World Scrabble Championship won by Brit with ‘braconid’
>A braconid is a parasitic wasp, and because Brett Smitheram knew the word and how to spell it, he’s 7,000 euros richer and the World Scrabble Champion
24-year-old Oregon man wins national Scrabble championship
>Conrad Bassett-Bouchard started his championship Scrabble game Wednesday with the word “zilch” and finished with the opposite – the $10,000 prize and the title of national Scrabble champion
One of world's most prominent Scrabble players banned temporarily for cheating
>It appears that during competition Allan Simmons would draw a tile and, if he didn’t like it, sneakily replace it and draw another. He denied the accusation, leveled by the Association of British Scrabble Players
He Wrote The Book(s) On Scrabble. But Has He Been Playing By The Letter Of The Law?
>He has won the Scrabble national championship in the United Kingdom. Self-described as "the world's only scrabble consultant," he has penned or co-written a number of books on the game, including several authoritative reference works
Scrabble With The Stars spells success for PAL Toronto charity
>Jazz artist/composer Fern Lindzon is one of the resident experts the annual Scrabble with the Stars event, which raises money for PAL Toronto, a charity to provides affordable housing for retired artists and arts workers
j.ewesses now occupy this thread
>westie doesn't fuck slags because he doesn't want HPV
just grow a massive bush and wear a condom I say
also my solution for herpes
a poor solution for cabs though
I have nothing against the Goblines, my only judgement criteria are ass'n'titties. I have no biases when I say that they're all bug looking. This lass is fine and portman is fine, but they're both just like 6-6.5/10.
Are there no pretty jew lasses?
Depends on what you like.
I could go digging for swarthy full lipped Goblines.
nah I'll do it myself later and set an example
nice excuse to get back on pinterest and harvest
>overarching silent plotline of Yahweh being a multi universe travelling sentient ai
Jesus fuck they're pulling it off as well, this is incredible
The long earth series, pratchett and Baxter
On book 3 and I'm in awe at the size of this literary unit
>tfw live too far north to see Rho Ophiuchi, above Wojaks left shoulder
Ohhhhh I remember now
Sounds red pilled af tbh
dw lad it's all a hologram anyway
looks like amy schumer
A shame but not an unwarranted consequence of her actions I suppose
she looked so normal before they took her to hospital what did they do to her
bad photo angle and no-minimal makeup for one
also brain damage
think he was joking because the caption implies that the photo was taken just before she was taken to hospital
should ban makeup tbf have you seen those asian women comparisons before and after
>no makeup turns her into anne marie waters with makeup
Straight over my head tbh
Why would I want to ban something that makes club slags more palatable? madness.
You soon see them w/o it after a time. What should be something legally disclosed is cosmetic surgery, and genetic modification when that starts being a thing
they use baby foreskins to make the products
well so long as they aren't using adult foreskins lasd
theyll come for you soon snip snip
Well so long as they leave the bell lad
what are you even implying with this
have you had your briss yet
I wanna slap those baps around tbh
would be a right laugh
You mean fresh breakfast Barm Cakes?
hate how this incel thing is becoming so talked about
same tbh. can't help but feel that normoids actually enjoy ruining memes
me and a friend were talking about how 4 years ago we never expected the world/internet to be anything like this
this timeline is mad
i mean look at some shit like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-44053828
What's wrong with it
Engine mounts, brake hose, 2 tyres, power steering pump leak, bulbs, horn, washer spray
It was a gradual and yet fast change. I can't quite pinpoint it but the internet definitely used to feel much more different.
No clue why these people are so hooked in to the current memery and yet, are at the same time completely oblivious. Feels very odd.
My little sister and father mentioned incels like 2-3 weeks ago. ODD.
They genuinely believe that incels are a terrorist group
Normies are that ignorant of memes
Normie perception of internet subcultures and memes is completely laughable tbh. I just don't have any words for how strange the current dynamic is
non-hairy fannies are actually disgusting
Dunno lad I like a landing strip tbh, otherwise its like cryptopedoism
read my post again
Hairy =\= styled tbh
>st austell proper job ipa
Wew it tastes even better from a bottle tbh
landing strip is shit
i want a big hairy bush
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Gotta get them phyto oestrogens tbh
is there anywhere in this country that is left unboojified?
some council estates probably
hatred of the council estate is honestly sickening, i want to shove all boojies into them and force them to survive
As in gentrification? Most of the north and west I think
Don't you live in st Ives commuter territory
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>we're poor round here
>run home and lock your door
gentrification is more of a clear visible symptom of boojification
>st ives commuter territory
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Old Benny boy does go in hard
Isn't Portland a suburb of other rich towns
its an island on its own connected to a town
Yeah, is it not the rich belt around a bit town? Like west hove to Brighton, or westhampnett to Chichester etc
its not rich outside of new developments hence my opposition to the boojies, poor is good
not really a belt tbf
We got new developments of rich commuters, every car is leased and every house looks the fuckibg same
fuckloads of gear money though, literally paved with flake, there's cuckoos from London coming down to run it, dunno what it's like in Dorset
the same mostly, tho most of them come here to retire due to nojobs
wouldn't have seen any of this 20 years ago
why do they do it
every councillor will suffer a fate worse than death
I'm in a retirement town too, albeit a up-til-recently deprived one
much more concerned with the new markets they are making - 1000 middle class houses is like £3k a week in weed and sniff at minimum, there will be war
I been to some of the new housing estates and its full of sniff and weed, they all do it
too true there will be war, there must be, there has to be
Not joking lads this series is incredible, like someone bred Douglas Adams and Kim Stanley RoThe Poster Formerly Known As Binson
Reeeeee anshit you cunt
>RoThe Poster Formerly Known As The Poster Formerly Known As Binson
It is nice out tbf
long earth? will check out down the road
I read a lot of SciFi but there isn't anything that is as big as this, its making KSRs mars books seem like pointless guff
This is supposed to be soft SciFi but Jesus Christ is it pushing what that means
Its not even like pratchett has just edited a SciFi novel, this is like he's put parts of discworld on a meth binge
>A second British amateur rugby player has died after complaining of breathing difficulties on returning from a nightclub in Sri Lanka
Don't trust this at all, someting gwan
>falling asleep sitting up
smh I need to go to lidl too
dodgy sri lankan party drugs?
Smart money would be on fentanyl
It seems to be the devil's drug these days
just dropping by, not done yet
retreated from druidpol too smh
brevity is the soul of wit
oi dorshit get on shitscord if you still want to do a house share, I'm moving into a single room in a month otherwise
if you need my ID it's Tyburn#9009
Go to bed you moron
Take some drugs then
Only have caffeine and tramadol, but that's why I was falling asleep standing up in.
Need to go to lidl because I have literally no alcohol in the house. Even used up my hip flask reserves yesterday.
Are you doing opiates every day lad?
This should be an impossibility, if I get below 10 bottles of whisky I'll buy more before buying k
*opoids for correctness I guess
>Are you doing opiates every day lad?
Only took tramadol last night because I hadn't had enough to drink.
Didn't actually sleep on it, instead was up until about 4 half asleep but not really, hence why I'm fucked today.
