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Make RWBY Great Again

File: 597c9a1dd5cd93f⋯.png (932.28 KB, 1000x562, 500:281, Make_Atlas_Great_Again.png)

64ff95 No.34417

Well, here we are boys.

>Blake trying to take over the WF, but many see the more violent version doing pushing their own agendas forward and resist Blake. despite the fact they turned violent instantly after the change in leadership and Blake herself admits that progress was made

>Weiss' now truly on her own, and will eventually be forced to not use dust, and have to dodge any Atlas aligned people.

>RNJR will… do… something?

>Yang's PTSD triggers screw her up or screws her over in some way on the way to Ruby.

>The Shota Shell will continue to morph into Ozpin

>Irondong making Atlas great again on a personal note, I pray to god that this backfires on RT.

If you want to suffer in real time with other people, Here's a link to the 8chan RWBY discord: https://discord.gg/Nend96d

And if you want to help make something, Check out the VN that some of us are making: https://discord.gg/YzesC2T

Right then, let's get this shit-storm a rollin'.

64ff95 No.34419

RNJR will get tricked by Salem's goons and Prof. Lionheart but Ruby will use her silver eye powers to take them all out and get the relic, which will give her even more powers or something equally as stupid.

64ff95 No.34431

File: 6d40a176d340b90⋯.png (518.66 KB, 1024x573, 1024:573, 19ecd524720f86616dfcf03356….png)

The ante will be upped unnecessarily.

64ff95 No.34433

Someone needs to make a new bingo board. We almost got Season 4: bingoes would have been had on "Renora Kiss", "Juane activates his semblance", or "Adam takes off his mask". I am hoping on the latter two, any episode now.

Though, the final one will probably happen when the One-armed Badass and Depression Kitty get revenge, and that may be put off a season. As I think about it, it may be put off until the finale. The upset I hope for, but won't happen, is that Weiss offs Adam in a gambit for a hostile takeover of Schnee Dust Company. Is there a better way to show the shareholders and board that you have the Company's interests at heart?

64ff95 No.34435

>I think we'll see Penny, or a "sister" of her's, join Ironwood's MAGA fight.

>Raven will attack…something, and Ruby and/or Yang will fight her (Mostly likely Yang).

>Weiss may decide to find Neptune.

>Salem will do fuck all, again. She really hasn't done anything except talk, look disappointed, and just mess everyone.

>Yang has a brief reminder that she has PTSD, that she swiftly forgets.

>Blake will end up with Yang (All the signs are there). If it doesn't happen this season, then one of the future seasons.

That's all my crystal ball can muster at the moment.

64ff95 No.34439

File: 98d92058cc0b033⋯.png (42.46 KB, 960x720, 4:3, vol 5 bingo.png)

>>34433

It's not fancy, but here's my attempt. Tell me if I should change anything.

Don't know what to put for the last couple boxes., I ran out of predictable ideas.

64ff95 No.34441

File: 6d01141fc94f57e⋯.jpg (38.2 KB, 392x495, 392:495, 6d01141fc94f57eac52db5bee0….jpg)

>>34439

You forgot the Blake runs away box

64ff95 No.34442

>>34439

-Pyhrra returns

-wor videos aren't relevant to the plot in any way

64ff95 No.34443

File: 5f384b11177ab00⋯.jpg (24.28 KB, 180x180, 1:1, 1486031476966.jpg)

Possible bingo slots

>Plot absolutely go nowhere

>Merc and Em joins the good guys

>Lesser fights

>Continue to explain instead of showing it

64ff95 No.34446

File: 5a5424b95bd3b66⋯.png (48.59 KB, 960x720, 4:3, vol 5 bingo fin.png)

>>34443

>>34442

>>34441

64ff95 No.34447

>>34446

One more suggestion…

>The McGuffins replace the maidens

>no "show don't tell" in writing

64ff95 No.34450

File: 000b12bb0020cb9⋯.png (50.31 KB, 960x720, 4:3, vol 5 bingo fin for reals.png)

>>34447

64ff95 No.34451

>>34435

>Blake will end up with Yang (All the signs are there). If it doesn't happen this season, then one of the future seasons.

NO FUCK YOU, I WILL FUCKING MURDER MILES AND KERRY FOR WRITING IT, BURNIE FOR ENCOURAGING THIS FILTH, YOU FOR JINXING IT, AND EVERYONE ELSE TO MAKE ABSOLUTE SURE NOBODY BRINGS IT BACK, EXCEPT SHANE UNLESS HE APPROVES OF IT, IN WHICH CASE I'LL ASK HIM TO GIVE MONTY MY REGARDS BEFORE I GO NOTHIN PERSONNEL ON THAT COCKSUCKER

64ff95 No.34452

File: 54994e3584dd803⋯.png (919.59 KB, 1000x562, 500:281, purple bandana around leg.png)

File: 7c63fb37ce17082⋯.png (263.28 KB, 820x358, 410:179, purple.png)

>>34451

Mane, it's in stone. You'll need to go nothing personnel through spacetime to eradicate the concept itself. If there isn't, there's going to be R34 of Yang fingerfucking Blake with that robot arm on vibrate soon.

If you do unlock the mysteries of spacetime, go save Monty and forewarn him of what his legacy will stagnate to. Warn him of Sheena. Give him data pertaining to the stock market or other money markets so he can generate his own funds to let him make RWBY free of RoosterTeeth's cash cuckery. Tattoo a horse cock on Miles' forehead.

64ff95 No.34454

I agree they'll do the lesbo relationship for fan-pandering & virtue signalling, and everyone good in the series will just roll with it (maybe a brief initial shock for comedic effect). I'd like to see it one-sided for once. A gay character falling hard for a straight character, and all the mess that follows. It'd be fascinating, and it gets a rise out of the audience- which is all the writers care about now

I'm willing to bet on (if not this season than the next):

> Season 5 takes a break and we get another season of RWBY Chibi. The animators can spend more time learning how to do their job, and the writers can think of the most "shocking" bullshit they can muster and tie it together, and look up more false stories about Trump to add to their story in a non-subtle way carefully consider their next step.

> Flying Monkey Grimm.

> While nothing happens, Ruby still gets the most plot and screentime. The other girls get their fractions of a story- though what happens on paper most might be with other girls, Ruby's will feel the least boring.

> Lionheart aids Salem by aiding in causing chaos/covering up who does it so the relic/maiden powers are easier to steal (as oppose to just sneaking the relic out as he's the only one who knows it exists & it's location).

> Adam is seen, but flees as the White Fang falls. You'll get a fight, but not the big fight.

> Just as Blake takes over the White Fang, they're false flagged (by human "extremists" or Adam's sect). Somehow news of this spreads quickly to the world.

> Blake's Dad or even Mom dies. This cements them as against extremist Faunus. Or, humans trying to stop the "White Fang uprising" kill them thinking they're Adam's Sect- causing the other parent to become more agreeable to Adam's ideals (despite the logic that betrays).

> The Faunus slave mine owner works with Adam's sect. Adam has "disagreeable" Faunus shipped off to the mines so only those who follow him remain. Likewise the mine funds/supplies Adam's crew so people hate Faunus and no one complains/digs deeply into the slave accusations. To prevent the audience calling out how illogical this is; they'll hate each other and be planning to betray the other.

> Weiss is shocked at how poor poor-people are. Atlus isn't a booming technological utopia, but a harsh class divide dystopia. Despite what WoR vids showed us.

> Ironwood will be portrayed as desperate and sympathetic. RTs idea of being "neutral" will to claim that even good people can be driven to evil (looking after your own nation) thanks to outside events kicking up paranoia (legitimate concerns- whether it's Salem or a third-party underling she manipulates). He'll have his doubts. Maybe even Penny 2.0 will ask questions until Ironwood sees a flaw in his logic and frustratedly tries to dismiss it.

> Not to mention their neutrality and subtly will wain as more Fake News stories come out about Trump and illegals. Though I could be wrong. RT is a business first and foremost. Even Marvel Comics is stepping back from politics. I can see Burnie demanding a veto on it in any "big" production, while smaller podcasts and shows can get away with it.

> Ironwood will fight Weiss. After the fight and a speech by Weiss this makes Ironwood see the light (but having doubts all along) and he orders the gates to be open. ("That'll show those Alt-Right freaks! We'll build up Ironwood as a hero to them, then have him convert to our side! Being neutral is easier than we thought.")

> Jacque dies/is indisposed, Watley takes over Schnee Dust Company. He throws his weight around far more liberally than Jacque did- perhaps even overriding Ironwood's order to open the gate, or ordering deportation for people on paper-thin terms (because then that means all deportation IRL is illegitimate).

> References to season 1 and 2. Yang runs into Junior and his girls, reference to past lines like "Queen of the castle" or "Break his legs".

I also agree with other theories posted here.

64ff95 No.34455

File: 508614e4510bf23⋯.gif (83.98 KB, 403x392, 403:392, 508614e4510bf23496408f8109….gif)

File: 330c1719dfe1ff2⋯.gif (159.58 KB, 400x388, 100:97, 330c1719dfe1ff2cc0fd55e84e….gif)

File: db48ce461e64011⋯.gif (1.65 MB, 480x481, 480:481, db48ce461e6401196588f9e17f….gif)

>>34435

FUCK THAT SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I WILL PERSONALLY ESCORT MILES AND KERRY TO THE GATES OF HELL IF THIS HAPPENS

YANG LIKES BOYS

64ff95 No.34456

>>34452

>what his legacy will stagnate to

With the kind of person Monty was, as long as there are people working tirelessly to make things because of him, his legacy hasn't stagnated. RWBY might have been his magnum opus, but it won't be his ultimate legacy.

64ff95 No.34457

>>34455

What do these digits mean?

64ff95 No.34458

>>34457

Kek has spoken

YANG LIKES BOYS

64ff95 No.34459

>>34458

But, that doesn't account for what they'll do with Blake. I guess that means they'll either have her do what this anon is talking about:

>>34454

>I'd like to see it one-sided for once. A gay character falling hard for a straight character, and all the mess that follows. It'd be fascinating, and it gets a rise out of the audience- which is all the writers care about now

Or, they go for the Checkmate shipping.

64ff95 No.34460

>>34454

>Burnie vetoing

This is the same cuck that went on Chris Hardwick's circlejerk posed as a "comedy" game show and made a mansplaining joke. He'd be plotting the firing of anyone who DIDN'T want to go with it!

>>34457

It confirms that if Bumbleby is canon, that anon and I go The Mercenaries on those fuckers.

IN THE NAME OF BEST GIRL

64ff95 No.34461

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

64ff95 No.34462

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>34460

they don't get to fuck with best waifu and get away with it.

64ff95 No.34463

>Wheatley aggressively takes over the Dust Company from his father and turns the evil up to an eleven, Winter returns asking where Weiss is before promptly being exiled from Atlas for asking too many questions

>Qrow talks to Lionheart and figures something is off

>a plan orchestrated by Dr Watts causes at least half of RNJR or Qrow to get knocked out of comission

>the gap in RNJR is either filled up by Oscar or a new kid from Mistral once Ruby reunites with Yang and Weiss

>Menagerie gets fucked over by Schnee Dust Company in some way, which the White Fang uses to rile up the faunus to join their cause

>dadcat or momcat are either killed for trying to talk some sense into everyone (by Adam?) as Blake and Sun run away again to Mistral

>Cinder comes to town and fucks up Ruby despite her silver eyes, who gets probably saved by someone else

>Yang acts like the wiser older sister for once

>Atlas goes full MAGA as Ironwood goes full Trump or either gets disillusioned with Atlas and quits

>there will probably be some fights between the gang and the Mistral students

>Oscar/Ozpin's presence strikes fear or anger into Cinder's heart

>some massive Fall of Haven level drama gets set up in Mistral

64ff95 No.34464

File: bc661b1377f826b⋯.png (2.37 MB, 1024x1536, 2:3, renora__speedpaint_by_agen….png)

When will they fuck?

64ff95 No.34465

File: 2f213a1a5f594fa⋯.jpg (219.86 KB, 868x1153, 868:1153, a1901e85edeaca680cc376be3a….jpg)

64ff95 No.34472

>>34439

Don't forget "Alternate costume worn for at most 2 episodes"

64ff95 No.34475

File: 6c7e6547b307125⋯.png (35.16 KB, 158x203, 158:203, e26d10a9ad1d71696c8d67d41f….png)

>>34455

This is what I fear the most. They're going to turn this show into propaganda, aren't they? They're going to force gay couples despite the fact that both participants are clearly straight, won't they? They'll use the bad guys as strawmen against the alt-kike. The main villain will be "literally Hitler". Oh wait, this is current year+1. She'll be "literally Trump".

Why do they do this? Why must they infest our beloved media with their bullshit ideologies? Why do they feel like they have to try and indoctrinate people? Why do they want to subvert us? What do they gain out of this? I'm just confused… I really don't understand. A few months ago, I thought I did, but thinking about it now, I just don't get it. Why do they have to ruin everything? Just write a good fucking story for fuck's sake. That's all people want. You wanna put gays in your story? Then make a story for gays. You want to write a story about people with cat ears who act like animals and how wrong it is to be "rayciss" against them? Make a story for black people.

Just, for fuck's sake, don't subvert everything you touch. Go kill yourselves without dragging others down. Eliminate yourselves from the gene pool without trying to eliminate all of the coherent aspects of life.

I just don't fucking know anymore.

64ff95 No.34477

File: 60df243cf2ed0d8⋯.jpg (90.86 KB, 567x790, 567:790, 60df243cf2ed0d88249e4e5eb5….jpg)

>>34475

It's unfortunately a result of being a leftist faggot, they can help but spread their bullshit everywhere. The show had potential but they took the easy way out. Miles and Kerry only care about eating up those tumblr shekels and took out everything charming about it that drew many of us to it in the first place. They're just gonna virtue signal and pretend to be all deep with every possible cheapshot at the heart strings as possible.

I just enjoy fan content now anymore anyway.

64ff95 No.34480

>>34475

>>34477

"WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."

I think that Orwell was right. Liberals talk about the "inclusivity" of their beliefs, but that inclusiveness is exclusive of other beliefs. They are inclusive of others in so much as those others have good think (liberal values) or good skin color (ie not white). And it's really not about justice: it's about power.

The only reason that season's one to (for a part) three were good was because the creative direction was driven by a non-white person whose non-whiteness made all of his "problematic" views acceptable to liberals. Now that only white people are doing the creative direction, that direction must follow the ideology of the white man's burden. The show must now be a beacon of progressive values from its progressive creators because it is the white man's burden to be the exemplars of progressive values.

In a way, this has some business sense. The target audience is the tumbler crowd: the kind of people who ACTUALLY PAY FOR SHIT. These are also the people who would tear the crew apart for the show's "hyper-masculine" (other feminist bullshit terms) focus. In their world, being "woke", that is, paying lip service to their value set, is more important than actually believing in their values. Most of these people live in middle-class white's-only neighborhoods, and their definition of diversity is the closeness of slums where they can drive to get "ethnic" food. All of the values they uphold don't effect them on a personal level, and they don't actually financially support any those causes. The closest they come is buying trivial garbage that they can claim supports a cause. If RWBY is reduced to SJW/Progressive propaganda, these entitled liberal cunts will buy up RWBY merchandise like cocaine to show their liberal peers how much they supposedly care about the progressive values that the show displays.

So, to get back to

> Why do they do this? Why must they infest our beloved media with their bullshit ideologies?

They actually believe that this garbage should be entertaining. They have convinced themselves that liberal propaganda is the only form of entertainment that should be entertaining to people and that anyone who disagrees should be sent to a FEMA camp for reeducation. Their "inclusive" beliefs are exclusive of other value systems, unless the person advocating those values is not white.

Their values demand that propaganda is the only form of entertainment.

64ff95 No.34482

File: 78dc18c24555565⋯.jpg (62.15 KB, 650x488, 325:244, 9eb8edbcf6f0797c2d273d10bc….jpg)

>>34480

Can we start making our own content? Even just for fun?

64ff95 No.34483

File: a2935e4a14653ee⋯.png (509.5 KB, 1009x720, 1009:720, a2935e4a14653eebb68463c2ed….png)

>>34480

>In a way, this has some business sense. The target audience is the tumbler crowd: the kind of people who ACTUALLY PAY FOR SHIT. These are also the people who would tear the crew apart for the show's "hyper-masculine" (other feminist bullshit terms) focus. In their world, being "woke", that is, paying lip service to their value set, is more important than actually believing in their values. Most of these people live in middle-class white's-only neighborhoods, and their definition of diversity is the closeness of slums where they can drive to get "ethnic" food. All of the values they uphold don't effect them on a personal level, and they don't actually financially support any those causes. The closest they come is buying trivial garbage that they can claim supports a cause. If RWBY is reduced to SJW/Progressive propaganda, these entitled liberal cunts will buy up RWBY merchandise like cocaine to show their liberal peers how much they supposedly care about the progressive values that the show displays.

I was actually thinking about this the other day. The media and pop culture are doubling down harder than ever after Trump's election. More and more people are realizing they are completely full of shit, wanting nothing more than to abuse people's emotions to push their propaganda. Yet they keep doubling down. Of course they do. I realized that companies pander to left-wing and liberal audiences because those are what Yuri Bezmenov called "useful idiots": they possess no agency, they are completely and utterly incapable of thinking for themselves, and this makes them an audience that is incredibly easy to maintain in the long run. It's much more profitable to have a smaller group of people who will buy your product for increasingly higher prices simply because it panders to what they consider to be the correct ideology, than to satisfy a greater consumer base that could drop your product at any moment.

This is what it all boils down to: liberals are the ultimate consumers. They care little about the value of what it is they purchase; so long as gives them the correct cues, they will buy it. It's a funny thing to think about. My grandfather said that, so long as it looks good, you could even sell canned faeces in your local super market. No joke. If you know how to advertise it, if you can pander to the sensitivities to a particular group of people, they will actually purchase canned turd. Because these consumers don't care about the inherent effects or value of the product, they simply want to achieve a higher social status, even if it means owning, buying, and maybe even eating shit. "All your liberal friends who are on the right side of history are eating shit. Why aren't you eating shit? Don't you want to be progressive? Maybe you need to be properly educated."

This is how media companies make profits: by manufacturing shit and creating a false virtue surrounding it. So long as it fulfills a group's need to confirm their false beliefs, they will purchase it. They will walk around with t-shirts with shit smeared all over, they will tell their friends all about how good shit tastes, how companies are even donating shit to minorities for the sake of inclusivity.

>>34482

RWBY has actually inspired me to create my own story. I hope I can at least finish it by the end of the year. Just gotta make sure I don't get lazy.

64ff95 No.34485

>>34482

>Can we start making our own content? Even just for fun?

Nothing is preventing you from doing that already. However, there is a big difference between "Doing things for fun" and "Taking things seriously".

64ff95 No.34490

File: 68895f8951d1fbe⋯.jpg (61.18 KB, 500x500, 1:1, yang.jpg)

>>34417

>Rwby will continue to be sidelined despite being the show's primary protagonist.

>Blake will take minor steps to take over the white fang, but not make any significant progress.

>Yang will continue to be the only character with something akin to progression

>Weiss will run around in the woods for a while before bumping into Ruby at the end of the season

>There'll be even grimmer and darker things, but to a hilarious degree, because the writers can't into subtle shifts in tone

>Penny will return

>Sub-boss villains will be defeated, bear guy and Tyrian, but Emerald and Mercury will take tiny steps towards being redeemed

That's all I've really got right now. Yang and Blake will hook up for sure, or at the very least, many large steps towards that conclusion will be made. Which is fine with me because I've long since given up on this show having anything remotely close to quality in terms of it's writing, and getting to see Blake and Yang make out would be kind of cute. And hilarious because I'm sure it'll be animated very poorly. It's not best ship or anything that's pic related but the salt on both sides will be entertaining at least.

64ff95 No.34495

>>34485

I've always wanted to make content but in terms of drawing or animating I have no real talent. It'd have to be for fun, I can't take my crappy drawings too seriously.

>>34483

Actually me too, I outlined it a little in the Original character thread. I wish I had more ability to produce. I'm trying to whip up some concepts but I'm limited. I bought some drawing books to better my ability though.

it's like hotline miami, metal gear, LoGH, halo, rwby, and a bunch of other shit mashed into one, synthwave, supersoldiers, political mystery, espionage, cool futuristic military tech, lots of shooting

64ff95 No.34503

File: f3de17421c83fcd⋯.jpg (64.63 KB, 800x800, 1:1, 80s pepe.jpg)

File: 29c2a77be348951⋯.mp4 (486.09 KB, 480x360, 4:3, 80's aesthetic.mp4)

>>34482

Yes, 80s RWBY Future Fash would be neat, other stuff, something to keep the board going now that the CYOA folks fucked off into the fourth dimension.

64ff95 No.34504

File: 7bcb809a3877782⋯.jpeg (1.28 MB, 2560x1440, 16:9, 39968461aecf5d54ba7d8cb26….jpeg)

File: b4729ae17d75a78⋯.jpg (145.84 KB, 850x1213, 850:1213, sample_1c608f65b0b529fe643….jpg)

File: a792950cbd00880⋯.jpg (248.92 KB, 850x1209, 850:1209, sample_c338c53bf4d1b5be260….jpg)

>>34495

Sounds like a crazy ride. Mine's an urban fantasy setting with traces of Fate/Stay Night, Jojo, as well as a bunch of other eroge I played like Hapymaher. In fact, the whole idea for the story came as a result of my wanting to write a Visual Novel, or at least a Light Novel. Since I have absolutely zero drawing skills (though I did try learning how to draw once), and probably couldn't make up a team to create a VN, I decided to go with a novel instead. I'm thinking of uploading each chapter to a blog or something and spread the word, see what people think. I am kind of writing by the seat of my pants, but I have a general outline of how I want the story to progress. My goal is to implement mysteries, cool fights, magic as an extension of the mind and not simple "wonderworking" (i.e., something more akin to ESP instead of thaumaturgy), cute/hot waifus, and a female protag that's basically Kiryuu from Yakuza, except turned into a redhead tomboyish high school girl with a nice, Yang-like rack to go with it, if only because I like busty redheads like pic related. Except my character has short hair and doesn't look nearly as cheery.

In any case, I'm rambling here, but I'm figuring things out as I go. I have two chapters written with another one halfway through, and although they're probably god fucking awful, it's a start. Best of luck on your creative endeavors, anon. I'm sure you and I can write better than those hacks at RT.

64ff95 No.34505

>>34504

The OC thread is right around the corner and needs some love, fam.

64ff95 No.34507

>>34505

I'm not writing a RWBY fanfic or anything, but sure. I guess I could talk about my busty redhead there.

64ff95 No.34508

>>34504

Sounds interesting anon, keep it up. The more we work at it, the better it'll get. were all gonna make it brah

64ff95 No.34510

File: ab87002264d0b77⋯.png (1.99 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, R-W-B-Y-W-A-V-E-2.png)

>>34503

>80s RWBY Future Fash would be neat, other stuff

Ｒ　Ｗ　Ｂ　Ｙ　Ｗ　Ａ　Ｖ　Ｅ

https://my.mixtape.moe/dycujy.mp3

64ff95 No.34517

>>34503

>CYOAFags

Sure they did head back to 4/trash/, and I technically participate in it. Yet I was attending to these threads to keep the conversation going like a general discussion.

>80s Future Fash

That would be really neato.

64ff95 No.34518

>>34517

Saging for samefagging.

Since the fags already archived the CYOA stuff, is it a good time to remove or hide the remnants of these threads?

64ff95 No.34527

>>34518

Well it's gone now.

64ff95 No.34537

So when's Vol. 5 coming out? I'm in RWBY withdrawal now that I can't shit on new material anymore on a weekly basis.

64ff95 No.34539

>>34537

well you have Camp Camp 2 and Chibi 2 coming out soon.

64ff95 No.34550

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

to that one anon who converts vids to webm, can you make this a webm?

>tfw the fight scenes will never improve

64ff95 No.34553

File: bf085c92abf1d9a⋯.mp4 (6.11 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, [3D Animation - RWBoxY] RW….mp4)

>>34550

> Recieved mp4

> ???

> Profit

Sorry it's not a webm, but I suck cocks.

64ff95 No.34567

File: 7f8577db19b0bc5⋯.png (46.38 KB, 448x513, 448:513, 7f8577db19b0bc57f44b4ba6bb….png)

>>34417

Had anyone noticed the RT has been starting to get more jewy. I randomly found this out but there is three world of remnant videos only on their website and not on the YouTube page. Maybe I'm just being retarded and didn't notice them on YouTube but I think RT trying jew more people into their website.

64ff95 No.34568

>>34567

>I think RT trying jew more people into their website.

That was their plan all along. Burnie used to say that Youtube is their opposition. Now they're much more friendly, but they hold content on their site to bring people there.

so to bring this thread to a much more optimistic tone: What do you think RT will get right with Volume 5?

64ff95 No.34569

File: 4d4e578eac9d211⋯.webm (4.82 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, [3D Animation _ RWBoxY] R….webm)

64ff95 No.34570

File: d8bd220c72e3f83⋯.jpg (73.82 KB, 501x585, 167:195, jew cartoon.jpg)

>>34567

>>34568

Is anyone working at RT an actual Jew, other than Barbara?

From her rwby wiki page:

>She is Jewish, having been born to a Jewish family

64ff95 No.34571

File: deeef73816b2ab9⋯.gif (2.13 MB, 900x900, 1:1, deeef73816b2ab9b7bcd48fd23….gif)

>>34570

>when your waifu is voiced by a leaf jew

WHY MUST YOU JEWS INVOLVE YOURSELVES IN EVERYTHING

64ff95 No.34574

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>Leaked footage of a V5 fight scene

:^)

64ff95 No.34580

>>34574

On some levels, this is better than anything in V4.

64ff95 No.34581

>>34570

>Is anyone working at RT an actual Jew, other than Barbara?

Don't look. The truth is worse than you could imagine.

The Jew and the Rooster Are One

https://archive.is/cLTqY

64ff95 No.34582

>>34574

Say what you want, some of the shit in there is pretty cool and as a consequence infinitely superior to anything shown in V4. At least there's constant action, as opposed to V4's compilation of reaction shots and RPG-esque standing around waiting to make your move.

64ff95 No.34583

>>34574

A lot of that reminds me of that bollywood rip off of that Bruce Willis movie, where he doges a flipping car and pulls a guy out before it becomes scrap metal.

64ff95 No.34585

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>>34582

There were more action scenes better than RWBY…

Hell, even a bootleg Turkish movie makes better fight scenes than Post Monty RWBY. It's more of a game of Compare, and Contrast.

>>34583

Y'know I was looking for more Bollywood movies that has action sequences. Yet I cannot recall that one movie.

64ff95 No.34589

File: 841dd392b21bbe3⋯.webm (536.1 KB, 854x480, 427:240, RWBY Volume 4, Chapter 6-….webm)

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>>34585

So Qrow said that "Bad Luck" is his Semblance.

So what exactly is him turning into a bird and back mean? If it's not his *semblance*, then what is it? Can anyone turn into some sort of animal?

64ff95 No.34592

>>34589

He lets his hangover kick in a little. The pain turns him into a crow.

Yes, a little. The collective hangover would kill him all at once, kinda like like Archer.

64ff95 No.34608

File: 0ded2882365a636⋯.png (91.69 KB, 235x246, 235:246, 1480903659118.png)

http://m.imgur.com/a/TSuq2

>Glynda's VA started some shit

>inb4 she gets written out of the story

64ff95 No.34611

File: 829a069f5aa1a51⋯.jpg (215.21 KB, 723x1023, 241:341, 1409826940850.jpg)

>>34608

I know she said don't speculate, but I have to wonder what happened to her to make her say all that.

>inb4 she gets written out of the story

More likely they'll recast Glynda with some 2-bit animu voice actress that everyone's heard a billion times before. Or they'll have one of the other female VAs do double time.

64ff95 No.34613

File: 1c7f357c4551e6b⋯.webm (9.12 MB, 640x480, 4:3, The Screen Savers - Red V….webm)

>>34608

>>34611

>but I have to wonder what happened to her to make her say all that.

The hypocrisy becomes too much to bear. Hullum likes to virtue-signal (last time he did it with Monty's corpse) so it's good when the skeletons in the closet trip him up like this. If he wants to honor women, he really needs to stop his wife from getting so drunk that she passes out. It can't be good for their children to see their mother in that condition.

I may not see eye-to-eye with her about much of anything, but Kathleen has my respect for not letting Rooster Teeth's bullshit go unchallenged (as she previously spoke up about the veracity of Shane's letter). A lot of RT fans don't realize how long she'd been with the company and that she is more than just a voice actor.

64ff95 No.34614

>>34611

Seems pretty obvious to me. She got passed up for something important in favor of Burnie's bitch. Women gonna bitch, what can you do?

64ff95 No.34615

>>34510

I kind of want more of this, is there any?

