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File: 9533d134561d5d3⋯.mp4 (9.89 MB, 640x360, 16:9, tfw no cultura.mp4)

 No.17327

Define European Pagan culture in contrast to European Christian culture.

 No.17345

One of them is pagan, the other is pagan and admits it


 No.17361

>>17345

>le christianity is bagan :DDD

Or, maybe, just maybe, your version of paganism is christian.


 No.17364

>>17361

Get out Christkike your religion was built on traditions it stole from the pagans they conquered and past pagans as a way to ease the people into your kikedom rule.


 No.17366

File: 407eb2d46bd7141⋯.jpg (169.79 KB, 680x1156, 10:17, 407eb2d46bd7141740c08f4c04….jpg)

>>17364

>unironically using Christkike

>he doesn't know that 'kike' was a slur given to jews because they hate Christ

Laughing at your LARPing ass


 No.17368

File: 2f552de7c489935⋯.png (129.87 KB, 881x703, 881:703, 1407697796325.png)


 No.17369

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 No.17370

>>17368

Reminder, Jesus wasn't White and Christians don't really support Aryan dominance.


 No.17371

File: 2aea9940e742537⋯.jpg (36.64 KB, 398x483, 398:483, 11e.jpg)

>>17370

>Jesus wasn't White

No, jesus was an alien.


 No.17373

File: f511ed32790abc3⋯.jpg (31.49 KB, 537x356, 537:356, caesar.jpg)


 No.17374

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Jesus Chases The Money Changers Out of The Temple.


 No.17375

File: fd0034afe0ee726⋯.jpg (49.51 KB, 850x400, 17:8, christian.jpg)

>>17370

Here you go buddy!


 No.17378

>>17366

You are a kike cult, different sects are known to hate each other so it doesn't matter where the term came from it doesn't change the fact you are a jew. It also doesn't change the fact that your traditions were stolen from paganism.


 No.17380

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>>17378

t. jew


 No.17381

File: f0da248b6d1086b⋯.png (21.86 KB, 574x127, 574:127, 152928244235919417.png)

>>17380

>Wrong video. It wont let me delete atm.


 No.17382

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>17378

>correct video

t. jew


 No.17383

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>17375

Here you go buddy!


 No.17385

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>>17383

Here you go buddy!


 No.17386

File: 6026688ebfb186a⋯.jpg (42.02 KB, 568x335, 568:335, 17s8iz.jpg)

>>17383

IDGAF famalam. Here take this random historical quote and suck on it.


 No.17387

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>>17385

Here you go buddy!


 No.17393

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>>17387

Here you go buddy!


 No.17396

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>>17393

Here you go buddy!


 No.17397

File: c552423385c7229⋯.jpg (49.07 KB, 850x400, 17:8, 1461844591370-2.jpg)

File: d59be81675b5cb5⋯.png (126.14 KB, 551x532, 29:28, Hitler - Christians.png)

Reminder that Jerusalem should be made permanently inhabitable.


 No.17398


 No.17400

File: 4841de3822c2e47⋯.png (74.11 KB, 646x226, 323:113, eurovision.png)


 No.17401

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 No.17411

So what's the deal with all the pro-kike shitposting here? I mostly just lurk here but does this board even have mods?


 No.17413

File: 598299e6fd6c1f3⋯.jpg (56.42 KB, 331x402, 331:402, 1401962974459.jpg)


 No.17414

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 No.17415

File: 1b3ae7e9a09118a⋯.jpg (61.18 KB, 677x775, 677:775, vorg.jpg)

>>17414

>everything I like about catholics is pagan and good

>everything I don't like about catholics is jewish and bad


 No.17416

File: a3a6a56e1b62a82⋯.jpg (57.07 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 163e4w.jpg)


 No.17417

>>17416

But didn't he said christians are pagan? That means the churches are pagan too.


 No.17418

File: 147c2a708e6242f⋯.gif (993.17 KB, 200x200, 1:1, giphy.gif)


 No.17421

>>17417

Carholics are p fucking pagan. You can find countless examples of mary jane and shrooms in early christian art, they have all the spooky rituals and incense burning and spiritworking/banishing and prayers to various lesser gods saints for worldly gain or protection, etc. An old anthropology professor of mine showed our class photos he took in the vatican of shrooms all over their art, he said the officials aren't keen on it and like to hurry people along heh


 No.17442

>>17421

>test

<test

TEST

Test


 No.17483

>>17421

It doesn't really matter since at their core is jewish tradition, which for them triumphs over their ancestral traditions. Overtime their Roman religious traditions degrade as in other tribes into nothing but implicit Atheism where their everything in one forces its followers to give up their own judgement.


 No.17586

File: 9c886eaa0518572⋯.jpg (112.24 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, jesus.jpg)

>>17483

> jewish tradition

Jews hate jesus.


 No.17587

>>17586

And Jesus was a Jew. Jew. As in a Kike. Not White.


 No.17588

>>17586

Jews hate Muhammad too, am I supposed to give a shit? Theyre just jealous that another Jew managed to trick the goyim even more than them


 No.17589

File: c7a31fc9730de0b⋯.jpg (326.05 KB, 910x1236, 455:618, FT270.jpg)

>>17587

> Jesus was a Jew. Jew.

Nope! He as an ayyy lmao!


 No.17590

File: eb55a1d99f20305⋯.jpg (512.46 KB, 2005x1221, 2005:1221, eb55a1d99f203057fb431d9495….jpg)

File: e2c3951cb0a34ef⋯.webm (8.26 MB, 640x360, 16:9, The Talmud on JC.webm)

>>17587

>The word kike was born on Ellis Island when there were Jewish migrants who were also illiterate (or could not use Latin alphabet letters). When asked to sign the entry-forms with the customary "X", the Jewish immigrants would refuse, because they associated an X with the cross of Christianity. Instead, they drew a circle as the signature on the entry-forms. The Yiddish word for "circle" is kikel (/ˈkaɪkəl/ KY-kəl), and for "little circle", kikeleh (/ˈkaɪkələ/ KY-kə-lə). Before long the immigration inspectors were calling anyone who signed with an "O" in place of an "X" a kikel or kikeleh or kikee or, finally and succinctly, kike.

>>17588

Wrong. They don't care about him. Muhammad is not in their Talmud.

Jews hate christians more than they hate pagans.


 No.17591

>>17590

>Jews hate christians more than they hate pagans.

wrong, they only hate you because they think youre secretly pagans. They consider Christianity a successor to Rome, and the religion of the Edomites. They were at war with pagan Aryans long before Christianity even existed.


 No.17592

File: 1030dfd2d498cb3⋯.jpg (91.18 KB, 480x640, 3:4, 1030dfd2d498cb319cc4946b44….jpg)

>>17591

>wrong

>let me tell you how I feel about the situation

Give sources for the bullshit you make up.

My source is the Talmud, the most important book to the jews. Watch the webm.

It's like you guys love to stay ignorant because the reality could shatter your fragile worldview.


 No.17595

File: f856dd21abf2607⋯.png (531.4 KB, 1059x805, 1059:805, Rome_Edom.png)

>>17592

Can't find the sources that I remember reading this from, have a screencap from a Jewish website instead.

Yes I know, Jesus in a pot of shit. They say this about literally all of their enemies, they claimed Baal was literally a shit god and that his followers were nothing but flies attracted to his poop idol. Because Jews are depraved and obsessed with shit, its nothing revolutionary. Is Baal now based? No, he is just another Semitic deity that the Jews disliked because he was viewed as a rival, just like your Jesus.

>Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Neat, as a war-god worshiper I like it.

<Put away your sword! For those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.

Welp, nvm, you lost me there Jesus. I guess it makes sense that Christians like to cherrypick their religion, considering half it contradicts the other half.


 No.17596

File: a9636ec305db059⋯.jpg (20.13 KB, 320x380, 16:19, Pape_avignon_benoit13.jpg)

>>17592

>>wow goys why haven't you read this jewish text showing you how jews hate Jesus

>>doesn't it make sense to you, some jew wrote this attack and that's why Christ is right

>>because this tribe, of whom I base my entire worldview upon hasn't denounced you the same way, means your beliefs are wrong

>>lol pagan reality is so fragile

Its because I don't larp as a jew. You'd think in all the years Christians have known about what jews think about them they'd do something about it? But no, all I can ever find is some individuals killing a yid and the state or church condemning the action, even in their day, or letting the yids leave, to come back later. The jews have crucified white kids and only the perpetrators were executed, the Christian state then laid nothing upon the whole group of jews. This is when you had all the white people Christian, what did you do with it? Where was state mandated, "you Christ killers are going into the ground"?

Knowing about jews hasn't led any Christian Nation to kill off the jew menace in any great way. Instead, where ever Christians go they just jew up the place for their coming jew puppet master to be able to live in comfort, this is the reality of your history. You require the history outlined in the Old Testament to be your own history, forgo any thoughts your actual forefathers had. Christians of Europe were only able to conqueror other races because historically they were White, before Christianity Whites did it the same way but at least then Whites did it for their family and folk.

Its really easy to show you I'm correct. Go to your church congregation and say "I heard these pagans hate Jesus" and you'll hear vitriol. Then try again and say "I heard these jews hate Jesus" and you'll instead hear excuses. There have been Christians woke to the jew over the centuries and the best they ever do is have a congregation of jews killed. But oh are these killings heard about and denounced when their actual effect upon the jewish community is actually to its benefit.

Look at Anti-pope Benedict XIII, excommunicated, what does that mean to Jesus again? All he decreed was that jewish goldsmiths cannot produce chalices and crucifixes or bind books with the name Jesus or Mary in it, truly anti-Semitic. Christians losing to jews over 600 years ago, man if only the population of Europe was Christian then, oh right it was.


 No.17597

File: 135e9684cc610ba⋯.jpg (2.93 MB, 3168x2376, 4:3, Apsis_mosaic,_Santa_Pudenz….JPG)

>>17373

Yeah, don't mind this depiction of Jesus from 5th century, and continiue to believe your myth


 No.17603

>>17592

are you really giving up already anon?


 No.17606

>>17597

>>Santa Pudenziana

>>"During these last restorations some fragments of a Laocoön group were found that were larger than those in the Vatican. As no one was willing to pay extra for this find, they filled up the hole in the ground. These fragments were never recovered."

Good going there slave to jews, throw your actual ancient culture down a hole never to be recovered for the one promised by jews.


 No.17615

File: 5e2728ebf327660⋯.png (1.86 MB, 1557x1498, 1557:1498, 1530247554471.png)

>>17370

Whatever shlomo.


 No.17616

File: d628852250ec321⋯.jpg (116.53 KB, 600x481, 600:481, jesus-whip.jpg)

File: 5161846c959b5f0⋯.jpg (64.14 KB, 540x386, 270:193, cK7Fr86.jpg)


 No.17618

>>17616

>Jesus advocates beating people up and solving problems with violence

As much as Christians wish this is true, it isn't.


 No.17619

File: 1dc340af4181568⋯.jpg (319.59 KB, 1698x605, 1698:605, 1530246347110.jpg)

>>17618

Sup shlomo?


 No.17620

File: 2e4919e47c03a43⋯.jpg (86.33 KB, 572x710, 286:355, c109c247f54e3f453e19fa7df4….jpg)

>>17618

>it isn't

It is.


 No.17622

>>17619

>shlomo

That's your god, not me.


 No.17623

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File: d58536ab3ba864e⋯.jpeg (254 KB, 1290x860, 3:2, d58.jpeg)

>>17622

>not me

You're not my god, shlomo.


 No.17624

File: eb64bc3fa8af46a⋯.jpg (76.49 KB, 427x551, 427:551, 6451782f6e1a61d2cf0d6729d3….jpg)

>>17623

But I am, goy!


 No.17625

File: d55105bbf398074⋯.jpg (233.09 KB, 830x1062, 415:531, d55.jpg)


 No.17626

>>17625

kek i like how you can tell when christians have lost an argument, notice that once this >>17592

poster gets thrashed it just turns into a baby crying contest on the christians part. pathetic.


 No.17627

>>17626

That wasn't an argument lost. That was a meme exchange.


 No.17628

File: 25adf91611f7b84⋯.gif (352.87 KB, 500x357, 500:357, 25adf91611f7b84d0e96444dc2….gif)

>>17625

LMAO

>tell a christkike that his god is a Jew

>proceeds to post cartoon horses


 No.17629

>>17628

I was pretty sure that poster called them self a jew and said that they were god.


 No.17630

>>17624

You're a dirty kike and are claiming that you're god? Calling me a goy?


 No.17631

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

 No.17632

>>17615

>>Christians have known for centuries what jews think of Jesus

>>then proceed to do absolutely nothing with the knowledge

Also the jews hating Jesus doesn't show he's White, because wasn't his immaculation by your so called creator of man? So in that way his race could have been anything because to your creator there is no race since all the different peoples of world can be saved since they are derived from one, are still one and can go back into one.


 No.17633

>>17615

>The Levant was ever White

WE

WUZ

KANGZ


 No.17634

File: 593599de100dce4⋯.jpeg (60.62 KB, 484x700, 121:175, jesus-LSD-82406144563.jpeg)

>>17633

Where's it say anything about the levant being white?

hmm… I don't seem to see that in that condensed info image.


 No.17635

File: 25f7f8bf4f366a6⋯.png (818.81 KB, 1600x1237, 1600:1237, brainwash.png)

>>17632

>>>Christians have known for centuries what jews think of Jesus

Not all of them.

>>>then proceed to do absolutely nothing with the knowledge

Depends on the person and if they are #woke or not.


 No.17636

>>17634

>He's not ashamed of worshipping a Sandnigger


 No.17637

File: 327526efcb8cb5b⋯.jpg (105.03 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, no.jpg)


 No.17719

For Gods’ fucking sake, time after fucking time you faggots fall for the Christian bait. Fact of the matter is, whether Christianity is hated by the Jews or used by the Jews as a plot to destroy us is meaningless. So what Jews hate Jesus? They hate anyone who calls them out on their bullshit, especially if it’s one of their own. In the end, it doesn’t matter. This board is for pagan discussion and inquiry, and the fact it quickly became and has stayed a place for Christian children (whether literal or mental) to come and try to convert and rile up a bunch of insecure pagans shows me just how far the Volkisch faith is from her people.

Protip: if some Christian comes around here saying “you’re cucked bray to Yeshua :D”, ignore the faggot or report them.


 No.17720

>>17719

>>report them

Such an act would have more purpose if the King of this here Thing would defend the land he has carved out here or entrust lieutenants to carry out his will made manifest or abdicate so a truer king might be found.


 No.17739

File: 29cbdc15a8d5f53⋯.jpg (58.04 KB, 390x627, 130:209, closeup.jpg)

>>17719

they're butthurt 'cause I troll (((/shitstain/))) for keks and (you)'s when I get bored sometimes

Varg's face alone is enough to get 10 salty (you)'s in the middle of the night. also I think the BO of (((/shitstain/))) is a dog-eating gook


 No.17741

File: febc3aa2af73349⋯.jpg (53.18 KB, 658x500, 329:250, febc3aa2af73349009f81528e3….jpg)

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>>17637

That's a good point, my counter question is why the Fuck do you cunts worship him like a god if he is not one? And please, answer for every sect. Don't ignore the wild delusions of your religious brethren.


 No.17754

>>17637

I thought a key part of being Christian is believing jesus was the son of god i.e. god


 No.17755

File: af3991eac9cb6e7⋯.jpg (248.03 KB, 960x960, 1:1, 31028.jpg)

>>17741

>>17741

>why the Fuck do you cunts worship him like a god if he is not one?

I don't and jesus asks you not to worship him.

>answer for every sect

gr8 b8 m8


 No.17758

File: debdc3a7615ccb6⋯.jpg (114.43 KB, 597x624, 199:208, Judiams and satanism .jpg)

File: 89420ed3d3bd88a⋯.jpeg (1.48 MB, 1838x2775, 1838:2775, jew nazis 1.jpeg)

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>>17719

>This board is for pagan discussion and inquiry, and the fact it quickly became and has stayed a place for Christian children (whether literal or mental) to come and try to convert and rile up a bunch of insecure pagans shows me just how far the Volkisch faith is from her people.

You reap what you sow.

>>17739

>they so mad, look at them shit our board, we won guys!

Also Varg is not a white supremest, https://hooktube.com/watch?v=moN67R7Vew0.

>>17741

1st pic willful ignorance of the trinity https://hooktube.com/watch?v=p8yuDXJB9BI as well as forcing the strawman that God wants to burn everyone in hell.

