Hey /cyber/, I used to go on here a lot back in 2014-2016, and I met a couple people from that zeemaps post a long time ago and we'd really like to interact with some people from here, especially the OGs. Play some games, talk about cyber shit, do some dev projects if anyone's apt with that, etc.
I know Discord isn't a popular medium here but all my old Tox friends haven't been on in years.
Here it is, let's relive some old memories and do some fun cyber shit together.
>"I know Discord isn't popular around here"
>"but I'll shitpost anyways"
I barely use Tox because:
>normies don't use it
>anons are rarely extroverted enough to "break the ice" [me included]
>groupchats nearly always end up becoming a weird mix between /pol/ loudmouths+their daily life
Not that I completely disagree with many of /pol/'s claims, but having their whole conversations revolve around the same issues (sticking to complaining and not even doing anything about it) gets a bit tiresome. That and the US-focus ;^)
Should have at least tried open-source discord/slack alternatives like Riot.im, Rocket.chat or Mattermost.
I wrote and host my own invite only chat program. That's what people are doing now.
That's pretty cool. I wouldn't really know how to go about doing that myself though, so Discord it is, unless you want to host something for us
I can host something from my server: 99.97% uptime, 20Mbps upload. It's mostly idle so I would be more than happy to use it for something. Invite only chat like >>48643 would be nice to have. Maybe I'll hack something together over this weekend… Does anyone have any ideas what would be the best way to implement invites? Are one-time use links for registration a good idea?
That would be awesome. Should probably belong in another thread though when you do end up making it, for more visibility.
I could even host a media FTP server or something in addition.
Maybe users can post throwaway emails here and you can send one-time invites to those?
I implemented a websocket in JavaEE, then have it check a keycloak server that doesn't have any interface for creating users open to the public. I create a user, set the password so it needs to be changed upon login, and send the user/pass to my friend.
You can host it on a 3$/month VPS, and get yourself a domain and SSL Cert from lets encrypt.
Buy everything through BTC.
i am not sure how the speed of the discord is/was so i left because i did not want it to be another discord i join then i get 300+missed messages because it went too fast for me.
i like slow discords but i might come stop by every while.
Invite expired, send it so I may post
Total botnet. Use riot.
When you sign on for it, use matrix.org for authentication server, but for the actual matrix server, use banter.city. Join #general:banter.city for fun and shitposting.
Banter City is hosted by one of us. Not me, but I've met the guy irl and advised him on buying the server it's now running on.
too many people in it already. i deleted invite>>48668
We knew someone would end up saying that lmao
Yeah so cyberpunk to willingly give all your data to large corporation to sell & do whatever they want with
Don't blame the wageslave trying to look 133t while at it.
Dude had it right. It's dead simple to implement your own chat system, and run it on a free cloud account. If you can't even do that, what the fuck are you talking about anyway?
I don't get why so many people are making discord servers and shilling them all over the place (often spamming every imageboard they find), and they're often about dumb shit or whatever random thought they come across. Hey let's make a discord about bananas! And go publicizing them all around. I used to think discord had ads and people made brouzouf from this insane proliferation of servers, but there aren't, does it have a bitcoin miner or what?
If you start out with ads, you won't grow as much.
> I don't get why so many people are making discord servers and shilling them all over the place
Low entry level. Before discord you had to know how to set up an actual server, but now it's just few clicks away. Because of that there's a shitheap of rooms about everything that die after a couple of months because admins aren't dedicated to their community. With IRC and other real servers admins invest much more time and effort into shaping the community, and they won't abandon it so easily.
> invest much more time and effort into shaping the community
That sounds heavy handed. Consider the light touch that let 4chan flourish. In fact the people on /cyber/ trying to "shape" it by REEing over how something is not cyber unless it fits their criteria, are the worst part of the board. A subculture needs enthusiasm, not pruning.
>A subculture needs enthusiasm, not pruning.
Definitely needs pruning too.
If it's not, it needs to be. Discord is a datamining application. Stay away from it.
>and fucking Discord
This must be a fucking LARPer's board.
They cancelled the invite. Apparently aside from all the complaints in this thread about Discord being a spy platform there were too many people interested.
Come the fuck on. IRC is objectively more schway and has the same damn features.
Any decent channels? They all seem to dry up over time.
When I visited it was kinda dead that was why I wanted to have another look.
it's not cyber though
Good thing text on this board is already glow in the dark.
