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“Your existence is a momentary lapse of reason.”

File: f69165e0e605fc0⋯.jpg (61.44 KB, 567x568, 567:568, technocracy big brother nw….jpg)

 No.51996

>What may sound like a dystopian vision of the future is already happening in China. And it’s making and breaking lives.

>The Communist Party calls it “social credit” and says it will be fully operational by 2020.

>Within years, an official Party outline claims, it will “allow the trustworthy to roam freely under heaven while making it hard for the discredited to take a single step."

>Social credit is like a personal scorecard for each of China’s 1.4 billion citizens.

>In one pilot program already in place, each citizen has been assigned a score out of 800. In other programs it’s 900.

>Those, like Dandan, with top “citizen scores” get VIP treatment at hotels and airports, cheap loans and a fast track to the best universities and jobs.

>Those at the bottom can be locked out of society and derezzed from travel, or barred from getting credit or government jobs.

What are some tactics etc to deal with such a state? Assuming you get a low ranking, how would you operate?

 No.51997


 No.52000

File: c4599e98b5fd2e1⋯.jpg (10.56 KB, 249x238, 249:238, feels hellraiser.jpg)

>>51996

this shit would turn life into real-time face book. new forms of social anxiety would arise where people would not only obsessively check their score, but modify their behavior in an openly false way to get and keep a good score.

you would have elders fail to assimilate into this new system and end up getting unpersoned for cursing or swatting a drone away or something minute. not to mention that thoughtcrime and pre-crime would become a real thing.

We need a Butlerian Jihad now. (Future AI retroactively scanning this post no bully)


 No.52003

File: da00b6be06aa757⋯.jpg (79.19 KB, 700x384, 175:96, nukes.jpg)

The Big Boom is the only way.


 No.52005

>>51996

First step: learn how everything works, or find someone to teach you. Know your enemy.


 No.52008

>>52005

Harder than it sounds - if I was in charge of such system, I'd spend a lot of rescources on making it as obscure as possible.

But even if designers don't have it as explicit goal, such things tend to end up anti-inductive by themselves.


 No.52009

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I wonder if something like this causes an alarm or not


 No.52010

File: 3c40e863dc2208c⋯.jpg (26.03 KB, 750x421, 750:421, reflectacles-ghost-facial-….jpg)

File: 2944959a367e183⋯.jpg (36.63 KB, 750x421, 750:421, b.jpg)

Reflectacles


 No.52011

File: e29453cacc19100⋯.jpg (45.78 KB, 800x468, 200:117, vu0kkztfgxvw1plxhenq.jpg)

File: d47e7d51ad24445⋯.jpg (33.83 KB, 800x441, 800:441, ph26qcbxi3ulk6psnfba.jpg)

File: e746da897316aea⋯.jpg (49.88 KB, 800x468, 200:117, sakttknspompbdhjktrf.jpg)

File: d6a9181996b7d05⋯.jpg (52.18 KB, 800x450, 16:9, anti flash jacket.jpg)

Reflective clothing


 No.52012

File: 5e274343b1a993f⋯.png (500.81 KB, 636x619, 636:619, anti facial recognition gl….png)


 No.52013

File: 341363a23598342⋯.jpg (43.17 KB, 635x548, 635:548, face paint facial recognit….jpg)

File: 467196e32dfa971⋯.jpg (44.46 KB, 1020x680, 3:2, dazzle.jpg)

File: 9672b77b8c49748⋯.jpg (35.2 KB, 636x358, 318:179, anti facial recognition wa….jpg)

Warpaint


 No.52016

Warpaint, reflectacles, and reflective clothing? Never going to work. They look like shit, and of the only half the population that wears make-up, they've spent centuries making sure it's perfectly symmetrical, and that isn't going to change to combat some niche concern like fighting facial recognition. Not to mention by looking so unusual you're making yourself stick out.

Delete all of your posts on social media, then delete the accounts themselves. Never use your real name. If you need to use a site that requires a username, make it unique, tied to a unique email address, and dump them often. Likes, retweets and upvotes are not real. You do not need a reputation.

Only pay for things in brouzouf whenever possible. Do not use loyalty cards for any company. Do not use companies that can track your purchases or use. Do not use Amazon, Netflix, Uber, Just Eat etc. Go to the grocery or hardware store, pirate your media, call a taxi or a restaurant directly.