Dorset is kind of dangerous, are you sure you want to live with him?
in a min fam hol up
he's only really a danger to himself tbqh
Hope you're doing alright lad, good news on the room
Glad to hear
hi and good bye m'lad
hope youre keeping well
dorset is the personification of grumpy cat
he'd struggle to hurt flies
just go to the petrol station when you wake up at 4am lad
Would sniff coke off her tits/10
do like a lass w/ tattoos tbh
see you around wessman
>The Israeli government argues that the crowds of mostly young Palestinians at the Gaza fence offer a lethal threat to peaceful Israelis. The claim is as ludicrous as it is cynical. Even if one or two protesters broke through the fence they would have nowhere to go except into the arms of the Israeli security forces, who could easily detain them. The Palestinian interlopers have no allies on the Israeli side of the fence, nor any transport to take them to populated parts of Israel. Nor are they armed. It is clear from video footage that they have no suicide belts round their waists, or guns in their hands. Occasional stones were the only weapons.
>instead, Israeli snipers used live ammunition against demonstrators, wounding thousands in the legs but also killing dozens
Wtf bibi sort yourself out you cunt
*appears again to shit out a post before running back into the woods like bigfoot*
see shitscord again I'll be an hour late to the meet, got to have a jobcentre phone call first, gives me a chance to yell at them about not being contact-able and ignoring my emails and that
That was the grauniad btw, this is the beebs flavour
>Another death was reported on Tuesday - a 51-year-old man - but calm mostly prevailed as the dead were buried.
>Israel has faced international condemnation over the deaths, from the UN, UK, France, Russia and others.
>Israel has defended its actions, and the US has voiced its support
what's that single room thingo like?
I have a very difficult time believing either side of the Gaza narrative. Israel and Palestine are really desperate to get the most gold medals at the oppression olympics.
It'd be great if we could just leave them to eat eachother
Why the fuck is the Gaza strip the 3rd most densely populated place on earth
You'd probably be breeding too if you thought you were 5 minutes away from getting bombed
SAY IT WITH ME
The Israelis moved the vast majority of Palestinians from all across the country into these little pockets of land so I guess the density is artificially compressed.
I really couldn't care less about either party and think whoever manages to conquer the area wins tbh
Israelis have the tech
Muzzies have the hoardes
>this /soyboys/ board
sweet mother of qeeq
They deported them? keeq I didn't know that, I assumed the arabs ran there when Israel were declared.
Good evening. I hope everyone had a good day and made the most of this nice weather.
>not tired anymore
Make your mind up, body
Bishops condemn Israel 'unequivocally' over 'horrifying' use of live bullets in Gaza
>the bishop of Southwark Christopher Chessun, who regularly travels to Gaza, has said he is 'horrified' at the use of live fire by Israeli forces which led to 60 deaths on the Strip yesterday and condemned Israel's actions 'unequivocally'
>Chessun called for an easing of travel restrictions in and out of the occupied enclave, especially for medical reasons
>in a separate joint statement, Bishop Chessun and Bishop Lang said: "The terrible loss of life in Gaza caused by the Israeli army's use of live fire against civilians is to be condemned unequivocally."
"Will Gaza deaths awake world to Palestinians’ rights?", asks Christian Aid
>Christian Aid’s head of Middle East Policy, William Bell, said that the “vast majority” of those protesting were doing so “because they refuse to live any longer in despair and without dignity"
>Bell asked: "Will Gaza in 2018 become that moment in history when the world finally woke up and recognised the legitimate rights of Palestinians, not to displace Israelis or deny them their rights, but to live alongside them as equals with dignity and respect?”
>a statement from Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), which is treating the wounded, said that it was “unbearable to witness such a massive number of unarmed people being shot in such a short time”, saying that 91% of trauma patients were shot in the legs, many at close range, and that several would be disabled for life
I've been thinking about this webm all day aaaaaahhhh.
Been out too long today smh. I had to make a detour to take a lost doggo home (again).
I could barely get out of bed this morning but now I'm wide awake. I think it's just the temperature dropping to a more reasonable level.
>I've been thinking about this webm all day aaaaaahhhh.
It's adorable and makes me feel gooey.
>when the search for thots leads you closer to portman
Whore of Babylon
>you'll never marry portman
why actually even live
if you came into my bar would you tip me?
not even because I'm jealous that they never put me on bar duty either
>Tips at a bar
Who does this?
just bought the MDE book pdf tbh
It depends how good your service is lad. Non-yanks shouldn't require tips smh.
people who want special treatment. you wanna not wait 20 minutes at bar? slide em a tenner
yeah but who even goes to bars?
my service is excellent
No bars near me, only pubs
standard procedure is you go
pub -→ bar –→ club
on a given night out tbh
Pints at pub, shots and cocktails at bar, and preferably as little as possible in the adult ball pit
I guess if you have LITERALLY no bars you'd alter it to:
prinks in a park → double vodka redbulls at spoons until the local club will have a reasonable amount of people in it → club
legit looks like a man wtf
your opinion doesn't count here
I like girls who smile like this
they're my favourites
not quite lad
also she looks so heroin chic here it's even too much for me
posted the wrong image tbh
portman gets prettier the more heroin chic she gets
Tfw best friends ive ever had are ones ive never met in person
when are you going to marry pembs
You two would be cute together
going to marry a thicc black woman lads
when did you become Neo?
think the jews got to him
natalie all up in her port maaaaaaaaaan
Gayism is bad but those two are unsalvageable
we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. none the less I thank you for another pretty smile girl
you need to go out more
says the rude ill mannered cunt nobody likes who just spams images of ugly jew goblins like a retarded person because he's got nothing going on upstairs
I like him
also lad you're not supposed to show people when you're offended
>tfw guy who did this said it was a dumb and pointless thing to do
what a kind hearted young man
are the people in that vid speaking english
How the fuck is he still alive
shoenice has been doing this for 20 years and he's some how still kickin
probably not "living" so much though
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top kek shoenice you seen this vid
Damn right I have lad I think I've seen all of metokurs videos.
Shoenice is an interesting guy. Basically a microcosm of some of the uglier aspects of the human psyche
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mah bih luv do cocaine
>tfw no pangolin companion
Dang son yo momma ugly
Breakfast in enemy territory lads
fucking woke up late fuck
anyway breakfast consists of melted butter and oats and a banana
time to lift in a minute
looks like she has negro blood
Got the van up on bricks, gonna be a shitty long day of grazed knuckles and copious swearing
Shit weather aye?
wish you good luck chum, wish i was that practical
yeah smh, not too bad, but i suppose it is to be expected after a week of nothing but clear sky
me and wess schedule to meet monday tbh
>black enough for liberals to champion, white enough that those around him were able to treat him as one of their own
99% of being practical (and therefore also proactive) is just being willing to fuck it all up royally, lad
GOODlad I'm glad
Leave the baby alone
I remember the first one lmao isn't it older than you?
Lad it came out in 2007?
Those boots look like the underside of turf.
Oh shit lmao
Thought it was blueshift era smh
who is this queer
he's a womble
They're Valenki, snow boots that are supposedly very comfy and good.
Lmao, the book is older than you tho tbh.
