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 No.127326

So I ended up here, /fringe/.

From /pol/, through /fit/, to abandoning halfchan altogether, and finding this board while looking for books.

I am looking for knowledge. I want to reach my highest potential, physically, mentally and spiritually.

I've stopped using social media, playing videogames, masturbating, eating anything outside of my strict diet. I started exercising, reading a lot (theory), sleeping on the floor, I use a fluoride filter for water, stopped drinking caffeine, alcohol, any other drugs. And I've ran out of ideas. Currently I'm beginning to meditate and trying out the exercises I found in "Forbidden Parapsychology", which was recommended in one of the threads here.

So, I'm here to ask for book recommendations, practices I can add to my routine, anything that can improve my physical, mental and spiritual health. I just begun my quest for knowledge.

My current booklist is:

>Prometheus Rising

>Quantum Psychology

>Works of Evola and Guenon

>The Will by Atkinson

>Liber Null

>How to Know Higher Worlds by Steiner

>The Kybalion

>Angel Tech by Antero Alli

>The Art of True Healing by Israel Regardie

>Lazy Man's Guide to Relaxation

>The Secret Teachings of All Ages

>works of Gurdjieff, Collin and Ouspensky

>Kali Kaula by Jan Fries

>Science of Breath

>Futhark, A Handbook of Rune Magic

>The Gnostic Bible

>Works of Savitri Devi and Miguel Serrano

Anything worth adding/removing from the list? It's obviously chaotic, as I'm just a beginner.

 No.127330

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You seem way too obsessed, just chasing something silly like a brainwashed drone from the modern /pol/-shitmeme and self-help industry. But all this time you have forgotten to stop and think, to use you spirit for once.

All this stuff and yet you seem to arrive nowhere at all. Should have just done 100 push-ups, 100 squats, 100 sit ups and run 10km every single day for 2 years instead. Of course you can start with it right now.


 No.127331

>>127330

Yes, and kill everything in one punch, right?

The reason I'm so obsessed is because I just managed to beat alcoholism and moved to a new place. So while I'm learning a new language and meeting people, I've got loads of free time. It's also the first time in my life I live on my own (I'm quite young).


 No.127332

>>127331

Well then you could add Initiation into Hermetics to your book list. Work out 4 times a week in the gym, completely leave out alcohol and porn/masturbation. Try to open your third eye and master astral traveling. Don't overdo it, keep it chill. A candle that burns too bright burns down too quickly…or sth like that. You don't need to sleep on floors and cut out videogames completely. The most important thing is to start thinking and feeling and realizing what really matters. Don't fall for everything and anything and there are a lot of traps. Teachers, gurus and people on the internet will make you believe some things are very important, good or worthwile while in reality those things suck and will drag you down to hell faster than you can say "ONE PUNCH!"

>Prometheus Rising

1%good, 99%cucked and bluepilled

>The Secret Teachings of All Ages

50%good info, 50%disinfo

>The Gnostic Bible

Watch out with gnosticism. A lot of degeneration there

>Futhark, A Handbook of Rune Magic

based, just like IIH and Evolas books probably one of the most practical and useful books you can work with.

Also fringe is a very bad place to be in.


 No.127333

>>127332

Thanks anon. The sleeping on the floor thing I got from a good friend of mine who is very well read and physically fit. He told me it's better for the lower back, and another alternative is balancing your body with a pillow put under some part (don't remember which one) of the body.

>fringe is a very bad place to be in.

I don't browse imageboards anymore, but I'm curious. Why? It seems much better than 90% of halfchan.


 No.127339

>>127333

I will try sleeping on the floor too. Do you have any tips? I have never pulled it off before because I work out at the gym a lot and therefore I need high quality sleep. Tried it out for a few weeks but it was very uncomfortable, could not get good rest at all and everything hurt after a sleepless night.

>It seems much better than 90% of halfchan.

It's shit on a complete other level. Halfchan is obvious degenerate crap but here it is much more dangerous. Grab the books from the libraries and run like hell, this place kills your very soul and will lead you astray forever.


 No.127340

>>127339

In my experience, it gets much more comfortable after a week or two. I recommend beginning with a mat/carpet to make the floor less hard.


 No.127344

>>127333

You should read The Master Key by Robert Peng. I think that's the author at least. His SIFU made him do grueling horse stance until he entered a meditative state spontaneously and remained there for 4 hours – then his SIFUUUU slammed a sledgehammer into his low navel and it bounced off ("SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER!"). There's more to the story, like sleeping on a rope, but it's more about the qi gong exercises since he became a healer after all that.

I sleep on a mat on the ground that I roll up and out every morning and night – it's not super thin but it's nothing like a mattress either. It's good. Your body will become stronger. Stiff tendons and fascia tend to be strong, and stretching them gives an opportunity to stiffen again and become even stronger (cycles).