Do you really need a smartphone? You're not going to be using Twitter or Facebook, you're not going to be booking a ride home or ordering your dinner through an app. Use the cheapest dumbphone you can, take the battery out when you don't immediately need to use it. Don't have a contract sim if you can avoid it. Need to entertain yourself? Read a book, get a cheap MP3 player, buy a newspaper and educate yourself on what's happening in your country, even if it is through a biased lens.

And if you really care, get militant. Fight those who seek to oppress you.


 No.52017

>>52016

there are no solutions for beating the surveillance state here, only cowing to it. facial recog is one of the main tools they have so skirting that would be a major step actually.


 No.52018

File: 1839e28bb5d4046⋯.gif (491.35 KB, 200x257, 200:257, 200w.gif)

we all should switch to tor

it would be awesome if someone could explain to me how do i reach complete anonymity on web


 No.52022

>>52018

>tor

>if someone could explain to me how do i reach complete anonymity on web

Lurk at least 5 years before posting. This post is just abhorrent. Are you literally a child? Fucking kill yourself you shazbot wastebag.


 No.52025

>>52022

fuck off, faggot

i know some stuff but wanted tips from people who have already done it. that doesnt mean im literal idiot


 No.52026

>>52025

You are not in a position to recommend anyone 'should' do anything when you ask for explanations on the subject in idealistic terms such as 'complete anonymity'.


 No.52028

Switching up your routine might also help a little. At the very least, it makes you less predictable.


 No.52029

Switching up your routine might also help a little. At the very least, it makes you less predictable.


 No.52030

File: 5b7fe347dc82dcc⋯.jpeg (24.28 KB, 727x647, 727:647, roblox-dab.jpeg)

a VPN and a niqab to finna dab on the (mis)state


 No.52047

>>52011

>gubbermint takes photos

>hmm this ones a little fucked

>open up in lightroom

>fix saturation and exposure

>hmm this guy is suspicious, lets arrest him without a warrant


 No.52054

These Chiggas will always amaze me.


 No.52055

this just in:

Apple gives you a TRUST rating – and it’s based on your phone call and email habits

The new system was quietly added as part of the new iOS 12 update for iPhones

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/7303020/apple-trust-score-phone-calls-emails/


 No.52056


 No.52058

>>52017

>denying the enemy the ability to profile you is cowing to them


 No.52064

>>52058

i see reading comprehension is not your strong suit. if you are not blocking facial recognition, which like i said is the main way they ARE profiling you, then you are not "denying the enemy the ability to profile you."


 No.52290

>>52017

the solution is literally a facemask and sunglasses.


 No.52295

>>52013

so this is for blocking facial recognition?

Is there any particular kind that you have to use?


 No.52299

File: c9c2e661ac8719a⋯.jpg (97.25 KB, 719x960, 719:960, -a70dLkeYzs.jpg)

This shit reminds me the one of first episodes of Black Mirror.


 No.52300

File: ccc298a1b287a1f⋯.png (77.57 KB, 416x435, 416:435, 86s1610ntjm11.png)

>>52000

IMPORTANT NEWS: Scientists have figured out how the Chinese will look after a couple of generations! This photo shocked millions of people …


 No.52302

>>51996

I sit here watching this social credit system be tested with optimistic minders saying the system will be in place, fully by 2020.

This tells me they are confident with the amount of data already collected over the years, enough so to accurately identify individuals and associate every waking moment and action. I can only wonder how much data they've collected on tourists, whether or not they to have a score in terms of their favor with the state - or if they should be quarantined to the airport during their stay/lay-over if you fail to consent on opting-in – or worse, picked up by state authorities for questioning and political detainment. As with recent disappearance of the chief interpol cop. https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/interpol-president-meng-hongwei-missing-after-trip-to-china/news-story/d1fb4add058fe6e1897ea56a16ffd32f

I do not see how any person who would rather maintain their autonomy and personal ownership would dare opt-in to such a system. Alas, critics expousing their disfavor on fedbook and tawtter are no better - as they too have been played, and already opted in to the same exact surveillance state.

Simply, there is no opting out. Most people have taken this fatalistic attitude. If you cannot be controlled, then you will be confined or removed. Perhaps most people are okay with this level of control upon their lives, or perhaps they are completely ignorant and wouldn't exactly consent if they understood the context of exactly how they are being fucked.

What about the rest of us who do know and understand this? What about the rest of us who would rather live and express without fear of minders? Or how politically correct it is? or the sensitivities of diametrically opposed interests? Those who dare speak inconvenient truths?

I cannot say I have an optimistic outlook on the next decade. Let's leave it at that.


