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I really hate his appearance in The Clone Wars. He works best as a silent assassin type and they basically took all that away in the show. Why the hell did Lucas even demand they bring him back?


I thought it was the fans that wanted him back because of that "what if" story where Maul tracks Obi Wan to Tatooine as he watches over a young Luke and fights him.


I dislike all the wierd Dathomir shit they did with him, and the whole story is predicated on Dooku being the apprentice because Maul is dead, so having him come back and Palpatine going ‘lol Dooku is better’ is kind of shit.

If he was going to come back, he’d be a better person to be the Snoke character - a half-robot Sith who survived and took over the Sith after Sidious bought it.



I know what you mean, man, that whole Dathomir arc is best forgotten about. It was like someone's pet idea that they just kept on sucking dicks until it got green lit, utterly appalling and completely took a stinking wet dump over Ventress and Maul, and don't even get me started on that OCDNS Savage



I honestly hated how they handled him in Clone Wars. Sure I kinda dug the idea of him coming back, but his characterization was shit, and only made shittier by his really obnoxious brother who I could not give two flying fucks about. Only reason Savage Oppress (Great fucking name by the way. Its really crawling in my skin) even exists is to have a reason to bring Maul back when it could've just been Ventress, but instead they just tied them to all of that Dathomir bullshit. I would've liked the whole Dathomir and Dathomir witches things better as a solo thing completely independent from Maul and Ventress. Also making Maul and Ventress the same fucking species? Dathomirians? Who wrote that crap? Just throw Zabraks and Rattataki under the rug why don't ya. Both those characters inspired said species, yet they cut off all ties with them, much like they cut off all ties between the Fetts and the Mandos.






>Maul in TCW

Do I even want to know what happened? Every time it's mentioned anons seem universally to despise what happened to him. I'm assuming from your post that him being a Zabrak which I believe was stated during his introduction in Darth Plagueis was retconned.


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>was retconned.

Yes. He's a dathomirian now, human/zabrak hybrids, which results in zabraks with weird skin colors and females with white skin and no horns. Its something you should probably watch for yourself. Also, pic-related replaced the Rattataki and are the native inhabitants of Rattatak.



That humongous brain always disgusted me.


Not that I disagree with you but I thought Palpatine always viewed Maul as more like a personal assasin and used that excuse to calm Plagueis down when he found out about it?



Funny thing is Siniteens never got much exploration in the EU, but they always were described as a very intelligent species with incredible memory, yet Clone Wars only ever showed them as criminals, with the exception of a questionable bounty hunter and a not-so-smart CIS representative.



I think now Maul was just a temporary thing for Palpatine, but I dislike that. Initially Lucas said Palpatine chose Dooku only because he needed somebody trained up and Maul was dead.

In my head-canon Palpatine would aruably prefer a purely Sith trained apprentice, specifically one he had trained himself since birth. I always liked the idea of Palpatine being a dogmatic Sith, and wanting to train an apprentice and accepting that apprentice would kill him someday. There’s a measure of pride when he says Darth Vader will be better than Yoda or him - he’s happy to be a part of the chain of the Sith, to be remembered by his descendants as the one who defeated the Jedi and won the war. I dislike all the stuff that says he thought he could live forever.



To be fair, all the stuff about him coming back was written before anyone even knew what a Sith was, to say nothing of the Rule of Two.


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>That humongous brain always disgusted me.

t. pleb



>Palpatine would arguably prefer a purely Sith trained apprentice

Which is why two of the three he chose were former jedi…


except that even Bane tried to do that even if it was only to ensure that he had time to train someone else if Zannah failed


>>10111 (checked)

Essence transfer isn't out of line with the Sith philosophy, though. For it to succeed, the will of the Sith attempting the transfer must be stronger than the will of the body they're invading. Because it's the stronger soul that survives the battle, Essense transfer is in line with Sith philosophy in a way that sekrit clones in the Deep Core aren't.



>Which is why two of the three he chose were former jedi…

Again, he chose Dooku - and Lucas said this - because he needed an apprentice quick. We know he taught Anakin as much as possible and took an active role in his training.


YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


I like what TCW did to Maul though



waste of old wounds, comic was better.






maul was always nothing more than temporary, as was dooku. both were stepping stones to anakin.






