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 No.8030

Are Freyja and Frigg the same? It would make a lot of sense, they have very similar characteristics and their husbands are essentially the same deity. Odr and Odinn are almost certainly the same. Their names are in fact the same word, the only difference is Odinn is definite accusative while Odr is indefinite nominative.

If they are the same, what would that mean for the Vanir? I've heard theories that the Vanir weren't actually considered a separate group until right before the conversion to Christianity.

What are your thoughts on this?

 No.8032

>implying ancient wars fought between two clans of gods isn't an ancient indo European theme

your post is like a something pleasant taste at first with a shit aftertaste, your stuff about frigga is interesting at least. One thing is that friggs is said to have prophetic powers, something normally only vanir possess like freyja. A similar problem comes where heimdall is described in the eddas as have "senses like vanir" implying he has prophetic powers and is of vanir origin, but the description is vague and in most sources heimdall is specifically called aesir


 No.8033

>>8032

put Christnigger flag in on accident loool


 No.8035

>>8032

I wasn't saying anything about the Vanir. The one thing I was saying was that Freyja and Frigg seem like they might be the same. About the Vanir I was only asking if this would mean anything regarding them. I just wanted your opinions and mentioned one theory I heard tied in with the theory that Freyja and Frigg are the same.


 No.8037

>>8035

Well it would make sense because, as we have discussed before in other threads, a common archetype among the European peoples is the sky father and earth mother pairing

Wotan is the sky father, a role once played by Tiwaz whose name literally means "sky father", and the Earth mother would appear to be Frigga. However Thor is mentioned as the son of Odin and "the earth" but this figure if very vague, its possible its just a kenning for Frigga. Before Frigga it was Nerthus who took the Earth mother role with Tiwaz (presumably, we know Nerthus was the earth mother from Tactitus and that her name is connected to "erth"


 No.8045

Keep in mind our mythology is a blend of exaggerated historical retellings, bland religious filler, and insightful allegories.

Try not to read too much into any particulars. Look at the myriad of names Odin has. The gods, much like ourselves, are a dynamic representation of a myriad of archetypes put forward in the form of stories.

Sometimes it helps to make cross cultural comparisons; Tiwaz is etymologically linked to Zeus and Deus. The Aesir-Vanir war has parallels to the war of the Titans where the Olympic gods overthrew an older set of gods.

Back to your question: Freyja and Frigg may be more like two sides of the same coin, as with Odr and Odin. I think the Vanir are generally symbolic of primal, cyclical forces and the Aesir symbolize higher aspects of the mind. There probably is some historicity to ancient tribal invasions. And sometimes stories are just stories.




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