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9edaea  No.29040


STD Season One Recap:

Michael Burnham is the greatest starfleet officer in history. She knows literally everything and can solve any problem presented to her with consummate ease and no small amount of condescension. She was adopted as a child by Spock's parents because there were no other foster parents available out of trillions of Federation citizens but those of Star Trek's most iconic character (who never mentioned an adopted sister in 50 years of canon). The greatest starfleet officer in history commits a mutiny which ends up killing her captain and single-handedly plunges the Federation into war with Klingons (who are now bald xenophobes obsessed with racial purity). Instead of serving her lifetime prison term, Michael is recruited as a science specialist on the secretive USS Discovery, the most advanced ship in the fleet which boasts holographic systems that shouldn't exist for decades, and an experimental "spore drive" that can teleport the ship instantly to any point in the galaxy over a "mycelial network" of space mushrooms. They briefly use a giant tardigrade as their navigator until someone found out that the whole concept of tardigrades teleporting via space mushrooms was plagiarized from an indie video adventure game called motherfucking "Tardigrades." Good job CBS.

Among the crew members of the Discovery are Captain Lorca: a no-nonsense hard-ass with a shady past who plays fast and loose with regulations and might be a little too trigger-happy for a starfleet captain. The alien first officer is Saru, who can sense danger and death approaching, and is from a species comprised entirely of betas. Chief Engineer Stamets is in charge of the spore drive and becomes its navigator after the tardigrade is sued out of a job. The medical officer is Dr. Culber who is gay with Stamets and is currently deceased and/or a spore ghost inside the mycelial network. And then there's Tilly: a hyperactive, overweight, autistic ensign completely unsuited for service on starfleet's most advanced, experimental starship, but is nonetheless inexplicably part of the command track program. God save the poor vessel that sees Tilly as her captain. There's a bunch of other characters that make up the bridge crew, but they're so poorly developed that most viewers don't even know their names. There's also Tyler who is a Klingon double agent / love interest for Michael Burnham, but nobody cares.

Anyway, a bunch of stupid nonsense happens and eventually we find out that Captain Lorca is actually from the Mirror Universe (which absolutely nobody saw coming because the writing in this show is just so fucking clever) and needed the Discovery's spore drive to get back home. Mirror Universe antics ensue, but eventually Lorca is killed and Burnham "saves" the Mirror Universe version of Georgiou (her dead, mutinied-upon captain) who in this reality is the Emperor of the Terran Empire, a Hitler analogue, and an actual cannibal. When the ship makes it back to its own reality there is a convenient time jump wherein the Klingons are about to win the war, but Michael Burnham the greatest starfleet officer in history with aid from Space Hitler avert disaster at the last second. For her "heroics," not only is Burnham's punishment for MUTINY, MURDER, and WAR commuted, but she's reinstated at her full rank and joins the Discovery crew full time. As the ship flies off to pick up its new captain, they are intercepted by the USS Enterprise, Christopher Pike commanding, just in time to bilk CBS All Access subscribers into re-upping their subs based on nostalgia lenses alone.

STD Season Two status:

Captain Pike takes over the Discovery and we find out starfleet gave him an urgent mission to discover the source of seven mysterious red energy bursts that appeared all across the galaxy. For reasons that will most likely make no logical sense, these seven bursts along with a cosmic entity called the "red angel" have driven Spock to commit himself to the loony bin. The only person who can save him and unravel the mystery of the red angel is his estranged adopted sister that we've never heard of in 50 years of canon, the merry mutineer Michael Goddamn-Fucking Burnham. It's whispered that Michael did something to Spock in their childhood that traumatized him so irreparably that they haven't spoken to each other since, but the show won't just come the fuck out and say what it was, because the hacks that write this shit either don't know, or are second-guessing the likely faux-incest storyline that literally everyone could see coming.

In conclusion, fuck this show and anyone who says "Oh, it's not THAT bad" because, yes, it fucking is.

32342b  No.29043

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The latest episode is clearly several steps backwards. The cinematography was as bad as during the first season.

The new Section 31 ship looks like something out of the JJ timeline.

Next episode will introduce Number One. I hope they make her a tranny, just for the sake of destroying the franchise.

b7c8ec  No.29047

I find it really fascinating to pick apart how this show fails on so many levels. There are the beginnings of decent ideas here and there, but every time they mangle the execution. Setting a ST show during a period of heightened warfare against the Klingons isn't a terrible idea, but that should have been a slow burn conflict that played out across the entire show like the Dominion war.