Thinking of trying my hand at a Metroidvania/Classicvania

64ff95 No.34616

File: 8046507aee2651a⋯.gif (1.78 MB, 870x388, 435:194, 8046507aee2651ae723e61fd15….gif)

>>34615

>is there any?

No, that's just me shitposting into FL Studio.

>Spoiler

Your language implies that you haven't done any game dev yet, so I'm speaking on that assumption. A platformer like that is a good place to start for a first project, but it's generally recommended that you take the time to duplicate some simple games, (Pong, Space Invaders, or even Mario) in order to understand the logic and process before you move on to anything serious.

Why do you need retrowave RWBY jams for a Castlevania game?

64ff95 No.34617

>>34616

I dunno, for some reason that mix was giving me a vampire killer vibe

64ff95 No.34619

File: d502d52d8bdd07e⋯.png (677.18 KB, 600x1232, 75:154, ClipboardImage.png)

File: f502e189eb764c9⋯.png (635.77 KB, 600x1054, 300:527, ClipboardImage.png)

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Accurate?

64ff95 No.34620

>>34611

>>34613

If she's been with the company since the start, then she's seen the bad business practices and brown nosing. And confirming Shane's letter alone should have gotten her booted, or at least put on a shit list.

Hell, maybe she just got news she's not in the next season (or even conformation she's been replaced). I can't agree how she's said it, but it seems the sunny smiling faces at RT are gonna crash down hard in the future.

Here's hoping someone buys out RWBY and does it justice.

64ff95 No.34621

File: 5b3c241f9034c02⋯.png (147.97 KB, 304x622, 152:311, ClipboardImage.png)

>>34620

and with this simple image, I can tell who's next on the shit list for RT.

64ff95 No.34622

>>34621

Joel is in the same boat as Gavin & Geoff- and some of the Achievement Hunter team.

They can get away with damn-near anything since the audience loves them, but they'll get slapped on the wrist for everything.

Christ, Joel turned up on their gameshow high as fuck once.

64ff95 No.34623

>>34622

True, but How much BS does Joel have to shovel each day? How much Virtue and Status signaling does he have to put up with?

He can get away with anything, but you DAMN well know that tolerance doesn't extend to any Conservative point of view in the Rooster Teeth community. All that's needed is just one inkling of wrong think, and you know he's on the shit list.

64ff95 No.34624

>>34619

Change Ren to having a completely stoic expression and saying '…' and it's accurate.

64ff95 No.34626

>>34608

All in favor of finding the cunt who posted this, shoving a hundred razor blade up its ass, and/or giving Kathleen a hug, say I.

64ff95 No.34650

File: 890664ecd71718f⋯.jpg (156.79 KB, 936x900, 26:25, stages of neo.jpg)

>>34620

I'm glad that someone is calling out the bullshit in the company but is really that deserving of our praise though. I was never really into RT back in the day and I don't have a really good view of the politics or people.

64ff95 No.34751

>>34621

Joel has always been into economics and politics, he gets a by because he's always been crazy and frankly objective.

64ff95 No.34949

File: ee211ef6d6dcc9e⋯.png (148.15 KB, 280x313, 280:313, Insanity.png)

>On August 5, 2016, Burnie Burns and Gavin Free announced that a sequel to Lazer Team was green-lit by Rooster Teeth in partnership with YouTube Red and they had officially began pre-production on the film.

>More money for a sequel for a shitty film instead of investing it into RWBY or even Camp Camp / RVB.

64ff95 No.35024

Eyyy it's ​back up.

How you fags doing?

64ff95 No.35026

64ff95 No.35028

>>35024

I'm doing good. Truthfully, I just can't really tell what Volume 5 is going to do. The main reason for this is because Volume 4 ended badly, in a sense.There's no real way to speculate.

Everyone's going to meet up together. There's nothing really special about that. maybe Yang/Blake drama, but that's about it. Honestly, I'm more interested into the Villain's side of the story.

64ff95 No.35029

>>35028

Is Blake going to meet up with the rest of RWBY? From what I remember, she's staying in Menagerie to deal with the White Fang and is pretty far removed from the rest of the story. If she meets up with the rest, it may not be until the end of the Volume, or maybe at the beginning of V6.

64ff95 No.35031

>>35029

Didn't they also say that all the "Good" White Fang Lieutenants are in Mistral and that the "Bad" ones want to assassinate them?

64ff95 No.35032

>>35031

I don't remember. Somebody on halfchan said something along those lines as well, that's why I didn't say it was an absolute certainty.

64ff95 No.35033

>>35032

Like I said, everyone's meeting up together. It's by chance, but still.

I just can't really speculate anything else. Everyone else is a non-factor. It's not like Volume 3's ending, which allowed a lot of speculation. Even the villains are too bland and generic for speculation.

64ff95 No.35043

>>35033

I wouldn't say that about all the villains. A lot of the new villains, yes, but Salem has quite a bit of mystery about her. There's also a lot of speculation about Mercury and Emerald many people think one of them will turn good. I'm not convinced .

There's a ton of speculation to be had about Oscar, and what the heck is going on with him and what his role will be in V5 .

And I think RWBY/RNJR's actions can be speculated to *some* degree, but I agree that there isn't as much room for speculating in that area.

64ff95 No.35058

>>35043

I could see Emerald turning good out of fear for what might happen to her after everything is said and done, but Mercury seems like he enjoys working for Cinder too much to leave.

>And I think RWBY/RNJR's actions can be speculated to *some* degree, but I agree that there isn't as much room for speculating in that area.

I'm betting they'll do nothing of real importance for most of the volume until they're forced to fight the headmaster of the school and that moustachioed henchman of Salem's.

64ff95 No.35059

>>35058

I would agree. Emerald is the only one who might switch sides, and even then it would probably be out of self-interest.

64ff95 No.35089

>>35059

See, I just don't know if Emerald will defect. She seems to almost worship Cinder. The only reason why Merc joined was because he literally had no where else to go. As soon as shit starts getting too weird for him, he'll jump off the train. Not exactly betray Cinder/Salem, but just fucks off.

64ff95 No.35090

File: ffe6eacfd4ab7ac⋯.jpg (499.38 KB, 1115x1600, 223:320, 001_1476507843.jpg)

>>35033

>>35043

It pisses me off how one-dimensional the villains were made to be starting in Vol.3 with Cinder.

This season didn't help their case.

I feel like Roman may have been the best and they off'ed him. Salem is my last hope but I'm sure she'll just be based on the brother that only wishes to destroy things.

64ff95 No.35104

>>35090

>It pisses me off how one-dimensional the villains were made to be

Not only Villains, but the main and secondary character Protags as well. The joke about Jaune being the real protagonist of RWBY wasn't far off from the truth.

64ff95 No.35110

Maybe another bingo suggestion for V5 will be quiet retconning, or inconsistent lore. Maybe a predictable plotline.

64ff95 No.35113

>>35089

>>35090

The best possible outcome would have been Torchwick and Mercury deciding that shit was hella gay, and fucking off to start their own cool-kids-only club of chaotic neutral punch clock villains, with its own subplot.

64ff95 No.35115

>>35089

Maybe, but she didn't exactly seem all that thrilled with Salem.

>>35113

That would be amazing.

64ff95 No.35169

File: 79a1bff7eef29a7⋯.jpg (77.67 KB, 680x754, 340:377, 171.jpg)

What if Yang loses her again due to her recklessness?

1b2035 No.35291

File: 7fb32ca14e4b85a⋯.jpg (204.94 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, 1643263.jpg)

So I had a thought: What if Ruby loses her innocence? Not in a sexual manner, but in a mentality way. She wants to to follow her mother's footsteps and be a huntress, doing good.

She saw her best friend (outside her team) shred to pieces. She saw a villain eaten whole while being smacked around by said villain. She saw a close friend get arrow'd in the chest and disintegrate.

How much more shit can she take before she just snaps?

ce43fe No.35293

>>35291

So 9S?

>>35291

Well, for one we don't know how much Ruby can take mentally. For all I know, I would believe her breaking point is if Yang or Qrow dies.

9a19da No.35296

File: 2aaff517520d8b9⋯.png (689.2 KB, 1159x817, 61:43, 91sM7Tg[1].png)

So I know like I'm almost two years to point this out, but did anyone ever notice the GHOSTLY PROCESSION OF HOODED FIGURES IN THE PHOTO ON RUBY'S BEDROOM WALL?

ce43fe No.35298

>>35296

REMNANT CONFIRMED FOR KINGDOM HEARTS III

9a19da No.35299

>>35298

The power scale is about right, though RWBY is more reserved about handing out its toys. The weapons are more nuts, and the melee/ranged more competent by a pretty wide margin, but KH hands out magic like it's candy. RWBY fighters backed up with KH magic would be unstoppable outside of an orbital strike.

Just imagine a RWBY fight peppered with -ga spell spam, and when either combatant's aura drops they just pop a Curaga and it's like the fight starts over at full power right there.

Then again, it would also take away some of the character-focused nature of RWBY if everyone had magic. One semblance per character is kind of core in how characters' styles are set up, and nobody cares about your super speed when everyone, even the melee bruisers, can cast Stop.

4479aa No.35329

File: b8b58ef6a268211⋯.png (91.46 KB, 426x288, 71:48, RWBY_S3_C12_picture.png)

File: e37117faf3481e8⋯.jpg (427.99 KB, 800x426, 400:213, 2016_01_zhangjiajie-cover.jpg)

File: c34adc25564c6af⋯.jpg (713.79 KB, 2268x1512, 3:2, Zhan44.jpg)

>>35296

they're supposed to be mountains with trees, anon. Monty was an Avatar (the James Cameron movie) fan, studied the movie frame-by-frame from what i remember. search for "avatar mountains" or "Qiankunzhu" or "Zhangjiajie"

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-01/25/c_13150372.htm

http://www.zhangjiajietourguide.com/photo-p264-3523-zhangjiajie-national-forest-park-autumn.html

93c5eb No.35331

>>35291

I'm thinking they're going to show it off during volume 5 a little bit but who knows.

93c5eb No.35332

Oh, while I'm here, I predict (I know it wont happen) that Roman will activate his semblance which is a "Cheat death once" to bullshit his way back to life.

And I honestly would not even mind if it meant Roman would be back.

bbae2d No.35333

File: c59291b945545ee⋯.png (250.66 KB, 600x540, 10:9, __kasugano_sakura_street_f….png)

>>35332

Roman coming back would be fucking great. He's a lot more charming as a villain than Salem and her gang. Plus Neo will be back too as a consequence.

9a19da No.35334

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Well, what I predicted has started. I called it when I noticed that all the Schnee women are victims or outcasts and all the men are sociopathic power-hungry villains. The full version of This Life is Mine calls out the patriarchy. By name.

93c5eb No.35335

>>35334

W-wait, wasn't she in line to inherent the atlas company?

Just like the IRL patriarchy, the patriarchy of Atlas fails to suppress women even at the highest level.

I was super expecting this song to be a celebration of the Snchee who started the company with the first expedition of dust (I.E. This life of MINE), but I guess we can't have nice things.

93c5eb No.35336

>>35335

As an aside, (This really deserves this own post) I'm a person whose writing a story myself, and when you're having to write multiple societies (Especially when doing it in the interstellar level like I'm doing it) You can't really have too much stable, good honest capitalist democracies. And, if a said writer seems to perceive a real life societal force that affects them, they're dozens of times more likely to write about it than any other source.

Hell, I'm doing the same thing in my story, with communist zombies, with a supernatural commodity that simply isn't enough for everyone, along with drugs (but recreational and medical) being passed around like crazy in a completely dead and barren planet.

But, it ends there. There is no other mention of any communist ideals outside of that context. It simply doesnt exist because it doesn't need to exist. It's an examination of a society within set conditions and letting the reader ponder on it themselves, and I desperately hope that's what they're doing here, they didn't call it out by name per se, but rather the lyric was a description (I.E. Patriarchal prison) which I'm sort of willing to have some leeway but not really oh god I hope they don't turn the show political.

>TL;DR - I hope It isn't completely politically motivated in pushing a message, but rather an examination of what a patriarchy could possibly lead to.

1b2035 No.35337

>>35334

>>35335

>>35336

>Nothing actually happened in volume 4, or if it did happen, rushed faster than a rabbit on crack

>Ironwood is Not!Trump

Wew lads. Volume 5's going to be a shit show.

9e2abd No.35338

>>35334

>all the Schnee women are victims or outcasts and all the men are sociopathic power-hungry villains.

The only thing that can save this is Weiss's mom turning out to be worse than all of them. But she won't, of course.

4479aa No.35339

File: e204529b54dcae8⋯.webm (7.51 MB, 640x360, 16:9, (OFFICIAL) RWBY Volume 4 ….webm)

>>35334

fan lyrics from reddit

>Mirror

>Can you hear me?

>Do I reach you?

>Are you even listening?

>Can I get it through?

>There's a part of me that's desperate for changes,

>Tired of being treated like a pawn

>But there's a part of me that stares back from inside the mirror

>Part of me that's scared I might be wrong

>That I can't be strong…

>I've been afraid, never standing on my own

>I let you be the keeper of my pride

>Believed you when you told me I was nothing on my own

>Listen when I say

>I swear it here today

>I will not surrender, this life is mine

>Amazing how you conquered me,

>Chained me in servility and made me see

>The world the way you told me to

>But I was young, and didn't have a way to know the truth

>Existing just to fill your needs and casualty

>Of this so-called family

>That you have turned into a travesty

>But I don't intend to suffer any longer

>Here's where your dominion falls apart

>I'm shattering the mirror that kept me split in pieces

>That stood between my mind and my heart

>This is where I'll start

>I'm not your pet, not another thing you own

>I was not born guilty of your crimes

>I won't be possessed, burdened by your royal test

>I will not surrender, this life is mine

>Shame that it took so long to rescue me

>From the guilt you used to tie me to your family tree

>I guess your training failed, you're not in charge, I'm free

>Your patriarchal prison won't hold me

>Now this conversation's finally over,

>Mirror Mirror, now we're done

>I've pulled myself together now

>My mind and heart are one

>Fare thee well… (?)

>I'm not your pet, not another thing you own

>I was not born guilty of your crimes

>I won't be possessed, burdened by your royal test

>I will not surrender, this life is mine

886090 No.35342

>>35339

>>35337

>>35334

It's RT, so that does blur it, but you have to keep in mind that the word "patriarchal" does not need to imply "the patriarchy" in the sense that leftycucks use it. Since she's talking specifically about her father, the word "patriarchal" would actually be the correct word in the context. You could substitute "paternal" or "fatherly" or something else, but those words tend to have a positive connotation, while they were obviously looking for something that didn't have "father".

On that note, going through the songs, the soundtrack this season seems to be better than Vol3 was, on the whole. But that one was pretty disappointing. It's still nowhere near reaching Vol1 standards again, but I'm guessing that's partly because Jeff Williams was given a hell of a lot more creative freedom by Monty than these chucklefucks, and had a lot more time.

886090 No.35344

>>35342

nvmd just found BMBLMB, Monty is rolling in his grave

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>All Soundtrack Song even from volume one are heavy in plot or spoilers

>Me when I see this song

File: 0275725d6274e2c⋯.png (613.07 KB, 1918x1400, 137:100, kill.png)

>>35346

Whoops.

abe262 No.35348

>>35346

Please don't let this be implying what I think it's implying.

515fcb No.35350

File: 5393aeae0d0f752⋯.png (238.23 KB, 692x687, 692:687, 1466649968803.png)

>>35344

>BMBLMB

Did muscle memory for writing BLM accidentally slip its way in there, or was that a dig at Blake?

>>35346

Did anyone ever track down whereever Monty said that all the characters from Vol 1 are straight? That could be super fucking useful right now.

>>35348

Remember that Jaune/Pyrrha got two songs in the same season. It was for a ruse, but it still shows they're not above ship pandering without intending to follow through.

a8f3f3 No.35351

>>35350

>Remember that Jaune/Pyrrha got two songs in the same season. It was for a ruse, but it still shows they're not above ship pandering without intending to follow through.

Was that during season 1/2 when Monty was alive and possibly very realistically planned for that?

886090 No.35354

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

It's amazing that something as shit as Grimm Eclipse produced this song. It's really the standout track out of this last bunch, and makes Dr.Merlot sound like a more interesting albeit still somewhat cliche villain than Team Evil.

>>35351

I think Pyrrha being dead was always planned. Remember that Vol2/Vol3 were originally meant to be one story - that was why Pyrrha had the whole "autumn" thing going on in the Vol2 OP.

I'm still half convinced that the "silver eyes" thing was made up by RT, and was supposed to be a sign that Ruby had inherited Maiden powers from her mother; hence her rose petals.

a8f3f3 No.35355

>>35354

>Lusus Naturae

How does randomly switching to latin words sound so good at times? It's completely edgy as hell but I love it!

886090 No.35357

>>35355

It's the same reason that so many Japanese songs randomly have English words show up in them, I imagine - it just comes across as different. In the case of this song, it also sells it stronger as something from a "western anime", for that very reason.

But if only the show as good….

bbae2d No.35359

>>35355

It's mysterious, I guess. It implies esoteric knowledge, maybe? It's an ancient language of science and theology only a select few speak after all.

1b2035 No.35362

File: e3a8983e23adb11⋯.jpg (81.03 KB, 958x496, 479:248, 1436278230704-0.jpg)

File: f6fa55eb20b7b00⋯.jpg (98 KB, 956x530, 478:265, 1436278230706-1.jpg)

>This used to be Rooster Teeth

eb0853 No.35363

File: 514bc7cb6df14fd⋯.webm (2.14 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Just Wait Till the End fo….webm)

don't worry everyone, volume 5 won't be political at all.

d857f9 No.35365

>>35362

Probably more to do with RvB being done mostly by the founding fathers (Geoff, etc) who are just happy to fuck-about when together. Some when on their own are badly influenced however (Burnie and Gus).

But yeah, writing team 99% of the time is people with a heavy bias thanks to the area (Austin). They occasionally make cracks like this so for shock value or even mock the most extreme SJW (A to get people off their back and B to distance themselves from those who do the shit their ideology dictates).

Not that I'd want RWBY written by old-school RT either.

>>35363

I'm more shocked they hadn't seen a Trump AoT parody yet.

Looking at other stuff Miles works on, he keep his politics out of it (Camp Camp Which I find funny has a kid whose a blatant expy of Hitler for obvious gags- but otherwise 0 politics). So I'd argue he's a low-tier SJW.

He can keep his mouth shut if it'd hurt him (financially or reputation-wise), and unless coaxed won't escalate into killing dogs of "fascists" by leaving around razorblades & kibble.

Problem is- even if Miles ran RWBY into the ground- it doesn't matter to him. He still has a job at RT, he thinks they'd keep him on and let him work on Camp Camp and other shows, and most of RT's followers are liberal (or so it appears).

Miles could turn into a balaclava-clad maniac, but unless advertisers and sponsors pull out- RT won't care (the community & the heads of staff).

Miles would have to kill a sacred cow within RWBY's to have the audience suddenly drop off (at which point I can see his role in RT productions dramatically reduced or even fired). And thanks to how micro-managed the show is, that won't happen (nothing "unsafe" will happen in the plot- intentionally).

I predict the audience will shrink over time, until the small dedicated fan-base can't keep the show running. RT are racing to finish the story before it can't turn a profit- and after that, RWBY Chibi or easier-to-produce spin off stories.

The worse we'll get is Atlas' borders control being a parody of Trump's wall, Ironwood either laments or dies (I'm betting on the former; not only to protect a character Monty made, but also to distance themselves from those who riot & kill- have the villain change his way's in a hand-fisted "it can happen to anyone but you can come back" message), and the borders are opened to all. Atlas becomes a haven for the chaos elsewhere in the world, and somehow no villain thinks to exploit it (and even if they do, thanks to what Huntsmen/women do in one day, they keep the border open).

f821a0 No.35371

File: 99bd33b77c0ddc6⋯.png (281.35 KB, 800x585, 160:117, Ironwood feels it.png)

>>35365

>to protect a character Monty made

Believe it or not. James Ironwood is the one character that the majority of his character M&K made, not Monty.

abe262 No.35372

>>35371

Huh.

I'm surprised they wrote a character I like.

f821a0 No.35373

>>35372

one of the best Characters in RWBY, IMO. I'm just surprised two young liberals can write a good military guy.

of course, they're going to shit the bed with the forced Trump metaphors.

abe262 No.35374

>>35373

Yeah, they probably will.

04b8a1 No.35375

>>35373

>I'm just surprised two young liberals can write a good military guy.

Don't know why, but I take that as a challenge.

eb0853 No.35376

File: fcaf7b775d6687f⋯.webm (9.53 MB, 640x360, 16:9, C2E2 - Rooster Teeth Anim….webm)

we're coming up on this year's RTX. RT will be trying to crack down on previews leaking out onto the net after what happened last year.

eb0853 No.35377

File: 9651d567abd275e⋯.webm (8.42 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Rooster Teeth RWBY Panel ….webm)

it's hard to speculate because no one outside the company could have foreseen them turning vol 4 into filler. apart from the epilogue with oscar/ozpin showing up and asking qrow for his cane, nothing of significance happened.

>>35365

was really just grousing because the openness of the creative process is just a memory now. miles tweeted that he was "Working on #RWBY with @kerryshawcross today." for a moment i thought they might actually show something relevant. as far as mileskerry&grey actually getting overtly political with the show, it'd be almost worth it to see just how far they could bend things before they shatter. but a lot of things are still checked by management to make sure they're "safe" as you mentioned.

086fcf No.35378

>>35377

>it'd be almost worth it to see just how far they could bend things before they shatter.

What is the tensile strength of a dream?

886090 No.35379

File: 970da612c915f34⋯.jpg (197.6 KB, 800x800, 1:1, WDsZYC9.jpg)

>>35373

>>35372

>>35371

Honestly, M&K sometimes show themselves as not being horrible writers:

> Ruby explaining her motivations in V1

> her talk with Ozpin later in that season

There's more than a few moments that aren't honestly that bad. The problem with their writing comes down principally to more complex writing procedures:

> proper dialogue/plot relations

> well-paced character arcs

> the story making sense

Ironwood gets his share of good lines, hasn't had to deal with the "character development" treatment, and his motivations make actual fucking sense. Same for Qrow.

Contrast the villains. Torchwick is great because his motivations, while fucked up, are sensible. Cinder, Salem, and that lot? Nothing makes any sense. Even Adam is more sensible, but he's also a massive edge-lord and suffers from a mediocre VA, so he gets tossed in with the rest of them. This would all work, if the writers could do mystery well. But they can't, so it comes off as bad writing. Emerald and Mercury work better than the others by leaps and bounds, but they get shafted by being second fiddle to the dipshits in charge. And Neo is great because she doesn't talk.

As for the main four girls, they all get hit hard by haphazard and inconsistent writing. Ruby is either 100% child or 100% srsbzns, there's no in between, and there's no sense in when or where. Weiss gets her development tossed back and forth all of the time. Blake winds up obnoxious because she doesn't seem to have proper growth in the least, and just whines. And Yang is essentially a non-character most of the time, just tits on the screen.

29013e No.35380

File: 8cc1dca33794c8d⋯.webm (4.77 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RTX Sydney Interview with….webm)

File: 8f13f841e9ea5c9⋯.webm (1.42 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Vic Mignogna Interview RW….webm)

>>35365

>Camp Camp Which I find funny

The first vid explains the difference in the approach to writing between RWBY and Camp Camp among other things.

29013e No.35381

File: 2a255c86a333364⋯.webm (9.59 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Interview with Samur….webm)

d857f9 No.35382

File: 06e1bcc3b6e3853⋯.jpg (43.04 KB, 440x660, 2:3, Sad Puppy.jpg)

>>35378

> What is the tensile strength of a dream?

God damn that hurts and I don't know why.

How the fuck can an engineering term sound deep?

>>35379

Eh- I don't mind Ruby's "Goku" like attitude. Her "serious switch" should have been explained (or rather- how she can stay so chipper in spite of everything. Is it an act to hide her thinking/stress? Does she do it for everyone else? Is she just naturally happy and pissed when that happiness is shattered?)

I agree on all other parts. If we knew why the villains were doing it beyond (assumed) world domination, it'd be interesting. Or hell, why Cinder works for Salem.

Share of the world + power? Fear what she'll do if she doesn't obey her? Self preservation/siding with the winning team?

I don't want a flashback episode that explains anything, or one line that (tries) to surprise you to be explained later. I want it natural man.

f821a0 No.35387

>>35382

>Or hell, why Cinder works for Salem.

Wasn't "Sacrifice" suppose to be Cinder's little song about who she is?

Also, The Supreme Court strikes down the lower judges' decision to block the ban. Expect ass blasted RT staffers. Bonus points if they (Metaphorically) dig up Monty's body again to virtue signal.

Search your feelings, you know this to be true.

339df7 No.35391

>>35387

>Wasn't "Sacrifice" suppose to be Cinder's little song about who she is?

Perhaps, but so what? The point of cinema is to deliver character development and motivation, among other things, ON SCREEN.

Forcing people into consuming extraneous material in order to know what the fuck is going on is a huge blunder.

If RT wants to use music in order to establish characters they should've produced a fucking rock opera album, not a TV show.

The more I think about it the more I hate these guys, honestly.

eb0853 No.35397

File: 3c1e49aa1b60e00⋯.png (215.19 KB, 589x2087, 589:2087, bmblb_-_before.png)

File: 7649ba687b33ac7⋯.png (314.31 KB, 1080x1920, 9:16, no it's not official you d….png)

File: 4aa2714cae43a24⋯.png (526.69 KB, 589x2972, 589:2972, bmblb_-_after.png)

>>35344

>BMBLMB

our latest source of salty tears

>shippers go ga-ga over a song on the vol 4 soundtrack

>voice actress clarifies that the song doesn't mean anything officially

>butthurt & rage ensue

>>MUH REPRESENTATION

>>MUH QUEERBAITING

Thanks, Arryn. Runaway-Blake may be a terrible character but you've done us wonderful service.

>>35387

>Wasn't "Sacrifice" suppose to be Cinder's little song about who she is?

re: songs and their meanings. see >>33616

eb0853 No.35398

File: da05a89e15fc94a⋯.png (93.68 KB, 639x794, 639:794, Arryn_on_Twitter_I_m_delet….png)

File: 9cadb68f0421704⋯.png (25.86 KB, 508x352, 127:88, Invested_In_Your_Future_-_….png)

File: b85ec3e54fb3ab6⋯.png (705.82 KB, 775x2048, 775:2048, yangalysis.png)

File: 911a119adb5479a⋯.png (97.71 KB, 495x690, 33:46, there_s_nothing_that_I_won….png)

File: 3a31bce21b9f070⋯.png (226.7 KB, 542x1160, 271:580, RWBY_analysis.png)

a cancerous fandom forces their beloved voice actress to disengage

salt levels rising

b1864a No.35400

>>35398

This is the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long-ass time, and I just blew in from a /pol/ thread about CNN blackmailing a Reddit user over a Trump meme.

eb0853 No.35402

File: 27f250f5ac43272⋯.webm (1.55 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Rwby Panel with Arryn Zec….webm)

File: 197459b7367f6e2⋯.webm (1.7 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Rwby Panel with Arryn Zec….webm)

File: 8011e6085109561⋯.webm (2.23 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Rwby Panel with Arryn Zec….webm)

File: ef55702e760c81b⋯.webm (1.75 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Rwby Panel with Arryn Zec….webm)

File: 09ce1f301d98e12⋯.webm (2.84 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Rwby Panel with Arryn Zec….webm)

>>35400

>Trump meme

before wandering into this stupid bmblb thing, she was virtue signalling about the meme and telling people not to follow her if they were going to

>offer excuses for the child that is President "Grab her by the pussy" Trump.

1b2035 No.35404

File: 2907629074258d0⋯.png (90.61 KB, 375x375, 1:1, 1462200164567.png)

>>35402

>Child that is President "Grab her by the pussy" Trump.

>She said as "The most trusted name in news" tries to blackmail and dox a fucking guy over a Trump and "CNN is run by Jews" meme.

>She said as Antifa's trying their best to fuck up the G20 summit.

I loathe liberal virtue signaling so much, sometimes.

eb0853 No.35406

File: 5a7947b4d018e9d⋯.webm (1.36 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, RTX 2017 -partial trailer….webm)

apparently the streams got crossed at RTX RWBY panel these several seconds leaked. the audio wasn't synched in that part of the stream

eb0853 No.35407

File: 3e48d5306ee51f9⋯.webm (2.31 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RTX 2017 -720p_h264-161kb….webm)

File: da14af81956123b⋯.webm (1.3 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RTX 2017 -720p_h264-161kb….webm)

File: d074c781431aab4⋯.webm (1006.87 KB, 640x360, 16:9, RTX 2017 -720p_h264-161kb….webm)

File: 774c14c523e5d8f⋯.webm (1.18 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RTX 2017 -720p_h264-161kb….webm)

e598c5 No.35410

>>35398

Well fuck me, I had no idea people were almost frothing at the mouth over this shit!