Not really sure why you quoted, >>10112 and >>10107, I was talking about Sidious coming back not Maul.



i have a habit of quoting posts that all quote each other in their similar subjects.



>Zabraks and pale bald Rattataki are now part of the same species

Was there any reason given behind the scenes for this whole…thing? Did they just want to redo the Nightsisters, and it turned into a messy snarl from them wanting to rework two other races?



probably the same reason we almost had a maul/talon game. george saw shit and liked it and made up some nonsense in his head.



I'm guessing Talon would've ended up as a Twilek/Dathomir hybrid, or some other crazy mash up.




Not sure I really like it. Sidious should be kind of a powerful wizard, not River Tam.






I know it's a kid cartoon… but i don't like Palpatine doing that. He's the kind of person who simply would crush your ribs in an instant like he did with Sedriss, gives you a heart attack, crush your lungs and makes you die coughing blood.



>Sedriss QL

Huh. He did something like that, yeah. Wish we'd been able to see it. But he crushed Sedriss until he begged for his life, not a quick way to kill him. Choke is sadistic and effective enough for him to do it.


Anyone have a pirate for a good quality rip of The Clone Wars? Have the Grendy series already, but I can't find the CGI one above 480p



>they cut off all ties between the Fetts and the Mandos

wh-what did they do? note: I haven't actually consumed much expanded universe stuff



In TCW the prime minister of Mandalore makes an offhand remark that Jango wasn't a Mandalorian but a bounty hunter that stole Mandalorian armor. Personally, I always interpreted this as the Prime Minister being full of shit and trying to distance himself from Jango but over the years Disney has been pushing the notion that Jango and Boba aren't Mandalorians.



I thought the reason why fought like that against Maul was to toy with him more or less. Palpatine is a sadist so I guess he would enjoy seeing Maul grovel and suffer.



Do you think that the mouse is aware that Mandalorians are only popular because of Boba and his cool armour?

I mean, in all fairness it's not an old idea that Boba's not Mandalorian with the whole Jaster Mereel story, but it seems like such a damn obtuse idea to say "Oh they're not Mandalorians" when Boba is the root cause for anyone giving a single fuck about it.

I just can't fathom why they push this pacifist mando shit.



>I just can't fathom why they push this pacifist mando shit.

Because they became Mary Sues so suddenly they had to be ‘perfect.’



Was talking about the guards. Maul was strong and trained enough with the Force for Palpatine simply grab him by his insides without softening him first. Also he fried up him with lightning, which is something above tk.



I hate Darth Maul coming back because not only did they fuck him up by turning him from a silent assassin type into a faggot who talks too damn much but it also, by extension, ruined the emotional catharsis of Obi-Wan getting revenge for Qui-Gon at the end of the Phantom Menace. One of the best moments in the prequels, completely ruined because of a handful of retarded fanboys who were too stupid to understand good storytelling and wanted Maul back because "he was so kewl, you guize!".


>that whole night sister and maul arc

>written by Katie Lucas

Well there's your answer: nepotism at its finest. She also wrote a bunch of other shit episodes, seriously look it up, including the Papa Georgie's self insert episode with Chairman Papanoida. But when you're daddie's little girl I guess it's okay to shit up half of a show with your fanfiction.

And while we're shitting on TCW, am I the only one who was more pissed off by all the little details and continuity stuff they got wrong, than the more in your face stuff? Like for example the Republic capturing all those separatist leaders, like Poggle and Wat Tambor, even though they're still free in Ep III.

Or stuff that didn't directly screw with continuity but still made no sense in the long run, like Yoda bringing R2 with him to Dagobah at the end of S6. Seriously, R2 has been to Dagobah AND knew Yoda and he didn't say a fucking word to Luke in EpV, like: btw i've been to this planet, you can expect this and this or I know Yoda, he looks like this?

Come to think of it, R2 knew a lot of things that could have been interesting to Luke: he knew Obi-Wan, he was Anakin's personal droid, he had extensive knowledge of the clone wars and the Jedi because he was always there for all this shit. They should have just wiped his memory too tbh, because him knowing all this and not saying anything in the OT seems pretty odd.



i believe the answer lies with this: r2 couldn't communicate without a translator (which makes no sense as to how people can understand bb-8 since he speaks in the same gibberish), and the separatist leader bits was most likely going to be resolved towards the end of the show. besides that, palpatine controlled both sides, so he would just let them slip while the jedi were distracted or some shit. maybe they had space lawyers release them.