2nd pic You could also do that with the jews on Hitler's solders. and the connections of Satanism and pangaism. you can never be jew free.

3rd pic that's willfully ignorant of how allegorical the bible is, it's about using public shame as a weapon. Christianity allows you to use arms to defend yourself, that is why the defensive crusades were just.


 No.17762

>>17327

>Define European Pagan culture in contrast to European Christian culture.

Remove everything explicitly biblical and the thing that remains is Christian.

Enjoy ending up with nothing.


 No.17766

>>17755

"But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” - Jesus

http://biblehub.com/luke/19-27.htm


 No.17770

>>17758

>he believes in multiracial societies.


 No.17774

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>17766

Sup. I knew we were going to be here a while.

>>17754

Short answer is no.


 No.17775

File: e14af8278cf6adb⋯.jpg (19.06 KB, 300x422, 150:211, Bill_Hicks_image1.jpg)

>>17774

I'll respond back. Just give me a bit.


 No.17776

File: b407041011c0682⋯.jpg (59.52 KB, 554x595, 554:595, jesus turned tables.jpg)

File: 037e06fb11f4c7b⋯.png (8.87 KB, 634x94, 317:47, truth.png)

File: b35637cac22b1ef⋯.png (44.87 KB, 507x101, 507:101, cheek.png)

>>17766

God damn. I need a smoke. Jesus was not a turn the other cheek kind of guy.


 No.17777

>>17776

Everyone fights, it is all a matter of what you are fighting for, or who. Expending men to die in a desert to just allow yourself to give up the land you've taken by force shows to me the who. Allowing an international clique of cosmopolitans to roam and rule your land and simply telling them to leave upon a mess up so to come back in your children's time tells me the who.

>>17766

I don't just read that as "Hur pagans gonna get slaughtered", I read it as "your idols will be toppled and reigned over" and Christianity sees race as idol worship and not just in this century.


 No.17783

File: 29b1c406a936fdc⋯.jpg (171.98 KB, 720x511, 720:511, pegan.jpg)

>>17417

>Christians are pagan

Yes.


 No.17784

File: 02b97909acb6894⋯.jpg (143.83 KB, 447x447, 1:1, most.jpg)

File: 15174ab748cd7af⋯.jpg (49.82 KB, 608x433, 608:433, wwjd-whip.jpg)

File: bd9d758e4287837⋯.jpg (44.19 KB, 640x360, 16:9, Freedom-of-speech-Voltaire.jpg)

>>17777

Wtf are you talking about?


 No.17788

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>>17636

>calling an ayyy lmao a sandnigger

u wut m8?


 No.17789

File: 1fa57a13220d9ae⋯.jpg (353.59 KB, 1500x1051, 1500:1051, WiseMen_Front.jpg)

File: d19edb9bf2deb4c⋯.jpg (65.4 KB, 560x371, 80:53, death.jpg)

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 No.17860

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>>17758

>1st pic willful ignorance of the trinity

So your cherry picked interpretation is greater than all other interpretations? Interesting, but I think your spiritual brethren will disagree greatly with you. That isn't even including the diests

>2nd pic You could also do that with the jews on Hitler's solders. and the connections of Satanism and pangaism. you can never be jew free.

The irony is that Christ is a Jew himself, born from Jewish mother, went to temple, worshipped the Jew's god, advocate Jewish prophets. Next find me a single page in the whole of the Bible that does not mention anything Jewish. At least as a heathen, at least pagans, are open and honest.

>3rd pic that's willfully ignorant of how allegorical the bible is, it's about using public shame as a weapon. Christianity allows you to use arms to defend yourself, that is why the defensive crusades were just.

The Crusades were just only inasmuch that the clergy agreed with human nature. Otherwise it's weakness preached and spread. Regardless if your interpretation considers your Jewish book allegorical or not, it is still sorely responsible for the world today

hristianity, since it was the slaves' religion from the start; it virtues cowardice, denouncing what they (the slaves) wanted but were too weak to fight for while praising what they didn't want but had anyways.

Sexlessness = purity

Weakness = goodness

Submission to people on hates = obedience

Not being able to take revenge = forgiveness.

Just to name a few and trust me, there are more. So now, imagine these ideals leaking into the public, into the military and, finally, into the government. Changing strength to weakness, desire into "deny yourself," , changing slaves into citizens, opening borders, et cetera, et cetera. Suddenly the hard, holy Empire became soft and weak leaving it open to the whims of fate.

>first pic

So your god has a penis?

>2nd pic

What's your point?

>3rd pic

Once again cherry-picked. Regardless of how the theologians who invented your religion wrote your Bible, it has a new meaning now and should be taken at it's word as presented. We heathens do not (at least I do not) do otherwise, we expect the same of our misguided cousins

>>17755

>I don't and jesus asks you not to worship him.

Then why in in the earlier new testament does he get angry at a mother who asks her daughter, who is wooing at his feet, to help does he say, "she has chosen the good part." Or when he forever curses a tree to death because it dared to not bear fruit just for him. Or how he is the ultimate key which saves you from eternal torture and nothing else suffices.

>g8 b8 m8

>tfw you can't defend your beliefs when someone else's interpretation comes into play

With how easily the bible is, as you purists might say, corrupted, what makes your ideas superior to every other christian in history? You know when i was schooled and asked things like write book reports or to examine poetry, i had no one (not my gods, not my teacher, not my friends, not even an invisible bearded jew in the sky) tell me any answer. I was expected, as a human, as all students are, to examine the piece of work before me, absorb it and reply in an educational form all that i learned from it, whether it be questioning or a simple report. To do this i would have to read the entiretyof the piece of work. Why? Well, in the case of poetry, one line does not reveal the writer's thoughts nor, in a book, does a single chapter (or verse or phrase) reveal the whole story or message or idea (there is more than one type of book and more than one translation of the Bible after all). When i come across something i don't understand, i read further into it, going back pages, if i must. And sometimes, yes, i must google stuff, everyone needs to look things up and double reference sometimes and you are a liar if you say otherwise. So please, before you keep droningon about how i, being so uneducated and idiototic and savage, need people to tell me my educated opinions and life experiences are wrong. I mean it's not like ive gone through high school and college doing shit like this. And with the idea of googling bible verses, you do realize most likely the reasults are christians defending fervently even the most cruelest action recorded in the bible.


 No.17862

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>>17860

>So your cherry picked interpretation is greater than all other interpretations?

>your spiritual brethren will disagree greatly with you. That isn't even including the diests=

Of course people who aren't Christian won't agree with the trinity, that doesn't make them right about Christianity. Islam believes that Jesus will come back to abolish Christianity. You're the one cherry picking for any answer that is self serving enough.

>The irony is that Christ is a Jew himself

Play by your own rules, if you dismiss Jesus because he started as a Jew, then you must dismiss everything else that has Jewish influenced, including Nazi Germany and belief systems that hold obvious satanic influences.

>The Crusades were just only inasmuch that the clergy agreed with human nature

Whatever pagan value you're forcing here, Christianity allows for self defense and protection of the weak. If your wife is about to get raped, you would be within your right to defend yourself. That is not submission to your enemy.

>Otherwise it's weakness preached and spread.

The picture is ignorantly missing the point, you're not literally suppose to expose your ass, it's about public humiliation not giving up fighting.

>Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

>Regardless if your interpretation considers your Jewish book allegorical or not, it is still sorely responsible for the world today

What a thing to say, there are soo many religious sects, so many political groups, to blame Christianity has the root cause - especially when it's against the world - is laughable.

>the slaves' religion

Friedrich Nietzsche was controlled by freemasonry.

>Weakness = goodness

>Not being able to take revenge = forgiveness.

Christians are taught not be worldly niggers.

>Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world

>So your god has a penis?

It's not a horned tranny.

>Once again cherry-picked. Regardless of how the theologians who invented your religion wrote your Bible

It's comical how you feel the need to handwave the correct explanation by people who studied it, for your face value perspective. I'm surprised you haven't told me that Jesus is Horus.

>it has a new meaning now and should be taken at it's word as presented. We heathens do not (at least I do not) do otherwise, we expect the same of our misguided cousins

learn2allegory.

If you're going to criticize the Region don't just get your info from outdated /pol/ memes.


 No.17864

>>17862

How proud of your half-Nigger grandson are you?


 No.17874

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>>17862

>if you dismiss Jesus because he started as a Jew, then you must dismiss everything else that has Jewish influenced, including Nazi Germany

stopped reading there


 No.17879

>>17758

>>you can never be jew free.

Says you. Once the jew's are wiped out entirely by the force of the hammer then Christianity will slowly dry up as nobody will care to learn Hebrew anymore because it'll be a dead language of a dead people. Once nobody cares to delve into the "true" meaning of the Torah for guidance then the Gospels will lose their hold on my race unable to stand on their own.

Christians have protected jews for so long because they understand they need jews or their entire faith will collapse. Lambast me for understanding this but its why Christians brought jews under their own fold instead of letting them be taken in the desert.


 No.17880

>>17758

that third picture is such horseshit. jesus didnt fight "smartly", he got nailed to a cross you fucking retarded faggot. how is flipping tables over and whipping people fighting smartly anyways?

the fuck do the first two pics have to do with anything anyways?

>allegory

its allegory when you want it to be, its absolute truth when you dont. pick one faggot.

doesnt change that your religion is self-contradicting as all fucking hell.

>Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.

<Think not that I have come bringing peace, for I come bearing a sword.

are you smart pacifist faggots who "fight smart" or are you le badass ebin crusaders? make up your fucking mind already

>connections of satanism and paganism

oh, this is what the first picture is about. You realize baphomet is probably not even real right? He was made up by the french king to accuse the templars (lol your badass ebin crusaders were satanists, isnt that fucking hilarious) of heresy, and some jew named eliphas levi is the one who drew pictures of it as a weirdo trannie demon deity. has fuckall to do with paganism, you must be literally fucking retarded to even make these kinds of connections, youre that weird pro-israeli norwegian guy thats like 70 years old and yet he posts christcuck bullshit on pol in attempt to D&C arent you? your willingness to defend jews is hinting towards this

>le hitlers jewish soldiers

yeah and the nazis lost, because they werent hard enough.


 No.17886

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>>17862

>Of course people who aren't Christian won't agree with the trinity

There are Christians who do not agree with the Trinity. Good to see that Christians are forever separated.

>you must dismiss everything else that has Jewish influenced, including Nazi Germany and belief systems that hold obvious satanic influences.

Please explain, in full, how Nazi Germany was created, in the same way the Semitic religions were, by jews. And how Satan equates with jews, since they themselves believe an evil which opposes your god.

>Whatever pagan value you're forcing here

I'm not forcing a thing

>Christianity allows for self defense and protection of the weak. If your wife is about to get raped, you would be within your right to defend yourself. That is not submission to your enemy.

"Resist not evil," "turn the other cheek," "the meek shall inherit the earth."

I wait with baited breath how you'll try to twist these to suit your warped reality

>, to blame Christianity has the root cause - especially when it's against the world - is laughable.

All the groups which only slightly differ from yours would be nonexistent if not for Christianity. Therefore it is the root cause. At least we heathens will accept responsibility for the actions and beliefs of our spiritual brethren. Be it a cult of Typhon or Hel's inner circle, Ravana's vanguard or Loki's children.

>>the slaves' religion

In that it's first major followers were the Roman slaves. I see that your also uneducated in Christian history.

>nietchze was controlled by Freemasons

Is this supposed to mean something?

>Christians are taught not be worldly niggers.

Then how is it you all have become no better than niggers?

>Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world

Only Christians hold disdain for the divine in life and would call this wondrous reality a sinful test. Return to the dust, hopeless one, you have given nothing to it.

>learn2allegory

Meaning > intent

>>17874

Citation needed, knave


 No.17920

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Wow, four posts and none can answer my question, If you're trying to be free of jews why does Nazi Germany and satanism get a free pass?

>>17874

You don't have an answer because it's a clear contradiction, you cannot be Jew free and support a Satanism spin off or a Nazi Germany.

>>17886

wow, dude, if you get this dramatic over a forum post then why even bother replying. At least be right with your emotionally charged words or refute my main point.

>i won't accept the theologist's meaning of the bible

>I believe that Christians hate the divine and see life a sin test.

>Catholicsm

>social conservatism working with a liberalization philosophy

>>nietchze was controlled by Freemasons

>Is this supposed to mean something?

This is becoming a pattern, Why does Jewish Satanism get a free pass? Freemasonry is a Jewish institution, why not treat it like the other Jewish institutions?

>>17880

>jesus didnt fight "smartly", he got nailed to a cross

This is exactly what the Jews believe, this is why they rejected him.

>Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.

This is about humanity being recklessly violent

>Think not that I have come bringing peace, for I come bearing a sword.

This is about division against those who oppose God and about the apocalypse.

>You realize baphomet is probably not even real right?

In the same way that Moloch doesn't exist.

>the french king to accuse the templars (lol your badass ebin crusaders were satanists

That is what i though before i found that freemasons stole the identity of the Templars in the 1700s, the mystery religions often lie. http://archive.is/jxrRI

>>17874

>>17886

>Citation needed, knave

Try reading the thread.


 No.17925

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>>17920

>four posts and none can answer my question

>If you're trying to be free of jews why does Nazi Germany and satanism get a free pass?

You're not given an answer because you've given no respectful proof. Merely stating a fact and then to turn around to say "lol I'm right without proof because you can't refute my claims" only reveals the lows you christians will go, how willfully you twist the world around you to fit your warped perspectives. You don't see me strutting a dance of victory because you decided to ignore my (as you call it) "emotional" arguments.

To answer this question specifically however:

1) satanism is given as much as a pass as Christianity or Judaism or islam because it is equally semetic as they are. In the same we humor your opinions and faith, we give the same doubting benefit to the others albeit begrudgingly. In short, it's all the same.

2) how was National Solcialist Germany controlled or influenced by jews? I fail how to see how a state, whose very laws isolated and removed the rights of a group of people, even deporting them and making them actually work for once in labor camps, be influenced and controlled by said group of people? Is you're next line Hitler was jewish, ya know?

>Why does Jewish Satanism get a free pass?

When did i say it got a free pass? how does freemasonry equate to evil when it revovles around semetic mysticism, generally being around your head diety (the good one in the sky)? What proof is there of Nietzsche's connection or involvement with this group? Was Kant one of them, or Lao Tzu, maybe Pythagoras as well?

>Freemasonry is a Jewish institution, why not treat it like the other Jewish institutions?

It is older than Judaism, if the history surrounding it is to be believed. It wasnt until recent centuries that it turned semetic.

For example the masons claim to be the builders of the pyramids of Egypt. Jews also claim this feat in their torah and your bible, yet history 100% refutes this fiction. Do you really trust jews when they steal valor?

For someone who comes here to make such silly claims that if it has even a little of jewish influence it should be regarded as evil and avoided, will in thesame breath expound support for jewish influence. Open your bible, what do you find? Jewish folklore, jewish heroes, jewish mythos, jewish ethics and morals, jewish ancestries, and jewish history and places. There exists no single page which is free of a reference to something jewish. So, my question is this: if you wish to be free of jewish influence; why are you a christian?


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>>17920

Friedrich Nietzsche wasn't a Freemason he was apart of the The New Student Association's Nordic Festival from the curriculum of Lundbye, Skovgaard, Frølich which men also like Wagner gained inspiration and anti-semitism from. It was the beginning of the revival, decreed by King Christian VIII of Denmark, as a show to the liberals, stated "Our mythology should be taught before that of the Greeks", from Kingly decree our work to know the Aesir began again. Before Christian VIII's death he visited the first festival along with N.F.S. Grundtvig.

>>""There were candlesticks and good food on the tables, singalongs at dinner, giant wall decorations and special guests like pastor and hymn writer N.F.S. Grundtvig, who is also deeply interested in common Nordic history and Nordic culture. According to the newspaper, The Fatherland, the speeches were good, and undoubtedly the food and beer were excellent, but what made the event noteworthy was the decoration. At this party, a popular visual representation of the Nordic Viking was quite literally created."

Now who was Christian VIII? He started his reign as the King of both Norway and Denmark but due to incompetent advisors lost his holdings in Norway to Charles XIII&II of Norway and Sweden. Now who was Charles XIII&II? He was a libertine and a Freemason and from then on all of Sweden's Kings have been associated with Freemasonry. As well he even may have been apart of the assassination of Gustav III. Gustav III and Christian VIII despised liberal reforms on the Kings powers and the enforcing of more and more advisory positions within the royal court. Two years after attending the festival Christian VIII died under strange circumstances due to blood poisoning.