If I were RT (And responsible) I'd have them hook up next season, explicitly, have it ending at an arc. Or perhaps at the end of the season. And hint something like

"We're doing something at the end of the season that we should have done a long while ago."

My lord, I had no idea how psychotic people were over ships! I was never one to care for Yang being straight or bi, and I didn't care about blake either on that account, but if people are this angry over it, just give it to them, cause that's the only thing going to satisfy them.

Or hell, don't even get them in a relationship. Give have them kiss on screen or something, for some reason after a bittersweet moment where Blake could use a hug maybe. That way there is still some deniability over yang being gay or bi if they really want to have yang be ambiguously gay.

ea1d6c No.35411

>>35410

>My lord, I had no idea how psychotic people were over ships!

Psychotic is an understatement, man. Believe me.

d857f9 No.35413

>>35407

>>35410

Not that anything they could do would satisfy them. Unless it's run by a major SJW/Liberal leader, even when the creators are liberal the "audience" always projects an -ism, and they cave more until the show is propaganda incarnate and no longer enjoyable to anyone.

If they cannot control, they destroy- same shit as vidya.

It's a shame because if they had a different audience- you could have done a lesbian/bi storyline without any issue (or just made it fanservice in the original sense).

Hell, I've always wanted to see a one-sided romance (gay crushing on straight) or the stresses and tribulations leading to them experimenting, then one of them regrets it, but they dunno if they regret doing that with a friend or being with another woman, am I interested in women sexually or do I want a relationship etc etc. Actually show shit gay people go through because it's not normal- not pretending the world is 50/50 and everyone who's ever felt conflicted being gay is because of harassment.

But with the writers we have now- we're lucky if a character moves from A to B in a decent time frame, decent run-time, and with decent motives.

>>35407

Looks like GenLock is set up in case RWBY dies.

Oddly enough- why set it up when you're already working on RvB, Camp Camp, and RWBY on rotation? Do they really need the 4th show to give more stuff for people to do or give more time for writers to work before animation starts up?

Are RT just being greedy, or did my initial snark hit the nail on the head?

ec97d6 No.35419

File: 7aedaa0255c2850⋯.png (350.06 KB, 1100x1050, 22:21, 1426116888177.png)

>>35413

>Are RT just being greedy, or did my initial snark hit the nail on the head?

Talking to another Anon I know, we both threw up red flags about GenLock replacing RWBY.

He came at from the resource side (Having 3 popular shows + shit ton of YT content that can mine gold every once in a while, why the fuck do you need another show, spreading out your resources like this), while I came from the creation side (Creating GenLock is basically creating RWBY 2, but without Monty Oum's ideas, dreams and corpse hanging from it.)

However, we both agree this sounds like them starting to ease RWBY away from the lime light for something that is not only Western friendly, but Japanese friendly as well. Not that RWBY isn't Japanese friendly, but a Mech Show will be a helluva cash cow in Japan, even more so than RWBY.

Mind you, this is all speculations from us 2 idiots. I'm not trying to predict the future, but I still haven't shaken this feeling ever since the announcement.

3ab540 No.35421

>>35419

> Hipster liberals from Austin are going to make a generic Mecha show and it'll sell in Japan.

> People with 10x the talent can't even get over 100 views on youtube with genuine effort put in.

I mean they made connections; but that doesn't mean I like it.

Not to mention the more western liberals that infect Japanese media the worse it'll be.

3c2d90 No.35429

>>35398

The funniest thing about this is that Monty would have given them the lesbian relationship. He seems to me to have been the kind of guy who liked women, liked sex, and would have noticed that there is 100% more women in lesbian sex. He would have done it to see the fan art.

Miles and Kerry, however, are sitting there, precariously trying to pay lip service to the Social Justice Faggots. They are holding off because they can't have a lesbian relationship that is shallow, or is just fan service. They need to "give it the respect it deserves" as a "real relationship". They are too poor of writers to realize that there are no real relationships in the genre that they write for: any appearance thereof is the audience's imagination making up for the writer's brevity.

I find it ironic that the "misogynist" (he wasn't because you have to be white to be a misogynist) would have given the Social Justice Faggots what they want sooner than these hack Social Justice Faggot writers will (if they do at all).

3ab540 No.35430

>>35429

Monty would have made a believable relationship- Miles and Kerry will use SocJus shielding to protect themselves from critique of bad writing.

Right now Yang hates Blake for abandoning them, and Blake is busy fixing the White Fang.

Apart from them having no need to physically meet up again, you can bet when they do it'll be a total of 20 mins across X episodes of slap-slap-flirt-flirt-will they-won't they and then they'll suddenly fall into each other's panties.

0f5c46 No.35432

>>35429

>He seems to me to have been the kind of guy who liked women, liked sex, and would have noticed that there is 100% more women in lesbian sex

Oh for the last fucking time. When you watch others fuck, you're always the cuck. No exceptions.

>inb4 buh-but its ok when theyre not my waifus, that means its fine to enable it!!!

02da63 No.35436

File: ba12a8d71f0c02b⋯.png (264.29 KB, 517x545, 517:545, Trailer_Moday.png)

File: 158428f0e205b45⋯.jpg (189.23 KB, 2105x1177, 2105:1177, DEuciWhUMAAfpLg.jpg)

funny that they chose a frame from the leaked footage >>35406

File: 7402ca16aa513b1⋯.jpg (130.46 KB, 2048x1024, 2:1, arthur fist.jpg)

>>35436

Looks like pic related.

What did RT mean by this?

278aa5 No.35438

File: 84032a7e126108f⋯.png (332.56 KB, 518x550, 259:275, Twitter_-_Monday_2.png)

File: c9a5ad765a334f6⋯.jpg (491.1 KB, 3824x2146, 1912:1073, DEuc9KSVYAAOPj3.jpg)

another one.

252d0d No.35439

File: cc7db714056c969⋯.jpg (6.7 KB, 250x250, 1:1, consider.jpg)

>>35438

That looks exactly like one of Winters Summons. They even made sure to add particle effects to the blue eyes. I'm guessing that this might be some video of Weiss being trained or tested by her sister against Grimm Summons.

Also notice how there is no Scar on her face as far as i can see.

This is definitely some of the earliest footage we have seen of Weiss in terms of chronology.

3ab540 No.35440

>>35439

So if this is Season 5's "episode 0" trailer sort of like what they did for Season 4 and 1-

Do you think this will retcon the White Trailer? Or just that this takes place before those events?

Is this also RT making up for when people hated the new costumes everyone had by showing the old costumes In their shitty new 3D engine that looks off

252d0d No.35445

>>35440

No retcon required, this will take place before the white trailer.

278aa5 No.35450

File: 222edf679de70e7⋯.png (302.15 KB, 514x555, 514:555, Twitter_-_Monday_3.png)

File: 20c63dc68a061ec⋯.jpg (451.72 KB, 3824x2148, 956:537, DEudP7RV0AAC7bL.jpg)

if it's like the Ruby one made before vol 4 then its a tech demo. it may have no real narrative significance, instead just serving as a way to work the bugs out of whatever new effects, plug-ins, or workflow they're implementing this season.

252d0d No.35451

>>35439

>>35450

Welp called the shit out of that one

278aa5 No.35457

File: 263ba1cc81f5908⋯.webm (11.95 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Volume 5 Weiss Chara….webm)

RWBY Volume 5 Weiss Character Short

3ab540 No.35458

>>35457

The particles are pretty, texture & bump mapping has really improved (and that alone will make normalfag fans say this series is better than the last), and the music builds and is interesting how it plays into the character's history.

I like how Weiss is juxtaposing with "having to get better" to leave, yet she's done so without improving. At least that's what I got from the sigh- probably not the intention.

HOW THE FUCK DID SHE GET A PRIVATE JET?! I know she's rich enough to, but you think Jacque would have issued a strict order to all his staff to not let her out of the house, cancel her cards, and tell his private jet staff to not let her leave either. Yet, we're going to gloss over exactly how she managed to do it. Guess she had another friend like Klein- or she negotiated. We'll never know!!

And they accidentally showed how the old costumes were better than the post-Monty redesigns. I'm sure Monty was gonna change their clothes every so often, but I'm just so fucking bitter at the sheer constant fuck-ups and blatant political bias they struggle to keep to themselves these guys make, that even stuff Monty probably wrote in the show bible I'm having to second guess

Even in the moments where the camera doesn't jump cut- the fighting still feels off.

Maybe it's how she holds her poses making it feel like its going between actions- rather than the flow from one action into another being as; if not more important, than the action itself.

Maybe it's because it misses synergy with any music or how the Grim seem so stand around and wait their turn to attack.

It's nice to see them incorporate ballet like movement into her attacks- but it still misses that flare Monty had. I'm sure you guys can explain it better than I can (there were fantastic breakdowns on his work compared to the new crews work in season 3 and 4 threads).

For example, those snow drifts passing by her didn't look like they hurt- yet they knocked the blade from her hand. Her footing wasn't even thrown off.

And when she puts her hand to her head when her blade is knocked away- it looks out of place and feels mechanical. Even if she did dismay at screwing up like that to the point she ignores the fight around her (makes sense given how strict her family are on minor errors) it doesn't feel like she panicked or frustrated for screwing up. She looks like she just remembered she left her phone off charge- and in an amateur dramatic play to boot.

While the VA showed how scared Weiss was when she was pinned down- her face didn't. Considering how fucking horrified Amber looked when she saw Cinder's hand-bug thing and other moments when the pupils have changed size to show emotion- they didn't use that here.

Show looks better than the last season when nothing is moving. It's another half a step forward on visuals and two steps back on everything else.

But I really really want RT to prove me wrong. They know to keep their mouths shut and not interfere with other properties with people who know what they're doing (Red Vs Blue, Achievement Hunter, Camp Camp) yet they turned away half the people who Monty wanted to hire who are Monty 2.0, and gave it to the people who rant and rave about Trump and the "alt-right"- more than we do about a Texas CGI anime.

>>35457

I feel like the animation and model looks better, but the choreography is… not so good.

What do you guys think?

a06397 No.35460

>>35458

I think she was supposed to have stowed away on one of her father's cargo jets at the end of the last season. I guess RT forgot about that or they don't know the difference between a passenger jet and a cargo one.

>>35459

I still think the characters look off somehow. I'm pretty sure it's the lighting on them, but I can't pin down exactly what it is. Background elements and particle effects do look better, so I'll give them credit for that.

3ab540 No.35464

>>35460

If we go with the idea that Monty was "heavily inspired" by MMD models. The head shape is very much based on retro anime. An almost Roswell Grey alien shape with a large cranium, but an extremely narrow and short area for the jaw. Like an up-sidedown onion with the tip shaved down. It's not as extreme as that though (sort of like how that design trope lessened over time to the almost spherical head shape we get in low-budget anime now).

Now the head shapes are a little more realistic in the jawline and head shape. Which works on paper- if it wasn't for the fuck huge eyes.

So it looks wrong for several reasons:

1. It doesn't look like what we expect the character to look like (IMO, as long as you can tell from the face and clothes, it's fine).

2. It doesn't look right proportionately- yet isn't exaggerated enough to be a clear style (not the uncanny valley- but somewhere close)

Again, RT improved in area X but not thinking about how it affects other areas. Like how the textures and particle effects now look too good for the characters.

bff0cd No.35467

>>35460

>I think she was supposed to have stowed away on one of her father's cargo jets at the end of the last season.

I distinctly remember the one butler who wasn't an ass taking Wiess through a secret passage into the hangar, where she talked to a pilot (without the butler) to take her somewhere, presumably Beacon v.2

>>35467

Wasn't Weiss heading to wherever the fuck team RNJR is now?

I think Yang is also going there, but I'm not sure what Blake is going to do right now. Maybe head to the same city because having all of them split up was an awful idea?

6b9d9c No.35469

First of all:

>BMBLB shitfest

>White Roses first thing shown

Rooster Teeth have cheek, I'll give them that much.

Anyway, it looked way better, but it just didn't feel right to me. It seemed like it would've suited volume 1. or Fuck it, just have a "Volume 0", a backstory behind the story.

>>35468

RWBY is converging on Mistral now.

Weiss: To hang out / hide with Winter.

Blake: To stop assassination attempts by the White Fang

Yang: To find Raven / Ruby.

and yes, Having them split up was a terrible idea. it literally wasn't needed other than to over exert the drama and trauma that was afflicted upon them.

bff0cd No.35470

>>35469

>it literally wasn't needed other than to over exert the drama and trauma that was afflicted upon them.

It'd have been more interesting, if they were there, as friends together dealing with the terrible trauma of having been through a poorly executed tone shift in the story.

Blake already has a track record of running away, so that was kinda expected, but the rest of the crew had no excuse.

6b9d9c No.35471

>>35470

>the rest of the crew had no excuse.

Ironically, the purest one of the them all (Ruby) literally had no excuse to abandon Yang.

>Blake runs away, like the filthy Faunus she is

>Weiss gets Yanked by her father away

>Yang just shuts down

Ruby only had a hunch, and it wasn't even her own, to go to Mistral, that's all. Qrow told her and she decided that heading out there to do… something… was more important than tending to her older sister who had her name dragged through radioactive mud and mutilated.

3ab540 No.35472

File: a0e0351d426283a⋯.jpg (44.08 KB, 495x495, 1:1, SHIT FUCK HELP STOP.jpg)

I know this is season 4 talk, but I just realized the stupidest thing.

Ruby & Yang live on Patch. Apparently their home is in Patch.

Patch is an island.

So NOT ONLY did Ruby take a boat to the mainland and NOT take one (even around the coast to avoid sea-monsters) straight to the other academy, but Yang rode her motorbike to the crossroad on the mainland somehow.

Do these guys just forget shit they wrote?

a06397 No.35473

>>35470

>Blake terrified that Adam will find her and maybe finish what he started with Yang

>Weiss afraid that her father will find her to take her back home

>Yang FUCKING PISSED that she lost her arm while having traumatic dreams about the whole incident (and maybe a little upset at Blake because she thinks Blake could've done more to stop Adam)

>Ruby still shaken by what happened to Pyrrha

>All of them staying at Taiyang's place together while they figure out what to do

>Then Qrow comes along and tells them he's going to gather up the rest of the maidens or something and RWBY decides to go with him so they can feel useful instead of sitting around while everything goes down the shitter

Something like that, maybe. And they could meet JNR at some point on the way and show Jaune dealing with his crippling depression over Pyrrha's death.

3ab540 No.35475

>>35473

I don't even mind them splitting up- it's just that they did nothing while split up.

Ruby saved a handful of villages (or one) and never really showed the difficulty of getting to the next Academy aside from getting lost and carting Qrow's body around.

Weiss lost her temper (and they missed the chance of showing shit escalating so it came across like she over-reacted) and lost the family heir- meaning she now has NO chance to fix Schnee from the inside.

Blake went home, realized the White Fang are pretending Adam isn't with them, and got a pep talk from Ma & Pa.

Yang had trauma, learned a tactical lesson she should have learned at school or at the tournament, then got over her trauma quick.

Apart from Ren & Nora facing their fears & traumas- it just doesn't work. No one matured or learned anything.

Have Ruby fail at being a leader. Show Weiss struggling to keep her cool as everyone involved with Schnee does more bullshit. Have Blake address her issues with running away- have Sun as a confrontation, not a shoulder to cry on and legitimize for her. Have Yang's trauma more prevalent (coming out during training with Tai) and having to come to terms that she has lost potential thanks to her arm and her mind.

For a series with literal monsters that feed on negative emotion- RT sure seems scared to show the characters dealing with deep issues (only issues everyone has experienced but on a surface level- death of a loved one, letting people down, prejudice). It's something I've noticed in a lot of modern shows- people are afraid to show their characters fucking up. Usually this is due to a comic relief/cuck character that bumbles around (so no one else can make errors or be compared to them) or they make very immature and basic mistakes (like the Flash show). They want their characters to be badasses- and have an emotional story.

Make them an 80s/90s faultless hero or give them flaws. You can't have both.

The only excuse RT have is the short run time of each episode + how many episodes they have in a season (then again, I like older media where characters can show motivation or exposition in just a line or two. Something that; again, is kinda dead in most modern media now and has to be either heavily hinted at so everyone can get it, or comes out the ass)

All this missed potential makes it hard to enjoy the show. They're so close all the time and they just keep going the wrong way. If it was a person your love for them would rot away and you'd cut them out of your life.

6b9d9c No.35476

>>35475

>It's something I've noticed in a lot of modern shows- people are afraid to show their characters fucking up

to me, that just screams of escapism, not watching to show to watch a good show, but to just escape from the world. A Teenage girl/boy that's a walking WMD saving the day from evil, having no flaws, or having flaw that are shaken off in a matter of a few episodes (Weiss' racism comes to mind). How the hell is that NOT escapism?

it's also why Jaune and Ruby have such a bland personality, with the exception of Ruby's Love of weaponry (because of her anti-social behavior) and Jaune's infatuation with Weiss and with Pyrrah at the end (Beta male trying to get outside his class), two basic problems almost everyone can relate to.

3ab540 No.35477

>>35476

You're kind of right- but I disagree a little on Ruby.

While she does uses anime stereotypes (cutesy, naive, sweet, yet an almost knight-oath level dedication to her friends and doing the right thing) the writers did sprinkle her personality traits here and there. Just not enough.

Her love of weapons is brought up once- yet we never see her tinker with her weapon (or others) or talk about the genuine pros and cons of Schnee weapons that Weiss may not have heard from.

She tries to be the peacemaker in arguments or encourage people- but other than Jaune and maybe with Ren in Season 4 we don't see her do it that often.

Like how flaws are one-and-done, the writers mention personality traits once and drop it.

6b9d9c No.35478

>>35477

>Like how flaws are one-and-done, the writers mention personality traits once and drop it.

That's how I can think they could shake things up; Give Ruby an Immovable Object. No matter how much she does, no matter how much she fights or be friendly or wants to help, she can't. or if she does, she makes it absolutely worse. Test her psyche, her limits. If she starts to break, JNR could be there to help back on the path.

Despite all that happened, she still has that childish frame of mind. what happens when she realizes she has to grow up fast?

3ab540 No.35479

>>35478

Which should have happened in Season 4.

Jaune should have been a mess she couldn't fix.

Ren & Nora should have had an actual harsh argument with her and/or Jaune over going through the village.

The places they did save should have had more incidents of some people still being lost to Grim attacks (can't save everyone) or her having to choose between making progress to the academy, or staying to help (help the majority or help the minority you know).

They're doing film school writing held up by anime tropes & fanbase.

The saddest thing is- with the average seasonal-anime you get, that level of writing is acceptable (hence why it's liked in Japan and by Weaboos)

6b9d9c No.35480

>>35479

Honestly, we should just make a bingo box. Think of all the actual good ideas about what would happen to the characters and see how many of them filled by the end of the volume.

>Weiss is broke, has to get by without dust

>Blake tries to restart good white fang, is mistaken by the bad ones

>What we just talked about with Ruby and RNJR

>Yang still having mental problems, and having problems with her life because of the fixed match by Cinder.

3ab540 No.35481

>>35480

TBH you could make a cliche bingo sheet as well.

If you overlay them and get a bingo then that means the show is OK? I guess??

6b9d9c No.35482

>>35481

Yeah but with the "good writing" bingo, you can ether be smug about predicting a good plotline correctly, or just sigh in the hell of your knowing that they'll never get better as the bingo sheet is empty.

Cliche bingo sheet is just a gimme. Think of the worst shit and you got a 50/50 chance it might actually happen, and be pleasantly surprised they don't fuck up once.

The pain and heartache is what make the "Good" Bingo sheet fun.

3ab540 No.35483

>>35482

Alrighty. Dumping what I can think of. (Will need to rewrite to squeeze them in when you select what to use).

> Particle effects & textures are better (Free space)

> Yang will get visions of Adam during a fight.

> Yang will get a vision and lash out at a friend or a neutral person.

> Head teacher/Cowardly Lion Expy sacrifices himself.

> The rest of team SSSN turn up to help Sun & Blake.

> RWBY reunites during a fight scene (narrowly missing meeting each other during the fight, or suddenly drawing weapons on each other expecting a foe).

> Ren replies to Nora's Boop with "I love you to."

> Ren and Nora feel guilty showing their feelings for one another in front of Jaune.

> Fighting is back to Monty level.

> Voice acting is good (for dubbed anime).

> Oscar can channel Ozpin so he can speak.

> Oscar's mom isn't just forgotten.

> Glynda Goodwitch is still in the show despite the drama with the VA

> We actually see Beacon & Vale being rebuilt.

> Reasons given for why Faunus hate is legitimized beyond fear of the White Fang (fear of them outbreeding humans, original Faunus culture being somehow incompatible with human culture, etc).

> We learn/get clues why Cinder wants the Maidens/Artifacts beyond for power's sake.

> Characters realistically mature/change after overcoming a problem.

> Learn more of the world's history outside a WoR video (why wars started, the "War on individuality", why the Faunus were hated beyond "muh racism" and Faunus wars

> Total avoidance of comparisons to current affairs and real world politics- on either end of the scale (you can have villains who hoarde up and close themselves off from the world. But pairing that with crying brown faces and the same arguments we heard during the election is not).

> Romances that blossom are realistic. (This includes lesbian ones if they occur).

> We learn who the fuck Raven and her tribe are.

> Music is as good as Season 1-2.

> RWBY meet up for realistic reasons (this applies more to Weiss and Blake).

> Jaune's zweihander mode for his sword is modified so it actually looks bigger- rather than just having a different edge and not look any heavier (to make it look heavier is more an animation thing though)

6b9d9c No.35484

>>35483

Will be making this soon enough.

Honestly, Maybe introduce a character who isn't evil or good. Someone who understands the world of Remnant, but does not align with Ozpin or Salem, knowing that they are not the good and evil of the world, but just the chess masters. He walks his path, does shit on his own terms. Maybe he helps RNJR/RWBY or maybe he will be in conflict with them, depending on their agendas.

a06397 No.35485

>>35483

>Ozpin and his conflict with Salem and her minions is given explanation

>Neo returns to hunt Ruby down to avenge Roman

>The maidens become important to the plot again

>We learn why/how Ozpin has possessed Oscar (whether it's his semblance or something more than that)

>White Fang act like more of a threat instead of bumbling mooks (aside from Adam)

>Penny returns, but with complications

>Roman returns (joke)

>Jaune figures out his semblance and it isn't something stupid

04aa0d No.35486

>>35480

>>35481

Bingo boxes were partly lost due to April Fool's pranks, but they are the first posts in the thread:

Gone:

>>34441

>>34450

Present:

>>34439

>>34446

These are, however, mostly anger at the writing.

a06397 No.35487

>>35486

I saw someone post >>34450 in the /v/ thread for that big crossover game so I'm sure someone has it saved.

3ab540 No.35493

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

RE: Bumblebee and the chance of it becoming canon for the wrong reasons, I stumbled across this vid talking about how Avatar (or rather Korra) is crowbaring in the fan-ship in the follow-up canon comic.

> Boone Hoss

> Here in the RWBY fandom, it isn't uncommon for people who ship Bumblebee (a lesbian pairing between two of the female leads) to get very upset whenever their ship has a hole poked in it. The most recent example I can think of is when one of the voice actresses confirmed that a song from the soundtrack named after the ship was just fanservice and was just an afterthought of the writers. They sent her several death threats for about 2 days.﻿

Seems like it even redpilled a few RWBY fans on their own community.

IMO a lot of the stuff he says helps put into words why a poorly written Bumblebee is feared.

> Sexuality & prejudice against sexuality has not been explored before and will not be woven into the story without sticking out like a sore thumb.

> Over-focusing on how evil that prejudice is instead of greater evils that affect the whole world- political intrigue turning nations against each other, powerful relics & maidens falling into the hands of Salem, general fear of Grim attacks, etc.

> Focusing more on the soap-boxing against homophobia than exploring the relationship between the characters. That can include dealing with prejudice, but shouldn't be the focus of it unless they're in a world that doesn't tolerate it- which from all other signs it shouldn't be. Especially since they had the "War on Individuality", and that can be freely expanded by the writers to mean what they think a right-wing dictatorship is.

> Introduced purely to get clicks (via outrage, manufactured outrage, or virtue signalling) pandering, or out of fear instead of having a good story to go with it.

> General concerns of that sub-plot being poorly written, and dragging down the rest of the plot or quality of the show with it (like bad sub-plots tend to do- no matter their theme)

06b199 No.35494

Most people who seem to ask for bumblebee seemingly fail to realize that such an addition is superficial at best. Yuri pairings can work. Just look at Sakura Trick which was more like an excuse for otaku to watch two girls make out. The problem with RWBY's case, is that bumblebee would be merely a superficial addition to an already lackluster story. Making the pairing canon would not address the many problems the story has. It would not add to the characters' development, much less fit with the overarching themes. It would come off as fan pandering, and most of the time, pandering to your fanbase only makes the problems of your story stand out even more. And I'm not even touching on the fact that (1) neither Yang nor Blake are gay and (2) it would likely lead to further virtue signaling, making an already uninteresting story seem shallow, sacrificing believable and relatable situations for the sake of proving a point.

Speaking of which, I recall a certain person once said that the biggest mistake content creators (particularly studios and game devs) can make, is hire fans to do the work for them, or even listen to the fans and give them what they want. Most of the time, fans have no clue what they're saying, and what they ask for in their favorite works is just superficial, bizarre, or downright wrong and nonsensical. I forgot who said it exactly, but if you consider all works that had some degree of fan involvement, it starts making a lot more sense. One recent example I can think of is MKX, which has some of the worst character animations in recent fighting games. Many of the people working at NRS are long-time MK fans and instead of trying to create good 3D animations, decided to try and maintain that janky style of the older MKs. If you play MKX, you can see the results of that. Even KOFXIV has better 3d animations and that game looks like it could run on a PS2.

5a4831 No.35495

>>35493

> Especially since they had the "War on Individuality", and that can be freely expanded by the writers to mean what they think a right-wing dictatorship is.

Honestly, that sounds more like a general 1984 kinda thing (Which exactly wasn't clear who won, Nazi's or Commies). The three super powers were based off of Ingsoc, Neo-Bolshevism, and Obliteration of the Self

Imagine my shock, if they pull a twist and either don't do it about Nazi's, but also have the War on Individuality represent communism! Nazi's are more like "War on collectives we don't like", anyway.

3ab540 No.35498

>>35494

The only exception to that is when fans show they know what they're talking about.

Even here, we're (arguably) not qualified. We know what doesn't work, but how many could actually break down an idea for the direction the show could have gone, how to present it, and how it'd turn out?

Then you get shit like the Sonic Mania guy. He made ports of Sonic games to smartphones for fun, then sold them to Sega. On top of that he made his own fan games and heavily worked at getting the physics as close to 1-1 for Sonic 1, 2, or 3. He clearly showed he had knowledge, and is (arguably) qualified to make a retro style Sonic game.

Monty was the best animation autist you could ask for. But RT needs a story-writing autist. Someone who knows character arcs, plot development, etc. more than his own body.

5a4831 No.35499

>>35498

>But RT needs a story-writing autist. Someone who knows character arcs, plot development, etc. more than his own body.

Should I be the sacrificial lamb to the Toothy Rooster? Maybe if I wrote my book really fast I can catch the writing team during what they're doing in season 6, and do damage control for what they're doing.

3ab540 No.35500

>>35499

Miles & Kerry are the golden boys for RWBY. Unless they leave on good terms with RT- It'd be very easy for them to make a Shane-esque letter as they leave and throw RT under the bus.

So, RT will do what they want for RWBY. So unless you're really good at sucking hipster dick or good friends with Miles & Kerry, you're not getting the job. Even people within RT probably won't get the RWBY writing job since;

- They're writing something else.

- Miles & Kerry aren't leaving that job any time soon.

Though it does make me wonder who's working on their Mecha show. I suspect its the same people animating, and writing. Only this time it'll be Miles & Kerry's baby instead of Monty's.

3ab540 No.35501

Brief aside- what happened to that "soul combining" thing that was supposed to happen to Phyrra when she was gonna get Amber's Maiden powers?

Does that mean Cinder has a different personality as she's part Amber now- or is she immune (or the soul-fusion was the side effect of artificially doing it like they wanted to Phyrra)?

8b26c5 No.35502

>>35498

>Even here, we're (arguably) not qualified. We know what doesn't work, but how many could actually break down an idea for the direction the show could have gone, how to present it, and how it'd turn out?

Eh, speak for yourself. Writing something better than RWBY would't exactly be difficult, especially if you get to use the same characters and same premise.

a06397 No.35505

>>35501

I think it was a side-effect.

