No.2431[Last 50 Posts]
Reminder that true Asatru does not accept homosexuality. And if you call yourself an Asatruar and are okay with gays, then you're doing it wrong.
From Germania by Tacitus:
>The Assembly is competent also to hear criminal charges, especially those involving the risk of capital punishment. The mode of execution varies according to the offence. Traitors and deserters are hanged on trees; cowards, shirkers, and sodomites are pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog. This distinction in the punishments is based on the idea that offenders against the state should be made a public example of, whereas deeds of shame should be buried out of men's sight.
Faggots are condemned by the gods and our people. When the happening happens and we establish our own small pagan communities to survive, make sure you set up near a bog so this filth can be executed like our ancestors would want.
No.2433
The rainbow background is not a welcome sign for effeminate fags.
Any queers better keep away from here, else we'll be sending them to Helheim.
No.2434
>>2431not an Asatruar but my pagan beliefs are also at conflict with deviant sexuality. although I do not need religion to be against it on a political level. other than that, individually, I have no issue with them so long they keep it to themselves.
No.2435
Theres far too many gay Asatru, mostly Loki worshipers. What sort of punishment should they receive? I feel the bog is too light for them since they not only defile themselves with sodomy but defile the Gods with their unwanted and misguided attention
No.2442
>>2435Worshiping Loki as an Asatruar is like a Christian worshiping Satan.
They should start calling themselves Jotatru like this dude.
>>1694I don't object to them being Loki lovers, it fits.
As a Heimdallfag, I revel in the fact my god is the one that slays theirs at Ragnarok. Granted Heimdall dies too but it's a death worth of song killing that degenerate.
As for their punishment, I dunno. Burning maybe? Lighting the wicker hurdle on fire while they're drowning in the bog so they burn alive while they drown?
No.2472
>>2442How did you feel drawn to Heimdallr?
How do you worship him? Very little is known about him at all.
No.2498
I hate these edgy internet people who claim anything gay is inherently against the values of Asatru.
Saying such a thing just points out how you cherrypick the parts of the faith and histories that suit your anti-gay views.
Yes, I agree the people and culture of ancient Germanic nations were largely homophobic - even the eddas joke at gays. But the tales and myths were never violently anti-gay and never promoted excluding gays from the religious ceremonies.
Homosexuals of the ancient Germanic countries would still have believed in the Gods.
So they were gay, What else apart from the Gods of Asatru would they have believed in?
Do you know how ridiculous it sounds when you say ancient vikings who liked men weren't accepted as true believers in their own Gods because you read a translation of an old book by a Roman who says the Germanics did barbaric things to gays?
And in all the Sagas and Eddic poems I have read so far, never is it said being gay is wrong, or upsets the Gods, or is unnatural, or deserves punishment. I would be delighted if one of you could actually prove me wrong and show me somewhere where Odin said 'faggots are forbidden from beliving in the Gods', a statement which you claim is the truth.
Also nowhere is it stated that all the beliefs and practices of ancient people, whether related to their religion or not, must be continued if you are to be truly considered a believer in their religion. So get that fucked up idea out your head or else you too are not Asatruar because you don't live in a mudhut and sacrifice livestock.
No.2499
>>2498>>>/r/asatru is that way No.2500
>>2472I just like the concept of a stoic watchman.
Also the Lay of Rig, the Eddic story that makes SJWs squirm.
No.2504
>>2442
>I don't object to them being Loki lovers, it fits.Aye, it is simultaneously eerie and appropriate how often I find that shady degenerates and the mentally ill are drawn to Loki like moths to a flame.
No.2506
Even a moderate gay who hates most people in lgbt community? Well guess it sucks I can't be accepted by you guys, you seemed like a cool lot till the anti gay stuff started springing up. Also I don't worship Loki that shit is for misguided degenerates who watch that Jew marvel movie.
No.2508
>>2506I believe the objection of Germanic Warrior societies was that men who behave womanly could not be relied upon.
Take a page out of Jack Donovan's book and be a manly man and don't flaunt your attraction and stand up for traditional gender roles and the family unit when you get the opportunity.
If your actions are honorable I have no issue with your sexual orientation, those who will loathe you regardless are small minded bigots who do more harm than good.
No.2510
>>2508Thank you for the advice and open mind. And Yeah once thought of asking about sexuality and stuff in a thread but thought that may be a form of flaunting it around and would be irrelevant. The rule of don't ask don't tell I suppose.
No.2511
>>2506>>2498Okay maybe I was being a tad bit of a tryhard. My apologies.
I do like gays like Milo Yiannapolous I guess.
No.2515
>>2511Heh it's alright. I feel the same way about most rainbow flag wavers.Despite my sexuality I will never be like those guys. lol I would gladly toss them in the bog as well.
No.2521
I really hate that the faggits stole the rainbow, its the fucking road to valhalla and they associated it with buggery, fucking perverts. But yes ancient Scandinavians killed fags and sank them in a swamp. That's what all those bog bodies are about, usually.
No.2550
>>2500I always have a positive feeling about Heimdallr too, i fucking love Rigsthula.
I'd imagine he was the patron god of guardsmen, and guard of society as a whole, it simply makes sense.