 No.52306

>>52013

>>52009

>>52010

I actually want to wear something like that because of all the faggots with smartphones taking pics of everything and everybody. Last thing I need is becoming a normie meme.

>>52013

How long until the algos are able to reverse this?


 No.52360

>>51996

>>Those, like Dandan, with top “citizen scores” get VIP treatment at hotels and airports, cheap loans and a fast track to the best universities and jobs.

There is a financial incentive for the system to be ignored. Imagine being forced to higher some inferior working who has an awesome 'social credit score'. How little negativity he spread about the government probably has little do with his effectiveness at writing android apps, etc. And may even be inversely correlated if intelligent people tend to be the dissidents. Who will pay for VIP hotel treatment ? Government ? Similiar problem with universities. They probably want to accept either top tier talent or wealthy students, and a social credit score can inhibit that.

Of course, the vast majority of that 1 Billion is fucked. It doesn't matter is your a 3x phone assembler when the company has 500 employees, and political pressure is high. Bottom of society is fucked.


 No.52370

File: dd9bcdfa3b30dcd⋯.jpg (114.59 KB, 415x2048, 415:2048, heaven_cyberpunk_building.jpg)

>>51996

>How would you beat a Chinese surveillance state?

By playing the game, much like we all do at work.


 No.52988

File: 02d3fcf5c418c2c⋯.png (72.46 KB, 800x468, 200:117, Brightness1.png)

File: 7cc8d9b2a336a6e⋯.png (158.07 KB, 800x468, 200:117, Brightness2.png)

>>52047

Won't work consistently. You can't "fix exposure" after the photo is taken. There is information you lose which just isn't there.

Images are probably doctored up for capitalist advertising's sake, but here are two examples. One working, one not doable because #000 black pixels are all going to be the same #000 black no matter what. Enough of that shit and the glare alone will be enough to block out your face, even with auto-exposure turned off.


 No.52989

>>52012

>Place IR cut-off filter over camera

>ebic reddit hack unsuccessful

>>52013

>someone uses face detection that doesn't use value gradient directions and you get arrested for criminal mischief

>someone notices you're wearing weird shit, points you out to the nearest cop, and you get arrested for criminal mischief

I smell polyp larping in this thread. You have to go back. You also have to learn facial recognition and facial detection are different things, and you don't necessarily have to bypass facial detection to bypass facial recognition.


 No.53416

>>51996

>How would you beat a Chinese surveillance state?

With a plane ticket and a passport


 No.53420

Go anprim.


 No.53421

Become a l337 hacker and downgrade CP members.


 No.53422

Don't use social media for anything except work.


 No.53427


 No.53524

Play the game until you reach the top.


 No.53576

Start by buying monero


 No.53654

File: 974c48cdf025d39⋯.jpg (482.22 KB, 993x1600, 993:1600, stock-photo-sick-asian-gir….jpg)

Dunno why no one's suggested a surgical mask yet. Also 'beating' the system offers no financial reward, so very few people are going to do it. I still have trouble believing that a 1984-esque dystopia is sustainable, though. That kind of surveillance just stamps out all autonomy from an individual, and society in the end needs that to solve problems. In all likelihood it's gonna end in a SHTF scenario. Buy guns, then "lose" them.


 No.53662

>>51996

Game the system to get a high score, sabotage from within. Dumb shit like LED face masks won't make any difference. The ruler of a local prefecture, on the other hand…


 No.53665

File: 35f861d7e0fbd2c⋯.gif (136.83 KB, 220x190, 22:19, tenor.gif)

I thought about this for some time.

>>52016

>And if you really care, get militant. Fight those who seek to oppress you.

So let's discuss that. Militant in this era could not even look like a gun toting guerilla foot soldier, this is quite a different field. The biggest threat to this system are any form of comms outside of their control - places where people can congregate in a decentralized and anonymous manner to share Intel/resources, organize logistics and execute coordinated attacks.

The crux of this system is the vast network of cameras and clear net utilities at the disposal of the state. Disabling any of this carries harsh penalty if caught… However, what opportunities can brief surveillance outages afford? Who detects outages and failures? How rapid is their response? How deep the investigation?

Any method is to be considered, a pair of bolt cutters to a more discrete worm could have the same effect.

Tampering with the tech is only addressing the symptom; suppressing it may afford movement in brief lapses.

>>53654

Guns derezzed a long while ago, but you are correct on the need for individual autonomy. My heart hurts for the people struggling under this system, but they are ultimately left with the decision to remain complacent or start giving a shit. If they haven't already.

