/loomis/ - Art Gains

I personally prefer the Wacom Intuos5/pro. It's just a solid tablet that does what I need it to do. The touch features and extra buttons are fairly worthless because everyone uses their keyboard for shortcuts and a mouse should be on your desk anyway.

I've used Cintiq tablets but they're fairly overhyped. You draw on a surface that isn't directly over the screen so it feels like you're not connecting with what you're drawing. It's like pointing at a map at a museum but your finger hits the protective glass before reaching its destination. Your aim is slightly off and while you can calibrate it, the same problem still creeps up. For me it wasn't very ergodynaymc and regular tablets keep me in a more upright position. A minor thing is that it's kinda annoying seeing your hand all the time. When working traditionally you tend to hold your brush at its end and this lets you see around where you're painting however the way you hold a Wacom pen doesn't allow you to do that so you're stuck having your hand cover part of the screen.

From talking to other artists, it looks like the preference between the Intuos and Cintiqs mostly comes down to how you approach your work. People that prefer drawing tend to use Cintiqs and those that go for a painterly approach use Intuos. This isn't always the case but it's a trend I've noticed. A lot just comes down to personal preference

>>1809

I was thinking about this huion tablet. http://www.amazon.com/Huion-H610PRO-Painting-Drawing-Graphics/dp/B00GIGGS6A

>>1809

I just wish it was wired instead of wireless. Can it be used wired?

>>1814

The Huion I posted does have a wireless function I believe. The H610 doesn't though as far as I'm aware. I remember I bought this tablet for a friend and tried it out a little. It seemed pretty good, but honestly if you can save your money a larger tablet like the one I have or the new Huion Giano I posted is ideal. Drawing on small tablets is a lot like having the sensitivity on your mouse cranked up high.

>>1815

Ah okay, I was just worried about latency from the wireless. The Giano is on sale for 120$ which is affordable and I also found this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Huion-Digital-Graphic-Tablets-Drawing/dp/B00L9VBF9O

It's a touch bigger but still not as big as the Giano.

>>1818

Having a tablet as large as I do changes everything. There's something to be said for being able to put your entire arm into every line you make. If the Giano doesn't end up being a huge piece of shit for other reasons like driver issues and so on it will definitely be the best non-cintiq tablet on the market, dollar for dollar.

>>1826

Man I hope it works out okay then. I really need a new tablet and wanted a fuckhuej one without breaking the bank over it.

>>1827

It starts shipping out mid-january supposedly so I'd hold off until the reviews start coming in.shortly thereafter.

Personally I'm waiting for them to announce a new Cintiq Companion which should be within the next couple of months. I want to be able to draw outside and at work and stuff.

>>1805

I heard you can just take the screen protector off of a Cintiq with absolutely no problems other than greasing up the screen over time with skin oil. That can be fixed by just wearing one of those half-gloves.

>>1828

It is on sale for only 120$. I don't think it will still be on sale after release.

I've been wondering this since I see that tablets have pressure, but do tablets also have things like rotation and shit with the pen? Like for example if I was using a brush and I wanted to make a solid, fat line on my canvas with one brush and then rotate it so I could brush a little gentle brush? I'm trying to learn how to do painting digitally now and I want something that makes me feel like I'm using a brush and not a pen.

>>1832

A lot of wacom's tablets do have rotation and so on as far as I'm aware, but not all. I honestly couldn't tell you which particular ones do, unfortunately.

>>1826

I never actually had another tablet, but the more I use it, the more I realize how important size is.

I'd actually prefer not having sensitivity at all if it meant not having to use a smaller tablet.

The most important thing to consider is if it runs flawlessly with the software you're gonna use.

>>1834

There's a mini wacom bundled with Artrage 4 Lite, I did try the demo using a mouse and I thought it could be useful but the way to try to make different strokes is a bit difficult. I'm unsure if that one does or not especially since it comes bundled with a painting program.

>>1834

I know my intuos 4 has tilt sensitivity.

The problem is pressure sensors go in the direction of the tip, so if tilt you have to press a lot harder, unlike with real pencil or brush.

>>1839

There's also the problem with stylus tips wearing out.

It's not that bad if you don't care about tilt sensitivity, but if you do tilt it and the tip wears out unevenly you get a lot of irregular scratching and resistance.

>>1837

>just starting with a small tablet

>feel like learning to draw with such a tiny tablet is going to fuck me over in the long run

>can't afford a bigger one

>see posts like this

I even had a much bigger one at first, but it was a Monoprice and I could not for the life of me get it to actually work due to shitty drivers, so I ended up returning it and getting a tiny Wacom instead for the same price.

>>1842

Solution:

draw with pencil

scan

color with tablet

>>1843

>scan

Don't scanners cost more money than tablets? Plus I really don't feel like having to deal with physical supplies, and correcting mistakes is a bitch on paper, etc etc.

>>1846

>correcting mistakes is a bitch on paper

For the purpose of learning this is perfect.

>Don't scanners cost more money than tablets?

Depends on the tablet.

If you don't have one you can just use a camera and retrace it.

It's not so much about the detail and more about getting the gesture down without being hampered by ergonomics.

There's even some pros who still use this workflow.

>>1847

>However some people can do great things with them-it's just an uphill battle

This is also true.

We're just talking about the ideal environment.

When digital art was in it's infancy people still made amazing stuff with hardware that would be considered toasters today.

>>1849

Yeah I think on the software side of things Peter Mohrbacher uses Photoshop cs2 or something ridiculously old like that to this day. I'm often surprised to find that a lot of artists I admire have worse or even far worse equipment and software than I do (though I think Mohrbacher might be a bad example because if I recall correctly he draws traditionally and then scans it in).

>>1851

>Yeah I think on the software side of things Peter Mohrbacher uses Photoshop cs2 or something ridiculously old like that to this day.

I'm not surprised.

Photoshop hasn't added any substantial features for illustrators in the past 10 years.

It's not like there's nothing left do add either.

Last time I checked you still required third party tools to get a decent color picker.

Look at Krita with their new instant preview feature.

They had decades to come up with something similar.

>>1853

I think that at the pace Krita's been improving in 5 years commercial digital painting software will be obsolete.

>>1854

Krita is fucking amazing. I tried it like a year or so ago and hated it, then tried it again a few days and and it immediately became my favorite program. They really have been improving a shitload.

>>1855

A year ago it barely worked on my high-spec laptop but now it's great. It's come a long way. I can't wait for animation to be integrated (I've tried the beta but it seems to make it run a little slow again for me).

>>1813

I have one, it's nice.

>>1826

>>1827

I got a 610 Pro. The drivers now come with a CD. You just have to uninstall your previous Wacom driver in order for it to work. Mine was called "Bamboo".

>>1809

Is there an update on this now that it's out? Is it good?