278aa5 No.35506

File: ca5170430bb0bac⋯.webm (5.99 MB, 480x272, 30:17, Straight sword fighting -….webm)

File: 14b51eba2ba86a7⋯.webm (1.85 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Jian Sword Dancing.webm)

>>35458

>HOW THE FUCK DID SHE GET A PRIVATE JET?!

She's still aboard the same cargo ship that she'd bought her way onto at the end of volume 4. They've just placed her closer to the windows for some reason.

>It's nice to see them incorporate ballet like movement into her attacks- but it still misses that flare Monty had.

That's part of the problem. Ballet-like movements conflict terribly with her former combat style. While there was a formalism it wasn't fencing, and the flow wasn't dancing, it was Chinese Sword (Jian 剑) techniques. Monty took the traditional then added some wuxia flair and gymnastics as per Kara's request. I'll miss the finger swords.

>And when she puts her hand to her head when her blade is knocked away- it looks out of place and feels mechanical.

That's again the problem with having to adhere to the storyboards of directors who don't understand action. Instead of the scene progression being organic, they had to contrive a way for her to loose her grip on Myrtenaster. It would have made much more sense for her to have gotten fatigued from using her glyphs. We've seen evidence of that before in vol 1 & vol 3. If that's what was happening then they should have communicated that more clearly, instead they had her go, "Oh, my head hurts".

>>While the VA showed how scared Weiss was when she was pinned down- her face didn't.

That undercut the threat of the Grimm again. Aside from their obsessive facial reaction shots, the fact she held off that big Grimm one-handed, taking no damage to flesh or clothing, sucked all tension out of the moment.

>>35472

>but Yang rode her motorbike to the crossroad on the mainland somehow

She took a ship to Anima first, same ship Blake took to Menagerie.

>>35501

>(or the soul-fusion was the side effect of artificially doing it like they wanted to Phyrra)?

quoting from this post >>33165 in the vol 4 thread

<"Regardless, their souls become combined, in a way."

<The way Qrow describes the transfer of maiden powers has changed from last volume. Back in vol 3, the powers alone transferred when a maiden died. The characters said as much, and we saw no evidence of the "soul bonding" that Qrow is talking about having any effect on Cinder. The big deal was that they wanted to prevent the remaining Fall Maiden power from going to Cinder when Amber died. So Oz, Glynda, Ironwood, and Qrow were going to use the Magic Aura Machine™ to transfer Amber's aura, which the maiden powers were bonded to, into SS Pyrrha. That left us with the question of whether the person known as SS Pyrrha would still exist after Amber's aura was shoved into her body. Now they've made it so that the power and soul transfer together normally which negates the special circumstances and desperate measures we saw them resort to with Amber in the vault under Beacon.

bca156 No.35508

>>35506

>She took a ship to Anima first, same ship Blake took to Menagerie.

It still doesn't explain why Ruby decided to do something as stupid as a road trip across Anima.

One thing though, the motorcycle thing can be seen as realistic. An average human walks at about 3 miles per hour. Walking 12 hours, that's 36 miles a day; experts generally say 25 miles a day (due to eating and finding lodging at the end of the day). A motorcycle on dirt roads can do maybe 25 to 35 miles per hour. If we assume the lower end for the motorcycle and the higher end for the walking, and have both travel 12 hours a day: Yang goes 300 miles a day; Ruby and co. go 252 miles a week. If it took Ruby six months to walk to where she was saved, it would have taken Yang three weeks to ride there. While, narratively, it appears that Yang may have taken a week to get there, the scenes of her leaving home and riding after Ruby could be from the recent past, being moved in the narrative to enhance the action of the plot (while possibly confusing or angering autists).

>>35508

>It still doesn't explain why Ruby decided to do something as stupid as a road trip across Anima.

Because they needed a plot but didn't want to do a story. it's literally filler. how many scenes that RNJR were on foot that will actually matter in volume 5?

278aa5 No.35510

File: d7a206eaf3c4c53⋯.mp4 (1.31 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, FFVII Advent Children - Cl….mp4)

>>35508

>It still doesn't explain why Ruby decided to do something as stupid as a road trip across Anima.

This is miles&kerry's world, homes. Ruby's just livin' in it. Trying to make sense of their story decisions will only drive you mad. Same goes for any time/distance calculation one could make. Miles&Kerry acknowledged the mistake of saying 6-8 months had passed. Other explanations they've provided about a Dust shortage limiting airship travel to the kingdoms would have been great to have in the show itself. Having Oscar just hop on a train & arrive in Mistral after an uneventful trip makes things worse because we don't know where anyone is located. We know that RNJR & Oscar are in Anima but not where they are, both in relation to Mistral or each other. The most we can surmise, because of how simple-minded RNJR are, is that they were traveling on the most direct route from the port (wherever it is) they landed when first arriving in Anima.

File: ef95be11f7598bf⋯.jpg (29.29 KB, 275x275, 1:1, 1414683186009.jpg)

>>35510

>Miles&Kerry acknowledged the mistake of saying 6-8 months had passed

Makes you wonder why the fuck they had that thought in the first place.

>Major shit happened to all of our characters

>I know, lets just jump forward to the point where they got over it

65b0c9 No.35517

>>34435

>all the signs are there

Bumbleby is cancer and will never happen you utter degenerate.

278aa5 No.35525

File: ce9b87223e1cc8a⋯.webm (1.54 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Meet Rooster Teeth Animat….webm)

>>35508

>It still doesn't explain why Ruby decided to do something as stupid as a road trip across Anima.

Forgot I actually had the clip where they explain it. Would have been better to put these explanations in the show, as was stated earlier.

3ab540 No.35526

>>35525

Wasn't Yang also supposed to be an e-celeb or something or have a minor following online?

If they had more time, noticing how quickly the public turns on her over the fake attack on Mercury would have been interesting.

But they've also done scummy shit like have World of Remnant videos be DVD exclusive. Like how Faunus and human couples make more Faunus. Kind of gives you an idea of one of the reason Faunus were hated.

3ab540 No.35527

File: 89ad5515487b400⋯.mp4 (8.68 MB, 640x360, 16:9, FG Fight.mp4)

It's sad this fight ends up better than fights produced in season 4.

278aa5 No.35529

File: c91b18387ef3943⋯.webm (1.47 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Season3 - 06_Yang's ….webm)

File: 516882c5e4de352⋯.png (2.03 MB, 639x8337, 213:2779, RWBY_Volume_5_Release_Date….png)

>>35526

>Wasn't Yang also supposed to be an e-celeb or something or have a minor following online?

vid for those who haven't heard Dunkleman & Luna explain Yang's supposed popularity, which was something else miles&kerry didn't bother to put into the show itself. Couple this with them ignoring Pyrrha's fame, after that scene in volume 1, and it becomes clear that they really need a fresh pair of eyes on their scripts. But we'll see, maybe someone in Mistral will recognize Yang as the vicious leg-breaker of the Vytal Festival Tournament.

__________

>It’s clear from talking to the cast and crew of RWBY, or literally any of the fans who dig into the creation of the series, that the show’s creator Monty Oum is still respected and beloved years after his unfortunate passing. Luna and Shawcross have been breaking story with Oum since the beginning, so the task of carrying RWBY forward falls on their capable shoulders, just as the voice cast must continue to perform in the face of strong emotions. They all spoke about Oum in high regard and were in agreement that the “Monty Factor” is still present in their work:

<Shawcross: We’ve been working on this from the very beginning, so every step of the process was us talking and figuring stuff out. At this point, what we talk about is the “Monty Factor”, which is just, at any stage of the pipeline, what’s the crazy thing we can throw out here? What’s the really wild, out-there thing that, at first impression you might go, ‘Wait a minute…’ but on second impression, you go, ‘That’s the perfect thing to do here!’

<I think that one of the things he brought to the table was he would take something like a traditional approach toward something and then do the wild thing at the end. I always thought that was the best thing. That, and style.

<Luna: Yeah, he was always very much like, “Do you have an idea that you think is cool? Do we have the time to do it? Even if we don’t, let’s try.”

<Haddock: There are multiple layers to the Monty Factor. The man was pure momentum; there was absolutely no stopping him. If you are spending more time thinking about it than doing it, then you need to smack yourself and just get started.

<Then there’s the spontaneity to it all. From the creative side, you’re trying to stay sensitive to the particularly crazy ideas to see if you can work them in even if at first you think, “That’s so strange. Why would you do that right there? Nah, let’s do it and figure out how to make it make sense later.”

<Jones: With RWBY, Miles and Kerry were there from the beginning with Monty so they know everything that he wanted to do and things he wanted to get to in the show. I think they’re doing him proud with everything; the show looks beautiful, the fanbase is incredible worldwide and so passionate. I think that he kind of lives on in them and all of us and all the fans every time a new episode of RWBY comes out.

<Dunkelman: Seeing the fanbase and how big it’s grown … we have international audiences. We never really had a market in Japan or Asia as a whole, and now we have that, too. It feels like Monty’s somewhere going, ‘I told you! I told you it would be like this!’

<Eberle: I actually saw a giant billboard in Japan on the side of a big skyscraper and it was all of his RWBY designs that he had drawn. I thought that was so cool. He definitely is seeing that. At the same time, I think he’s really excited … I say ‘he’ like he’s still around. I think he’s still watching everything.

‘RWBY’: Why You Should Be Watching Rooster Teeth’s Hit Anime Sensation

http://collider.com/rwby-volume-5-release-date/

https://archive.is/17YqQ

https://archive.is/ZGJWL

*archives don't seem to capture the whole interview

3ab540 No.35530

>>35529

Whether it's bluff for the interview or not- I do think there's genuine love for Monty from Miles & Kerry.

Problem is, you've got Monty doing something "wild" compared to what they think is wild.

Monty was no expert story-teller (if we assume season 1 and 2 was what he wanted)- elements were brushed over and there are still plot-holes. But if we consider his autism for animation, you can be sure there was a reason for everything that was put in the show, and it (usually) made sense for it to be in there. Qrow having the same "Nope!" response like Ruby does, Yang having a hyper-aggressive personality since her semblance helped solve most of her problems by going through them, when Weiss and Blake argue it's over cross purposes of all Faunus/The White Fang so that either side can be completely wrong or right based on what the argument topic is, showing Raven's strength by having an antagonist scared of her after deftly kicking the shit out of a protagonist etc.

From what we've seen of some of Season 3 and 4, I think Miles and Kerry do what looks cool, but it ends up contradicting what has been laid before.

Jaque slapping Weiss makes sense. Except how can she feel it through aura when she's been throw around by rocket blasts.

Sun getting the brunt of the chameleon girl's attack adds suspense. Except he's been able to dodge closer shaves in the tournament.

Yang has trauma from Adam, yet Blake doesn't. In fact, (as it's been said before) having Blake lose her arm would have made more sense- if it wasn't for the fact Yang would have no plot to go with (unless she's stabbed in the chest and has to keep her heart-rate low. Something an adrenaline junkie would abhor).

In that regard, it would be something M&K could improve with honest feedback (learning how to temper the weird & wonderful twists).

The problem is they get feedback very late (after a series is already done and written up) and the feedback they get is constant praise from people who are just happy to see anything with the characters (and due to being an internet company, it can be easy to dismiss criticism as "trolls" the more bitter and bigger you get).

Then again, when was the last time you saw an in depth analysis of why something does and does not work in a youtube comment?

Monty could keep moving forward because he had already spent an ungodly amount of time planning how to do it and learning how to animate it. Miles and Kerry can't work like Monty since they don't have his animation skill or his vision of the story.

That, and the episodes per season and episode lengths are shooting themselves in the foot. But I don't know if they'd fill longer episodes with character development, lore, and fights, or just expand upon stuff that doesn't work.

3ab540 No.35531

File: 6cbec61bcde7d82⋯.jpg (155.1 KB, 1080x1080, 1:1, Anime OMG.jpg)

>>35529

More developer commentary webms would be cool.

> Ruby tells Yang to "Break a leg".

> mfw

ec97d6 No.35532

>>35531

> Ruby tells Yang to "Break a leg".

Also in the beginning of Volume 3, Ruby said that she helps "control" Yang.

278aa5 No.35533

File: 244b2d0ae77e463⋯.webm (1.26 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Volume 2 Chapter 8 F….webm)

>>35530

>if we assume season 1 and 2 was what he wanted

They were, and yet, they weren't. They've let slip more in recent con appearances that the story was supposed to get darker much sooner than it did, how volumes 2 & 3 were originally supposed to be one and that at the last minute a decision was made to end volume 2 on an upbeat note. They've also mentioned in commentaries, given the logistics of their then small animation staff and being locked into a schedule, how they had to push off doing things they wanted to do in favor of wrapping the volume in the requisite number of episodes. So while volumes 1 & 2 were done his way, with the freedom of his process making it possible for that small team to get a show up and running, from initial "RED" trailer to complete first volume in 8 months, I couldn't really say they were "what he wanted".

278aa5 No.35534

File: dcc8b88605f63f7⋯.webm (10.4 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Volume 2 Production ….webm)

>>35531

>More developer commentary webms would be cool.

Any particular subjects you have in mind? Can't promise a fast response since there are multiple tracks & hours of commentary but we can give it a shot.

3ab540 No.35535

>>35533

It's a fucking shame they had the schedule they did, but I also can't see any company no matter the size being fine with "Yeah, give us 6 months/one year and we'll have the first season done."

And in a rare moment, I agree with splitting Season 2 and 3 where they did.

Maybe the original plan had more elements so 2 and 3 blended together (the dust heists happening a few weeks or even during the Vytal Festival, and the army of White Fang/Stolen Mechs going straight to the Festival for a raid)- but as they stood their stories were their own things. It helped show Cinder was building up her plans over time- implying it took her months of prep work (years if we include getting WF, Mercury, and Emerald on board) which is more realistic. It's just a shame Season 3 didn't give much to focus on.

>>35534

Anything that's relevant to what's been said about Season 4/past seasons from youtube, DVDs or Cons.

Anything that can shed light on which people around Monty were competent or incompetent, loved the show or tried to wrestle control from him.

3ab540 No.35536

>>35534

God Ruby has gotten more higher pitched over time. The squeaker voice works better, but as Ruby gets older or even for Summer, the other voice works as well.

3ab540 No.35537

>>35517

Usually I'd sage this post, but on the board front page, the thread looks like this >>35517 is the last post.

Dunno why later posts aren't showing up. Hopefully my bump fixes it.

If not, it's probably some minor shenanigans to fix.

278aa5 No.35538

File: 129c211b4bf22d5⋯.png (61.76 KB, 673x1069, 673:1069, Rooster_Teeth_Productions_….png)

>>35535

>It's a fucking shame they had the schedule they did, but I also can't see any company no matter the size being fine with "Yeah, give us 6 months/one year and we'll have the first season done."

Would have been better if miles&kerry hadn't decided to change the story once the series got approved. The small team could've handle a more lean & compact story.

>>35535

>Anything that can shed light on which people around Monty were competent or incompetent, loved the show or tried to wrestle control from him.

As a beginning I can point to this post >>34187 from the vol 4 thread. Though, this post from glassdoor is hard to beat. It lends more credence to what Shane wrote about Monty wanting to move the animation team off-site, like they finally did last year. Meddling producers, screwing over the animators because of their whims, must be a pain.

e05a89 No.35545

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Not RWBY but its good to see Dillon's (an animator from Volume 3) still on his Katsu! kick.

e05a89 No.35546

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>>35535

>And in a rare moment, I agree with splitting Season 2 and 3 where they did.

That's the problem with squeezing an unconventional show into a conventional show structure. Adherence to that formalism made for a dissatisfying volume conclusion which was then contradicted in the subsequent volume. What the freedom of a web series allows should have been that they could expand or contract a volume to contain the stories that were being told, within reason of course (not everybody could work like Monty). Instead, Rooster Teeth crammed RWBY into a pre-existing mold which had the effect of distorting the story they were trying to tell. I understand that the original plan was for it to get more mature sooner than volume 3 but my point is that they should have had the freedom to push that off to volume 5 if necessary. Or better yet, integrate the dark tone of the (first 3) trailers into the show from the start so the eventual ratcheting up of tension isn't so striking. Unfortunately, the way it was done fell flat in a lot of respects not least of which was the show's failure to develop the Kingdom of Vale. The Vale World of Remnant (WOR) episode is also an example of this compared to the WOR episodes for the other kingdoms. They've talked repeatedly about how Torchwick was originally supposed to die in volume 1, but how that changed both with regard to story and how the viewership reacted to the character. The same thinking should have applied to Vale & Beacon. Make it mean something that Beacon fell, besides checking off a predetermined plot point. We should have been shown enough of its people and places to make us miss the Kingdom of Vale. As it stands, the only thing that seems to be of concern to the fandom, from the 3 volumes spent in Vale, is when they'll see that shopkeeper character again.

Threadbare, yet fluffy, is how I'd describe the plot for volumes 1-3. There was so much that needed to be communicated that ultimately wasn't and what surprises most is that the story was set in the perfect environment for exposition dumps about the world, yet we only got a couple that were well integrated into the show. Instead, we got saddled with cheap visual gags, an unwanted romantic subplot (based on one of the writers improv with a voice actress) and off-screen plot progression which damaged story integrity. The shuffling of plot points left us with a good build up to the terrible volume 2, chapter 12. A simple change in tone and willingness to deliver on the series premise would have made that finale unforgettable. Yet, what should have been a nightmare senario for the people of Vale and a chance to prove both the threat of Grimm and the purpose of Huntsmen, got turned into a clown car performance. Especially since, when they reference the episode in Volume 3, they treat it like the city had been overrun when we plainly saw they'd not been. However, had teams RWBY & JNPR (being rookies) been overwhelmed and unable to adequately protect the city and citizens of Vale, it would have justified the use of the Atlesian Knights and the combat debut of team CFVY. Torchwick's between season successful dust thievery (which along with the restricted shipments from Atlas are effecting the world in Volumes 4 & 5) is another problem. He'd been thwarted twice in Vol 1, first by Ruby then by Penny, then somehow between volumes he manages to steal every speck of dust in the kingdom. But the dust thefts had no apparent effect on the story in volumes 2 & 3. We know that it effected volume 4 only in hindsight because Kerry says that's part of the reason for the RNJR road trip to Mistral >>35525 and compares it to oil shortages >>35376. This only worsens the fact that the characters don't mention lack of Dust, which is not even in the news, and the kingdom seems largely unaffected by not having it. Dust is supposed to be vital, so why doesn't it come across that way?

>It's just a shame Season 3 didn't give much to focus on.

That's because inspite of repeatedly delaying or rearranging plot points in the past, with volume 3 they suddenly decided to not look at what the characters, story, or world-building needed, but to say that these things are scheduled to happen at the end of volume 3 so they will happen regardless. Knowing that things were more compressed initially helps make sense of events and certain characters appearing early. Once they'd finished volume 2 they should have taken a step back broadened their view and seen that their original scheduling no longer served RWBY.

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RWBY Volume 4 But Faster, Arcs are Pieced Together, and Character Screentime Is Measured

bac44e No.35547

When I think about it, time wise, RWBY would have been better if it was released as a series of OVAs. The pacing and timing would have been a lot better as 1 hour stories, and things like the Jeanne Arc of the Villain Arc could be turned into smaller 20 minute shorts.

They could have polished things up more, too, if they did things that way. Just imagine if you took the first half of Volume 1, slowed the pacing down, and gave a lot more focus to initiation. With the right lighting and such, you could give the forest a real sense of darkness to it, and then stretch out the situation with the giant Grimm to make them even more intimidating.

With some minor modifications and moving things around, you could really go a long way. I'd also say keeping Salem out of the picture should be a must, except as a hint in the villain story. Maintaining Cinder as the "main bad", revealed after Roman is dispatched in maybe Movie 2 or 3, would be a good way to go about things.

e261ce No.35549

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

<The effort you put forth to anything transcends yourself…

3ab540 No.35551

>>35549

< Although I am one person,but I have no time limit. It is different with RWBY V4 Team.If they have more time,they can do better.﻿

> Implying they have the time to teach Austin Uni Grads to go against what their teachers told them.

> Implying they have the time and the humility to let someone who is as autistic focused as Monty to work freely without amateur hour executive meddling.

> Implying if that even if they had the above, they'd give them the run time needed, before Burnie looses his shit that it's not making money right that second.

> Implying it'd fix the state of the story.

e05a89 No.35552

File: 8d340f561f82b6f⋯.webm (3.84 MB, 640x360, 16:9, VID_20170709_100901_465.webm)

File: 4d1ccc5960a3bd2⋯.webm (7.86 MB, 640x360, 16:9, VID_20170709_102640_335.webm)

Thanks to youtube user Sai Cresent for the vids. These are from the panels I wish had been made available online.

e05a89 No.35553

File: bc0cb76c1adaef3⋯.webm (8.31 MB, 640x360, 16:9, VID_20170709_103738_726.webm)

File: e5959ec35a8c2f8⋯.webm (2.45 MB, 640x360, 16:9, VID_20170709_104941_186.webm)

e05a89 No.35554

File: 1a515d08ced1a6f⋯.webm (5.02 MB, 640x360, 16:9, VID_20170709_131039_868.webm)

e05a89 No.35555

File: f64efd9ff2658cd⋯.webm (8.04 MB, 640x360, 16:9, VID_20170709_143717_792.webm)

3ab540 No.35557

>>35552

>>35553

>>35554

>>35555

I've softened on them a little. They know the theory behind what to do- it's just a lack of experience and execution that screws them.

Not to mention how the plot is panning out, and not being able to do action like Monty.

I totally agree they shouldn't do things like every other animation/production house since they are an internet company and that changes what your audience expects and when (not to mention Monty working very free-flow)- but the storyboards show they at least understand what they want to do. They've even got some time saving measures like the generic crowd animations (though they should modify them if needed. I.e. people craning over people in front of them to see, or turning away in disgust depending on what's happening).

As long as they don't get burn-out or hit deadlines, if nothing else the particle effects and lighting will look pretty. However, particle effects needing impact (i.e. the snow drifts/energy waves hitting Weiss)- they need to think very carefully on how to give it weight and how it interacts with the world around it.

> Last Webm

> Basics of Animation

From the guys who had Cinder gliding across rooftops in season 2.

In all seriousness- this might give a hint to their basic problems.

They make a generic animations in advance (I.e. Weiss Climb 1) and modify the scene to it. To save time of course- they're bound to need that animation at some point- right?

Instead, they need to spend the extra time making a fresh animation for every episode outside of truly generic stuff running or walking.

Is the character tired or energetic? Excited or reluctant? Do they have all the time in the world, or do they need to move fast?

The character's mood and what's happening can dramatically change how a character moves.

There's some animation thing on youtube that was part of some class project- showing a blank blob of a character walking into a room and sitting on a chair. But- under different moods. When they're happy, when they're scared, when they're sad. Albeit, that particular one was Loony Tunes in terms of how overblown it was- but the rules apply.

The guys can't save time or money with generic animations since it makes everything seem generic; or they have to scramble to modify them later, manipulate the scene, or produce unique animations when they have less time. Unless it's something someone would naturally do "neutrally" (walking, running and- despite the earlier example- sitting down or standing up) it needs a fresh animation. And even then there's bound to be scenarios when a character throws themselves into a seat arrogantly and drapes their legs over the arm of the chair, or someone runs for their life dodging a barrage of mortar fire.

Sure they looked naff in Season 1 & 2- but they were getting better by 3.

edbbb8 No.35576

Ever thought who'll reunite with Ruby? If so will it make it a small feud?

3ab540 No.35580

>>35576

Yang is the obvious candidate. I don't see it causing friction initially, but there might be some drama kicked up for the sake of it (Yang mad Ruby left home, Yang trying to compensate for her arm loss by protecting Ruby in fights even though she can protect herself, etc)

But I can see her having PSTD and trying to hide it from RWBY. Hell, maybe she hurts Ruby because of it (mistaking her for Adam and hurting her, hurting her as she flails around, or being frozen in fear while Ruby gets attacked). Basically trying to make drama via angst like the aftermath of Vol 3.

Weiss is on a plane, and I hate to say it, but I can see her turning up. If Yang hates Blake for "running away"- what the hell must she think of Weiss? If she knows Weiss has a strict family and issues, why do Blake's known issues not give her a free pass (albeit- she hasn't revealed she used to work for the White Fang and only briefly discussed how she runs from problems IIRC)? Otherwise, Yang should be just as (unreasonably) angry with Weiss for running.

Ruby will be happy to have her bestie back.

Weiss might cause drama via her being cut off. It'll try to come across like the stress of everything else she's under is magnified by having a lower quality of life (food, bedding, clothing, etc) but it'll actually come across like she's spoiled and still expecting the best- despite living in dorms with the team for (presumably) months and living the "common folk life" already (especially when on mission).

I'm hoping her drama is actually her trying (and failing) to improve the world around her. If she sees injustice and poverty she'll try to solve it as one person- and fail. Making her realize just how important it is she somehow reclaims her heir. It also gives a chance for her and Ruby to talk- Weiss asking her how she copes with not being able to save everyone and Ruby giving an answer… Whatever that is ("better to save some then not at all"~ though that doesn't explain if she thinks it's better to focus on the long term time-sensitive mission of getting to Haven vs. every village in-between. But TBF- Ruby is probably the sort of person who would stop and help every person because she can't leave people in need).

By all logic and reason- Blake can't turn up. She needs to stay at home, rebuild and modify the White Fang from it's "home" in Menagerie. How can you convert a continent of Faunus if you can't fix a small island? Not to mention Menagerie gives a nice HQ got the peaceful White Fang until they get a foothold on the mainland, and Israel style place-of-refuge for all peaceful Faunus.

However, if Weiss and Yang are there- why shouldn't Blake? The above reason is good- but the team "should be together" or it needs to follow a pattern of reuniting (Yang reunites in Vol 5, Weiss in Vol 6, Blake in 7. Or Ruby & Yang in 6 along with Weiss & Blake elsewhere, and all meet up again in Vol 7). So, unless Weiss plane needs to divert (flying Grim attack/crashes into the ocean) and she washes up on Menagerie (which would be damn interesting for Blake. "I support peaceful White Fang. Here's my friend- the daughter of the guy more than half of you hate and most of that group want dead.") I think Blake's first priority for the Peaceful White Fang… Is to campaign in Haven. Maybe Headteacher Lionheart is a Faunus, and is hoping his voice will lend credibility?

In any case, if Blake meets up with the group- Weiss and Blake might have stuff to talk about (Blake reveals/gets found out by Weiss she used to be violent White Fang, Weiss explains she lost her heir-ship making Blake feel conflicted as the embodiment of the person she'd wanted to have killed is now against oppression and doesn't have access to the company that "hurt" Faunus, etc). Yang and Blake will have their argument, which I sort of already discussed here:

>>35566

>>35567

In short, they argue, they fight, they argue, and make up in FAR too short a time-frame. Mainly hindered by RT sucking at character arcs but so did Monty to an extent and it being a very complex issue agitated by their high-running emotions (they are teens still) that is hard to solve even with robotically level heads.

How can you trust someone that'll run away when shit hits the fan?

How can you let people trust you when you're the reason they were mutilated or lost everything they had?

e3e42d No.35587

>>35551

>Implying it'd fix the state of the story.

Nothing will fix it at this point, let's be honest

ec748b No.35590

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ec748b No.35597

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They seem to be trying to make things look more crowded. Kerry said, at an earlier panel, that the other trailers (Blake & Yang) wouldn't be combat focused.

3ab540 No.35598

>>35597

Who's to bet this one scene is to justify Menagerie as awful to live in.

Everything has these opulent wood mansions. Unless it turns out they don't have decent hospitals, and get a bad deal on trade (due to distance a'la Australia), then Faunus don't have a case to complain about being sent to Menagerie. Sure they have past transgressions against them, but they've not shown a decent reason for Faunus to be mad beyond what the White Fang tells them and a handful of racist cases.

Its been said in this thread or another- Menagerie needs to be a slum/shithole to make the audience understand why Faunus went to and were sold on the idea of extremes. Otherwise (ironically from a company that's left leaning) it makes Faunus look like they are over-reacting and idiots who border on Dindu levels of gimmedat and expecting a city & all it's luxuries to spring up on the island by someone else doing the work.

> Austin Hipsters don't understand why people become racist.

> Austin Hipsters don't understand why cultures turn to terrorism.

If they can't do it well, I hope they avoid it entirely then (Blake Vs. White Fang in simple good vs. evil).

6da94d No.35600

>>35598

Maybe what we need from Menagerie is the Second Liberian Civil War: children high on cocaine wandering the streets with assault rifles.

678c6a No.35601

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So we're on for Monday.