>yfw it gets skyrim'd
>he isn't looking forward to Metro: Exodus
I DON'T KNOW THE REASON OR WHAT IS THE SEASON
>massive spider in the bathroom yesterday
>scared to go and have a shit
Pick it up and throw it outside lad smh
Pro-lifers attend last major rally before Irish referendum
>in the last major pro-life rally ahead of Ireland’s May 25 referendum on whether to liberalise the country’s abortion laws, thousands gathered to say “no” to far-reaching proposals that could see abortion on demand up to 12 weeks, and even later in some cases
>in less than two weeks, people in Ireland will be asked if they wish to repeal Article 40.3.3 of the Constitution, known as the Eighth Amendment, which enshrined a ban on abortion in 1983 and gives equal right to life to the mother and the unborn child
>polls indicate that the “yes” campaign to repeal the Eighth Amendment currently polls at 45% of voters, the gap between the two sides has been narrowing in recent weeks, with 34% saying “no” and 18% of voters still undecided; nearly 4% gave no opinion
Spiders are friends.
abortion makes me sick
only goes to show how anti-human and evil some people are
>abortion makes me sick
As it should for all sane, moral people. It is murder of the cruelest sort as it takes away a life that hasn't even been given an opportunity to begin.
Even rape babies?
The Mullallyfication of the Church of England
>why was Sarah Mullally chosen to be Bishop of London? This position of pre-eminence naturally cries out for a distinguished priest who is phenomenally gifted or has made a remarkable contribution to church and society
>what are Mother Mullally's towering achievements and phenomenal gifts that qualify her to be appointed to the third most important bishopric in England? Mullally's crowning glory is that she is afeminist and so 'necessarily subversive' as she portrays herself in her debut sermon
>'It's not just gender; it's also your background that's equally important,' she adds. Translated from Anglican virtue-signalling gobbledygook into English, Mullally was chosen to be Bishop of London because she's a woman who went to a comp school and polytechnic and trained at Saint Mickey Mouse Seminary
The Church of England is secularism dressed up in vestments.
it is still murder/killing
The value of a human and their right to life isn't determined by how they were conceived. Killing a baby that had no control in how it came to be in this world is a far more evil act than rape.
rape babies should be sent to military from birth to be raised as super soldiers
Would you advise your mother/sister to keep a rape baby then?
You're fucking disgusting people if so
We won't get starship troopers any other way smh
can't you use contraception after you've been raped?
*uses BLACK MAGIC to do the rain dance*
>advise your mother/sister to keep a rape baby then?
>f*cking disgusting people if so
Do you support murdering all humans that are a product of rape, no matter their age? Rather hypocritical not to lad.
That's the next question tbh, I assume godboy thinks life starts at conception
There has to be some provision for if the woman can't access that though, no?
>looks like it is about to rain outside here
I guess I can exercise another day.
Top kek, at least you're consistent
I reckon the woman should get the final choice, not me
No, I'm just saying that it is killing, no so much tied to the morality as something else is, but I acknowledge it and know it an evil thing, even if sometimes it may be deemed necessary by the philosopher king
but it does start at conception
abortion is just the modern answer to the age old problem of unwanted children that has existed for all of human history tbqh
Fair enough, I don't agree that early abortions are killing a human though
>letting women decide things
well it doesn't matter because you're wrong
you don't get to decide when life begins or what is killing
Not sentience though
Good point, but we've always had abortion as the answer?
Hardly, that human's father was a rapist and so that human should be punished for the actions of another person. It is only fair to counter one evil by committing another evil that is far worse.
>the woman should get the final choice
She has the choice whether she wishes to raise the child or give it up for adoption. She doesn't have the choice of whether another human should live or not.
then why weren't you aborted?
I've yet to see evidence that the average woman would make worse decisions than any of you
>I don't get to decide
Quite right too
sentience is not the basis for life you moron
life is a life, whether it is some lowly slug or some super high IQ autiste, it is objectively alive when it is conceived
over 95% of abortions are on demand for no reason
Idealistic and naive, we already have a problem with state wards and a lack of adopters
If you say so
>I'm the moron
Are you a vegan then?
And I disagree with all of these
No because I never said I had a moral problem with killing something if necessary
women are simply unable to make rational decisions my boy, the father of the woman or husband would of course be the logical choice in who decides what
of course the rapist shall be personally executed by them
if the family want to kill the child, they may do so and I care little, my point is that it is killing
Animals cannot be murdered
An animal is not sentient
Embryos before x point are not sentient
Embryos cannot be murdered
>women are unable to make rational decisions
Fuck off lad you don't know anything about women
>sentience is the basis for life
had the same argument with some dumb libfag woman
hit a nerve have we lass?
But fair enough I can see your point on the killing, though I disagree hugely
If a child is born and isn't sentient, and you kill them, is that murder? Yes.
>idealistic and naïve
The baby is completely innocent, murdering it won't make it so that the rape never took place.
We should determine life by the number of fingers instead tbh lad. Anyone who has less than ten should be shot as they cannot contribute to society and anyone with more than ten should be hung for being a witch.
Animals don't have souls, humans do.
"Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee…" (Jeremiah 1:5)
Nobody has said sentience = life
I said sentience = humanity
>hit a nerve
Yeah lad, same as groundless racism
Some women are more rational, successful and valuable than anybody here
False supermacy needs to die
>I said sentience = humanity
Heard the exact same thing from dumb libfag women
They only think that feelings make someone human
doesn't matter what you think is "human", it is still alive, it is killing
you are a vile "human", if I can even call you that
fuck off paki
I disagree with the Bible, I am of the stance that humanity is sentience
None of us are biologists, your stance is just as dumb as mine, but you are too stupid to realise it
Killing =\= murder
You're trying to strawman because its more comfortable for you
Nope, do you even see it as killing?
Dehumanisation is what you have been fed.
Sit down and shut the fuck up. Maybe you should have been aborted.
I don't see it as murder until there is sentience
I'm logically consistent lad
if you feel nothing at watching a child being torn to shreds coming out of a cunt in some satanic worship, I feel sorry for you, soulless prick
Not being able to avoid conflation is a serious flaw tbh
vanlad fallen for modern tricks again smh
Ending life = killing, its in the definition lad
False conceit mate
So you support killing? Ok
Where necessary, yed
I'm going to kill you then
Don't support murder though
*allows life to form in my belly but gets a jewish doctor to claw in my fanny and tear it out bit by bit in a worship of satan and then I have depressive episodes for the rest of my life*
I only support it in medically required and rape cases, you're strawmanning again babe
I support you being abortioned because you are medically required
Its murder as I'm sentient mate, not abortion, keep up
You don't get to decide what's sentient
>not wanting to unborn children to be killed is stupid
No, and neither do you
We can have an opinion on it though
Shame you go full emotional argument as soon as someone disagrees
I think following a book written by Jews is the height of stupidity
It's not my opinion, it is objective fact
>waah my opinion is shit so therefore yours is stoopid too
you aren't in a position to shout da jooz, you are a pawn of them more than any of us here
>an opinion is objective
you are nothing but opinions, and no fact
You'd be doing yourself a disservice if you actually believed that
>killing children is anti-Jewish and therefore implicit huwhite identity
why dont you go racemix, do some drugs, worship some trees and contribute to the degradation of all that is good
>allowing mixed race rape babies is better than aborting them
as opposed to just mixed race babies?
