/monarchy/ - Monarchy

Freemason operation, just like the French Revolution.

>>59

It's interesting to note that George Washington (a freemason) spoke about the Illuminati infiltrating European freemasonry, and that it could infiltrate freemasonry in America as well. Of course, I don't think they are terribly different organizations. The American Revolution, which Washington was a part of, largely helped to serve the Illuminati; and freemasonry was mostly already under its control. Makes me wonder where Washington's loyalties lied. Or maybe he just didn't know what master he was serving.

>>84

>Implying constitutional monarchs have no power.

>>49

Their grievances against parliament were legitimate. They were not receiving their legal rights as Englishmen. It's not illegitimate to rebel against an unjust state.

>>84

>tfw no House of Washington watching over us

Honestly, it was an impressively clean revolution compared to many others. It did have its benefits, and widely changed the spectrum of governments. It's new-age philosophies have shaped the modern world. The revolution itself is neither bad, nor good, just hugely influential. The effects of it can be widely debated on how hurtful it was, but this is a whole other debate on top of that.

>>49

Also, I like my home state, Arkansas, much better than I like America right now. But it's not like every country in the world hasn't done bad things.

>>113

Yes, I think your point on taxation is really important. I've heard from some sources that leading up to the revolution, the average British citizen was paying as much as 25 times higher in taxes than the average American. If I remember correctly, one of the later Tea Acts from the 1760's actually LOWERED the the tax on tea for the Americans. Certainly there's an argument to be made that the colonists weren't receiving their full political rights, but don't think for a moment that the revolution was due to excessive taxation.

Never should have happened, the only reason it did was because of the terrible decline of the monarchy. I'm going to be flying my union jack flag this fourth of july ~*edgy*~

I liked the part where they tried to free Canada a few years later and this ended up with the white house being burned down and the British training Indian tribes to raid the colonies.

>>124

I know it's due to other things, too, but I think the taxation was the main driving force, right?

Remember, the war was initially to fight for their rights as Englishmen. It wasn't until later on it became a war of independence.

Arguably, it could be justified, since the British government wasn't acting in a just manner towards the colonies. But it's definitely a rare exception, not the rule, for rebellions.

>>183

The most common phrase before the revolution was "No taxation without representation". Taxes would have been ignored if the Crown made sure the colonies got their representation.

It was an unjust insurrection. Excellent presentation of the Loyalist argument at this link: https://radishmag.wordpress.com/2013/02/01/american-rebellion/

The war was decided not by the colonists, but by France, Prussia, the Netherlands (and I think Spain may have played a part as well). The thirteen colonies simply served as a proxy war for Britain's enemies to make the empire suffer; I imagine the French crown thought this would be excellent revenge for the Seven Years' War. Talk about blowback

I honestly despise the US. If I could, I'd rip Lincoln and Madison's throats out.

t. Born and raised in the US of Gay

>>59

Also this

>>84

Hamilton may have been saying it to take an extreme position to help Madison during the Convention. Though Hamilton was definitely for some form of pseudo-aristocracy/nobility like most Federalists.

Shame really, there's probably good alternate history to write regarding America with a Golden Freedom-esque system.

>>86

This

In a constitutional monarchy, the only thing with a higher authority than the king is the constitution

>>60

Unfortunately, you don't need to be a Freemason to be a republicuck.

President Washington only ever went to two meetings and, later in life, disavowed the organisation.

>>255

Filth, T.B.H.

>>113

I agree.

It's also worth mentioning that the United States wasn't even a "democracy" for a long time after the revolution. They based their country on the English system, Magna Carta, Habeas Corpus, and the House of Lords. In this way it was distinctly different from the French Revolution.

Rather than being allies, they chose to be enemies. They still are Britain's enemy to this day.

>>49

English Civil War part two. Whigs were butthurt that Cromwell sucked, and they wanted a republic back. That's why you hear the Loyalists called Tories but never the rebels called Whigs (because it would have been really bad for the Whigs in London). Interesting to note that a lot of the Brit generals were Whigs, and maybe that's why they fought like shit. As far as the taxes and such, The 13 colonies had some of the most lax colonial laws in the entire empire. If I remember right, there were even a couple colonies who didn't have to send their laws to Britain to be approved. They were basically sovereign. The whole revolution was a huge mistake, essentially.