/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

This so much. I regret being dirt-poor during the 80's and 90's as a kid and missing the whole proto-hacking thing.

I also regret never having teletext. PIXELS!

>>38309

BBSs are basically mailing lists "in da cloud" because without connectivity you can't read shit

Monospaced fonts make it superficially cool, but you know what else has monospaced fonts and is a BBS? http://8ch.net/cyber/

>>38540

I feel you, I wish I was born earlier though, the BBS scene had already peaked when I was born.

>>38568

Yeah, but Gopher is only one-way, right?

>>38309

FUCK YES.

Okay I put one up.

When it goes live it will be:

cyberbbs.tk

It used to be the /tech/ bbs but the PC died. I put it back up on a old dell latitude. (it will be slow, but I ordered part so bare with me)

Could someone make a new ansi art intro?

>>38609

The BBS ill be accessible by

telnet cyberbbs.tk 5048

I just have to deal with some networking issues first

>>38608

>Yeah, but Gopher is only one-way, right?

Yea maybe I should have been more clear. Gopher is another tech like BBS's that work on low bandwidth text only platforms.

The 1st time I used Gopher, internet email, and telnet was all though a local BBS.

>>38609

>>38610

Will you have any door games on your board?

>>38611

It is up

telnet cyberbbs.tk

And I just migrated to a computer running a AMD FX-8350 and 16 gigs of ram. So all I need to do it find out how to set them up.

Now I am going to drink some surge and work on that.

Could someone on this board make a good ansi art opening. The old one anounces itself as being /tech/'s

telnet cyberbbs.tk 5048

actually

>>38612

> So all I need to do it find out how to set them up.

OK requesting Planets TEOS.

Falcons Eye, LORD, Trade Wars 2002, BRE where other popular ones.

>>38615

Okay. Hey, join the chat by going to the main menu and typing /n

Running DOS doors on linux

http://wiki.synchro.net/howto:dosemu

Bretty schway >>38613

Apparently, both Telnet and SSH would be problematic for accessing BBSs through high-latency networks like over I2P and through meshnets, because the client queries the server for a response after every single character you type, so your typing would be fucked up if the latency is high. A protocol that would send all that text in a single chunk would be needed. Is there any protocol that fits that bill, or would a custom one for this need to be made?

>>38613

>SYSops Zapod and Dev-null.

Fuck, it feels like the 80s/90s. Well, at least how I think it was judging from what I've read on textfiles.com. Feels good man.

>>38632

I have been trying to get a BBS to run over telnet for quite a long time but end up with the problem described.

Also when you telnet it tries to connect to the first hop point aka some random persons node.

Tor can handle it okay but is not as good as i2p.

any ideas as to why ascii/ansi over linux telnet looks like shit? i definitely have the extended charset (i have 3 fall back fonts and support the full utf-8 charset)

any ideas?

>>38623

Problem is, is that is synchronet and I run mystic.

Luckily I have made some head way and should have the games up by the end of the week.

>>38654

That's likely because of the BBS-software. Most BBS-software still doesn't support UTF-8 since they were mainly developed in the 90s, the only one I know of that does that as of now is x/84 that is completely developed in the 10s, I know SynchroNet is gonna get support for it though.

I connect to Amiga BBSes (with Swedish characters) by adding "luit -encoding ISO-8859-1" before the telnet command, experiment with that. I think most English-language BBSes use CP437 or something.

>>38704

I love your computer there, saw it over on /tech/.

And Thanks for the picture of my BBS on a retro computer.

>>38309

>You see, this method of communication would work great on low-bandwidth networks, like meshnets.

Did some thinking about/working with mesh-nets when I was in school/"prison" job corps shazbot here due to how locked down internet-capable computers were there.

HTTP suffices. Even with ad-hoc networks on PCs distributing large files in addition to the message services.

Thing about low-bandwidth meshnets: you're not servicing a large audience like on the "real" internet. Even with "high adoption" among your peers, out of 100 residents in a flat block, you're still going to have <10 concurrent users at any given time on a meshnet, especially if you don't have some god tier content.

If you ever do get to the point that you're stressed on bandwidth, drop images from your page design, keep your CSS lightweight, and don't make asynchronous/automatic calls to the server.

>>38711

But why keep all the bells and whistles of HTML when you can run simple text?

Having issues connecting. Is it still up?

>>38798

I fucked up by trying to integrate a IRC into it and fucked the network connection, I was sshing and and wont get back to it until the 3rd. But it will go back up on the 3rd

>>38799

Thanks. Will check back in then.

Is it up yet?

>>38876

Yes

Also hosting an irc on the same domain.

>>38736

Because if you're not making excessively complex page designs (e.g. complicated web 2.0 bullshit or AJAX type shit), the usability benefits of HTML are far greater than any benefits gained by using raw text.

Unless you're making crazy ass pages with 10 tons of scripting and CSS, it's really not too much more complex than raw text.

>>38898

Don't you need AJAX if you're making a message board or something?

>>38903

no. You can do a chan/text-BBS in pure PHP with no asynchronous server calls, client side scripting, or anything else of that nature. See all of the chans on Tor, where they're paranoid about client side scripts.

The server CPU load would be slightly higher than with a pure static HTML service, but the bandwidth difference would be negligible.

You've gotta consider what's actually going "down the tubes" with each request to the server.

Static page: basically text + formatting that was written by a human hand.

PHP page: text + formatting that's been generated by a program on the server.

AJAX: page is constantly retrieving new data from the site asynchronously. Think: social media pages that have constantly updating feed/status bars set in iframes on the page.

The biggest things that, IMO, will bulk out a page in terms of bandwidth-to-data (aside from asynchronous/automatic data retrieval) are

>images

>large CSS files.

