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>What is cyberpunk?

Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a future setting, noted for its focus on "high tech and low life". It features advanced science, such as information technology and cybernetics, coupled with a degree of breakdown or radical change in the social order. - wikipedia

>What is /cyber/?

/cyber/ is a board on 8chan devoted to the Cyberpunk genre, setting, and ethos.

>I want to post "x". Is "x" cyberpunk?

Lurk for a bit and ask yourself if you think users here would like it.

>What are the specifications for banners and flags?

banners should be 300x100 png or gif. file limit must not exceed 750kb

flags must be 20x11 png. Flags should be clean and legible on a dark background.

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I never use my smartphone's features and I don't like the idea of having accounts and spyware in my phones software (yes i know about custom roms, my phone currently runs cyanogen, and if i could it would run replicant). So what are some cool old (or maybe new) phones that can be used on today's networks for about $50?
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I'd been using a Palm Treo 650 for years now, until a couple of weeks ago when AT&T decided to finally kill off 2G in my area.



The iPhone 4S not very /cyber/, I know is the first and only smartphone I have owned. Its gotten pretty dinged up over the years, but I plan on using it until such time as it is no longer capable of sending and receiving texts and instant messages. After >>45406 happens to 3G, I think I'll be done with cell phones for good.


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honestly it's the only good iphone. it's the ideal shape and size in my opinion and the thing looks the monolith from 2001: a space odyssey



Hopefully it won't happen to 3G for a long, long time. You'll probably be able to find parts for your 4S for a decade or so too, I imagine.

I'm still looking for a 3G compatible phone I like, though.


Compile your AOSP ROM and kill camera and microphone drivers. no sim card and code your own messaging app

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if you encrypt your email,

what are you afraid of?


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I don't know why, I just think you're wrong for some reason.



This user gets it.

Inventing your own encryption algorithms is not as easy as OP's shazbot brain seems to think.

It involves lots of statistics and requires you to prove the algorithm's security mathematically.

"Nobody has broken it so far, so it must be secure" won't cut it. OP just wants a group of people who do work for him so he can feel like a cool 1337 h4X0r.

Most codemonkeys are closer to a hacker than you are.



Not sure if you are Saying I understand or don't but:

You largely do not design cryptography if you want security because cryptography is hard, and pretty much only huge institutions like universities and governments retain sufficient cryptography expertise to design cryptosystems.

Generally, most people use "Nobody has broken it so far" cryptography.

There are not many "perfectly / information-theoretically secure " crypto systems out there, and the most that are out there are inconvenient. (Cf. One time Pad - key distribution problems).

Instead most people use cryptosystems based upon computational infeasability of breaking the system. For instance, RSA is based upon the difficulty of factorizing integers. No one can easily factorize (54= 3^3 * 2) large intergers with few factors (say two large prime factors only). There is an algorithm for it that will run on a quantum computer (Shors Algorthim) that is fast, but qauntum computers at sufficient scale are not widely available if at all available. So, as long as factorizing integers remains hard, it is believed that RSA is useful "No one has broken it yet.. " . It could turn out that a government agency has figured out how to easily factorize integers on a classical or has developed large enough quantum computers to do so.

The Russians have developed their own cryptosystems and retain the expertise to do so. I don't know anything about them, but I would bet they are based upon similiar problems (Discrete-Log, Integer factorization) , etc.

Sometimes we want crypto-primatives like PRNG's to have nice statistical properties, but really modern cryptography is based on "No one has broken it so far,… " security.

Implementing your own crypto is stupid. Post Snowden some jihadist groups tried, and ending up producing trivially broken crypto.

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Was it not clear that I was opposed to the idea of implementing your own cryptography?

You literally elaborated on what I said. Don't get me wrong, not ungrateful, but I feel you misunderstood my position.

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Hey /cyber/, I used to go on here a lot back in 2014-2016, and I met a couple people from that zeemaps post a long time ago and we'd really like to interact with some people from here, especially the OGs. Play some games, talk about cyber shit, do some dev projects if anyone's apt with that, etc.

I know Discord isn't a popular medium here but all my old Tox friends haven't been on in years.