 No.127349

>>127333

/fringe/ seems to be a lot of misdirection and shitposting rather than genuine fringe discussion nowadays. In my meditations and studying of the library I've come to find that the board holds very little actual useful information. I feel as though once a particular level of practice is obtained then a typical initiate will ditch this place. A shift in values from obtained wisdom means that they see no point in spreading their discoveries, or perhaps it becomes ill advised to do so. But that is all conjecture.


 No.127350

>>127326

I'd recommend 'Magic Simplified' by Draja Mickaharic. Teaches some fundamental skills. Very straight forward and practical. I'd attach the PDF but it won't let me for whatever reason, but I'm sure you can find it.


 No.127352

Your book list contains an overkill amount of knowledge, but read it all, no problem. As long as you PRACTICE. Most of those books contain practical exercises. Do them.

Also check out fringebay.com (check out the archive and the link to the freedomboard archives hidden in the bug list) and meguca.org/fringe for the hardcore stuff.

Welcome, brother. And good luck.


 No.127353

>>127349

/fringe/ is a nexus. Its contents as an imageboard are mostly irrelevant. The real meat is within each one of us. Only those who do the work get to see it.


 No.127356

>>127339

The idea is to sleep on a solid flat surface, not necessarily a hard one. The problem with soft mattresses is they hold you like a sack of potatoes, and your spine gets maligned by its own weight. Kind of like how astronauts get back problems.

You can just use a mattress topper and you'll be cushioned but still firmly supported horizontally. Or a rug and a sleeping mat, etc.


 No.127357

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>>127326

If there's anything I've learned, it's to ease slowly into this sorta stuff. A lot of the books you'll find here are esoteric, full of disinfo, metaphor & occulted information. You'll find that reading them without the urge to finish them will help you understand what truly speaks to you.

Some of the humans who wrote these books may have been masters, but they were all human, just like you, with unique talents, urges, and flaws. Some of them may have experienced glimpses of the transcendent and struggled to put it into words… which brings me to my next point.

I do not believe that /fringe/ is an inherently toxic place to be, but the content here consists primarily of text. These words are just placeholders which only stand for the true reality. These words seem to gain strength in somewhat of a collective sense, as thoughtforms, which over time can eclipse the brain's perception of true reality. Through the experience of this premise, I have come to love and grasp a deeper understanding of Language, of authors like James Joyce, William S. Burroughs & Alan Moore, & especially, of Magick. To keep from rambling, I will wrap this up, and try my best to attend to any further questions or discussions.

Every thought is a prayer, every word is a spell.

If your goal is to glimpse the transcendent, know that it will only be temporary, but that you must go within. You must sit until your legs are asleep and your ass hurts. You must wait. You must be diligent. You must acknowledge the effect that technology has had on your mind, and you must atone for it.

Do not fret, be thankful that this experience is available, and that people have glimpsed it. I hesitate to mention psychedelics, but if a glimpse is your intention, they may be worth attaining and being used in an extremely educated and well-suited setting, but while thinking about psychedelics and my own personal experiences, I always come back to Carl Jung's phrase "beware of unearned wisdom".

Push the boundaries of your practice, try a 10-day silent vipassana retreat, it'll blow your mind.


 No.127358

>>127326

Learn the GOODS LBRP, do that every day. Start doing ritual at least a few times a week, evocation, sigils or something like Inner Guide Meditation (strongly recommend that book/method). Even New Avatar Power would be a good place to start learning basic evocation structure. Learn Tarot. Reading without practice is pointless.


 No.127361

>>127357

Thank you anon. I'm not the kind of person who speedreads through books thinking that the earliest I finish them the better, I also often stop reading through a book knowing that's not what I'm looking for or seeing that I'm reading something that I've read before.

I am not planning to stay around here long, currently I visit only this thread. I too like James Joyce, although haven't read the other authors you mentioned.

I've already tried psychedelics a couple of times, and I can say they were an interesting experience and widened my outlook on things. I'll definitely try them again after attaining more knowledge, fortunately I have friends interested in similar topics.

I'll try the silent retreat when I have an occasion to, currently being silent for 10 days straight is impossible for me.

Thanks for your post anon, very informative.

>>127358

Thanks anon, I'm screenshotting everything in the thread to look into it later.


 No.127395

>>127330

People who watch one paunch man and enjoy it are very first density.


 No.127396

>>127332

/This

Especially wrt Prometheus Rising (in general anything by that simpering moron RAW), gnosticism, and fringe being terrible.

Everyone should look into Bruce Frantzis and his stuff on breathing techniques and meditation/dissolving. Tldr the Water tradition of Daoism is most of what's good about traditional eastern thought with the horseshit removed. also stay away from any "Buddhist" westerners like Jack Kornfield and Pema Chodron.


 No.127397

File: e2237f5ea6167c4⋯.png (181.73 KB, 794x1123, 794:1123, bitmap.png)

File: ed71a2943add61a⋯.pdf (825.45 KB, Khan_posts.pdf)

>>127326

This PDF of posts from Khan (a fringe magus who wished to share his knowledge) should be useful to you. I must warn you though, for all his words leading for betterment, he has a startlingly negative view towards sex- which is not only a useful tool in the occult but it's part of our biological being, using sex with love is a good addition to both leisure, encouragement, and sacred experiences.

