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No.471
Let us collect some norse/pagan-themed movies in here.
I'll start:
>Outlaw - The Saga of Gisli
>Valhalla Rising
>Embla
>Beowulf
>Hrafninn flygur
>The icelandic Raven Trilogy
>The Eagle
>The 13th Warrior
Oh, and movie discussion is also welcome ITT of course.
No.477
I actually liked the animated Beowulf.
"We men are the monsters now. The time of heroes is dead, Wiglaf-the Christ god has killed it, leaving humankind with nothing but weeping martyrs, fear, and shame."
No.478
These seem to all be "B" rate movies, anon
Why can't anyone make a great Viking film?
No.483
>>477Meh, I was honestly disappointed by the animated Beowulf.
At first it started out as if it was going to be a fairly faithful adaptation of the original tale. Then we got Angelina Jolie in high heels, and Beowulf being turned into an unreliable narrator and anathema to his heroic figure in the original story. Just left me feeling cold.
No.486
>>477If it werent for Grendels mother being Salt and not a monstrous giantess like in the book, it would have been a perfect movie
the animation thing was a little weird too
That line in the film was a good one though. Sums up the melancholy of the dying warrior spirit in the North.
>>478Probably because the only people with an interest in vikings are usually metalheads who dont really research them fully and just want blood and gore with metal background music. Now if an actual heathen became a hollywood director it would be different, but this Shekelwood not Hollywood
>>483agreed
No.488
>The Lord of the Rings
>The Hobbit
There's a lot to say about these movies and novels. Tolkien was heavily inspired by Norse Mythology. I'll say more when I find my old notes.
No.490
>>489Tolkien’s Sourceshttp://web.archive.org/web/20130706103214/http://www.tolkien-online.com/tolkiens-sources.htmlJRR Tolkien’s sources for The Lord of the Rings and the rest of his Middle-earth mythology are widespread and various. Tolkien was a very widely-read scholar on a variety of subjects ranging from philology (the study of language and its development) to literature, mythology, religion, and philosophy.Tolkien was one of the foremost philologists of his day, and dedicated much of his life to the study of languages, particularly their roots and development.Mythology, also, was one of Tolkien’s foremost interests and scholarly pursuits, and these mythologies became perhaps the foremost literary precursors and influences upon the “sub-creation” of his secondary world.During his early days at King Edward’s School in Birmingham he first encountered the mythology of Greece and Rome. During his later school years, he discovered the mythologies of the northern peoples…The Elder Edda and Prose Edda of Norse mythology, the Kalevala of Finnish myth, and the Irish and Welsh myth cycles.Outside of mythological texts, Tolkien drew from a large pool of creative literature from the distant (and not-so-distant) past. Tolkien wrote in his famous essay “On Fairy Stories”, “I have been a lover of fairy stories since I learned to read” and fairy stories have roots that run from nearly the very beginning of literature to Tolkien’s immediate precursors.Anglo-Saxon literature was a source of great fascination for Tolkien, and he became one of the most well-respected scholars of Anglo-Saxon literature. In the 1920’s, during his time as a Professor at the University of Leeds, Tolkien teamed up with fellow scholar E.V. Gordon to translate the medieval Anglo-Saxon poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight.Tolkien also later gained notice for his oft-quoted essay, Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics, which championed the Anglo-Saxon poem as a masterpiece.Outside of Anglo-Saxon literature, Medieval Romances were also precursors to Tolkien, and Tolkien was very familiar with them. The French chanson de geste or “songs of deeds” have many elements in common with Tolkien’s tales of Middle-earth, as Lin Carter points out in Tolkien: A Look Behind The Lord of the Rings, particularly “the dual epic themes of quest and warfare as standard plot motifs” (pg 102).The epic romances of Ariosto, especially Orlando Furioso, certainly influenced the sub-genre of "fairy stories", if not Tolkien directly.Tolkien was also quite fond of John Milton’s epic poem Paradise Lost, and his entire Middle-earth mythology has much in common with Milton’s epic. Tolkien once wrote to publisher Milton Waldman: “There cannot be any ‘story’ without a fall – all stories are ultimately about the fall – at least not for human minds as we know them and have them” (The Letters of JRR Tolkien, No. 131)Also playing a major role in the development of the Middle-earth mythology was the flowering of folklore and folk tales that emerged in the early nineteenth century. The Brothers Grimm, Jacob and Wilhelm, traveled rural Germany collecting and publishing old Germanic folktales. Hans Christian Anderson, though much of his writing was original, mined a similar set of Scandinavian folklore. …
