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New title set for June 30:

Shihai no Kyoudan


Details (from anon, taken off scans): The main character is a problem student who was suspended after being framed of a crime by pink hair. He felt ostracized after the teachers and the teachers believed in his false guilt and continue to treat him that way after he come back to school with the pink-hair making sure the truth doesn't come out (Not to mention the other students as well). After finding one of them doing something perverted (the pink one) he gets a lightbulb, gets revenge on her, and plan on doing the bishop story.

The story parts mention a lot about the teachers doing humilating stuff and finding pleasure in it and making strong intelligent women turn into sluts

Sansha Mendan pristine excellent translation released: https://dekirutranslations.wordpress.com/2017/11/30/sansha-mendan-immoral-edition-full-translation-patch/

Kutsujoku (Humiliation) is out http://www.bishop.jp/products/ktjk/index.html

Links: https://acgche.com/64650/ + Sofmap drama cd https://mega.nz/#!2y4A2TxI!RzEauBC2cP-GcjVexE8PQNn4Qw96OBxAaDLsXCJ8Hnw

Though I'm excited to see Akagi and Oonari getting dual spotlight again (two games in a row, makes you think they really did sign him on for the foreseeable future), I'm not seeing a milk on those nipples.

It's literally just a sketch, though.



Again, as the translator of the summary, that I could be wrong. The only thing I'm utterly sure about is the student being framed of the crime, the pink-hair having something to do with it, and that she has a perverted body


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lat thread's scans of the new game



No we will trust that you are 100% accurate and if you get anything wrong of if we get heavily disappointed again we will hate you forever.


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Also the proto-cover art



Thanks…well the Japanese threads say something similar. They even compared the girls to previous heroines and I was able to get some new info

Pink: Kasumi, Kaho (chronic masturbator) and a new teacher

Blue: Hatsune, Yuuri (Clueless about sex)

Blonde: Kaede, Shino, Kazuha (Milk tits) and english teacher

Silver: Naomi, Kaede (Emotionless) and the nurse

Brunette: Kurumi, Asahi (Loli with tits) and the gym teacher apparently

Once the bugbug new edition comes out, more things can become clear, as well as better translator can make things out better then I can


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You're Aces, mate. This is the juice right here

Good to see a return of the chronic masturbator. That's gonna be a mess of fun. Also that the blond is an Eng teach with cow tits is beyond amazing.

Hopefully we get some ahegao previews since we got burned last time over the lack of post-break scenes. Mahiro-anon in particular got hit bad.



>making strong intelligent women turn into sluts

My hope lies in this hasty translation. Please actually mind break them this time Bishop.

Sidenote, the blonde makes my dick Jojo part 4.



>Sofmap drama CD

Hmm, excuse me, but what is a drama CD ? Extended audio only story I presume ?


Even Kutsujoku has mindbreak for most the girls (just late into the game instead of halfway point), so I don't think there's much to worry.

I remember tweets and such talking about how Kutsujoku was made with the goal of really driving home the whole humiliation and sadistic aspects, treating the girls as meat dolls and all that. So as long as this game isn't as focused on humiliation and degradation, it probably won't be like that.

One thing I do hope is a bit similar to kutsujoku is the sexual content, though. The harsher play Kutsujoku has was really a return to form after a string of more uninspired, playing it excessively safe games. And to have hardcore sex you don't really need to go all grimdark in the narrative, as many other Bishop games have harsher sex but aren't nowhere as bleak as Kutsujoku.



Audio-only, yes.

Typically it's either post-game story or just fun additional scenario content. More commonly it can be an alternate route altogether, like how the entire story is rewritten from head-to-toe with Kara no Shoujo's drama cd.

BISHOP decided to use drama cds as "What If" or "Vanilla" routes, so instead of hearing more post-break Ayana and Anju since we get so little of that in KTJK (literally just the very endings) you get to hear what it'd be like if you didn't use super powers to break them but fell in with them some other way. It's lame compared to having more post-break stuff but it's nice enough I suppose and it does confirm what is always true of every BISHOP girl in any BISHOP game - they are sluts.

In Anju's she gets hot for you after your graduation and teases you into having sex with her. She wants to "monopolize the protagonist" is what the sofmap description said, if I remember right. Basically just goes to show that if it wasn't for the superpower subjugation of the protag Anju would be sexually dominant like some horny MILF eating a shota. Even includes a brief prostate massage to get him back up again.


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>The harsher play

It's confirmed by that glimpse in the second pic, upper right >>170603 of her bent over the desk with her arms taped together that at least Blond Cow definitely has that harsh play that's typical of classic BISHOP, so I doubt they'll change that. They're even keeping the proper coloring, too.

>Even Kutsujoku has mindbreak for most the girls (just late into the game instead of halfway point)

That's the problem. We wouldn't have minded KTJK as much if

1. The protag wasn't a literal idiot and careless ass (the latter being pretty inconsistent because BISHOP can't bring themselves to write a genuinely reprehensible MC, only an annoying one)

2. The girls don't break until their last two scenes, if that.

And let's not even get into Mahiro.

I'd almost have paid money just to get the second half of KTJK where you get to have scenes of them fully broken. Almost. Thankfully BISHOP isn't as shyster as Waffle and don't sell DLC for a friggin visual novel . who even does that?

Anyway, I want a game exploding with ahegao and broken pleasure slaves where we get to actually revel in and enjoy the breaking scene and pregnancy confession scene. Ruining those two were chief among KTJK's "muh dark" garbage crimes. Have to skip over them just to enjoy it.so stupid



Kutsujoku does have some pretty good ahegao, just look at the OP pic.

I agree there should have been more, but that's a complaint I extend to most of modern Bishop. Ever since Mesu Kyoushi 4 (and obviously, with a few exceptions) ahegao has been restricted to post-break/retraining scenes. I miss games like SM or UK where every penetrative sex scene would be capped off with an ahegao. I think what little ahegao it had was still better than most of the ahegao after MK4.


Okay I was able to make things out a bit better of the translation with a better japanese reader.

The protag being framed of the crime? That part is true.

However, the story is that when he was able to return back, the pink-head actually apologized to him for misunderstanding what happened and asked what she can do to make it up to him.

Well he did what all BISHOP protags would do (Not helped by the leverage of knowing the secret of her perverted body) and decided to take revenge on the school that framed him as well as the teacher he lusted for.

So pink hair isn't evil. Her character description made me confused since it called her harsh. But apparently its more because she wants her students to succeed and decided stern was the best method…still has a massively slutty body though

It's a shame though that we didn't have n evil pink-head…though if one of the other teachers was responsible, then that would make up for it.

Given that Pink-head is a slut, Blue is clueless, Blonde has milk tits…Yeah I think this game will have mindbreak. I hope we're just overreacting over Kutsojoku, and this game will be fine.


Oh, and can someone post an archive to the previous thread?


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>most of the ahegao after MK4.

Well that's not really arguable considering the fewer and weaker ahegao we get, even with Oonari pulling overdrive with his fun melty mouth. I really just want more of that pleasure overload like you pointed out with each scene even pre-break.

The fun of KTJK's scenes (most of them) is that the girls are desperately trying to deny that they are enjoying it so it doesn't show in their face as heavily as in the retraining scenes but even then it's not as joyously wild as in the endings - mostly.

Hopefully they keep that to KTJK since it fits better despite still being a disappointment


>The protag being framed of the crime? That part is true.


>when he was able to return back, the pink-head actually apologized to him for misunderstanding what happened and asked what she can do to make it up to him.