The captain being a much harsher figure, who you later find is a refugee from the mirror universe is interesting, and could have given us a layered character who wasn't a villain, but had a particular way of viewing the world, influenced by the warrior culture he grew up in. The character could have grown and developed across the course of the series, Instead, he's just made an antagonist, and killed half way through season 1.

The protagonist of the series being not a captain, but a character who starts low and rises up the ranks over the course of the series is again interesting, but that character is Michael Burnam. A character with nothing to learn (at least from the writer's perspective), nowhere to develop. A character who by all rights just should be the Captain already, and is only denied that position because other people are mean and stupid and just haven't discovered how perfect she is yet.

So now we get to season 2, and the introduction of the Red Angel story arc, which again could have potential. A search for a mysterious god-like entity. Very true to the spirit of exploitative science fiction. Kind of reminiscent of how they handled the elder races in Babylon 5. The story arc will probably be over and done with by the half season break, and feel anti-climatic, and under-developed. Also, they could have tied this entity to the spore drive, and had it used as a mcguffin in the Klingon war, but I guess those story threads are just over now.

04ccd8  No.29049

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Nah, they'll make her be second only to Mikey in terms of pure sue-ness as a "fuck you" to those evil sexist (((white))) tv execs back in the 60's that made Roddenberry get rid of the character and pseudo demote her into being just a nurse because the patriarchy is scared of a strong woman in command.

Basically they'll unironically write her to be as much an deranged cunt as the bitch who stole Kirk's body in Turnabout Intruder was, only they'll claim she's an awesome character because of it instead of a bad straw-man parody of a feminist.

04ccd8  No.29050


>which again could have potential

problem is trek already has half a dozen god-like entities and long lost civilizations running around. It's extremely well tred ground. Either they'll make a new Not Q race and just do something that's already been done before and better, or they'll butcher some preexisting concept. Like "Hey everyone loved City of he Edge of Forever, so lets completely rape the memory of that episode by having the Discovery find the last surviving member of the race that created the Guardian of Forever so Mikey can show how much more superior she is to them. Oh and we'll toss in some flashback of her childhood on vulcan that officially renders that one animated episode everyone likes where Spock goes back in time non canon"

Although, it seems to be assumed that the red angel is going to be an Iconian anyway. Assuming they resist the temptation to make it a time traveling future demigod version of Mikey who's traveled back to ensure her own ascension.

038ca1  No.29051


SPOILER: Michael molested Spock as a child.

I wish that I was kidding.

04ccd8  No.29056


c'mon anon it's current year. Michael me too'd Spock after his first ponfar and that's why he hates her.

b904a6  No.29057


How are they traveling across the galaxy when it took Voyager 7 years to get back to Earth?

872d6a  No.29058


Voyager didn't have the power of tranny black negress war criminals. They had a woman war criminal, but without the melanin and male name it just wasn't quite progressive enough to teleport.

04ccd8  No.29062


So if B'Elanna had just changed her name to "Steve" voyager would have been back in the alpha quadrent by lunchtime? Or does it only work if the person can't pass a paper bag test?

0e2287  No.29065


It's not Star Trek, it's bad fan fiction.

872d6a  No.29066


Was B'Elanna a war criminal? I was referring to Janeway.

45cf3f  No.29068

Related to the second season:

>Star Trek Timelines (mobile game) is currently having a STD mega-event

>whatever, it was expected

>One of the new characters you can get is NuNumber One

>fans on the forum are pissed because they'd been asking for the og Number One for years

>STD shills go out of their way to mock them for wanting the actual character and not someone who hasn't even showed up yet

You can't even hide it behind the image rights issue (the game has nuMudd because they couldn't get the rights for the og Mudd). Chapel and Lwaxana are both in the game so obviously Majel (either in her will or through Rod) allowed for her image to be used. We'll probably never get Number One now, which is a shame.

5d0dc8  No.29070

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I've been avoiding STD like the disease it is but it seems I can't get away from it.

585ace  No.29072


>"While Voyager featured a white woman as captain (Kate Mulgrew as Kathryn Janeway), and DS9 a black man (Avery Brooks as Benjamin Sisko), TOS and TNG (and the much later Enterprise) all featured heterosexual white men in the starring slots."