No.491
>>490Tolkien and Mythologyhttp://web.archive.org/web/20130706081706/http://www.tolkien-online.com/tolkien-and-mythology.htmlMythology was another of Tolkien’s lifelong interests, and that interest not only shone through in the writing of The Lord of the Rings, but very possibly helped to provide the impetus to create Middle-earth in the first place.Tolkien had great interest, as he once wrote to a reader, “in mythological invention, and the mystery of literary creation”. As a scholar of mythology, Tolkien was also quite aware, as he went on to write in the same letter, that “[England] had no stories of its own, not of the quality that I sought, and found in legends of other lands”.Valkyrien, an 1869 painting by Peter Nicolai Arbo representing the valkyries from Norse myth.Many understood this comment to mean that Tolkien had undertaken the writing of The Lord of the Rings and the rest of his Middle-earth mythology on the basis of creating a “mythology for England”.Perhaps, in some respects, that is exactly what Tolkien intended. And judging by modern readership and esteem alone, he succeeded quite well.But most of Tolkien’s writing was very personal, and done without any intention of being seen in print. His Middle-earth mythology began to take shape as early as 1914, and continued, according to his son and editor Christopher Tolkien, “throughout my father’s long life”.Tolkien had a particular love for the “Northern Myths”, myths associated with the cultures of northern Europe. The Norse myths. The Icelandic Sagas. The Finnish myth cycles. Welsh mythology.These, more than the classical Greek and Roman myths, inspired and fascinated Tolkien. He first studied them at King Edward’s school during the years 1910-1914.One important idea must be kept in mind in regards to Tolkien and mythology. The Professor believed it was the stories that were important, not simply the study and dissection of their hidden meanings.Tolkien made this view very apparent in his brilliant lecture Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics. In it he chides the critics of the Old English epic Beowulf as having missed the entire point of the poem. Criticism of the time often downplayed the fantastic elements of the narrative and treated the text as no more than a historical document through which to view Anglo-Saxon society.Tolkien demanded that these “fantastic elements” were intrinsic to the story and could not be discarded. Tolkien’s view of mythology and story were that these “fantastic elements” went deeper than mere vehicles of plot. They were remnants of the past, pieces of culture and belief that were essential to the works themselves.As Tolkien put forth in his essay Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics: “A dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of men’s imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.” Tolkien brought this love and knowledge of mythology to bear on his fiction as well. It is most directly apparent in The Hobbit, where many of the names and events can be traced in some form to mythology, particularly the Scandinavian myth cycle known as The Elder Edda.Indeed, the names of many of the dwarves, and even the name of Gandalf himself, appears at one point or another in The Elder Edda.Many of the events that take place in the book also have their roots deep in mythology. Tom Shippey, a prominent Tolkien scholar, notes some of the mythological parallels that occur within The Hobbit in his book J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of the Century.Shippey declares: “[Tolkien] took fragments of ancient literature, expanded on their intensely suggestive hints of further meaning, and made them into coherent and consistent literature…” (AOTC pg. 35).Only Tolkien’s study of language (philology) had as great an impact on his scholarly pursuits and his writings. And in many ways, mythology and philology worked hand-in-hand.Many myth cycles, particularly at that time, were not translated into modern English. They required study in their native language and on their own terms. Tolkien’s knowledge of language (especially ancient language) allowed him to do that.Conversely, studying these mythological text in their native tongues allowed him to study many of these languages from a philological standpoint, to see how words and languages developed over the course of time.In the end, these two great influences, mythology and philology, would drive Tolkien to create. They were truly the wellspring of his creativity, and form the foundation of Middle-earth, elves, dwarves, wizards, and yes, even hobbits. Post last edited at
