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48f553 No.1979

In short I was wondering if the two could be compatible or at least Christianity could learn from Nietzsche. The only conflict I foresee is master and slave mentality, but Christians should know that God loves them and made them in his image. He wants us to enjoy earth and it's pleasures, with some restraint. When Nietzsche said "God is dead" he wasn't saying that it was a good thing. Rather he was saying it was bad, as science robbed "passionate, Dionysian spirituality that lent life vitality and meaning". Nietzsche also know religion provided a psychological comfort to humans.

1d6cac No.1981

No, not at all. Nietzsche is antipodal to Christianity, also to any notion of comfort in religion, which is merely the comfort of the weak in satisfying their resentment by postulating eternal damnation to their masters. The death of God, and the denial of ideals, might be a problem if one turns towards nihilism, but it certainly wasn't one in the sense of the death of the Christian God. Read aphorisms 14 and later, from Genealogy of Morals.

>—"They [the Christians] are miserable, no doubt of it, all these mutterers and nook counterfeiters, although they crouch warmly together—but they tell me their misery is a sign of being chosen by God; one beats the dog one likes best; perhaps this misery is also a preparation, a testing, a schooling, perhaps it is even more—something that will one day be made good and recompensed with interest, with huge payments of gold, no! of happiness. This they call 'bliss.'"

http://users.compaqnet.be/cn127103/Nietzsche_on_the_genealogy_of_morals/on_the_genealogy_of_morals.htm


adc212 No.2000

I want to get into Nietzsche, and am familiar with summaries of what he wrote, but he wrote a lot, and i don't want to read every single thing he ever wrote for a summary of his views. What is a good entry book, equivalent to Plato's the Republic as a magnum optus?


fafd04 No.2001

>>2000

The Genealogy of Morals is the easiest to read imo.


14256f No.2066

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>>1979

Nietzsche's biggest gripe with Christianity was it turned the moral paradigm on it's head.

For example; you typically see poor people being more forgiving, kind, non-judgemental, and selfless than the rich. Doesn't sound like it could work out well but it does, why? Religion. Keeps people preoccupied, convinces them to keep doing these good deeds for the betterment of a soul, it really is an opiate of the mass dulling the rage and basic urges inside them.

There was once a time when the royals and magistrates were much more bound to concepts of honor and virtue than peasants. Peasants were street urchins and not expected to have much moral fiber. But as the very concept of capital ownership changed, so did the morals.

"The church is the graveyard of the godman" I like this quote particularly by Nietzsche because it is a surreal way of pointing out the church will convince you never to be as god and that means limitless as far as your morality goes.

What's to stop God from doing good or evil? Nothing. Hence beyond good and evil. God could be justice, God could be corruption, God could be benevolent, God could be a dick. No one tells God what to be or when to be it.

Obviously no man is literally as God in this regard. Physical and societal/emotional limitations will happen on some level. But for the rich this is far less. They do whatever the fuck they want and people just go right along with it. I mean hell, I could come back to moderators that you have this group of people who do noting but commit crimes, sit around in their mom's basements, probably fapping to the child porn they can spot on /hebe/...

But people praise them for abusing some poor sap. "Mods=gods" and other disgusting worship of utter pieces of shit who would ban you and treat you poorly just as easily. They're worthless and despicable, yet people love them. They project their own wishes to be a wreckless sociopath onto these moderators and admire them.

We have the potential to be gods, and yet most men who stop confining themselves to morality choose to be devils.


5a1f99 No.2072

>>1979

God gave us freedom to Choose, thus breaking the 'master and slave' mentality. Religion does institute it, however.

But that is more of a societal issue than dogmatic.


fafd04 No.2073

>>2072

>God gave us freedom to Choose


5c543a No.2074

>>2073

>there can be no giving

>it's slavery!

He designed us so that we could choose, prior to our existence.*

Better?

Besides, with that logic, will to power is extreme slavery anyway...


adc212 No.2075

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>>1979

The study of philosophy leads away from religion, my boy.


1bd7b4 No.2089

>>1979

It's easy. Overcome man in your christianity instead of being his worst expression. simple as that


784e91 No.2121

>>1979

Not at all

'God is dead' refers to god not as a living being, but as a set of moral values

The enlightenment killed god, showing us he doesn't exist. The negative aspects was not simply that god is dead, but that we are "put on the rope between animal and the superman". Nietszche considers christians nothing more than mindless animals, doing things because "god told them to"

The superman, according to nietzsche, is man ascending to the level of god. However, the superman is NOT the dominant enslaver of the weak, this is the worst misinterpretation there is. Only a fool could read "niether master nor slave" and arrive at such a conclusion. The superman isn't the strong mastering the weak, but rather all mankind becoming strong.


65cb73 No.2173




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