No.2557
>>2498>I dont like reading sources other than the Eddas
>Look at me everyone Im an uneducated fuck Did you not read the thread? The Germanic tribes would push you under a bog for taking it up the ass. It was considered shameful. The vikings might not have been as harsh, but thats still good reason to believe they were homophobic.
Nobody wants your "gay viking" bullshit here, go worship a dildo, not Freyr
No.2568
>>2550Between the Rigsthula and him killing Loki, I think Heimdallr is the one that pisses off SJWs the most.
Probably why that cuck Joss Whedon made him black in the Thor movie. GamerGaters should blot to him for guidance.
No.2569
>>2568Yeah, the protector of societal norms kills the biggest degenerate in all nine worlds, that ought to piss the SJW-scourge off.
No.2638
Kek!
Odin was an active bisexual. He took it up the ass to learn seiðr and cross dressed. Thor also cross dressed at Heimdall's suggestion. Frigga had lesbian relations with Saga. Loki was Odin's blood brother and rightfully must be honored in the same breath as him. And comparing loki to Satan is a serious sign of Christian brainwashing. Not everything is as black and white as your babby mind would like to paint it.
In Norse culture homosexuality on the side was supported as long as you were still making babies as your contribution to society.
No.2641
>>2638All fucking nonsense.
Homos were drowned in the bog.
No.2644
>>2641Even if homos were drowned in bogs it wasn't because of religion. If you want to suck a cock Odin will still love you, I promise.
No.2645
>>2644You're clearly not from around here, we don't take kindly to faggots here.
No.2647
>>2431if we want to start quoting tacitus, can we also show the parts where he implies that our folk are boisterous drunkards who don't know how to do any variety of work that requires diligence?
No.2648
>>2638>took it up the assSource?
>seidrSeidr didnt mean being a bisexual crossdresser, it was just seen as unmanly by the rest of society because it was like "cheating"
>thor crossdressedonly to win his hammer back, and its obvious he didnt enjoy doing it
>Frigga was lesbian What are your sources, fucking tumblr?
>Loki was Odins blood brotherAnd then he shamed the Gods, killed their servants and set in motion events that would lead to the end of the world
>Norse culture was okay with gays For the third fucking time, source?
No.2649
>>2648He literally just arrived and shitposted the same SJW shit in 2 threads already, just ignore this faggot and move on, if we start accepting wiccatru faggots there'll be nothing left of this board.
No.2651
>>2648All these are found in Loki's Quarrel when Loki accuses the gods of all these things. His accusations are supposed to be read as just him talking shit. Even scholars suggest that Loki is just being a mischievous dickhead.
Basically Loki's quarrel is this he walks into a mead hall where the gods are feasting. Calls Freya a lesbian whore, Calls Odin gay, and tells Thor he fucked his wife. And yet tumblr wiccatru retards take Loki's shit talking as literal truth.
This is literally the only source they have to back up their claims of the Gods' degeneracy. Loki THE GOD OF MISCHIEF "Lolz why would he lie?". Fucking retards.
No.2653
>>2498>And in all the Sagas and Eddic poems I have read so far, never is it said being gay is wrong, or upsets the Gods, or is unnatural, or deserves punishment.Actually the texts are abundantly clear that taking it up the ass is wrong and makes you less of a man
No.2656
Honestly, considering that Loki, as the "god of mischief/chaos/Odin's blood brother/Bringer about of Ragnarok/etc." did not appear until post-conversion; and that there are no pre-conversion sources of this particular incarnation of this character; and given the fact that pre-conversion sources seem to indicate that anything remotely resembling Loki was more than likely a local minor deity that locals offered to at blots to bribe him from causing trouble; as well as the fact that there is zero evidence of Loki worship or temple names or place names named after Loki from Heathen times… in all likely hood, Loki as he is popularly known isn't even a real god or deity or exists.
He was basically a fictional character created for who knows what reason. Perhaps as an analog to Satan? I don't know. I know there are some folk culture level attestations to a Loki character, but nothing like the one popularly known from the Eddas.
No.2657
>>2656>who knows what reason>analog to Satan?loki's roll's pretty clear, even from post-christian sources:
he's the god of dishonourable/criminal/argr deeds and breaking the social order illicitly.
>that there are no pre-conversion sources of this particular incarnation of this characterI dunno…his character is incredibly integral to a large number of myths. To discount loki's existance as seen in the eddas would be to almost discount the entire edda, including
>most of thor's adventures, most of which begiu with loki doing something stupid and needing thor's assistance in some way>the existance of many of the god's possessions, like mjolnir, sleipnir, draupnir, etc. he serves a good cautionary narrative too, especially for the lower classes (owing to his oft appearance in thor literature) of essentially:
>this is loki>look how fail this moron is>don't be loki…be like thorFinally, his binding resembles other indo-european myths (namely, prometheus, which loki serves the role of somewhat in being responsible for the god's magic possesions.)
I'd say he's about as non-christian as any other thing in the eddas. If we want to start discounting gods, baldr has even less pre-christian attestation, and even more resemblance to a certain major christian character…
No.2661
>>2657I definitely see where you're coming from, and the theory of Loki being a "don't be this idiot" character definitely has a lot of traction.