Doesn't matter. It's a shame she won't be the villainess we hoped for, since we really need a return of those, but at least the protag has a reason to do what he does. You don't just ruin a guy's life and go "Oopsy".

>It's a shame though that we didn't have n evil pink-head…though if one of the other teachers was responsible, then that would make up for it.

I won't get my hopes any higher than this info already's made them but agreed. Absolutely agreed.

>Given that Pink-head is a slut, Blue is clueless, Blonde has milk tits…Yeah I think this game will have mindbreak. I hope we're just overreacting over Kutsojoku, and this game will be fine.

Well from what you've discerned over what they've given us this seems like EXACTLY the kind of classic BISHOP we've been pining for. Now all we need is ahegao and break confirmation.



>Oh, and can someone post an archive to the previous thread?

Gotcha covered https://archive.is/IDwiX



That's a bit disappointing, I was looking forward to a mean pink. Well I'm sure she'll still be fun, like Kasumi and Shion are with their pent up lewdness.


And another thing. Apparently the title translate something like: Podium of Domination

Basically teacher's podium and all that stuff.

Again, this has good implication for a mindbreak game



>Podium of Domination

It's entirely promising, I'll say that. But we do still need screens before we can let the hype build again. If we get burned twice I don't even know man

Just gotta keep an eye out and see, though yeah, from title to titty this is looking promising


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>tfw the second to last scene is the pregnant girl getting before class, calling an assembly, etc and getting railed as a public declaration of her servitude/adoration for her master

>tfw the ending is the guy gets kicked out for a second time but he brings one of his teachers along with him

Sort of a kamikaze bukkake


Been replaying Kutsojoku for Tomoe…God damn do I hate it! In a usual BISHOP story, Tomoe gets more and more perverted, steadily grows more attracted to the MC, enjoys getting pregnant…

But that's not here! She hates what being done to her body, becomes downright terrified of the MC at the end, and responded to her pregnancy how realistically one would. The fact that she gets all heart like in her endings is just hollow.

It shows pathetic this MC is. All the others MC eventually had their girls fall in love/lust with them over a rather short period of time if you go by one girls only (Two weeks top), but this guy could barely cause a reaction until it was too late for this game to redeem itself

I've been wanting to rant a bit, and seeing Tomoe crying for most of her h-scenes was what did it, since in a proper BISHOP game she would stop crying after the first training scene, and just kept on blushing instead.

And I usually enjoy BIshop girls crying since I know they will eventually become a slut. But in this game it is just hollow



… is it wrong that complete orgasms so intense that they cause mind obliteration brain seizures are my fetish


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Yeah, that's why KTJK sucks overall, and the real nail in the coffin was ruining the submission scene and pregnancy confession. Ruining those and making a game supposedly about humiliation more focused on fear because "muh dark" was a stupid decision, and we all hope the next game will be the proper return to form.

That being said, let me see if I can help you enjoy KTJK a little bit since it's not entirely trash to its core. Yeah some routes are better than others, clearly a mark of the different writers for the girls I'd say, but there is a common theme throughout of the girls actually enjoying the painful pleasure abuse but desperately trying to deny it. This is what I meant by "enjoying KTJK means having to go through a scooby mystery" in a previous post. Let me show you how to investigate–

1. The first thing you need to notice is the 'bouncing screen effect and the white flash effect. Now, in classic BISHOP works we'd have a picture of the girl's face flash in front of the screen to show how they're getting off to what's happening, even Shino in MK3 despite her blood-curdling cries has this effect, signifying how she came. Remember Yuuna from Sansha Mendan and how that first scene looked the most like a genuine rape…only for it to be later revealed she actually liked it the whole time?

We don't get that with KTJK because "muh dark" but BISHOP couldn't go all the way with that, settling for some weird spot between trash and good ol' BISHOP which leaves everyone hardly satisfied, hence the lack of proper mind-break until the very end. An anon gave a great post about this in the last thread if you want a look.

Anyway, you don't get the fun of classic BISHOP but fun is still able to be had despite the "muh dark" and carrot juice faggot protag, you just gotta look for it.

The screen flashing white indicates orgasm or intense sexual pleasure spike whereas the screen bouncing effect signifying impact, however in KTJK this effect doubles as the female orgasm sign.

>inb4 but the narration doesn't always say that

The narration is from a protag so stupid he thought the juice coming from Anju's crotch was just sweat even after licking it and only later does he realize she was lying. Dude's so stupid he can't even work with her measurements and tells her to say them in centimeters to make it easier for him.

He's not exactly the most reliable narrator.

Look at webm related and notice how in Anju's scene the screen effect doesn't occur the first time the protag cums inside her, yet it does when he cums inside the second time. Notice also how in the second ejaculation and into the third her face shows the pleasure she's trying to deny. Tomoe screen-bounces from the get-go despite her crying and whimpering, which means what?

Lots of anons thought that the hearts in dialogue mean something but it doesn't in KTJK since the narration keeps telling you it's all a put-on. However, as I said, the narration's insight is inconsistent, just like the protagonist who, despite being an irredeemable whiny Supreme Gentleman sometimes shows signs of being the classic BISHOP protagonist (I've mentioned this before) - though rarely and not in those two great BISHOP moments I mentioned earlier which they moronically ruined for their "muh dark".

Once you realize that the girls are indeed "IKU IKU IKUUUUU~" but orgasming against their will, not wanting to accept the pleasure they're deriving from the protag's cruelty, you start to recognize that the fear aspect is merely half the story. Yes, they're afraid and so they start to play-act as his slaves, however they also are "killing their heart" over the internal conflict of thrilling in the pleasure while hating it. There's a quiet fleshly schizophrenia that's really sexy in KTJK but you don't recognize it unless you pay attention and look under the "muh dark" hood of this shabby car.



Lastly is the dialogue and voice acting. This is pretty easy since you can hear the difference in their voices from when they're just being raped or frightened and when they start to get that sweet, sweet hot breath of passion. These seiyuu are big time vets and they pulled this off perfectly. You can really tell when they're putting up a forced smile and when they're actually starting to degrade because their bodies are getting so hooked on it.

Lots of us thought KTJK was going to be about the girls' bodies being enslaved before their minds since the protag's power was the inverse of the usual saimin/hypnotism schtick. In a sense it's obvious that's what BISHOP intended and it shows.

Maybe they changed their minds or there were too many cooks over the pot, but somehow this humiliation game took on a fear and muh darkness, muh misery theme - or perhaps that's what they always intended - and so the idea of the girls at all being broken before the ending (as is hinted at in the preview video of the game where their gem hearts shatter right at the very end and the repeated "she's killing her heart" line in the game). Whatever the reason, the idea that the girls begin to submit physically before submitting in their heart is still present and it's the main cause as to why there isn't way more super-power usage as the routes progress. Yes, fear has to do with that but also that they begin to submit themselves against their will.

Maybe another the reason they chose to implement this thing of being frightened and scared is because they couldn't think of another way the girls would physically submit themselves without also submitting in their heart. Who knows? Point is, at the end of the day the girls do enjoy it (well…most of them) and their struggle to deny this is very clear.

If the protag wasn't beastly but as verbally slick as the previous MCs maybe he could have broken them like usual but that'd be against the overall muh dark and slooooOOOOOOoow degradation theme of the game.

So to summarize:

- Girls orgasm like sluts over being used like dolls and being forced, but they don't want to accept the pleasure so they start a conflict with their bodies and their hearts that doesn't end until the last scenes of the game.