I love it when articles cite these statistics to bolster their position about Trek always having been so progressive and then forget that they exist in the same sentence. If you're going to bitch about Trek shows having straight white male captains, you can't name drop DS9 and VOY and then treat them like they don't count towards your wokeness quota.

>"First, they steered away from the classic male-commander protagonist, by centering their show around a black female first officer"

As the highest ranking officer on a ship, the captain is the natural focal point, that's why the Star Trek formula with the captain as the central character works. But beyond that, this article completely ignores the ensemble nature of a classic Trek show.

The captain has a central role in most episodes by virtue of being the fucking captain who has to deal with all the shit happening around him, but most episodes will shuffle the protag. It's why we have the concept of a Data episode, or an O'Brien episode, etc. Putting the focus all on one character other than the captain might work in a mini-series or something, but as a long-form show it's a stupid decision.

They artificially inflate Mikey's importance to make her stand out against the CO and it makes her an insufferable cunt, because in any proper Trek where the captain is the focus and takes advice from the WHOLE crew, her preaching would get shot down more often than not and we can't fucking have that. Her plan has to be the right plan EVERY time. So why not just make her the motherfucking captain?

053834  No.29074


I did a pretty good job of steering clear of it. Then I saw some clips of the show in action and I was utterly gobsmacked by just how bad everything is. The cinematography, the lighting, the sound design, the costumes, the dialog, the acting.. Not a single thing is good about this multi-million dollar bucket of shit.

327135  No.29082

I like the potential in the idea of the Klingon Empire centralizing and the conflict between the imperial government and feudal dynasties. The fact that said government's legitimacy is that the leader has a remote control that can blow up the planet makes it a bit hard to take seriously though. It's almost certainly going to be retarded but I think it's got more potential as a story line than Michael chasing a mystery box.


But Anon, how can there have been war crimes when there hasn't been a war?

b7c8ec  No.29083


The implication that there's something wrong with a franchise with a predominantly male audience, produced in a white country, having mostly white male leads is of course nonsense too. These people will never complain there are too many black men in gangster rap, too many Asians in kung fu, or too many white women in romantic comedies.

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32342b  No.29086


I liked the klingon episodes on TNG and DS9, Ronald D. Moore was the main writer for those stories. I don't think Kurtzman can do that, he wants Game of Thrones with Klingorcs.

>a remote control that can blow up the planet

It's even more retarded because the iPad isn't a dead man's switch. These klingorcs could've killed L'Rell at any time.

57ac38  No.29091


Who said that it was? Certainly no one here on /strek/

04ccd8  No.29092

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File: baeaa186f816320⋯.jpg (350.52 KB, 933x747, 311:249, evengodfearswhathecreated.jpg)

apparently they're cutting out all that pesky story stuff and have moved to directly torturing us with ear bleedingly horrible auto tuned singing.

844174  No.29093


>Ode to Nerds

D-do they think their target demographic consists of people who have only watched The Big Bang Theory and have only absorbed Trek infromation from that?

57ac38  No.29094





b904a6  No.29095


What is that hairstyle that Michael always has called?

8d97e5  No.29096

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One n canon, on the screen

Two n cannon, war machine

b7c8ec  No.29097


That is their target demographic.

>dude! Spock!

8a9780  No.29098

>It's whispered that Michael did something to Spock in their childhood that traumatized him so irreparably that they haven't spoken to each other since

Did she rape Spock??

She totally fucking raped Spock, holy shit.

585ace  No.29104


>Did she rape Spock??

Nah, I think they'll go the incel route. Michael rejected him during his first pon-farr and he still hasn't gotten over it. That way the show can Michaelsplain on another hot-button topic that doesn't fucking belong in Star Trek.

32342b  No.29105


Like >>29104 said, they're going to portray him as an incel.

dbbbe6  No.29107


Yeah. I think it's this. Spock in nuTrek has jungle fever so this would let them claim he is into Uhura because Michael rejected him.

04ccd8  No.29108


the style she has on the show would be called a "hi-top fade", frankly it only looks good on men, I'm not sure if the mess she has in that car pic has it's own name or if it would just be called a "bitch been too lazy to go to the salon to get her fade redone" .

86b39b  No.29113

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Trigger warning. Watch at your own risk.