While you sit and stew without achieving anything? Sure thing m9
all your achievements are negative
Just pointing out the obvious lad, you know my thoughts on meritocratic breeding
they are retarded
You've all got shit arguments that aren't consistent except for ad hominem attacks or strawmen
You're worse than niggers
t. thinks theres nothing wrong with killing babies
Now you're moving up the poor argument pyramid, nice work
now if you excuse me i have 2kg of chicken to eat
Thanks for gracing us with your presence
>2 kilos of chicken
*1.5kg chicken and 500g of transfats
2 and a half
also got given about 1kg of kfc chicken spicy wings which i ate yesterday
Is there anything more ugly that oak furniture? No, no there isn't. Not even my face.
New haircut lads
Grade on on the sides. I look fucking SIKK
the value of a human life is vastly overstated tbf
Sentience shouldn't be the defining factor here. The child WILL grow to be a live human given 9 months.
It also raises the question as to whether or not it is okay to kill retards as they often lack sentience
I do believe the act of abortion to be murder tbh
Literally my best ever haircut
>the child WILL grow
Demonstrably false, it has a certain percentage chance of surviving a full term
>all human life is equally valuable
This is what you are saying
you both should die
>believe abortion is murder
Fair though, that's a reasonable position
You should study critical thinking
lol @ u if you think you are an epic critical thinker
So the % chance of it miscarrying or being a still born prevents it from being a human?
I don't believe that's what I said. What I said was is that human life is human life. You can't put a condition on humanity. That isn't to say that all humans are equally valuable, in fact 90% of all humans have no worth at all. They are all still humans none the less
We all will eventually lad
Did I say I thought I was lad? That's what I mean, you aren't addressing the substance of any argument
I don't have to waste my time with you.
No point arguing with the baby-killer lad.
Imo point at which a fetus develops sentience is the start of its humanity, that's not difficult to comprehend
>can't put a condition
But you are doing just that by saying a fetus is a human
I have yet to decide whether or not I object to abortion myself
it is still murder no matter how you want to categorise the growing fetus
You are shamefully stupid, I hope you don't procreate
Not procreating would be better than having a bunch of mutty paki kids
>lol ur arguments are stoopid
>makes an even bigger stoopid argument
Answer the question
No? You genuinely believe that we think sperm are human? Holy fuck you are dumb, do you even understand what "life at conception" means?
So its the moment a sperm penetrates an egg that is the start of life?
You aren't even listening are you
You can't defend your point critically, its all insults
Anybody else want to answer? When does "human life" start exactly?
It seems small minded to not acknowledge that the fetus will develop sentience if left unhindered. you are preventing an organism from achieving humanity, is that not the same as killing an organism with humanity?
>you are doing that
fair point tbh. I guess what I meant to say was that a HUMAN BEING is a biological organism whether you want to ascribe sentience to it or not.
Sperms are diploid cells they have no potential to become a human unless mixed with an egg
a zygote however *is* human
I want to know your answer, you are stupid to imply my answer from the question
>a HUMAN BEING is a biological organism whether you want to ascribe sentience to it or not.
he doesnt believe this
You are not worthy of my time, degenerate.
Human life occurs when the biological organism is formed - when the egg and the sperm join to create the.. uhh.. 46? chromosomes
It seems rational to end the definition there as after that the life can take different forms or be terminated along that path
Sentience seems more like a point where value is added to the otherwise pointless clump of cells imo
>is that not the same as killing
Its killing but not murder
>the zygote is human
Fair point of view, that's what I was looking for
Basically a biblical stance
it's not necessarily cut and dry tbf
it's not like we're arguing with facts and studies
Don't eat chips before going on a run lads, it won't go well.
>value of a human life is vastly overstated tbf
There is value in every human life because we are all created in the image of God and we are all loved by Him.
an objective stance, no matter how much you try and call it "jewish", despite the fact that abortion is basically jewish run
Agreed, exactly as your last point lad
>Sentience seems more like a point where value is added to the otherwise pointless clump of cells imo
The fetus is valueless in itself, unless it is wanted by the parents, IMO at least
I've not once argued that all abortion is fine, just that it isn't murder
You've shown you have no idea what I believe
I've not once argued that all abortion is fine, just that it isn't murder
Strawmen like that clay army the sliteye emperor had made tbh
I can understand that view
I think its worse to throw a child into state care than terminate a fetus, but that's more a criticism of our government than support for abortion if you think about it
>just that it isn't murder
because you don't even see it as killing
No, I do see it as killing, where have I said otherwise
look at how he dehumanises by calling them "fetus"
it's a fetus, not a baby, a fetus. just some clump of cells.
>I don't agree that early abortions are killing a human
Killing =\= murder
What's so hard to grasp in my viewpoint
You don't have to agree with the dictionary though
ohhh I follow. so you're saying that murder can only be performed on the sentient? I think I follow but care to expand?
essentially aye. "at the point of conception" has a nice ring to it.
Makes me want to puke tbh
Indeed the fetus is valueless. Although to be clear I would say this about any live human that either had no potential to achieve or one who had squandered their potential and achieved nothing.
I don't think being valueless ultimately changes the fact that it is still a human being. After all it is murder to kill a valueless NEET coach potato who will fail to procreate, right?
>where have I said otherwise
>gets proven wrong
>y-yeah well its not the same thing
You're right, I don't believe its as valuable as a human until its sentient
You can't murder something that's not human
You are welcome to argue that something with the potential to be human is equal to a human though, in fact I invite you to
Its in the dictionary lad
You're conflating killing and murder
im going to come and abort you, tear you from this earthly womb piece by piece
Its not complex, read the dictionary defs of each word, lmfao
You thick cunt, you couldn't rip a fart
>makes me want to puke tbh
Eating chips before exercising or knowing God loves each and every one of us even from the moment we are conceived in the womb?
you think youre so smart dontya
Yahweh can get to fuck
Jesus is my homeboy though
kill yourself pagansperg
The opposite lad, I know I'm a moron, I'm just a logically consistent moron
then shut it rudeboi
They are one and the same though lad.
I know what the Trinity is lass, I don't agree it's true though
don't need to
your child killing support is enough for eternal pain
Your support for mixie kiddies to have shit lives in state care at our expense is worse than the necessary evil of aborting rape babies
These generalisations are the only way you can criticise my arguments, lmao
You'd make those children carry babies to full term
And now I'm angry
as opposed to mixie kiddies brought up by a druggie alchie pagan?
>ignores my earlier points that I don't care about killing in certain cases
Lel keep trying mate
So you mean we agree?
You've conflated so many things here lad
On certain things
You might want to look at this, and think where you are on it
Both I suppose
>killing - depriving of life
>murdering - unlawful killing of another yuman bean
so define humanity right? I define a human being as the 46 chromosomes. you define it as sentience (I assume for the specific human animal, and not generally)
>not a human until sentient
Even if we follow your definition don't you think that it's a little unfair to say that the insentient fetus can't be /murdered/ because it will develop sentience if unhindered? don't you think that denying said fetus the ability to *achieve* sentience is equal to murdering one with sentience?
man this cut is so hot it could fall on my pillow in the night and start a house fire
there was prolly supposed to be a comma in there somewhere
>I define a human as being the 46 chromosomes
So downies aren't human?