- Protag is a literal idiot; don't always take what he says even in monologue at face value

- Protag is not entirely consistent with the "entitled Ellio Roger faggot" characterization and sometimes shows consideration for the girl - though VERY, VERY rarely (although his fascination in making them orgasm is pretty neat and not entirely expected of a selfish douche who'd demand they use onahole lube to wet their slits because he's horny and doesn't want to waste time with foreplay)

- Girls are genuinely terrified and burdened and can even become depressed, but that doesn't remove the internal struggle or negate the fierce orgasms they have which often knock them into muttering messes on the floor

Once you realize at least this much you'll be able to salvage quite a bit of fun from KTJK - mostly.


Before anyone says anything, I already know why the pregnancy confession scene and the submission scene (where they accept their Master and being slaves) are ruined. They happen too early and the girls aren't broken yet

doesn't change how crap it is


Honestly at this point I'm just tired of this thread incessant bitching about this game.

I get it, you don't like it and you've already made all your reasons pretty clear over the months.

Do you guys still need to be in autistic seething rage mode months after still repeating the same thing about how the game is NOT MUH?

I have gripes with KTJK myself, but goddamn it's just tiresome at this point.



Sorry, sorry. Let's just hype up for the next game instead


I think it just boils down to a very simple fact - enjoying Kutsujoku rides a lot on how much one enjoys sadism and more extreme dominance.

A lot of complaints I see thrown around are for people who enjoy more reciprocity. More corruption than mindbreak I'd say, the girl seeking pleasure on her own after being forcefully fed a taste of it instead of her being literally broken and remodeled into someone who seeks pleasure. Bishop tends to have elements of both (Ootsu even talked on twitter about how between him and another writer there's one who likes the girls "becoming chairs for the protagonist to sit on" and other who likes more lovey scenarios. This was way before KTJK was even announced), but leans more towards corruption. There's still a mindbreak element but it's not as strong, by the moment we reach what we call the "break scene" the girl has already accepted pleasure and just needs a final push into accepting her subservience.

Kutsujoku is firmly on rape and mindbreak territory, the girls are abused to the point of breaking, they aren't given the option to seek pleasure in their own because the protagonist is in complete control of them (literally, in this case, due to the body manipulation), so instead of a gradual change of heart, they are just pushed to a literal breaking point where the pleasure takes over.

I enjoy both approaches so I don't really have a problem with Kutsujoku's tone or pacing. Even more so since we also have games like Shura no Chikando in the past where the breaking element is completely absent, and others like MK3 where it's really light. So I don't mind a swing in the other direction either. As long as these titles leaning more towards one side or the other are intertwined by ones that strike a better balance.

My problems with Kutsujoku basically amount to not liking the protagonist very much, I prefer the ones that are more mustache twirling, over the top schemmers like Reiji, the MK protagonists save for 3, and Ryou. Actually I think if the protagonist of this game wasn't as bitchy and entitled a lot of people would have an easier time with it. You can have a sadistic protagonist without devolving into /r9k/.

And I'd prefer it the game had more post-break content to have better grounds to see the heroine's change. The one or two scenes in the end are too little

But that's the extent of problems I have with it. The art is gorgeous, the voice acting and music are also pretty good and as I said I enjoy both corruption with the girl seeking pleasure on her own and seeing them completley dominated.



Nah i will voice my anger at that game as much as i want.

Just look at this shit >>170612, this is Mahiro's

non pregnant ending. This is not arousing, this is not sexy, this not a fucking BISHOP ending at all. Pregnant is as bad where Mahiro gets tortured every day as protag has a chest full of things to torture her with. And why? Just because she,reasonably, told Ayana he is a lost cause and made Ayana reveal her true motives. Why not threat Ayana, the one that literally caused his mental breakdown, as harsh? Becuase of BS, thats it.

I know many people complain about BISHOP being pretty formulaic but thats their freaking appeal! Familiarity! They literally are the only ones that makes quality corruption games that arent about turning girls into a bunch of dudes cumdump. Like can anyone even mention a corruption game in the same style as BISHOP? Those are barely made.

So fuck this "lets move on", i wont fucking move on until their next game is an actual classic corruption game!



Well feel free to be angry as much as you want then. It would be hypocritical to say otherwise because I used to be this way towards MK3.

Also while I agree Bishop has an identity for their corruption games, I don't mind some experimentation, as I said here >>171122

>we also have games like Shura no Chikando in the past where the breaking element is completely absent, and others like MK3 where it's really light. So I don't mind a swing in the other direction either. As long as these titles leaning more towards one side or the other are intertwined by ones that strike a better balance.

Also about games similar to Bishop, while there aren't any exactly like it I I think there are companies (and individual games from otherwise diverse companies) that do hit similar notes to Bishop. Lune, for one. While not all their games have this corruption element to them, they're frequent enough. It's true that I don't remember any other companies tht do this frequently, but I sure do remember individual games.

https://vndb.org/v20603 from Witchflame is an example, the protagonist has an ability that makes the girls turned on and obedient to him the longer they stay around him. So he invites a lot of women to an insland and proceeds to make them slaves. I think https://vndb.org/v18942 has a similar feel to it but I never played it.

POISON is not a company you'll enjoy in general, because they have some gangbang situations, but their debut game https://vndb.org/v6762 is MC only. Also https://vndb.org/v19600 is also protagonist only and has somewhat slowburn corruption. However those games being hypnosis focused don't have as much in the way of the girls resisting. Even if they hate the protagonist initially (in W Saimin they do, in Oyako not), they are entranced when they fuck the first few times, before changes to their sexual desires and opinion on him start sticking.

On the topic of hypnosis, Fudegaki also has games with protagonist only focus like https://vndb.org/v15873 and https://vndb.org/v20681 and it's sequels.

Before you point out the obvious, they aren't the same as Bishop but they feel similar (especially the ones that don't involve mind control, for obvious reasons. The MC ones still do a similar thing with how the girl progress but mind control is different than mindbreak). I still prefer Bishop to any of these, but it's not like Bishop is a complete unicorn when it comes to corruption.



Oh, there's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQdCtnqDmBs which is coming out this month. While it's also a hypnosis game, it seems the main point is using hypnosis to make the girls seek pleasure and seek the protagonist on their own, discovering their own inner lust. They even use similar terms like saying the girls will become "slaves to the pleasure", the protagonist has an assistant who is also his slave, that sort of thing. And at least from what was said in their campaign, there doesn't seem to be any sharing going on either.

This is one of the games I have the highest expectations of being similar to Bishop (despite the art, obviously, not being as good), but I will only be able to tell for sure when it comes out. Could be that their campaign sounds better than what they actually do on the game. A lot of it sure does sound like something from Bishop or Lune to me.



>this is Mahiro's non pregnant ending.

Actually I'm pretty sure that's the pregnancy ending but she's given birth already. She actually likes it there but they didn't give her ahegao until she orgasms later.

But yeah the non-pregnant ending isn't so good


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>ヒトヅマサイミンカウンセリング Hitozuma Saimin Counseling

It seems interesting but Interheart games are usually pretty short since most of the scenes involve move animations. It'd be nice to get another game like Kyonyuu Saimin 2 where you get the choice of being an evil villain or a nice guy (despite the whole "hypnotism sex" thing).

One of those ones you mentioned was hilarious with the amount of inbreeding it has due to parallel universe shenanigans.

>母娘催眠~オヤコサイミン~ Oyako Saimin

Seems neat. It's old but the artwork doesn't look bad despite the age.

Those Fudegaki games are pretty weak tho Looked at them a while back in galleries and eh

I'd prefer carrot juice to second pic related anyday honestly

I think others in these BISHOP generals are used to such a higher quality in art, effect and writing that it'd be kinda hard to go into these games. It'd be for me, though I'm curious about the Interheart one.