Nevertheless, ironically, it's this fact:
>I dunno…his character is incredibly integral to a large number of myths. To discount loki's existance as seen in the eddas would be to almost discount the entire edda, including>most of thor's adventures, most of which begiu with loki doing something stupid and needing thor's assistance in some way>the existance of many of the god's possessions, like mjolnir, sleipnir, draupnir, etc. …that makes me the most suspicious of him.
For Loki to go from being virtually non-existent pre-conversion, to being in just about every major Norse myth seems extremely fishy to me. Especially considering that there are examples of primitively drawn figures holding hammers (i.e. Mjolnirs) since before Christian times, but now the hammer would not have even been obtained without the tomfoolery of Loki? The subtext of "the gods could not have gotten the weapon with which they protect all of mankind from the giants, unless they put up with the antics of a shady bastard" just seems off to me.
No.2662
>>2661>Especially considering that there are examples of primitively drawn figures holding hammers (i.e. Mjolnirs) since before Christian times, but now the hammer would not have even been obtained without the tomfoolery of Loki?Well, you said it yourself: if he's the "don't be this idiot" character, why would the ancients erect monuments to his honor?
Although calling him "norse satan" is idiotic, consider this analogy: how many icons of the white christ are there in comparison to the number of paintings depicting satan?
Both pre-christian artefacts of loki equally damn him as well (a device rendering him with wired-shut lips…indicative of his roll with the smiths he annoyed being pre-christian…and one with him bound)
>The subtext of "the gods could not have gotten the weapon with which they protect all of mankind from the giants, unless they put up with the antics of a shady bastard" just seems off to me.I'd say you're reading the subtext of it wrong. I don't think the notion is "loki is the cause of the god's greatness", but rather "if you fuck up like loki, you'll be made to pay penance for the benefit of the tribe". Consider weregeld. You do a crime, you have to compensate however you can…else you'll be outlawed (i.e. put into utangard, where thor wanders hunting for thurses and is wont to rend off your head as he often threatens to loki).
and with loki, we see this:
>shave sif's hair? pay up loki!>make a dumb bet with a giant for a wall? get raped by a horse, niᚦ!>make a dumb bet with some dvergar? cheat the bet? nigga, you get sewn up lips!Everything ends bad for him, and most of the time any "benefit" derived from him is simply punishment levied against him – weregeld owed due to his stupidity. His tales simply tell you that if your that damn argr, you'll have to pay [the sum of the gifts of the gods] in compensation.
No.2664
>>2662
>why would the ancients erect monuments to his honor?Aye, but why wouldn't they at least have depictions of him in a storytelling context from farther back? Considering the importance of Mjolnir, you'd think that the origin story of such an object would be fleshed out, with Loki prominent due to being a major factor in it's creation.
>Both pre-christian artefacts of loki equally damn him as well (a device rendering him with wired-shut lips…indicative of his roll with the smiths he annoyed being pre-christian…and one with him bound)Actually the Snaptun Stone is dated to around 1000 CE (on the precipice of the 10th/11th century); right when Iceland turned over to Christianity. The Kirkby Stephen Stone and the Gosforth Cross are from the 10th and 11th century, respectively. Also keep in mind that the conversion of Scandinavia started around the 8th century.
I agree with you that the overall message of Loki is one of atonement from idiocy. I just still find it difficult to process that Mjolnir, which was, in the myths, considered responsible for keeping the giants at bay and mankind safe, might never have supposedly happened if not for Loki, and yet pre-conversion info on him is so scant.
No.4558
>>2498Is that like the part where we cherrypicked being White in order to oppress poor wittew bwown peopow dat we wouwdn't wet on ouw gwoup?
Also, "homophobic?" That's just newspeak bullshit.
Diagnosis: please an hero immediately.
>>2506How the fuck are you "moderately gay?" You are apparently going against Natural Law and the order of life that give us life that we must cling to at all costs in these perilous times, especially (White birthrates are too low).
You wouldn't have had that nonsense tolerated ever before. Why would you expect it today? Nothing justifies the rejection of normal sexuality. Those that do that are rejecting life itself on a very fundamental level.
>Not unlike racemixers, incidentally. No.4582
>>2431I disagree.
Those rules were for a time when the community had to struggle to maintain its population, and a homosexual who didn't reproduce was actually hurting the community.
Today, there are about six billion too many people on the planet. I would say anyone who doesn't have children is doing the world a service.
There's nothing wrong with liking the same sex, especially now that the fewer offspring we have the better. What's wrong is being weak emotionally and living to please other people–getting all whiny just because some people hate you for a stupid reason–which many homosexuals tend to do.
No.4584
>>4558There is this cool new thing called donating sperm. In my eyes it's more helpful than having kids with just one woman when multiple women can use it for when their husband is impotent.
No.4589
>>2431Yeah, it's true, but just chill out, there's no need to get pissed about it. I wouldn't hang out with any gays, but I'm not going to follow them around and sling vitriol at them because I just don't care to get involved with them.
Gays are going to exist. We're not going to get rid of them with vitriol. We just need to let them know they're not welcome and move on.
No.4590
>>4582This is pure idiocy, European breeding rates are below replacement. If we stop having children, the entire population of Europe will simply be replaced by africans, and asatru and any other european culture will no longer exist. Overpopulation is nonexistent in Europe, except for our horrible mass immigration problem, which is not solved by halting reproduction, but by throwing out the invaders.