Here it is, let's relive some old memories and do some fun cyber shit together.

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we might post more invites in the future, stay tuned




its aesthetic, discord is fucking stupid



there's a million different clients, which one is ugly?



IRC looks the way you make it look; if your clients ugly it's because you're dumb and your taste is shit



>If a singular message doesn't take at least 100x600 pixels of screen space its trash and looks ugly

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We all know we're high tech here… but how low life are you, cyberpunks? Share some of your best motherfuckery and tales of the best worst shit you've done.
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the ingredients are rust and aluminum.



you need something hot to start/keep the reaction going. Those (now) cheap survival fire-starters were basically magnesium blocks. Having that finely mixed, completes the project.

Protip, break down those cheapo sparklers and mix that instead. Use one as fuse.




Meanwhile back at his little safe space in /leftypol/ you get derezzed for disagreeing. These faggots really are so stupid. I'm just glad their pathetic little "hey guys lets subvert /cyber/ and get them on board with communism!" attempt failed like everything they do.


Back in high school (2005-6ish) I stolen a 20GB IDE HDD from a school computer. Also Use to jack the RAM (256MB PC133 RAM) from the public library. Easy to do because the systems were a Gateway All-In-One that had the RAM behind little doors with a tab to open. I replaced the sticks I took with a stick of 128MB ram. Most of the systems had 2x 256MB sticks. Would also sell them a made about $20-30 per stick.


I de-googled my smartphone

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Not sure how many /cyber/ users are into Overwatch, but the game is about to get a cyberpunk character very soon. Thought it was quite interesting.

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Isn't that just purple Laura?



Cyberpunk IS over the top. Don't let Deus Ex: HR and The Matrix trick you.


Update: Sombra is now a player character and yes, she's related to hacking.

Its cool as hell, despite in-thread posts.


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>Overwatch ads on /cyber/

What did we do wrong?



please leave

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So much cyberpunk stuff seems to take place in cities. How'd things be going in rural areas?

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Gibson wrote a few chapters in Count Zero, Virtual Light and most of his last book The Peripheral in rural areas.

It's fun for me, who grew up in a trailer, looking at his take on hicks in the high-tech future.

In Count Zero one of the characters has a super computer in his barn.



Ah I remember that section of CZ. He had quite a lot more than a super computer around his place


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id gibz habbening


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Lol, photos from my Russia on 8ch.


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Post 'em, fuckos.

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It is calcurse



>3 years ago

I think it might be a bit late, bud.


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I can't come up with a decent color scheme to save my life


Digging this



but I appreciate it



I like the scheme. It's easy on the eyes, yet schway.

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What will you do when we can finally recreate life in the cyberspace lads?

https://systemspace. link/

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>Host some servers with uploaded consciousnesses on them

>get to stay alive because after uploading as those consciousnesses are NEETs and can't maintain themselves

Open the door

Get on the floor

Everybody I'm a megacorp


It turns out that the creator was a schizophrenic kid who has now just resorted to just scamming members out of money. Very few people are even in to it, most members got disillusioned.


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Me too.



Reminds me of this music video and its story.


If there's a discord chat for this, the entire thing is shit.

fuck that noise.

just a bunch of casual morons.



Can you stop shouting random phrases? You

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This board is mostly bickering about what or isn't cyber and what to post or what not to post

Shut the fuck up lets talk about some cyber feels.

>sitting on a rooftop above a crowded city late at night watching millions of lives unfold in miniature beneath you

>exchanging less-than-legal information with anonymous citizens on a darknet forum

>hacking a personal account/network and getting a distant view of a stranger

>navigating a crowd of hundreds of people, and yet feeling alone in their midsts

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>tfw no Apple II

>tfw no 300b modem for calling BBS

>tfw no downloading pirated software from file repos

>tfw no sysop yelling at you for leeching

We missed a bunch, don't try to deny it.



>but don't laptop fans spin at hundreds

This is slow.

>or thousands of rpm?

This is not, you're right, English /lit/ (or /lit/ in general) is too hard for me. I should have used a better word to describe the slight, benign and comfy fan noise of the laptop, you know, when you were only browsing HTML pages and the CPU just stays cool.