Good try for reccommends thou


>So fuck this "lets move on", i wont fucking move on until their next game is an actual classic corruption game!

relax Shihai no Kyoudan is probably gonna be a lot better just from what we know already the protagonist actually has a reason to do what he does so he's probably not gonna be a faggo

what anons want is sexual pleasure overload, utter devistation, then for them to become love slaves not just sex slaves and for it to happen partway into the story not at the very end and since even Nips mentioned that aspect as disappointing I think BISHOPs listened


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You must be trolling anon

There's no way something with a scene like this is similar to a BISHOP game



True enough. I had forgotten how hardcore the principal and daughter route was. It was my least favorite I basically never revisited.

Ignore this recommendation then, or at least stay away from that route.



That's alright it happens. Kinda funny how we just ignore routes we hate and when we look back we're like "Oh wait yeah that was in the game too wasn't it?"

Kinda like that one really boring stretch of a vidya your mind blocks out until you replay it and groan as it all comes back to you lol



>It'd be nice to get another game like Kyonyuu Saimin 2 where you get the choice of being an evil villain or a nice guy (despite the whole "hypnotism sex" thing).

Some of the writers/directors at Lune like that kind of stuff, though they don't do it all the time. The Princess Saimin game they released recently have alternate endings for all heroines, one where it becomes more loving and one where it's full on slave, with the girls locked away in basements and such.

I haven't played Kyonyuu Daikazoku Saimin but according to >>142808 it's like that as well.

I also which it was more common, it's nice tosee the relationships develop differently, though I almost always end up going evil route (unless the evil route devolves into guro or ryona, not fond of that kind of thing). Don't think it will be the case with this Interheart game though.

>It seems interesting but Interheart games are usually pretty short since most of the scenes involve move animations.

I never played anything from them, that's a shame, That's the downside of having animations, the games always end up shorter. Still curious though, the writer for that game never was the main writer of anything so I'm more curious to see what he does with the concept.

>Those Fudegaki games are pretty weak tho Looked at them a while back in galleries and eh

I quite like Saiminbo, but most Fudegaki fans don't like this game for whatever reason. Maybe it's because it isn't as focused on hypnosis as the other works from them.

And yeah at the end of the day Bishop wins for production values alone - unless we're talking about something like Shura no Chikando which doesn't have art as good.

Even the games I'm not that fond of like Mesu Kyoushi 3 have such great art and voice acting it's still worth going back to play at least a few scenes to me.


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Yeah I hope Lune does more of that from now on. The "vanilla" elf forest was fun but more player input is better. It's something I missed from KTJK. Yeah collecting items to unlock certain scenes could be tedious to some but that coupled with the option to finish inside or bukakke, the more pre-MK4 mechanics, made it feel less like a straight job and more like a proper game.

You DO get the option of a non-preg or preg ending depending on whether or not you go through with the breeding training to the end, though, so there was that. I'd still like more of the old mechanics (without the time-wasting "semen build up" thing from UK which I'll admit made getting the harem ending more of a pain than pleasure because of time management) in the new title coming July.

Hopefully we get more options in the next game without sacrificing the re-implementation of preg or non-preg ends.

>Princess Saimin game they released recently have alternate endings for all heroines, one where it becomes more loving and one where it's full on slave, with the girls locked away in basements and such.

I didn't know that. Makes me almost want to try it again. I thought the stuff with the mother was weaker than it could have been which miffed me. Tried getting into it but I didn't like the near lack of choices and how the girls' routes were locked out until you visited another girl before you could continue them. Then again, I'm an anon who likes sameness with certain mechanics so changing it up like that bugs me.

Also who's bright idea was the strap-on stuff? dude

But yeah that duality is always the most fun and I wish more devs did it. Imagine a game as long as any BISHOP title with that kind of option? That'd be crazy, though I doubt they'd ever do that. In Kyonyuu Daikazoku Saimin Lune worked with only one artist. I can't imagine the logistical nightmare of doing the same thing with multiple artists.


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I miss the unique mechanics older Bishop games used to have too. I even like UK's build up system because it encourages the player to do the teasing events which give a really nice look on the process of corruption of the girls. It does involve a bit of saving and loading to always do the event that will rise the level by 2 instead of 1, but nothing major.

Preg and non-preg endings are a nice thing to have too, I really liked it in Chijoku no Seifuku and Kuro no Kyoushitsu. It's a nice incentive to replay and to use the "cum outside" option at all. I never use it otherwise.

And yeah Lune can keep better thematic cohesion in their games because it's usually one artist and a smaller writing team, while Bishop often has completely different people working on each route.

Here's a comparison of the endings of Kyonyuu Princess Saimin in the same vein of your Anju picture. Slave ending on top and lover ending on bottom. The slave endings aren't excessively dark, it is Lune after all, but the girls are broken and only think about pleasure and the protagonist treats them as his possessions and slaves to satiate lust, while in the lover ends, though they were still brainwashed, the protagonist grew to love them and kept them as a functioning person, just madly in love with him.



Man, maybe I should replay it. That's crazy different between them and I like that.

Is there a walkthrough or something, though? Because stumbling from one girl to another still bugs me.

>It's a nice incentive to replay and to use the "cum outside" option at all. I never use it otherwise.

EXACTLY! And is it just me or is it even more satisfying to finish inside when you have the option to finish outside, too? Even in a game like Sansha Mendan where inside/outside doesn't really effect anything there's just something neat about getting the option and you purposely choosing the inside option.

Though yeah actually having it affect the girl's route is best.


>Kuro no Kyoushitsu

Is that the game where they first implemented the setting lighting on the character sprites, where they're dark if the setting is dark and lighter in the daylight? Man what a great addition I'm glad they kept.

In contrast I don't really get the hot-breath option, even though I only realized I could turn it off afterwards since I saw the CGs on ehentai with them. I mean I get what they're supposed to be, further evidence of the girls getting so sexually heated you can see their breath in that anime style way, but when the artwork is so good it just dampens the little details.


You know, despite my disdain for Kutsojoku, there is a lot of things I wish they keep in it for future BISHOP games.

I wish they'd keep the coloring, Akagi Rio, the cum inside x-ray…we already know they're keeping the coloring and Akagi Rio, and I hope they keep the x-ray, those were hot.

The next game just can have everything the Kutsojoku have…except for the MC and the lack of mind break. Other then that, it would be perfect

Side note, what special power do you think the MC has? He's not a teacher, so he can't do the sexual training gimmick the gym teachers from KS, KNK, and KJ had. Most of the student MCs have something up with their dicks, with MK1/MK2 semen milk, MK3 dick growth, SM womb pierce, Gakuen 3 cum inflations, The only exception is MK4, but he was practically trained all his life for being a BISHOP protag so he doesn't count.

Personally I'm hoping for it to be like CNS, where they reveal some detail, only to reveal in one of the cgs, that the MC has cum inflation. It's been a while for it



Mk4's protag really didn't have any special ability, huh. He was very sexually experienced though. It made him know all the right buttons to push to make a girl feel good from sex, so much they were always gauranteed to orgasm from it. In that way his 'power' is probably the most 'realistic' and conventional one. It is all skill and experience in being a lady pleaser. I wouls outright say he is the most 'female friendly' if he didn't rape the girls, cause he almost always seeks to get the girls off first over himself. He is not sexually selfish and relishes in their own pleasure from the acts.



Yeah that's true, but to quote my comment 'Only exception is MK4'



Cum inflation would be killer IF we also get more than one pregnant scene (or one scene with multiple CGs, like in KTJK and earlier BISHOP titles). I don't want this UK-teir "well they look pregnant anyway so just do one scene at the end".