>>4584Sperm banks are glorified human shopping that breaks down the concept of the nuclear family. It's fucked up, not helpful.
No.4596
>>4590Are you saying an African couldn't learn to respect the gods properly?
The world was at its best when there were only one half to one billion people in it. At that time, there was plenty of land to go around, the whole surface of the earth wasn't covered with us. Anyone who wanted adventure or a new life could press out into new land that hadn't been settled yet and make their life there. As long as this isn't possible I would say there are far, far too many people here.
No.4606
>>2431>>2653
>the texts are abundantly clear[citation needed]
I don't see why homosexuality on its own is wrong as long as you are strong in the manly duties–defending your family, remaining loyal to your kin and community, knowing how to fight and survive, keepting your promises, etc.
I think the ancestors took a bad view of it because it usually comes with bitchy whininess and a lack of courage, which are wrong. I agree that most gay men I have met are that way. But if a man were gay but still behaved like a man should in other respects I would have nothing against him.
No.4614
>>4606mfw neopagans literally support gays, top kek
No.4615
>>4614Support gays? maybe.
Support unmanliness? No.
We just understand that the true values that makes a man have nothing to do with where he sticks his dick.
No.4617
No.4618
>>4606Being gay is literally unmanly.
I don't care how much you can press or how fast you run. Putting a dick in your asshole is unmanly. As in, men don't do it and obviously our ancestors thought the idea abhorrent.
There's no discussion here, there's no room for debate.
No.4626
>>4618Does putting a dick in your asshole stop you from being loyal and brave, and protecting your family and country? Does it stop you from venerating your ancestors, nature, and the gods? That's what's important, not what you do with your asshole.
No.4637
>>4626Putting a dick in your bum is spitting in the face of your ancestors, faggot.
No.4649
>>4642All I'm saying is they would be far, far more disappointed if their descendant was being cowardly or disloyal or forgetting them and his kin, than if he was just doing something sexually weird. In the grand scheme of things what you do in bed and with who (unless you are cheating which is disloyalty) doesn't matter at all.
No.4650
>>4649Except all germanic tribes despised homosexuality. Even the vikings who were more "progressive" than most other germanic tribes thought it was unmanly to take it up the butt. Because that is willing letting someone take your manhood without putting up a fight or doing something about it. Most viking insults for cowards where also meant for gay people as well.
Asatru is about traditional family values dude. Instead of thinking Wiccan except with different gods think 1950s American Nuclear family with Odin instead of Jesus. That is Asatru.
Asatru is family values, procreation, caring for one's kith and kin, honoring the gods and one's ancestors. What is the best way to achieve all of this? Finding an honorable women, marrying her, and having kids. Sex should not always be about pleasure but to populate our race. And gay love is nothing but about sexual pleasures which is selfish and deviant.
No.4681
>>4650see
>>4582We don't need to repopulate anymore. We have way, way, way too many fucking people.
No.4682
>>4681No niggers, spics, chinks, hindis, arabs do not need to procreate anymore. They are the ones overpopulating our planet.
No.4683
>>4682Everyone is overpopulating our planet. There are literally seven times as many people here as there need to be.
Are you saying deviant sex is okay for them but not for whites?
No.4686
>>4683White race is dying off because faggots like you. Spics and niggers are breeding like rabbits and you say that we as white people should stop breeding because other races are overpopulating our planet?
No.4691
>>4686I'm not saying anyone should stop breeding. I'm saying it's no longer crucial to society and it's no longer harming anyone if you don't breed, for any race.
We don't need to be more populous than anyone else, it's not a competition of numbers and seeing it that way is dangerous to the world. Quality over quantity and all that.
The Indians and Africans do need to tone it down a bit though.
No.4693
>>4691IMO no where in the world is overpopulated except east , south east, south asia and apefreaka. everywhere else is fine.
No.4694
>>4693That's where I disagree with you. The whole world–even America and Europe, hell, even Canada–has been parceled out among us, there are hardly any wild places left and I can count them all on one hand.
>The Amazon. and that's quickly losing its wildness>The Sahara. Nothing for anybody there.>Northern Greenland. and that's basically a sheet of ice.>Siberia. and even that is somewhat populated.>Antarctica. and, combining the worst qualities of Siberia and the Sahara, there's really not a fucking thing for anybody there.Humans have already taken over and divvied up literally all the usable land there is. I live in a rural part of America and I still see too many people. When you have to bust your ass for money just to get a small piece of land to live on, rather than going out and finding it yourself, when there's no longer any abundance of game and it's almost impossible to survive off the land alone in most places, that's when you know there are far, far too many people. It's just not right.
No.4701
Odin - Viewed as the all father and creator, Odin would often disguise himself as a woman. His relationship with his blood brother, Loki, had homoerotic overtones, and he studied the feminine mysteries of the goddess Freya.
Odin is also a hermaphrodite, by the way! In the last spell of the Havamal, he talks about his "sister", which he didn't have - clearly referring to his feminine self. By recognizing it as an individual being, he gave it power and identity.