Freemasonry wants to eliminate knowledge of the Aesir. So yes I see Freemasons as only another sect of Judaism and an enemy. How could you not despise everything of jewishness and know the Aesir? (((They))) have spent centuries slowly whittling away any of our own stories and identity and now they are after the last thing we hold still, our own biological race. I'd raze all of their tabernacles.

>>you cannot be Jew free and support Nazi Germany.

Hitler's Germany was that of a King leading his people to victory the same as Barbossa or Hengist.

>>17925

Freemasonry is an arm of the jew, from my example above. Many unsuspecting kings have died by their methods, if they get out of the jew's control. The so called "royalty" across Europe now is weak in the blood, duels and wills to power shall solve this problem, just as before.


 No.17927

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>>17925

>You don't see me strutting a dance of victory because you decided to ignore my (as you call it) "emotional" arguments.

Proclaiming that question wasn't a dance of victory, i didn't want to lose the point of what i was asking. My main goal is understanding.

>satanism is given as much as a pass as Christianity or Judaism or islam because it is equally semetic as they are.

>In short, it's all the same.

Satanism is much deeper then just the religion (or i should say the entity worshiped by Satanists regardless if they're theistic or atheistic ones), Mormonism can be satanic because it teaches you human godhood, despite pretending to be Christian.

>how was National Solcialist Germany controlled or influenced by jews?

Hitler had Jewish Soldiers, and he had Jews in his courts, when he was rising into power. He also referenced the ((New World Order)). This is just speculation but It's also really hard to believe that Hitler wasn't used to criminalize future national socialist movements, similar to Isis for muslims. Also he was in the eye of the global public, nearly everyone in history has been controlled. The Jews gain power from their victimization.

>What proof is there of Nietzsche's connection or involvement with this group?

Because of the symbolism of the hidden hand and the oblong square shape of his feet, which is how Freemasons identify themselves. I can post better evidence of this in another post.

>But it was the style back then

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand-in-waistcoat

Yes, but that was 50 years after the time when secret sects (influencing freemasonry) became popular in the 1700s.

>Was Kant one of them, or Lao Tzu, maybe Pythagoras as well?

If they were purposely photographed that way it's very possible, The people in power pose in very specific ways, they often use the same symbols as before. Anyways the point of this was that you said Christianity is the salve religion. That idea comes from Nietzesche who is clearly a Freemason. Regarding 'slave religion' It's easy to see it's defensive stance on certain issues, and ignore the spiritual side of it. Someone being alone defensive will look weak or destine to fail. The spiritual protection would be the part you don't see. Christians are working in the context of having the creator of universe on their side, that is why they can afford to be defensive.

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 No.17928

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>>17925

>It is older than Judaism, if the history surrounding it is to be believed. It wasnt until recent centuries that it turned semetic.

>For example the masons claim to be the builders of the pyramids of Egypt.

My previous example of how they stole the identity of the Templars should tell you something about their practiced secrecy. If you've read the Freemasonry hand book, their belief is a collage, Christianity, Judaism, and freemasonry are the same to them. Except that while believing they they're the same, they're also false metaphors for Pagan deities, Solom's temple never existed (and is a metaphor), Jesus is the Sun God to them ect. Also once they reach the top level they learn that the "god" or "architect of the Universe" is Lucifer, that why Baphomet is associated with them. I don't really trust the mystery religions very much, and not just because they're anti-christian, although they have some interesting claims, they're armed to the teeth in deception.

>Jews also claim this feat in their torah and your bible

The Bible does not explicitly state that the Israelites built pyramids (especially since pyramids is not used), even though Pre-Alexandrian Jews wouldn't have used the word pyramid at the time of the bible. The word "migdol" (Strong’s, H4024), this world translates to "tower" which could mean Monolith, obelisk or pyramid (it's also the same word used to describe the Tower of Babel. It could have also been a ziggurat, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Israelites made the pyramids.

>For someone who comes here to make such silly claims that if it has even a little of jewish influence it should be regarded as evil and avoided, will in thesame breath expound support for jewish influence.

Personally when i was discovering the Jewish power structure, i also found another power structure before it, but not a human one, more of an the entity the Jew's worship. So i my search to be free of influences of Judaism or Satanism, and i found that those two movements mark every movement on the planet, in either a blatant manner or hidden one. This is why i'm not a pagan. If you know the Messiah of Judaism, their G-d, you'll know they don't worship the same God as the Christians. It's has a male and female aspect, it's distinctly different.

>Open your bible, what do you find? Jewish folklore, jewish heroes, jewish mythos, jewish ethics and morals, jewish ancestries, and jewish history and places.

I understand your confusion, the difference, Christianity was meant to be a conclusion to Judaism, but jews rejected Jesus despite fulfilling the Tora, because he also changed it. What sets Christians apart from Jews is Christ. They don't believe in Christ was the messiah, or else they would be Christians. Their messiah is our spiritual enemy, their end game is our apocalypse. Yes it has Jewish influences, but so does everything else, if you count their Satanic god.

>if you wish to be free of jewish influence; why are you a christian?

I found that you can't be free of Jewish influence, they have almost transcended their slaves. If Christianity is against the god of the world (Satan) and the Jews, when you eliminate everything else by these true enemies, it's the only choice. Besides, this world is a battle for the soul, not flesh and blood.

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 No.17929

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>>17925

One last point, freemasonry is Jewish as well.


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>>17926

It's difficult to trust established History after 1700s because that is when this secret society networking started, and made a mess of historical identities. Suddenly many empires had a Freemason side to them, and that is just one secret society. While i welcomed your knowledge of history and acknowledge that it has weight to defending Nietzsche, the same could be said about John F. Kennedy, or Princess Diana, or Martin Luther King Jr. Used to send a message.

>Friedrich Nietzsche wasn't a Freemason he was apart of the The New Student Association's Nordic Festival from the curriculum of Lundbye, Skovgaard, Frølich which men also like Wagner gained inspiration and anti-semitism from.

He takes a photo like a Freemason. It's unfortunately not as simple as seeing who hates the jews, and who doesn't, there are conservative oriented figures that are controlled just like there are leftist, for example Ron Paul

>Freemasonry wants to eliminate knowledge of the Aesir.

Their belief system is basically misinformation and claiming the original that they're changing is a lie, they do this with Judiasm as well.

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that they play both sides.

>Hitler's Germany was that of a King leading his people to victory the same as Barbossa or Hengist.

It's possible i'm wrong about doubting Hitler, since i haven't been able to find him doing the hidden hand. however he makes certain references that have peculiarities. He was also really close the Vatican, I'm not trying to bash him, but he was surrounded by it.

>(((They))) have spent centuries slowly whittling away any of our own stories and identity and now they are after the last thing we hold still, our own biological race. I'd raze all of their tabernacles.

Norse mythology will always have it's own place.


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>>17927

>My main goal is understanding.

Benefit of doubt. But do mistake our willingness to listen and understand as acceptance. We hold self determination in high regard.

>Satanism is much deeper then just the religion

And Christianity is not? You speak of spiritual protection yet ignore it on the side of satanists, especially when you call your evil god the god of the world. At least the satanists try to free themselves of their precieved shackles rather than painting them gold. "Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven," so to speak.

>Mormonism can be satanic because it teaches you human godhood, despite pretending to be Christian.

Funny you mention Mormonism, it is one of the few sects of Christianity I actually respect, only for the reason you hate them for (they are pretty crazy in their own right); they recognize the divinity in man albeit paint it a Christian color, which is regrettable. We are the children of gods why is it so hard to fathom that we could rise to join them? This is why I am a heathen (ignoring personal experiences), the gods do not want sheep or worship. They want their children to join them, even to surpass them.

>Hitler had Jewish Soldiers, and he had Jews in his courts, when he was rising into power.

Hitler also had gays in his ranks. One in the SS, one the leader of the Sa. More still here and there. Does this mean the national socialists were fags or that they were purposefully influenced by fags? They had laws barring them, too.

>This is just speculation but It's also really hard to believe that Hitler wasn't used to criminalize future national socialist movements, similar to Isis for muslims

National socialism is not a religion, interpretation is difficult. While it can be an umbrella term and looped in with fascism, the two are not the same. If you change something in a religious beliefs, you start a sect. If you change a political idea, a new political system is born.

>Because of the symbolism of the hidden hand

This was a practice from the ancient Greek democracies. It was a sign of wisdom and having something important to say. I cannot see that just because a secret society adopted this practice it is solely theirs.

> the oblong square shape of his feet, which is how Freemasons identify themselves

I hope you are not insinuating that Freemasons are a unique race

>If they were purposely photographed that way it's very possible

This is why I find your argument lacking. If I were to purposefully photograph myself in this posture would I become a Freemason as well? I could surely use the money and power.

>Anyways the point of this was that you said Christianity is the salve religion. That idea comes from Nietzesche

Actually, it comes from history. Saul of Tarsus is solely responsible for its spread. Before the nobles of Rome fell into Jewish pockets, it was the slaves who found it genuinely useful. Remember, Sexlessness = purity, Weakness = goodness, Submission to people one hates = obedience, Not being able to take revenge = forgiveness. After all, such reservations have lofty rewards after death, so they say. Nietzsche only propounded the idea.

>Christians are working in the context of having the creator of universe on their side, that is why they can afford to be defensive.

So you say, yet the basis of your religion, the Bible, says otherwise. Remember, resist not evil. Regardless of the personality mask you try to put on creation, everyone acts on their own a ND uniquely justifies their choices and actions.

>My previous example of how they stole the identity of the Templars should tell you something about their practiced secrecy

I could claim that the Templars, after seeing the faults of the Christian religion split from it to follow their own path, to start their own unique "pagan," faith. You only peddle this satanic Jew sect to structure pretext.

The Templar's had a golden head of a woman named Sofia, not a hermaphrodite goat thing made by Levi.


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>>17927

>f you've read the Freemasonry hand book, their belief is a collage, Christianity, Judaism, and freemasonry are the same to them.

It is the same. Both, Islam included, revolve around the worship of the god of Abraham.

>Also once they reach the top level they learn that the "god" or "architect of the Universe" is Lucifer, that why Baphomet is associated with them

I may not be an expert on this , but I can say with confidence that Lucifer and baphomet are not the same. How would we know know the highest secrets of this order and that what is out to the public is not a hoax to fool the masses? I hardly doubt a secret society, one that controls so much of the world would goose step so childishly to reveal the secrets of their power. You even said that they are armed to the teeth in deception. How do you know that you haven't fallen for their tricks?

>So i my search to be free of influences of Judaism or Satanism, and i found that those two movements mark every movement on the planet, in either a blatant manner or hidden one. This is why i'm not a pagan.

It is convenient that you don't show your work and that you did so in the rose tinted glasses of Christianity.

>you'll know they don't worship the same God as the Christians.

It's still the god of Abraham. The same one you worship

>I found that you can't be free of Jewish influence, they have almost transcended their slaves.

That's quite a defeatist attitude you have there, hopeless one. If you'd prefer Jewish influence to human ingenuity and power, why continue?

> Christianity is against the god of the world (Satan)

I don't understand the Christian hatred for life. Wouldn't the god of the world not only be responsible for the evil, but good as well? I feel a similar connection to the discordian Eris, in that she is the goddess of the chaotic universe, the interplay of order and disorder. Doing what she does purely for fun rather than to hurt or help.

>Besides, this world is a battle for the soul, not flesh and blood.

It matters not how strait the gate

How charged with punishment the scroll

You are the master of your fate

And the captain of your soul.

I can never understand the Christian notion that the next world is more important than this one. Truly it is a slave's religion: just be good, do as we say, and you'll get what's coming to you. A sales pitch from a slave master if ever I heard one.


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>>17860

Sup bitch niggah. I'm back. It's gunna take a bit for me to respond. BRB.


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>>17967

Just contemplating.


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>>17968

Think-n real deeply.


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>>17969

*clutching muh pearls*


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>>17970

>>17969

>>17968

>>17967

Whenever you're ready


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>>17971

…BUT MUH PEARLS!!!! THEY ARE PRECIOUS! >Not sure if I want to cast them.


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>>17972

>not even sure I want to cast them

Then don't


 No.17996

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>>17974

>Then don't

Thank you.


 No.18000

>>17933

>You speak of spiritual protection yet ignore it on the side of satanists

I'm very aware of this kind of opposition. The more blessed/holy one becomes, the more they become a target to "the world".

>especially when you call your evil god the god of the world

Satan is the god of the world, his kingdom is on this world while God's Kingdom is not of this world. God is the creator of the universe, so Satan is allowed by God, Satan hates humanity because God gave us free will, instead of the angels. That is why our world works against us. The world is a prison of vices to enslave people.

>they recognize the divinity in man albeit paint it a Christian color, which is regrettable.

Human godhood exists in many different belief systems, and it's a big part of satanism. There are smaller/lower practices of devil worship, being against God, Do what thou wilt, no greater purpose, no past or future, only ego/devil worship, being your own redeemer, even if you're just an atheist who simply doesn't want to believe in God. What appears to be god powers in man, are abilities overseen by demons looking for souls, or heads to squat in.

>We are the children of gods why is it so hard to fathom that we could rise to join them?

Because many of the entities that want to give godhood to humanity are changing humanity. It's really odd how accepting pagans are of belief systems that are used by Aristocrats.

>Does this mean the national socialists were fags or that they were purposefully influenced by fags?

Gays are not the same global power as Jews, even if they're degenerate. Hypothetically speaking, If Gays did influence Nazi Germany, then Hitler would be used as a evil historical example why not to discriminate against gays.

>National socialism is not a religion

I mean that Isis i used as controlled opposition (and by CO i mean a terrorist group that does more harm to it's followers instead of advancing them.).

>This was a practice from the ancient Greek democracies.

A lot of freemasonry symbolism is stolen and is presenting in a devolved form, one example is the use of checkers taken from Salomon's temple, used in media to give the context of false wisdom from spiritually devolving content. Freemasonry and other secret societies became popular in the 1700s. so who is presenting the symbolism, is as important as what it is.

>I hope you are not insinuating that Freemasons are a unique race

Haha, no, i mean the 90 degree angle of their shoes.

>If I were to purposefully photograph myself in this posture would I become a Freemason as well?

Any one can do the symbolism, anyone can be a Freemason, but not everyone is in the highest degrees nor is in the stage of the public or a position in power.

>I could surely use the money and power.

haha, i admire that ambition, but some capital/influence are not worth the price. http://archive.is/hKeFH I think it's safe to say that there are certain groups and entities that are not only dangerous but also beyond our human understanding.

>it was the slaves who found it genuinely useful.

It also gives instructions on owning slaves, It helps you to be resilient in difficult situations that is why slaves should find it the most useful.


 No.18001

>Sexlessness = purity

Is it not? it's proven that the most sexually active someone is, the more unstable their marriage will be. You're not suppose to go celibate, you just save the sex for procreation. Your libido is sexual energy you could use for something constructive.

>Weakness = goodness

The word Weakness is used personally here, moral resilience can show strength and character. Sloth is a sin, it's not helpful to be a physical or moral weakling.

>Submission to people one hates = obedience

>Not being able to take revenge = forgiveness

I'm not sure where you get obedience to submit to someone you hate. I assume you're talking about Matthew 5:43-48. It's not submission, It's pity. You're greater than someone when they don't bother you enough to ruin your day or environment. There are many ways to get revenge without violence, if you're 'enemy' is bad with talking to women, simply talking to women around him will anger him, you don't even have to do it purposely to hurt him, sometimes a simple implication can be enough to the right weakness. Christians must have boundaries like everyone else, and Matthew 5:43-48 is speaking in allegory. Jesus went on to speak about divorce after, it's about personal interactions, not what groups, or governments should do.

"turning the other cheek acknowledges that the offense only happens to you, why should you care if you tries to offend you. That doesn't mean you can't defend yourself, or what you believe. To "love" someone doesn't mean to let them do whatever they want, if you love someone you want to see them do good, not submit to them. That is a really distorted idea of love.

>Proverbs 22:24 Make no friendship with a man given to anger, nor go with a wrathful man,

>Proverbs 21:19 It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman.

>Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

>the Bible, says otherwise. Remember, resist not evil.

It says "But I tell you, do not resist an evil person." in the context of the "turn the other cheek" allegory. Not Evil itself. I can't even image how crazy Christianity would be if it taught you morals and then told you to not resist evil.

>James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

>Regardless of the personality mask you try to put on creation, everyone acts on their own and uniquely justifies their choices and actions.