But yeah, good ol' semen-inflation would be great. If we already have Cow Tits returning then maybe we'll have that too, although in KTJK there were a few brief glimpses of the protag jamming their wombs, replete with the screen shake and the same sound effect, so they might do womb piercing again since it's less costly on the CGs and doesn't require more of them.

I'd prefer the inflation, though, since if it's womb piercing again I'd just end up comparing the new guy to SM's protag and that wouldn't be fair to him.


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MK4's protag was clearly a gray area common ground between MK3's lighter side (where the protag even accidentally confesses to Yoshii how he doesn't want to just sit around and let her do all the work because he's anxious about potentially not getting to rape her again, which makes her blush) and more classic BISHOP protags. He didn't have a unique power but that whole bit of him being a villain only because he was literally raised to be one and yet secretly wanting a family of his own - which he gets in the end no matter which girl he chooses, especially Maki where he gets married to her, moves somewhere in the boonies and knocks her up a second time, though still keeping her as his slave wife.

A return to that sort of ideal with BISHOP protags is what we need. It doesn't need to be as light as MK3 (which really isn't light, it's just the girls get more agency once they're broken) but it does need that classic BISHOP-style MC who, once he's conquered a woman and broken her, he takes care of her as his pet love slave (or slave wife whatever; not all of them got married though).

More like that scene where SM's protag is bantering with Marika and then he pats her head and she gives this cute, utterly corrupted smile of satisfaction.

You know, that's rather what an anon said earlier, that it's not just mind break but corruption and how BISHOP girls are at their best when they become corrupted to the point of basically being yandere and would do anything for their master.


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i wish more scenes like this, the subtle corruption to eventually turning them into private loving sluts, something KTJK lacked so much

Damn Marika made me so rock hard in SM

This better be in the next Bishop game (or at least something similar)



Anon why did you save that tiny pic?


Anyone know where you can find the latest bugbug?



No idea. I only found the ones a month late so no dice.

It'd help to get better scans of the previews for the new game but I think we've got all we're gonna get anyway



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In terms of picture yes, but not so in terms of words as its hard to read



Okay, this game will have four artists with Oonari working on 2 while Akagi, Tomoaki, and Umetori working on one each.

Oonari: Pink and Blue

Akagi: Blonde

Tomoaki: White/Silver/Purple (It's hard to tell)

Umetori: Brunette



Blond : Akagi, of course

Pink : Uriri

Blue : Tomoaki

Silver : Oonari

Brunette : Uriri/Oonari? Oonari maybe




So many artists. I miss the days of Kagami doing most heroines with only a little backup from Kanami or Tomoaki.


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Shame about the text being tiny, but YEAH BABY!

Look at that scene with the cow tits! Look at how the fingers sink into the skin as he presses the cheeks together, at how the shirt is stretched slightly from the waist because of the weight of the breasts on the table, at the angling of the hair and all that sweet, sweet color and shading!



Akagi's gonna make my new fave slavefu.

As for the other girls, I could have sword Oonari would be doing the red and blue hair, especially since the hairstyle and even the hair tie for the redhead is basically KTJK's Ayana.

But closer inspection of the faces makes me think Oonari is doing the redhead and the short stack.


You'll get your chance again, TrAnon. No worries. Get it? TrAnon - Translation Anon. I was gonna shorten that to "TransAnon" but considering the abuse of "trans" term these days…


Are you sure? Oonari is definitely Strawberry and Akagi is definitely Blond, but I think Short Stack's mouth in that handy scene is pretty Oonari to me.

I'd have guessed it was just Akagi (blond), the other artist for the kuudere nurse and Oonari for the other three.


Don't think I ever saw Uriri's work. Didn't know we'd have four artists instead of three.

Though if you've got almost one artist per-girl then I wonder what that'll turn out to in the end. Usually it'd have been Kagami with Oonari as back-up pro with a couple girls, but nearly one artist per girl? I don't know. It might require a bit too much micromanagement which would lead to potentially less scenes or variant scenes. We might not get preg/non-preg dual ending for each girl due to cost and time.

Or we might get even more dynamic scenes since the artist only has to focus on one girl. I have no idea.



Kanami did excellent touch-up work but I don't think Kanami did any girls wholesale. Wasn't it always just the dynamic duo of Kagami and Oonari?


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One of the neat things I like about Mesu Kyoushi 3 is that it felt like Kagami and Oonari swapped girls in the design phase, where Kagami made a girl with a more Oonari design aesthetic and Oonari made a typically more Kagami style girl.



Kanami did Hatsune and Narumi in Sansha Mendan.


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Miho and Suzuno is Uriri's.



Both of em are Oonari's.



Both of those girls are oonari girls though.



I have hopes for the new game silver. Suzuno is one of my favorite heroines and i love how many shots of her showed her ass.




I think his point is that Oonari made one girl thats his usual style (Pink) and other that have a Kagami flair (Lina).



yep, that one.

One of my favourite scenes in SM





No anon I was just retarded lol

Still, it's what you said that Oonari gave one of his girls a more Kagami flair which was neat.



I guess Shino was the Oonari styled girl Kagami did right?

Her design doesnt exactly screams Kagami and when she isnt ahegaoing she looks like an Oonari girl.


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Especially in a scene like this

Man, Shino was such a cutie cake


What makes Shino look so different is that she has tareme style eyes. Typically Kagami girls have pretty sharp looking tsureme style eyes or hosome eyes. It is what gives them that 'resting bitch face' glare.



I think its also the way she dresses and her personality, when you look at her and compare her to Mifuyu there is a world of difference.

Also the fact that you never see her really really hate the MC like most BISHOP Kagami heroines do, even the calm ones tend to look despising the MC when he rapes but not Shino.






You got examples of this, dude? I'd like to have a graphic or something so maybe we can see where the personalities of the new girls will be going. or for reference


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Well, using girls drawn by Oonari here, you've got tareme eyes on the left and tsurime eyes on the right. Tareme eyes slant outward, giving a softer look to the eyes, also making them look sort of droopy depending on the artist who draws them. Tsurime slant inward, giving them more of a glaring look. Both are generally unnatural looking eye shapes. Hosome is most 'natural' looking of the two, so basically middle ground.


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Preview from BugBug twitter.



Oh thank god, clearer words.

Well Pink and Blue are about the same. A nymphomaniac and a clueless chick

Blonde: A prideful english teacher who was born into money. Has everyone living in fear of her due to her high class and attitude. Has nothing but contempts for her tits which are as stated before, milk-filled

White: The cool stoic nurse of the school. A bit of an enigma amongst the students and staff, but is appreciated for her knowledge. Mentions something about her constitutions but I can't make out what.

Brown: The cheerful gym teacher of the school. Despite being childish in looks and personality, is a very talented athelete appreciated by the school. And despite her petite frame, she's more then admired for her ample chest.

So nothing new. I can't properly say what their names are, but at least we have the full shot now


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I hate romanizing names but here you go.




Huh. The white-haired chick is named Anna…honestly I was expecting that to apply to Miria, but its still interesting. I just love how the brunette is named Moeka




>inb4, Miria voiced by Misonoo Mei.


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>Akagi Rio's new girl is "Matsubara"

>His last girl was "Matsuura"

I wonder if girls with "Matsu" in their surname will be his schtick.

Also, yeah "Miria"? Then again, it's BISHOP we're talking about.


>Miria Matsubara

>Anna Tsukioka

>Moeka Takizawa

lol the Short Stack's name is "Moeka" as in "Moe-ka" like "Moe?"