No.4704
>>4701Implying the Havamal was literally written by Odin, and not some dude with the same name who thought he was the reincarnation of Odin. The idea of holy books with no physical human authors is purely a jewish idea. The guy who made the Havamal originally was probably just a non-liberal, non-retarded version of that guy who pretends to be Odin on facebook.
No.4705
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>>4701Glancing over the important parts there.
No.4710
>>4701How would you know he did not have a sister, moron? Because it was never mentioned? You do know we do not have complete information on the Norse religion right? Freya has a husband named "Od" and there is little mention of him in anything else. Same goes for Ull.
And where the fuck do you get "homoerotic" vibes between Odin and Loki? I literally just read the Eddas in the last three months too.
Also Odin cross dressing was so he could learn a certain form of magic called seidr and gain wisdom so he could prepare himself and the world for Ragnarok. He did not do it because he liked it faggot.
No.4722
>>4650Not all tribes. there where warriors who beveled it was more manly to lay with men than it is women. These where mostly second born sons.
No.4723
No.4724
>>4722Holy shit that utter delusion. Fuck off back to revleft/tumblreddit and don't come back.
No.4732
>>4649I think the ancestors would be much more ashamed of a faggot than they would someone who had bouts of cowardice. Even Thor hid in a giants glove remember.
Thor did not stick penises in his anus though.
You talk about "forgetting your kin."
What do you think being a faggot is? That's literally spitting in the face of your ancestors. The ones who fought and worked so you could be here today. You're saying to them, "you're not good enough for me to carry on your legacy, I'm going to go be a huge degenerate and not get a woman to have sons with."
You can be brave, but unless you achieve demi-god status you'll be forgotten. If you have descendants you will live on through them for eternity.
Now please, take your faggot-loving ass and go gas yourself.
No.4734
>>4732Bouts of cowardice can result in your family or kin dead when they needed you most to defend them. There's nothing more shameful than that.
Again I say, there have been too many sons. There are far, far too many people on this planet, and part of it is due to the idea that we all need to have a bunch of fucking kids because muh family legacy. We're going to starve ourselves fucking out if we keep this shit up.
No.4737
>>4734Like others have said in this thread white countries are not over populating the world. Look at some shitskin countries, China, India, Sudan..etc. All around 1 billion.
Are there even that many white people in ALL of our countries?
Most white populations are having children at below replacement level. Hence the whole "white genocide" thing and the very real worry of getting replaced in our own countries.
If you're not worried about the long term survival of your folk why are you even trying to pretend you're an Asatruar?
>muh family legacyHave you ever read ANY lays,myths or sagas in Germanic mythology? A good percentage of it literally is "muh family legacy."
Fuck off.
>Bouts of cowardice can result in your family or kin dead when they needed you most to defend them. There's nothing more shameful than that.Yeah key word being could.
Being a faggot WILL result in your family line ending. Effectively saying fuck you to your ancestors.
No.4741
>>4734>There are far, far too many people on this planet>Stop reproducing white menIf you actually believe overpopulation is a problem, go to Indian or Africa and tell them to stop fucking like rabbits
but that wouldnt sit well with you now would it, rabbi?
No.4745
>>4741Oh, it would. I believe most of the aid money spent there is wasted, I would spend it handing out condoms and paying for vasectomies and tube tying.
I believe the planet was at its best with one half to one billion people on it. We just surpassed seven, and scientists think in ten years we'll be past eight. Do you not agree that that's too fucking much? Eventually we're just going to starve ourselves out…
No.4747
>>4745Whites don't even make up 1 billion people by themselves. All of Europe, Americas and Australia combined. And that number is only shrinking. If a whole race of people aren't even a billion people while there's single countries over 1 billion then I think you know where the problem of overpopulation is of concern.
No.4762
>>4745A large population is good when it enables specialization and division of labor. In a civilization of a few hundred people, you don't need a dozen molecular biologists; you need a dozen doctors and nurses. In a civilization of a few thousand people, you don't need a hundred combat radiomen, but rather a hundred infantry riflemen. But as the civilization grows larger, into the millions, you can afford lots of specialized personnel: molecular biologists, virologists, oncologists, snipers, radiomen, artillery gunners, etc.
We have to ask ourselves a couple of questions. First, how many of today's world population are contributing constructively to human civilization? And second, how small can we go and still maintain a level of specialization that supports the continued advance of science, technology, and the arts?
I am certain that both answers are substantially smaller than "seven billion".
No.4801
>>4762I agree. I think your answer is one half to one billion.
From the 1500s to the 1900s we were advancing in technology fast, I don't think we needed the population boom to advance it any faster. That only happened because medicine and sanitation, and transportation of food, got better, and death due to disease and starvation plummeted.
No.4807
I hate this nihilistic neo-malthusian bullshit like some anon on /pol/ said.
this planet could hold way more people than it currently has, furthermore, it's the non-europoids that are overpopulating it. plus there are many solutions but telling white people to stop breeding is only a solution to a certain international clique that enjoys rubbing their hands. their own Final Solution. fuck'em
No.4813
>>4807Oh, it could, but do you really want to live like that?
