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 No.7

From the /pol/ thread:

The problem is that we will always be reacting, and never forming the base reality. For any of this to work, we'd need to completely IGNORE the mainstream. Provide an alternate version of events whilst not screaming, "LOOK GUYS THIS IS AN ALTERNATE VERSION OF EVENTS".

Setting forth the notion that something is alternate only enforces the notion that what it's alternate from is legitimate.

 No.8

>>7
Setting forth the notion that something is alternate only enforces the notion that what it's alternate from is legitimate.

Thank that is precisely what I was trying to say.

 No.10

>>8
So, of course, this board will get off to a slow start (which is fine as I'm sure it's not supposed to be a "happening" board anyway). I'll work out some content, though.

 No.12

I've always wanted to be there for the foundation of an ideology.

 No.14

>>10
Here are some Themes I was considering for threads:
>Ebola-chan
How was it created?
Why did it become so popular here?
How did it change from it's original form, if it changed at all?
What effects has it had on the internet and on the real world?
What can we predict about it?

>Detection
Is there a favorite type of media for coercion and ideological propaganda?
What are the most common agendas pushed by the coercive apparatus?
Can we create a checklist to detect coercive attempts?

How does boredom and routine affect the mind in it's vulnerability to coercion?

Are some people naturally predisposed to be coerced?

What causes a raid? What do they achieve? What do they hope to achieve?

 No.15

Obviously we should be focused on media, tone, acceptable and easily communicable speech and our own form of symbology.

Look at the propaganda machine in place now Globally. This is Goebbels wet dream.

The question is, what can we do?

 No.18

Some stuff I think we should familiarize ourselves with:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology_and_Ideological_State_Apparatuses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_materialism

History is happening to us.
/pol/ ignores Marxist theory because it's Marxist. However, there are some Marxist concepts that it is absolutely imperative for us to understand now that the game has changed.
I'm currently going to a liberal university, going for a dual major in philosophy and history. I want to offer my two cents, as someone who cares deeply about both of those subjects and has had his nose buried in philosophy books for the past two months.

/pol/ should know about Hegel. His theories about history, his theories about logic, his theories about nature, his theories about religion-everything. Hegel, whenever his ideas pop up in history, is powerful. Marxism is based off of (bastardized) Hegelian logic, and every Marxist revolutionary since Lenin has done all he could to disqualify Hegel and prop up Marx. If /pol/ comes to understand and use the Dialectic, even if just to get a better understanding of the situation as it is, /pol/ will have knowledge of a powerful force that has been neglected for far too long: the power of history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegelianism#Philosophy_of_history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectures_on_the_Philosophy_of_History#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master%E2%80%93slave_dialectic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic

 No.19

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>>18
nice links thanks man

 No.21

>>18
My theory about what is happening right now is that it is a war for the soul of the Internet. The Internet is the present, and the Internet is the future. Whoever controls the Internet controls everything–don't forget: the Internet of Things is going to come into existence soon, if it doesn't already exist in some form. It is impossible to overstate the importance the Internet plays in the world today.

The Internet was created by DARPA. We must not forget that: In the beginning, the American government wanted to have a computer network that could survive a nuclear war. The Internet was the fruit of that project. Its commercialization was inevitable from the beginning: what has DARPA made that Americans didn't learn to profit from? What we see today is simply the continuation of an ongoing historical process: the absorption of the Internet, and the ideas it allows to proliferate, into the ideological state apparatus that controls the thoughts of billions. None of us are immune from this apparatus, no matter what we may think, and claiming immunity does not make anyone immune.

What are we to the new lords of Halfchan? Nothing. We fled. We are not part of the structure they're trying to gain control of. Exit, not voice–that's the reactionary way and that's the way all of us have chosen. However, when 8chan becomes a 'content garden' (I just made up this phrase, by which I mean 'a place where memetic or viral content is produced in massive amounts') on the same scale that 4chan is currently at and has been arriving at for years, the process will repeat. The apparatus will move in and take control of the site. Hotwheels will probably do his best to stop it, he seems like a good guy, but the State is too powerful for one man to stop, no matter how #based that man may be.