I've also included a remade diagram of the Qabbalah from his posts. this should contain the proper sigils for the planets/sephira as posted in his drawing, as well as the tattvas (which he neglected to include in his threads for reasons).

>>127339

>>127333

>>127349

Sturgeon's law happens. The only way a community becomes toxic is when its leaders alienate people and throw bans for really petty reasons. Besides, sifting through the shitposts is far worth those gold nuggets you find from the quality posts.


 No.127426

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

OP read Light on the Path and then find all the audiobook versions of it and play it to yourself listening to various narrators, once every day, for about 2 weeks.

The whole thing takes about a half hour to read btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsyH2BX8M_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQJ4TIaaco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7PTuNVs68E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYnnqEY4k-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKi7ECWa4Wg

If you want, go ahead and create your own audio recording version of it too.

With this ingrained in your mind, you will know the path to mastery.


 No.127444

Yeah, no. I've read these books and a whole lot more.

You'll get spiritually lost and become a bullshit occultist with all that garbage. The 'Occult Mafia' installs blockages and parasites within you that hinder genuine progress. Just give you pointers, W. W. Atkinson was a conman and his "Science of Breath" gives false techniques. "Rune Magic", like all "magic" systems, is completely arbitrary/artificial and any "results" from it can be replicated without baggage. Did you even look into Miguel Serrano, for example, before you put him into you reading list? You won't even understand him because his works rely on other works (Jung, Pound, Evola, etc) and that's just one example.

You read books and then you read more books, then years pass and all you have is junk that you've mistaken for knowledge and wisdom. It's a trap and /fringe/ is part of the conspiracy with its hardcore shilling for works with mere grains of truth.


 No.127446

>>127332

>Also fringe is a very bad place to be in.

How so?

>>127444

Wasn't there some anon who went over most if not all of the books in the library and posted the ones that were actually useful.

I'm surprised I can't find the cap.


 No.127450

>>127326

No JavaScript, no cellphones, no banks. Proprietary software is for niggers. Watch RMS. Freedom is worth the inconvenience.

Do not kill the banker–kill the retard who gives his powers to the "banksters", then elects Literal Hitlers.

Germany has one of the best banking systems in the world by the way, 1500 local not-for-profit community-banks (Richard Werner).

In the future there is no room for "normies"–we must all be Autists. Hunt down & execute violent tradcucks, send peaceful ones 2 jungle.

https://invidio.us/search?q=stallman

https://invidio.us/watch?v=uubEVpOWALA RAW & ORGANIC, Food Grade Cosmetics! RMS Full Face Demo/Review \\ Chloe Morello

Boys can be pretty too. As long as it's safe and not made from fucking foreskins. "Women" who wear foreskin-makeup are total retards.

Diana Davison, Karen Straughan, KellyJones00–nice autistic females. Fluffies are obsolete wombtech, not worth the fuss. Spergs are relatively speaking gender-neutral, thus radfem+MGTOW, National Globalists.

https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Woman

>the annoying, dumb, inferior, shitty gender pieces of flesh around the vagina that don't invent or discover things

https://medium.com/@cassiebrighter/what-do-we-do-about-women-with-a-penis-70e783fb952e

Manipulative-female anger is the weathervane of truth. If they offer wi-fi, ask where the ethernet jack is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RileyJayDennis/status/884991412202229760

>my argument: maybe your preference for women with vaginas over women with penises is, to some degree, influenced by our cissexist society.

Some girls have penises, get over it bigots. Tomboys and tradtraps make the best life-partners. Autistic-females freely cooperate with autistic-males. Shulamith Firestone said, why the hell should a self-respecting female have to risk her life to create new life? Why not invent the Artwomb? Because fluffies weaponize the wombpower to keep their cuckbands under control that's why. Always support deviants.

Self-improvement is a meme that leads nowhere but misery, because it is an artificial goal. Inner peace comes from understanding Aeonics.

The humanimal has very few necessities in re biosurvival assurance. Too buff or too thin reveals a stupid brain.

If you are young do not focus on change, your brain will take care of this on your own. Neuromaturation works irrespectively of "desires".

By ~30 your Inner Neurogenetic Core will have actualized in ways that will make most of what you think now comprises "you" seem 100% inane.

Why did G-d create gentiles? Someone has to buy retail!

It is possible to live on <50$/MONTH.

The meatsuit must be handled with care but neutrality is the target, not some arbitrary "self-improvement". Play with meatsuits, do not glorify them.

Drugs are not really needed, especially as the human brain shifts into Isolated-Brain-in-vat mode and gets direct nutrient infusions of pulverized goyim–Goylent.

>So while I'm learning a new language

Neat but probably unnecessary. Bilingualism is important but progressively-advancing knowledge of English is all that is truly critical.