Sure, with enough engineering, cooperation, and redistribution of wealth, we could ensure that enough food was grown and distributed to feed many more billions of people. But the more people there are, the less possible self-sufficiency is. It would become harder and harder to get land and space to yourself, and to be able to feed yourself without relying on the factory farms that most urban faggots can't live without. Eventually, we'd all become so damn interdependent that any small mistake in the system would trigger mass starvation somewhere or other.
It's almost there today, and I for one fucking hate it.
No.4816
>>4813largely depends on the technological level of such a civilization
No.4833
Just adding my two cents -
While I do believe in racial pride and purity, and that the white race needs to beef up its numbers a lot, I don't think it should be - or should ever have been - a moral requirement. Some people are simply not fit to have kids, for any number of reasons from sexuality to temperament to financial resources. Hitler didn't have kids, but we're not calling him out for betraying the white race.
So long as we are encouraging breeding among nuclear families, and the white race is growing at a steady pace, I see no reason with letting those who won't/can't have kids do so. Including gays.
I don't think we should give them marriage or encourage public flaunting of that sort of thing - but clearly our ancestors were being a little overly zealous when they drowned fags in bogs.
No.4834
>>4833I agree. I hate people who have kids they can't support, they become a burden on everyone else.
And actually, I would like to call Hitler out for betraying the white race. He gave folkish people a bad name. Now, if you're white, you can't be proud of your ancestry in public without being associated with him.
No.4837
>>4834>I would like to call Hitler out for betraying the white race. He gave folkish people a bad name. >Now, if you're white, you can't be proud of your ancestry in public without being associated with him.There's a place for people like you. Wanna know what it's called?
Reddit. Now gtfo and go back there.
No.4840
>>4834Jung described him as a manifestation of Odin. Are you really prepared to "call out" Odin? What happens when you "call out" Odin?
No.4844
>>4840Jung was a quack who didn't know shit.
Hitler may have been guided by Odin. Odin was known for favoring one side or another in battle at random, for his own amusement. Also, his men did fight bravely and well, maybe Odin found them more honorable than his enemies at the time. Who knows.
However, I disagree with his cause. He murdered or arranged the murder of people who were innocent, and he disregarded the will of his people when he led a country.
No.4847
>>4844A holocaust believer? In MY Heathenry?!
No.4854
>>4847Who are you to say it is YOUR heathenry?
And like it or not, democracy is in our blood. Our ancestors were actually pioneers of it with the Things. It's not our way to let leaders disregard the will of their people, and in a true heathen society being of a different religion isn't enough to be lawfully punished by death. That doesn't mean being an sjw faggot, it just means understanding that in a functioning society the life of the innocent needs to be protected by law.
No.4858
>>2661These two stone artifacts are from the viking period. The first very clearly shows a figure with his mouth sewn together and was used as part of a forge for a bellows-stones. This almost certainly is a depiction of Loki since it relates heavily to the myth of Thor's hammer
The second image is harder to tell if it is truly Loki, but the image of an evil-looking giant being bound by chains that resemble entrails is pretty indicative.
This does not prove Loki was worshiped, but does prove that he existed in pre-Christian mythology. The most people ever interacted with him was probably just an offering to make him go away ( as was stated by another anon) which lines up with the practices of other primitive cultures (its common for African voodoo priests to offer a chicken or goat as sacrifice to a demonic entity in order to make it leave and cleanse the area)., Another detail that makes his existence more likely is the fact that many of the things that make him similar to Satan are aspects of Satan that only were added to him when Christianity came to mix with European culture. His conniving trickery, seduction of females and ability to change shape are never mentioned in the Bible, he is simply "the enemy" and the old testament is it not even clear that he is a fallen angel. The tradition of Satan as a trickster character is only prominent in Northern European countries, which could indicate that Loki and Satan were meshed into one.
I for one believe that Loki was likely a local deity in the Scandinavian countries that played a role in their myths but was not likely found outside of those areas, or spread as the Germanic tribes spread.
His worship by the tribes is more unlikely than the possibility of him being a Christian fan-fic insert however.
No.4859
>>4691>we dont need to be more populous than anyone else>quality over quantityThat aint how the world works anymore you stupid faggot. you really think 10 white men, heavily armed and trained, could kill 100 sandniggers with cheap guns and no training?
You really think it doesnt matter when 90 percent of Europe is black and Arab, because hey, at least theres still 20 whites in Paris right?
We do need to be more populous than anyone else because when the world was 30 percent white, not 3 percent, we had the largest technological and cultural boon in the history of the Earth
No.4860
>>4694>humans have taken up and divvied up all the usable land there isYou sound more and more like a stupid city-boy the more I read your posts
I live out in Alaska and theres more wild land than we know what to do with. Of course that would be ruined if every nigger in America decided to move up here and have a house every 100 feet, but for now thats not a problem (niggers dislike cold)
You should get out a little more if you really think theres no more wild land
Even the southern states (anything below canada) are mostly wild land, especially in the midwest.
No.4866
>>4858I already responded to these two artifacts here:
>>2664They are dated to being at the precipice of Icelandic conversion, or after the conversion. Thus they do nothing to prove that Loki of the Eddas existed in Pre-Christian Mythology.
Nevertheless, I am with you on Loki more than likely being a local mischievous deity that was chased off with offerings.
Also, Loki's influence on Satan, rather than the other way around, is something that I was unaware of, and will definitely research further.