>external JavaScript/client side scripts

Message boards don't need any of this, as all of their work is basically presenting the current status of an SQL table in a readable format, where all formatting is done server side.

View this page's source. Minus the CSS, Client side scripting and images, that's all that is really needed to present an imageboard…a good 45k document. Not really that much per request, especially on a true local meshnet where everyone is operating at the maximum theoretical speed of wifi.

>>38947

>Not really that much per request, especially on a true local meshnet where everyone is operating at the maximum theoretical speed of wifi.

Really? I've heard that even local meshnets would be pretty slow due to the nodes or something.

>>38990

Not an expert, but…

The major slowdown would be finding the device that actually has the data, and it's not like we don't have that issue with the internet right now. You'd just have next-to-no latency in a local meshnet, so it'd be faster than the web (assuming both technologies use the same methods to find the device that actually has the file on it).

>>38990

depends on the topology of the meshnet.

what I'm most familiar with basically is a glorified LAN with data services.

if you're talking about some crazy p2p topology (ala freenet or whatever), then fuck all if I know.

>try to connect

>get runtime error

$080491C0
  $080491C0
  $08048865
  $080480D3

Any idea what this means, Zapod?

>>39082

It is up now.

But I have no idea what that was from

>>38613

no route to host, I guess this is dead… is it?

>>38309

>meshnets

>low-bandwidth

kkkkkek. My local meshnet has a peak throughput of 10gbs. The setup consists of old and used access points and antennas. All-in-all we spent like 200$.

The only thing meshnets really need is B.A.T.M.A.N. to be released in a stable version. Then people can finally go full bladerunner on openwrt hardware.

>>39366

*by stable I mean the full evolved protocol suite (v4-5), not the 2013-released candidate.

>>39366

>>39367

Tell me more anon. Is this by yourself or with buddies? Is it long distance?

>>39366

Wouldn't it get pretty slow over long distances though?

>>39363

getting the same issue, probably cause newfag.

>>39379

>>39374

me and some students who live near our campus set it up. Main node is an AP on top of a university building (without their knowledge) and others on top of our individual dorms (max distance 1,7 Miles).

>>39387

Thats pretty dang cool. Would this be possible with off the shelf routers or are they too short ranged?

>>39366

Advice on getting started with meshnets, chummer?

>>38632

>>38644

Can we talk more about this?

I love starting new programming projects and I've been bored out of my mind lately, while also depressed with the current state of internet communities.

I could devote a huge amount of time to working on something like this.

Why not make some kind of hybrid server that can act like normal webservers without maintaining a connection and only delivering content when a request is received, but also allowing the possibility of maintaining an active connection if that feature is needed?

I made something kinda silly

http://a-tdb.rhcloud.com

Maybe you guys will think it's lame or something, I don't know.

It's a textboard that serves in plain text formatted for terminals.

For example you can view it in color with something like

curl a-tdb.rhcloud.com

There's no built in post form, so you have to hack up your own way to make replies, such as visiting the site in a browser, injecting a post form into the page and using it, or using terminal tools like netcat.

But if you manage to send a POST request with "thread" and "comment" values it'll record it. (thread=new to start a new thread or thread=# to post in an existing one. comment=your comment. Other optional values are title and name.)

>>39513

Sounds extra schway, actually. Having to DIY a post system sounds fuarrking awesome..

Fuck yeah, posting script works. It's really simple, but it works. Might implement some kind of signature option or something, I dunno.

>>39518

Shit, I forgot to post the actual script.

#!/bin/bash
if [ -z $1 ]; then
        curl a-tdb.rhcloud.com
else
        case $1 in
        post)
                curl -d "thread=$2&comment=$3" a-tdb.rhcloud.com
                ;;
        new)
                curl -d "thread=new&comment=$2" a-tdb.rhcloud.com
                ;;
        *)
                echo "What? Use post [threadnum] [comment] to reply or new         [comment] to make a new thread."
                ;;
        esac
fi

>>39519

Protip: Add -s to that first curl if you're gonna run this through a pipe, i.e., script.sh | head -n 15.

I now get the first few lines of the board as a MOTD when I pop open a term.

Kickass.

>>39517

>>39518

Nice I'm glad to see you guys think it's interesting.

I'm no professional programmer or anything so I'm sure it has a bunch of bugs and stuff. But I can post the code somewhere if anyone cares.

>>39520

That's pretty neat. It could get quite large though. I should probably make it so there's more than 1 page.

>>39520

>>39522

Oh it gets the first few lines, I don't know why I didn't read that right.

>>38613

I'd love to participate in this. Unfortunately, I keep getting a connection error: cannot open connection to host.

Is it still alive?

>>39527

oh that domain got phased out when I originally lost all the user data.

I have a Tor BBS and a clearnet BBS.

It is now base install but this coming weekend I will devote a lot of time to get it back up and running.

clearnet:

 telnet slashte.ch 5048 

Tor:

 torsocks telnet nodts3ec65aqus6k.onion 5048 

Then type multipointvc to get in.

I would suggest using netrunner BBS software, as it is the best out and can upload and download files.

http://mysticbbs.com/downloads.html

>>39533

I've opted to use Mystic BBS software since the netrunner software tripped an AV on virus total. I'm sure it's nothing, but I don't want to take any chances.

I'm currently exploring slashte.ch. I'm a noob at using telnet clients and BBSs, so I'm taking this kinda slow.

>>39533

Glad that folks like you are keeping the BBS-spirit alive. I'm giving your clearnet BBS a shout-out on my blog.

>>39533

Cool man thanks

>>39533

:( aww i liked the cyberbbs.tk name