And Yeah Oonari is definitely on Strawberry duty, and pretty sure he's got Blueberry too.

>Kotomi Hanamori

>Risako Kashima

Kashima? That sounds familiar. And MAN is her buisness skirt absurdly short. Isn't she supposed to be the extra pure virgin this time around? And what's with her lazy untucked shirt? Surely she needs someone to teach her how to be more professional :^)

Anyway my biggest hype is for Miria and Kotomi. I really enjoyed Anju way too much despite the disappointment of KTJK so seeing another explosive body like that and with the promise of cow tits has got me saving my money. Plus it looks like Akagi's picked up that style of "resting bitch face" anon mentioned earlier so it should be fun. I mean just look at the way the kin puffs out over the tape binding her arms. This guy is a master of smaller details.

Kotomi is gonna be really interesting considering she's supposed to be a hard teacher but she's so cute, and ever since MK3 I've had a HUGE stocking kick so that's gonna be sweet.

Also the Nurse is tan, and all the way tan. I just realized that. Sign me up for that, too.



Moeka's not like a meme name or anything, real people share it down to a T ( https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/野崎萌香 ), but yeah it uses the same kanji characters as "moe" so they were probably going at least slightly for a "lolol this character is moe so her name is moeka".


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I wouldn't mind it. She's a colossal vet seiyuu and she has the range, too. I still can't get over that these two had the same VA

Plus it'd feel like a superior Mahiro



You know, I thought the Anna had the standard pants, shirt, and jacket, but now that I take a closer look, It's a short white dress (And I do mean short) covered in some sort of black covering topped with white jacket.

Well she just keeps getting hotter



Oh okay, thanks TripsAnon.

heh At least I wasn't totally off.



You're probably thinking of Kashima from Nozaki-kun. They both have blue hair as well, so there's that


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Actually anon it's even more stylish than that. Look at this! She's like something out of a (good) JRPG! Anna's looking even more interesting than we first thought.



I wouldn't mind too, but, she's voicing too many BISHOP heroines in small span.

I hope they get mix of new VAs and veteran VAs.


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Oh yeah, maybe. Could've sworn we had a Kashima in another game, though


>I hope they get mix of new VAs and veteran VAs.

That would definitely be ideal


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Is she the first BISHOP heroine to have a western name?

Aniways im glad we are getting a dark skinned heroine again, Chisato is one of my favorite so im glad that i get to corrupt another tanned heroine.




>Is she the first BISHOP heroine to have a western name?

Nope, BISHOP already have many heroines with western name.



No we've had Western named heroines before, often English teachers or foreign exchange or something.

Though yeah, while I prefer light skin it's nice to have the variety and if she was designed to be tan from the start then it doesn't feel awkward. KTJK's odd inclusion of dark skinned sprites didn't make sense to me. Why would anyone want a dark skinned Anju, Ayana or especially Aika? It's weird.

But maybe that inclusion was just BISHOP testing out the dark skinned coloring again. Who knows? I just really like how uniquely she's dressed. Body types are most important but I do miss the more unique attire designs we would have on occasion (Anju dressing like a slut was alright but I mean the kinda stuff we see with Anna)


If you were making your own Bishop schools with you as a protag, which girls would you pick? I'd limit to one girl per game and make teachers and students separate.

In case you don't understand, here's my take (I decided on 5 girls as my limit and with different colors to boot!)















Well I'd definitely have young Asagi Tsubaki (although I'd add in Saori, too, if not for the "one girl per" rule)

I'd probably have Tomoe or Anju from KTJK, honestly. Maki from MK4 – oh, but Sayuri!

C-COME ON, ANON! Don't make me choose! I usually go with two faves per game and that's killin me lol


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The limitations of one girl per game for some unusual choices.


Kazuha, Tsubaki, Shizuka, Sasthi, Kiyoka.


Aina, Saya, Naomi, Maki, Kurumi.

I'm a bit salty I can't pick Akemi because she doesn't fit in either group.








Mahiro (If the protag is not a faggot like her game's)





Makino (If the protag isnt a cuck like UK).


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I just love Tsubaki's design because of how its a carbon copy of Asagi.

It's for all those fans who want to finally exclusively have sex with Asagi and knock her up!

Sure it's rape, but considering Bishop's girl gets a caring master, a content life with him, having children and just having a content life…

Yeah, its practically vanilla by Lilith standard



I don't understand the appeal of Asagi. Her artist drew much better heroines and her voice acting is nothing special. Why do I see her getting mentioned from time to time on cuckchan?

–checks the voice actress and her work history–

–all she ever does is boring cuckshit–

Ooooh, now I get it. Just a bunch of usual cucks who are popularizing their fetish. Nevermind.


>If you were making your own Bishop schools with a protag?

The protagonist would be lot more villanous, and never be a cuck. If any man (or even groups of men) dares to touch his woman, the least he would do is curbstomp the fuckers and then force them to eat glass.

What annoys me about "dark" hentai is that writers can't tell the difference between writing cuckporn and writing an actual dark story.

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>Sure it's rape, but considering Bishop's girl gets a caring master, a content life with him, having children and just having a content life…

Yeah the guy that gets one of his slaves get gangbanged sure its caring. The guy will whore Tsubaki out the moment it benefits him in some hard circumstance.



Dude, that was one A: In Takako ending only, and

B: I can't help but wonder if people even bother to read that ending. It was pretty explicit about him doing that to test Takako loyalties and no indication that he will plan on doing it again. Sure I don't approve, but its something way too overblown by the others.



> It was pretty explicit about him doing that to test Takako loyalties

Doesnt sounds like something someone that is "caring" would do. Reiji will look after him above all else so the moment things gets hard and he can get away with it by trowing Tsubaki under the bus he will do it.


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Asagi's appeal was in in her hips, breasts and face (and unique hair). Personality-wise she's pretty much Taki from Soul Calibur but with a bit of Bayonetta/Dante.

And yeah, Kagami has absolutely drawn better heroines - most of them being BISHOP girls imo

However, Tsubaki is more than just an Asagi clone. Her appeal is in her taciturn exterior hiding a very vulnerable and, unbeknownst to even herself, intensely slutty girl. Her "fear" of men, her renown skill with a bow, etc. She is pretty much what all anons expected a pre-demon young Asagi would be (long before the actual young Asagi).

Tsubaki is enjoyed for being Tsubaki, but there's also a possessive pleasure in having her appear and share some few traits with Asagi (and being so excellently voiced by Sayuri's VA if I recall), and it's that, despite the horrendous cuckoldry of Taimanin3, anons actually can in fact have their very own personal Asagi - replete with devoted sluttiness and perpetual impregnation.

It's like the anti-cuck. It's BISHOP.

As an anon said,

>It's for all those fans who want to finally exclusively have sex with Asagi and knock her up!

Considering also Asagi is the face of Lilith and Kagami's career it's like playing a JRPG and finding Saber or Mickey Mouse as a main party member. It's so bizarre and you can't believe it's legit, like some copyright demons are somehow blind to its existence. I don't know about that one, though, maybe it's just me.

Tsubaki's great in her own right, though. Don't let the fun "MY OWN ASAGI" bantz fool you.

And don't be such a dismissive fag, man.

>writers can't tell the difference between writing cuckporn and writing an actual dark story.

No, in Lilith's case they know the difference. It's just the company's been copped by a single director who has veered its lineage into hardcore violent cuckoldry with an evident malice towards readers or in the very least towards immersive reading.


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>Yeah the guy that gets one of his slaves get gangbanged sure its caring. The guy will whore Tsubaki out

What this faggotry again? Did you ever even play UK with all your complaining?