No.492
>>491It is a well known fact that Tolkien had an interest in the Mythology and Linguistics of Northern Europe specifically that of the Germanic people, namely the heathen mythologies of the Norse and English peoples. The other main influence was Finnish Mythology; it having played a major role in the creation of The Silmarillion.Many of these influences can be seen in the languages, the language used for the Rohirrim was substituted by Old English (the language that English is derived, known as Englisc at the time), and the language spoken in Dale and Esgaroth Old Norse, the languages the epic sagas and poems of old were written and told in.Many of the events such as Smaug's awakening and rampage, the finding of the ring and the reforging Narsil all have parallels in Germanic Mythology. The epic poetry of Northern Europe's heathen past such as 'Beowulf' and 'Völsungasaga' have been cited as influencing Tolkien his legendarium.The rampage of Smaug could be seen to be inspired by the English Epic Poem 'Beowulf', in which a cup is stolen from the sleeping wyrm. The dragon then leaves his cave for revenge before being defeated by Beowulf (who dies in the act).The One Ring has been said by many to be inspired by the ring in the Norse sage of the Völsungs, and its later German version, the High Medieval 'Nibelunglied'; however comments by Tolkien make it unclear as to whether it was a reference to the 'Völsungasaga' or not. Alternatively the ring could be based on a ring of invisibility from Greek Mythology.Éowyn's disguising as a man and many tales of ‘Shieldmaidens’ and ’Valkyries’ from the myths of many Germanic people likely inspired fighting alongside her kinfolk.The thread of mythology runs so deep that even the name of the continent, Middle-earth has its origins in the north's heathen past. The name derives from the Old English 'Middanġeard' (Middle-Yard, meaning middle enclosure) which latter became the Middle English Middel-erde (meaning now Middle-earth rather than the older sense of Middle-Yard, though it should be noted that in this case it is applied to the same meaning, that of the land of men).This name for our world has cognates in the various other Germanic languages, was known in Norse as ‘Miðgarðr’ (rendered as Midgard in Modern English), and is cognate of the Modern German 'Mittelerde'. http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Tolkien_Mythology No.493
>>488I've always been eternally grateful that I was raised with Lord of the Rings and other fantasy. Fantasy, as autist as the fans can be, is probably the last remnant of white culture thats accepted in mainstream society. Lord of the Rings was how Tolkien made new myths for our day and age.
He may have been a catholic, but in a way, I bet the Asatru movement wouldnt have even happened if they werent LOTR.
He saved the Heathen culture and should be revered in our community
No.502
>>493It was a formative moment in my life. I was about nine or ten when I was looking for something serious to read. My father gave me 'The Hobbit' and 'The Trilogy.' That's what he called it. To him it was just *the* trilogy.
I felt nothing for the Christian sermons I head as a child. But those books spoke to me.
No.507
I saw 13th warrior today
Was pretty laff
No.508
>>492To call Beowulf an "english poem" is factually wrong imo.
It was first and foremost anglo-saxon in origin and nature, with heavy northwestern germanic influences.
The concept of England as an independent nation didn't really exist back then. "Old English" is essentially anglo-saxonic.
No.519
>>502Same here anon. I always felt like the Lord of the Rings were my true Bible when I was young. Church was just a stifling boring place for some old man to tell me why evolution was wrong or why being rich is bad.
Tolkien taught me to be proud of my culture and always seek adventure, to love the natural world more than industry and to always stand up for righteousness, even when you might die.
No.520
>>508"England" is just the modernized form of "Angle-Land". So, in a sense, it is English. The Anglo Saxons were formed of two tribes, the Angles (Angle or fishing people) and the Saxons (sword people)
No.529
>>520Well ya but they're de facto west germanics
Don't forget that the Angles literally came from what is today called Schleswig in northern Germany
(In my personal opinion these geographic divides are to be disregarded though, pic related)
No.545
>>529>>529What is this? Was there actually a flood a long time ago that divided them?