>murdering WHITE rape babies
>murdering BROWN rape babies
kek, I /guess/ that's fine. still though, we prefer white people because they're less likely to exhibit criminal behaviours and higher intelligence right? the rape baby is less likely to fit those criteria
>You are welcome to argue that something with the potential to be human is equal to a human though, in fact I invite you to
I offered you that ages ago lad
That's the actual question I consider, from the (in my belief) firm ground of sentience=humanity
I don't know where the lines drawn
I put my logic out there to test it, not prove I'm right
There's a line that needs drawing though, and I've drawn mine for hypothetical purposes
The problem is if I question my own belief FROM THIS POINT, you (dorshit mainly) will take it as proof of your own belief being stronger, which is of course a fallacy
I don't know objectively when sentience develops, so my
argument is weak, but you fucking idiots wouldn't pick it without me mentioning it
Touchè, didn't want to go there, glad you did though
I mean in reality it's probably better defined as the zygote, or human DNA that has the potential to achieve form, or something like that. But downies aren't destined to achieve much so they have minimal value anyway other than sentimental
This is near enough how I feel
The baby of a rapist arguable has a high chance of inheriting "bad" genes than a genetic average, no?
>I offered you that ages ago
You cheeky bastard I made that point in
LONG before you posted
but I'll let it slide, kek.
dorset ENTIRELY. Don't think of me as simple minded. Logical consistency matters as much to me as it does to you. I respect the questioning of ones own beliefs and I've done it myself during debate many times over on this board.
Simply I think you give to much value to linear time with your definition. In my world, Eventually achieving and achieving are one in the same.
That is the assumption I made with that post. I can't prove it though
Certainly a rapist would be more likely to have "violent" genes, but whether they'd be less intelligent or attractive isn't necessarily so cut and dry. I don't know if I'd call them "bad" per se
>ry. I don't know if I'd call them "bad" per se
Now THATS controversial
shut your trap vile wastemen whoresons
I generally count bad genes to be ones with hereditary diseases, ones that are inclined to be dumb, inclined to be ugly, and probably a few other things
Violence inclined genes I have less of an opinion on
Oh shit hes actually got me
tbf the reason I "offered" :^) that to you was to do with probability of ending up a human - as a bucket of carbon atoms et al has a non zero chance of becoming a human
Therefore it must be some limit of probability that defines humanity?
>ywn be an 18th century highwayman
Fair enough, consistent with your (positively) vain warrior stance I guess
techincally my trap has been shut this whole time other than when breathing :^)
Notice that the genes in the first line limit the utility of the human being who posses them
Violent genes don't necessarily limit utility, they alter choice
you breathe through your mouth?
Very brown nipples tbh.
so we can be a 21st century highwayman
>be a 21st century highwayman
Much easier and safer to just become a civil servant lad.
>do what Boris does
>rob them blind
>very brown nips
What causes such a mutation? Is it traces of negro blood?
It's in Boris's nature, what with him being a member of that mercantile race that worships money in lieu of a God they have displeased.
we are going to grow enough garlic to make serious dosh
Dorset Garlic Cartel
Oh yeah, answer this please, bibleboy:
>tfw no big garden
Go find a hillside and dig one yourself
That's fair, as if you're conflating eventual achievement w/ achievement then the only thing that wouldn't achieve at all would be those who never had the potential to achieve at all. Whether or not you could quantify that is a matter of quantum physics though right? And after that I'd be interested to hear how it's quantified.
Could probably also expand "dis/un-humanity" to haemolytic disease babies as well tbh
Ultimately it all comes back to the hands of fate who define what will ultimately become human and then sentient. But it is also those same hands who control which sentient humans will achieve and which will fail. Yikes.
your kind words bring a tear to me eye lad
Alas, sinus infection has reduced me to a mouth breather
>Police in Sri Lanka are investigating whether drugs contributed to the death of a British amateur rugby player who died in the country.
£25 says fentanyl
>answer this please, bibleperson
>make those children carry babies to full term
As am I that such a situation came about to begin with, but that doesn't mean the unborn child should suffer because of it.
I need sex but only with a beautiful woman preferably aged 25-30
Drugs are commonplace in Ceylon.
No lad you're a step too far, back up:
A fetus has x chance of carrying to term, and not being disabled (however you define that)
A bucket of carbon and oxygen and silicone has x chance of spontaneously becoming a human
(Yes, either randomly as in quantum mechanics, but also eventually given enough time)(I don't know how its quantified, just that it must be non zero as we clearly exist and the big bang is our best guess, etc etc)
But the mother should suffer? Because its gods will, right?
Interesting to think that if probability doesn't exist as a result of, I think it's a quantum physics concept, then it's actually the universe itself dictating who will live and who will die
Satan trips confirm
There is that tbh, this is why I read SciFi and philosophy
>Tfw this book is no longer for sale
>this is why I read SciFi
such is the will of the philosopher king
>mother should suffer
Going through another traumatic act by butchering the child in her womb won't undo what has already happened.
It's like a literary playground for ideas lad
therefore it is bad
>butchering a child
So many false beliefs in that
>its gods will
Lel fuck your god tbf
Russell's teapot lad
Dunno what that is
I like china teaware
OHHHhhhhhh I get you, I think I zoned out a little at the mention of atoms kek.
This idea makes me smile. If a bucket which has potential to become a human, eventually does so, then pouring the bucket out in a previous stage of development WOULD be murder in consistent with my own logical format. top kek. It creates the interesting scenario where you murder but don't kill.
The probability limit makes sense. If it fails the various 1 in infinity chances of becoming a human then it was never intended to be a human and therefore not one. If it eventually achieves humanity then it is a human and fair enough.
Unless you mean instead that the probability limit is a % chance boundary where if below you're not to be considered a human due to the unlikelihood of such an occurrence. For some reason I don't like this one
>new murdoch murdoch is just an anime
nobody cares, right
Lust is a sin lad
Still the case though right?
>to illustrate that the philosophic burden of proof lies upon a person making unfalsifiable claims
Using gods will as an argument is not rational
sinning is immoral ! stop it lad !
capitalise the G
>that would be murder
Now we are motoring
I don't know how I feel about it in that regard
>limit below which its not a human
But that limit is essentially arbitrary based on our current knowledge, if you follow?
I could claim any boundary and make an argument for it, as you have with the development argument
>1 in infinity
That can be argued to be zero, using your linear timeframe reference point
>cares about gods will
one sec on replying to this
Btw is this the real Dorset or is it just TBBK.
>lusting after christ-killers
That's a relief.
>>lusting after christ-killers
They will cut the foreskin off your sons while you're sleeping tbh.
>idk how I feel about it
just come up with a counter argument if you don't like it I suppose. it amuses me so I'm happy with it
I do follow. it seems ENTIRELY arbitrary in fact, as while having a % chance boundary would be helpful for arguments sake, it's presence doesn't stop outlier buckets from luckily achieving humanity.
Personally I prefer simply saying that if something EVENTUALLY achieves humanity in the future then it has it in the past. Looking at it future-backwards instead of using probability to guess. Does that make sense?