The soul (where God should be,) is interwoven with the spirit, the spirit is what emanates from that person, everyone can be influenced by good and evil, also more so depending on the spiritual repercussions of their actions. Even if the conscious mind uniquely justified their choices and actions, there is a spiritual battle (that is greater than them) taking place inside everyone, that is also taking place in other realms.

>I could claim that the Templars…

There are definitely some Christian mysticism and Pagan Christian sects out there, Not the Templar though, their identity was stolen.

>You only peddle this satanic Jew sect to structure pretext.

The difference is they do worship Satan and satanism has it's own similarities to Judaism.

>The Templar's had a golden head of a woman named Sofia

That doesn't mean their identity wasn't stolen from the freemasons, also that's goddess worship. Biblical Christianity doesn't worship women, regardless of the new order of Catholicism.

>not a hermaphrodite goat thing made by Levi.

I don't really see your point here, just because someone makes a depiction of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, or that something isn't taking it's form to make it real. This also doesn't negate the 1700s Templars from originating from the Freemasons.

There are a few theories on where Baphomet came from. Some say a french corruption of Mahomet/muhammad, Code from the Kabbalah to mean "father of the temple of peace of all men. The Arabic word for "father of understanding", and it's interesting you mention Sohia, she has some esoteric connections to Baphomet, as the goddess of wisdom.


 No.18002

>>17934

>It is the same. Both, Islam included, revolve around the worship of the god of Abraham.

I don't see why you believe the Abraham religions worship the same God, when they don't even have similar descriptions, prophets, appearance, or mechanics. The Jewish Shekinah talks of a female and male aspect of God, Allah shares the same "oneness"/non-trinity that the actual jewish God is described as.

>I can say with confidence that Lucifer and baphomet are not the same

It's strange because they talk about Lucifer, but they display Baphomet. To me, Moloch, Satan, Baphomet are just masks for the same entity because of similar characteristics, and the history/principals of Satan.

>How would we know know the highest secrets of this order and that what is out to the public is not a hoax to fool the masses?

They're a public organization.

>I hardly doubt a secret society, one that controls so much of the world would goose step so childishly to reveal the secrets of their power. You even said that they are armed to the teeth in deception. How do you know that you haven't fallen for their tricks?

Because they publish their belief in their books, and a lot of it is already circulated in New Age religion. ex 33 degree members have published books on it. Like Jim Shaw's A dead deception

>It is convenient that you don't show your work

It's really difficult to summarize details in the world that are dismissed easily, but in the bigger picture (or all together) are shockingly objective. This world is an illusion, every piece of the world is another arm of evil.

>that you did so in the rose tinted glasses of Christianity.

I didn't always take Christianity very seriously, i used to be a atheist, then a deist, it was only recently that i discovered the finger prints of the satanism that i decided that i was dealing with something greater than i could understand, something older than humanity.

>It's still the god of Abraham. The same one you worship

The Abraham religions worship different Gods.

>That's quite a defeatist attitude you have there, hopeless one.

Have you traveled to another continent only to find the same one eyed, okay hand sign symbolism in mainstream ads, or to see their idol groups on checkerboards, to understand every occult symbol, the 5th age, red and blue. This is the end game, we're already in the global government, i just hasn't been externalized.

>If you'd prefer Jewish influence to human ingenuity and power, why continue?

to find truth, when everything has Jewish influence.

>I don't understand the Christian hatred for life.

These are spooky topics, Christians hold an unexplainable peace given to them by God which mellows their spirit, Christians love life when it's separated from "the world".

>Wouldn't the god of the world not only be responsible for the evil, but good as well?

I believe you're thinking it like if Satan is some earth god or something. When Christians refer to "the world" or the god of the "world" They're not talking about everything that God created (good and evil, to test each other), instead the physical kingdom that Satan has created to harvest the souls of humanity for hell, every outlet that creates vices to enslave us (media, politics, agriculture, politics. ect).

>I feel a similar connection to the discordian Eris

>Doing what she does purely for fun rather than to hurt or help.

It's not like that in Christianity, the devil didn't like being a servant angel, so he gets his revenge doing terrible things to humanity, and getting them to lose the spiritual battle.

>I can never understand the Christian notion that the next world is more important than this one.

That's not correct, this world is as important as the next, because your choices in this world effect your eternity.

>1st pic

I haven't studied enough to answer this

>2nd pic

The difference is one is a political movement and the other is a religion. The religion comparison is directly opposed to Judaisms.

>3rd pic

That picture actually made me think twice about reply to you, it misrepresents soo much of Christianity. For example, the part where it says "you are slaves of Christ", Jesus is speaking directly to slaves, he later goes on to speak to Slave masters.


 No.18003

>>17967

>>17968

>>17969

>>17970

>>17972

That is some adorable pretending by the way.


 No.18005

>>18002

>every outlet that creates vices to enslave us (media, politics, agriculture, politics. ect).

>admits to not wanting to aspire to more than a Nigger's level of society

No wonder the Dark Ages happened.


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>>18000

>God is the creator of the universe, so Satan is allowed by God, Satan hates humanity because God gave us free will, instead of the angels. That is why our world works against us

Yet they chose (which requires freewill, unless this is an orchestrated event to deceive, maybe even trying to cleanup fallout?) to rebel, they were not forced, they chose, so the idea they envy our free will is not something I can accept. No one does something so grand for no reason at all. To rebel against one's entire life, and all those pleasures with takes free will. Maybe they did not start with free will, yet they ended up getting it, perhaps without the power of the tyrant they rebelled against. Perhaps they never felt a reason to use it until then. They freed themselves from slavery, then. There is something admirable in that.

>Human godhood exists in many different belief systems, and it's a big part of satanism.

Mormonism is Satanism? They would disagree with you. And with their own beliefs to back them up, they have just as much a claim to "truth" as you do.

>Do what thou wilt,

I am to this day annoyed by Christians who can only read the surface level of things

>no greater purpose, no past or future,

In the inner workings of mysticism, these can seem very viable theories. In the realm of science, one is seemingly true and one seemingly false. I myself see no grand plan in the workings of the chaotic universe, that we each forge our own destinies through the exertion of our own will. Even prophecy must be taken with a grain of salt. But I only speak for myself

>only ego/devil worship, being your own redeemer,

Some people do not feel the need to ask for help. Especially when it is for something they never cared to ask for, or is forced upon them without their consideration. Some would prefer to make themselves worthy, even of their own consideration. There is no wrong in this, though a Christian would say otherwise. "How dare you, he died for you," "his death was wasted," is my reply.

>What appears to be god powers in man, are abilities overseen by demons looking for souls, or heads to squat in.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>Because many of the entities that want to give godhood to humanity are changing humanity.

Well if it a change from your fictional god's design, it can only be a change for the better.

>It's really odd how accepting pagans are of belief systems that are used by Aristocrats.

Because we pagan are not spiritual communists.

>, If Gays did influence Nazi Germany, then Hitler would be used as a evil historical example why not to discriminate against gays.

You're on the internet too much then. Or perhaps you didn't pay enough attention in history class?

>I mean that Isis i used as controlled opposition

Then I still don't see your point because Nazi Germany was in no way controlled opposition.

>i admire that ambition, but some capital/influence are not worth the price.

That price was very Christian. I admit, I would not accept it out of my own pride. But I'm sure Christ absolved his sin with his bloodletting. After all that's what he killed himself for.

> I think it's safe to say that there are certain groups and entities that are not only dangerous but also beyond our human understanding.

Beyond your understanding, perhaps because you refuse to see the christian side as anything but "satanic," since it does not coincide with your specific interpretation. After all, you know the way, am I right?

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>>18000

> It helps you to be resilient in difficult situations that is why slaves should find it the most useful.

"Resilient in difficult situations," what an inept statement. Of course one remains resilient when you believe in some metaphysical punishment against your enemies because you are too weak to do so. Death is preferable to slavery, but to a christian, it's a test of how many good awards they get for being docile.

>Sexlessness = purity

In the sense of celibacy or using sex only for procreation. These two extremes are sexlessness. I do not advocate the other extreme of a sex filled life, but to enjoy one's self within moderation. There is no sin in sex.

>Weakness = goodness

Weakness in all its forms. The mere act of apathy and apathetic silence is a Christian weakness. The choosing of slavery over death. The inability to stand up for oneself. Any of these physically or morally is something to overcome, not admonish.

>You're greater than someone when they don't bother you enough to ruin your day or environment.

There is a kernel of truth in your statement. But I wonder how far you run with it.

>There are many ways to get revenge without violence, if you're 'enemy' is bad with talking to women, simply talking to women around him will anger him, you don't even have to do it purposely to hurt him

At least you've finally sprouted a brain to think independently with. But you are still in violation of your Bible, you must love your enemy, forgive them. Revenge is a very anti christian concept

>allegory

Meaning > intention. The definition of words is greater than their perceived meanings. Intentions change with time. Like how your christ is heralded as an open armed hippie today, and a holy knight during the Crusades.

>I don't see why you believe the Abraham religions worship the same God

>religious interpretation is hard

I cannot say I'm surprised. Christians are taught very specific things tauted about as absolute truth. But rarely are there ever absolutes

An Abrahamic religion is a religion whose followers believe in prophet Abraham and his descendants to hold an important role in human spiritual development. No matter what you think or believe, it all comes from the same source. The Jew named Abraham.

>It's strange because they talk about Lucifer, but they display Baphomet

I was unaware you have participated in Freemasonry yourself. You should mention this more often

>They're a public organization.

Who stupidly reveal their highest secrets to all?

>Because they publish their belief in their books, and a lot of it is already circulated in New Age religion

I will remain skeptical until it is proven to me to either work or is properly demonstrated to be used by freemasons


 No.18015

>>18000

>This world is an illusion, every piece of the world is another arm of evil.

Yes, yes a test of sin to see if you've earned enough good goy points to wash your fictional god's feet. I'm surprised you haven't killed yourself yet, but then again, you are Christian and lack the strength to do so.

> i decided that i was dealing with something greater than i could understand, something older than humanity.

And you decide to fight it from a side barely two thousand years old, with the exact same mythology, but yet your warped interpretation has more credibility than them?

>The Abraham religions worship different Gods.

No. Just different interpretations.

>Have you traveled to another continent only to find the same one eyed, okay hand sign symbolism in mainstream ads, or to see their idol groups on checkerboards, to understand every occult symbol, the 5th age, red and blue

Blue car syndrome is when you buy a blue car and suddenly notice every other blue car on the road. In short, what the thinker thinks, the prover proves. The anti semite, given enough time and ingenuity, can and will find proof of jews running the world. At least they prove their statements with more than just statements.

>Christians hold an unexplainable peace given to them by God which mellows their spirit,

Sounds like you've got a demon squatting in your head. Didn't you say all seeming godly power was satanic influence?

>instead the physical kingdom that Satan has created to harvest the souls of humanity for hell, every outlet that creates vices to enslave us (media, politics, agriculture, politics. ect).

>agriculture is a vice. Work is a vice

>media and politics wasn't a natural human development of communication that slowly got taken over by foreign influence, but made by my evil god to enslave your soul

So. Much. Stupid. I literally am at a loss for words, your idiocy gave me an aneurysm. "agriculture is fucking vice,"

>instead the physical kingdom that Satan has created

Then the physical kingdom, and humanity itself is his. Your fictional good god is now the invader trying to steal souls Satan had made. Regardless of the intention, by natural right, the god of the world owns the world. If your good god was anywhere near as powerful as you believe, why does he not use the right of might to claim it? Final battle aside, he's a very lazy god


 No.18016

>>18013

>Yet they chose (which requires freewill, unless this is an orchestrated event to deceive, maybe even trying to cleanup fallout?) to rebel, they were not forced, they chose, so the idea they envy our free will is not something I can accept.

It's like Adam and Eve in the garden before eating the fruit, only without redemption. God allows these corruption mechanisms. Satan specifically craved the worship of God, and wanted humanity to turn away from God. In rebelling against God they become fallen angels.

>Perhaps they never felt a reason to use it until then. They freed themselves from slavery, then. There is something admirable in that.

I could say that being lazy could free someone from orthopedic injury. Some see vices as freedom.

>Mormonism is Satanism? They would disagree with you. And with their own beliefs to back them up, they have just as much a claim to "truth" as you do.

Even if the bible is false, you can still understand Satanism principals to see where it's used in other beliefs. The New Ager wouldn't call himself a Satanist, yet the Satanist can see it in them.

>But I only speak for myself

>There is no wrong in this, though a Christian would say otherwise. "How dare you, he died for you," "his death was wasted," is my reply.

>Revelation 3:16 I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other! 16 So because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of My mouth! 17

It's all about choice, you must choose to follow God. God would rather you be a better pagan than a lukewarm/regretful Christian, in the bible God says he'd rather you never have known him than instead, that he.

> >What appears to be god powers in man, are abilities overseen by demons looking for souls, or heads to squat in.

>HAHAHAHAHAHA

The New Agers, satanist, light workers, left hand paths, occultist ect will give me the same respounce all while their bodies grow sick from the demons that they've let in. Look up symptoms of a Kundalini Awakening.

>>It's really odd how accepting pagans are of belief systems that are used by Aristocrats.

>Because we pagan are not spiritual communists.

Neither are we, even if we unite under conversion, everyone has their role, and

>Christ absolved his sin with his bloodletting. After all that's what he killed himself for.

Can you prove that Christ sinned, and that he killed himself instead of being killed?

>perhaps because you refuse to see the christian side as anything but "satanic,"

>since it does not coincide with your specific interpretation. After all, you know the way, am I right?

I carefully looked into Satanism before getting into Christianity, every atheist or New Age theory is something i test it with. Every "Jesus is copy of pagan gods" or "YHWH is baal/moloch/saturn" falsehood. I have spent more time looking into claims of Christianity's Satanism than Christianity itself, for better or worse.

>Of course one remains resilient when you believe in some metaphysical punishment against your enemies because you are too weak to do so.

Christians don't believe that God is going to avenge them, and praying to God to get revenge on enemies would contradict a lot of the values. Practicing non-violence, being wise, assertive, being able to handle any kind of enemy is not weak.

>Death is preferable to slavery, but to a christian, it's a test of how many good awards they get for being docile.

>The inability to stand up for oneself. Any of these physically or morally is something to overcome, not admonish.

There is a kernel of truth in your statement. But I wonder how far you run with it.

Humility is not about being a doormat, what good is a Christian if he just lets others walk over him, you really think God wants an effeminate man without boundaries, similar to the kind of man that Adam was after he passively blamed Eve for the apple? It's about thinking of your self less instead of thinking less of yourself. I'm really amazed you honestly think Christianity is about being sitting duck.

>Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.


 No.18017

>I do not advocate the other extreme of a sex filled life, but to enjoy one's self within moderation. There is no sin in sex.

Masturbation is not the same as sex with another, you're right that sex can be sinless, but that is not the same kind of sex we're sold.

>>There are many ways to get revenge without violence, if you're 'enemy' is bad with talking to women, simply talking to women around him will anger him, you don't even have to do it purposely to hurt him

>At least you've finally sprouted a brain to think independently with. But you are still in violation of your Bible, you must love your enemy, forgive them. Revenge is a very anti christian concept

Love doesn't mean to let someone walk over your boundaries, it means to help better themselves, even in ways that may hurt them. Loving your enemy can mean convicting someone because they stole from you, so they learn to not do it again or they reflect on their lives. You forgive then when they sincerely ask for forgiveness, that doesn't mean you don't limit what is acceptable. What i said doesn't contradict the bible at all.

>Meaning > intention. The definition of words is greater than their perceived meanings. Intentions change with time.

Given the context and words, the allegory is the deeper meaning. Of course the surface level interpretation is always there, but it doesn't add up to read about Jesus literally telling me to not cast pearls before swine, that would be an incomplete understanding.

>Like how your christ is heralded as an open armed hippie today, and a holy knight during the Crusades.

That would be a flawed mainstream interpretation/simplification, even if he has both aspects as a loving God and an end times knight.

>No matter what you think or believe, it all comes from the same source. The Jew named Abraham.

>>religious interpretation is hard

I know the origin of Abraham religions, my point is to force them together or to see them as Jewish sword and shield is a disservice to you.

>I was unaware you have participated in Freemasonry yourself. You should mention this more often

Have you ever seen a nuclear missile, or confirmed that the moon is not hollow, or actually seen the shape of earth? I thankfully don't need to give worship to every ancient pagan deity in order to know the connection of freemasons and goats.

>Who stupidly reveal their highest secrets to all?