According to one particularly annoyed redditor, who claims to have been at Crunchyroll Expo but who could very well be trolling, the focus of Blake's short is about Ilia (the chameleon Faunus girl) and not Blake herself. about the only way Ilia isn't a failure is if Adam contrived to have her make herself known to Blake and to leak the info to Blake in a scheme so convoluted it could only be intentional

>>35598

It's interesting, in a way. From Blake's dialogue about "controversial labor forces and questionable business partners" the fandom immediately jumped to OMG!!! SLAAAVE LABUUR!!! levels of outrage. Cardin grabs a rabbit-girl's ears and the fandom whines OMG!!! MUH OPRESSHUN!!! Weiss dislikes Sun, who she'd only seen evading arrest after stowing away on a boat, the fandom shouts OMG!!! DAS RACISSSM!!! Last volume with Menagerie, the fandom once again cries OMG!!! MUH SEPERATE BUT EQUAL!!! So you're left wondering whether anything more explicit is necessary. If those who love the show and insist it's great will induce anything no matter how ludicrous to make the story work, do mileskerry&grey even need to bother with specifics?

apologies for the green lines in the webm.

1eda2f No.35608

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cb3bc3 No.35609

>>35608

IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING

Errors like this happened all the time in non-fight scenes, but attention to details in the action scenes has been lost. Not just stuff like this, but style.

The way her coat flutters and reacts to her moving is good, but (even with the footage slowed down) there's no urgency or energy in her running. Being she's this pseudo-ninja fighter, you'd expect some suspension of disbelief and have her move her legs faster, and her torso leaning much further forward a'la classic anime wall running (the person putting in so much energy into the run you can almost believe they're going fast enough to pull it off).

The camera being level with the wall is a nice touch- but there's no excitement. This is much harder to describe, but they almost need to keep the camera further back to show more of what's happening, or maybe even show her face more clearly to show the exertion she's putting into the running.

Also- bare in mind the building she's running up and the town is on a remote island that only had huts up to this point. What are those buildings for? Can't be a store since you'd expect market stalls as they have less to sell. Can't be an apartment complex since it seems like everyone gets their own hut. It feels far too sophisticated for the ideal of Menagerie they told us. Who the fuck would think they were oppressed when they live in a place that can produce that? If the whole thing turns out to show how easily the White Fang convince it's followers they're oppressed then kudos. Otherwise, seems like Faunus are doing pretty well in Menagerie or got a lot of foreign aid.

I'm still hyped, I'm just disappointed they're making errors like this still- both in animation and story telling. Will be watching Webms with all you guys

e6b85c No.35613

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Needs a MP4, but thoughts?

b9592a No.35614

>>35613

Start out with the good: the more mature divided loyalties subtext that they are going to fuck up.

I like Ilia's motivation, but I don't feel that the writers are competent enough for her to ever have the realization that her hatred for humans is as juvenile and ignorant as the behavior that spawned it. (It is a progressive assertion that belief in hatred like this in only believed because the individuals holding such opinions were taught that by their parents, who were taught by their parents, down back to an economic (slavery) or political (Germany) convenience. If you believe (or, in Ilia's case, know) that this hatred is derived from ignorance, then it is petty and childish for you to hate the people who espouse it.)

Why is the crowd not moving? The top-down shots have Sun and Blake moving through a static crowd. Even as they go through the crowd, the people are standing around for no reason instead of milling about for no reason. It's great that they made Menagerie denser, but all the people are cardboard cutouts.

678c6a No.35615

File: 9323586a72c5044⋯.webm (9.76 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Volume 5 Blake Chara….webm)

>>35613

The existence of Neon makes a lie of Ilia's experiences in Atlas.

>>35614

>If you believe (or, in Ilia's case, know) that this hatred is derived from ignorance, then it is petty and childish for you to hate the people who espouse it.)

Using Weiss' outburst at the charity function last volume as a guide, they're going to flub this theme to heretofore unseen levels.

33b3ec No.35616

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>35614

>>35615

I fucking hate the entire fanus racism thing maybe if they looked more like fucking animals but as it stands they are just fucking humans with random animals parts WHO STILL ACT LIKE HUMANS basically are just just 10% furries.

The racism has no weight behind it if that means anything Fanus

>Speak English

>Are modern and well adjusted to modern living

>Do not have a religion or ideals

Maybe if fanus had the possibility of going berserk due to them being half animal out of no where then maybe I could see it but this shit is weak.

6db07e No.35617

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>>35616

Yeah, that's my problem with muh Fawnuhs raycism. Cosmetic features aside, Faunus are literally no different from humans.

>no unique Faunus language

>no unique fashions

>no unique cuisine

>no unique lifestyles or philosophies

>no unique cultural practices, standards, and rituals

>no different moral values

There's nothing unique that Faunus do so that humans can say something like "Faunus dress strangely, eat disgusting food, worship different gods, and think it's okay to marry your cousin, what a bunch of backwards, ignorant, and filthy barbarians they are!"

cb3bc3 No.35618

>>35613

>>35615

> The existence of Neon makes a lie of Ilia's experiences in Atlas.

Literally my first thought. Unless she's an Uncle Tom kinda thing, or she was a diversity hire/enrollment. Imagine hearing the up-going party girl was enrolled and sent to the Vytal Festival just so Atlus could push back claims of racism. Or her finding out, being accused of it, or having that doubt in her mind.

Hello missed opportunities, how have you been?

- How does the girl with "freckles" the size of liver spots pass for human? Especially if her color changing is emotion based. Hell, she's probably more experienced now than she was then, so she should have been changing colors like Mardi Gras.

- Sun flinches like an amateur and not a trained warrior (that aside, I've fucking LOVED his animation in this so far. Much more active and interesting- showing his care-free attitude and monkey-moves). I don't mind the guy shooting acting like he does, but it's like Weiss Vs. Chainsaw man. We've seen such skill from the fighters in the past, it seems like this should be over in a blink.

- Actually, how the fuck does Blake have this White Fang guy on file? And being the WF is respected and peaceful here, why does he need to run? Let her start an incident so her claims against the group have less weight when she started the fight. I mean, he could walk away casually, Blake demands to have a word with him, then he breaks into a sprint. Show her as smarter and still shows him as a flighty.

- I get Blake had some hesitation to go against an old friend, but it looked like indecision. Have her run forward as a reaction to Illia shooting the crane, then having to stop because of the boxes. Instead, she didn't seem to care the boxes fell.

- Kinda was expecting Illia to tail-end her story. Minor gripe, was expecting a stinger line to end the trailer.

Bitching aside, I loved what they did (Illia's story over the action, how Illia's story was told so it kinda of applies to anyone, rather than just X minority even people who lost friends because they lost their minds post-election. In fact, it better applies to politics & beliefs than it does race. Pretending to believe something to fit in. Having that one incident that breaks it).

cb3bc3 No.35619

>>35616

>>35617

If we go with what was said earlier

> Hatred because of history

If the Faunus did (or were falsely accused of) something awful in the past, then it could be past down. Hell, the English hate the French, the Japanese hate the Koreans, a lot of people in the US hate the Russians and Chinese, a lot of people still hate the Germans despite them going 180 on EVERYTHING that made people hate them- its not hard to have "racism" against another nation, and that being stronger the more recent it was (which leads to the matter of timelines, but that's a whole other deal- are we at the stage where comedians can make off-color jokes about them, or are people being jailed for saying nasty shit to Faunus in a fight?). But they need to TELL us.

There's a hundred things:

> Faunus largely worked/served county A during the wars, then a large network turned traitor and stabbed their human allies in the back on the orders of/to get favor from country B.

> A Faunus killing X important figure started the war between the nations a la Duke Ferdinand.

> Faunus culture meaning they were intelligent but had no desire to progress beyond tribal huts, and then going into overdrive on Gimmedats when they met humans.

The only thing they've hinted at (in a fucking DVD exclusive extra World of Remnant) was that when Faunus and Humans have kids- the kid is a Faunus. So you can argue it from a "they're trying to out-breed us" angle- except no one fucking hates them!

Don't get me wrong- being out-bred by an outsider is fucking scary- but no one acts like the animal features are gross or that it's a bad thing. They tried to shove all the Faunus on an island- was this why? "Get 'em out before they outbreed us"? Was it post-war where food was scarce?

Or how about making them more emotional- like an animal acting on instinct- so they would be associated with bringing Grim thanks to how they over-react? And when you assume/accuse someone of overreacting- it makes them overreact. Perfect self-fulfilling hatred.

Or how about Faunus were "subjugated" (according to the wiki and maybe one episode). If they were enslaved for labor- that'll work (except they've shown total synergy with the world since). Or how humans (for never explained reasons) tried to shove all the Faunus onto Menagerie and keep them there.

But yeah, like >>35617 says. They need a culture. Hell, all the nations do. Atlus is basically a European Culture at it's peak (from what we've seen and minus the architecture), Vale is America-ish (if only by architecture and lack of other details- i.e. "the default"), Mistral is Japan (by carbon copying their culture and admittedly doing their architecture well), and Vacuo being Mos Eisly as far as we fucking know. But that's it.

The more you pull these threads, the more they fall apart. I've been bugged out over what the bedrooms/bathrooms must look like in Salem's lair with her interior design by Satan & Sauron. The frustration isn't that they don't put it in. It's that there are so many good building blocks and they'd only need a few lines or subtle glances to make it stick. Or frustrating details we should have known by now- like the name of the dragon continent, or the Great War in more depth than the WoR show, or details on those who tried to "attack individuality" and the rebellion (makes it sound like the Great War was people vs. governments rather than nation vs nation). We've all assumed it was some Equilibrium shit, but teach us. We don't need to be in history class every episode, just have characters talk so we can get the culture that way. Like, have Sun & Neptune when they were being detectives investigate a crime against a Faunus. Shows the Faunus' side (Sun), the human sympathizers side (Neptune) and the human doubters side (the detective they worked with. Typical grizzly "sick of this shit/seen too much" Harvey Bullock type)

Or have Weiss say they don't get fast-food places where she is, or having never tried pizza. BAM- shows Atlus doesn't do food sloppily and they aren't big into foreign food. It implies they have high standards and don't care for the outside world. Also shows Weiss is sheltered. I've developed a character and her country with 1 line about fucking food.

But, I won't lie and claim this is easy. It's only because the building blocks are all here it makes it easier. During production you must be fighting over what to include without the show missing all the action that sold the damn thing.

Much as I love Monty's work, there are huge details missing. I can't blame RT constantly for episode length & production, but I wonder how much Monty actually had in the show bible.

1eda2f No.35620

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>The whole trailer has an oddly stilted feel to it.

>The figure construction on Sun's model carries forward the awkwardness that has afflicted mostly the male figures since last volume. In fact, most of the figures seem strangely constructed.

>Overreliance on Pencil+ has left all the figures with uniform line weights, whether we're talking heads, bodies, or hair (except where overlapping occurs). The former technique used in volumes 1-3 created a less uniform effect that presented better.

>flower vendor disappears and Runaway Blake teleports closer to the stand between shots.

>flashback Blake's head looks too big and they've made her old outfit feel weird. It feels like her face is unbalanced. And what is that odd shadow under her nose? Her volume 1-3 model had "sharper" eyes and the pupils were larger.

>Is this stand of different color gravity knives a joke? He couldn't possibly sell any other bladed weapons or tools?

>Why are they both approaching a person they suspect is armed (because everyone is armed) openly and from the same direction?

>Runaway Blake has apparently forgotten all her training with the White Fang. I can understand Sun blundering straight at the guy they were looking for but she should know better. This probably is worthy of a rant about the writer's not respecting the characters again.

>Since he's right-handed, his gun is tucked in wrong.

>Why does knife vendor react to their approach when no one else seems to?

>This guy draws down on them and squeezes off a few rounds in this crowded market and neither Runaway Blake nor Sun evade as you would expect them to. Can't say they're protecting the crowd since some shots go wide of their target without effect, nobody runs/hides, the crowd doesn't scatter.

>What the hell was Sun doing? Blocking shots with his bracers/gloves? He Wonder Woman now?

>The running just seems excessively laboured. They present it as clinically as they do the walk cycles.

>He left-handed now? And where are those shots going?

>I didn't think they could make a less exciting (low-energy) chase than the rooftop from volume 4 but they managed. Somehow, despite all their previous aerobatics, neither of them move to intercept the guy. They just dutifully follow along behind him.

>They're just tucking his gun anywhere without regard to consistency aren't they?

>Why does a guy with claws need a knife to cut a rope?

>Car being fixed changes heights between shots.

>When a crowd would be something useful for Sun and Runaway Blake to defend from an out of control cart, Menagerie returns to its usual uncrowded state.

>Don't look at the female models with their hands clasped over their mouths or you'll see them everywhere. Those Maya™ plugins can be hell.

>More run cycling.

>After the flashback Blake inexplicably has Gambol Shroud sheathed, despite running with it in her hand since the chase started.

>Sun leapfrogs Runaway Blake this time, unlike back on the boat where he Ryouga'd her. Shame he doesn't seem to have Ruyi & Jingu anymore.

>She reached up with her left hand to draw Gambol Shroud from her right shoulder… WHAT THE HELL?

>the wall run and why it doesn't work has been dissected enough elsewhere but she's changing her weapon hand throughout this sequence.

>good thing he paused in the alley for her to catch up

>the rest isn't worth commenting on

This whole "character short" reeks of a rush job. Blake's new outfit doesn't look good in this and her old one looks worse in this new style.

>>35614

>>35616

>>35617

The groundless racism doesn't change the fact that there are a group of hunters/soldiers in Atlas who justifiably hate a certain chameleon faunus that viciously attacked and beat them after she hid among them.

>>How does the girl with "freckles" the size of liver spots pass for human? Especially if her color changing is emotion based. Hell, she's probably more experienced now than she was then, so she should have been changing colors like Mardi Gras.

No logic here man, just feelz. Atlas is bad and Ilia did nothing wrong. Just go with it.

>Actually, how the fuck does Blake have this White Fang guy on file?

Blake is carrying Ilia's scroll that she and Sun retrieved back in volume 4.

bdbdb3 No.35621

>>35598

>>35598

>Maybe what we need from Menagerie is the Second Liberian Civil War: children high on cocaine wandering the streets with assault rifles.

>Not wanting the Faunus version of General Butt-Naked ravaging Menagerie

bdbdb3 No.35622

>>35621

fug I meant >>35600

9b513a No.35623

>>35621

>General Butt-Naked

>>35620

>nobody runs/hides, the crowd doesn't scatter.

The crowd is painfully static: they only move when interacted with.

8357ff No.35624

Just once I'd like to SEE these incidents of Faunus racism happen instead of having one of the characters tell me about it as if that's all the explanation I need. It's as though the writers are afraid of showing this stuff to us.

ec6a72 No.35625

>>35624

but goy, don't you see? if someone says there's racism happening, then it must be! Why else would they say it?

but honestly, it's what one anon already said before: if they knew how races work IRL, they wouldn't be liberal hipsters trying to do shitty comparisons. The only good story of the Faunus died with Monty.

cb3bc3 No.35626

>>35625

Oh we're gonna see plenty of racism now. People will blame Faunus for the attack on the Vytal Festival, and every Faunus they attack will be innocent, and every person who attacks will be violent & unintelligent (totally ruining the message of how the shit Salem orchestrates can turn the most civil of civilizations on each other)

> The only good story of the Faunus died with Monty.

Did it though? We don't know what's in the show bible (apart from the two gods & possibly the relics as Miles explained how he came up with the idea) and Monty was an animator first. Not absolving RT of their errors however- they had enough moolah to hire writer(s) to guide Monty's vision.

ec6a72 No.35627

>>35626

>Did it though?

Wasn't it Monty that did "Black and White", the only episode in RWBY that actually showed both sides of the story? Why Weiss was a "racist" and why blake was angry-posting over Weiss' "racism"?

>and every person who attacks will be violent & unintelligent (totally ruining the message of how the shit Salem orchestrates can turn the most civil of civilizations on each other)

Gee, I bet this will be like lynching years of the south.

>OMG BLACK PPL SWINGING FROM TREES

>Never minding the fact that they were rapists and murders, literally finding them with their dicks in girls and blood on their hands

>never minding the fact that the court systems were heavily corrupt and slow as fuck

>never minding more white were goddamn lynched than blacks.

>no, I'm just going to do the liberal hipster thing and do massive historical context, because you can never put yourself in the mind of the people doing the lynching or why blacks were lynched in the first place.

678c6a No.35628

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>>35626

>Oh we're gonna see plenty of racism now. People will blame Faunus for the attack on the Vytal Festival,

I thought we'd see that during volume 4, and we're going to have to wait to see how volume 5 plays out, but I doubt it will happen. MilesKerry&Grey had plenty of opportunity to at the very least mention any backlash uninvolved and well-integrated Faunus were suffering because of the White Fangs actions. It was a natural thing to expect would happen, if they're going to push the metaphor. Just a few seconds during one of their criminally underused news broadcasts with some static images would have been enough. Instead, it went unremarked upon in the show and I wonder whether Faunus suffering any reprisal for what happened in Vale even occurred to them.

>>35624

>Just once I'd like to SEE these incidents of Faunus racism happen instead of having one of the characters tell me about as if that's all the explanation I need.

Was what Ilia recounted an instance of racism or was she the victim of a social engineering experiment? Is she angry at a particular experience of "racism" or is she running off of guilt at having seen what kind of person she is deep down? Is she appalled that she was willing to turn her back on everything and deny her true self to feel "like a princess" in the "City of Dreams"? Could Ilia's zeal for the White Fang be a manifestation of her self-loathing?

A large portion of the fanbase is wholly on board with Ilia's violence. They justify it with slogans like "Bash the Fash" or "Punch a Nazi" or just saying that the other girls were "dicks" and "assholes" so they deserved to be attacked. It's the next step from Weiss' outburst (which Miles was so proud of) that almost ended in violence at the charity function last volume.

We're also left to draw conclusions from the vagueries of the dialogue again. Ilia never says that her parents died or were even injured by what happened at the mines. Ilia only says there was a cave in and that the mishandling of dust crystals caused a chain reaction. Viewers of the show have drawn conclusions about parents being dead before (hello, Blake & Weiss) and been wrong. Ilia doesn't say what, if anything, happened to her parents and Blake doesn't ask the natural question. For all we know Ilia's parents are still in Mantle, hale and hearty, and missing their daughter just like Blake's parents were.

And we're left with a hole in the story because they've never shown us a dust mine. We've never seen the conditions of the mines in Mantle or anywhere else. Or the technology involved in Dust extraction. Are the miners in Mantle consigned to using pick axes, shovels, and mining carts? Are we talking early 1900s United States mining disaster rates? Are we to take from her story that there are no humans in the old kingdom of Mantle?

It would help to read the next section in the most annoying tone of voice you can imagine.

<Isn't "White Fang" an exclusionary name for a organization that's supposed to fight for the rights of all Faunus? The word "white" itself is problematic because it is inextricably linked to a legacy of colonialism and the historical oppression of black and brown bodies. In order to promote awareness of the diversity inherent in Faunus communities, I propose the organization be renamed, "Fangs of Color".

<"Fangs": to emphasize our devotion to justice for our people by any means necessary

<"Color": to ameliorate the disempowering that tends to occur in our pursuit of progress

<A note about next week's meeting. It has been requested that all white/white-passing/white identifying Faunus absent themselves so as to provide a safe-space for Faunus of color to express their ideas in a judgement-free environment where they can organize and heal.

<And as always our human allies are reminded to check their privilege and power daily, always seek to amplify marginalized voices, and to constantly strive toward the end of Human Supremacy on Remnant.

bdbdb3 No.35629

>>35628

>Was what Ilia recounted an instance of racism or was she the victim of a social engineering experiment? Is she angry at a particular experience of "racism" or is she running off of guilt at having seen what kind of person she is deep down? Is she appalled that she was willing to turn her back on everything and deny her true self to feel "like a princess" in the "City of Dreams"? Could Ilia's zeal for the White Fang be a manifestation of her self-loathing?

with this, you have made more nuance than whatever MK will ever make.

>A large portion of the fanbase is wholly on board with Ilia's violence.

OfCorsh.mp4

>They justify it with slogans like "Bash the Fash" or "Punch a Nazi"

Because when terrorism happens in your cities that's caused by ONE PARTICULAR RACE AND RACE ONLY, Punching the people who want it to stop is the best thing to do.

>It's the next step from Weiss' outburst (which Miles was so proud of) that almost ended in violence at the charity function last volume.

>(which Miles was so proud of)

Miles is proud of that?

>that entire pink section

Jesus Christ, how can you speak Faggotese so fluently? I can't stand even reading that shit, never mind writing it Ironically.

cb3bc3 No.35630

>>35628

> It's the next step from Weiss' outburst (which Miles was so proud of) that almost ended in violence at the charity function last volume.

> We're also left to draw conclusions from the vagueries of the dialogue again. Ilia never says that her parents died or were even injured by what happened at the mines. Ilia only says there was a cave in and that the mishandling of dust crystals caused a chain reaction. Viewers of the show have drawn conclusions about parents being dead before (hello, Blake & Weiss) and been wrong. Ilia doesn't say what, if anything, happened to her parents and Blake doesn't ask the natural question. For all we know Ilia's parents are still in Mantle, hale and hearty, and missing their daughter just like Blake's parents were.

I swore she said her parents died in it. Fuck me, they can imply some shit well, but not others. But I do get Blake not asking "did they die" as the implication may have been enough. And yeah- I think the idea is that the mines are extremely dangerous, so they get/orchestrate a scenario where Faunus are desperate for money, so they work there. Ignoring the bustling trade of Menagerie or how that guy was running a bookshop. Or are we expected to think that no one would buy books from a Faunus?

At the risk of playing devil's advocate- I liked Illia's speech. Replace "pretending to be Faunus" with "pretending to be left/SJW/opposing political or moral belief" and it kind of clicks.

Illia had to deal with going against her morals for months to be accepted and have a better quality of life- mocking those she supported and was. At the moment of her being deeply concerned for her parents and grieving the loss of her kinsmen she had the most snide reactions possible from her peers. Imagine having family in Hudson, and you hear people cheering a "bunch of racist rednecks got what they deserved". It'd be hard for an adult to resist punching them out, let alone a child.

Illia's actions & reactions are understandable IMO. She had a traumatic event and saw (what she felt was) the worst of humans- prefect material to make someone who'd buy into terrorism (plus it's safe to say she was kicked out of Atlas Academy, and the White Fang took her in- again, financial support & living conditions being used as terrorist recruitment tools). Sure they could be better explained, and you could dig deeper into the psychology at a later stage (survivors guilt for not being in the mines and mocking her kin, trying to repent for "playing along" with the humans, being someone who was steadily fed a diet of ideals to escalate her hatred, etc). I think she does her role perfectly- someone loyal to the White Fang's cause. Blind to other viewpoints. Possibly even lying about or exaggeration her history (though this part is far from intentional by RT).

It's certainly better than Weiss' outburst (which the content was fine, but needed much more set up. I.e. as she prepares for the show, show her getting stressed about that and seeing the staff being poorly treated in a new light. Maybe have some people at the party talk about how buying the painting is an investment to resell a few years later, and other generally shitty elitist attitudes).

Sure no culture has everyone believing the same things (sure the majority may believe something and that forms the culture), but we really need an idea of what the common man and the top % in Atlus agree and disagree on. Or hell- Atlus seems to be the only country to have beef with Faunus, yet they're acting like there's people who hate them in every city.

If this builds up to a "White Fang lied about Fanus oppression and exaggerated a few assholes' actions" then it'd be fucking impressive. But I really doubt it.

bdbdb3 No.35631

>>35630

>Atlus seems to be the only country to have beef with Faunus, yet they're acting like there's people who hate them in every city.

>reminder there was a fucking rally in Vale and no one did anything aside from Blake and Sun ruining it, and it was only ruined by pure misfortune, not by intention.

>If this builds up to a "White Fang lied about Fanus oppression and exaggerated a few assholes' actions" then it'd be fucking impressive. But I really doubt it.

Doubt it, bub. Just a reminder that these people are extremely shallow and vain. Every good thing that they did in RWBY post-Monty was stumbled into, not planned by designed. These people are turning Ironwood, literally the only character KerryMiles made without Monty's help, into a Trump strawman just because they couldn't (and still can't) handle the election. These people were already talking about making the Fanus opression "the same as the 1960 civil rights", and that was a claim made during the Monty era. now imagine the Anti-Trump dildos along with the civil rights' shallow comparison.

The nail in the coffin, and the one thing I was disgusted and am still to this day, was dragging Monty, a Japanese immigrant, someone who would never trip any alarms at any airports, from his grave to counter-signal the "Muslim Ban" in which Trump wanted to ban people from 8 countries that were so shitty, they literally couldn't account for their people or even issue legal passports.

69c575 No.35632

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>>35629

>Miles is proud of that?

that's an excerpt from a longer vid from a Q&A on the volume 4 thread >>34187

>Jesus Christ, how can you speak Faggotese so fluently? I can't stand even reading that shit, never mind writing it Ironically.

Made the mistake of looking for fan reaction to the "short" and wound up on tumblr again. Had to share the pain. I almost expect somebody out there will get that ridiculous eventually. They'd been harranguing RT since volume one to increase PoC & LGBTQIA (did I get all the letters?) representation. All they do is demand the show be a vehicle for their politics & identity, in both cases also sexually.

>But I do get Blake not asking "did they die" as the implication may have been enough.

We're 5 volumes in now. I can't let them go with implications any more. Its a critical part of Ilia's story and character.

>And yeah- I think the idea is that the mines are extremely dangerous, so they get/orchestrate a scenario where Faunus are desperate for money, so they work there.

Yeah, the indentured servitude suggested by the anon in a previous thread, is definitely going on.

I don't doubt its dangerous as its analogue has always been. They were so blatant about the "company store" setup last volume, and Jacques' desire to get Dust as cheaply as possible to maximize profit in the SDC WOR. But Dust isn't just an energy source it's THE energy source, without it all the works of humanity are nothing and Creatures of Grimm will overrun and destroy everything. Given Atlas level of technology, e.g. Penny or Aura Transfer Machines, why hasn't the Dust mining process been automated? Accidents like the one Ilia described arent just deadly for the workers, they're costly to the company. I just don't see Jacques putting up with demanding workers whose mistakes cost his company in time, money, and resources.

>Illia had to deal with going against her morals for months to be accepted and have a better quality of life- mocking those she supported and was.

The problem I see with it is that it's a mundane experience. Any poor child who desires to live in that world (and we can ask whether Ilia got a scholarship or how poor miner's afforded her tuition) faces that shock. We're not even talking about being among regular Atlesians but the upper crust. People so different from her (and most of Remnant) and her life's experiences she may as well have been on a different planet. It's about class differences more than racism but Miles&Kerry keep conflating the two.

>Imagine having family in Hudson, and you hear people cheering a "bunch of racist rednecks got what they deserved". It'd be hard for an adult to resist punching them out, let alone a child.

Funny you should mention that. Anna Hullum does the voice for Raven and her twitter stream is almost nothing but virtue signaling, Trump hate, and booze. Even she was surprised when people starting saying that Texas deserved to get hit wiith a hurricane for helping to elect Trump.

>It's certainly better than Weiss' outburst

Seeing Weiss attempt to meet her father halfway would have been all the setup that was needed. If she'd tried, even a little, to accommodate his wishes, she'd be more sympathetic. Even if she'd only pretended to give Jacques what he wanted in order to get what she wanted, that would have been better than watching her a act full blown brat that pouts in her room, throws public (potentially violent) tantrums, and demands that her whims be catered to. Yes, they painted Jacques as an unreasonable and unyielding tyrant, but what they did to Weiss was arguably worse. She couldn't even devise a plan of escape and execute it on her own.

>>35631

>the one thing I was disgusted and am still to this day, dragging Monty from his grave to counter-signal the "Muslim Ban"

Ditto. Doesn't get much lower. Sad part is Matt Hullum felt no shame in doing it.

678c6a No.35635

File: 532da7fc133d3b7⋯.webm (2.62 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Panel LIVE at Crunch….webm)

File: 708475c3af023c2⋯.webm (3.94 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Panel LIVE at Crunch….webm)

File: 777d67e7e6e05c7⋯.webm (4.08 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Panel LIVE at Crunch….webm)

>Excerpts from the RWBY Panel LIVE at Crunchyroll Expo!

Besides the Q&A all they showed was an unfinished Blake Character Short.

1eda2f No.35637

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>RWBY Volume 4 Japanese Trailer

Before the release of the CRX footage I was hoping these tweets from Miles didn't refer to his writing for RWBY.

cb3bc3 No.35638

>>35637

He also works on Camp Camp- a show I actually really enjoy. Despite it being an Adult Swim style cartoon they have minor plot points. But yeah, I think it might apply to RWBY (though how many jokes have there been in the recent RWBY?) Maybe RWBY Chibi.

I don't see over-writing as an issue however. What is cut and what is put down however might.

I think the issue with RWBY is either (or both)

- They want everyone to feel involved with Monty's dream so (paradoxically) everyone can help keep it to the vision Monty had (or so they are reassured and told), so they do and wind up with too many cooks.