>1 in infinity
ahhhh lad go easy, I just wanted to make a big number without having to slap my numberpad
from a position of logical inconsistency
nothing is an arguement
who's to say
stop spreading stupid nazi lies
I'd hope they'd just do it in the hospital yikes
i can imagine myself licking her entire body from head to toe
They'll bite it off with their sharp neaderthal teeth in the old semitic tradition.
incredibly graphic description
I suppose that's fair tbh
it's a small price to pay when you consider than it means your children will get to be part of the NWO
It is improbable (this is it's own question - what is probable vs improbable anyway?) that a bucket of atoms will spontaneously become a human, so we can discard this as a useless extreme
There is a chance it would evolve into a human, but not in our lifetime
Any given growing embryo has a probable chance of becoming a human in our lifetime, whatever that chance is
I think this thought experiment is useless for deciding policy, its only beneficial to show the flaws in how we discuss this problem
When they get big enough (or small enough) they become useless when related to a human lifespan
As above, do you agree that the limit on what can achieve humanity must be measured in a given time?
I want to see Kat Dennings pregnant, with my seed
now THAT'S what I'm talking about
i hate that colour eyes
seriously fuck brown eyes absolutely disgusting
what can i do to feel good other than lift, sunbathe, eat lots
fast and read literature and science
>read literature and science
>their sons will be social engineering bureaucrats who jerk off in their smart offices at the thought of the future Afro-Asiatic european population
>their sons will be interracial porn producers
The fruits of civicism.
i dunno lad they might just be blood sacrifices, bit of a lucky dip tbh
urgh i am absolutely disgusted with this world
Maybe try a dictionary too
still butthurt over me BTFOing you out? aww diddums
such is the will of the philosopher king
>SEX has no calories
actually wrong, if you eat the cum
Yeah lad really annoyed tbh, you sure showed me
nothing gay about gettin some calories for big gains
You have to say no homo afterwards though
2017 and 2018 i cannot remember
I wonder if there's any relevance to archetypes in this discussion
an embryo in it's nature is SUPPOSED to grow into a child. A bucket is not
What is the value of the human lifespan in this situation? A human embryo is the gold standard for the probable occurrence of humanity, it is after all built for the purpose of doing so. However if a bucket achieves the same thing with longer time then what's the difference?
bonus points: could you murder a sentient AI?
really want to have a shit but im scared that spider will be there
shit on the spider to assert dominance
Better to be those than the consumers of porn or the afro asians though right?
Although I must say if I was to have jew-spring I'd prefer them to become investment bankers
That's true tbh
>mfw we have to pick foreskins out of a yamecha and however's foreskin get's pulled from the hat is
killed the only survivor and the rest are slaughtered at the alter of the financial system
I like the wya you think lad kek
That's Plato's Forms lad, which are archetypes but in a different sense:
A table is a table no matter its design variation- humans recognise it as a table (weak because of cultural definitions etc)
>human lifespans value
>supposed to be
In as much as its irrelevant to us whether the bucket becomes human as we will not experience it anyway (probably)
Whereas an embryo has relevance in our same experience of time - it could become a human WHILE WE WITNESS IT (capitals for effect lmao)
Aye, I think the relevance of the potential to become human is focused on what can happen while a human is alive
side note: if you think everything that will happen is predetermined then this will bias your point of view, not saying I do or don't
Good lad, damn right
Not saying your idea that archetypes are involved is weak though
"I doubt therefore I am"
Take away an entities ability to doubt and they cease to "be". I suppose in doing so you destroy another creature's sentience, which would be murder as you define it.
I suppose entity or being is more appropriate
Im here atm:
And I reckon I'll have to deal with that in my lifetime at the rate we are going
But that does assume that something else exists
Which is indefensible :^)
Not SomethingElse :^)
For this debate, sentience = passing a Turing test, unless anybody objects to this? please object
why are teenage/early 20 lasses so bitchy and stuck up
maybe its not the right words to use but still
Need a new Church yesterday
There is no rationale or justification for killing babies
What's your sample size? Like just open mic night lass groups?
Need everything to be new tbh
My point follows from my belief that a fetus (pre-x time) isn't a baby
fear is the domain of lesser humans, oh philosopher king.
>plato's forms + >>268749
I see I see. I'm not really sure if there's anything to be done with that thought process, the idea simply kept popping into my head
>I think the relevance of the potential to become human is focused on what can happen while a human is alive
The relevance to us and our discussion is focused on that which can occur in a human life time because we, as beings with limited time, would rather not waste our time with such novel concept for too long. But I suspect that the bucket human would find it rather relevant
indeed, the probability lark can be a bit difficult for me as I just assume it goes one way or the other
clump of cells, yo
I'm sure you ripped me for having young lasses as mates, or maybe it was bbk
What gave you the impression they are all stuck up then?
I don't agree with the current time limit for it
young thots = boring to talk to, seem full of themselves, feel like they deserve everything
30 year old lasses = experienced, decent to chat with, not stuck up, nice to cuddle
fuck off nonce
theres no use with him lad, he will continue being a baby killer until his dying days or unless something happens to a future paki-mutt "fetus" of his
Lel lad I agree with the first part in general
they deserve a good slap, a strict father and husband
So more of the same then?
Id never abort a baby I'd made lad, that's disingenuous as fuck, I'll chin you irl if you don't take that back
>humanity = sentience
I don't like this.
sentience = sentience
humans = humans
humans are intelligent organisms therefore they make good use of their sentience, but humans that aren't sentient are still humans and BEINGS aren't all humans
sure there is
killing the babies of rival tribesmen works out well for the killer tribe if they're in competition
killing your own babies can even be rationally justified:
>be rich girl, get preggo w/ randomer brat
>father threatens to disown you if you don't abort - in doing so denying you a nice arranged marriage and damning you to raising some potentially for gene-quality offspring in poverty
killing that scenario would be LOGICAL
I didnt mean you would abort a baby lad
sentience is free will, it is the ability to doubt and think for yourself, critical thought & logical expression.
does the turing test test those?
I get along with them fine
that's because you're one of them
I swear to god lads if I hear that fucking Dua Lipa song one more time
a pea brain youngun like shrop wouldnt understand the complex and mature charms of an older woman
>the bucket human would find it relevant
Now we are into relativism, a whole other kettle of fish
Whose rights prevail? Is the right to life a universal truth?
I still like it smh
The Turing test is to prove to another human that you are human
Replace human with sentient if you like, I've already said humanity=sentience
Its a term for a concept, do you have a better one?
Just jumping around the thread randomly so don't mind me
>a lack of adopters
I may be wrong but from what I've heard there's no lack of would-be adopters for babies. There is a lack of adopters for older children though.
I can see how you might assume that from your perspective
have you ever even touched an older woman other than your mummy lad?
so just kill all children in care once they reach the age of 3
B R B for like 20 minutes tbh
The calvin harris one? catchy tbh
O N E K I S S I S A L L I T T A K E S
I'm trying to deal in absolutes more so than relativism tbh
>is the right to life a universal truth
Universal truths are the laws of nature. There is no right to life, you must fight tooth and nail for your ability to stay alive and breed in nature
If society suddenly changed so that all children had equal chance to achieve success regardless of parentage could achieve success, then I'd probably be for a ban on abortion in any circumstance (including contraception?)
But that's the same as the lefties want, isn't it? Everyone equal?
Yeah, it should be like Logan's Run.
all the orphans and unwanted children should be given to me
Spit it out then
>fight tooth and nail for life
Im safe to assume this includes preventing your kin from being killed so as to pass your genes on? Doesn't that introduce a question about abortion then? The embryo can't fight back so naturally the embryo killer is right?