>Katie Lucas

Why didn't I notice this sooner? Now it all makes sense. Both stories feel like some teenaged girl's wet dream fanfiction and were clearly amateur hour at best in terms of writing.




This honestly, and one of the main reasons why I disliked the Maul arc. His character became so fucking meh. And Savage Oppress (maximum edge name, sounds like a 13 year old's username on Halo) was so fucking terrible as a character.



B-but Savage lightsaber had roaring sounds! Like T-I-G-E-R-S IN S-P-A-C-E!!!


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What with /sw/'s hate on the 2008 Clone Wars show? Its one the best pieces of Star Wars media in recent times. Yeah it has some stinkers but even the old EU had bad things to the same degree.



No one here denys the EU had issues. It’s just that TCW and The mouse’s canon tends to fly directly in the face of well established characters and storylines. That’s not to say I didn’t enjoy some of TCW, but the same really can’t be said for any that Disney has shat out though.



When you fuck the lore people get pissed. No it doesn't get a pass because you watched it as a kid.



Because Disney is lazy and so anti Clone Wars/prequels as a whole they just said "yeah Clone Wars is the only Prequel canon lets role with that"



>one of the best pieces of Star Wars media in recent times

Well, when your competition for that title is Rebels and Disney's NuWars, then that's a pretty hollow achievement.

>Yeah it has some stinkers

No anon, you've got it reversed. It wasn't a good show with some bad episodes here and there, it was a bad show with some good episodes here and there, mainly the ones revolving purely around the clones, warfare and battles and maybe a few Obi-Wan eps. But most of the time it ranged from boring to awful, and every time that orange writer's pet cunt came on screen or they showed another fucking episode about Mandalore and its Queen Bitch for some reason, I just wanted to stop and do something else.

Add to that

>blatant disregard for lore and continuity

>tons of cringy dialog and unfitting Whedon-esque quips (Anakin might as well be a completely different character in this show)

>lots of unfunny battledroid gags and slapstick

>shoving things like "I have a bad feeling about this" or the Wilhelm scream into almost every episode, because "This is STAR WARS XD"

>generally bad writing, like that whole Dathomir arc

But I admit that the show did some interesting things too, like giving Anakin a little bit more context for distrusting the Jedi order, or the last couple of episodes with Qui-Gon contacting Yoda, even though that arc had its fair share of flaws too.



I've been wanting to check out TCW, not only because I love the setting, but also because it's one of the last pieces of EU media before Disney fucked everything up. Is there some sort of guide with which episodes to watch and which to skip?


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As a matter of fact there is.



Much appreciated.



>orange writer's pet cunt

I think you mean best waifu in Star Wars.


Just watch it all. That's the only way to have a fully informed opinion about it.


>>13766 (ordered)

>best waifu

that's a funny way of spelling darth talon



You must be mistaken, I think you meant Ventress.


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I thought we already went over this anon?


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Why are zeltrons such cock thirsty sluts?



>Queen Bitch

I still have no idea why they didn’t just retcon Siri Tachi’s death. Satine is basically the same character, at least Siri’s presence wouldn’t have allowed Filoni to assrape the lore of Mandalore.



They aren't in the nu-cannon.

>>"There are many situations where it's better to be matter-of-fact about how cosmopolitan the galaxy is; Skelly's supervisor is a Muun and young Caleb Dume's sparring partner is a Zeltron, but those were both cases where the facts of the characters' species were not really on the point-of-view character's mind."

>>―John Jackson (((Miller)))


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>zeltrons no longer sluts

>muuns no longer bankers


Fucking figures…




What has this faggamuffin done before?



He did some EU material back in the day but mostly Dark Horse comics and his stuff mostly focused on the Old Republic. He used to be pretty good but in recent years he's become no better than most who went to work for Disney, sacrificing quality for "brave new ideas". Only thing that can be said about him now is that he's probably one of the least shitty writers currently working at Disney but he's a far cry from what he once was for the most part.



The Knights of the Old Republic comics are fucking trash, Miller can't write for shit and he was always a cock sucker.




Why? A bit disjointed, but fun.

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