- The writers take no outside advice or attempts to expand their writing skills. They need to deeply study the themes they are trying to do. It's not like writing comedy. However, even if they did want to study- they have very little time to work on it (other projects, needing to churn out content constantly, etc).

Doesn't help the youtube format means you get lots of shallow praise, but not in-depth analysis. They may also be in the state where they ignore a lot of criticism due to initial criticism they saw being phrased very aggressively and not constructive.

cb3bc3 No.35639

>>35632

> Given Atlas level of technology, e.g. Penny or Aura Transfer Machines, why hasn't the Dust mining process been automated? Accidents like the one Ilia described arent just deadly for the workers, they're costly to the company. I just don't see Jacques putting up with demanding workers whose mistakes cost his company in time, money, and resources.

There are multiple ways they could deal with this:

- Dust is not as plentiful as they claim. If they improve the rate of acquisition, so does the rate of consumption. So the Dust is used up quicker. By making up stuff (Dust reacts violently to specific machines) they can keep Dust artificially rationed.

- If they automated the Dust process, many Faunus would lose work and (if we pretend they showed racism in the show) couldn't find work. Many poor Faunus would then blame the Dust Co- making them ideal to be recruited by the White Fang. While a long-con like that could be pulled off if Atlas wanted to eliminate the White Fang/Faunus that would ever be against them, it would be more profitable & stable for Jacques to keep Faunus employed, win PR points outside of Atlas, and hire disenfranchised Faunus rather than have them join the White Fang.

- Dust reacts badly to other Dust. I.e. If you use a machine and it suddenly leaks it's Dust fuel, it all goes sky high. But with how advanced Atlas are, there's no reason this should happen. Unless there's some Chernobyl style

incident where hand-mining is needed due to making sure there's 0% chance of happening… Then Illia talks about how a chain reaction happened in the mine.

But I don't think we'll ever get any of the above.

TBH with how advanced Atlas is- there's no reason they shouldn't be an antagonistic force. Their elite are all shit-bags, so their government can't be far behind. They want comfort, they are trading away the time using those comforts (dust as fuel) to people they could annihilate. Hell, I bet the flying ships we saw from Haven are based on tech or outright made by Atlas. The rest of the world seems in line with our level of tech- if maybe a few years ahead. Or even medieval in the small villages. Atlas (or rather its military) seems 100+ years ahead of the rest of the world.

With the exception of loss of life on their side (which they can avoid with robots) Atlas could probably take over the world. The only thing holding them back is how quickly they can build & support a force (unless they fear Huntsmen and Huntress with powerful semblances). Like I said earlier- you'd need to research history & warfare to work out why a nation with a superior technology and a culture that promotes them as being better/self-centered would not go to war (and if it's just "they need a reason" then you know reasons can be invented).

cb3bc3 No.35640

>>35632

> Even she was surprised when people starting saying that Texas deserved to get hit wiith a hurricane for helping to elect Trump.

Same with how Blake's VA caught shit for saying they probably won't make Bumblebee canon.

The left tend to have tiers of insanity nowadays. And some people on lower tiers are either bullied or converted into higher tiers, or they wind up getting treated harshly/harassed. Then the person winds up re-examining their beliefs (why would people on my side be acting like this), or disassociate (they're just lunatics and don't represent my ideals or beliefs). Honestly with the crazier the likes of Antifa are getting (even lefty MSM outlets are condemning Antifa to try and distance themselves), we may see RT make none too subtle condemnation of them (i.e. violence out of hatred on either side is wrong- human or faunus- a message they'd have probably had anyway but made more obvious). Even with the divide in RT (workers and content makers/actors/upper crust), they're gonna be people who butt heads because someone won't find someone else virtuous enough. The question is who'll be left standing. Either RT will adapt and become more neutral, or go hard left and burn-up. The more the staff see shit like what Anna did, the more likely the former will happen IMO.

> Seeing Weiss attempt to meet her father halfway would have been all the setup that was needed. If she'd tried, even a little, to accommodate his wishes, she'd be more sympathetic. Even if she'd only pretended to give Jacques what he wanted in order to get what she wanted

I can see her knowing attempts like that would fail- her family being "our way or you're not family"- but you're right, there's no reason she shouldn't try to reach out to others at the party in desperation (like the guy who flirted initially), or even because she's used to speaking freely in Vale. Hell, even if you didn't want to show her getting more stressed- having her get upset and trying to keep it bottled, or interrogating that one lush over her comments (then when dad tells her to knock it off she argues with him rather than the whole room)- then her Semblance goes off, it'd make more sense. We needed to see the fuse tick down before one last incident to make her blow up, or her trying to play smart and cracking under the pressure as she's stone-walled by her peers (no violent "fuck you", but an internal "I give up" and her sorrow causes her semblance to kick off).

IMO- while Weiss is emotional, being she's someone that's been told to be cool & collected all her life- exploding with set up is better. What she said (maybe some minor tweaks. She's angry so emotional-based arguments and generalizations are understandable) would have been fine if we'd have seen stuff that would make someone like Weiss lose her cool like that.

I.e. On top of building stress for the show, seeing how the lower class in Atlas are treated in a new light, seeing how ignorant & self-centered her peers are, realizing she's now a stranger in her own nation- the breaking point being the guests find out the painter of the commemorative painting for charity was a Faunus and they heckle him/her as they try to make a heart-felt speech. A few snide comments made by drunks and assholes making even those who disagree with how it's said struggle to stifle their laughter over what they feel are non-verbal truths finally said out loud (like how the painting is an investment for reselling and the incident would never have happened in Atlas or with Atlas Huntsmen/Huntresses).

Sorry for multiple posts- post too big.

8357ff No.35642

>>35637

Wow, they sure translated RWBY fast over there.

I like Jap. Qrow's voice, it sounds more mature than the original.

79b642 No.35644

>>35640

>IMO- while Weiss is emotional, being she's someone that's been told to be cool & collected all her life- exploding with set up is better. What she said (maybe some minor tweaks. She's angry so emotional-based arguments and generalizations are understandable) would have been fine if we'd have seen stuff that would make someone like Weiss lose her cool like that.

If they wanted to do that and have convey Weiss' bottling herself up, they would have done something with Weiss' scar as a nice symbol of that. Think about it this way. She's house trapped and she is meant to uphold a reputation as the future heiress to the company, yes? It would have worked if the dad suggest Weiss to cover up her scar in the concert, as a way to cover her hunter-fighting past and have other people see she is but an heiress and nothing more. But no, the scar just ends up being just mere aesthetic.

cb3bc3 No.35645

>>35644

Now you mention it, while Atlus prides itself on military (we assume since they renamed the country after the army), her being a great warrior would be expected of the company to boost reputation (she can handle herself in the boardroom and the battlefield).

However, it clashes with the Schnee's "perfect" image. A scar indicates she made a mistake at some point. And being Weiss' sister calls her out on having her footing an inch out of place means that wouldn't be tolerated. And in a world where people have aura to protect themselves from serious injury until it's exhausted- people would think she must have taken a pummeling to get a scar.

Using heavy make-up to cover it up at public events would make sense- even at home to "get her used" to the idea of covering it up. Then when she goes to Beacon she can finally wash it off after opening up a bit (or gets it exposed early to her embarrassment). Which then leads to more development (Blake asking if her father caused the scar after Weiss says growing up was "tough"- she says no, but you get an implication he was indirectly responsible, etc).

Don't get me wrong- I'm sure the scar was chosen for "rule of cool" by Monty (much like Yang's robot arm being better suited for Blake in terms of development and drama potential), but it's shocking to think even little details like that can tell so damn much. Or rather, how what they have now has so much contradiction and dissonance. This show really is the Emperor with no clothes. And now the action's dead, how long will it take for what's said here to trickle down into more mainstream discussion?

1eda2f No.35646

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>>35638

>He also works on Camp Camp- a show I actually really enjoy.

If they instituted a writers room for RWBY, like they have for Camp Camp (never seen it), it would go a long way. Heck, they'd even have all the same people in it. Jordan Cwierz, who directs Camp Camp, even shared a working area with Monty prior to RWBY Volume 2 and should have a good overview of the series. Gray's been there long enough and I'd have thought he was having script input after V2 but his new focus may be more on Gen:Lock.

>(though how many jokes have there been in the recent RWBY?)

It's not the amount, more the contrivance of them. Like the RNJR or JNRR argument which Miles&Kerry admitted was pointless filler. Or the silly reminiscences Tai Yang, Oobleck, and Port shared in V4C4, building from a nonsense story about getting Qrow to wear a skirt & Tai, telling Yang she'd "lost some braincells along with that arm" of hers, and then crapping on that sandwich of inappropriateness with Oobleck & Port likening Yang's insecurity at having her arm chopped off to Port's fear of mice.

>The writers take no outside advice or attempts to expand their writing skills.

I'd heard/read that Miles&Kerry attended a writing "bootcamp" not long ago, then we got Volume 4, which makes one wonder what they learned there.

>>35639

>But I don't think we'll ever get any of the above.

Had that same thought myself, that maybe there was some property of Dust that require it be extracted by hand to get the best quality. But the theorizing only serves to highlight how little we know about Dust, including what its 4 main forms (according to the DUST WOR) are. Even the wikia is a jumble of confusion on the subject.

>While a long-con like that could be pulled off if Atlas wanted to eliminate the White Fang/Faunus that would ever be against them, it would be more profitable & stable for Jacques to keep Faunus employed, win PR points outside of Atlas, and hire disenfranchised Faunus rather than have them join the White Fang.

Good points. I was considering more what it would cost in bad PR if the Faunus decide to strike and the SDC loses time having to negotiate or forcibly resolve the situation. Or worse some Faunus get radicalized and decide to kamikaze or allahu akbar some Dust mines.

>we may see RT make none too subtle condemnation of them (i.e. violence out of hatred on either side is wrong- human or faunus- a message they'd have probably had anyway but made more obvious).

The first vid is of one of the games that was featured at RTX this year. They're likely still onboard with attacking politically approved targets.

>We needed to see the fuse tick down before one last incident to make her blow up, or her trying to play smart and cracking under the pressure

That's it precisely. We needed, as the audience, to feel the pressure building. Letting us feel the futility along with Weiss, that no matter what she did nothing would move her father or change the path he'd set for her. Or how her experiences outside Atlas with the rest of the RWBY crew had changed her perception of what she'd once regarded as proper/normal. And they could have played with that mirror theme the soundtrack always talks about but the show never does anything with.

>>35644

>It would have worked if the dad suggest Weiss to cover up her scar in the concert

A great character building suggestion. Not just the concert but in Jacques presence generally. Despite the mass confusion among fans, she did get the scar during the "White" trailer where she won the right to go to Beacon Academy. He'd rigged the test by having her fight that possessed suit of armour that scarred her, so it would have been a great thing and probably more hurtful than everything else Jacques said, if he'd told her to cover up the scar because he couldn't stand the sight of it. She'd be managing the face she presented to the world as Schnee Dust Company heir, and further building on the mirror theme.

>>35645

>Which then leads to more development (Blake asking if her father caused the scar after Weiss says growing up was "tough"- she says no, but you get an implication he was indirectly responsible, etc).

This has bothered me since the beginning of RWBY. We're supposed to believe that none of the other teenage girls ever asked Weiss about her scar. Instead they wasted time on the Jaune/Weiss no chance of a relationship subplot. Ruby's an asshole so there's no use saying she wouldn't do it out of respect for Weiss' privacy. Yang should have been the group's big sister and as a brawler herself it makes sense she'd be curious about it. You already touched on Blake. But that leads into all the missed character interaction opportunities (including Ruby/Nora/Ren from V4) and then this post would turn into a rant of pent up frustration.

cb3bc3 No.35648

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>>35646

>>35646

>It's not the amount, more the contrivance of them. Like the RNJR or JNRR argument which Miles&Kerry admitted was pointless filler. Or the silly reminiscences Tai Yang, Oobleck, and Port shared in V4C4, building from a nonsense story about getting Qrow to wear a skirt & Tai, telling Yang she'd "lost some braincells along with that arm" of hers, and then crapping on that sandwich of inappropriateness with Oobleck & Port likening Yang's insecurity at having her arm chopped off to Port's fear of mice.

And yet- there's a hundred things you can do with it.

> Tai told Qrow to wear a kilt as a prank, making them friends down the line and showing where Yang get's her jovial attitude from if that's how Tai acted at her age.

> Have Tai tell Oobleck & Porter that he and Yang have playful arguments like that. They would sometimes even tease Ruby by pretending to escalate the argument with a wink and a nudge (threatening to leave home, etc)- right up until Ruby would cry. As she got older, even Ruby joined in. Shows the family is so tight knit they can insult each other like siblings or best friends. Further, it should have shown that Tai already knew about Yang's "new normal" attitude, and him teasing her about it is normal for that family.

I actually like the RNJR/JNRR talk in the intro. Light comedy and what everyone had been discussing between the seasons.

> I'd heard/read that Miles&Kerry attended a writing "bootcamp" not long ago, then we got Volume 4, which makes one wonder what they learned there.

If you're paying to learn something that's open to interpretation, it's a con run by a failed creator. If the person could create- they'd be creating. Not profitable necessarily, but creating. And creators can't always teach. So you're left with people who can't teach and can't create (or think they can), or those who can't teach but could create (which doesn't fucking help if you want to learn).

> The first vid is of one of the games that was featured at RTX this year. They're likely still onboard with attacking politically approved targets.

Christ almighty. I've stopped watching most RT content, and Achievement Hunter is it's own channel. Fucking tempted to drop my subscription. Not that they ever get a penny from me, but still.

> This has bothered me since the beginning of RWBY. We're supposed to believe that none of the other teenage girls ever asked Weiss about her scar.

Since the scar is public knowledge in the show- we can only assume (yet again) that maybe it's common knowledge in gossip circles. ''Schnee heir has a scar! "Training Accident" - or was it?". I wouldn't say Ruby is an asshole (when written properly)- just naive. She might ask Weiss about the scar too casually/in public though.

I agree on missed opportunities (development & interaction), and not every chance should be taken. But it's hard not to think how you could miss all this. It's not just hindsight being 20-20, it's basic character development (put them in the scenario they'd hate the most, get them to talk to people with opposing beliefs, if the scene isn't action or comedy- it's to tell us about the world or one of it's characters).

As someone who maybe puts a bit too much autism into writing, it frustrates me. It's feels like this was one of those beloved franchises rebooted by a big studio who didn't give a fuck. Except the beloved stuff is fan theories & work (and Monty's action + designs), and it's some hipsters from Austin acting like they only have 5k subs with an AA studio budget, on the back of an army of editors, camera crew, and "little people" who were destined for better or would have been rejected elsewhere.

cb3bc3 No.35649

>>35648

> That second Webm

There's no way he'd be that dumb to spoil it. Especially after saying he'd keep stuff to himself to avoid spoilers.

Since he mentioned the sister- could it mean Raven is Ruby's mom? Surprise- the woman you idolized is nobody, and your actual mother doesn't care about you!

Which is retarded since Raven is the spitting image of Yang (though if "The Tribe" is all about power, surely having a Grim Nuke like Ruby's silver eyes should mean she'd desire to kidnap her).

Of course, maybe Vic is trolling with the "don't confirm or deny anything." However, seems either the VA's are in the loop about the story even if it doesn't involve their character, or they'll be some revelations with Ruby/Qrow/their family.

Monty writing in advance makes me happy.

> Not that I don't like what Miles & Kerry are doing

Which basically confirms they've added some stuff, or their interpretation of the show bible might be debatable? I just hope they are following Monty's vision for the show (We can't do this, not in Trump's America!- we need to show the world we're against him and those ideals we think they have!). I still would encourage them to be more free with execution of that plot- Monty was an animator first and a story-writer… elsewhere (again, how much of the story errors was from 1-3 were Monty, and how much was M&K), but seeing how they've executed it so far is… Yeah.

Longer episodes! More show don't tell! More tell in the show and less WOR! Make my ideas canon! Etc.

I haven't got any more writing images, so here's a bunch of links I saved and should really read some time. Some are blogs and from places you'd never expect anything decent to come from.

http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2011/08/02/25-ways-to-fuck-with-your-characters/

http://everydaywriter.tumblr.com/post/69471092475/best-friends-forever-writing-close-friendships

http://techgnotic.deviantart.com/journal/Brian-Kesinger-Character-Driven-489740238

http://referenceforwriters.tumblr.com/

http://www.writingclasses.com/InformationPages/index.php/PageID/303

http://thepenspointofview.tumblr.com/

http://writerswrite.co.za/the-top-10-tips-for-plotting-and-finishing-a-book

http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm

http://www.typetrigger.com/

1eda2f No.35655

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<All RWBY fans line up for the milking, first cereal and now a board game. That had better be temp artwork.

>>35648

>And yet- there's a hundred things you can do with it.

A scene of three veteran Huntsmen outside of their formal roles as teachers. 3 survivors who stand in stark contrast to what Torchwick (gone too soon) was yelling about, while he was smacking Ruby around on top of that airship near the end of V3, and their conversation tells us nothing about anything. The really sad part is that we learned nothing about Oobleck or Port through the scenes in V4C4. Oobleck even says that they "have lives outside the classroom", but because of how mishandled the scenes were we don't have any idea what those lives are like. We know Taiyang teaches and has a family. What about Port & Oobleck? What do they have? Who are they outside of their roles as Huntsmen/teachers? What have they lost? We already knew Taiyang and his eldest daughter were abandoned by Raven, and that the loss of Summer (to death or something else) deeply effects them. Miles&Kerrys refusal to let the comedy come naturally from an exploration of the characters is something that hurts RWBY's story. An examination of their characters may have served Yang and the show better.

>I actually like the RNJR/JNRR talk in the intro. Light comedy and what everyone had been discussing between the seasons.

Miles&Kerry always tell us that time is at a premium and that they never have enough for all the things they want to do during a season. Why then, we have to ask, would they dedicate time to scenes which they admit are meaningless? In light of the scarceness, how could they do it not once but multiple times? Almost every time in V4, when we cut back to RNJR in the woods, we're subjected to a comedy skit. And if they'd gotten their way, with regard to the Nora/Pyrrha vs Neptune/Sun fight, that was cut out of V3, they would've harmed the show even more than they did with the JNPR vs ABRN and the Weiss/Yang vs Flynt/Neon fights.

>I wouldn't say Ruby is an asshole (when written properly)- just naive

You're right. Let my disappointment get ahead of me. Her earlier attitude seemed more like it was through inexperience and hopefulness. Recently though it has manifested as more of a malicious naïveté. Miles&Kerry had her directly endanger Qrow's life because of it and they'll probably let any real consequences for her behavior get ignored.

Though my view of Ruby is tempered by the fact that she (like everyone except Jaune) is good at killing.

With the move to Maya™, RT had to rebuild their animation libraries from the ground up which also contributed to the "off" feeling of RWBY V4. Every character we knew in Volumes 1&2 has lost that style of combat that introduced them to us and kept them feeling familiar. We've seen Ruby extensively and know there's nothing left of what made her fighting so appealing. They can't even keep her consistent in her new combat style. I'd been hoping that when they proclaimed one of the animator's had studied fencing that they'd be smart enough to observe that European Fencing had nothing to do with Weiss. Apparently, from the positive fan feedback, she'd just been doing it wrong in previous volumes. Blake's only fight last volume was mostly aerial but between that and what she does in this character short, she's pretty well gone. Yang had one training spar that was so heavily reliant on mocap that all the energy was sucked out of it. Oddly enough there had been some complaints in the fandom that her new outfit would clash heavily with her old fighting style. They don't realize that, like the other girls, she won't be using her old fighting style anymore.

Hoping they just leave Neo gone. Having her go out on a Mary Poppins joke was insulting, bringing her back changed would be more so.

cb3bc3 No.35656

>>35655

TBH, a World of Remnant board game has potential (Risk + MTG/old YuGiOh).

> Why then, we have to ask, would they dedicate time to scenes which they admit are meaningless? In light of the scarceness, how could they do it not once but multiple times?

Fair enough. Excuse making on their part to cover up (i.e. they have the time and would be allowed to make longer eps, but don't know how to make the story work beyond X mins), or did they pick wrong with the limitations they had?

As for the lack of fight studying, there are fucking sprite-fights on youtube that do better for pure entertainment. Fucking hell, even the Super Mario Bros Z guy is doing better fight scenes than Volume 4.

Monty used the fighting styles as a guide- then basically made the fighters as fast as he needed to do cool shit (one of the few complaints people have about Monty's fights were that nothing had "weight"- heavy & large objects moved as quickly as a flick-knife. Hence why the Weiss fighting the chainsaw wielding White Fang thug came across as awkward as she should have danced rings around him). He got the balance of fantasy & reality (the latter inspiring and improving the former. Like how good artists learn to draw life before they draw fantasy). The animators RT has are fresh out of university- and probably still stick harshly to the "do it realistically" rule since they haven't mastered that yet. (Though to be fair- neither had Monty if Vol 1 & 2 non-fight scenes are to go by).

In fact, if some of the expose document from the guy that got fired is true, then RT turned down a lot of people like Dillon Goo (people who worked with Monty in the past and did similar "Dead Fantasy" style fights) who Monty wanted to work with.

> the Nora/Pyrrha vs Neptune/Sun fight, that was cut out of V3

I thought the tournament ended fucking fast.

But even the team halving each time (4, 2, 1) felt too short as oppose to losing 1 member as they progress to the next round (4, 3, 2, 1).

1eda2f No.35658

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>>35656

>TBH, a World of Remnant board game has potential (Risk + MTG/old YuGiOh).

Can we use Grimm Eclipse as an example of RT being able to mess up anything?

>Fair enough.

I try not to be unreasonably hard on Miles&Kerry. There are scenes from earlier volumes that are well written. Even some of their humorous moments aren't bad when they come organically from the characters & situations. Their decisions about what to include in the show just leave me mystified most of the time. Another prominent example was their use of Sun in V4 which earned the ire of a large portion of RWBY fandom because he just came off badly.

>Monty used the fighting styles as a guide- then basically made the fighters as fast as he needed to do cool shit (one of the few complaints people have about Monty's fights were that nothing had "weight"- heavy & large objects moved as quickly as a flick-knife. Hence why the Weiss fighting the chainsaw wielding White Fang thug came across as awkward as she should have danced rings around him).

Before you posted that, the lack of weight was the major complaint I'd seen about the new fight scenes. That sense of weight is something intrinsic to how Monty choreographed his fights, the heaviness of the weapons has always been a component of them. The fight with the White Fang Lieutenant seemed to be about just how far out of her league he was and weight certainly was a large factor. He wielded a 26-30 lbs (12-14 kg) chainsaw (at times one-handed) versus Weiss with Myrtenaster which is likely 2-5 lbs (1-2 kg) at most. And Weiss did dance rings around him. Watch their movements again, his compensation for the weight of his weapon is what leaves him open to so many of Weiss' strikes. If they'd had the ability to create more varied body types early on he would've been more muscular than just the Junior/Yatsuhashi model he was based on. Weiss struck him numerous times and did no discernible damage, he hit her once and rendered her incapable of fighting back or further defending herself. In the end, Blake had to save Weiss from an enemy that was just too powerful. I did like how Weiss didn't flinch when the White Fang Lieutenant declared he would kill her at the beginning of their fight. Says a lot about the characters and the world they live in. Or maybe I just view it fondly because it's the last time Weiss will ever fight like Weiss.

>In fact, if some of the expose document from the guy that got fired is true, then RT turned down a lot of people like Dillon Goo

People like Dillon can't really work in RT's pipeline for RWBY as it exists now. He's very much like Monty & Shane in the way he does modelling, rigging, animation, fight choreography & camera work. The way things have been set up, starting with V3, everyone stays in their lane. He did well on V3, the Pyrrha/Cinder fight being 85-90% his work, but he's doing just fine on his own and is making a name for himself in Blender circles.

>I thought the tournament ended fucking fast.

Be thankful for that. It would've gotten worse than V3C2&5. They forgot that Monty said he could only get the food fight in V2C1 to work by treating it seriously to offset the silliness of the visuals.

1eda2f No.35659

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>Mercy 2.0 (Overwatch Fight Animation)

Since his name came up, here's a new vid by Dillon.

cb3bc3 No.35660

>>35658

> That first webm

God I hope Nora was the one being that snide with what was said to Neptune.

Also, don't know if that scene with the water-wings was too comical (revealing the transformation is just water wings- fine. The silent audience & Weiss laughing- meh).

1eda2f No.35662

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Apparently feeling lonely, with Miles in Germany, Kerry posts bait. The results were interesting.

cb3bc3 No.35663

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>>35662

Fucking hell that is some brutal ass to-the-point critique (or as much as Twitter's character limit allows).

Even if Miles & Kerry were to take criticism on board (which with Kerry's recent actions, I suspect not)- what could they do?

They can't have longer episodes. They can't rewrite what they committed to. They can't delve into the darker stuff without upsetting their core fanbase. And they burned bridges with the animators who could have animated like Monty (and kept the fans hooked. The emperor has no clothes, and the action & fights kept distracting from that).

Assuming they cruise around for "feedback" (praise or even looking for hate to feel more justified- some creators do that), they can't make changes since by the time they read a comment, they're already half way through working on the next season- and said comment might not be implemented until the season after.

I want these guys to do well and I want the show to succeed (on a technical level. Shit like Crunchyroll will ensure the show is a financial success for years) but every time they make an obvious mistake (genuine plot-holes, not just "this can be done better"), every time they pull shit like this, it gets harder & harder to support these guys. And when that happens to someone else's dream it's doubly frustrating.

cb3bc3 No.35664

>>35662

>>35663

Actually to expand on this, this is far from the first creator to get mad at critique.

Is the modern western person so soft & spongy that telling them they did wrong hurts them? It's like they can't tell the difference between "You suck" and "Here's a detailed explanation on how you can do better…" Do they think critique is like the Nostalgia Critic or Angry VideoGame Nerd- screaming & hollering at something with no redeeming value (and therefore if someone critiques something you made, it must have no value)?

There are a few times when people are angry when they critique and tear a show apart- but odds are there's someone out there that explains it a lot calmer and a lot kinder. No one from RT should be reading what we write, but they're acting like even the odd voice on reddit who goes against the flow is on-par with us.

1eda2f No.35665

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They get enough plaudits & recognition so it's hard to figure out what set Kerry off. For all we know, he could have been trying to find negative emotional motivation to finish writing a particularly difficult scene. Looking at his pinned tweet, a nagging sense of insecurity is also not an unlikely motivator.

>>35663

>I want these guys to do well and I want the show to succeed

>And when that happens to someone else's dream it's doubly frustrating.

That's what the showrunners and its most ardent fans don't get. They've made foundational errors in writing the series and it seems like things are snowballing with each new volume. The fame of RWBY is carrying them around the world and opening doors they'd never imagined, all because some poor kid from Rhode Island had a dream and worked hard for years to make it real.

>>35664

>Is the modern western person so soft & spongy that telling them they did wrong hurts them?

A result of the unearned praise they get for doing the bare minimum these days. And sometimes not even that much. Maybe the award will make Kerry feel better. But looking at their competition (one of which is literally tumblr), can they really say the win was an accomplishment?

Nominees:

RWBY

cb3bc3 No.35666

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>>35665

I'd have thought Cyanide & Happiness would have won it. Sure their animation sucks, but they get more consistent praise & views for what they do (comedy & shock humor).

Also recomend this vid by them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=999Lz4b9myk

ec6a72 No.35667

>>35664

>they're acting like even the odd voice on reddit who goes against the flow is on-par with us.

because they live in an echo chamber. and not an Internet styled one, but a literal one in their studios. Everyone has the same opinions, everyone has the same style, everyone has the same mindset. to go against the flow is go against the status quo, and you don't want to go against the status quo, do you? you wouldn't dare have those thoughtcrimes… right?

to bring it back to the Internet, all you need is 3-5 smart, right wing guys who don't back down and stands up for each other and you can basically raid and troll Left wing groups that number in the 1000s and you can actually fuck with their minds to the point of them actually leaving the group. and it's small as fuck here, which I don't mind. I don't really believe in SCALE, but I don't really believe in it's opposite ether.

>>35666

Satan confirms that C&H should've won it.

1eda2f No.35668

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Dammit! Was looking at 2015's list of nominees. Here was the competition this year:

ANIMATED

RWBY (Volume 4)

>>35666

And that cyanide show did win in 2015.

cb3bc3 No.35669

>>35667

> all you need is 3-5 smart, right wing guys who don't back down and stands up for each other and you can basically raid and troll Left wing groups that number in the 1000s and you can actually fuck with their minds to the point of them actually leaving the group.

Not even- just people that aren't the same as them, who don't back down etc.

Online 5 can feel like 5000- not to mention being anonymous means identity politic tactics don't work.