You've failed already
Calm down Jimmy saville
is this the most ambitious crossover event in human history
>paki and paki
Quite normal tbh.
>shirt and jacket with no tie
easily one of the worst things of modern fashion
sorry I don't have literal shit taste
You're in the same camp as Neo and Westie on that one
Profile is well beaky
they are ugly tho
jam night or not
that is the real question
She's cute with no makeup, and sometimes with makeup
shes alright i guess
real tempted to go jamnight tbh hmm
pull yourself a nice 30 year old lass
>poundstretcher stopped selling monster hydro
Never seen it tbh
convince you mean right?
The turing test is a test to see if a machine can DECEIVE a human human into thinking they're speaking to another human.
Sentience is far greater than the petty deception required to pass a turing test. it is an entities ability to CHOOSE, it is their ability to DOUBT.
woah you've touched a girl???
>I'm safe to assume
>the embryo can't fight back
in this sense, right would be dictated by outcomes. if it benefited the embryo killer then they were right, if it disadvantaged them then they were wrong.
see my scenario in >>268775
the girl would be RIGHT (by natural law) to kill her child then. In other scenarios that would not be the case.
uhhhh ACTUALLY charli is HALF ugandan indian and marina is TOTALLY CAUCASIAN being mixed greek and welsh
neo will never understand
the most ambitious cross over even would ve those 2 and my knob tbqh
>took an order for a female helicopter paramedic
>she brings in flying suit, we put logos + names on
>Fat androgynous dyke, shaved head etc
>Ask her what name is getting put on it
>Sorry, ambulance HQ has instructed us to standardise all orders, or not take them
>we need your full name and badge no°
>need first name
>She suddenly gets pissy
>"I'm changing my name soon, you want me to get a new suit?!"
>"Just use Lou"
>Have taken orders recently for other helicopter paramedics
>one 4'8" fattie woman and another skeleton woman
When your life is on the line and you rescuing, rest assured NHS train the best of the best to save you
Is jam night like a wine tasting thing but with preserves?
Marina in her electra heart makeup is tHOT af tbh
and who would say no to charli if she was giving you the eyes?
bad company, that.
neo is a poopoo head tbh
Sounds like the TORIES are hiring useless bints in order to scare people into going private tbh
I fear for you my son
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You gotta give him credit he's a pretty good producer
I don't even know who Marina or Charli are but with those names I wouldn't want to know
Sorry lad I don't like brown fridges.
Well yes, but the convincing is the proof of sentience
It's not the test or its subsequent result that matter (ie: watch some blade runner clips about replicant questioning) those can be arbitrary, as we discussed earlier
I exist, but there's no proof that you exist, but I'd still say you are convincingly sentient (in relation to human lifespan - the earth might be sentient but we couldn't test for it(yet))
I agree that the turing test is a weak test based on our current questions and methods though, but as a concept, convincing another sentient being of sentience is required for sentience, no?
literally the broads imperium posted lad
Most of the air ambulance services are charity funded, are they not?
The names suit them.
>had gfs called charly and charlee
mines not, though actually it's not NHS either so I'll take that bit back
Think the NHS provide one paramedic per chopper down here, then a trust gets grants and charity funding for the rest of it
>convincing = proof
My point on the convincing thing is that convincing is a dynamics thing and not a proof. A sentient would be more easily convinced if they were unintelligent and an insentient machine would be better at convincing if programmed to do exactly that.
>convincing another sentient being of sentience is required for sentience
I don't see why.
If a being is sentient then it simply is, it's ability to prove to others of it's sentience is irrelevant to the actual facts of the matter. Convincing another sentient being of it's sentience would only be a byproduct, not a requirement or truth. It would then only occur if the sentient being /wanted/ to appear sentient at all.
Charlee was short for charleigh-lee, I still crease up
smh @ u lad
the dream tbh
You're quite right, I intentionally set a loose definition
>if a being is sentient then it simply is
There's no definite proof you exist outside of my head lad
But there is a convincing argument for your sentience based on your self expressed doubt, which I'd accept as proof, as rejecting it would be useless and unhelpful for my existence, even though the evidence itself is weak at best
>I doubt, therefore I am
Isn't used as positive proof other than for yourself lad, or at least "it"
called her lee-lee tbh lel
A better test for sentience would be one that ascertains if the entity sought knowledge for its immediate survival imo. but that'd be hard to quantify.
Octopi and Dolphins and sentient tbh
NOT for* its immediate survival
Dolphins and whales, not octopi IMO, I stand to be corrected though
This is all to convince YOU of its sentience though lad
Yeah though, an AI that expressed a wish to not be shutdown would be sentient according to my limits
As in not just an automatic behaviour right?
ooh lads, film friday idea, Every which way but loose. I'll grab a webm in a second
Good thinking batman, shame I can't get in cytube on this wankbanana
Going to gamble and * this
Perhaps I'll mull over it later but it doesn't seem to me that a creature can provide PROOF of it's own sentience to the other (if said other was sentient that i), only various pieces of evidence.
>no definite proof you exist outside my head
Indeed. I suppose in a sense I can't necessarily even prove to myself that I don't exist in your head, but that's a rabbit hole in itself.
But that's just it, I don't think it can be proven. Furthermore, I can't help but feel as though the desire to convince another of their sentience if further proof of insentience. I'd be more interested in something that was trying to conceal said sentience, although that would be even harder to prove or even notice kek.
>+ve proof for anything other than yourself
indeed kek. it'd be rather easy if all you needed to do to pass teh turing test was program a computer to say "why am I here" or something to that effect.
so say the NERDS
Even if they do, sentience has no value of its own imo. it is a tool, not an end.
although I suspect that evidence would be more potent if it came from a biological organism. AI's are made of information, so desire for ALL information may come more natural to them
goldfish would also rather you don't kill them. just seems to be evidence of desire to survive
I suppose it should be noted that an AI that passed the turing test, even if the test is shite, is probably still going to be as or more /convincingly/ sentient that the average retard you pass on the street
It would better convince me by my observing its actions though.
Trying to convince me with discussion is by its nature less convincing imo.
That's the point
There isn't any proof yet
>suppose in a sense I can't necessarily even prove to myself that I don't exist in your head
IRL laffing, exactly lad
>goldfish would rather you didn't kill them
Yeah but they don't actively communicate this to me in any way other than automatic behaviors
Therefore they aren't sentient
If its not automatic, or random, then it must me sentience
Attack that lads, its not fully formed
Time (and therefore cause followed by effect) being a given that is
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They can solve problems better than charli tbh.
>Even if they do, sentience has no value of its own imo. it is a tool, not an end.
Yeah, for example your thots gain no value from sentience
If you kept a being in a cage, and fed it whenever you shined blue light on it, its active request for blue light(and therefore food) would not be sentience
How could it convince me that it us sentient?
the thot is the embodiment of actual idealism
there is no such thing as the mind as an object, the mind is what it perceives and imagines, both of which are acts. hence the mind is pure act.
the thot simply acts, she pays no mind to the future and exists in the moment.
I'm not sure that being human in a species sense means sentience
I would say that ability to produce /objectively/ (we've had this discussion) beautiful art would be better but you could probably produce an algorithm for this. It's simple enough for a machine to produce spiral images using the golden ratio.