You can use the CLI client or even just join with IRC you dummy.
I know that now after playing with it, don't have to call me a dummy, faggot.
You goddamn newfags will never learn. There is -not- a cyberpunk way to use discord. It is everything a cyberpunk chat isn't: capitalist, data mining, un end-to-end encrypted.
It's facebook for autism.
kill yourself you fucking underage larpers spamming your channels everywhere
>kill yourself you fucking underage larpers spamming your channels everywhere
God forbid anyone try to do anything. Let's be hostile instead of making useful suggests.
Discord is a bad idea, but that's your cue to offer a better one, not be a cunt.
If people are being retarded it makes sense to degrade them for it. That's far more effective at changing behavior than politely requesting they stop using discord.
>If people are being retarded it makes sense to degrade them for it. That's far more effective at changing behavior than politely requesting they stop using discord.
Is it? Is that … working out for you?
It seems to me that from beginning to end, OP has admitted that discord is basically all he knows and can get people on. So, instead of telling him to kill himself, you could offer an alternative?
Also, screaming 'LARP' at everyone who does anything IRL just serves to suggest that you yourself never do anything, and feel superior for it.
It like being proud of your ignorance, but instead you're proud of your ignorance AND inaction.
At least these kids are trying, instead of running around the internet screaming 'I don't know anything, and I don't do anything!'.
Fuck you for endorsing a non free platform like Discord which uses fucking electron!
You cun't go learn to use IRC if you aren't to retarded to.
whats next, a facebook group?
hello my fellow cyberfriends
let's chat it up and share our data
it's gonna be fun
>Stallman links to a crappy neocities page started by an 8channer
(sigh) OP sorry everyone's being such a fucknut. I'm not a huge fan of discord but I do enjoy socializing there on occasion. I too don't know anyone who still uses Tox but if that can be a thing again I'll gladly reinstall. in the meantime if that discord link is still active I'll happily join
I'm so sorry about the size of your dicks. you two should totally kiss.
thats right, give in to botnet fellow /cyber/ user
>the size of your penis is 3 inch loooooosseerrrrr
whats your point?
Oh we fully expected the wave of fucknuts. Some people still do use discord because of other friends. It's here for people who want it. We were in talks of making a Matrix/Riot server to switch over to, but here's the new invite: https://discord.gg/KNjbzJN
Why would you use a spyware software like Discord? Why not an IRC?
Use riot you fucktard.
IRC is so fucking ugly
we might post more invites in the future, stay tuned
its aesthetic, discord is fucking stupid
there's a million different clients, which one is ugly?
IRC looks the way you make it look; if your clients ugly it's because you're dumb and your taste is shit
>If a singular message doesn't take at least 100x600 pixels of screen space its trash and looks ugly
Riot is shit and buggy as fuck. I'll gladly switch to Riot+matrix when it's a usable program
There is a new matrix frontend in development, it looks decent.
Also please stop bumping this fucking awful thread.
There are many matrix frontends in development. Not a single one besides Riot have even achieved true functionality or even completed basic functionality yet.
>Using proprietary software
Come on in instead.
You got it mane. Nobody here creates or discusses worth a damn, it seems. Honestly /cyber/ isn't the place for cyberpunk advancement, or creation. If you are printing Liberators or custom one-use high-caliber tools, if you are dead dropping/USB planting, or if you are building a psudeocyberdeck to house in your pack for your ali expressed and jury-rigged videoshades than you should find somewhere else. This board is more for lurkers to hangup on before they take a series interest in the mythos of it all.
Can we get a new invite link?
Anyone here who unironically goes on that discord should be perma derezzed from the board.
Yeah, this is the problem with Cyberpunk. It started as fiction, and so trying to do anything else with it looks silly as fuck. I agree that if you're actually doing ANYTHING you need to find someplace else, but aside from Reddit with super niche communities like /r/cyberdecks and invite-only clubs with 3 members, where would that 'someplace' be? Ultimately 'REAL' Cyberpunk is a niche of a niche. There's probably under 1000 people, world wide, doing that shit, and they're too busy doing it to talk to a bunch of LARPers.
Cyberpunk is subgenre of science fiction, so if you want to, your best bet is to search there. The best thing is you won't find any stupid LARPers out there, trying to be "low life" or other bullshit. Just stay away from specific fanbases like SW or star trek, though latter is not so canserous, afaik.