WH40K: High Gothic, Lingua-technis, Noosphere

Human language is for nigger monkeys–very very inefficient. Soon Techpriest will be freed from this bullcrap and exchange raw frames with each other through the Noosphere, directly, which is extreme Warptech. Opensource openhardware 3dprinted big black dildos with diy motors to help the body literally vibrate at a higher frequency ;), meanwhile the Psyker learns programming and electronics, then quantum brainchips to summon Daemons directly (controllable righthemispheric activation). Phonecucks are the worst lifeform and will devolve into Tyranids.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=christopher+hyatt+psychopath+bible http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=hyatt+black+book

https://invidio.us/watch?v=o3ngpiovR-8 Meghan Rouillard on Vernadsky and the Noosphere

Listen to everything Michael Aquino. https://invidio.us/search?q=michael+aquino

https://www.xeper.org/pub/pub_gil.html https://darkbooks.org/pp.php?v=210056184 Diabolicon

https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/occult_library/Aquino_M_A-Temple_of_Set.pdf

https://invidio.us/channel/UC4avQL0dz2oTQtJqXyVfe8g Kabbalahinfo

>I've got loads of free time.

Just DDOS your brain with everything, play Devil's Advocate for all sides, then see what you REALLY resonate to, what truly sticks around. Externalization of the Hierarchy is a good introduction to how the humanimal works on the bioelectroalchemical level. Civilization is mass-scale trauma-based mind-control, but when we Satanists say, hey let's make what "Svali" said actually real, oh no nono!! We're evil!!! #comehomewhiteman #getbackintothevagina #youknowyouwantto

Check out Shulamith Firestone. They think we're out there to eat their kids and rape their skulls. What they're ackshully doing to themselves is millions of times worse.


 No.127451

>>127326

https://invidio.us/watch?v=LQucESRF3Sg Minds of Men by Truthstream, excellent documentary. At all levels of intelligence, human beings realize that all life on the planet must be erased for the next lifeform, just like how proteins -> RNA -> DNA. Imagine RNA going "trad" and saying #muhherratige. Jean-Francois Gariepy is the #1 champion for human eradication.

<and meeting people

There is nothing to be gained from socialization that can not be gained from simply immersing yourself in the Acausal. Read O9A to understand Acausal Theory and Timeline Creation. Only at very high levels is direct physical interaction really meaningful, and often at this stage one would feel so close to the person they'd want to suck eachothers, which would usually be counterproductive. Those who drop state to interface with the Materium in order to exchange "information" with screeches and moving their monkey bodies around glorify being neocortically-advanced monkeighs. Preferentially, all of them are to be treated as animals.

Also watch Spider's Web, HyperNormalisation, Brendon O'Connell, Richard Werner, Stephanie Kelton. Sumerian Swindle.

Animatrix Second Renaissance, Psycho-Pass Sibyl System, Akumetsu. Mass-Scale Human Extermination, Industrial-Scale Life-Creation, Repopulation of Terra with Autism.

James Randi, George Carlin, mysticism is good to the extent that a little magical thinking is beneficial because it promotes transient right-hemispheric hyper-activation, as described by Julian Jaynes in Origin of Consciousness. Outside of this it is all fake and gay so this is why human-machine interfacing will rape everybody, because it must. "Black Magic" is weird natural crap like humidity, temperature, EM, ionization. Many glorify "the unknown" senselessly when it is just mathematics–STEMagic. Watch Kai-Fu Lee's videos and read AI Superpowers. Skitarii soon. But pray to Jewsus goy! While the Made in China Space Marines annihilate. Every human being will be microchipped: the question is whether by conquest or consent. Nobody will trust anybody who does not freely share their whole lives, and those that do will preemptively exterminate all lifeforms on earth. Goa'uld vs Tok'ra. Moral people choose voluntary datasharing (omniveillance); retards will let Judaya+CIAniggers spy on their asses and blackmail them (uberveillance).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Garis#The_Artilect_War

https://profhugodegaris.wordpress.com/gender-roles-2050/

What "women" do to themselves is worse than Daemonculabae.

Human monkey sexuality is mostly silliness. The brain is so plastic one can pretty much do anything with it and wire then rewire it in so many ways it is just ridiculous. This is how the Cybrans will be created. Transhumanism is gay; Posthumanism is serious. Circumcision is brain-change technology. Taste, flavor, smell, pain, will be disabled at birth not unlike how the NSA disables the Management Engine.

Do not be a nigger monkey.

https://invidio.us/channel/sexcounselor

>Why A Cuckold Relationship May Not Work With Your Wife

>MINDGASM Is It Real Or Not?

Welp, whoregasms are real alright.

>Male Chastity Answering Your Questions

>Straight Man Aroused By A Penis

https://invidio.us/watch?v=tBlXvNQVD4s BBC Horizon 2006 Human v2.0

https://invidio.us/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Cinematic Trailer

We the gaynigger transniggers have already built the GQAI–Gaynigger Quantum Artilect. For tailored recommendations, feel free to send your browsing history to negroes@cumallover.me

http://aspergia.wikia.com/wiki/Aspergia_Wiki

http://riddick.wikia.com/wiki/Ascension_Protocol

>It's also the first time in my life I live on my own (I'm quite young).