Also, something else to bring up. You know Stonehenge? You know how druids and Wiccans pray at it?
Well did you know that Stonehenge wasnt built by the druids and that the Celtic tribes even feared and avoided it?
Who built it then? Ancient Germanics? Jotunn?
Aliens?
>im kidding No.564
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>>545"Doggerland was a former landmass in the southern North Sea that connected Great Britain to mainland Europe during and after the last Ice Age until about 6,500 or 6,200 BCE and then gradually being flooded by rising sea levels. Geological surveys have suggested that it stretched from Britain's east coast to the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and Denmark.[2] It was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period,[3] although rising sea levels gradually reduced it to low-lying islands before its final abandonment, perhaps following a tsunami caused by the Storegga Slide.[4]"
No.565
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No.915
Let's try to get back on topic with this, lel
http://www.vikingsofbjornstad.com/VikingMovies.htm^ Looks like there's at least 5 dozen movies on that list, holy moly
No.964
>>915There's also a lot to throw in the trash there, Vikingdom for example.
Btw, sauce on image pls.
No.970
>>964Lawl yeah, that one looks awful as fuck - Cheap CGI and all that
He also forgot to add Frozen
>sauce on image plsThose are actual quotes from Ingmar Bergman, taken from his wikipedia page
Stanley Kubrick said similar things about the natsocs btw
No.1115
This was pretty laff
I think the original Nibelungen will be next on my list
No.1117
No.1119
>>471>Centurion (about the VII Legion)>7th Legion>Dark Kingdom: The Dragon King (Sigfried and the Ring of the Nibelungs)>Outlander>Vikings (TV series)Hail the Picts!
No.1124
>>1117Yeah that one is supposed to be extremely historically accurate in terms of the costumes and so on, i watched it at least partially a few years back but only in a localized version of where i'm living, not the original one
No.1195
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>>1157Dem feelz
>>1119Seen all of those, but what's "7th legion" supposed to be? Seems like that's not even a movie but rather a game or something
No.1203
>>1119I couldn't even finish centurion..
It seemed so bland.
Like "we are the only survivors. Now we have to rescue our general that may, or may not be dead" then the romantic subplot between the main character and the guide?
Ugh
No.1204
>>1195My bad, the movie's name was "the last legion" and it was about the 7th legion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Legion No.1211
>>1203Yeah I saw Centurion. The Pictish warpaint looked like a blue version of douchebag Maori tattoos as worn by white people. Would've been nice for something authentic, for once
No.1453
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Arthur_%28film%29I watched the director's cut of this the other day, pretty fucking awful flick overall
The portrayal of the (anglo-)saxons was inaccurate as fuck and kosher too, that's some typical hollywood history for ya
I'll pick a random movie from that viking movie list website next i think
No.1470
>>477>>483>>486grendel's mother was a horrific train wreck that ruined the entire film for me. but then again, that's what happens when you let a jewish writer handle an adaptation of a purely germanic epic.
it goes in the same file as the marvel thor films.
No.1471
>>1470I never liked thor comics to begin with but the thor movies are just an embarrassment
>OY GEVALT THOR WE NEED TO SHOW THOSE EBUL NAZIS THAT THEIR GODS ARE BLACK TOO >SHUT UP LOKI I NEED TO SAVE MY JEWISH GIRLFRIEND No.1472
>>1453never saw it but the look of the saxons just isnt quite right
No.1473
>>1471>heimdallr: whitest of the gods>played by idris elbaplease, just walk up quietly behind me and put a spear into my neck
No.1474
>>1473at least idrid elba is an okay actor and its stupid enough that it almost feels ironic or trollish
the god of the swastika having a boner for natalie kike portman though is like shitting on the grave of all of our ancestors and then putting a stickynote saying "rayciss" on anyone who shows disgust
No.1475
>>1474i have no real objection to him as an actor. it was a
casting decision that can only be described as "calculated insult".