I think people are looking for more than fiction. The opportunity exists for making things, and doing things. I think people see that, but also that there are very few taking that opportunity and running with it. I think the issue is that they're looking for those people in 'Cyberpunk' places, when Cyberpunk is clearly just fiction, where if you follow maker spaces and things like that, there are people doing these things … just very few of them, and typically not while looking cool.
If you complain about Discord, but immediately follow up with "JOIN MY IRC" then you're part of the problem.
>I think people are looking for more than fiction.
Then they are retards. Making a fiction a political movement will do nothing but make the fiction as shitty.
>I think the issue is that they're looking for those people in 'Cyberpunk' places, when Cyberpunk is clearly just fiction
Then they will be told to fuck off in places i described, and rightfully so, as they do nothing but shit and preach. And that's a good thing. This place sucks for a while already because of that, though not all people who are interested in something fun and have left. Yet. Good job with these AR things, guys, they are awesome as they actually do something outside of fiction
> Then they are retards. Making a fiction a political movement will do nothing but make the fiction as shitty.
Yeah, I don't think Cyberpunk had any sense of unified political beliefs either, so it just kind of muddies the waters of the genre.
>Then they will be told to fuck off in places i described, and rightfully so, as they do nothing but shit and preach.
Definitely not the kinds of things I'm talking about. You definitely get a lot of hacker wannabes telling everyone how bad their 'opsec' is. No one wants those assholes around.
>Good job with these AR things, guys, they are awesome as they actually do something outside of fiction
That's actually more what I'm talking about. I think there's a sense of owning your tech, by really understanding how it works, and being able to manipulate it to your own ends.
I think people want a maker/modding community that actually does cool shit, with a cyberpunk sensibility. It's okay to be inspired by Cyberpunk. It's okay to let that inspiration show in your design and the overall themes of your work.
The real problem is you get too many people who either want Mr. Robot to be real, or they want to talk about building HardSuits from BubbleGum Crisis, and so the people actually making custom wearbales, laptops, phones, mesh-nets, etc … all inspired by Cyberpunk, and definitely borrowing from the themes and aesthetic, are stuck in maker spaces next to cosplayers and old guys making leather purses for ren fairs.
>I think people want a maker/modding community that actually does cool shit, with a cyberpunk sensibility.
More like the genre correlates with the people's views and preferences. Those who like it are generally also transhumanists, but it is not the cause of fiction, but there's correlation between the two. The same with making things. Maximum of what cyberpunk has done for these activities is encouraged certain designs, though if the thing looks good who cares if it's copying a design from, say, deus ex(most designs are actually done by copying and altering others), but the function overall is of other origin. Think of if like scientific progress and old-school science fiction.
>The real problem is you get too many people who either want Mr. Robot to be real
The moment they start thinking in terms of the fiction they start to suck, as they lose themselves and their ideas, if they had any before, exchanging them for popularity and looks of an imaginary world. The term "mall ninja" well fits this description, if extended beyond weapons.
> More like the genre correlates with the people's views and preferences.
This is an interesting point. So, if someone is doing a thing, and they concede that it is inspired by Cyberpunk, and that they like the aesthetic, but they aren't pretending it *IS* Cyberpunk, but continuing along their own path, then that's something different, in your opinion?
>The moment they start thinking in terms of the fiction they start to suck
I think, at that point, you're just cosplaying. If you're calling yourself a 'cyberpunk' and you're taking apart random electronics and sewing and gluing circuit boards to shit to make it look 'high tech', that's just Steampunk level cosplay, and yes, it immediately sucks.
>if someone is doing a thing, and they concede that it is inspired by Cyberpunk, and that they like the aesthetic, but they aren't pretending it *IS* Cyberpunk, but continuing along their own path, then that's something different
If they are doing it for the purpose of recreating an item or style from fiction, then no, but if they copy it because they like the design or an idea in themselves then they are just doing the thing and the connection to fiction is more of a "someone has thought of it before me" and not "someone did it so i'd like to be like him". If that makes sense.
>I think, at that point, you're just cosplaying.