Learn how to use Qubes. You know we the elder gayniggers have our eyes on your asses.

I like you already, very few people can sleep on the floor and be happy. Ahmadinejad did that. Now the next step is to embrace your inner homosexuality, and a whole new world awaits you. The Technoccult Homosexual Theocracy welcomes you.

tl;dr just listen to everything Michael Aquino.

https://www.wanttoknow.info/war/nazi_technology_war_secrets_2p ctrl+f positively ionized air THIS SHIT IS WHAT BLACK MAGIC REALLY IS ALL ABOUT

https://invidio.us/search?q=kai+fu+lee u mad gwai lo? we chinee astarte now, u be good little magickian, eeehehehehe

Most "people" want to maintain a captive audience through brain-dirtying. Brainwash yourself regularly lest you fall into dogmatism.

https://invidio.us/channel/UCVlEfVl5xtp2nli4_2CXQKA Monetary Institute

https://invidio.us/channel/INETeconomics

https://invidio.us/watch?v=rFgTvfDTdfw George Soros: 10 Years After the Crash

40k: Heretek, Hell-Forge, Imperial Bionics

It is better to Die for the Emperor than live for yourself and be a phonecuck.

Our Strength of Conviction reflects His Purpose of Will.

By the Emperor's Name, let no phonecuck survive.


 No.127453

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>>127444

This. Most of those books there are just noise that will further obscure the perception of any true knowledge. Avoid Atkinson, tarot, Theosophy, Qabbalah, astrology and neopaganism of all sorts.

Evola's spiritual books are nice, but ultimately are the workings of a scholar and neophyte rather than practitioner. With that said though, his book The Doctrine of Awakening is the best introductory text to Buddhism I've encountered. If you're into the dry path you should next check out the works of Nan Huai-Chin, a contemporary master who was certified as enlightened by multiple schools.

Kali Kaula is a nice book on your list as well. Great starting place for an introduction to the wet path. Mark Dyczkowski is a highly commended author who has been studying and practicing in this field for decades now, and his work on Kashmir Shaivism would be a nice place to venture next if you liked Kali Kaula.

You should probably ignore 99% of the stuff you read on this board as well. The stuff here tends to produce schizo recluses, not enlightened ubermensch.


 No.127455

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>>127453

>Evola's spiritual books are nice, but ultimately are the workings of a scholar and neophyte rather than practitioner

lol no


 No.127457

>>127453

By "dry" and "wet" paths I imagine you're referring to right and left hand. I'm more interested in the former. Can you recommend more books?

>>127444

I've read Jung and Evola is on the list for a reason, I'd touch Serrano only after going through Evola, Guenon and Devi.


 No.127460

>>127457

>Yoga Sutras with the commentary of Swami Satchitananda

>Working Toward Enlightenment, To Realize Enlightenment, Tao and Longevity- all by Nan Huai-Chin

>The Sixth Patriarch's Platform Sutra

Master Nan also taught a westerner by the name of Bill Bodri who runs the website meditationexpert.com and there's a lot of good resources there as well. All of these should easily give you a good idea of where to continue with your studies and practice once you encounter something you like and that works.

You might be attracted to the ideas of Advaita Vedanta as well, as that's another right hand and very very dry school. Presently I'm reading my third translation of the Ashtavakra Gita, though honestly the more I learn of it, the less it seems to appeal to me.

>>127455

Fair enough. I haven't read his material on Hermeticism at all, nor his autobiography, so it's unfair of me to be calling him a non-practitioner. With Shakta at least though it would have been damn near impossible for him to have access to much useful information, given the era he lived in, even with his correspondence with Sir John Woodroffe.


 No.127467

Sometimes I ponder if the best form of self-improvement is to keep an active journal or log on one's life, of one's ambitions, and most importantly, of one's spiritual process. Everyone wants to boast about what esoteric readings they have done, no one wants to boast of what they have made.


 No.127472

I'm sure you got some good books lined up but in my opinion the first two books you should read are Liber Null and Psychonaut (just get the copy with both in one book) and then Liber Kaos. A complete slap in the face to all dogmatism, those two books acted essentially as my bible for quite some time. I probably flick through them at least once a month still.


 No.127473

>>127467

The demographics of 8chan are primarily young men in their 20s. Not many of us have accomplishments of note that are worth writing a book about yet.


 No.127479

File: 8d5bfcd918b5835⋯.png (159.02 KB, 764x744, 191:186, 1.png)


 No.127485

>>127479

>calls everything trash

>immediately proceeds to recommend Atkinson

Yikes, my dude.


 No.127486

>>127479

That's the one, thanks.

>>127485

Is he that terrible?

Mind you, I'm mostly looking for whatever overlap there is between things posted here or in other books in order to piece together some kind of a foolproof method that works for myself.

I've had some success, but it either didn't go far enough or I dropped it because I felt the method simply didn't suit me.


 No.127493

>>127486

>Is he that terrible?