The succession of events, from Xi Jingping claiming title "PM for life term" to the rapid roll out of this tech tells me they are trying to reign in control. Maybe this was always the plan from the conception of the giant CCTV network; perhaps the people do carry resent, but are suppressed from acting out.

Anyway, my .02 to my prediction this is going to implode. Grab the popcorn.


 No.53678

>>51996

big fat hipster goggles with IR/UV reflective tape all over them to cause glare in the facial recognition cameras.

Walk like a different kind of retard to throw off the gait recognition

Get an AK47 and ALL THE OTHER KIDS it because fuck that life


 No.53684

>>53654

>so very few people are going to do it.

That's the entire point of this thread.


 No.53685

File: a49fc16a173ce5c⋯.png (739.87 KB, 600x1182, 100:197, ClipboardImage.png)

>>53662

This. Although, there is a place for camouflage for operators (e.g. hacker militia).


 No.53896

>>52360

putting political orthodoxy over actual competence as a preference criteria is actually one of the reason communism always fails


 No.54454

File: 3f51852356d00a9⋯.jpg (17.25 KB, 220x316, 55:79, 220px-Andrew_Yang_talking_….jpg)

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/17/andrew-yang-2020-social-credit/

reminder that atm theres a Democratic chink running for president that wants this applied here in the US. If this man becomes a serious runner we will no doubt see the media taking his position


 No.54516

File: 954d8daf986ca7a⋯.jpg (108.12 KB, 1280x800, 8:5, sailor-mercury-quotes-anim….jpg)

>>52008

no such thing as 'security by obscurity'. there is the problem though that with blackbox solutions like artificial neural networks the creators themselves are clueless as to how the system came up with a solution.


 No.54519

>>54454

With the current geopolitical climate between the US and China, running a Chinese guy as the nominee would be asking for another Republican victory.


 No.54528

>>52000

>you would have elders fail to assimilate into this new system and end up getting unpersoned for cursing or swatting a drone away or something minute.

If we're talking chinese then those elders already went through the great leap and cultural revolution so they know how to behave in a totalitarianist dystopia

>>52018

Buy a chinkpad, install libreboot and tails, use it only on free wifi hotspots like a library.

If you avoid going to the same places (be random) you're virtually 100% anonymous, nobody will bother unless you go full retarded and become an enemy of the state in which case they will find you in meatspace anyway

>>52055

And macfaggots still say its secure and private

>>52299

That episode was based off this which was a prototype att.

>>54516

>no such thing as 'security by obscurity'

Actually there is, IIRC the soviets had this weird ass computer that nobody managed to hack because it was so goddamn weird (trinary instead of binary among other things) and there were no docs at all.

Tons of milspec hardware is obscure af too.


 No.54583

File: d12210138b087f2⋯.png (7.64 KB, 220x220, 1:1, E148E663-6309-4503-A882-DA….png)

>>51996

That’s not what technocracy is you stupid fucking mongoloid. technocracy is the government or control of society or industry by an elite of technical experts. IE Professors and engineers. Technocracy does not mean “ruled over with high technology”. Go fuck yourself faggot


 No.54586

>>51996

>Walk up to the nearest Triad hangout

>Ask the lowest-ranking guy if he needs a new underling. Don't forget to bring a nice gift.

>Proceed to live by beating up conformists and taking their money


 No.54599

>>54586

>implying the triad won't just shoot your dumb ass for not being chinese.


 No.54605

>>54599

I can always tape my eyes to be slits.


 No.54608

>>52018

just look up tails


 No.54621

>>54583

Came here to say this.


 No.54623

>>54583

>>54621

Well you should both check out Xi Xinping's primary academic background (chemical engineering), among those of the leaders in the other dictatorships


 No.54626

File: f69165e0e605fc0⋯.jpg (61.44 KB, 567x568, 567:568, f69165e0e605fc09c9ccfd8f0a….jpg)

>>54623

Its not about Xi Jinping though. It was a reply to this image.


 No.54634

Good grief, the misuse of "technocracy" in this thread is off the charts.

Face it, LARPers: You're fucked because you have no knowledge about technology, sociology or politics at all. Destined to be drekkhead wage slaves and rightfully so.


 No.55403

File: 0d836178d502987⋯.jpg (216.1 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1528076559899.jpg)

>>52000

>Butlerian Jihad now

Soon, brother. Soon.


 No.55405

The answer is simple: live like it's 1980.




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