No.4885
>>4860Alaska is where I'd like to settle down eventually, actually, after I'm done wandering around.
The midwest isn't wild land at all, it's farm land.
Who owns all the so-called wild land in Alaska? If random fucks aren't free to go stake out land and build a house there it's not wild enough, it still belongs to someone.
My point is there's not enough to go around. Those places are only so sparsely populated because city people can't handle the cold and want to clump together. What wild land there is is still all owned, you still need to buy it, and there's not enough for every individual to go find a new life for themself in the wild if they so choose.
And as it happens, I live in rural Maine.
No.5066
>>4596
>Are you saying an African couldn't learn to respect the gods properly?
>>4558
> You are apparently going against Natural Law and the order of life
Holy Hel you people sound like Christfags.
Asatru needs a real philosophy, not a bunch of armchair interpreters who are really just post-Christian
No.6180
As a lesbian I don't really care if you think I can honour the gods or not, I just honour and respect them and do my best to live with honour myself. That also means (to me) that I give myself what I want while knowing the gods are smiling upon me while I lick that sweet pussy. I don't think living with hate and excluding people from our faith is very hounerful and if you can't see the problem with it you need to do some 'soul searching'. And if you really like pointing fingers and condemning people maybe you should convert to like Christianity or something
No.6186
>>6180
There are less problems with female homosexuality than there are with male homosexuality, and Tactitus does not say directly if the Germanic tribes drowned lesbians for the same crimes that faggots did. Two females having sex is graceful in a way and it enhances the feminine nature of both, whereas male homosexuality degrades both to the level of primitive animals and makes the receiving partner into an ergi bitch
However there are still problems with being lesbian because you are not producing white children and you are not passing on your ancestral DNA. You are still a fucking degenerate and your only purpose in the Germanic world would be either a sex slave who fucks women for entertainment or in the bog.
The gods do not smile upon you when you lick sweet pussy, they hang their heads in shame that you are denying your ancestors the right to continue their line. Your ancestors are watching you too, how do you think they feel now that you will be the last of their line?
also "living with hate" is not against Asatru or Germanic religion, you sound like someone who doesnt even know that Wotan's name literally means "inspirer of hatred"
No.6187
>>6180
Your parents are ashamed of you even if they do not tell you. Your ancestors are ashamed of you for the same reason. You are refusing to continue their lineage and you live your life fulfilling selfish desires which contributes nothing to the folk.
This goes against everything Asatru stands for. Fuck off back to reddit or tumblr, fag.
No.6190
>>6186
Nah I think they are good, I'm a healer and they must be proud of the lives I change. Besides my sisters got enough kids to ensure our glorious heritage won't die out. And maybe I will get kids one day, I'm still young so maybe in a few years but first I have other things to do.
No.6191
>>6187
>your parents are ashamed or you….. yayaydayyadysyaya..
Are you projecting your own problems on me? Ok if that's how you cope… sure.
No.6192
>>6190
define "healer". Do you mean you practice legit medicine and have a degree or do you mean "I make potions from what leaks out of my ass and sell it to people"
You're sounding suspiciously like a Wiccan whore to me
The logic of "oh well my sister has kids who cares" is retarded, we are still a dying race and need as many uterases popping out children as possible. your attitude of "oh well, its a problem yeah but someone else will solve it!" is extremely unpagan, its unchristian, its unANYTHING. you're just lazy and don't want to bear any of the weight that your sister and kinsmen do.
>>6191
Nice sliding tactic
You're the only one projecting here
Since you are so highly devoted to the Germanic Gods, tell us how you became interested in them?
No.6194
>>6192
Neither, I do some kind of social work wich is guiding people to help them gain more independentness and other stuff. Sort of like personal guidance. Don't know how to correctly translate it since English isn't my first language but anyway this is my calling it is my job I made a living out of it but I also do it in my personal life. Building people up, making them see different perspectives and possibilities.
Well I've always loved history and nature, then when I was about 13 I started to read a lot about paganism and I haven't stopped ever since.
And lol 'wiccan whore' you assume quit much don't you.
No.6196
>>6194
>I do some kind of social work
>personal guidance
>see different perspectives
Wiccan hippie whore confirmed
Tell me the names of 5 tribes
No.6197
>>6191
Not projecting just stating facts. If even you dad says he is accepting of your degeneracy it is because he is a defeated beta cuck.
Also even if you look towards science and the whole "born this way" argument that only applies to homosexual males. There is no scientific evidence to support female homosexuality other than them being attention whores. Sorry you are not born that way you are just an attention whore. A selfish narcissistic one like all lesbians are.
No.6204
>>6196
Lol I live and was born on the ground of the tribe I'm descended from . I think your ancestor must be sad to see how you'r acting, instead of respecting my choices since I have another role in society, you call me a whore lol this is why no one takes asatru serious, fucktards like you take away the essences and make it all about white supremicy while flaunting your homophobic and sexist ways.
You're probably some fat americunt anyway so why do I even bother
No.6205
>>6197
If you think parents can only be proud based on your sexual choices you re pretty retarded and only proves that you haven't ever accomplished anything in life besides being a white heterosexual male, maybe you should leave the basement and go out experience real life for a while.