Not to mention >>172748 but you do realize he doesn't treat every girl with the same method, right? The difference between Tsubaki and Saori alone is massive.

You didn't like the gangbang? Neither did anyone else. Either ignore it like the hobo cum bukakke in SM or disregard the girl's route entirely. Or just don't play the game and choose a better one. You trying to transplant garbage onto the protagonist that doesn't exist even in that route, let alone any other route, is ridiculous.

Reiji's whole character motivation is finding the perfect slave to experience the ultimate pleasure. It's literally not remotely in his character to sell out or drop the "perfect" girl of his choice.

>but neither was the gangbang in character

And Ryou in SM didn't like younger girls and certainly didn't like letting his girl get smeared in a hobo's jizz, but each protagonist has some kind of one-off. That's all it is, a one-off.

Can we stop having this stupid cycle again? Every other thread it's "UK sucks and every girl in UK is gonna get gangfagged because Reiji did it that one time in that one route"

I don't even like UK half as much as MK3, 4 or SM and yet even I can't take it anymore


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So, going by >>171984 we've got


Tsurime, even her preview H CG is straight up


tsurime, although her H CG is quite softer


quintessential tareme in face and "Awawawa~" reaction

And then there's Ayana Kotomi and Risako who, despite being tareme and tsurime respectively are said to have different personalities, with the latter being much more naive/innocent to sex and the former being Ayane Ayane dude it's Ayane just look look at her I can't unsee it



Getting a girl bathed in cum its not the same as letting random dudes fills a girl every hole as they pump semen inside her (Not to mention at least the hobos scene is thematic sue to her fetish unlike with Makino which just had no basis for it).

Also there is the harem route where every tidbit learned from the routes are joined in them. So yeah if he has no problems letting Makino get fucked by a bunch of guys (Which would be one of the traits he seeks in an slave as well) then he has no problem letting other girls get fucked by guys. If he does it to see if they are loyal then its a no brainer he will do it to see if the girls are willing to get fucked for his sake.

So yeah, at least in Asagi she is subject to all that because she is forced which is non canon and its not arranged by the guy she loves. So Reiji is pimping her ass.



>Getting a girl bathed in cum its not the same

No it's plenty the same, the only difference is the gravity of it. Sure it's more severe to get your ass blown out by a Berserk demon horse but that doesn't make fishlips here forcing his tongue in your colon any less fruity.

What I'm saying is, gangbangs are terrible and NTR in any form is worst, but though "hobo cum bukakke" is the least of these that doesn't make it any more tolerable. It might be more revolting to see the girl you like eating a man's rod but it's still sickening to see your girl wallowing in another dude's jizz.

>inb4 but Marika was a cumslut and SM protag did that to get off on her getting off

Doesn't make it better. Pretty much the same reasoning behind the gangbang in UK anyway.

ALL of this is secondary to the fact that Reiji handles each girl differently, however. He'd never unleash his full sadism on Tsubaki or the gym one like he does with Saori, for example.

>If he does it to see if they are loyal then its a no brainer he will do it to see if the girls

Alright, so since there's literally no evidence of this whatsoever (we're not playing by implied evidence rules like in Ochiru Hitozuma where no matter your choices it's implied the faggot MC tricks out his girls to his homeboys) we're just gonna agree to disagree with your head canon and move on, ay?

>So yeah, at least in Asagi

Anon no, just…come on.



not to derail but since the mc of that game reminded me of the mc of KTJK i just wanted tos ay that he had superpowers similar (well way stronger and superior) to KTJK's mc and you know what?

he used his control over the body to instigate a forced lactation in her physiology. he literally made a non-preg into a cow tits by his super power over her body's physiology

maybe if KTJK's protag wasn't an idiot we coulda had something cool like that


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Oonari's male faces.



I wonder why Bishop doesn't give their protagonists eyes by now. They have the ability to go into settings and change the CGs so they don't display pubic hair, hot breath, and even ahegao, but they don't have an option to have the protagonist's eyes show with an on/off option. I know its for self insert reasons, but I honestly prefer it when a character in the story is their own character with their own reasoning and motivations.


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Oh wow, is this real? Oonari does amazing rough sketches and I gotta say these are pretty cool looking guys (though the left reminds me or Eren from AoT). I always prefer faceless protags for VNs but I wouldn't mind a one-off with a face like this.

Course that would mean having the other artists doing male faces and that's not a great idea since styles could change pretty hard.

Still really surprising. No-Face is best face, but if I had to see a face I'd prefer it to look like Oonari's faces.

Never knew the king of cute could make manly youths.


Their first school game has a guy with a face. After that they kept with No-Faces for the same reason that you can rename the character. Also it's just a funny trope I think.

>eyes show with an on/off option

It'd look terrible, mate, and I'll show you why - You see the webm here >>170976 ? Look at how stagnant the hot breath is despite all the movement of the bouncing CG. If they did that with eyes then the eyes would remain stiff while the head in the CG bounces about.

Most CG angles don't involved the MC's face since that would require a pulled-back shot instead of something more close and intimate. The times they do this is rare and fun, like with Reiji in UK grinning as he rails Saori in her dog suit in front of her father, but it's not very common.

Consider also that the masterful Akagi Rio, one of the few artists in BISHOP to ever show testicles, barely had even a grin on the protag's face. He literally had nothing but nose and a chin in most shots. This is the second problem: different artists.

If you had one artist, like Oonari, doing all the artwork then maybe it'd be alright but different artists would style different eyes. Sure it's the same type of eyes but it would always be in a different style, just like the difference between Kagami and Oonari's tsurime eyes. Same type, different style, and seeing the same face with a different style of eyes would be off-putting. They don't even do that with the girls (different artists, same girl).

And finally, even if they did that then there'd have to be an entire separate CG set without the eyes vs with the eyes, and unlike pubic hair the eyes would need more changes. Pubes, even fantastically drawn and detailed, are easy to add into/remove from existing CGs. Eyes? Eyes would require the MC's glasses to be lowered or his hair to be parted to show them, or else you get a pair of eyes constantly peeking through a veil of translucent hair, and that's just not done.

You can get one eye peeking through hair but the other side is often lifted or parted to reveal the other eye as well.

It'd be a pain the ass to make a whole other pair of CG sets with/without eyes on top of with/without pubes. That would be two sets per, which would be four whole CG sets per artist.

Now consider that Kagami apparently gets paid WAY too much for line art alone and imagine the cost of bringing him back for a game while asking for four whole CG sets per scene, and about 7-13 scenes per girl.

Honestly as much as I want Kagami back even just for one game I doubt he'll ever come back to his peak of SM again. You could feel it slip in MK4. Then he got sucked into the void of TABA and only recently might come up for air with TA:0 (which will no doubt be a cuck fest since it's got the same director as the worst of Lilith's stuff). But dude, can you imagine the absolute JUSTing BISHOP would get if they wanted him back for a project? Even just setting aside the eye thing, just with the variations we have now and everything. I think it's gonna be a long, long time before that ever happens.

>I honestly prefer it when a character in the story is their own character with their own reasoning and motivations.

Me, too, but you don't need eyes for that. These two protags



Yeah, the left one is Eren.

>Course that would mean having the other artists doing male faces and that's not a great idea since styles could change pretty hard.

I already hating Akagi MC face in KTJK. He had no mouth, make me hate him more.



Eventually someone clued him in that the guy needs to have a mouth since he put a decent one in later on - at the end, which makes me think he was told to put in a mouth partway through development, like everyone just assumed he knew what "don't give him a face" actually meant until someone saw his linework and realized, "Oh no, he took it too literal"

, though yeah if there's one thing more distracting than a protag with eyes it's a protag with literally no face at all. lol

Oonari was on-point with the protag's face (a bit wonky with the thick brows peaking through but that's also a thing that's been done before I guess, it just looks needlessly tacked on here) but that's to be expected.