I really enjoy your sarcasm. To answer your question, we're too brainwashed to care or even understand how they're using this ancient knowledge against us. It's all over our media. Michel Jackson's moon walker is about gay homosexual group masturbation, yet despite having it played over and over, and people having danced it's peculiar dance, no one has noticed it. People don't care about what comes out of "the world", they often defend it or dance to it. That is why they can show us what they plan to do, and we won't see it.


 No.18018

>to see if you've earned enough good goy points to wash your fictional god's feet. I'm surprised you haven't killed yourself yet, but then again, you are Christian and lack the strength to do so.

It would be pretty hilarious to kill myself after finding God. We're all slaves to something, you should make sure whatever master you follow (even if it's yourself) helps you.

>And you decide to fight it from a side barely two thousand years old, with the exact same mythology, but yet your warped interpretation has more credibility than them?

It's not the same mythology, the Jews have much different spirituallity despite sometimes considering the OT (which Jesus fulfilled). Christianity opposes both Jews and Satan, which are the ones who want to enslave us.

>No. Just different interpretations.

Catholicism is a different interpretation of Christianity yet they believe the same God, prophets, messiah. Mormonism is not an interpretation because (like Judaism, and Islam) it adds books or takes away fro the actual scripture.

>I will remain skeptical until it is proven to me to either work or is properly demonstrated to be used by freemasons

>At least they prove their statements with more than just statements.

How would you show a forest to someone who can only see one tree at a time, or who can dismiss any one tree as separate from a forest? That is how brainwashing works, it gains strength from patterns. Aren't you pilled enough to know the work of freemasonry?

>Sounds like you've got a demon squatting in your head.

As someone whose dealt with sleep paralysis, snake dreams, automatic writing, this is dramatically different. People under possession don't have peace, they aren't helped by their entity.

>Didn't you say all seeming godly power was satanic influence?

i don't remember saying those exact words, but yes all seemingly godly power is satanic influence. The bible shows that Satan has powers, you should be able tell the difference between a workings of God or evil. Unless you're morals have been inverted.

>media and politics wasn't a natural human development of communication that slowly got taken over by foreign influence, but made by my evil god to enslave your soul

>your idiocy gave me an aneurysm.

Vice was definitely a poor use of the word there, of course media and politics were original used for human development, just like corporations, that also doesn't negate how it's been reversed to harm you, such as bad food, like American soy.

>Regardless of the intention, by natural right, the god of the world owns the world. If your good god was anywhere near as powerful as you believe, why does he not use the right of might to claim it? Final battle aside, he's a very lazy god

He did, the global flood and sodom and gomorrah would be an example, however those are clearly temporary. Just because evil exists, and it looks like a giant to us, doesn't mean it's not defeated. By giving us spiritual redemption he defeated evil in an unorthodox way. I can see why it would look lazy to you.


 No.18019

Also even if i used the word agriculture incorrectly, food can be a vice, you can eat more than you should.


 No.18020

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>I will remain skeptical until it is proven to me to either work or is properly demonstrated to be used by freemasons

Here is an introduction to freemasonry.


 No.18021

>>18016

>Satan specifically craved the worship of God, and wanted humanity to turn away from God.

Before it was the envy of free will (an act which requires freewill), now it is because Satan wanted attention? Did the other angels also crave attention? Make up your mind. Pick one story and stick to it.

>It's like Adam and Eve in the garden before eating the fruit, only without redemption

Because self determination and freewill is obviously a sin. Yet if we humans apologize enough, we are absolved of this crime.

>Some see vices as freedom.

If it does free them from something, then it is a source of freedom.

>The New Ager wouldn't call himself a Satanist, yet the Satanist can see it in them.

Perhaps, but only in the sense that they might share parallels. I see only one parallel with mormons and that is the recognition of divinity in its fullest state.but that is where it ends. This does not make pagans mormon nor mormons pagan.

>God would rather you be a better pagan than a lukewarm/regretful Christian, in the bible God says he'd rather you never have known him

This is the only time I have found your good god respectful, and the only any Christian has said any such thing.

>The New Agers, satanist, light workers, left hand paths, occultist ect will give me the same respounce all while their bodies grow sick from the demons that they've let in.

I give you this response because I have no other way to convey the idiocy I find in such a statement. While I can attest laVay satanists, pseudo occultists and the like (all of whom are Christian or presuppose Christianity) are very sick, twisted people and are better describe as slaves; I have, however, on occasion, found a proper occultist or left hand pathworker (none of whom are Christian) who are legitimate, who have true strength and real personal power. Who has all the virtues to be found in man, yet none of the vices. They who can revel and smile and fight. Once again, I laugh at you and your weak excuses.

>Can you prove that Christ sinned, and that he killed himself instead of being killed?

It all depends, like all of the Semitic religions, upon interpretation. Just because you might not have this interpretation does not make it any less valid, lest you must invalidate a whole entire sect of your religion. If one believes in the Trinity as a whole; then yes Christ was born and had himself killed for his creation, to give them a second chance to get in his good graces after abandoning them after the apple incident. There are instances, too, of Christ performing sins of pride, sloth, gluttony throughout the new testament. But since he is the redeemer, and placed so highly with in your mythology, you would bend over backwards to excuse all away in the same I would do so for the various gods of various pantheons. But it all comes down to interpretation and suspicions. I'm none too interested in debating this since we will most likely never budge for the other.

>I carefully looked into Satanism before getting into Christianity, every atheist or New Age theory is something i test it with

I would say you did start out Christian, as you had to presuppose Christianity like so many others do.

>Every "Jesus is copy of pagan gods" or "YHWH is baal/moloch/saturn" falsehood.

While I do not advocate such beliefs, I will advocate that Christianity does have many things within taken from pagans. Holidays and even the practices therein come to mind. There is the fact many folk practices came over from people coerced into Christianity. While Christ may not be an exact copy, he does share quite a lot with more than just a few gods.

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 No.18022

>>18016

>Christians don't believe that God is going to avenge them, and praying to God to get revenge on enemies would contradict a lot of the values.

Yet the very concept of hell is one of avengement, if you consider that Christianity did not have a hell to begin with. And people go get tortured forever for simply not believing hard enough. There is the book of revelation which is nothing but your good god's avengement against what he considers "evil." Christian afterlife is a bastardized version of karma. Christianity, from the start was a doomsday cult.

And on the concept of your hell, am I truly to believe your god of the world or demons are bound there, willingly torturing those your good god finds displeasing? I truly wonder sort of realm your hell truly is, since it is the hq of your worldly god.

>Practicing non-violence, being wise, assertive, being able to handle any kind of enemy is not weak.

Yet your good god and self proclaimed saviour are not bound by this. Why should you be? Because they know better? Are you not to be trusted to act on your own without the threat of damnation? Must you first have permission?

>you really think God wants an effeminate man without boundaries

Yes, I do.

>you're right that sex can be sinless, but that is not the same kind of sex we're sold.

Why buy something you do not like? Surely you are capable of imprinting Caveat emptor upon such things

>Loving your enemy can mean convicting someone because they stole from you, so they learn to not do it again or they reflect on their lives.

Sounds more like sadistically waiting for someone to cross you so you can "show them the way." Whether violent or not, it is in the end a sought out punishment. A revenge against injury. Violence is just more honest. I wouldn't mind the nonviolent way if you hadn't tried to herald it as holy.

>You forgive then when they sincerely ask for forgiveness, that doesn't mean you don't limit what is acceptable

And what if they have done the unforgivable? Do you wait for your good god to show them the error of their ways with eternal torture? I see no reason to yield such trust again to someone who so willingly betrayed it. Regardless of their convictions, nothing worth having should ever come easy.

>Given the context and words, the allegory is the deeper meaning. Of course the surface level interpretation is always there

Context and definition is apart of the meaning. Interpretation has no part in it. Allegory is an excuse to wash away inconsistencies. Even some pagans are guilty of this.

>my point is to force them together or to see them as Jewish sword and shield is a disservice to you.

The origins of those religions is in no way a disservice to me, but they are to you.

>Have you ever seen a nuclear missile, or confirmed that the moon is not hollow, or actually seen the shape of earth?

That depends on how much crediablity you give to our sciences, and given the way you put your words, you distrust science completely.

No I have not seen a nuclear missile, but I have seen the aftermath of 2, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are testament to their existence.

Prove to me that the moon is hollow, I might believe it. Otherwise, it is an observable spheroid orbiting our planet.

Satellites, spaceships and the astronauts within are testament to the shape of the earth.

But these just might be Freemason deceptions, I take it?

>I thankfully don't need to give worship to every ancient pagan deity in order to know the connection of freemasons and goats.

Flat earth, no nuclear weapons and a hollow moon. Now goats prove the evil Freemason theory. And you wonder why I fail to take you at your word. I just hope you're doing this for the sake of argument

>we're too brainwashed to care or even understand how they're using this ancient knowledge against us.

Except for you, because you've all the answers although you've yet to show them to be credible.


 No.18023

>>18016

>Michel Jackson's moon walker is about gay homosexual group masturbation, yet despite having it played over and over, and people having danced it's peculiar dance, no one has noticed it.

OK, I'm not a mj fan, still I don't know if you mean the dance move, the movie or the video game (given a 3 min search, as I almost don't care, I can't find any moonwalker song). But in each of those I fail to see what you see. You're beginning to sound that one guy who sees phallic imagery all over the Denver airport. Did Elvis dance weird to spread awareness of polio? But you also seemingly believe in a flat earth, a hollow moon, that goats are Freemasons and evil somehow. I hope I'm wrong and that was just for argument.

>People don't care about what comes out of "the world", they often defend it or dance to it.

I see no reason to defend something against anything with has no foundation against it. Especially when I don't even care about it to begin with

>It's not the same mythology, the Jews have much different spirituallity despite sometimes considering the OT (which Jesus fulfilled).

Jewish history, prophets, folklore, rituals, mythological entities… no, I will concur that it is the same mythology with different names.

>Christianity opposes both Jews and Satan, which are the ones who want to enslave us.

While I can agree with the Jewish part of that argument, I still fail to see Satan's side. If anything, he, being not only a god of the world, but also freewill, self determination, freedom from bondage (just what I've glanced off from rereading the other posts and my own interactions with Christians/Christianity in the past), and given how your good god is so willing to punish, conquer this world, and make everyone and thing submit to him, I find your evil god good. It's just a shame he has no worthwhile followers. But what can I truly expect from a Jewish religion?

>Mormonism is not an interpretation because (like Judaism, and Islam) it adds books or takes away fro the actual scripture.

But it is an interpretation, a crazy one, an insane one of uncontrolled imaginings. Yet the only crime you seem to levy against is that they dare to split away and reorganize Christianity to better suit them and add on to an already stagnating mythology. Both Mormonism and Islam recognize your Christ. Judaism, too, depending who you talk to. I'm reminded of the early rivalry between protestants and Catholics or orthodox and Catholic or Quaker and puritan. Christians are forever jewed against each other.

>How would you show a forest to someone who can only see one tree at a time, or who can dismiss any one tree as separate from a forest? That is how brainwashing works, it gains strength from patterns. Aren't you pilled enough to know the work of freemasonry?

Going along with your overly elaborate metaphor, you've shown me 2 shrubs, a sapling and a tree and proclaim it a forest. I'm pilled enough to know of Freemasonry's existence. But I see no proof to any of your claims. All you've done is reveal speculation, state the stupidest, autistic crap I've read in awhile, make wild accusations, all the while providing no proof, as if, the proof were your very words, for anything.

Let's take it a step back: Nietzsche was a Freemason. OK how and why? He once was photographed in a certain posture. OK, what else do you have? Nothing. Do you have him listed down in one of their books? No. Do you have proof he purposely participated in any of their rituals? No. And you expect me to believe this? Yes.

MJ's moonwalker is an allegory of gay group masturbation. OK, the movie, video game or dance move? Where's the proof? How and why?

One concept I thought once overlapped between pagans and Christians was that of Justice. That people are innocent until proven guilty. By the gods, your mythology talks about the court of god (perhaps I was assuming too much. Why would your good god care about anything but his own Justice?). Yet you do not care about Justice or helping others, but putting to the sword those things which you don't like and purposely seek out, even in places where they don't exist. Or if they do you don't care to awaken people to it with more than just accusations.

>you should be able tell the difference between a workings of God or evil. Unless you're morals have been inverted.

Well, it's definitely hard to tell the difference since your "good" god works with an entirely different set of rules that only he is subject to.


 No.18024

>>18016

>He did, the global flood and sodom and gomorrah would be an example, however those are clearly temporary.

They were clearly calculated attacks explained away by biblical propaganda. He seems, to me, an invader and must orchestrate his attacks carefully lest he lose the war. I see no provable good in those actions other than "he was just displeased."

>Just because evil exists, and it looks like a giant to us, doesn't mean it's not defeated. By giving us spiritual redemption he defeated evil in an unorthodox way.

If it was defeated, it would not exist. Redemption sounds more like "recruitment." Who else will fight his final battle? Him? If he were so all powerful he would not need an army of any size


 No.18025

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>>18020

>introduction to Freemasonry

>alright

>8 minutes of random guys ego wanking out their interpretations

>"theyz worshippin' Satan!"

>"may corn, wine and oil, and all the necessities of life abound to all the world"

>"da dawn star is god"

Oh shit , clearly they are evil

But seriously, I fail to see the evil there other than that they are actually not Christian. Which, of course to Christians, is the greatest evil. I wonder now if they had put on a Christian mask to protect themselves in the past, and forgot it was just a mask. At least I found one thing wrong in my thinking.

Yet this still proves nothing objectively evil or malicious on the part of masons. And now I think I might care just a little less.

>"Theyz worshippin' Satan mkay!"

>mfw everything is called Satan


 No.18026

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It, freemasonry is just another sect of semitism. Both have taken too much from us to not be brought to our justice. There is nothing of value to live by in judaism, just as in freemasonry. We lost India to the Dravidian, will the Semite get Evropia the same way? Both are tricks, made by the same doer who knows he'll be free once we have no more holdings upon this Middle-Earth.

"I am an old tree, with freshly new sprung buds."


 No.18027

>>18019

>doing damage control

Do Niggers deserve respect despite their lack of accomplishment yes/no


 No.18028

>>17345

/thread


 No.18032

>>18021

>Make up your mind. Pick one story and stick to it.

Angels are their own kind of creatures. I used Adam and Eve as an example because they received a permanent change because of their sin. Angels didn't inherit original sin. Angels are moral agents, they're not robots, or puppets, but they came into existence with untested holiness, just like Adam and Eve before the fall. This is how our free will caused a choice (that we knew was wrong) to curse us. That is why Angels can't use free will in the same way as humans. You're a creature who can lose something important from exercising your free will you envy ones that can freely exercise it. Satan wanted/wants worship.

>Did the other angels also crave attention?

They joined lucifer.

>Because self determination and freewill is obviously a sin. Yet if we humans apologize enough, we are absolved of this crime.

You have the free will to steal something from someone, that doesn't mean free will is a sin.

>If it does free them from something, then it is a source of freedom.

The man who dates transwoman believes they're as good as real women (or that they're really women in a men's body), but be has been deceived into accepting a deception. The problem is humanity doesn't know when their values have been flipped upside down.

>This is the only time I have found your good god respectful, and the only any Christian has said any such thing.

Jesus has some beautiful encounters where he shows a lot of sneaky respect to ancient pagans in the bible. My favorite would be https://bible.org/seriespage/23-faith-canaanite-woman-matthew-1521-28 http://archive.is/TSi0j The Faith Of A Canaanite Woman (Matthew 15:21-28), it's very misleading but the deeper meaning speaks to what i want to separate myself from.

>While I can attest laVay satanists, pseudo occultists and the like (all of whom are Christian or presuppose Christianity) are very sick, twisted people and are better describe as slaves;

>I have, however, on occasion, found a proper occultist or left hand pathworker (none of whom are Christian) who are legitimate, who have true strength and real personal power.

>They who can revel and smile and fight. Once again, I laugh at you and your weak excuses.

There is suppose to be a psychological as well as spiritual aspect to it, it makes sense that if you're an ex-Christian that such practices will become more volatile to them than those who believe nothing is wrong with tapping into the source, or calling of the force of Satan. Of course there are people who practice it without problems. However i'm sure they themselves know the dangers.

>Just because you might not have this interpretation does not make it any less valid

Not when there is historical documentation, and several witness accounts, and people (after the event) who studied it.

>If one believes in the Trinity as a whole; then yes Christ was born and had himself killed for his creation, to give them a second chance to get in his good graces after abandoning them after the apple incident.

Believing in the trinity means knowing that each distinct person is still the substance, essence or nature of God.