Bardon is worse. Big words and fake intellectualism to overcomplexify simple practices. Both were egocentric, pretentious, fat mundanes who made cash selling shitty books, like every other "occultist"=snake oil salesman.


 No.127494

>>127485

>>127493

At least name someone better.


 No.127500

>>127486

>Is he that terrible?

He's the equivalent of those people on Amazon who sell dozens of shitty books for your Kindle at $2 a pop.

Pumping out these books was an easy paycheck; he literally wrote a hundred of them, under several pseudonyms. That's why they're all overly verbose and padded out, people got payed per word back in those days. Sometimes he gets some things right by virtue of borrowing from more sophisticated traditions, but that's about it.

He was cashing in on New Age thought which was really popular around that time, nothing more nothing less.

He himself was also incredibly mundane and had no attainments to speak of.

Bardon is also trash for that matter, like that other fellow mentioned. Overweight and couldn't kick his smoking addiction but pretended to have Jesus-tier powers, that's all you need to know about that LARPer.

>>127494

All 'occult workbooks' are relatively poor and I'd recommend everyone stay away from them. The ones that approach being half decent are basically meditation manuals with astral projection instructions but with a bunch of nonsense added to them. At that point you're just better of reading a book specifically dedicated to meditation and a book specifically dedicated to astral projection.

The thing with magic is that any successful practice is contingent on your mental faculties being developed (primarily the faculties of concentration and willpower).

If you can't concentrate for a prolonged period of time -and I mean genuine concentration- or get into trance (i.e. a meditative state) then you're precluded from pretty much doing anything that's worthwhile (doing it consistently and at will, at least).

And if you are at that intermediate state where you DO posses these qualities, then there's little value a book can provide you with.

Because of this fact, occult books are almost entirely written by LARPers because real magicians know there's nothing to write about. If there's on thing that poster from the image got right it's that '95% of the journey is practice'.

Also, let us remind ourselves of the meaning of the word 'occult'; it's 'hidden'. It's foolish to think you can find the juicy things in some flimsy book somewhere, or on some stupid internet forum.


 No.127502

>>127473

I don't see how that interferes. Sometimes the most straight forward answers come from young mouths. Isn't it nice to reflect upon youthful thoughts and see how they've changed over time? How do you think books like the Kybalion are actually written? Once over the course of a person's life or rewritten hundreds of times and refined each go.


 No.127505

>>127500

what about Robert Bruce? His book "astral dynamics" and his obe course are pretty legit right? he also has some seemingly advanced insights on kundalini. In fact what he has written about negative spirits, obe and kundalini and all that stuff is the least larpy and has the most concrete information I have ever encountered in a book. It appears to me that his book is basically all you need because with his techniques you can attain all psychic powers and self control you ever need, and of course the most important is astral projection. There are basically only 2 things you must do: 1.quiet the mind and 2. get your energy going. That's basically the recepy for everything worthwile in the occult and he does a good job explaining this and giving techniques.

Or what, will you redpill me on how he is shit too?


 No.127509

Atkinson isn't bad. Neither is Bardon.

Atkinson books contain hermetic knowledge concerning the power of consciousness, subtle energies, self-improvement, and self-mastery. Classic and foundational texts on this subject, back when formerly secret society knowledge was given the green light to be presented to the public.

Bardon was experienced in occult pathologies and useful advice for treating them can be gleaned from his book.


 No.127534

>>127505

The things contained in his material are legit insofar they teach the fundamental skills (relaxation, concentration, good framework for astral projection, etc.) but I don't know about the man himself.

First of, he charges exorbitant prices for his courses, and he has several of them. This indicates that he hasn't managed to leverage any of his powers into financial gain. You'd think an accomplished occult practitioner would be able to solve the financial issue through other means, and then disseminate his knowledge rather cheaply, because he wants to help as many people as possible (and if not, why are you writing all these books and creating all these courses in the first place?).

Secondly, he has a large focus on the aspects of the occult that are ripe for self delusion. Astral projection is a very important tool, but it can also be a way for you to go off into fantasy land every night. Energy work can be useful, but it can also be a way for you to delude yourself into thinking that you're a master wizard just because you can feel some funny stuff inside your body. Not to speak of the other stuff Robert Bruce dabbles in like 'psychic defense' and 'higher self' shenanigans. Does Robert Bruce live in fantasy land where he pretends to be a wizard, or is he the real deal? I don't know.

And the last thing: he's bald and he looks his age. That means he's not leveraging his abilities into longevity/immortality. I won't hold that against him, because that's some next level shit and you can still be an accomplished magician without being immortal of course, but it nevertheless goes to show that his system doesn't take you to that level (but I'm almost certain not a single system accessible to the public takes you that far, so again, I won't hold it against him).

AP'ing every night and feeling funky energy sensations is nice and all, but at the end of the day magic is about effecting tangible change in the physical world; can Robert Bruce do that to an appreciable level? I don't know.