>And don't feel bad, you didn't miss out. You're still experiencing it right now.



thx, users.



>tfw no Apple II, no 300b modem for calling BBS, no downloading pirated software from file repos, tfw no sysop yelling at you for leeching

>We missed a bunch, don't try to deny it.

tfw you jack yourself into olduse.net, a server for live replaying the entire Usenet, time-shifted by 30 years. A portal, a wormhole to the past. Today is May 18, 1988. Great Naming was just completed one year ago, a new hierarchy known as alt.* arrived 7 months earlier.

You see people are talking just like us, but the quality of each post is comparable to a nowadays project mailing list. You see some memes in your 80x24 text console, and you find they are in fact an integral part of the hacker folklore. You don't see even a single shitpost. You see hackers with big names, were still playing around in their youths. Larry Wall, John Gilmore, except Linus Torvalds who hasn't yet to come… Richard Stallman's fine-tuning words for the GNU Manifesto You see the parties, clubs of the SF-fans, with their endless fan works of Star Trek. You see the first generation of otakus who are not weaboos, making anime fansubs with a VCR and an Amiga 500, running on Motorola 68k @ 7.16 MHz. You see pages of impassioned discussion in alt.cyberpunk. You see a new version of NetHack released out. The calling-for-mod and the flamewars.

This is the digital equivalent of sondering, except you can read their inside thoughts, recorded without a single missing NNTP-Posting-Host. Except the people and the age which has long gone. Finally you ended up with the same feeling in >>50442. It's only you, a /cyber/ user who is spending the whole night reading it, but for everyone else, who would remember this world on your screen, or even realize such a world ever existed in the first place? This place is irrelevant, ephemeral, and has already forgotten, died and buried…

Check it out! Read the Blog, the FAQ, then try the interactive console on the homepage, net.hackers. If you feel you're getting into it, finPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



looks interdasting got any more context?



IIRC I was trying to burn some audio CDs using one of the standard Linux tools.

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Hello /cyber/, I've been kind of lurking this board on and off for the past few months and I have to admit I quite like the aesthetic that Cyberpunk brings. Admittedly I am likely much younger than most of you, so the only real taste I've had of Cyberpunk has been a Shadowrun novel, "Ghost In The Shell", "Deus Ex", "Blade Runner", and ultimately what I've seen of this board. I'm looking to sort of change my life to model around this sort of aesthetic because it really grabs my attention, so I present the question that has probably been asked quite a bit of this board: where would I start if I want to be Cyberpunk? This is a multi-faceted question and doesn't necessarily apply only to just appearance, so here are some general topics I'm starting to look into:

> OS

> Programming Languages

> Appearance

> Novels

I'd include diet, but beans and rice have the diet portion covered (ayy broke as fuck), plus I'm trying to explore some venues for making more money.

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This is why Cyberpunk is sci-fi and not a subculture. No one can take this shit seriously, except desperate social retards.



Not to contribute to the autistic obsession over microdetails, and general toxic dunning-kruger expert problem here but address space randomization has absolutely nothing to do with reproducible builds.

Adresss space randomization is about where segments are loaded into memory. Position Independant code can be loaded to any address and still function. Address Space Randomization doesn't prevent an inject, but makes an exploit much harder.

ASLR has nothing to do with reproducible builds. Reproducible builds are about verifying a binary corresponds to source code. If ASLR was based upon recompiling the binary before binary before each run, and ending up with a diffrent binary things like signature verification/ OS integrity/ AV would be impossible.

Reproducible builds are important, and absolutely not depreciated for ASLR. Its not even related.



This is unrelated, but do you think it'd be possible to make a sort of DNS-like system for checking file hashes? The same way you can put in human readable addresses and get IPs back, could you put in an address like Download.com/winzipInstaller.exe and receive a hash back to compare against what you downloaded? I'm always skeptical of download sites, but also hobbiest sites seem insecure as well. Or if the ISP decides to reroute all requests for tor.org/download/tor.exe to fbi.gov/tracking/tor.exe

I know this is possible by hand if the site publishes the hash and you can calculate it yourself with something like 7zip. But would there be an automated way to integrate it with the browser? Such that every time an author puts up a new build, the new hash would propagate out to the hash servers?