No.1476
>>1475those movies have never really gotten an emotional response from me though. I'm probably the most fanatic heathen I've met and yet I feel like those movies shouldn't even be classified in the same area as our mythology. It's like bringing up a 12 year olds argument in a political science class for university.
alot of heathens say that the movies can be useful because it will attract people to study the lore, but come on, do we really want the kind of people who watch marvel movies to join our faith?
this is why we have so many "Heathens Against Hate" SJW faggots nowadays who think thor loves black people more than anyone, including nordics
No.1477
>>1476>those movies shouldn't even be classified in the same area as our mythology. It's like bringing up a 12 year olds argument in a political science class for university. that's exactly what i mean when i say neil gaiman's beowulf should be filed alongside them. it was 3d technology demo trash on a half-assed phoned-in superficial adaptation of the beowulf epic.
No.1478
>>1477beowulf makes me a little angrier than the thor movies somehow. one of the most sacred heroic legends of the anglo saxons defiled with modern cinema garbage.
cant wait to the nibelungenlied directed by steven spielberg
>this time, sigurd will be a black man! that way fafnir represents the evil white supremacy>regin should be a white man to symbolize his treachery >sigurd will win the love of all the nordic women with his giant black peni-i mean sword
>WHAT A MASTERPIECE SO TOLERANT No.1483
Imagine if they made another Beowulf movie
>Chis Hemsworth as Beowulf
>Ian Mckellen as Hrothgar
>Tom Hiddleson as Unferth
>CGI shitfest as Grendel
>stay's true to the story
Some of these actors are expensive, but you would get it all back on opening night because of the fan girls that kiss the ground Hiddleson walks on
No.1984
>>488Can I use this as an opportunity to shamelessly shill for my board
>>>/me/?
Nobody made a Tolkien board yet so I thought I would. If we could get some flag or banner makers in here that'd be great.
No.1991
Just watched "Severed Ways: Norse Discovery of America" and it was pretty good. "The Vikings!" with Kirk Douglas was alright. And so is "Erik the Viking". I really enjoy "Ironclad" as well even though the Vikings are seen as enemies.
No.2017
I think it was called something else in its American release, but Sword of Xanten is worth a watch in my mind. It's a fairly lengthy two-part movie retelling of the story of Siegfried.
No.2018
>>1453It was awful, absolutely. The historical inaccuracies, regarding migration-era Saxons with crossbows and such, were painful enough but man the story was just not good either.
>>2017>>1119>Dark Kingdom: The Dragon KingThat's the one, the American name for Sword of Xanten.
No.5596
>>2018
Wait, the saxons had crossbows?
wtf?
No.5602
>>2018
>>5596
The type of crossbow might be wrong but crossbows themselves were quite common going back to all the way to ancient Greece.
No.5637
Just watched Valhalla Rising
man that was a mindfuck
No.5819
>>5637
For real, I watched it years ago, didn't really get it, thought it was just SO RANDUMB. Watched it again a few months ago and I still don't think I understood it properly but I felt like I got something more from it than I did before. Maybe I need to watch it again sometime.
No.6501
>>1453
There are more "pagan" themes in Excalibur (1981)
No.6504
>>5637
yeah I watched it just last night too and I thought it was visually and thematically interesting but the story was shit.
I tuned out around the deliverance-esque scene
No.6535
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>>6501
Never watched it, but the ending together with Wagner is pretty good.
No.6537
>>6535
Movie is pretty good it gets weird though when they search for the grail.
No.6581
>>6535
What the FUCK. I'm at the part where he marries that queen chick and there's literally a random fucking nigger standing in the background. Holy fucking shit
No.6582
This is actually getting me mad as fuck right now. Did some kike direct this movie or what? This fucking nigger was never shown once in the movie up until this point. They literally just shoved him in there so that the audience sees him. There were no nigger knights in ancient britain, for FUCKS sake.
This is almost as bad as that random nigger in that one jewlywood viking movie from 1956 or something
Smh just smh
No.6583
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Also that merlin dialogue during that scene lel
>"The one god drives away the many gods, the spirit of the wood grows silent"
Truly based bro-tier, Merlin confirmed pagan?
No.6587
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur_%28film%29#Criticism
>In trying to explore the world of men, it’s argued that Boorman ignored women and the roles they had in the original text.