>after abandoning them.

God didn't abandon humanity after the crucifix, it's the opposite, he gave humanity a way to reach him.

>There are instances, too, of Christ performing sins of pride, sloth, gluttony throughout the new testament.

I would be very interested in reading these chapters.

>you would bend over backwards to excuse all away in the same I would do so for the various gods of various pantheons

People get the bible wrong all the time, but i always take a look. There is no point in believing in something if it's false, at the same time, it can't be false now because I've personally contacted God and hes shown me his influence, i know it's an anecdote, but hes not a godform either because those wouldn't give you a choice. Regardless I've run into a lot of surface level interpretations of the bible that people use to discredit it. There is usually a good answer, for example why lucifer and Christ are both described similarly, why God tells us not to worship idols like baal yet asks for the first born, why Jesus calls a pagan woman a dogs, Jesus calling us Gods.


 No.18033

>But it all comes down to interpretation and suspicions.

The bible is just one path to God, there are a few other ways to reach him.

>I'm none too interested in debating this since we will most likely never budge for the other.

I personally love to talk about these things, it's why i have written several essays with you about these topics despite our disagreements. With that said, you have a point, iron sharpens iron, and you wouldn't reach your understanding or discoveries of your gods, if you stopped because someone told you they're not real or evil.

>I would say you did start out Christian, as you had to presuppose Christianity like so many others do.

That is correct, i started out Christian but i never really met God, so then became atheist, agnostic, deist and then truly Christian. There are people who never knew Christianity yet discovered Jesus.

>While I do not advocate such beliefs, I will advocate that Christianity does have many things within taken from pagans. Holidays and even the practices therein come to mind. There is the fact many folk practices came over from people coerced into Christianity.

They're indeed an influence there, it has to do with Roman Catholicism how they changed the lunar calender to a solar one, that is why we have our sabbath on SUNday. Some believe that Christiamas is pagan because it has some elements to saturnalia, but only in gift giving, i haven't really looked in to Easter/Ishtar too much.

>While Christ may not be an exact copy, he does share quite a lot with more than just a few gods.

I would be interesting in hearing about this?

>>18022

>if you consider that Christianity did not have a hell to begin with.

I don't know why you say this, if Hell is mentioned in the OT.

>And people go get tortured forever for simply not believing hard enough.

There is a difference between willful sinning and unknowingly sinning.

>There is the book of revelation which is nothing but your good god's avengement against what he considers "evil."

Do you not consider the Jewish end game evil? That is once the apocalypse has happened and everyone converted to Judaism.

>Christian afterlife is a bastardized version of karma.

Karma isn't a reward, it's more of the results of life or past life, the Christian redemption for the afterlife is pretty flexible at times, and sometimes doesn't requite action for receiving help. They're pretty different especially without the past life.

>Christianity, from the start was a doomsday cult.

I can see why it would seem like that from an outsider's perspective, yet it (should be) much more preventative than a resignation for the apocalypse.

>am I truly to believe your god of the world or demons are bound there, willingly torturing those your good god finds displeasing?

God doesn't want his creation to burn in eternity, that is why he gave us a way to overcome it, Satan uses hell to steal away God's favorite creation.

>Yet your good god and self proclaimed saviour are not bound by this. Why should you be? Because they know better?

We can listen to ascended masters or spirit guides, tap into the source, exact our will, or use our creative power to change reality, but there is soo much of this world that we don't know about. We have only been able to scratch the surface of what the humans in power have presented to us with on a silver platter, let along what they keep from us or what they worship knows. Part of being Christian is to be Christ-like, Jesus used his authority as a God only when necessary, such as defending something sacred like the church. God can do a lot of things, because his will is perfect. When God flooded the world he left the roof the ark open, he is here to help humanity.


 No.18034

>Yes, I do.

>1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

>Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

What good are morals if you're too weak willed to defend them.

>Surely you are capable of imprinting Caveat emptor upon such things

You did not understand my use of the word "sold", i mean the kind of sex that is pushed on mainstream couples, is against our desires, one example would be the push for open relationships, another is how (because of how degenerate everything is now) infidelity is seen as normal now.

>And what if they have done the unforgivable?

There are a few options here, self defense is allowed, so is any legal consequence for what they have done, then there is God. It really depends on the situation, and person and how repenting they actually are. Most Christians will go with the first two options i listed, only when they're exhausted do they turn to God's will.

>your good god

You can only have one master, i don't worship Satan.

>Allegory is an excuse to wash away inconsistencies.

i disagree, words can have more than one meaning, turning the other cheek and fighting smartly are not inconsistent to other values God taught.

>The origins of those religions is in no way a disservice to me, but they are to you.

Christianity was also suppose to be a conclusion to Judaisms, Jesus calls anyone who doesn't believe in the messiah a liar. The Judaisms blatantly doesn't consider Jesus the messiah.

>That depends on how much crediablity you give to our sciences, and given the way you put your words, you distrust science completely.

There is science behind an dome/flat earth, and there is HAARP, I don't distrust science completely, but a lot can be faked. I guess the holocaust would have been a better example to use. You seems to have jumped to a lot of conclusions from those flat earth examples.

>But these just might be Freemason deceptions, I take it?

>Flat earth, no nuclear weapons and a hollow moon. Now goats prove the evil Freemason theory. And you wonder why I fail to take you at your word. I just hope you're doing this for the sake of argument

Those were just examples, i don't actually believe the earth is flat, there are plenty of arguments and science for the flat earth, just because NASA presents you with something contradictory to a lot of ancient pagan beliefs doesn't make it right. I thankfully don't need to be a deceived low level Freemason to know about it.

>Except for you, because you've all the answers although you've yet to show them to be credible.

How do i show you something you been taught to ignore? i don't believe have all the answers, only some, when i see something on TV, i don't see every esoteric interpretation possible

>OK, I'm not a mj fan, still I don't know if you mean the dance move, the movie or the video game (given a 3 min search, as I almost don't care, I can't find any moonwalker song).

>MJ's moonwalker is an allegory of gay group masturbation. OK, the movie, video game or dance move? Where's the proof? How and why?

I mean the Beat it music video, every scene in the video is a reference to homosexuality group masturbation. The two men coming out of a manhole, disregarding of women while playing with a toothpick in his mouth in the bar, the jerky hand motions, the jewelry, the kissing of the "woman" with the Adam's apple. The submissive guy driving the forklift, the flamboyant dancing, the hand gestures.

>You're beginning to sound that one guy who sees phallic imagery all over the Denver airport.

http://archive.is/aF4Cg#selection-2505.0-2523.21

>But you also seemingly believe in a flat earth, a hollow moon, that goats are Freemasons and evil somehow.

I don't care about the flat earth or the moon, i know Freemasons worship a proxy for Satan, i focus on God, and study the finger prints of Satan in "the world".

>I see no reason to defend something against anything with has no foundation against it. Especially when I don't even care about it to begin with

Why do you feel immune to the externalization of the global government? Living a survivalist life while the populations has been taken down by 2/3 won't help us much.

>I will concur that it is the same mythology with different names.

If that is true then they would follow Christ and the NT, and ignore the other extra Jewish books like the kabbalah, talmud. I'm not denying that it came from Judaism, but the conclusion is an opposition to it.


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>I find your evil god good.

That's because Satan is a counterfeit, he wants to be woshipped like God, but the means he uses to accomplish it is manipulation, while God gives you a choice to love him or not. That is why Satan wants to create a global government to enslave everyone to him, that is why he wants mass surveillance to watch over everyone as God, but for nefarious reasons instead of helpful ones.

>But it is an interpretation, a crazy one, an insane one of uncontrolled imaginings.

Doesn't it stop being an interpretation when he adds another book saying that it's another testimony of Jesus Christ. It would become it's own thing.

>Yet the only crime you seem to levy against is that they dare to split away and reorganize Christianity to better suit them and add on to an already stagnating mythology.

Joseph Smith was a freemason, who added lies to established scripture.

>Both Mormonism and Islam recognize your Christ. Judaism, too,

They recognize him, as the brother of Satan, or as someone who will hilariously return to abolish Christianity, or as some blasphemer rebel against he jews.

>depending who you talk to. I'm reminded of the early rivalry between protestants and Catholics or orthodox and Catholic or Quaker and puritan. Christians are forever jewed against each other.

Some of those denoms that you listen are clearly controlled, like mormons, and others are not so clearly controlled. It's important to set up divisions so you don't allow practices like female priests or Christian pagan rituals, there is also disagreements withing paganism as well.

>OK, what else do you have? Nothing.

In the Will to Power he says "To become master of the chaos one is…that is the grand ambition here."

>One concept I thought once overlapped between pagans and Christians was that of Justice. That people are innocent until proven guilty.

I'm sure there are some commands/rules from God that would go against you or our worlds concept of justice, such as the death penalty. God also leaves room for people to receive salvation from repentance.

>Yet you do not care about Justice or helping others, but putting to the sword those things which you don't like and purposely seek out, even in places where they don't exist. Or if they do you don't care to awaken people to it with more than just accusations.

I assume that everyone on 8chan already is aware that mass media is mind control, otherwise i can show you examples of this. I come here to learn about paganism and to correct the cartoon of Christianity that's been created. If i were to show you a picture of lil john, you wouldn't have much to say beyond that hes nigger, but you'd miss that he was wearing a crown and that message that is giving you. I stopped trying to "awaken" people a long time ago, people don't want to learn about such depressing topics, especially those who take refuge in them. When i do show them explicit proof (if they don't label or compare me to another crazy group), then they understand only the secrets of that single piece of media, and continue consuming other media with the same pieces o the same symbolism. We been fed the same recycled porn symbolism since 1700s, that MJ beat it video has been remade for another generation with the New boyz music video "you're a jerk".

<all the while providing no proof, as if, the proof were your very words, for anything.

<8 minutes of random guys ego wanking out their interpretations

<But seriously, I fail to see the evil there other than that they are actually not Christian.

>How would you show a forest to someone who can only see one tree at a time?

>clearly they are evil

What makes them evil is their work in media,

>He seems, to me, an invader and must orchestrate his attacks carefully lest he lose the war. I see no provable good in those actions other than "he was just displeased."

The world was lost to a mentality of continual wickedness, and the arc had an opening in the roof for mercy.

>If it was defeated, it would not exist.

What would be the point in a creation of free will if half the choices were gone, and only good choices were left?

>Redemption sounds more like "recruitment." Who else will fight his final battle?

Christians only spread God to others, this is a spiritual battle primarily, you can extinguish the jews and another belief system will rise up, claiming to be divine and will unify the world for the same Jewish devil.


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>>18035

This one has better quality.


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 No.18039

>>18032

>Adam and Eve as an example because they received a permanent change because of their sin.

Self determination is not a sin, well, maybe to a christian. The only crime here is your good god set up an experiment doomed to fail. Given how he made angels, a seemingly perfect creation (which at first, by your own words, had no freewill yet now possess a different sort of freewill because that fits the narrative better), yet they too end up rebelling against that tyrant, perhaps he is just not as grand as he makes himself out to be.

Please none of that "muh mysterious ways," or "muh grand design," mental sewage, I can only handle enough stupid on this thread

>Angels didn't inherit original sin. Angels are moral agents, they're not robots, or puppets, but they came into existence with untested holiness,

Well if they don't have freewill, they are pretty much robotic moral agents. But now they might have freewill because the plot has demanded it. And the holiness side of the argument falls short with your evil god's rebellion.

>This is how our free will caused a choice (that we knew was wrong) to curse us.

Don't net the rest of us humans into your head canon, please and thank you. But if you took place of either Adam or Eve, would you have acted differently? If you went to them as you are now, would you tempt them away from the serpent? Whether part of some autistic design (which would make your good god more bored than unconditional) or failed experiment, what happened needed to happen. Lest something potientally worse could happen. Perhaps Adam and eve would rebel the same way your evil god did.

>That is why Angels can't use free will in the same way as humans. You're a creature who can lose something important from exercising your free will you envy ones that can freely exercise it.

Yet those rebellious angels lost their place by your good god's side by exercising their freewill. So clearly, they are not above the cause and effect of freewill, and do have things to both gain and lose. Regardless if their freewill is somehow unique to ordinary freewill, they are still subject to karma it seems.

>You have the free will to steal something from someone, that doesn't mean free will is a sin.

Except if you were to steal from your good god, it would become a sin.

>The man who dates transwoman believes they're as good as real women (or that they're really women in a men's body), but be has been deceived into accepting a deception.

How is that man free of anything by dating a tyranny?

>The problem is humanity doesn't know when their values have been flipped upside down.

This has nothing to do with morals, but finding the key to one's shackles. A key is a key.

>that such practices will become more volatile to them than those who believe nothing is wrong with tapping into the source, or calling of the force of Satan

I do not have the will nor the years required to get into this with a Christian

>Of course there are people who practice it without problems. However i'm sure they themselves know the dangers.

Of course they do, otherwise they are Christian and believe themselves above struggle and problems only to curse reality when it dashes away their ignorance.

>Not when there is historical documentation, and several witness accounts, and people (after the event) who studied it.

Funny, should we speak of the lack of historical and witness accounts for people such as Christ, Moses and Muhammad? We have historic and witness accounts of people such as Bodhidharma, Zoroaster, Apolloinus of Tyana. Yet nothing of the Semitic prophets outside of self proclaimed holy books from distant deserts. Especially during a time when miracle workers were all the rage. The Romans never wrote of Christ, though they mention many messiahs the jews had, the Egyptians never mention Moses. No middle eastern kingdom has proper account of Mohammed. All there is are self proclaimed holy books and the babblings of people who spent too much time reading them.

>Believing in the trinity means knowing that each distinct person is still the substance, essence or nature of God.

Perhaps to you. You forget your interpretation is not the only one. If you consider yours true, at least demonstrate it thusly.


 No.18040

>>18032

>God didn't abandon humanity after the crucifix

No, he abandoned them after the apple incident with Adam and eve.

>I would be very interested in reading these chapters.

Pride:

Luke 10: 38-42

Matthew 10: 37

Mark 14: 3-7 (also sloth here, I easily side with Judas)

Matthew 12: 41-42

Envy:

Luke 9: 59-62

Wrath:

Matt: 11: 20-24

Greed:

Luke 6: 1-5

Luke 19: 29-35

Sloth:

Mark 7: 1-9

I don't want 5 posts of excuses so I'm going to stop there. Just know, I judge your Christ as a human and not a demigod above human morals and ethics.

>There is no point in believing in something if it's false,

Yet you are Christian

>it can't be false now because I've personally contacted God and hes shown me his influence,

Once again, he is a very lazy god or too childishly spoiled when it comes to standards. Either way the child god should be over thrown.

>Regardless I've run into a lot of surface level interpretations of the bible that people use to discredit it. There is usually a good answer

Good enough for you perhaps.

>why God tells us not to worship idols like baal yet asks for the first born,

"Bloodthirsty, child god."

>The bible is just one path to God, there are a few other ways to reach him

Unless it's Mormon.

>I would be interesting in hearing about this?

Resurrection:

Ishtar/Inanna

Osiris,

Persephone

Baldur

Crucifixion (sacrificial death/hung from trees)

Odhinn

Set

Krishna

Matata's

Dodonian

Zeus

Tammuz of Syria

Hesus of the Celtic Druids

Prometheus

Thulis of Egypt

Most of his life and mirvales, even appearance is that of apollonius of Tyana.

>I don't know why you say this, if Hell is mentioned in the OT.

As in it's earliest start, when it was made by Greek theologians and Jewish moralists. The Bible wasn't made, or rather, its canon not closed until around 400 ce. Then, there are literal hundreds of "translations," which popped over the centuries. You'd do well to look into Christian history.

>There is a difference between willful sinning and unknowingly sinning.

The inquisition, Christian history and several Christian philosophers might disagree with you. Your good god, as well.

>Do you not consider the Jewish end game evil? That is once the apocalypse has happened and everyone converted to Judaism.

You are presuming. I do consider the Jewish end game evil, but I remain unconvinced your good god is against it in any way since he is the god of the jews and Abraham.

>Karma isn't a reward, it's more of the results of life or past life,

Only half true. Karma is the wheel of cause and effect; one reaps what one sows to its fullest extreme.

>They're pretty different especially without the past life.

Hence why I label it "bastardized."

>yet it (should be) much more preventative than a resignation for the apocalypse.

With a price not worth paying

>God doesn't want his creation to burn in eternity, that is why he gave us a way to overcome it

Which is complete and utter subservience under his foot, regret for your choices and guilt over everything which you are born into. If you aren't willing to pay this price, say hello to a red skinned, pitchfork wielding imp to sodomize you with your canabialized flesh! Your "overcoming" is too anti human for anyone with reason.