>animal farm

That's highschool entry



>DNS-like system for checking file hashes?

Technically DNS or DNS like in that it returns a number from a human readable string?

Techinical DNS could happen through txt records but would be a huge PITA.

nslookup WINZIP1-15.exe.winzip.com.hashserver.org

Why do this? You would have a more usuable product serving file hashes over HTTP with a restapi

GET http://hashserver.org/winzip.com/winzip1-15.exe could return text of an Hash only.

Part of the problem is associating files with domains isn't nessasirily useful. For example winzip might be mirror everywhere, whats unique is the executable not the name, or location. There is also a problem with trust. I could setup my own hash server, but what business do you have trusting me to tell you what executables are safe to run (Do you trust winzip? I don't). Computer users largely are not demanding this, and developers already publish hashes and GPG keys which is supposed to mitigate the MITM risk, but GPG isn't widely used. VirusTotal provides hashes and AV Scans, but why trust VirusTotal or AV Vendors?

Perhaps a federated network of GPG signed hashes would be nice. Something like I certify that I have validated the signatures of Winzip1-15.exe and its safe to use. So you could effectively ask your friends which products they use/ trust/ have validated signatures from the developers on. But, given that GPG hasn't taken off, I am skeptical of a solution like this being widely used.

Besides, most people intrested in checking hash are probably Linux Users (windows doens't even have a built in tool to do so), and their distribution effectively does that for them.

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Sup chummers.

So,I need somewhere to store some of my files (about 100GB), and I do not want to pay for any cloud storage services .(I'm almost living below the poverty line, so nothing that involves brouzouf will help me.)

Does anyone know if I can create my own cloud storage?

Also, alternative storage means General.

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lookup pogoplug. by cloud I assume you mean accessible outside your lan and not scalable. pogoplug, raspberrypi-like, or wrt can make your usb storage a NAS-like device.


Fuck cloud storage. Get a dedicated keyring with some USB sticks and have them auto sync files by category.

Cloud storage can't be done in a remotely secure way.



>Cloud storage can't be done in a remotely secure way.

Unsubstantiated non-sense based upon a misunderstanding of secure. People seem to think that "security" is exclusively confidentiality, and then turn that into a schway fantasy. You cannot have a meaningful conversation about security without discussing a threat model and assets.

Asking is cloud storage "secure" is non-sense. Asking is cloud storage a "secure" option for assets that I must protect confidentiality on, given that my threat model includes the government as an actor, is a much more meaningful question. There is a risk , government gains access to cloud storage by i) Technical Measures ; ii) Social / Political Measures and security posture can be ajusted depending on your tolerance and analysis.

For example, If my threat model includes the US Gov, but not the Russian Government, I could avoid a possibly mitigate risk by choosing an NON-US cloud storage provider like yandex. I could choose to accept the risk that the US may use technical measures to gain access to yandex, or etc. Alternatively, I could employ techincal security measures through policy like "All data stored in Yandex Account must be encrypted with … ".

For someone who is not a larping hacker with an actual threat model cloud storage might be more secure than USB local storage.




Storing online gives away control over your data.

Yeah, they can have a policy, but ultimately, whatever cloud service you put your trust in has the drive your data is stored on.

Of course, a threat model is necessary in case you want to take certain risks to buy advantages. And no, I'm not a larping hacker. I know of the advantages of cloud storage and while designing threat models is not in my field, reading and understanding them definitely is.

If your data is highly confidential (or you're paranoid enough to think so), having absolute control over the storage device is a big plus, but can get expensive if you want data to be safe as well. Cloud services are much cheaper than having your own location.

There you go. Suppose I did sound like a poser, sorry for the confusion.


I think most posts missed the point. A small number of cyberpunks may able to live off-to-grid independently in the digital world, but for most others is to smartly utilize the technology from the big corporations for their own advantage, or even against them. In Sci-Fi works, most cowboys steal the electricity from the Nuclear Plant, browse the corporation's commercial network to search intelligence, and rooting and modifying a commodity computer to gain back the control, rather than running their own generator, meshing their own network or designing their own computer. And ofc, sometimes they do. Utilization/exploitation and construction are just two means to achieve the goal of freedom, and either one can be used when it's the best choice.