 No.22

>>18
thank you very much for that.

Did I get the name thing right?

 No.23

>>21
Who is fighting this war? Until now, it was one-sided: those of us who suspected something was afoot didn't believe our own suspicions. We were skeptical of anyone who derided feminism as complete bullshit because, of course, we are red-pilled, and as such we are obligated by our duty to ourselves to be open-minded. However, in recent days, it has become obvious that feminism-and social justice as a whole-is merely a front for something insidious. There is a force that wants to control the Internet. This force was the instigator. The 'Puppet Master' that people have been theorizing must exist. The series of events that led to the Diaspora was too perfect not to have been orchestrated from behind the scenes. The Puppet Master made the first move: the gorespam raid against Tumblr back in July was when this all began, and there is reason to believe that this was done by someone who wanted 4chan to fuck itself over–in the form of the multiple attempted suicides caused by the raid. The rest is history. Now, here we are, conspiracy theories are flying left and right across every board from here to Wizardchan, and we know nothing about what is going on.
Well, that isn't entirely true. We know one thing: we are a nation in exile. We do not know if we want our homeland back. We do not know if we who stole it from us. We know nothing for fact–and yet, we know that we must react.
The war is on now, and it is going to be long, and we may never know the enemy's true face. But that's never bothered us before.
Let's figure out what the fuck is happening and do something about it.

 No.24

>>22
Looks like you did.

 No.25

>>15
The board itself is a place for study and discussion. We learn to techniques of coercion so we can detect them and resist them. What one does with that knowledge is up to the individual. He may try to coerce others, or free others, or simply distance himself from society.

Tell me I got the fucking name thing right.

 No.27

>>24
I'm trying to get it to be red, like it's supposed to be.

 No.29

>>14
>Is there a favorite type of media for coercion and ideological propaganda?
I have proof that research is being done by Israeli academics into the political applications of memes.
http://www.amazon.com/Memes-Digital-Culture-Essential-Knowledge/dp/0262525437
>In December 2012, the exuberant video "Gangnam Style" became the first YouTube clip to be viewed more than one billion times. Thousands of its viewers responded by creating and posting their own variations of the video–"Mitt Romney Style," "NASA Johnson Style," "Egyptian Style," and many others. "Gangnam Style" (and its attendant parodies, imitations, and derivations) is one of the most famous examples of an Internet meme: a piece of digital content that spreads quickly around the web in various iterations and becomes a shared cultural experience. In this book, Limor Shifman investigates Internet memes and what they tell us about digital culture.

>Shifman discusses a series of well-known Internet memes – including "Leave Britney Alone," the pepper-spraying cop, LOLCats, Scumbag Steve, and Occupy Wall Street's "We Are the 99 Percent." She offers a novel definition of Internet memes: digital content units with common characteristics, created with awareness of each other, and circulated, imitated, and transformed via the Internet by many users. She differentiates memes from virals; analyzes what makes memes and virals successful; describes popular meme genres; discusses memes as new modes of political participation in democratic and nondemocratic regimes; and examines memes as agents of globalization.

>Memes, Shifman argues, encapsulate some of the most fundamental aspects of the Internet in general and of the participatory Web 2.0 culture in particular. Internet memes may be entertaining, but in this book Limor Shifman makes a compelling argument for taking them seriously.

I emphasize:
>discusses memes as new modes of political participation in democratic and nondemocratic regimes; and examines memes as agents of globalization.
Believe it or not, this is the frontier.

 No.30

>>21
>>23
>>29
Make NO mistake about it. The inherent idea of the internet being "not a serious place" is being used to their advantage.

Imagine how much is at stake. Nations, armies, economies…this is serious business.