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04ccd8  No.29115


I don't know what would be worse, if someone actually chose *that* frame on purpose to be the thumbnail or if some random chance picked it to prove there is no kind and loving god in this universe.

d911b8  No.29118


There are many things that must be erased.

08f968  No.29140

the whole spore system is fucking retarded in a number of ways and this blatant canon defilement is one of the reasons I will never watch strektually transmitted disease.

b7c8ec  No.29156


>They're this clueless as to what to do to win people over

4b5c6f  No.29160


Somebody had to write these lyrics. And then they rehearsed this. And the guy got in his makeup to be an alien.

d58473  No.29161



>lets insult our audience, that will surely win them over

What the fuck.

fe1c88  No.29166



bbd647  No.29167


No, that is the guy who got raped by Kevin Spacey.

027e63  No.29171

Well, within the first 10 seconds of episode four they've already tried to backpedal the tech inconsistencies of the show with Pike telling Number One to rip all the holographic comm systems out of the Enterprise and go back to using view screens.

At this point I think it would be less insulting to the audience for some CBS executive to start each episode with a pre-recorded apology for not knowing what the fuck they're doing in the first place.

38f516  No.29172


Holy shit, this is embarrassing. Legitimately a new low for Star Trek.

1a41b5  No.29175


>Pike telling Number One to rip all the holographic comm systems out of the Enterprise and go back to using view screens.

Oh, so it's sort of like that one time the captain of the US Navy's Enterprise ordered all of the radio and satellite systems ripped out because he preferred flags and Morse-code flashing lamps, right? After which everyone else in the entire Navy also stopped using radio for the next two centuries?

027e63  No.29176


Yeah, it doesn't reflect very well on Pike. She tells him the ship experienced a cascade failure through all its primary systems, but didn't name a cause. Pike just has a grudge against the holograms. He actually says "I never liked them anyway; they looked like ghosts."

This fucking show… On one hand, at least they're trying to address some of the complaints fans raised, but on the other hand every time they pivot and make a change it feels back-handed and pandering. Pike's line is a perfect example, like the writers are trying to shame the audience for insisting on some goddamn visual continuity.

Also, apparently the chief engineer on the Enterprise at this point is named "Louviere" not sure of the spelling, but I think it's pretty clear the "joke" they were going for is that he's French. Frenchy. Scotty. Get it? Ha ha. Pike makes some crack about how no engineer will ever love the Enterprise more.

Get fucked STD.

PS: Number One is in the episode for about 30 seconds. Get fucking hyped.

6c6e24  No.29177

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I exceeded the post limit trying to describe my hatred for this episode so suffice it to say, my hatred for this show is longstanding and my hatred for this episode in particular is great and deserving for this unrepetant shit that is ruining something I once enjoyed.

fe1c88  No.29180



So glad this shit is limited to CBS streaming and not the actual airwaves… what a fucking waste of Roddenberry's legacy.

Robot chicken is better star trek than sex transmitted discovery is

aab2c0  No.29184

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Did Rebecca Romijn just get plastic surgery or something? Her face looked all puffy and oddly uncanny valley compared to how she looked in The Liberians a couple of years ago.

c78199  No.29185

I enjoyed parts of this show and think it's the best one so far in terms of ideasnot saying much. The B plot was garbage. But the idea of an ancient being knowing it has so much knowledge to share and trying to impart it onto something before it dies is a cool concept I don't know if there's been a ST episode about this[/episode]. I can't tell if I like Saru's discovery about his race or whether it's not believable that he's the first one of a WHOLE RACE to experience it but it is a cool evolution for his character. However, it was obvious as fuck he [spoiler]wasn't going to die and I wish they had commited something permanent rather than baiting us. All in all, this episode made me want to read some scifi about the concept of a dying ancient being - anyone know any?

aab2c0  No.29186


>I don't know if there's been a ST episode about this

the TNG episode where a strange probe makes Picard live through the life of member of the species that built it comes to mind.

Frankly, I'm thinking it will turn out the species eating Saru's people are just a more advanced version of his people and by losing his fear thingies, Saru has effectively become like them, and that's also why the Federation never actually did anything to stop the culling, it's technically an internal matter rather than an advanced race interfering with a primitive one.

693a5a  No.29188

>Glad to see nuNumber One for a good 2 minutes for no reason at all.