>Satan uses hell to steal away God's favorite creation.

A creation he abandoned after the incident in the garden then returns to one group, has this group go on literal genocide and child sacrifice crusades against every other surrounding tribe, will occasionally destroy a city or flood the earth over mild discomfort. Then, finally, impregnating an already married woman to have that child maligned, tortured and killed in brutal agony just to say "sorry, here's a second chance." Why would I not want to be "stolen?" My gods might be brutal, but at least they're honest.

>he is here to help humanity.

Please see above

>then there is God. It really depends on the situation, and person and how repenting they actually are. Most Christians will go with the first two options i listed, only when they're exhausted do they turn to God's will.

Then they not only fail themselves, but weaken themselves also. It is the internal struggles, when won and fought on their own that one overcomes and becomes greater. By turning away from struggle and seeking help, they cheapen their battles and fail as humans. This applies to the unforgiven one as well, for, in their case, especially, nothing worth having should ever come easy.

By giving them forgiveness and love so freely what is gained but that forgiveness and love? How can he, who betrays trust so easily, be thought to change to his core without struggle? You might as well piss into the wind because you've opened yourself to exploitation once again.


 No.18041

>You can only have one master, i don't worship Satan.

I never said you did. But know, that I, as a pagan, recognize him as a god of your pantheon, who stands on equal terms with your good god in the contest for humanity. And given my outside perceptive, I truly hope the evil one wins. Not because I enjoy evil, but that, to me (as I do not view the world as you do), he's the one who seems better in comparison. When it comes to Jewish mythology like this, one side cannot be said to be truly better than the other.

>i disagree, words can have more than one meaning,

You are right, but that is when context comes in. No matter what meaning/context/definition outweigh intention/allegory/interpretation.

>Jesus calls anyone who doesn't believe in the messiah a liar.

Not believing makes one a nonbeliever, not a liar, though.

> The Judaisms blatantly doesn't consider Jesus the messiah.

Probably because Judaism's true Messiah was supposed to give jews 14000 slaves each. (It was some stupidly large number)

>There is science behind an dome/flat earth,

Theories, perhaps. Still unproven and undemonstrated in reality.

>I don't distrust science completely, but a lot can be faked.

This is true, but my point is if you're going to say something is fake, at least prove it so

>just because NASA presents you with something contradictory to a lot of ancient pagan beliefs doesn't make it right

Neither does it make it wrong.

>How do i show you something you been taught to ignore?

By showing me demonstratable proof. The fact you don't need proof for your own self speaks volumes of your beliefs.

>when i see something on TV, i don't see every esoteric interpretation possible

You should probably stop watching TV and go do something productive. It only has the power you give it, unless you consider yourself a watchdog and wish to warn others. Then, I wonder why you disdain the idea of "awakening others."

>beat it

>every scene in the video is a reference to homosexuality group masturbation

I will admit, you might have something there, especially given the context of the incline of degeneracy of pop culture since then. I would sooner blame jews before masons, though.

>Why do you feel immune to the externalization of the global government?

Death is preferable to slavery. Any being that gives up its freewill to live for the sake of another deserves nothing less. Will you fight or turn over like dog?

>That's because Satan is a counterfeit,

No, it's because I find him less repulsive to human interests.

>he wants to be woshipped like God, but the means he uses to accomplish it is manipulation

Probably because he is a god and his dominion is being contested by a foreign invader. But you good god, equally uses manipulation and equally malicious methods, yet Christian history may not have a bearing in your Christianity. Or you might just sweep this away as satanic influence, because your perfect interpretation was found so recently

>while God gives you a choice to love him or not.

What is eternal damnation, again? Not much of a fair choice.

>That is why Satan wants to create a global government to enslave everyone to him,

Where's the proof? I could say trannies are because of Loki. And that Loki wants an army of trannies to charge Valhalla as a distraction of confused feelings and untempered rage while he takes their weapons, pisses in their Mead and gathers the giants, but you're damn sure I'd try to have proof of it for myself, at least, before I bring it to others. Otherwise, it is humans acting within their own special interests.

>that is why he wants mass surveillance to watch over everyone as God, but for nefarious reasons instead of helpful ones.

I didn't realize he left his ultimate plan folder laying around like that.

I understand where you're coming from, this is perfectly realistic, but at least leave out of the supernatural. I can believe a shadow group of humans, Rothschild's or what not doing stuff like this. But a goat legged red man with pointy horns and a pitchfork?

>Doesn't it stop being an interpretation when he adds another book saying that it's another testimony of Jesus Christ

How can you disprove it not being another testimony of your Christ?

>Joseph Smith was a freemason, who added lies to established scripture.

Like Nietzsche was?

>Some of those denoms that you listen are clearly controlled, like mormons, and others are not so clearly controlled

It's all controlled

>In the Will to Power he says "To become master of the chaos one is…that is the grand ambition here."

You're an idiot. I'd tell you to read moar, but you d end up reading more scriptures

>fucking autism


 No.18042

>>18032

> God also leaves room for people to receive salvation from repentance.

At a price not worth paying

>come here to learn about paganism and to correct the cartoon of Christianity that's been created

You're doing a lot more preaching (and making your side seem less and less good)

>I stopped trying to "awaken" people a long time ago, people don't want to learn about such depressing topics, especially those who take refuge in them.

I'd replace "depressing," with "fringe." I don't mind reading of them , I just, like every other human possessing of reason, want proof: demonstrable proof.

>What makes them evil is their work in media,

Prove they work in the media. Prove it is them who call these shots.

>What would be the point in a creation of free will if half the choices were gone, and only good choices were left?

What is the point of creation of freewill when one side is good peaceful servitude and the other torturous eternal damnation?

>Christians only spread God to others

With fire, blood and pure hatred

>you can extinguish the jews and another belief system will rise up,

[Citation needed]

>stair bars are evil!

>lamp posts are evil!

>doorway arches are evil!

>doorway arches evil, again?

It is weird for a barber shop to have obelisks, I admit, but so is a fully orchestrated musical number in the rain

>totally unrelated music video has rain and is obviously evil!

>mfw no umbrella up the butt

>>18036

>hey, this enslaved chick is trying to trick a lustful, power drunk villain by toying with his desires so the hero can take advantage and get the drop on him

>THATS TOTALLY EVILLLLLLLLLLL

>>18037

>cringe worthy nostril dive music video of a song of a guy who having to grow up and having to get used to ordinary life

>band obviously coked up and over excited about cameras

Evil? It makes me glad I never could get into MTV… but where's the Satan?

>Ringo is the devil!

>random nigger chick in chains because Beatles, man! Don't you get it, man?

>weird Jersey devil pops up again?

>song mostly about the struggles of growing up put to a jaunty tune

I wonder what ever it is you're smoking

Do you have better proof that does rely on poetry interpretation?


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>Well if they don't have freewill, they are pretty much robotic moral agents.

I was wrong about fallen angels envying human free will, they don't, they just hate humanity to get back at God. They do become fallen without redemption due to choosing to follow Satan instead of God. Also God didn't create sin, if you have read Genesis, you notice that when God is creating the world, it's described as "good".

>Matthew 10:37

That is the passage regarding turning the family against itself - when they oppose God. This one is not pride either, it's devotion to God, you'd want your family to have the same belief that you have. This is about if your family goes against your beliefs.

>Mark 14: 3-7

I wish i knew more about Germanic paganism to make this example but whatever, image if you had a chance to me the most important god in your beliefs, and you had limited Money, you could give it to the poor, or you could make an impressing on that god. There will always be poor, but that god might not always be there in the same way.

>Matthew 12:41-42

Once again, this is about the glory of God, and it's not boostful, it's correct, God is greater than Solomon, since God gave him the wisdom he is known for. If Jesus says God is greator than the earth, humanity and angles, it's not pride it's a what makes a creator God.

>Luke 9: 59-62

The passage is about moving forward, despite a heavy past. When Christians say they're reborn it's because they have move forward from their past. Jesus wasn't envious of the priorities of the men, rather he wanted him to focus on something greater than even his family or his father's burial. Hypothetically speaking if the family or the death of the father effected either men greatly, God would answer those troubles. That is the point of finding God, he helps you in unbelievable ways.

>Matt: 11: 20-24

That's not vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger, they didn't repent. God is commonly seen as this wrathful being, but he also listens to his creators when they repent, and helps them. His rules are not harsh when they have such accessible and flexible benefits.

>Luke 6: 1-5

>Then Jesus declared, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”

The sabbath comes from God, so Jesus is on a different authority to this practice. It would be as if someone wrote a book and this author started criticizing his own writing, while someone says " who are you to criticizes this book?". greed would be insatiable longing for unneeded excess. This was done to prove a point.

>Luke 19: 29-35

The story of Jesus is much more humble than is seems, he could have been the king of the universe who say on a throne run by strange holy creatures. At the same time he had to show that he was God without becoming too well known. You're noting to like this answer but this falls under worship of God, you notice how Jesus never says "i am God so bring me those young horses (he says "the lord needs them), and call me God when you worship me (they never say Jesus is the lord, they praise the lord though)", at the same time he doesn't deny that he is God.

>Mark 7: 1-9

It wasn't out of laziness, it because to show there are more important aspects to glorifying God beyond the OT laws.

>I don't want 5 posts of excuses so I'm going to stop there.

Just so it doesn't seem like I'll automatically negate every passage you post, i'll tell you parts of the bible that leaves me puzzled. That would be whether it's a literal or not telling, the story of Genesis is fine with me, but the story to Jonah where he travels inside a giant fish, or how the staff of Moses becomes a snake when he demonstrates the power of God is strange to me. There are also things that are lost due to re-tellings on different accounts, like Adam and Eve being both made at the same time, and Adam being made before Eve.

>I judge your Christ as a human and not a demigod above human morals and ethics.

Then you miss the point of the whole bible and Christianity, the idea is that he is his own human person yet with the essence of God. No wonder you guys have such an idea of Christians. This is why you only see Jesus as a random jewish man.


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>Unless it's Mormon.

You missed my point, that's a another religion, i'm talking about how there are different way to divine experiences. A re-mix of Christianity from a Baal worshiping Freemason wouldn't create divine experiences.

>Zeus

I don't know too much about most of those gods, yes there will be similarities, just like the epic of gilgamesh, and uniqueness. I'm sure you know that Zeus got his power from drinking from a one eyed goat?

>The Bible wasn't made, or rather, its canon not closed until around 400 ce. Then, there are literal hundreds of "translations," which popped over the centuries.

I don't understand, John the Baptist (28-36AD), Josephus (100CE), Talmud, Tacitus (56-120AD), Pilny the Yonger (61-113AD), Suentonius (69-122AD), Titulus (73 AD), Lucian 125AD) all before 400CE?

>but I remain unconvinced your good god is against it in any way since he is the god of the jews and Abraham.

Origins are clearly very important to you, yet the Jews don't worship Jesus, and they have a different God who is dual gendered.

>will occasionally destroy a city or flood the earth over mild discomfort.

You call him lazy when he dosen't and extreme when he does, also he sent prophets to warn the cities, and left a hole on the top of arc.

>impregnating an already married woman to have that child maligned

He never had sex with Mary, that is why it's called the virgin birth, also Jesus existed before, that is why the plural for gods is used in Genesis when God is creating the world, referring to the trinity.

>By giving them forgiveness and love so freely what is gained but that forgiveness and love?

It really depends on the person, some do take advantage of God's help until it's too late, Others repent.

>How can he, who betrays trust so easily, be thought to change to his core without struggle?

Because sometimes betraying trust causes a struggle. Clearly there will be those to take advantage and go to hell, but by turning to God they learn to have compassion for those they have wronged. Those taking advantage of others put themselves into compromised positions.

>Probably because Judaism's true Messiah was supposed to give jews 14000 slaves each. (It was some stupidly large number)

Then you acknowledge the difference between Judaism and Christianity.

>By showing me demonstratable proof. The fact you don't need proof for your own self speaks volumes of your beliefs.

Read/watch the work of Fritz Springmeier and William Cooper, they both offer a neutral Christian veiw of all of this.

>Where's the proof?

>[Citation needed]

Look at theosophy from the work of Alice Bailey, she covers the lucifer side of the New Age and talks about a New world order.

>But a goat legged red man with pointy horns and a pitchfork?

The spiritual entity they worship.

>You're an idiot.

I only know that I know nothing. They're not going to come out and tell you everything but they will leave clear clues.


 No.18053

>>18050

>when God is creating the world, it's described as "good".

Good =/= perfect. If your good, evil god truly created everything, he would've also had to create the bad things, too, including sin.

>This one is not pride either, it's devotion to God, you'd want your family to have the same belief that you have

Just because a divinity (self-proclaimed and unproven) in this instant says so, does not make so. If a human were to talk like this, which Christ is human, after all, it would be labelled pride. Laws are double edged, if they cannot be used against the entity which made it, they are not worth following.

Frankly, I don't care what family practices or follows along as it isn't Jewish (then I might have a noticeable problem with it), they have the natural right to worship what they wish. Even then, what am I to do? Murder them in cold blood or do the christian thing and wait for my gods to punish them for me? How pathetic.

>Germanic paganism

Don't be so small minded, now

>, image if you had a chance to me the most important god in your beliefs, and you had limited Money, you could give it to the poor, or you could make an impressing on that god. There will always be poor, but that god might not always be there in the same way.

While I do firmly believe apathy is worse than death. Altruism is dangerous. Be careful of charity, for you can cause more harm with an open hand than a closed fist.

One one hand, you could give the money to some poor soul, but you might as well pour sand into his hand. Whenever the suffering see the elevated, there is resentment, he didn't earn it, he was just lucky. "what makes him deserving?" And now he becomes a target. Misery prefers company.

On the other hand, you could ignore him and choose to keep the money. Yet this same man would then suffer still. "Why does this keep happening to me? Why not them? What makes them so special?" Misery prefers company. Where there is suffering, it spreads until it is everywhere, and when a kindness is finally offered, it is punished and a greater darkness is served

My qualms with the christian side is that it offers no such critical thinking and the character of Christ, who speaks of altruism, cannot bear to perform it himself. He is a hypocrite.

> If Jesus says God is greator than the earth, humanity and angles, it's not pride it's a what makes a creator God.

What makes him more worthy than those who created you? That he created them? Not even my gods act so tyrannical, they only demand the best in man or man suffers his own self made consequences, not to submit or face damnation and torture forever.

>When Christians say they're reborn it's because they have move forward from their past.

>Hypothetically speaking if the family or the death of the father effected either men greatly, God would answer those troubles.

What a weakening thought. Ultimately impossible. We are the singular collections of our experiences, it is what makes us unique. We are our scars. To trade any part of ourselves for any amount of power is folly.

>Jesus wasn't envious of the priorities of the men, rather he wanted him to focus on something greater than even his family or his father's burial.

Again, I call your "good" god a childish, envious tyrant. While the gods are indeed great, they would never be so iron fisted about this sort of thing. When one we lose loved ones, to grieve for them is natural, not sinful. No god should come before what is most immediate before you. What a truly childish, vain god.

>That's not vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger, they didn't repent.

Why should they have repented for anything? Their actions were justified to them, otherwise they would have never acted on it. Regardless of any wrongs, natural events by their own making would've spelt either their doom or punishment. This is a parable warning of what happens when you refuse to apologize to your good god.

>God is commonly seen as this wrathful being, but he also listens to his creators when they repent, and helps them.

He could help them out of the wrongful lives they live, but hey, how else can he get his rocks off if he doesn't torture them until they give him permission to help or die.


 No.18054

>>18050

>His rules are not harsh when they have such accessible and flexible benefits.

I would pay to watch you explain this to both inquisitors and their victims.

>, he could have been the king of the universe who say on a throne run by strange holy creatures. At the same time he had to show that he was God without becoming too well known

>You're noting to like this answer but this falls under worship of God, you notice how Jesus never says "i am God […]", at the same time he doesn't deny that he is God.

Inconsistent. Is he not already the self proclaimed king of the universe? I don't care what he planned, for it has lead to senseless bloodshed and failure. This sounds too much an excuse to cover for either a really good con man or, the equally acceptable, not so grand and powerless god.

> it because to show there are more important aspects to glorifying God beyond the OT laws.

Perhaps because those laws were ineffectual for the purpose of overcoming humanity. Why those OT laws were good for bloodshed, they could not disarm the gentiles who stand against Jewish corruption. Hence, the creation of your Christ.