 No.127546

>>127534

In regards to the physical form I'm going to quote Evola-

<At the level of pure yoga, the acquisition of powers is concomitant with the natural loss of all the instincts and passions that would induce a pashu (animal) to employ them. The yogin has no interest in such activities, apart from specific circumstances

An enlightened being wouldn't care about rejuvenating the flesh because he is not the flesh. A master would not display power carelessly because he's no longer an ensnared animal bound by the opinions and recognition of others.


 No.127547

>>127546

Ah yes, the battle cry of every bullshit occultist since the dawn of man 'I'm powerless because I'm a level 7 ascended master so I'm beyond using my powers, trust me bro!!!'.

I don't care about religious superstitions, I care about magic, and magic is causing tangible, effective change according to your will in the physical world. If you can't do that, I don't care; you can go be an enlightened being somewhere else.


 No.127549

>>127547

Robert Bruce didn't care about semen retention so it's no surprise he went bald. He claimed masturbation can be benefitial and also he has a wife and kids.

However I cannot blame him if he doesn't care for immortality. Where did this stupid ass crap came from on fringe lately? Do you think being immortal is so awesome? have fun stuck in this shithole longer than necessary. This is real stockholm syndrome when people try to achieve immortality or at least superior health to be imprisoned in the flesh even longer and to dwell amongs filthy braindead retards even longer. I don't blame Bardon and Bruce for not being "lvl 9999 immortal godmasters" because tbh I'd rather fuck off into the astral myself asap. Immortality of the flesh is bullshit


 No.127552

>>127549

Being imprisoned by flesh implies you're powerless or otherwise subjugated. Suppose for a moment you were immortal and could not be killed by anyone or anything, your need for sustenance ceased, and you were free from all physical ills; at what point are you imprisoned in this equation? It is the people that are subject to all these things that are the ones imprisoned. Moreover, at that level of attainment, you can decide to come and go at your leisure anyway. It is the exact opposite of being imprisoned.

You also seem to have a naive idea of life after death and the astral. You think once you're dead, that's it? It's all fun and games from then on? If you're not careful you might end up in a place even worse than this. Also, the idea that it's the flesh that's some how the problem is again misguided. There are non-physical entities (i.e. 'free from flesh') that are subject to a large amount of suffering all the same.

The whole flesh/spirit, physical/non-physical dichotomy is misguided anyway. It's all one and the same thing, we just differentiate for semantic convenience. Your 'physical' here and now body, is about as real as the body you experienced having while dreaming tonight.

And finally:

>and to dwell amongs filthy braindead retards

I wouldn't be so judgemental. You're not too dissimilar from the people you seem to decry.


 No.127561

>>127547

>Ah yes, the battle cry of every bullshit occultist since the dawn of man 'I'm powerless because I'm a level 7 ascended master so I'm beyond using my powers, trust me bro!!!'

I wasn't claiming Robert Bruce, Atkinson, Bardon or myself to be an ascended master at all. That quote from Evola was merely expressing the sentiment that human beings who are controlled by their desires are still operating on a low level, and that on the road to the acquisition of power these base desires tend to be lost before any true power is attained.

>I don't care about religious superstitions, I care about magic, and magic is causing tangible, effective change according to your will in the physical world

You'll probably achieve far greater results in the physical world using your right and left hands rather than jacking off onto a sigil tbqh


 No.127562

>>127561

>I wasn't claiming Robert Bruce, Atkinson, Bardon or myself to be an ascended master at all.

Neither was I.

>That quote from Evola was merely expressing the sentiment that [….]

Yes, and I'm precisely saying that this sentiment is bullshit occultism that has been around for thousands of years. It's a nice bit of religious superstition, but has little to do with actual magic. (Evola is also a primo bullshit occulist, for that matter -whatever he has to say is of little value).

>You'll probably achieve far greater results in the physical world using your right and left hands rather than jacking off onto a sigil tbqh

What's next? You're going to tell me that magic has to operate according to the laws of physics -or better yet that it's all psychological? You'd think we'd be beyond these mundane assertions in a place like this. Sigil magick is nonsense as well, while we're at it.


 No.127563

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

There is a difference between bullshit occultism and real, actual 'magic'.


 No.127564

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

But does /fringe/ now?


 No.127565

>>127549

You think you're not coming back with all your memories wiped? That's confident.

If anyone legit ever seeks immortality is because they understand it's much easier to transcend this hellhole if you're allowed to work on it for more than 50 years straight.


 No.127566

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 No.127567

>>127546

It seems Evola didn't know about the Taoist masters who killed entire villages out of spite.

That's a very Platonic view, thinking that skill and virtue go hand in hand. But outside of the Greco-Roman sphere of influence, it's a fantasy.

>>127549

Another European fantasy (this time thanks to the influence of the Church) is that the flesh is something to be cast off and to liberate from. Nothing furthest from the truth: in order to get out of here, you're going to have to INTEGRATE body, mind and spirit. Until you do so, you're going to keep coming back.