>I was suprised this was techincally a stand-alone episode, though the B-plot has been going on for ~3 episodes now and will do so for at least the next one as well

>the UT malfunctioning and everyone speaking random languages was a neat idea, I'll give them that. Not an original one, mind you, since even I have had that idea for my OC Trek larp, but whatever. It's something

>Saru was useful for once, but I still noticed Michael Sue basically was the one to come up with the final solutions to the problems. Would it kill the show to actually have a character other than her to save the day?

>Saru's species is so pathetic. I wonder if Kurtzman and co realised they made his entire species cucks and are now trying to fix this.

>fuck me, we still aren't rid of pajeet

>Tilly trying to act menacing was laughable

>Michael's actress' acting was terrible. Worse than usual. She had to go through quite a lot this episode, but she can't act for shit.

>I wish the show would stop having characters who speak through heavy filters. It's annoying, I could barely understand that comedic relief fish dude and that roboto chick on the bridge

>also that scene early on where they were having a meeting and the bridge crew was also there was hilarious. You'd think this was preserved for either

a. the main crew

b. a member of the main crew talking to the extras, the latter having little to no dialogue

>the show should really stop pretending anyone gives a shit about the bridge crew when no the show certainly doesn't give a shit about them

>speaking of the show not giving a shit - the Doctor. In every Trek series the doctor has been firmly a part of the main cast with a lot to do. Who the fuck is the woman Doctor in STD and why isn't the show making her more relevant?

>the dyke engineer is alright. Her dry banter with Stamets at least had some life to it.


>the TNG episode where a strange probe makes Picard live through the life of member of the species that built it comes to mind.

The Inner Light. I was thinking the same thing once they revealed that it was trying to load off all the languages and shit to the ship.

584e84  No.29190


Why does she look so THICC?

027e63  No.29193


>the dyke engineer is alright

Gonna have to step way the fuck back from you on that one. Literally every line of dialogue she had in the episode was a snarky quip. She just starts dick-wagging with Stamets for no reason other than "here's a white male who needs to be put in his place."

The only positive spin I'll give her is that she calls out the spore drive for being fucking stupid.

f21d08  No.29194


Sometimes women just puff up in the face when they get older. Back before everyone was fat, you could see skinny older women with faces like bread dough.

633ba3  No.29196

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>the dyke engineer is alright. Her dry banter with Stamets at least had some life to it.

I disagree. I hate when shitty writers think they're funny, they always end up spewing some Whedon-speak every two lines. Stamets is already a sarcastic guy, there was no need to add another identical character.

>>the show should really stop pretending anyone gives a shit about the bridge crew when no the show certainly doesn't give a shit about them

It's also worth noting the diversity at work during the briefing and how it ended the second a white man entered the wardroom.

693a5a  No.29200



Fair enough on the engineer bit, I figured it wouldn't be an popular opinion. I will mention though, I'm not a fan of Stamets since I'm not getting anything out of the guy (it probably doesn't help that he's the one that has to spend the most time with that fat autistic fucker Tilly). The dyke engineer's dryness appeals to me more than his type of low-key campy bitching.

633ba3  No.29201


I think Stamets could've been a great character if he didn't spend 90% of the time whining about his boyfriend.

6c6e24  No.29204


Best in term of ideas

>nope just no

<lets take the thing that makes our likeable second string character and reveal it was him being oppressed the whole time

<lets take a crap tng episode and just take the serial numbers off

<lets have stametz and tilly talk, together no wait lets tkae the two least likeable talkers and put in a new less likeable talker so the first two seem better. Oh wait no its worst, lets get them high, no wait even worst, oh by the way stametz your oppressing this proud islander woman

>Number 1 with tittays fuck no

>lets fix the stupid continuity they made nope just making it worst again

>michael crying Fucking NOOOOOOOOOOOOPE

Here's a guy who literally even getting to neutral with michael who stole his promo and killed his favorite captain and generally has done nothing to redeem herself to him, who now suddenly thinks of her as a sister because you cannot do anything less then love burntham.

>nobody can talk, even worst why wasnt the bad talkers in this area and the people we like in the other area. Is the enterprise D the only one with a backup bridge?

>ruthless beating down any man who is not preemptively castrating themselves.

Fuck I hate this show

73c8a7  No.29205

fccfa3  No.29206


Why do you watch? To feel rage? I don't watch and the show sounds so awful I don't understand why you'd want to. Serious question, I want to know what motivates you.

922ceb  No.29207


Why do people watch torture porn?