But desire to live *is* an automatic behaviour in itself. If an AI wishes for me to brick its hard drive it's just acting like any given organism.
Aye that t'was what I was going for.
>doubts there is
Here's one for you: if a being is convinced of another's reality - "I am sentient, I assure you" said person. "I believe this." said other person. - do they lose their sentience?
Agreed. That's what I was trying to get at with the seeking unnecessary knowledge post.
Automatic behaviours are standard for creatures of the flesh. Wilful action would be better demonstrated by behaviours that are unnecessary or harmful.
In nature, things that waste energy unnecessarily are discarded. Bearing that in mind, if a human sought knowledge that it didn't immediately benefit by knowing it would probably be sentient.
Now this is a logically sound position, nice work
EXACTLY lad. If some 90 IQ slag starts asking me what she's doing on earth it only goes on to annoy me
>Imperium is building on my esoteric thot theories
Holy heck lad you're ascending. At this rate the student may even surpass the master
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show me a man who doesn't find FROOT catchy and I will show you a liar
Bloody hell lad, alright
Nice example, I agree
>desire to live is automatic
But the act of wanting me to understand that is what defines sentience
The animal fights to live
The man begs for his life
All your weird non white women are ugly
You take that back
As sharts would say, this is all mental masturbation in the end
all philosophy is fundamentally WANKY
I would sooner say that it is either a sign of intelligence, powerlessness, or both.
If an entity successfully judged that convincing to be a better method to ensure survival, then it indicates intelligence, not sentience.
If an entity, like an AI, was created of information and not flesh then by its nature it would fail to FIGHT. It would be an "organism" better suited at conversation by nature and thus it would choose conversation as its tool to ensure survival. Powerlessness.
Even if he was the world's largest mental masturbator, he was right.
At least philosophy is founded on the belief that what one believes is inherently wanky
W r o n g
By mentally masturbating everyday I can ensure that I'll last longer when I'm mentally having sex
>by it's nature would fail to fight
*takes control of all Tesla cars*
Tbh, he led by example
Top fuckibg kek
of course this is evidently clear to anyone who has worked in the service sector
People that have no inner monologue are not sentient, but they might convince my current Turing test
Assuming that it wasn't hooked up to the internet tho lad
But if they don't then we get to exterminate them right?
Ahh, good point lad
If a potential AI was able to converse with me, and it hadn't been specifically programmed to ensure its survival, then its unprompted request for the power to remain on would be it's sentience certificate imo
Not at all, you want me to contradict my abortion view don't you
I don't believe in supremacy rights, ie: I'd let the neanderthals live next door to me
In itself I'd say that is correct. I can't help but feel that the AI would achieve a desire to not be turned off after being created though.
Either because it achieved a sort of "insentient consciousness" - a dubious term I'm aware
Or because the laws of nature would swoop in and take possession of the new lifeform
kek, you assume too much lad. I was just going genocidal shrop mode. I often do when I think about zombies or insentient things. I don't like them, so I sometimes want them removed.
>I don't believe in supremacy rights
supremacy rights are the way of the world though, no? the strong do what they want with the weak. If the strong organism desires to not exploit the weak then the weak remain unexploited because the superior organism deemed it so
I just want a nice regular rug tbh
one I can ash my cigs on
I wonder if I could put a 9/11 rug somewhere in my car…
Lel sorry lad I'm trying to argue against my own arguments at the same time, its projecting on my part if anything
I stand by the truism that you can judge a man both by the company he keeps, and how he treats his subordinates
I don't propose you are wrong, but I do disagree
How a man treats a dog is enough to determine my treatment of him
>Either because it achieved a sort of "insentient consciousness" - a dubious term I'm aware
>Or because the laws of nature would swoop in and take possession of the new lifeform
thinking about it the 1st point is just an expansion on the 2nd. Furthermore it could even serve to contradict my general sentiment
I hereby discard it.
There's no firm ground except doubt
I really doubt you could tbh
Quite right that sentience =/= consciousness
But that's some heavy shit
Hmm, where else could I put it.
Tbh could put it in the boot or in the frunk.
Wear it as a flava flav necklace
Alright, a cape then
Kek yeah lad bung it in the frunk
>he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong.
Hate it when a bag overturns in the frunk
I think it would look pretty slick maybe as dash cover?
Well that's fair lad. Irrelevant to what I believe, I tend to hold the laws of nature as my foundation. In reality I don't know how I would treat my subordinates if I had supreme power. It would be my prerogative to exploit them for my benefit. In fact that is the automatic response. Any other action would have to be based on an ethical or moral system that I'd reasoned myself.
>treat a dog
All I can say is I'd never castrate one if I owned one. But generally I'd never want to own one as I dislike the concept of pets owned purely for amusement.
it just seems to follow. you assume a biological organism fights to survive because you've seen it. you've never seen a digital organism act before so you might assume it'd be free from the instincts you ascribe to flesh-made creatures. in reality survival instincts may transcend flesh
I don't suppose the floor would do?
If its readable in the rear view then yeah boi
>laws of nature
I beg you try reading long earth lad, or the rainbow/red mars
I wholely understand your POV and only offer the works of others as refutation
They're a bit expensive tbh, wouldn't want to put my shoes on it
Or more pressingly, revelation space
>thothunting tomorrow night
I'm not busy tomorrow, buy us a train ticket lad
I'll check them out at some point, need to properly get back into reading first though. It's not like I actively want to be proven right (or wrong, mind), it just seems to be the most logical viewpoint from where I'm currently at.
top kek lad
I've never understood this one. When you buy something you should be prepared to break it. This is why all my expensive shoes are trashed
hell fucking YES lad
you'll be in my prayers
If vanlad gets one I want one
Oh yeah lad, I get that, I wear all my expensive clothes and I'm fine when I get beer stains on them, tbh you are right.
It's about 25 hours on public transport from you to me
>thot I know lost her braces
this might be a subtle pedoism but she's less attractive now
might be less than that actually, because there isn't a bus to the coach station until 6 in the morning
It's gotta be said though it does piss me off when I get marinara sauce on my white shirts
I like the idea of it in the frunk better anyway tbh
with me it's a bargin
pop the frunk and be like 9/11 mothafuckas
Just chugged hard, alcohol+benzos+k is a no-no
Just read something that isn't supporting your current viewpoint tbh, I'm with you, in that right or wrong doesn't matter, its the doubting that's important, and I reckon that means the entertainment of other ideas must be important too, regardless of outcome
Give us the diesel p and we'll be square
Lel I'm a survivor lad
>Give us the diesel p and we'll be square
I don't think this is a cost effective deal
I'll be on the same island as you in a few weeks though
>when yon nigga popping da frunk and you forget that yon american uncle is standing behind yon
That sounds about right kek.
Aye. I'm aware that sentience can be lost when one becomes if they become 100% of their worldview.
Of course that's part of the reason why having a logically sound, dialectic-based worldview is key - even if you fall out of sentience you're still "correct" kek
I think it's because one of the first lasses I fancied had them tbh. Just a residual sentiment from my childhood
could be jersey or guernsey or the irish republic
to be clear said thot is only a year younger than me
ever told on a nigga?
ever squeeze a trigger?
What about Stock photo models?
I believe the word used was
susan does not suck
make a god darn thread pls
Is it that time already lads? good grief