 No.127569

>>127562

>Yes, and I'm precisely saying that this sentiment is bullshit occultism that has been around for thousands of years. It's a nice bit of religious superstition, but has little to do with actual magic

Calling common ideas shared by multiple religious traditions going back millenia "bullshit occultism" is ridiculous. You yourself said that the development of the mental faculties, in particular concentration is the primary means to using magic. Concentrative meditation is called "Shamatha" in Sanskrit and means literally "[the] cooling [or slowing] of the mind". In other words as one develops concentration they're also simultaneously ridding the mind of all irrelevant content, including desire. Even the Corpus Hermeticum says it directly and without any coyness- desire is the cause of death.

>What's next? You're going to tell me that magic has to operate according to the laws of physics -or better yet that it's all psychological? You'd think we'd be beyond these mundane assertions in a place like this. Sigil magick is nonsense as well, while we're at it.

What I'm saying is that my physical form is a direct avatar of my will in the physical realm, and for performing physical actions it's the best tool I have at my disposal. To try and use magical means for mundane pursuits is misguided, like trying to hammer a nail with a phillips screwriver. It's possible, but there are better options.


 No.127570

>>127569

>To try and use magical means for mundane pursuits is misguided

Why?


 No.127571

>>127565

>You think you're not coming back with all your memories wiped?

Nope, that's just false belief. It makes sense this religious bullshit gets spread to brainwash and scare the common people.

>transcend this hellhole

Same false belief. There is nothing here to transcend, you just walk away.

>>127567

>you're going to keep coming back.

Same crap. I see the jews have done great work on the common sheeple.


 No.127572

>>127569

>Calling common ideas shared by multiple religious traditions going back millenia "bullshit occultism" is ridiculous

There's nothing ridiculous about it. Stop appealing to authority, and start thinking for your self. I'm sure you've heard this from your mom before: 'if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?'.

More than that, if it's a commonly held belief by multiple religions that's all the more reason to not believe it.

>as one develops concentration they're also simultaneously ridding the mind of all irrelevant content, including desire

Seeing as you're so religiously minded, you'd think you'd notice that religions prescribe a host of other regulations as well in their path to enlightenment, exactly because concentration alone is supposedly not enough. If concentration alone eradicated desire the Noble Eightfold path would have been 'Onefold', and there'd be only one rung of yoga, etc. If you've practiced yourself, and/or have associated with practitioners of meditation, you'd know that you can reach high levels of concentration/meditation without regard for morality or tempering desires and the likes. This is especially evident in the last couple of years when jhana practice saw a rise in popularity on internet forums and the likes. It is perfectly possible to have the mental faculties honed enough for magical practice without meeting some arbitrary moral standard -the Montalk fellow above me mentioned it as well.

>[…]and for performing physical actions it's the best tool I have at my disposal.

Hardly. Do we really need to go through all the psychic abilities that could grant you power far surpassing what you could do with the body alone, and how extremely convenient that would be? You also seem to be operating under the religiously indoctrinated idea that there's something 'bad' or 'unnatural' about these abilities. 'What's the point of deadlifting 3x times your own bodyweight? Just stay weak and atrophied, it's fine'.

There's nothing misguided about claiming your innate power. In fact, it's the only thing that's sensible.


 No.127574

>>127571

I went for the easy model of reincarnation because I didn’t want to have to explain to you even another concept that is involved in your mistaken view of the usefulness of immortality. However I welcome the opportunity to put my gnosis into words.

If you are lucky enough or have worked enough on it, the “energies” that conform “you” will be cohesive enough for something that can remotely be called your spirit to reincarnate with no memory, only karma, as a starting point for your next attempt at growth. If not, as is the case with the majority of souls, you will essentially cease to exist in any meaningful way because “you” (your mind) will dissolve into its component energies (emotions, traits, customs, traumas, habits, impulses), which will reassemble again according to karmic law to form one or more newly reincarnated souls, or attach to already incarnate ones.

I’m well aware that if you had troble accepting reincarnation before, I’ve amped the cognitive dissonance to eleven with what I’ve tried to explain. In any event, I’m sorry (really am), but you don’t simply “walk away”. The universe is wuite the brutal evolution machine, not some kind of game.


 No.127576

>>127574

I reject your reality and substitute my own.


 No.127577

>>127574

Source?


 No.127581

>>127577

It’s a working theory built up over years of reading and practice. It fits all available evidence so far, but it’s entirely possible there are details that need revising. A good starting point would be Novak’s Lost Secret of Death I think, but you’re going to have to do your own research.


 No.127583

>>127581

After that you can go straight in and research ancient Egyptian knowledge about the nature of the soul and Tibetan afterlife to a lesser extent. Keep as close as possible to the primary texts to avoid modern interpretations.


 No.127616

File: 4dd2be79535fb66⋯.jpg (294.69 KB, 1280x1836, 320:459, tumblr_nqfhgxMVEd1u6yscvo1….jpg)

BUMP MOTHERFUCKERS


 No.128541

>>127569

>To try and use magical means for mundane pursuits is misguided

But everything IS magick you silly mundane.




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