Same reason.

fccfa3  No.29208


Most of the people into torture porn are fat unkempt nerdoids who only haven't killed a hooker because they are too slothful.

eb1b85  No.29209


Tbh really kinda liked the language thing, although I have the feeling it was a bit google translate, there's a bit where Saru says давай and it's translated as "now". Now давай literally means "give it" as an imperative, but it can contextually be used for "come on" or "there we go" in that sense, but putting "now" doesn't really make any sense: especially since he says it as if you would say "now" at the end of the sentence. I know this is a bit of a nitpick but honestly, I love it when shows do linguistics stuff but if you're not gonna put the effort in there's no point: it is actually quite easy to get languages right when you have the resources of a show like Discovery.

Also tbh, I like the engineering lass too: purely because it's nice not to have someone who is constantly bouncy and giggly and will look other characters in the eye and say "fuck you".

b8f5e9  No.29211


The actress' god awful stand up "comedy" routine aside, I could stand engineering dyke if she was written as some sort of neet engineering gremlin that never left the warp coil room and acted snippy at anyone that approached her domain because she was so focused on her job and protective of her giant engine baby. That would be kind of enduring as a character. But doing this shit where she just walks into other people's departments without warning and starts insulting and snapping at them just makes her look like a giant cunt instead.

6c6e24  No.29212

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Because on some basic level I want this show to succeed, I want there to be a new star trek, I want to be able to tune in and watch proganda about an optimistic future

<in retrospect this is kinda like watching your kid grow up into a drug abusing loser who spends all of their time onl…well damn

3a91bb  No.29214

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No gas for them. Their punishment must be more … personal.

37f977  No.29215


It needs to die, anon. The only way you'll ever get good star trek is if it does.

633ba3  No.29216


I watch the show even though I can't stand it because I want to see how much damage they can do to the franchise until the series finale.

763a69  No.29217


If this succeeds anon it just shows that trash succeeds. Do not watch it, do not support it in any way. Burn it to the ground.

b7c8ec  No.29218


I find it quite an interesting show just to observe. It's interesting to see the various layers on which it utterly fails.

633ba3  No.29229


Not only that but the behind-the-scenes stuff is way more interesting that the show itself.

b7c8ec  No.29230


Care to share?

b8f5e9  No.29232

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


You mean the bat shit insane legal clusterfuck over the rights to Star Trek after the parent company split up and the new theory that the "prime timeline" isn't actually the term CBS and Viacom use for the original ST franchise like originally thought, but a wholly new legally separate product created for copyright purposes and that's reason for a lot of the more bizarre (non-diversity related) choices the show made regarding design and canon?

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I never understood why she married someone whose magnum opus was Sliders.

b8f5e9  No.29238


Also being the fat kid in Stand by Me, but honestly he always seemed like a really nice guy.

027e63  No.29239


So let me see if I've got this right:

>CANON Trek =

TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT + 10 Movies. Owned by CBS, effectively dead at the moment.

>PRIME Timeline =

Characters & events from Canon re-interpreted under the "25% Different" license that started with JJ Trek. Old Spock from those movies came from this timeline, NOT the original canon. Discovery most likely happens here as will the new Picard show.

The term "prime" is misleading, because the owners of the franchise never made the distinction that the Prime timeline is NOT the same thing as Canon.

>KELVIN Timeline =

The divergent timeline created when Nero & Old Spock get thrown back in time by a black hole. Supposedly tech advanced more rapidly here than in the Prime timeline because of Nero's attack which is why the JJ Enterprise is so much larger and sleeker. Also effectively dead with the cancellation of the fourth movie.

Rumor has it they might try to smash all this stuff together into a Multiverse and pretend like there's no confusion at all. For the foreseeable future any new Trek-related properties are most likely being made under the alternate license and therefore are not Canon, but most likely take place in the Prime timeline, where the events Canon happened, but everything is 25% different.

633ba3  No.29240




From JJ wanting his Kelvin movies to be the only Star Trek available while the products of the TOS-ENT era (DVDs, replicas, toys, etc.) get taken off the shelves and locked in a box to be forgotten in history, to Gretchen Berg & Aaron Harbertz hiring Sonequa based on her looks (they didn't cast her) and fired for autistically screeching at their writers.


>let me see if I've got this right

You got it right.

872d6a  No.29242


Isn't the Kelvin timeline a subset of the Prime timeline then?