IRL it won't work. To "change" a company like that you need to have HR under thumb and to play ball for a LONG time before climbing up the ranks.

Honestly, with how left RT are (with what they've said & done offscreen rather than their productions) I'm shocked they haven't fucked up their productions more. Is it just because they started out as more "shocking & dumb" with Achievement Hunter and RvB (the name Rooster Teeth being the end product of their prototype name, Cockbite)? Honestly, if it wasn't for how some of the left had been during the election (and some of RT) I wouldn't even mention their politics & the quality of their work in the same breath (nor did I notice until someone pointed it out to me). But it's hard not to see why they can't write on themes of racism, nationalism, and how nations can be baited into war.

cb3bc3 No.35670

>>35668

Putting things back on a sunnier track, that analysis is pretty good. I actually managed to work out the Rhythm to the Pyrrah and Cordin fight- and sure enough everything hit on a beat.

ec6a72 No.35671

>But it's hard not to see why they can't write on themes of racism, nationalism, and how nations can be baited into war.

holy double negative, batman.

The reason why they can't is because they missed the greatest, and prehaps, grandest way of showing nationalism, and that is the Invasion of Vale by Atlas in season 2. Ironwood brings a good chunk of his Army / Air Force, and the only person who complains about it is Ozpin, who's afraid of tipping their hands to the enemy. Where the hell was the normie unrest? They even said that the move Ironwood did was unusual compared to other tournaments.

Not only that, but when it failed bigly, why did we see no repercussions in 4? Where were the protests? Where were the angry signs? All we saw a distraught Ironwood, paving the way for Not!Trump Ironwood. (which the buried implication is that you have a be a negative state of mind in order to have nationalist mindset)

the reason why they can't do Racism or Nationalism is because they have a shallow view of both: Racism = KKK, Nationalism = Nazis.

Funniest, and actually well hidden unless you look for it, is that this is backed up by theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory

1eda2f No.35672

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Ilia's existence makes a lie out of what Kerry says in this video about Adam being the "one and only" person Blake opened up to in her White Fang days. According to the limited reports detailing what Miles&Kerry said on the V4 commentary track, there's no indication that Ilia was one of those characters whose existence predates V1.

>>35667

>Everyone has the same opinions, everyone has the same style, everyone has the same mindset. to go against the flow is go against the status quo, and you don't want to go against the status quo, do you? you wouldn't dare have those thoughtcrimes… right?

You'll even publicly flog yourself for the wrongthink you had as a child to fit in with the group, and to demonstrate your current level of "wokeness" in the "current year".

<knew your post reminded me of something

The animators have been at work since April so we'll soon have a chance to see what their greater familiarity with the tools and pipeline bring.

1eda2f No.35673

File: 1a713c0234f9459⋯.webm (11.89 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY_ Combat Ready Announ….webm)

>>35656

>TBH, a World of Remnant board game has potential (Risk + MTG/old YuGiOh).

Does this fit the bill?

cb3bc3 No.35674

>>35672

IMO, her talking to Ilia could have happened while she was with the (peaceful) white fang, not the (violent) white fang. Except Volume 1 shows her as a mere child when the transition (presumably) happens.

Perhapes she has second-thoughts about staying with the White Fang once they change their tactics, and talking to Illia is what convinces her to stay.

But again- I'm doing 90% of the work to make it work.

And of course, a convo about "how did the world shit on you" doesn't mean you opened up to that person. We never saw Blake give her stories to Illia or continue the convo after. But again, speculation.

> That Webm,

> "She didn't have Daddy's mansion"

No, she just clearly has enough money for decent clothes (White Fang money?), and lived in a Jungle Mansion.

It's a shame because what Kerry says about her taking the blame and "opening up only to get hurt when your friends are hurt" does work well, and would make me lean more toward what actually happened being better than alternatives like Blake losing the arm and Yang getting worse (stabbed through the chest so her heart rate can't go high, etc).

Even though the character has blatantly said she blames herself for what happened to Yang- it doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's because her opening up to her friends was done at break-neck speed over the seasons, but like many here- it comes across that her "cowardice" of running away from problems outweighs her regret.

>>35673

> Does this fit the bill?

Hardly. Though it is it's own thing (and I kind of like they did that rather than try to make a fictional board-game work), I have fears of the quality if their video game was anything to go by.

Despite the combat looking like top-trumps, I do like the idea of the enemies telegraphing their attacks with the art on the back of the card. I also like them using cards instead of dice. Dice can be bullshit, and a figurine RPG game could have lacked replay value.

Kickstarting it is scummy as fuck. Preorders sure, but they know they're gonna at least make a decent profit even if they self-funded thanks to the fan-base- this is just so they can make it using someone else's moolah. Kickstarting when you are no longer an indie (despite how RT act) feels cheap. Though RT is owned by Otter Media (who also own Crunchyroll. Strange that was never disclosed by either party)- who is owned by AT&T and some investor & businessman called "Peter Chernin". (Sits on the board at Twitter, owns majority stake in "Barstool Sports"- a group not afraid to be left-leaning and accusing people of being neo-nazis- gave over $100,000 to the Democrats, and hosted Obama in his home for a fundraiser, and a producer of the new Planet of the Apes films). So scummy tactics run in their blood or are outright encouraged from on-high. Literally so much about RT and RWBY makes sense. If you want to see "fighting evil adventures" with cards done right- look up a game called "Marvel Legendary". bdbdb3 No.35675 >Though RT is owned by Otter Media (who also own Crunchyroll. Strange that was never disclosed by either party)- who is owned by AT&T and some investor & businessman called "Peter Chernin". (Sits on the board at Twitter, owns majority stake in "Barstool Sports"- a group not afraid to be left-leaning and accusing people of being neo-nazis- gave over$100,000 to the Democrats, and hosted Obama in his home for a fundraiser, and a producer of the new Planet of the Apes films). So scummy tactics run in their blood or are outright encouraged from on-high.

hooooooooooly shit.

I'm actually shocked by this right now. how the fuck didn't I know this?

1eda2f No.35676

File: b39615ca8fce62d⋯.webm (3.39 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Peter Chernin Talks with ….webm)

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>>35674

>And of course, a convo about "how did the world shit on you" doesn't mean you opened up to that person. We never saw Blake give her stories to Illia or continue the convo after. But again, speculation.

Putting that together with the hesitance Blake & Ilia display when confronting each other, unlike how Blake treats other White Fang members, the speculation could be warranted. The limited visual cues of the "Character Short", like them being in Forever Fall, could put it near the time of Cinder's forced recruitment of the White Fang. Unlike the more nomadic existence implied by the Adam/Cinder scenes V3, Blake and Ilia are on the roof of a more permanent/fortified structure.

>No, she just clearly has enough money for decent clothes (White Fang money?), and lived in a Jungle Mansion.

We've had 2 volumes now of compounding errors of lore that conflict with what was established in the first 2. Just like Pyrrha's fame, Blake being the daughter of the founder and original White Fang leader should have been significant to the plot of previous volumes.

>Otter Media

>Crunchyroll

>AT&T

>Peter Chernin

>Barstool Sports

My own curiosity about "The Chernin Group" was sparked because fans of RT kept referring to the company's acquisition by Fullscreen Media as a turning point. That and their spazzing about every new Funimation voice actor who crops up in RWBY, from Qrow & Winter in V3 to Ilia in V4, set me on the trail. As you say, a lot of things begin to "make sense" in light of that knowledge.

1eda2f No.35678

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>Animation Analysis - RWBY: Character

1eda2f No.35679

File: 72cbe8608e54948⋯.webm (9.24 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY COMBAT READY Intervi….webm)

cb3bc3 No.35680

>>35679

I just realized they can't use the season 1-3 models if the MMD "copyright" fear is true. Hence the drawn work.

I like the scenario replay value, and how events in one scenario carry over to another.

The guy talks about how the fights are often 1v1- and he's kinda right, even during the Monty Era. Yet, his work on RvB and Dead Fantasy would have groups of people fighting better. For example, the Tex vs the Reds fight, or even the fight against the Meta. Sure most of the time it is 1v1- but when other people try to get a hit in, it blends well into the fight. Maybe bosses hit hard/live long enough so that players have to jump in and out? Or it's just PR guff for making 1v1 while other players do shit sound appealing.

Surprised the decks are so small. Hooe you can tailor your play-style a little with the cards you add between scenarios.

Really surprised with all that empty space at the bottom of the card, they didn't move the effect text there and make it larger (never hurts to make your text bigger) or even just fill it with fluff/lore/quotes from the show.

> The RT team are playtesting it.

I mean, it makes sense. I just sense they might end up making it too easy by balancing it for them, or god forbid they miss a broken combo. You need to give it to assholes so if an asshole plays with others they don't just stomp all over game night.

I'm glad it's simple enough for modifying it (not just house rules, but custom cards if you use sleeves, expanding the campaign and making the game more complex, or using the cards in other games).

Over all, I'm actually impressed. I hope it's more than 30 min wonder to play, but on paper they've done plenty to stop that.

At 4:59- is that new footage? Could it be the intro?

cb3bc3 No.35681

>>35678

I think this vid hits it on the head why some of the fights in Volume 4 feel off.

Sure they do cool shit- but they don't fit.

Nora falling off the roof solemnly looks cool for when she then has that wicked grin. Surely she'd jump even higher off that tower and come down as hard as possible- even with a wicked grin, or blind rage trying to protect Ren & get revenge.

Same with Qrow's fucking ballerina moves. He should be actively taunting and tormenting Tyrion into making errors (or encouraging his bad luck semblance) mixed in with quick and aggressive hits to end it quickly to protect RNJR. Sort of like an "outboxer"- someone who dances around to tire out the foe- then goes for the kill when the other guy is running on fumes.

However, it's not restricted to this volume, but earlier it was on a much smaller level (always bugged me the other students fled the food fight, rather than join in. They're dumb kids, and at an academy where they learn to fight & spar. A chance to non-lethaly let off steam like that would be ideal).

c9e3f4 No.35682

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>>35678

There's something poignant about a high schooler with 12 subscribers on youtube knowing more about animating than the creators of a multimillion dollar animated franchise.

cb3bc3 No.35683

>>35682

He claims in a vid he's "19 and hasn't hit puberty yet". Even if the age is correct, he could just have a high-pitched voice.

In any case, never let money = talent. Monty never had that kind of money before RT- and neither do those who animate in a similar style. Not to mention you occasionally get an amateur out of no-where making something amazing with next-to-no budget.

Just be glad this kid is so young. If he keeps at it, he could have a beautiful future.

c9e3f4 No.35684

>>35683

I know money does not mean talent, that wasn't the point. With RT's money they could've hired talent, which they didn't bother doing for some incomprehensible reason (upper management being retarded? More cheap employees beats expensive talented ones?)

deb934 No.35685

>>35684

>(upper management being retarded? More cheap employees beats expensive talented ones?)

Maybe both. Maybe they think they can save more money by hiring inexperienced amateurs, and it has never occurred to them the maxim "If you think hiring professional employees is expensive, wait until you hire amateurs." isn't an empty one.

Or maybe, you know, ideological reasons.

ec6a72 No.35686

>>35685

>it has never occurred to them the maxim "If you think hiring professional employees is expensive, wait until you hire amateurs." isn't an empty one.

well, to be fair and honest, it is an empty maxim when it concerns RT. if it's making money hand over fist, why not just churn out rookies year after year to shave money off?

>Or maybe, you know, ideological reasons.

if there's hard evidence of them firing for that, that would be a fucking shoah for RT. Being a liberal corporation in a massive red state court system.

cb3bc3 No.35687

>>35685

My only guess is they wanted to avoid another Monty situation.

- Cult of personality around one person.

- The one person can threaten to leave to get a bigger paycheque, as their action scenes "make" the show.

Though that can happen with groups. If Shane's letter is true, then it could be they didn't hire people Monty suggested to keep Monty from getting a majority voice in decisions. For better or worse. i.e. no storyboard and free form, using possibly copyright MMD models, etc.

>>35686

>if there's hard evidence of them firing for that, that would be a fucking shoah for RT. Being a liberal corporation in a massive red state court system.

Austin is a blue yolk in a red egg (or a blue yolk on a red cow). Its borderline San Francisco or California. Their proximity to a hard red state makes them more staunch, not to mention lefties flee the rest of Texas and go to Austin.

ec6a72 No.35688

>>35687

>Cult of personality around one person

Now there's a cult of personality around TWO people, one of which is easily offended at the sight of mere criticism

>The one person can threaten to leave to get a bigger paycheque, as their action scenes "make" the show

So basically, the incentive now is to hire the shittiest people you can and get them to be the monkey that writes Plato.

>it could be they didn't hire people Monty suggested to keep Monty from getting a majority voice in decisions

How much of a heartless, soulless corporate bug-man do you have to be to take Monty's own creation, never mind people would actually be good at their job, away from him because of his animation style that made RVB 8-10 bearable was not good enough for you now?

>Their proximity to a hard red state makes them more staunch, not to mention lefties flee the rest of Texas and go to Austin.

what I was trying to say is that in the judicial system, fired for a having a conservative view (even that would be enough to trigger them) in such a red state would be a fucking nightmare.

>Tfw Texas will be a battleground state by 2025

>Tfw Texas will be a blue state by 2030

>Tfw Trump only won Texas by 800K votes, it might be even sooner than projected.

d9b78a No.35689

>>35684

Not to defend them, but…

RT is a company started by amateurs. CockBite is managed by individuals who broke into the industry by founding their own company. It could be that they wish to maintain that amateurism as a corporate esprit de corps. It could be that they see themselves in the people that they hire: they don't recognize their own (talent or luck, whichever you want to call it) in their creation of what made them famous.

cb3bc3 No.35690

>>35689

So they want to give people the big break they did, so they hire people who don't have any major notches under their belt.

From a PR point of view it makes sense.

> We help people who need the break, and we help them get into major companies. Come work for us, we can help your future!

Then they can use the connections from their parent companies to get them jobs in Funinmation, CrunchyRoll and other FullScreen Media things.

If FullScreen Media/Otter Media, and Peter Chernin are basically using Austin to funnel SJWs into other entertainment industries, RT would be perfect for it. Big enough that they could break even on anything and can be well known, but not so big that bigger projects are expected of them (the bigger the project, the more it hurts if it flops).

bdbdb3 No.35693

File: 2850ab67fd4af85⋯.jpg (5.89 KB, 208x190, 104:95, ajm.jpg)

>>35690

>If FullScreen Media/Otter Media, and Peter Chernin are basically using Austin to funnel SJWs into other entertainment industries, RT would be perfect for it. Big enough that they could break even on anything and can be well known, but not so big that bigger projects are expected of them.

I don't know what's worse: Thinking that theory is bat-shit crazy, or thinking it that's it actually a thing that's happening. Because if that's true, then god help us all in the next 10 years. VA's getting uppity, Dubs are getting political… now animation getting SocJus?

bdbdb3 No.35695

File: 0d569f77ce7613c⋯.jpg (165.71 KB, 745x1024, 745:1024, DLUh48KU8AADixj.jpg)

>>35693

>Raven in the back ground, looks like a villain, but maybe not.

>Lack of JNR

>Blake ditches the bow for good

>Qrow will be teaching Oscar how to Ozpin.

any other thoughts, anons?

c9e3f4 No.35696

>>35695

Cinder is presented alongside Raven who up to this point isn't exactly good but not evil either. I'll just be assuming that RT is going for the dumbest twists possible and guess that Cinder will have a change of heart and become an ally or at least turn to the side of the good people.

bdbdb3 No.35697

>>35695

I'll just be assuming that RT is going for the dumbest twists possible and guess that Cinder will have a change of heart and become an ally or at least turn to the side of the good people.

Sorry, but that's a hell of a stretch, even for me. She killed for her powers, and killed to keep them. Having a change of heart now that you made a deal with the literal devil for power and admitted you *like* having the power, it's just seems like it would be the worst plot twist possible. Hell, I'd take "Evil Raven" over "Good Cinder".

bdbdb3 No.35698

>>35697

fugging computer, meant >>35696 swear to god I click on that post.

c9e3f4 No.35699

>>35697

>it's just seems like it would be the worst plot twist possible

Well, yeah, didn't you read my post?

Anyway, it's not far fetched at all. I don't remember much from Vol 4 but I'm pretty sure Cinder didn't exactly like Salem that much. Salem treated her like shit more or less, I recall. If stuff like that escalates, or if it turns out that Salem only used Cinder/tricked her/wronged her in some way, Cinder might just say fuck this, I'm joining the good guys just to get revenge on Salem.

bdbdb3 No.35700

>>35699

>Cinder might just say fuck this, I'm joining the good guys just to get revenge on Salem.

Yes, but that's the thing about Salem; Other than being harsh, there isn't much cause to give Cinder pause. Cinder out and out kills Autumn and Ozpin with her power on Salem's orders, but starts to squirm because Salem's flashes her teeth at (tbh, justified by her POV) failure? it doesn't add up. But who knows, maybe you're right and we can finally shoot this fucking shaggy dog already.

678c6a No.35701

File: 388b352576a5e91⋯.jpg (596.12 KB, 2048x1536, 4:3, DLWAaNFXcAAVraK.jpg)

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>Burns and Hullum have created in Rooster Teeth what can perhaps best be called a media mini empire, employing more than 300 people who collectively create a surprisingly large amount of original content. According to Rooster Teeth's press materials, the company has more than 38 million subscribers to its YouTube Network, gets five million unique monthly visitors to its RoosterTeeth.com hub, and has over two million registered community members.

>For example, at one conference, Burns and Hullum noticed that wearing fans Rooster Teeth "gear" (like t-shirts) also seemed to wear gear celebrating the Japanese form of animation known as anime. The company consequently launched its own anime series, RWBY, now in its fifth season, which is the only American-produced anime that's being exported to and avidly watched in Japan:

Can These 2 Gen-X Founders Leapfrog Over Netflix?

inc.com/geoffrey-james/can-these-two-gen-x-entrepreneurs-leapfrog-over-netflix.html

https://archive.is/c1Cw0

No mention of Rooster Teeth's current owners and a strange version of the RWBY's origin.

>>35695

It was sad watching people theorize the past couple of days about the smaller, lo-res cropped version. Miles or Kerry stated at a panel that Blake would be staying in Menagerie for a while. Raven worries me just because of the reaction to Wonder Woman I remember them (the voice actress and writers) having at the time. Miles&Kerry can be terrible when it comes to outside influences changing things in RWBY, from the Naruto/DBZ/Super Smash Bros inspired tournament in V3 to Jaune's weapon upgrade being Ludwig's Holy Blade from Bloodborne.

>>35696

>Raven who up to this point isn't exactly good but not evil either.

From the Between the Kingdoms WOR >>30783 and the conversation withe Qrow in V4C4 >>30925, Raven and her bandits are responsible for a lot of deaths. She and her crew most recently raided Shion village resulting in a Grimm attack the aftermath of which we saw in V4C2 >>29361.

cb3bc3 No.35702

>>35697

>>35696

>I'll just be assuming that RT is going for the dumbest twists possible and guess that Cinder will have a change of heart and become an ally or at least turn to the side of the good people.

With the hate-boner she has for Ruby (she burned her illusion up, and is "responsible" for the injuries she took) I'd doubt it. I had money on her trying to betray Salem for her own ends (basically hijack whatever her plan is for her own) but Salem outmaneuvering her in advance. Emerald is the most likely to turn back to good, with Mercury having doubts before settling with evil. I'd say it's less sad and more an "emotionless glare". Problem is- injuries or not- that is out of character for her. Smugness, sultry, even rage would be better.

If Cinder does betray Salem, I expect Emerald to be molded into a Cinder replacement by Salem (You used to be poor, life sucks, work for me and you won't be poor or powerless again). Or any plot twist like that is absolute last second (final episodes of the final series)- and even then, done more to spite Salem than to do the right thing.

>>35697

Raven will be incredibly self serving (THE TRIBE), to the point of being a secondary antagonist. She's "evil" because she isn't aiding good. She may join in for some big final battle the series has, or sit out entirely.

>>35700

It could be fear. Tyrion is blindly loyal to her, to the point her saying she's disappointed sends him into a nervous breakdown. The only one that seems to speak back to her is the man-mountain Oscar ran into. Not to mention whatever that jellyfish grim did to Cinder behind closed doors.The writers are throwing us these cues to tell us we should be afraid of her… But it's not really working. Other than the grim obeying her.

>>35701

What the fuck is up with Yang's neck in that photo? Collar + boob window is fine, rule of cool and all, but her neck looks a few inches too long. A collar that thick should almost cover all her neck. But then that'd involve it changing shape as Yang's head moves against it.

> a strange version of the RWBY's origin.

Is the memory hole starting early?

> Raven worries me just because of the reaction to Wonder Woman I remember them (the voice actress and writers) having at the time.

What was that? I thought it was well received by all (except /co/)? I heard the character was reasonably fleshed out, and for SJW "strong womyn punch bad ppl good".

Monty had been doing transforming weapons before Bloodbourne and many others long before that. My only qualm is with how fucking puny the blade looks. Sure it's heavier, but it doesn't look it from how it's swung. I'd have been happy with it going full buster sword size if they can take creative liberties.

> She and her crew most recently raided Shion village resulting in a Grimm attack the aftermath of which we saw in V4C2

Wait- her "Tribe" are just a bunch of bandits? I was expecting some special group that knew more shit about the world/Grim/Maidens, hidden away somewhere, training harshly-

And she's a fucking glorified bandit queen with a sword far fancier than she would get??

Or are you saying along with regular bandits, her group also raids for shit… And if we assume they have her attitude and some of her skill- their strength and tactics don't make them stand out from simple thugs?

> Hey man did your village get hit by bandits?

< No it was those guys that could fight like huntsmen lead by the women with 20+ different katana blades.

> Oh is that all?

I don't give a fuck about deadlines- plan this shit in advance and work out how you're gonna get every scrap of into into the series!! Sure we'd only just have finished the summer dance by now if that was the case, and long running shows can collapse under their own weight- but that's better than the fly-by-night shit.

cb3bc3 No.35703

>>35701

>>35702

Looking at that webm >>30925 it was obvious they were a bandit tribe. My bad. She sure spoke like it was a lot more.

I also missed the part where it's heavily implied she has the Spring Maiden (or a Maiden) on her side.

678c6a No.35705

File: fcfd404dda9198d⋯.png (3.32 MB, 1445x5077, 1445:5077, Rooster Teeth_tumblr.png)

File: caa33242c27c6d4⋯.webm (3.94 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Innovative airbag system ….webm)

File: 39820c49af7e272⋯.jpg (84.76 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, DLYQgfUVYAAS2wW.jpg)

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>>35702

>A collar that thick should almost cover all her neck.

You're right, and its real world analogue does cover the entire neck. Yang's outfit has had the worst translation from Eileen Chang's drawings into 3d. There's speculation that the collar is a Hövding airbag/helmet. Saves them having to fix her hair clipping through the helmet when she rides.

Speaking of bad translations… If they cropped Ruby on that billboard the way they did for their twitter banner, with the pole behind her and ripped leggings visible, I wonder what people would think they were advertising?

>I thought it was well received by all (except /co/)?

Yes, it was well-received, that's part of what concerns me. Will it cause them to ignore what they've previously established about Raven's character?

>Monty had been doing transforming weapons before Bloodbourne and many others long before that.

Should've specified that Miles already admitted (without specifying) in the V3 commentary track that they'd changed Qrow's weapon because he played Bloodborne.

<It consists of a longsword that, when transformed, combines with its sheath to form what is by all rights a Greatsword.

Other viewers identified it as being Ludwig's Holy Blade, having read about it and seen vid of it in action, I can't disagree.

678c6a No.35706

File: dbe883f91cb950a⋯.png (583.53 KB, 1181x1565, 1181:1565, Countdown to RWBY Volume 5.png)

File: 91bf9950b580e83⋯.mp4 (2.75 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Anime Together on Twitch R….mp4)

File: 65271164c14da0f⋯.png (185.82 KB, 300x434, 150:217, Screenshot-2017-10-5 Roost….png)

File: 288345954525155⋯.jpg (404.17 KB, 1280x961, 1280:961, tumblr_oxcys75L911qdxepho1….jpg)

Funny they only show clips from V1.

<They had to know that big woman was back there when they took the photo

678c6a No.35708

File: 9d56bf5051f7ee4⋯.webm (2.67 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberl….webm)

File: 6c30e5f3131fca7⋯.webm (3.94 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberl….webm)

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File: b6db291d540045c⋯.webm (1.35 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberl….webm)

>The future-fantasy world of Remnant is filled with ravenous monsters, treacherous terrain, and more villains than you can shake a sniper-scythe at. Fortunately, Beacon Academy is training Huntsmen and Huntresses to battle the evils of the world, and Ruby (Lindsay Jones), Weiss (Kara Eberle), Blake (Arryn Zech), and Yang (Barbara Dunkelman) are ready for their first day of class. Check out the voice actors from the series, "RWBY," as they discuss the show on the BUILD stage.

Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberle, Arryn Zech & Barbara Dunkleman Speak On "RWBY"

aol.com/video/59d699fa4db5ff387aba9103/

678c6a No.35709

File: dce6dfa2ff835ea⋯.webm (1.14 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberl….webm)

File: ddf4b21efe9e6f5⋯.webm (4.08 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberl….webm)

File: b296712b63db8aa⋯.webm (1.29 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones, Kara Eberl….webm)

678c6a No.35711

File: e3af7247ee67b90⋯.webm (2.01 MB, 640x360, 16:9, NYCC 2017 RWBY Panel 001.webm)

File: d672bd6e953b1e3⋯.webm (1.02 MB, 640x360, 16:9, NYCC 2017 RWBY Panel 002.webm)

>NYCC 2017 RWBY Panel

>first half was meandering and merchandising

>Q&A was a waste

>RWBY V5 preview, Yang Character Short & Gen:Lock Character trailer not streamed

69c575 No.35712

>In Volume 4, “the major themes were overcoming grief and loss,” said Luna. “Volume 5 is about picking yourself back up and getting stronger.”

>Gray said that “RWBY” Volume 4 was a creative risk for the team, because the four lead characters split up and have been walking separate paths. At the start of the fifth season, “questions remain about whether they get back together,” he said. (It seems all but certain that the girls will be reunited.)

>More twists are promised for Volume 5: “We refer to it as ‘Monty-ness’ – something you didn’t expect,” Luna said. That’s a reference to Monty Oum, the Rooster Teeth animator who created “RWBY.”

>Oum, who was a key animator on Rooster Teeth’s “Red vs. Blue” franchise, died in February 2015. Gray noted that the audience for “RWBY” is still divided, with simmering controversies about whether the show is remaining true to Oum’s vision. “Monty was always pushing to do something new,” said Gray.

>The production budget for “RWBY” Volume 5 has grown threefold compared with the early seasons. The latest season has a production crew of 80 people, mostly based at Rooster Teeth’s Austin, Texas, headquarters. The animation is done in-house, with the actors wearing performance-capture suits to create the basis of the scenes.

>Going forward, Rooster Teeth could produce as many as 12 seasons of “RWBY,” and the team has story arcs outlined that would take the show that far. “The story does have a definitive ending with the four girls,” Luna said.

>In addition to the show itself, Rooster Teeth also on Oct. 14 will premiere a behind-the-scenes weekly series, “CRWBY: Behind the Episode,” about the making of the show. Then on Oct. 17, it will debut the “RWBY Rewind” live aftershow, hosted by Rooster Teeth’s Yssa Badiola and Chad James to catch up on the most recent episode with the cast and crew and provide sneak peeks at the next episode.

‘RWBY’ Volume 5 Creative Team on What to Expect and Haters Who Think It’s Not Actual Anime

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/rwby-volume-5-preview-anime-controversy-1202582571/

http://archive.is/0dDJ3

c1205b No.35713

File: 94d45a75e5d3fee⋯.jpg (41.85 KB, 712x405, 712:405, IMG_20171007_131007.jpg)

This is Lionheart, say something nice to him.

69c575 No.35714

File: ca23952b8c7cd5d⋯.jpg (23.17 KB, 719x371, 719:371, DLjFy3rUMAA3RqN.jpg)

File: 8d4558b71b34c79⋯.jpg (21.68 KB, 668x345, 668:345, DLjFzsUVAAEjwVf.jpg)

File: 9b184876d4c0712⋯.jpg (40.3 KB, 710x403, 710:403, DLjRDzxVYAAxBxz.jpg)

File: fc70a0d01306749⋯.jpg (58.96 KB, 705x717, 235:239, DLj63gkX0AARoxd.jpg)

File: b456262f5f73a00⋯.jpg (32.16 KB, 720x407, 720:407, 1507420834737.jpg)

>1. Adam kneels before a dias where Sienna Khan sits among 4 White Fang Guards

>2. Adam (in a new outfit) approaches Sienna Khan & the guards

>3. Yang punching someone

>4. Yang semblance active

>5. Raven & 2 of her bandit tribe standing over someone

c53079 No.35715

File: d5fd9ca94b37196⋯.jpg (73.8 KB, 607x608, 607:608, 05cc660de40c74096f7904a13d….jpg)

>>35663

>>35714

Yang "Kill the Faunus without a fuss" Xiao Long

Yang "For the White Fang she'll use rope to hang" Xiao Long

Yang "Like the furries? Better worry" Xiao Long

b91886 No.35716

>>35714

>>35713

Where did you get this shit from? Links?