Cosplay is generally harmless and sometimes even beneficial and certainly can be fun. The problem is that some people, especially in the field of our interest, convince themselves about importance of their acting. At that moment they feel more important themselves because of that activity, and at this point comes tribalism, group thinking and group rules, and attempts to distance from them makes them very aggressive, as their importance to the genre and themselves is under a threat. They know cyberpunk is coll, even edgy, actually, so they create movement that tries to act like one, so that they feel important and powerful/knowledgeable/etc, but there's not much basis for the movement so it kinda floats and lives and feeds on itself. Now i kinda lost it so i guess it's your turn to try to describe it better.
Here are some nice cosplay examples:
>If they are doing it for the purpose of recreating an item or style from fiction, then no, but if they copy it because they like the design or an idea in themselves then they are just doing the thing and the connection to fiction is more of a "someone has thought of it before me" and not "someone did it so i'd like to be like him". If that makes sense.
So, that black 'Cyberdeck' that completely works is an example of non-cosplay, to me, because it's just someone who wanted a pi-top and liked the general look and feel of the Cyberdeck idea from Cyberpunk 2020, but he's not trying to be a 'Cyberpunk', he just built a thing he wanted, and borrowed some design inspiration from something he liked.
> Cosplay is generally harmless and sometimes even beneficial and certainly can be fun.
I'm totally fine with the girl in this pic, going to cons and going to Halloween parties dressed as 'Cyberpunk'. She's wearing non-functional costume wear, and she knows it.
>They know cyberpunk is coll, even edgy, actually, so they create movement that tries to act like one, so that they feel important …
And, the third picture, is 'SexyCyborg' a self-proclaimed 'real Cyberpunk', who mostly makes projects the average 12yr old could piece together, themed mostly around her giant fake tits. If she were a dude, no one would tolerate her lame bullshit, but white knights keep her living in a fantasy world where she's a real Cyberpunk, ready to hack the corporations.
These are, to me, the three archetypes of modern Cyberpunk. The people who aren't playing, the people who know they're playing, and the delusional losers.
I'm saying, the people who 'aren't playing' should have their own subculture, well away from the other two.
>So, that black 'Cyberdeck' that completely works is an example of non-cosplay, to me, because it's just someone who wanted a pi-top and liked the general look and feel of the Cyberdeck idea from Cyberpunk 2020, but he's not trying to be a 'Cyberpunk', he just built a thing he wanted, and borrowed some design inspiration from something he liked.
Depends on the usability of a cyberdeck. Does it offer anything to a person that alternatives do not? Generally, it's impractical, so i'd say it's meh, but if someone finds it usable and comfortable with using it, i don't mind.
>themed mostly around her giant fake tits
Well, it's kinda the point. Tits are more of a theme of her channel than cyberpunk, or tech, for that matter. A different field of entertainment, though if what you describe is true that your point is also. I don't watch her so i can't tell.
>I'm saying, the people who 'aren't playing' should have their own subculture, well away from the other two.
There's no point in such a subculture outside from the fiction, no one would care and it would not be of any attractiveness. The whole point is to try to act cool and edgy by parodying characters and surroundings of successful genre.
>Depends on the usability of a cyberdeck. Does it offer anything to a person that alternatives do not?
It has some interesting features. He can run kali, has all his SDR/Wifi stuff plugged in, and he can put the screen into a set of goggles and use that for privacy. It's not something I'd use, but for the price it looks like he can do what he wants to do with it.
>Well, it's kinda the point. Tits are more of a theme of her channel than cyberpunk, or tech, for that matter.
Yeah, I guess she's mostly just going for the 'giving guys something to wank to' audience. I'm shocked she hasn't started a cam channel or something.
>The whole point is to try to act cool and edgy …
I don't think that's what the dude who made that pi-top was going for, but then who knows?
>It has some interesting features.
The main problem with cyberdecks is that keyboard itself is pretty big and clumsy, and if you add display you have an impractical laptop, but like i said, everything has its uses. Though generally these things are not worth it fro most people.
>I'm shocked she hasn't started a cam channel or something.
Well, there are plenty of cam channels, but there are few that use any disguise. And it's youtube as well.
>I don't think that's what the dude who made that pi-top was going for, but then who knows?
I don't think pi-top has much to do with cyberpunk, tbh. Everything was going to it since the popularity growth of rpi. Next step is a pocket pc or PDA something, basically just further development of small open source motherboard implementation. Even if its creator did go for it, the people who'll be using it do not, so it's not like it's a problem. It would not make him less of a poser, but his creation would still find uses and progress beyond that.
>I don't think pi-top has much to do with cyberpunk, tbh.