Make no mistake.

 No.31

>>29
Thank you for that.

May I ask that you start a thread just for that article? I think it's worth it, and it was what I had in mind.

 No.33

>>31
Already done.

 No.88

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>>7
What does it mean, to create context?

 No.111

>>29
This, strangely enough, reminds me of Eclipse Phase. It's a tabletop RPG game that delves into transhumanist/futurist themes. Perhaps there are ideas there for us to adopt or analyse? The books are freely available on pirate bay (open license).

 No.114

>>88
I've never played MGS. What exactly is the context of this quote? (Kek)

 No.115

>>111
It's more like Neuromancer than anything.
What if an artificial intelligence is behind all this?

 No.135

>>115
You would then have to ask, who is the prime mover? Who created such an AI, and what was the original intent of the creator(s) for such a tool.

Speculations on AI could potentially slide discussion of more serious/ imminent threats, and since it is both unlikely, and mostly, inconsequential perhaps its best to keep human intelligence as the suspected source.

 No.152

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>>114
The main character, called Raiden, is frequently in radio contact with his CO, the man behind le spooky skeleton face in the pic. Late in the game it is revealed that the CO is not even a real person, just a conduit through which a shadowy group of omnipotent rulers called the Patriots issue orders.

 No.167

>>152
>the man behind le spooky skeleton face

That is an interesting choice of words, instead of a shorter or clearer description of the picture. Humor brings forth an emotional response, and with this a slight reduction in rationality, lowering the chances that what you said will be analyzed critically. The use of jargon is meant to show the listener that you are part of the same group, you are similar, you are trustworthy. This increases his acceptance to whatever you have to say.

I am not saying you did it intentionally, I am merely pointing out the effects of a particular form of communication. Do you think you could recognize these techniques being used on you?

 No.180

>>167
Chanese is a dialect that was probably influenced by the Puppet Master in more ways than we can ever know. At some point you have to stop questioning it.

If memespeak is the language of the enemy, that doesn't stop it from being our language.

 No.183

>>29

The thing about memes is, you can calculate and fine tune the initial germ of the idea, but the second it is set out for public consumption, it will take on an entirely new aspect. Like a virus mutating. The viewer will ascribe whatever they see fit to the meme. Given this, and the content creation and modification aspects of the current web population, the meme will eventually become entirely unrecognizable.

 No.240

>>29
>I emphasize:
>discusses memes as new modes of political participation in democratic and nondemocratic regimes; and examines memes as agents of globalization.
>Believe it or not, this is the frontier.

You know, I actually can believe it. There are people who have probably stumbled into /pol/ and gotten redpilled (even the phrase "redpill" is a meme) … all from seeing some funny picture somewhere involving an odd caricature of a certain hook-nosed fellow gleefully rubbing his hands together.

 No.242

>>240
I went on 4/pol/ for the first time in march-ish because i thought it was a news/politics type board and i wanted to know what was going on in ukraine and my horizons have since been opened

 No.310

>>29
>>240

Relevant: http://ohpi.org.au/the-antisemitic-meme-of-the-jew/

 No.325

>>18
I see the Hegelian dialectic as a crucially common technique.

The left boundary is set left of what you want, the right boundary is set right of what you want. Most people look left, then right, then place themselves in the center so as to be 'moderate' and 'reasonable'. The goal posts keep moving incrementally in the desired direction, but all the while people feel normal and secure being in the middle.

Problem > reaction > solution is another super common technique related to the 'dialectic'. This is ubiquitous in the major medias.

 No.327

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>>167
>Humor brings forth an emotional response, and with this a slight reduction in rationality
Humor brings laughter and fun. Laughter and fun bring relaxation. Relaxation brings cerebrality, rationality.

Serious topics are stressful. Too much tension is overwhelming, terrorizing, incapacitating. Humor defuses tension.

The joy of channers is amazing, I think it should be encouraged at all times. Joy facilitates action.

Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRSd4jz5Mhw

 No.614

>>152
Huh. When I read that game text before, I thought of it only in the context of ignorant propaganda, but reinterpret that ignorant propaganda as national ideologies, and then it takes what this lecturer said* about subversion only being possible when there's a communication channel open... I just don't know what to think about information warfare. I need something more objective. Surely there have been advances since Sun Tzu's The Art of War.
*: Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg
Someone posted a thread about a deleted /pol/ thread that included that video.

>>29
>someone attempts to gain academic credit for spending too much time on the internet
internet memes are still just memes.

>differentiates memes from virals
for people who don't know what viral marketing is? Memes are just ideas. Viral is stuff artificially implanted in an attempt to gain popularity for commercial use.

>>30
Hm. Maybe.
People think you can just find a new place to go when you don't like how one turns out, but then when it's almost all dominated by the state, there is nowhere else.

>>88
Is that like "the medium is the message" kinda thing? Man, I never did read up on that.

Oh, it says right at the end "That's what it means to create context." Read the paragraph before it.

I wish there were a video game or TV series that had all this important information in it. (MGS just isn't enough.) Reading it in dry, academic form is really dull, and I only really look at it when it seems interesting. I don't have a way to prioritize this stuff properly and then manipulate myself into enjoying it regardless of it's presentation.

 No.775

>>18
>/pol/ will have knowledge of a powerful force that has been neglected for far too long: the power of history.

The power of history is not untapped, it is historical revisionism and ignorance of basic history by the common man that allows the modern ideologies to flourish.

Eg: There has never been a history of misogyny. Men have always sought to protect and provide for women and children. If that's misogynistic, then so is any assistance given women. Women literally got away with murder (juries wouldn't convict and governors would pardon a woman). Woman's Rights initially sought accountability for women who could otherwise get away with anything if no women were on juries or in government. There has been a stigma that the man should be able to provide for his wife and children, so it was shameful for HIM or her father if she were to work -- not that women couldn't work, they often did.

There has been no systematic oppression of women in the west, but historical revisionism of feminism alleges just that so strongly it becomes the opinion of a people regardless of the facts.

This is just one example. Common core seeks to modify history itself as well. I could go on. Point being, "history" has not remained unweaponized. What you call the power of history, I call the power of fact.

 No.2495

>>21

essentially to survive as a nomadic group of brains and souls staving off the mental and social attacks of the mainstream, we may find ironic and helpful information studying the flight patterns of the jewish people throughout history.


 No.2496

>>30

the "not a serious place" idea they are floating reminds me of the zeitgeist around video games. the message is it's for babies but speaking in pure financial terms, it's (i believe) a more lucrative business than film.

makes sense to trivialize valuable spheres so as to ward off idiot competitors


 No.2497

>>167

this is the purpose of well executed self-deprecation humor. or really any charming reductionist humor. it has the lovely effect of not only addressing the concern the listener is probably dealing with consciously or subconsciously, not only disarming the concern, but in fact (when executed with an appropriate level of finesse) working in the favor of the speaker because we (as the unguarded listener) have enjoyed this display of self awareness and bow tying.


 No.2498

>>180

i think we are over-estimating the Puppet Master's ability to wholesale create and under-estimating the Pupper Master's ability to improv with severe cleverness and with essentially limitless resources.

it would be easier to mold an already organic chanese to become what you want than to create a language tolken style


 No.2709

>>180

>>183

Crazy thought, mostly for shits and giggles: what if the AI takeover already happened, and it acts through the veneer of a human "puppet master"? Most people only know of the redshields, etc through certain shadily aggregated information and second-hand research. And maybe the AI then produced highly complicated disinfo in the form of dissenting content and pushed it out to divert all potential threats into futile planning.

After all, if an AI had been created and were logical, limitless in resources, and quick with game theory, it would be the reasonable conclusion to game the system in an undetectable way.



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