31bb53 No.35717

>>35714

>That closeup on Yang

Damn, this is the first time anything from the show looked arsthetically pleasing.

678c6a No.35718

File: fd28ea81b8ff948⋯.webm (7.64 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, RWBY Volume 5 Leaked Trai….webm)

dailymotion.com/video/x63ra5g﻿

b91886 No.35719

File: ef0ded29e468c6a⋯.png (181.07 KB, 343x320, 343:320, rwby weiss roman virginity.png)

Anyone wanna bite the bullet and leak the webm onto /rwby/ once the episode premiers Oct 14?

8abc1f No.35720

>Yang looking aesthetically pleasing

>Ozcar meeting up with RNJR

>Weiss still fighting summoned grimm apparently

>Blake actually doing something worth a damn

>everyone's having their own mansions and cathedrals

>Angry Salem

>Mysterious Raven

it's so strange. I can't decided if that was a actual good trailer or not. It showed a lot, but not a lot piqued my interest. mostly because I only know what Blake and the Villains are doing. Yang smashing that dude in the face serves no purpose if I don't know the intent of it. same goes for RNJR and the McMansion they're in. Lionheart, we know he's going to be in the same plot as the villains, but he's a new character, so a flash on the screen isn't much to go on.

cb3bc3 No.35721

>>35719

Only if the audio is better than that webm. Can't be helped since it's a leak but yknow.

>>35720

Don't forget it reshowed stuff from the Weiss and Blake trailers.

Though it does show new footage of Weiss doing a heat wave. So maybe she bumps into her sister and she gets them to attack/capture her (acting as a callback to the trailer and showing how Weiss has improved). That or it's another flashback that'll inspire her, or give her an idea to get around a problem. It also shows I think her knight summon falling through clear blue skies. Atlas usually is shown at night, or with light pouring through the windows obscuring the outside world with what we've seen so far. Does this mean Weiss is getting out of Atlas in this season, or are we just gonna see more of Atlas? Or was that something else in white armor (a mecha)?

Wonder how come Ruby and Yang didn't get a trailer.

Glad they're making it obvious the White Fang aren't just "Gimmedats & Dindus"- but actual full blown supremacists using history to legitimize and recruit others. Though I think that'll be a critique of certain IRL groups rather than others that they more closely behave like. They could have kept Atlus as the MAGA equivalent, but having bad Faunus with motives they'd never usually show on a minority means they have the potential to craft a good story. But it'll probably boil down to "don't judge or be afraid of a group because some of them literally want to kill and replace you."

The only irks I have is under what condition Qrow tells Ruby about Raven and the Spring Maiden- something he didn't before. Sure he nearly died, but I hope his desperation of getting them involved comes across.

The biggest plot one is that it seems not only is Adam managing to do something that'll let him take over all of Haven ("The largest of the Kingdoms"- unless it's mostly fields and mountains)- which kind of undersold how big the group is, but at the same time RNGR are gonna track down Raven. Unless the idea is "get the Spring Maiden to stop Adam"- which is the mother of all hail mary's. They need to play careful with this (If Adam had the power to take over Haven, why didn't he use it to take a smaller place like Mistral- especially during the chaos of the Vytal Festival? If he got more power- how? etc. if they had ever shown Faunus being abused, then saying after the Vytal Festival more radical Faunus saw it and joined since the White Fangwas "making progress"- not to mention humans abusing Faunus out of fear just made more that could join their ranks.)

The other is how un-oriental Lionheart looks. Mistral is American/Western Europe inspired, Atlas is Eastern + Classic Europe inspired, and both have their people dress to match. So far- Haven has been shown to be Japanese inspired (even the outskirts). Yet, Lionheart looks out of place. We'd assume he would be a native of the Kingdom, since the schools were set up so each Kingdom would raise their own and promote peace- a job ideal for a local. I know Japan took a lot of influence from the outside world including clothes & suits, and I hardly expected him to be in a full blown shogun kimono with that little hair antenna thing. But nothing about his design says "I am a headmaster of the Not-Japan Kingdom".

Bottom line- it seems like they have the flair to look good. And that'll be enough to keep them ticking over with normalfags. Look semi-good, have an overarching mystery or plot, and enough reach to make sure you can get the lowest common denominator the world over.

But they need to do a ton of work to patch plot holes, show/explain shit that needed to be in earlier (the only time you obscure shit is when you want it to pay off later), and of course get the fight scenes back up to snuff. And what we've seen in the Weiss and Blake trailers does not rise my confidence in that.

Gonna keep watching via webms with you guys.

e6b85c No.35722

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Higher quality version is out.

a02949 No.35723

File: f7534959576f932⋯.webm (7.74 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY_ Volume 5 Trailer - ….webm)

>Ruby: Hello! (glass shatters)

>Ren: There doesn't seem to be anyone here.

>Salem: The White Fang was promised the destruction of Haven and they'll have it once we have what we need.

>Ilia: Your plan isn't going to work Blake, just leave Menagerie before it's too late.

>Blake: You're going to have to make me.

>Yang: And I'm uh, looking for someone.

>Leonhardt: Mistral's controlled territory is the widest reaching in the world, you know, and that makes it infinitely harder to protect. We get one shot at this.

>Blake: If Adam gets his way and Haven falls, it's only going to make things worse for the Faunus.

>Adam: We're better than humans. We have everything humans have and more.

>Ruby: Things are bad but we can figure this out. (a school of dolphin's suicide)

>Qrow: My sister has the Spring Maiden and I know where she is. We need to go as soon as possible!

>Oscar: I always knew that I wanted to be more than a farmhand but who would ask for this?

8abc1f No.35724

>>35721

>Wonder how come Ruby and Yang didn't get a trailer.

Tbh, Volume 4 was the Ruby Trailer, and Yang is just like her personality, she's just there for the ride.

>They could have kept Atlus as the MAGA equivalent, but having bad Faunus with motives they'd never usually show on a minority means they have the potential to craft a good story.

Yes, but you also have to understand that they're basing Faunus/Human on 1960s Civil rights movements, and by that I mean in which MLK became black Jesus, walked over the Edmund Pettus and suddenly Inclusion. Never mind the guns of the state were pointed at whites to force them to integrate.

>don't judge or be afraid of a group because some of them literally want to kill and replace you."

So they went from American Blacks to Black Muslims. This will be fun.

>The other is how un-oriental Lionheart looks.

Just going to take a shot in the dark here and say that Lionheart isn't a Mistrali. if he had a more Japanese-ish name, like Akagi or Soryu, then maybe. Also, you have to understand that the Wizard of oz motif is now in play, and that usually overrides everything else.

>But they need to do a ton of work to patch plot holes, show/explain shit that needed to be in earlier (the only time you obscure shit is when you want it to pay off later), and of course get the fight scenes back up to snuff.

Same RWBY, Different Volume.

a02949 No.35725

File: 5ebc53d0c5fea9d⋯.png (994.04 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, there's that room again.png)

File: a0c3946ff9cf402⋯.png (676.1 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, bandits with belts.png)

File: 8d1a910f1aa4182⋯.png (1.14 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, ruby at the rail.png)

File: ef07f046ac58bc5⋯.png (808.28 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, cargo ship.png)

File: 52812b0ab1ce5b3⋯.png (975.58 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, grimm over water.png)

>ML: This is our first show that we wrote originally. We didn’t always do a good job of setting things up and explaining things. These shorts we didn’t want them to just be entertaining but give more insight and depth into where these characters are coming from, some of their relationships like with Ilia that give a frame of mind as to where they are right now.

>BD: …It’s hard to put her in the mindset of wanting help and kind of being snarky about it, I don’t think I would do that especially not modern day me. Maybe in my teenage years when I was more of a brat so I guess I pulled from that.

>ML: …I think we got a little ambitious and we were excited about it and when we got into it we were like “oh shoot we’re already at page 12 and we haven't even touched on this scene or this moment.” So then we rely on montages and quick and dirty exposition, which you don’t always want to do. But we learned real quick that this is much more difficult than we thought.

>ML: …And we found out early on when we were pacing out the season that Volumes 5 and 6 will be difficult to navigate from a yearly release standpoint. That’s when we brought up the idea if we can do longer episodes or more and we decided on the latter.

player.one/rwby-volume-season-5-interview-trailer-120721

http://archive.is/nHOrD

cb3bc3 No.35726

>>35725

At least they are listening to some critique, and know in theory how to improve.

Now we just hope they put the right things on paper.

The big frustration is with the holes early on, we've all theorized head canon or how we'd have done it. And it's gonna be hard for the writers to do outdo that. They have to bail out the boat as it leaks- we can just imagine what it'd be like if it was executed perfectly for us individually the first time around.

b91886 No.35727

File: 939adff7f0f6a0a⋯.gif (2.46 MB, 200x200, 1:1, Maximum_thumbs_up.gif)

>>35725

>RT is actually listening and trying to get their shit together, maybe

bdbdb3 No.35730

>>35727

Joke's on you, they're using Tumblr suggestions to make the improvements!

To be serious, I don't take much stock in saying they'll improve this time around. Every time a volume came out, it seems like, at best, was 2 steps forward on one area, 2 steps back on another. Monty's death crippled the fighting animation, something that can be felt to this day. There's also the way a lot of episodes in Volume 4 were just so slow and boring, one can't help but feel they're trying to go more story based.

Also consider the mash of cultures that going on in Mistral. Pyrrha was a Mistrali, a very popular one, and it was heavily implied that she took on her city culture, which would be a Greek type of culture. but now it's all but confirmed Mistral is Not!Japan, which begs the question: Where does Pyrrha fit in this? If we want to take it to the Meta-level, why the hell would you give Yang her name if you were going to make a city-state based on an Asian nation?

c9e3f4 No.35731

>>35730

> a lot of episodes in Volume 4 were just so slow and boring

you mean all of them

cb3bc3 No.35733

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Good news, the VAs for team RWBY talk!

Bad news, it's in a kinda vagina monologue-light podcast thing. (They get sloshed and talk more openly about relationships and sex).

The only other time they might have talked about RWBY on this show is the "big in Japan" episode, but that might just be about the figurine of Yang.

Even the guy who does the highlight reels hasn't done highlights for this show in a while.

I will endure and report back.

678c6a No.35734

Blake says, if Adam succeeds in toppling Haven, "it's only going to make things worse for the Faunus". Worse than what? Everyone saw the White Fang at the fall of Beacon unleashing Grimm and gleefully participating in the slaughter. Nothing changed for them. V4 didn't even mention the Faunus as a whole, they only showed one newscast that mentioned Adam Taurus. The never even mentioned any backlash against the Faunus or White Fang in the kingdoms. So why would this time, this school's collapse, be any different?

>>35733

Always Open is just their "sex talk" show. Disengage before its too late, anon.

bdbdb3 No.35735

>>35734

Because, if I have to hazard a guess, He wants to use Shock and Awe tactics against humans. By Taking Vale (during a tournament with extremely heavy security) and Mistral out, it weakens Atlas as a whole and Vacuo is cut off from Mistral. By doing that, it could cut off supplies for the Faunus of Vacuo or Menagerie, thus ruining the societies that the WF wants to save.

cb3bc3 No.35736

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>35733

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=568 - Challenging each other to draw their characters in 30 seconds (they also drew each other IRL in the bit before it)

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=1306

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=1545

RWBY Volume 5 Discussion. Goes off topic A LOT.

Key points:

> VAs shocked how many people have watched RWBY. Millions, global audience, some people who like RWBY don't know what Achievement Hunter or even Rooster Teeth is, etc etc.

> They find it freaky how they are the voices of "cartoons" that people are growing up with. Not to mention how they used to ask VAs they like how they got into it- and now people are asking them. However, they quickly emphasize their situation was different and involved a lot of luck. They do promote networking to make it possible to get that luck however. Even giving demo-tapes at conventions to industry people.

> Lindsy & Kara says some very young kids don't believe they voice their characters. Possibly because they're so young they can't tell why mom/dad is telling them a stranger is a cartoon. Barbra and Ayrn explain how it's different for them since they use their normal voices- and Kara just puts on some different inflections for Weiss.

> Lindsy admits/feels Ruby in Chibi is "kind of a little shit & mischievous".

> Barbra and co admit they blank when they get asked "say your fave line" at cons.Aryn usually goes with "…Right."

> They giggle over Blake's "Some day, they're coming" speech and Ayrn wishes she could re-do it despite loving it at the time.

> Yang's "If you feel like coming out tonight" line to Blake sparking Bumblebee.

> Lindsy pranks Kara in the hotel at cons.

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=2217

Ask them anything. From this point on it's not RWBY related.

cb3bc3 No.35737

>>35734

I assume it's a "fan the flames" kinda deal. If it won't blow up now, it'll be much worse when it does. Or incidents are happening and they never make the cut.

And yeah- I know what it is. HemboHero does highlights of RT's content, and sometimes it's appeared on the monthly/weekly highlight reel (usually the earlier episodes of Always Open). They have a scream and some of it is pretty funny, but then they get to the sex/agony aunt bit and that's where you can tune out.

678c6a No.35738

File: b0be05ecb8b3147⋯.png (1.19 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Blake Ilia meeting.png)

File: f79e690f60b928e⋯.png (895.17 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, big empty store.png)

File: 8e99ccfcf934bcc⋯.png (547.46 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, funny way to sit.png)

File: 18bbaf0803305ee⋯.png (1.46 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, empty office.png)

>>35735

>By doing that, it could cut off supplies for the Faunus of Vacuo or Menagerie, thus ruining the societies that the WF wants to save.

Does Adam/WF even want to save the existing societies? We've seen Adam write off large numbers of "his people" to attack Vale and the Grimm they brought attacked Faunus and human indiscriminately. Maybe they've gone full on, "we've got to destroy the world to save it." Those Faunus who integrate with human society or even worse leave the White Fang (like Tukson) perish with the rest of the unbelievers.

>>35737

>They have a scream and some of it is pretty funny, but then they get to the sex/agony aunt bit and that's where you can tune out.

Figured they wouldn't provide any more insight than their boilerplate answers. They seem scared to express even a tiny bit of disagreement with where their characters are and what they're doing. They don't need to dump on Miles&Kerry, just express their honest thoughts about the show. They could say that they thought their character would have done this or that in past situations. Or that they thought the story was going to go one way when it went another in past volumes. Even if they were to qualify it by saying that what ultimately happened in the show worked out better than what they had in mind, just something more than the repetitious nothings they usually say.

Hope the fix the character/environment scale issues this volume.

5cbb9d No.35739

A lack of well animated fight sequences, despite being the 3rd season after Monty's death.

08b24f No.35740

Nora, Ren and Qrow all die at the end of vol.5, but they prevent Salem from getting the artifact.

Yang, after getting rejected by Blake, goes on a PTSD rampage and gets thrown into an Atlus prison.

Ruby, distraught, teams with Weiss, making their way to another school with Janue and the farmboy.

Farmboy is revealed to be a back up body for Ozpin in case Ozpin's body died. The body Ozpin dies in isn't his real one.

Blake is severely injured by Adam in some form or regard and Son saves her.

My predictions.

678c6a No.35741

File: 455012020fb4754⋯.webm (4.78 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Interview_ Miles Luna & P….webm)

File: 79bb99e4adc6fa0⋯.webm (620.91 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Einlee.webm)

File: 34e3aa5a2929c7a⋯.png (540.87 KB, 2398x808, 1199:404, danger of automated transl….png)

06befd No.35742

>>35616

>Maybe if fanus had the possibility of going berserk due to them being half animal out of no where then maybe I could see it but this shit is weak.

I know this is a pretty late post to reply, but Kuma's alternate universe story Henceforward pretty much had it written that there was a correlation with Faunus being Grimms

cb3bc3 No.35743

>>35740

I wasn't on board for most of these except for the Oscar/Ozpin part. Considering the inspiration "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"- the first thing you see isn't Ozpin it makes sense. Though I wouldn't go as far as suggesting Oscar was designed/created/sired just to be Ozpin's body. Like the Maidens- his soul enters another, in his case random or specific guidelines.

I can't see them killing off someone like Nora/Ren. Maybe a fake death with Qrow since I imagine he'd die closer to the big fight with Salem. I can see Yang rejecting Blake but not vice-versa. Blake thinks Yang is dead, and Yang (rightly) thinks Blake abandoned the team.

>>35742

Care to post to post that in the How To Fix RWBY thread? Seeing someone else propose an alt. universe would be interesting.

I wanted to write up something similar myself, but I didn't know if there'd be any interest.

08b24f No.35744

>>35743

IMO, there needs to be meaningful deaths this chapter. Vol.4 felt worse without it, and for Qrow not to die after that build up by him getting poisoned is shit, IMO.

ec6a72 No.35745

>>35744

The Problem with Death is that it's a hard balancing act to do once you start it. Who should die? Why? How? If they die, what happens to his/her friends or family? If there was a plot line with him/her, what happens? Pyrrha's death was worthless, and NO repercussion that came in Volume 4.

c9e3f4 No.35746

>>35745>>35745

>Pyrrha's death was worthless

So was Penny's death. I always like Pyrrha's death because at least RT couldn't back pedal when it came to her character (since she's fucking gone). I guess that was wishful thinking, since she's guaranteed to come back. I really hate that shit. Why kill her and bring her back? These retards can't do anything right.

>The Problem with Death is that it's a hard balancing act to do once you start it

You're right, and M&K clearly don't have the skill to handle it. I think Qrow dying could serve as an important reason for Ruby to grow as a character, but the writers will inevitably fuck this up should they decide to kill off Qrow (like by making Jaune grow as a result instead.)

cb3bc3 No.35747

>>35745

A key point of storytelling is that the audience only cares about the characters in the world. You could have that world burned down and they won't give a damn. Have one of the characters suffer, and their heart will bleed for them (if they liked them).

Despite not liking it's tone shift, I think the Vytal Festival attack needed to have more people die. People the audience cared about. Have a few minor characters (Cordin's team-mates and some of the people in the tournament) but then someone on-par with Team CFFE or even Porter. The more the audience thinks "oh my god they killed X off" the more exciting/suspenseful it is when other characters are injured. Make them think no one is safe. Even though Nora, Ren, Jaune and RWBY would survive- the tournament has an effect on the audience. They lost characters they liked, survivors they liked are affected by it, and the audience can empathize easier with characters when they say they feel devastated by the event.

While Jaune's been nothing but fucking useless (due to bad writing- even though he's supposed to be a tactician), Pyrrha's death should have hit him harder. Being frustrated his training is failing without her guidance. That he's "disgracing her memory" by going backwards. That without her kind words- he can't do it. He's forced to fight like a professional hunter, he can't, and he lost the one person who could have made him better than he is. That training via the phone should have had him raging and smacking hell out of a tree, or he gets into an argument with Ruby as she offers a pep-talk and reveals he faked his way into Beacon.

And of course, the audience should have felt something for Phyrrah dying. Most did, but it needed something to truly tear the audience's heart out (like when Yang lost her arm). It's hard to make an audience relate to someone who feels isolated because she's "perfect & unapproachable". Maybe they should have emphasized her loneliness, her eagerness to finally make friends, the stress of being put on a pedestal- and the sacrifice to become a Maiden tipping her over the edge.

678c6a No.35748

File: 7d5591843198046⋯.webm (4.28 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY V3C9 - Penny Pyrrha ….webm)

File: 0570d48957c1a00⋯.webm (4.83 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY V3C9 - Penny Pyrrha ….webm)

Since it was brought up, here are 2 commentary tracks on the destruction of Penny's shell.

678c6a No.35749

File: bed063dca5d2900⋯.webm (4.29 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY V3C12 - Cinder Pyrrh….webm)

File: f93408a10a0dbb7⋯.webm (4.71 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY V3C12 - Cinder Pyrrh….webm)

And 2 on Pyrrha's death.

>>35746

>I guess that was wishful thinking, since she's guaranteed to come back. I really hate that shit. Why kill her and bring her back? These retards can't do anything right.

Funnily enough the fandom was recently upset because Miles&Kerry clarified that they had Cinder go overboard and burn Pyrrha up from the inside so the fans would get the point that she was really dead and wasn't coming back. Sadly seems to have had the opposite effect. The more time passes and people get firmer in their conviction that Pyrrha's coming back.

08b24f No.35750

>>35746

What this anon said. Qrow dying would finally give Ruby much needed growth. Ruby needs to experience despair. She's boring otherwise as a character. Ren and Nora, IMO, have completed their arcs. All that's really left for them to do is ship them together.

678c6a No.35751

File: 1c362d69f8e3a3c⋯.webm (10.36 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Lindsay Jones & Barbara D….webm)

File: 666b89553875cdb⋯.webm (400.38 KB, 640x360, 16:9, Rooster Teeth Q&A_proud t….webm)

cb3bc3 No.35752

>>35749

Apart from the SSSN and INDG fight (and a few other moments) - Volume 3's fights weren't that bad considering they had only bits and pieces of Monty's work.

IIRC, Yang Vs. Mercury was the last thing fully done by him, with some scatterings of later events. I'd argue the fight between Pyrrah and Cinder (at least the bits before the tower's roof is blown off) is all Monty.

And they really needed to show Pyrrah bursting into flames rather than pixie dust. And the idea of Jaune being semi-responsible for her death would have given his self-hared over his failings more weight.

>>35750

Not even that. Her key trait- the thing core to her character- is her innocence. She believes working together can always over come evil, and that they can be heroes who save the day with no downsides.

Volume 4 she could have learned that she can't save everyone. She has to move away from villages to progress with her overall mission, despite knowing she's leaving them vulnerable. She can't cheer up team-mates with a positive speech (if she discussed Jaune's self doubt more, or the argument with Nora & Ren about going through their old village). She learns that she's still not a perfect fighter, and people can die on her watch- like Qrow getting poisoned. In fact, Qrow getting poisoned should have been her wake-up call to "you can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. You can give 100%- and the world might not improve, or get worse". She kinda touches on this in her letter home, but instead it's just keep-your-chin-up stuff.

Challenging a character's core is often a big part of character arcs.

Weiss' core is (arguably) what's expected of her, and who she wants to be. Something that changed at her time in Beacon- and seeing more of Atlus in a new light making her conflicted (despite no real love for her father- her sense of duty to her country and Schnee Co. that's been hammered into her for years- and now coming to terms with "shits not how it should be"). Her losing her chance to reshape Atlas via her heir-ship should have been devastating. She's had to retreat- to give up. Does she try to meetup with RWBY, or fix Atlus in other ways?

Yang's core is her confidence. Keep pushing and it'll all turn out alright. Except they resolved PTSD in a flash.

Blake's core is… something? It's certainly some form of trauma or psychosis ("If I get attached to people, they'll get hurt") and the fact her worse fears came true should have been more interesting. She softened up to Sun finding her a little too quick- but I can't really pin down why it didn't work since there wasn't much to go on.

Ren getting over his "cowardice" would have been grand if we saw it before hand (i.e. after using his semblance to "mute" emotions, he struggles to maintain his own- like a panic attack or shellshock). Jaune should have been able to regain his confidence as a tactician- except he never came up with anything smart or had a time to shine.

What even was Nora's arc? She was comic relief who wanted to ride Ren's bones. Again, maybe if she was acting as someone who always comforted Ren when he freaked out- then having to address/confront it in the village with the hearty slap and "we need you!" speech would have helped her grow (rather than be someone who mothers her friends, someone who has to learn to tell friends when they are wrong)- but yes, killing their arcs that early is a bad call IMO.

cb3bc3 No.35753

>>35751

> First Webm

Monty did stuff all good writers do- write from what you know and who you know. He just took it super literal. I hope this is something M&K does (but not letting VAs dictate what to do- obviously).

Hell, the stuff they say about the characters is stuff we'd like to see more in the show. Volume 3 and prior I'd say no one is out of character. Volume 4 had a few cracks which we're told is stuff we should have known earlier.

If this is all in Monty's bible- anyone could remake this show into something amazing. Though you may have to rewrite some stuff to make it flow better- which comes down to personal opinion and what you want to give to what kind of audience.

> Second Webm

I feel like the writers got told more than what was shown i.e. the character's mental state. As said time and again- that whole episode should have been the stress of the show combined with many incidents of Atlas' high society being dicks to push her over the edge.

678c6a No.35754

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>>35752

>IIRC, Yang Vs. Mercury was the last thing fully done by him, with some

scatterings of later events.

Mercury vs Yang was Shane with some shots done by Monty. You'll note the clipped way they speak about him in the director's commentary. The praise for Shane and his work was more effusive in previous volumes and interviews. Also Miles&Kerry not understanding the qi/chi/ki roots of Aura did a lot of damage to the show.

>I'd argue the fight between Pyrrah and Cinder (at least the bits before the

tower's roof is blown off) is all Monty.

That's just how good Dillon is. He understands the principles and is self-taught. Remember that Shane was scouting Dillon for the show before RT hired him.

>And the idea of Jaune being semi-responsible for her death would have given his self-hared over his failings more weight.

Part of Monty's original plan for the character that went by the wayside. The show and character are poorer for its removal.

678c6a No.35755

File: c3a26fb9ef653c9⋯.webm (5.33 MB, 640x360, 16:9, RWBY Volume 5 Intro [360p….webm)

cell phone quality

cb3bc3 No.35756

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>>35754

> That's just how good Dillon is. He understands the principles and is self-taught. Remember that Shane was scouting Dillon for the show before RT hired him.

So how come they never used him in Volume 4?

Did they salt the earth of everything Shane wanted after… Whatever he did? **I believe half of Shane's letter, but I won't lie that his own fanboyism might have skewed a lot of info within. As a way to discredit him, it's perfect. Whether its true or not I can't find concrete

proof one way or the other**

I've seen Dillon's work on here before. I'll post his latest (his humor is a little weird, but that's not the focus).

cb3bc3 No.35757

>>35755

Is this still the usual singer?

Also, surprisingly un-dynamic intro.

I like the song from what I hear, seems a little bit better in fighting- but still the sluggish "western" pace of fighting.

bdbdb3 No.35758

>>35756

>Did they salt the earth of everything Shane wanted after… Whatever he did?

I genuinely believe they did They are a big enough company to burn that tree and all of it's branches and come away fine.

>I believe half of Shane's letter, but I won't lie that his own fanboyism might have skewed a lot of info within.

Well there was factual evidence about some of the things he said. For an example, he didn't like how they transition from local computers holding data to a central datapoint, something that Miles confirms in Volume 3. And the move to Maya, something that was also confirmed, way before anything was announced.

He also got backing from Kathleen and one of the Volume 1 RWBY animators that worked closely with Monty. it was a chick, and I forgot her tumblr.

cb3bc3 No.35759

>>35758

So is it a case that he just spilled spaghetti and dealt with shit in the worst way possible (he couldn't work for RT because of "temper tantrums" or sperg outs), or was his only crime really wanting to get the cash cow back under Monty's foot?

(not that he should have given it up in the first place. Make a contract for one season, see what people think, then you have them over a barrel if it's a hit and can make more demands)

bdbdb3 No.35760

>>35759

Truthfully, I don't know. IIRC, From Shane's accounting, Sheena is the one who gets fucked sideways after Monty's death. it seemed that as soon as Monty died, MK wanted to take it and make it become their thing, while Shane and Sheena wanted to stay by Monty's vision, Sheena actually knew what plot points Monty wanted in RWBY by being with him as he animated all night, talking about RWBY as he did so.

cb3bc3 No.35762

>>35760

And even then, we have conflicting reports of RT hating Sheena like poison long before Monty's death.

Either because she had him wrapped around her finger, was treating him like shit, and/or whispering in his ear to get the show back under his control or force a "Do X or I walk" deal.

Anyway, there's another thread for the details of that.

bdbdb3 No.35763

>>35762

This is where two narrative collide and I don't know which one is closer to reality.

Shane was airtight with Monty and the crew. and from his account, Sheena was someone who loved Monty and RWBY, and RT treated her like dirt.

The 8chan thread put the narrative out that Sheena treated him like shit and as soon as the burial was done, took the money and ran.

it's overemotional man talking about his mentor's life vs Anons who make a narrative out of what they can see.

b98b15 No.35809

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>>35678

And he did one more.

Technically should be in the How To Fix RWBY thread, but I figured putting his work here with the rest would be better.

In short, he says Monty's Rule of Cool still follows storytelling. I.e. offers exposition and lorebuilding. Albeit- sometimes characters do shit in a moment of "cool" they never do later (like Ren's pressure point fighting)