LOL, fucking SJW's on bolshevikipedia are also crying about how "mysoginistic" that movie is.
Well anyway, i wouldn't say it's a masterpiece but there definitely was a genuine effort involved on the part of the irish guys who filmed this. Fuck that one nigger during the wedding ceremony though, what the fuck
No.6608
>>6583
I'm pretty sure "wizards" in pre-Christian Europe were simply the priesthood of the gods.
The name literally means wise man IIRC.
So yes.
No.6633
Haha wtf. That is so fucking stupid. That nigger is literally only in that one scene so i didn't even notice him at all. He shouldn't even be in the film, its an old film back when people were probably racist.
No.6643
>>6633
Would have to give the movie credit though at least they did not cast the nig as "Arthur" but instead had him as a background extra in one scene. I mean they could have went full Jewlywood and had him cuck Arthur or some shit.
No.9432
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Any1 know what dis movie is called
No.9456
>>520
the fishing people? i thought they were named after inguz
No.9495
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death_(film)
Just finished watching this piece of shit… What an utter judeo-christian anti-pagan bluepilled revisionist atrocity propaganda turd this one was, oh boy;
>DUDE all pagans are actually atheistic hedonist satanists lmao xDD
>WE WUZ JUST IN SLAYING LE EBUL HEATHENS and totes dindu nuffins!! Torture methods were actually pagan and TOTALLY not invented by christians during the forced conversions!
No. Just no. Fuck this piece of shit so much holy fuck
No.9497
>>9495
Kind've reminds me of the original 1973 version of "The Wicker Man":
>Lok out Chrizans! Does qwazy Pguns r gonna try 2 humanz sacrifize uuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!
Though at least it has the decency to be an entertaining and effective horror film in it's own right.
No.9498
>>1115
It started out as a fairly solid adaptation. That is, until Angelina Jolie. In fact, the moment you see her laughably ridiculous high-heeled feet on screen, is the precise moment the movie jumps the shark. They should've just stuck to the original tale.
No.9499
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Though the animation is Disney quality, and the character designs are great, the overall quality of this movie is uneven.
As in there are parts of the movie that are just pure unadulterated filler that go on and on and on to an obnoxious degree. Like the animators were collectively going "Ooooh! Ooooh! Look what we can do!" and just getting off on the cool stuff they could animate.
The parts where there is actual plot and direction are pretty solid though. Overall, it's worth at least a watch.
No.9505
guise what is the best Beowülf film adaption? in terms of historical accuracy and non jewishness
>>9495
just read the summary of the story, that sounds terrible
No.9507
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>>9505
The version starring Christopher Lambert, from the producers of Mortal Kombat of course!
In all seriousness, your guess is as good as mine.
No.9509
>>9505
>>9505
>Beowülf
>ü
Läl
No.9519
Are you even trying /asatru/?
No.9522
>>9519
LOL most of those movies are shit and are for christcucks. and LOTR is not christian, fuck off.
No.9545
>>9522
Some of them are jokes and memes but a good third are counted among the best films ever made.
>LOTR is not christian
Debatable, Tolkien's Valar are a Christianized Aesir, angelic even. Middle Earth's Ragnarok/Armageddon is won (Christian finality) unlike the repeating cycle of the Eddas. Gandalf's death and ressurection in Moria is more reminiscent of Christ than Wotan (self-sacrifice for others rather than for knowledge). Etc.
No.9555
>>9522
LOTR is based on charlegmane's replacmeent for pagan myth.
Yep, its christcuck to the core.
We watch Conan the barbarian anyway. because we are men
No.9558
>>9555
>charlegmane's replacmeent for pagan myth.
Could you elaborate on this?
No.9562
>>9555 (checked)
Funny that you should take inspiration for manliness from a basement dwelling mick that lived with his mother into old age and killed himself.
No.9577
>>9562
>Til old age
He was like 29 when he killed himself. But also he was still a hell of a lot smarter than you also very influential. He did more with his NEET life than you could ever do with you "successful" life, cuck.