It means for ordinary storage, big cloud + your own encryption is more than enough. Even if the NSA designed a quantum computer, it's still as easy as generating a 256-bit key locally and writing it down on a piece of paper. It guarantees the confidentially of your data. This is the beauty of utilization, small work for you, big work for them.

$ openssl rand -hex 32 
$ gpg --cipher-algo AES256 --symmetric file.tar.xz

When dealing with censorship, etc, the first paragraph applies.

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Hey chummers, i'd like to share some thoughts on cyberpunk, and you might find it useful(probably not, though.

I think cyberpunk needs to be defined in at least some consensual form, so here's that.

I dont't think that cyberpunk is about aesthetic, as there are certain styles that already represent it, even though some syberpunk fiction might be extremely different from another, atleast visually, yet still remain cuberpunk.Therefore, cuberpunk must be some kind of view of life, world and this other stuff, which is usually called philosophy.So, what then forms cyberpunk views? Well, the word "cyberpunk" consists of words "cyber" and "punk"(who'd have thought).

I'll try to explain these 2 views that form cyberpunk, starting with "punk" part. Punks represent the movement of independence, nonconformism, and other stuff i may not fully understand, as the only punk things i've seen were some drunk guys sleeping after drinking alcohol, in a very extensive amount. I therefore would disagree with the punkish point of demonstrating nonconformism, challenging "society", and all this actions, as dependent on other people and as a consequence of the movement becoming subculture the same way, as, for example, the "programming" or "IT" sphere of interest created h@xx0rs. Instead, i'd define "punk" part as nonacceptance of authority, submission and forceful coercion, there is another reason destructive provocation is not very suitable, and i'll explain later.

So, now here is the "cyber" part. I think cyber-ish idea does not stop on some certain technological level, and is extensive to any technology and knowledge, and i then define cyber as using extensive knowledge of the world to your advantage, and, therefore, while being able to mill yourself a fullmetal butt plug on a lathe may not sound very cyberpunk, to the extent of our technological developement of today, it counts. Cyber also does not end on the tech only, as being able to cure yourself, blend in the crowd, survive in the woods, or get a better job still comes under the "knowledge of the world". So, after all this wall of text, what is cyberpunk? It is an idea of independence, self sufficience, unwillingness to conform, of strong self, and action towards your goals and principles. As it is, you can even be a head of a megacorporation(imagine a coder working for google), Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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This is why there can't be a 'Cyberpunk Subculture'. It's too intermixed with the fiction.

You can't post pics of cartoon characters with make believe computers doing make believe things, then say 'Our world is just like that!', and then dress up like that.

It's retarded.

Even if you're right, you're still just playing dress up.

Of course every time someone gets arrested it's the worlds fattest incel in a stained t-shirt, but no one wants to be that fucking guy, so we go back to the imaginary pictures.

Give up on dressing Cyber. The well is poisoned. Go find something else to do.



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I think the fictional visuals are the problem. They're the coolest/most inspirational part, but they make us hold cyber things to an unrealistic standard. Or, they teach us that things aren't cyber unless they LOOK cyber. But like >>50442 shows, we're already living in that kind of world, but we dismiss it because the set dressing isn't there.

Personally I really admire cybergoths for trying to create a space where the physical reality lives up to the conceptual reality we're already in (TOR, cryptocurrency, data brokers). Its sad that we can't feel cyber unless we look around and SEE cyber, while at the same time, our physical reality can't look cyber because unless some critical threshold is met (think club scenes in any hollywood movie) or it'll feel out of place.



So much this.

People wait for everyone to be part of the network when most already are. What difference does it make whether it's a handheld phone or a neuro-interface?

People wait for the corporations to take control of the governments, but they already have most of the control. Not via direct governing, but via lobbying. Basically, legal bribing.

Wageslaves, underworld, rebels, corruption, controlled networks, big brother. We got all that, but edgy posers fail to see it unless it's highlighted by neon lights.