I think you're right, and I think that's what's annoying me. I want to find more stuff like that, and the creator considered it 'Cyberpunk Themed', but hanging around Cyberpunk boards is giving me cancer.
I want a place to go for that stuff, without … well, everything else here. The bad cosplay, the revolutionary wannabes, the toxic-because-it's-edgy club, etc, etc …
I just want a place to go where I can find people building Cyberpunk themed shit, that looks cool, works, and serves a purpose.
Don't worry anon, there's still exciting things to explore. I felt that way too, but after a while a started viewing all these things separate from cyberpunk itself. Aesthetic? Synthwave/80s/retrofuturism/etc, more or less an independent art/visual style. Electronics? Just caring about your security and wanting more options and implementations of useful stuff. Ans so on like this with everything else. If you think of things that way, you can easily determine their usefulness and value. You know, i as well wanted to open a bar or something like guys in a thread nearby, but it was long before that and i wanted the synthwave style, with infinite neon square fields on the black background. I haven't dumped this idea yet.
The main problem with /cyber/punk board is, interestingly, cyberpunk itself, as attempts to stay on topic end up in this way. Here are some guys more interested in things themselves rather that their relation to the cyberpunk genre, and they are doing pretty good job at it. Just focus on things you wish to create or implement instead of the genre and its importance. It's already happened that way so this board is not devoted to fiction, but more to things like tinkering, aesthetic, cosplay, and others, with plenty of them being pretty utilitarian and productive. I'd even say that it makes more sense to ask help here than on /tech/, for example, about certain questions. i honestly don't know how it can be changed to the better or what name would be more appropriate for such a board, so it seems we'll have to cope with this paradox.
You sure love the term toxic don't you? Transparent.
That word is used all over this board. I've honestly never used it anywhere else in my life, I just figured that was a common term here.
I'm definitely not the guy who thinks Cyberpunk should be a subculture of social change, haha.
I don't know if there's just one guy spewing it like crazy and I picked it up there, but that word is on practically every thread, and it felt like the right descriptor for the edge-lords that need to scream nigger, shazbot and kike in every thread, just because they can.
I'm not shocked, I don't even believe it's honest racism.
It sounds like when a bunch of 12yr olds get together at a friend's house with no supervision, and everyone is trying out swearing for the first time.
So, yeah, at least 90% of that isn't me.
I think you might be too young to be on this site.
Hahahaha … okay, sure, what makes you think that?
the most cyberpunk clubs, orgs, people are doing cool things with the exception of actually labeling everything cyberpunk.
Too True … it just makes it harder to find cool shit, because there's nothing you can google except 'Cyberpunk' to find it, and then you have to dig. Everything that is labeled 'Cyberpunk' is pretty immediately bullshit, though.
Maybe a stupid question but…where can one find cyber clubs/orgs/etc? I'm sure there's no central repository for this information and sites like Meetup I HIGHLY doubt will ever be of use for such an underground interest.
Some time ago I would meet up with a group of dudes and we would have a "flash drive party" (I know totally virgin-sounding) where we would get together with our laptops and exchange shit we had. Everything from movies, games, ebooks, sites, forums, pics, etc. yet most of it was all cyber-related. We all sadly went our separate ways (school, jobs, etc.) but…idk as old-fashioned as that sounds it would be cool to meet like-minded people and share data.
Try namefagging on a forum or irc something and asking there.
The cyber forum link is in the following link and it's still active, there's an irc as well, I don't use either so can't say for sure they'll help you with that but more likely than asking on a board for anonymous posting:
http://archive.is/3GeMj archive because jinteki.industries is still down/suspended, they must've been hosting it on wordpress, they hired some "ex" military general to crack down on wrong think
In college areas, you can find pirateboxes, they're servers with wifi running on raspberry pi's or some routers and they don't just serve files, iirc from the last time I played with piratebox.cc, you can have an ib running on it, so maybe find one in your area and post your idea there. I'm certain there are other ways, like organizing it yourself, printing signs and posting it irl or setup your own piratebox with your idea as the theme, they're highly customizable.
>he thinks cyberpunk is about how 'capitalism is bad'
interesting, thanks for the advice anon. And apologies for the late reply.
You sound like someone pretending to act "adult/mature" but not understanding it properly.
That and the haha, using edge-lord, complaining about racism and that way too specific teenager behaviour example.