No.6209
>>6205
The only people who do not take Asatru seriously are the Wiccatru imposters such as yourself. You give us a bad name. You think "Paganism" is just a fucking game and that you can just start believing in whatever the fuck you want. That is not how it works and actually is very insulting to whatever religion or belief system you are trying to appropriate.
>Lolz I am Asatru because I think Loki s funny
Fuck off with your degeneracy.
And it is funny because I accuse you of being an attention whore (like all lesbians are) and you continue to shitpost proving my point.
No.6212
>>4596
>Are you saying an African couldn't learn to respect the gods properly?
No, niggers can't respect (white) gods and our (white) ancestors properly.
Especially not if they are invading the countries of those ancestors and replacing their descendants.
>>4650
>Nuclear family
Not completely, the eldest son wouldn't have a nuclear family as he was expected to care for his parents.
>>6180
>I just honour and respect
No you don't, if you honored and respected the Gods and our ancestors you wouldn't be saying stupid shit like
>give myself what I want while knowing the gods are smiling upon me while I lick that sweet pussy.
Your ancestors are ashamed of you, you brought shame on your family and so you brought shame to the Gods of your family.
>I don't think living with hate and excluding
Strange because the Gods themselves hated and excluded plenty of things.
>>6205
>white heterosexual male
Confirmed for SJW wiccan larper.
No.6214
>>6212
Wiccafags = cancer
Seriously though, now that the thread has been derailed by the oldest trick in the book, how is the SCOTUS ruling going to impact this? Most heathen groups already accept faggots…I know the "Asapope" does gay marriage too…maybe the faggots will be so obnoxious that they show the world how degenerate they are.
No.6215
>>6214
We should let the fags join, and every year we take a field trip to the bog to offer sacrifices to the gods ;)
No.6219
>>6215
It would at least show that the fags dont really know anything about Germanic Paganism if they follow a bunch of tribesmen into a bog
No.6227
To the lesbian ITT: you, like all other sexual degenerates, are practising self-worship, which frustrates any form of higher personal development.
No.6319
Who cares about gays? It's not our worry, just live honorable lives, reproduce, and let gays fade out of existence. Just don't let them adopt, have kids, and if your child is "gay" sort them out.
No.6656
No.6657
homosexuals in scandinavia were given a term 'nilfngr' or something i cant remember, which basically means 'one lower than other men around him' and at that moment of titling the homosexual could be derided, beaten or even killed without any punishment - basically branded an outlaw
ancient germanic pre-viking roman-era tribes just bog'd them
No.7439
>>2653
Solution for TEH GAYS out there: Do not take it up the ass then.
a few minutes of wikipedia gave me Intercrural Sex as a possible option (then of course, there's always abstinence)
>Intercrural intercourse was a common outlet for pederasty in ancient Greece,[citation needed] because anal sex was considered demeaning to the receiving partner.[6] The Ancient Greek term for this practice was διαμηρίζειν diamērizein ("to do [something] between the thighs").[7]
>The historian Kenneth Dover wrote about this extensively in his book Greek Homosexuality (1978), whence current theories on the subject of sex between men in Ancient Greece derive.[8]
>Joan Roughgarden refers to standing, face-to-face intercrural intercourse as the "gay male missionary position" of Ancient Greece in a section of her book Evolution's Rainbow (2004), which draws heavily on Dover.[9]
>It has been subject to various historical sodomy laws and religious restrictions enacted mostly by Christianity.[16]
>Intercrural sex appears to have been common during the medieval era;
etc
There's always the choice of not fucking in a degenerate manner (everyone regardless of orientation needs to get rid of the merchant porn for starters)
No.7440
>>2506
If you have identified as "a gay", you're bog material, end of story. I'd happily bog you in an instant.
No.7443
>>7440
>homos out there not defining themselves as "man loving" (androphile) instead of the modern delusional "Gay", which is a SJW New
Leftist buzzword
Jack Donovan sets things straight (no pun intended)
No.7444
>>7443
Being a man first (sexuality secondary) > being a New Left created "Gay" expected to dress/behave/consume in a certain manner
No.7445
>>7443
I don't care what your "/pol/ approved" kosher faggot says, any identity predicated on sexuality or any sort of effeminacy is disgusting bog behavior. Homosexual behavior should not be celebrated in any way whatsoever and no sexual obsession should be tolerated in any healthy society.
No.7448
>>7445
>Homosexual behavior should not be celebrated in any way whatsoever
agree
>no sexual obsession should be tolerated in any healthy society
agree (but this applies to everyone; indecent behaviour in male/female relationships - in public - as well)
Sex ed for the children oughta go no longer than basic protection-or-else-this-happens-instead talk
>effeminacy is disgusting bog behavior
then the problem lies in effeminacy itself, which can be cured by instilling masculine, sound lifestyles in order to change the faggots for the better
No.7493
>>2521
>Tacitus's Germania speaks for all of Heathen tribes
u wot
was he even in Scandinavia
No.7532
>>4885
>Who owns all the so-called wild land in Alaska?
that government. what the fuck does that have to do with overpopulation?
No.7546
>>2431
>a Roman propagandist retelling of his perceived Germania = how all of the primordial/traditional asatruar all over Europe thought
oh u
No.7562
No.7575
>>7546
your nose is showing