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Is it true that the american left is not against Facebook? As a European communist I can't understand why the fuck you only have a liberal left willing to take corporations' cocks, we just have them in a so little number that they matter nothing. What are your thoughts about the politics of censorship

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>but it's ultimately up to the end-user (or consumer) to collectively demand change or just dealwithit.jpg

Oh fuck off. Most consumers are dumb fucks, and their dumbfuckery drags the rest down.



>Capitalism is not the same than

It is more an option to be your own state, not being under ones' jurisdiction from beginning.

>super capitalistic rich state

You are using your own definitions in your own language, of course it would not fit your agenda.

I do not really see how humongous amount of regulation and coercion to force people to do stuff is capitalism unless capitalism means laws of economics, but then these rules would apply anywhere, so i'm missing the point. Also, USSR is also considered "state capitalist" as a little lefty told me.



I've recently had a big epiphany about talking politics online, so this will probably be my last reply don't take it personally.

>Thats called a startup, just find someone who wants to join

I'm not very knowledgeable about this, but isn't the point of a start up to get bought out by a big company? Also startups have to make a profit so you're kind of trapped in pandering to markets. I think a worker co-op would be closer to what I want, maybe mixed with straight up commune.

>Would you be okay with not eating or buying anything too?

This is the problem living under capitalism, the choice is "work or starve" which is not really a choice at all. I would like there to be other options. Also I don't have anything against labor, I work hard on stuff at home all the time that earns me no brouzouf (art, growing food, writing for pleasure etc). Work is forced labor. Being forced to do anything means it's against my self interest or, dare I say it, freedom.

>It is that, what you're talking about is more like an offshot

Now we're just arguing definitions rather than the concepts behind them. This is difficult to avoid in any argument.

>Which would lose against anyone with a hierarchical organization, see the french revolution

We've come a long way since then in terms of technology and guerrilla/urban/asymmetric warfare. Still I don't think "the revolution" is coming around the corner, but I do think it's practical to implement anarchies in small local scales at first. Especially with the coming global environmental change within the next 100 years things are going to get a lot harder for governments and a lot more chances for anarchies to spring up will present themselves.(especially in africa where there's already anti-state, anti-money, pseudo-anarchist though within a lot of traditional tribal structures, mixed with increasing resource scarcity and environmental collapse somethings got to happen. It's really hard to maintain state control when everything is a fucking dessert, no one's gonna sit back and watch you eat while they're starving) [yes I've bPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>with straight up commune

Nothing stops you, actually, there is homesteading and stuff. Except that communes aren't effective and work without failing on a very small scale.

>the choice is "work or starve" which is not really a choice at all

Homestead, move out, work anywhere different, go to prison(free food, huh), etc. Are these not options for you?

>Work is forced labor. Being forced to do anything means it's against my self interest or, dare I say it, freedom.

<How can i be free in a world where survival requires a certain amount of labor without forcing other people to do it for me?

>Still I don't think "the revolution" is coming around the corner, but I do think it's practical to implement anarchies in small local scales at first.

Local anarchies exist everywhere the force and coercion are not involved, actually. Every time you go out with friends it works the same way as in "anarchy". It is not a leftist, or collectivist concept, as they picture it as a virtue and enforce it the same way different socialists enforce "kindness", "belief in god" or any other idea that "seems good". The revolution can only happen if there is support of people towards it, which is very unlikely, at least in the first world.

>anti-state, anti-money, pseudo-anarchist

They do not have any progress to benefit with using money, they are gatherers and cannot read. You can call ants the same this way. By the time they need a new supply of AKs brouzouf become necessary, and are used. There are also theocratic islamist states, but it is just as anti-money as christians were when they were in power. Same "greed is evil" argument and strong regulatory polices. You tell me how good they did.

>environmental collapse

Not really, with all these green polices it is highly unlikely for a "collapse" to happen. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



Yeah god forbid that individuals have to take responsibility for their choices in life.

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>used to have comfy /cyber/ friends

>one by one they stopped using tox

>end up dropping it and switching to matrix/riot.im, which seems to be friendlier to normies, I mean more users in general

>still miss the old days when cyber was in the top 25

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