>parts of the bible that leaves me puzzled. That would be whether it's a literal or not telling

That's because you put too much stock in allegory when there should be none. Meaning > intent.

>he is his own human person yet with the essence of God

Then still, he is not above his own laws

>No wonder you guys have such an idea of Christians. This is why you only see Jesus as a random jewish man.

No, it is because he's literally Jewish. As described in your self proclaimed holy book from the jews. From bloodline, to upbringing, to death. From teachings, to morals, to actions

>You missed my point, that's a another religion, A re-mix of Christianity from a Baal worshiping Freemason.

Which is, and always will be christian. Albeit another sect. Besides, Freemasons also worship your good god as equally to Baal and Osiris, if they worship any of them in reality. But mormons are not Freemasons

> i'm talking about how there are different way to divine experiences.

Then you are the first christian to do so

> there will be similarities, just like the epic of gilgamesh, and uniqueness.

Actually, the fact most religions and faiths have independent accounts of a flood is a similarity. When something is copied by a group of people who once lived in the area, we're kicked out and rehashed it as a new religion, it is plagiarism .

>I'm sure you know that Zeus got his power from drinking from a one eyed goat?

He was actually nursed by that goat, named Amalthea, during his infancy. His powers were natural to him from birthright, with exception of lightning and thunder, which he got from the Cyclops'.

But are you going to say that Zeus is also a Freemason, now?

>Josephus

Funny, his accounts invalidate what could be considered fact of your bible.

>Jopehus

>wrote of nothing about Christ's miracles or teachings but his well deserved death

>Suentonius

>wrote about early Christians punished rightly by the Romans and never talks of Christ

>Titulus

Probably about as real as the shroud of Turin and crafted in the middle ages to give some agency for the fiction it was made for

>Lucian

He was a satrist who spoke of the barbarity of Christians and how, like any religious group, are no better than any other

>Talmud

I'm glad you indirectly admit the Jewish origins of your religion

>Pilny the Yonger

He said Christianity was a depraved and excessive supertision, and I agree with him.

>all before 400CE?

The Bible as you know it, yes. There are forbidden books such Arian's account which claims Christ was actually the son of a Roman soldier named Panther.


 No.18055

>>18051

>Origins are clearly very important to you, yet the Jews don't worship Jesus,

Conversions mean nothing.all that matters is substance. Jewish heroes, saints, stories, history, practices, morals, ethics. Open up any single page of the bible and find, for me, one single page free from any Jewish reference.

>You call him lazy when he dosen't and extreme when he does, also he sent prophets to warn the cities, and left a hole on the top of arc.

I call him a child, for he acts just like one. Either he throws temper tantrums or does nothing. And when he does finally do something, it is in the most lazy and half assed way possible.

>He never had sex with Mary, that is why it's called the virgin birth

Still adultery

>that is why the plural for gods is used in Genesis when God is creating the world, referring to the trinity.

Probably more likely to be the collective of jews who wrote the bible, since they see themselves as such. With this in mind, it's no surprise Christ thought the same way too.

>Because sometimes betraying trust causes a struggle.

For the betrayed, not the betrayer. The betrayed has a chance to become greater for the struggle granted by his weakness. But the betrayer only gains from his exploitation

> Clearly there will be those to take advantage and go to hell, but by turning to God they learn to have compassion for those they have wronged.

What is learned by submitting other than weakness? Turning away from struggle is anti human. Those who turn to escape punishment deserve nothing but death for they are traitors to themselves. Compassion is nothing.

>Then you acknowledge the difference between Judaism and Christianity.

I always have. But Christianity is still just as Jewish as Judaism.

>They're not going to come out and tell you everything but they will leave clear clues.

You say that, yet only find clues where none actually, if hardly, exist. Yet, even still if you are so wise, what do you accomplish by speculating about such things online and not fighting against such things? Bad things happen because good people do nothing, after all.

>Nietzsche talks about overcoming the flaws and gaining control of the contradictions in oneself in some of the most plain English translation can provide

>HEZ A MASON!

If that's the case,by my own philosophy I'm a mason, too. How do I go about getting my influence and money?


 No.18056

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Aannndd its a shit flinging contest.

Atheistfag here, i only mention this because i dont want to misrepresent myself or give the wrong impression. no bully plz

If we understand that culture is a racial construct then where does that leave Christianity after almost 2000 yrs of existing within and being filtered by white racial values?

Look at Christianity as it manifests among other racial groups. Niggers for example, they aint writing treatise on the problem of evil. They arnt building St Pauls Basilica either. The basic principles of Christianity may well be questionable. I always find the 'beg for forgiveness or go to hell' thing a bit dubious. But so much of what occurred since the rise of Christianity is only partially effected by it. The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel is a work of genius, a work for the ages regardless of its paymasters or what it may have been intended to aggrandise. Is it correct to destroy this because its at least partially Christian in content?


 No.18059

>>18056

>>18056

when did we ever say that christian artworks need to be destroyed? we will do as the christians did and just say it was pagan all along


 No.18065

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>>18056

>>Is it correct to destroy this

What do you think we are, some kind of christcuck jew-larpers after the destruction of all European Idols? You should be more worried that in the coming decades Christians, becoming worried of their position, might themselves have such icons destroyed stating those icons led them into idolatry.

>>18059

Well, Michelangelo's David certainly doesn't look like a jew but more like an ancient Greek statue as whoever it depicts has a foreskin and it had a bench hurled off a building by Christian rioters in the hope of destroying it as an idol only broke its arm off though. And the friar Savonarola just years before the painting of Paul's Basilica had the Bonfire of the Vanities, consigning many early Renaissance paintings and books into the blazes.


 No.18066

Unlike Varg I think Chuches are pagan. Chuch or Cerkov means the same as chakra - circle. That's why there are 7 churches in the Revelation. So if you burn a church, you are against nature.

Varg says Athena is Thought. It is correct. However it is no different from christian Sophia.


 No.18067

>>18065

>>18059

Well my point was that so much of our history during the Christian period was a product of US not Christianity. The art works are a visible example of this. Yet i see many condemning much of the stupid shit we have done as Christian in order to disown it. The lunatic altruism we have shown to other races for instance. Yes, Christianity had its part to play in that, but only because we made it that way. Christian niggers probably wouldn’t act like that because, well . . . their niggers, Christian or not.

Its too easy to blame them when the issues we blame them for seem to be more about our own general racial character. I guess what im trying to say is that in spite of the dubious things in Christianity the end result would probably be about where we are now, more or less. Yeah, the specific reasons for fratricidal wars etc… would be different, but its not like we wernt happy to kill each other before that.

There are good Christian men and women that follow the 14 words. Isnt this the real issue? How much does Christianity matter?


 No.18068

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>>18065

>might themselves have such icons destroyed stating those icons led them into idolatry.

this, dumb christcuck faggots like to pretend that christianity united europe and forget that the first several hundred years of christianity was nothing but bickering and infighting between the several different factions, like Arians, Manicheans, Pallicians and Donatists. and it didnt stop there; later on there was the Cathar crusade and the Bogomil massacres. and lets not forget of course the 4th crusade, where the catholics decided to sack, rape and destroy the Byzantium empire literally because "I need money bro", leading to the downfall of Western civilization in the near east and the rise of Islamic caliphates, and the 30 years War, where Brothers of Christ, tortured, raped and massacred each other because of schismatic splits. Christians have always thought it was more important to kill other whites and even other Christians because they dont prescribe to their exact idea of what a trinity is or whatever the fuck. Muslims invading and raping Spain? Better go invade the North and deal with those dirty pagan Saxons. This stupid religion has literally been nothing but dead weight on our race; the sooner we discard it the better.

>>18066

churches have ceased to be sacred places, the second they started allowing niggers and faggots into them. My only problem is that he burned down stav-churches; ancient temples which possibly have architecture based off the heathen temples of the late viking age. Such a thing was stupid of him.

Did absolutely nothing wrong killing that pedophile priest or that commie tho, fuck any christian that has a problem with that

>>18067

>There are good Christian men and women that follow the 14 words. Isnt this the real issue?

Ive met faggots that were fascist because its the hot new thing. somehow the fact that they are faggots, and thus literally useless to their race and nation, is completely lost on them. Christians are a lesser version of this; their Bible directly contradicts the Laws of Nature and the Rule of Blood and Honor, yet they still somehow warp the religion into a fascist context, the same way faggots will say "but muh SA was gay!" ignoring that the nazis purged such queers, the same as they attempted to purge christianity with positive christianity and the kirchenkampf

>the end result would probably be about where we are now, more or less

no it wouldnt. you must be fucking daft to think 2000 years of religious brainwashing has no effect on the character or psychology of a race.


 No.18069


 No.18070

>>18068

even when I was in middle school (~2003) there was a superfag kid that loved Loki. Loki is like a gay sex icon


 No.18077

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>>18054

This is all just information for you to consider, i'm clearly not a pagan (at least not intentionally), and i will disagree with most of what you believe (not everything though, i definitely agree that one must be prepared for "fighting"). However it's not so simple to call Christianity "Jewish", if you look at how it as a result of Christianity instead of it's origin of Judaism. Although i can understand why that would be something difficult to let go.

>Josephus

Funny, his accounts invalidate what could be considered fact of your bible.

>Jopehus

>wrote of nothing about Christ's miracles or teachings but his well deserved death

He references him twice, one where he is on trail and is described as "the christ", another that says.

"About this time lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was the achiever of extraordinary deeds and was a teacher of those who accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah."

The controversy of Jopehus comes from people claiming that it's Christian forgery, because of how it describes Jesus as possibly the son of God, despite Jopehus being a jew, who wouldn't normally call him the Messiah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9J599VBEZI

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=f9J599VBEZI

>>Talmud

>I'm glad you indirectly admit the Jewish origins of your religion

They desecrate Jesus in the Talmud, claiming he lied about being God, it works against the idea of Christianity as Jewish.

>The Bible as you know it, yes. There are forbidden books such Arian's account which claims Christ was actually the son of a Roman soldier named Panther.

Alternative gospels are common, especially ones of a later date, like the Nag Hammadi library, the gospel of tomas, ect.

>I'm glad you indirectly admit the Jewish origins of your religion

>Conversions mean nothing.all that matters is substance. Jewish heroes, saints, stories, history, practices, morals, ethics. Open up any single page of the bible and find, for me, one single page free from any Jewish reference.

>Probably more likely to be the collective of jews who wrote the bible, since they see themselves as such.

>I always have. But Christianity is still just as Jewish as Judaism.

I never claimed the origins of Christianity weren't Jewish, however the NT goes against the Jews, they hardly even consider the OT. You never gave me a rebuttal for why The Kabbalah or the Talmud go against the bible, the Shekinah, or how they're the apocalypse religion to Christianity, or how Jesus has gone against the jews.


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>>18077

>>it's not so simple to call Christianity "Jewish", if you look at how it as a result of Christianity instead of it's origin of Judaism

Then can you explain that in all the centuries of White Christians attacking and subverting White Pagans as a divine mission they almost never attack jews, who'd be unbelievers and the killers of Christ but thus are able to run freely over Europe wherever Christians setup.

>>inb4 thrown out of countries

Yeah peacefully and protected, to only come back a generation or two after and get reparations from guilty Whites. I'd call this part of the Christian Cycle where the jewish parasite latches onto the sheep, disattaches and finds another when the first sheep gets to tired and might find out it has a parasite, so the parasite clomps onto another sheep, then when this first sheep is rested and the second is tired the jewish parasite gets back onto the first and the cycle continues.

>>jews desecrate Jesus in the Talmud

So what? Christians have known such a thing for centuries and have never acted upon it. The jews say, "Every page of the Talmud is filled with thoughtful rabbinic opinions which are challenged and critiqued by esteemed colleagues. Yet, the foundation of such disagreements is mutual respect." How do you know such lines in the Talmud are true condemnations of Rabbi Yeshua? And not praises that Rabbi Yeshua, Yawheh, was able to convince all the Goyim into destroying their own idols and praise only him and that the jews would reap the fruits of this labor.

>>the NT goes against the Jews, they hardly even consider the OT

Oh and you know a lot about what jews truly think? How do you know their deity has forsaken them and taken up only Christian values? The jews seem to be doing pretty well now and have been for a long time. Could the jew deity not be a deceiver to non-jews and Christians be willing sacrifices?

Such is the problem in trusting beliefs from foreigners who aren't forced to hold to those same beliefs.


 No.18079

>>18070

what does loki have to do with anything i just stated?


 No.18084

>>18079

Nothing more than a Christcuck saying "pagans ur ghey."


 No.18091

>>18084

I see now, the old loki is gay nonsense

have any of you christcuck faggots actually read the norse myths? if not why the fuck are you even here? You have nothing to say or contribute, you only make fools of yourselves and convince more to our side


 No.18094

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>>18078

>Then can you explain that in all the centuries of White Christians attacking and subverting White Pagans as a divine mission they almost never attack jews

What would you consider a correct respounce? If you look at the 13 century European Christianity, they had Blood libels and Host desecration, Their Expulsion of from Spain, Pope Paul IV issued papal bull Cum nimis absurdum, Luther's 1543 pamphlet On the "Jews and Their Lies", 18th century Poland Russian Orthodox Church's policies on Jews, 1772 Catherine II, the empress of Russia, in the 19 century Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) built the walls of the Jewish ghetto in Rome, and they were restricted to the ghettos throughout the Papal States in 1870.

In the 20th century American Jews petitioned Pope Benedict XV on behalf of the Polish Jews, they go in a Pope who was compromised for them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20091016114240/http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/01/the-holocaust-what-was-not-said-10

>On April 26, 1933 Hitler declared during a meeting with Roman Catholic Bishop Wilhelm Berning (de) of Osnabrück:

>“I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.”

>Christians have known such a thing for centuries and have never acted upon it.

>Yet, the foundation of such disagreements is mutual respect."

In the Middle Ages. The Catholic Church Alleged That the Talmud Contained Blasphemous references of Jesus and censored it in 521.

https://archive.org/details/judaismontrialje00macc

In the book Judaism on trail, Jewish converts to Christianity, such as Pablo Christiani and Nicholas Donin claimed the Talmud contained insulting references to Jesus.

In 1681 Johann Christoph Wagenseil Translated a collection of Anti-Christian Polemics from Jewish sources, the name of the book is "Flaming Arrows of Satan, that is, the secret and horrible books of the Jews against Christ, God and the Christian religion, includes Jesus in the Talmud. The Frist Book Dedicated to topic of Jesus in the Talmud was a Latin book "Jesus in the Talmude" by Rudodlf Martin Meelführer in 1699. In 1700, Johann Andreas Eisenmenger published Entdecktes Judenthum (Judaism Unmasked) Which not only includes Jesus in the Talmud but became the basis of a lot of anti-semitic literature like "The Talmud Unmasked in 1892 by Justinas Bonaventure.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/20847401/does-martin-luther-bear-some-responsibility-for-the-holocaust

>And by the 1930s at least, the Nazis were well aware of Luther's anti-Semitic work and used it to justify their actions. On the Jews and Their Lies was displayed prominently in a glass case during the Nuremberg rallies, and Nazi bigwigs regularly cited Luther as a kindred spirit. “No judgment could be sharper,” Heinrich Himmler said of Luther's writings against the Jews; “With Luther,”

It wasn't mutual respect, them mocking God influenced a lot of anti-semitism.

>How do you know such lines in the Talmud are true condemnations of Rabbi Yeshua? And not praises that Rabbi Yeshua,

Because it claims hes boiling in excrement in hell. Also in Gittin 57a mentioning the nobleman Onkelos conjuring the tormented spirit of "Yeshu", you wouldn't normally site a common jewish name of a man by tormenting his spirit.

>Yawheh, was able to convince all the Goyim into destroying their own idols and praise only him and that the jews would reap the fruits of this labor.

You could say they're just pretending to hate him, or they they don't really hate him, hes clearly caused centuries of divinely inspired hatred against them that has it itself gone to influence other culture of anti-semitism.

>Oh and you know a lot about what jews truly think?

>How do you know their deity has forsaken them and taken up only Christian values?

Because of the purpose of Christ.

>The jews seem to be doing pretty well now and have been for a long time.

In becoming their own messiah they will complete a satanic end game, along with their pagan secret societies.

>Could the jew deity not be a deceiver to non-jews and Christians be willing sacrifices?

If believe God is the devil then say why you believe that theosophy lie.

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=F3u4iSVpbBw


 No.18116

our ancestors quickly and eagerly gave up their paganism thousands of years ago, after Christ came.

If you want to honor them you must emulate them.




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