74696c  No.29246


Story wise it is, but for legal purposes it must be treated as a separate thing. For instance, I'm pretty sure their contracts flat out forbids them from making a tv show involving the Kelvin universe even if they wanted to. Basically this all goes back to the star trek rights being a giant mine field due to being split between two companies and a bunch of bean counters and lawyers wanting to make sure their bosses can't be sued by the other side.

b3e528  No.29247


Thank God we have intellectual property laws protecting content creators, so they can take full and fair advantage of their ideas.

90449d  No.29285

File: a3aad062e929be5⋯.jpg (125.48 KB, 777x437, 777:437, orv-s2-cast-promo.jpg)


>I want there to be a new star trek, I want to be able to tune in and watch proganda about an optimistic future

21e7c7  No.29293


The funniest thing about it is the two companies have nearly identical boards of directors, so a lawsuit would be paying a lawyer to move money from one pocket to another.

3ef988  No.29299

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Threadly reminder that the real current-generation star trek series is The Yakki.

0fdae4  No.29303


that looks like a really shitty burger

57ac38  No.29307

File: fa5f6beb50ca06f⋯.webm (7.1 MB, 480x368, 30:23, gumby_hates_niggers.webm)

544ea2  No.29309


It's a Swoleburger anon.

7852b2  No.29321


So we'd essentially get Jew Wars if it went to court?

633ba3  No.29369

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True. This is why Kurtzman created a production company named Secret Hideout (funny how it sounds like "Mystery Box", I wonder if the company is a subsidiary of Bad Robot)at the same time that he started working on STD.

74696c  No.29376


No, it means it wouldn't go to court at all, there'd just be quiet settlement deals. Although, it seems likely now that the two companies will remerge sooner or later, and the only question then will be if they'll abandon bad robot trek as a failed experiment, or if the bean counters will demand it be fully incorporated into actual canon some how because they don't want to see hundreds of millions of dollars of investment get tossed in the garbage bin.

05ed9c  No.29377


Kelvin timeline or bad robot goes into the trash or Star Trek can die.

e68cbd  No.29417

My gods that was an awful episode. All of this just so they could bring the gay doctor back and forget the pseudo backlash from the gay community last year.

416e6c  No.29420

Aside from them bringing back the literal who gay guy (and showing off his naked asshole, thank you Alex), it was a god-awfully boring episode. I was almost insulted by it.

>EVERYONE knows about Section 31. Georgiou shows off her fucking BADGE and Michael Sue and Pike immediately know what that is for

>I still can't get over Ash Tyler knowing about S31. If he knew about them when he was really still Ash, then when he got kidnapped by the nuKlingons, S31 should've been aware of that and what happened to him. No way would he have been left to just stay on Discovery, even if it was being lead by a guy from the Mirror Universe

>hmmmmmmmm we should accept this genocidal cannibal from the Mirror Universe into our organisation what can go wrong OOPS now she is collecting blackmail on us how could this have happened

>let's be honest here, did anyone care about the gay guy? i didn't even remember his name. He was also not the CMO of Discovery, meaning we can't even care for him like we would for someone like the EMH or Bones

>what was the point of Michael going along with Stamets to the mushroom network? Same shit happened in the last episode - Sare should've been the one to save the day by solving the problem, but Michael was inserted into the storyline. Stop shoving her into every scene. I get that Kirk, Spock and McCoy were the main guys to do anything in TOS, but they were charming and had great banter, Michael offers fucking nothing.

>please, let this be the last time we see Pajeet

>why was Ash taken into S31? I would think he is a great security risk. What if his Klingon side goes crazy again for some reason? You can't be 100% sure it won't

>why does the show keep saying Tilly would be a great leader when she sounds like a scared sperg every time she has to actually do anything? There was a scene in that mushroom network where she's letting whoever was out there know she had a phaser and she sounded so weak that if I was there waiting to ambush her, I'd just laugh at her.

>haha hey guys we have combadges now we just won't use them for decades : )))

>"we have 5 minutes left" *Stamets, Michael and co keep dicking around in the network for 15 minutes* "We have 3 minutes left" *Stamets, Michael and co keep dicking around in the network for another 15 minutes* This annoyed the shit out of me.

>what was the point of Michael's ~deep~ monologue?

Guess they'll be dragging the Spock storyline along til the end of the season I guess.

Next episode looked somewhat interesting - Saru's home planet and whoever those black sludge monter aliens were (inb4 Armus, but probably just the predator to the Kelpian prey). Can't wait to see how Michael will save the day this time!

e68cbd  No.29423


Don't forget that Section31™ people also have combadges, that thing that was created 50+ years later.

>what was the point of Michael's ~deep~ monologue?

It adds nothing, it's just pretentious. Also have you noticed how Burnham and Stamets changed their uniforms in the last few minutes of the episode? Was that a reshoot?

>Tilly: "it's the most sophisticated science I've ever seen. I mean you literally entered my brain as a spore"

>Space Mushroom Pajeet; "Thank you, I appreciate your mastery of science as well"

Do every female character have to congratulate themselves for being good at their job on this show?

The sequence between Admiral Brianna Wu, Pike and Section 31 was ridiculous, it was like if they were reading a page from Memory Alpha about tachyons.

>Admiral Brianna Wu: "Come on fellows, cut the manlier-than-thou bullshit"

So after the guy who got killed for mansplaining to Burnham, the diverse briefing missions that end when white-man-Pike enters the room, now this? These writers don't seem to like men unless they happen to be gay and effeminate.

416e6c  No.29425


>Don't forget that Section31™ people also have combadges, that thing that was created 50+ years later.

I get that maybe there was someone out there who figured a secret organisation would be ahead technologically, but Section 31 doesn't need combadges and it all just serves to piss on canon. And not even hard to follow canon, this is like the easiest shit to keep track of, you just need to check Memory Alpha once to see that the TOS era didn't use combadges.

>Also have you noticed how Burnham and Stamets changed their uniforms in the last few minutes of the episode? Was that a reshoot?

I didn't notice that, but I was pretty much blanking out by that point as well. Maybe a reshoot yeah.

Admiral Brianna Wu is a great name for whatsherface. Her scene was also really pointless. It reminds me of how they showed nuNumber One last episode for 2 minutes and then she fucked off, serving no real purpose.

bd232d  No.29426


This looks more genuinely fun than anything on TV and feels closer to TOS than any other Star Trek media.

57ac38  No.29441



Every time I see that name I get triggered. Is Hippocrates the fucking Dr, too?

46cec3  No.29445

Why are you fags even watching this garbage?

1113ff  No.29468


I watch it to complain about it, tbh. It's not like I'm paying for it anyway. Plus it's fun/depressing to see CBS and Kurtzman fuck up so badly.

b7c8ec  No.29469


>someone had the idea to put communicator technology inside a badge, and this was kept away from the greater Federation for 50 years, for no real reason

e68cbd  No.29470


Why not? I want to see how much damage they can do to the brand with only 2 seasons.

7088a7  No.29474


I hit a wall with this episode. Normally I love to shit all over this garbage and its hack writing, terrible actors, inept fanservice, and phoned-in SJW bullshit propaganda, but now I'm just numb to it.

I think finding out that the so-called "Prime" timeline isn't actual Star Trek canon killed my desire to hate-watch. It can safely be ignored, just like JJ-Trek.

fe1c88  No.29477


This is why you don't allow RianJohnson tier cucks to write your franchise.

5d4a60  No.29480

Has this been cancelled yet?

c4961c  No.29486

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>I think finding out that the so-called "Prime" timeline isn't actual Star Trek canon killed my desire to hate-watch. It can safely be ignored, just like JJ-Trek.

Same. I ain't even mad anymore. Aside from a weird desire to meme it as "alt-Trek" for laughs, it just doesn't matter.

e68cbd  No.29488


Not yet. They're waiting on the audience reaction to emoSpock (he still hasn't shown up on the show).

739d1a  No.29513

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>All in all, this episode made me want to read some scifi about the concept of a dying ancient being - anyone know any?

There was a fun Justice League comic about a near omnipotent race of life forms from the beginning of the universe coming to terms with the fact that they're dying, it was called Heaven's Ladder. That might scratch your itch.

5d0dc8  No.29539

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I had put this shit show out of my head until I saw this entire episode was just up on judentube for free. wtg cbs you're failing so hard you have to give this shit away and even then it's not helping because you just fucking suck.

this was actually shockingly bad. I expected this to suck but it exceeded my expectations. I didn't think that was possible.

e68cbd  No.29541


>this entire episode was just up on judentube for free

Have they re-uploaded it? The like/dislike ratio isn't that big.

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