>He had no mouth, make me hate him more.

haha got a giggle


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Oh hey, and check this out: the same VA who did Tomoe Grasshead in KTJK also did this one from >>171305

Man I'll never get over just how many of these vn seiyuu go between companies and games.



Because the protagonist's physical appearance is largely an aftertought. They often aren't even in the frame, at least not in a way that shows more than their hands and abs.

It's not just a matter of self-insertion but also of perspective and screen usage. The story is meant to be told from the protagonist's perspective. All non-sex scenes are first person from his perspective, he narrates everything, we get only his thought process. Even in sex scenes, where often the camera takes a third person perspective to show more interesting positions and show off the heroines more, the protagonist is still as out of the way as possible. And showing off the heroines is also why Bishop's, or most other hentai protagonists, don't have very clothing or hair, and don't have faces - they are not the focus of the scene, they aren't what the game is interested in exploring. From the visual standpoint, they are just there as a prop to enhance how hot the scene looks, which is why the places that get the most attention are the ones that will be involved in sexual activity. His character can be expressed plenty through text while the artist focuses solely on givin visual character to the girl.



>[…]most other hentai protagonists, don't have very clothing or hair,

don't have very elaborate or distinctive clothing or hair*



She is probably most well known from her role as Oboro from Lune's Evil Woman Executive.


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Any time I hear EWE I hear about Oboro, like she utterly stole the show in that game. I never played it myself but it does say something to her pedigree

On a similar note, Misonoo Mei did a role for Interheart glossy recently with another Lune artist (man this industry feels a bit incestuous lol) but I can't get that game working through VNR so I guess it's dead.

Guess that also means Hitozuma Saimin Counseling which was mentioned earlier is a bust-in-waiting.

Does anyone here play any game, let alone a BISHOP game, without reading the characters or story? It'd be like looking at CGs with some moaning audio and sfx. The context is important, right?

Glad bishop has not changed their engine and probably never will.



Probably because she DID steal the show. Check out this EWE popularity poll (click the yellow text, and keep in mind that this was before the Full Moon Knight expansion):


Oboro ranked first, with 591 votes.



I've had issues with Interheart titles in the past. Even currently with this one Interheart title I'm playing called 'Hara Katsu 2' I had text flooding until I had to use an old work around to avoid it.

If you're getting all text threads that just endless flood of text then you need to use AGTH with /x3. Then sift through the threads until you find one that is relatively usable.


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Oh, also as the other mentioned, Oboro pretty much did steal the show. She's a really great character and her voice actress fit the bunny girl motif of Oboro perfectly.



I always use basic VNR or ITH with translation aggregator.

Haven't checked on AGTH though, and the kind of text flooding I get with ITH is just like a broken system speeding through schizophrenia



Seems like the ultimate tsuncutie. Maybe I'll check it out sometime considering everyone keeps shouting the accolades of this waifu



Oh wait a minute I actually used this once

Probably have it somewhere around. I'll try it out





Works like a charm! I forgot how useful this thing was. Shame it can't do Waffle but whatever.

Don't know what you meant by /x3 though. Just needed the /ks and /kf to get it to stop repeating like a nutter in a straight jacket.



I can confirm the text flood does happen with the trial for Hitozuma Saimin Counseling.

I tried VNR, ITH and Chiitrans. I'll try AGTH when the actual game comes out, though I don't even remember how it works.

What do you mean by using AGTH "with /x3"?

Speaking of VNR, what's the current state of it? I know the original servers are dead but months ago I heard it got a new one somewhere. Does it have a working server? I use VNR only for text hooking and text to speech so not having a working server largely doesn't affect me. But it is getting increasingly more obnoxious to get all text threads of newer games working, so if VNR is still being updated somewhere it would probably be helpful.



For the latest Skyhouse one you just needed to add /ks and /kr if I recall. It's in the guide https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/6/#AGTH



I didn't consider /ks or /kf to fix the issue. I'll give them a shot with Hara Katsu 2 and see how things turn out.



Not that guy, but I never played UK because of it.

>but each protagonist has some kind of one-off. That's all it is, a one-off.

One-off? Do you really believe this shit?

From what I read on a different forum, another problem with UK is that the woman wanted it. She wanted the other men to fuck her, and her ending points out that she desires it again.

To me, the woman must make it clear that she doesn't want any other man. Otherwise, my dick goes limp and I lose interest.

>Either ignore it like the hobo cum bukakke in SM or disregard the girl's route entirely.

I never knew about the hobo part with Marika until the patch came out because I never played her route. I also hated when the protagonist threatens Hatsune: unless she obeys, he'll have other men fuck her. I know he's bullshitting to keep her under control, but it still gets on my nerves.

Since I discovered the hobo scene, I stopped playing SM entirely. Not sure if I'll ever play the visual novel again.

Is there any other BISHOP game where the protagonist threatens the women like with Hatsune? Does he do this in MK3 and MK4?

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>Does he do this in MK3 and MK4?

Yeah but in both times it's exactly the same, where it is very clear he's bluffing. MK3 was kinda funny since she does it right in the middle of class, implying he's got numerous students lying in wait who'll gangrape Yoshi if she doesn't listen to him and follow him out the room - and she just does it. Hentai Logic. Fun stuff.

Each route of a VN is essentially its own pocket dimension, made all the more clear by how each one ends self-contained and often are written by different writers anyway.

Marika is the least worst and I like her so much I overlook that part (it's easier to do since the MC never lets them put it in, but it's still cuck trash to let them paint her in their semen just to watch her get off on semen showers since she's a literal cum slut).

The only thing that bothers me is when anons try to drag that one scene and repaint the whole VN because of it. Clearly they never actually played a cuck VN before.

If you're put off by it then just don't do it. I'm not giving up Mifuyu because her daughter's solo route has one utterly reprehensibly trash scene. Still, if you want to then go ahead I guess.

MK3 doesn't have any bad scenes whatsoever and probably would be more up your alley.



Well in MK4 the very reason Maki complies with the MC is that he will rape Yuuri and that he has allies that will help him do so (Which is obviously false since its a secret plan of his to get free from his uncle, Miyu is his only accomplice).

And yeah thats why i dont play UK, at least in SM there is no penetration. Fuck the cuck protagonist of that game.

Luckily after MK 3 success BISHOP dropped the shitty cuck scenes forever so its all good.

btw im glad that Quof got backlash for Sansha Mendan Hobo scene which basically shifted his plan to translate Ura Cuckyoushi to now translate MK 3 if he ever decides to translate another BISHOP game.


Well, personally I don't really care for Makino at all because I played UK for the teacher on students pairing, not the adult pairing. Besides, you have to rape all the schoolgirls atleast once to get Makino to show up and by then you might as well be doing her route while you're aiming for the harem route. She's an afterthought as far as I'm concerned. In regards to that, the actual schoolgirls are all great. Letting one heroine suddenly ruin the entire experience of the rest of the girls is incredibly thin-skinned.



There are shitton of games around so I refuse to play a game where a dude see that piece of work that is Makino and think "you know what? She needs other men dicks inside her!". I only cared for her and notAsagi so the game became worthless after knowing about the cuckshit.

Glad that MK3 success showed BISHOP that there is more money in not pandering to cucks.



That's a shame. Personally I enjoy age gap play that works on the male being older while the woman is younger, so UK had that appeal going for it over the other titles, leaving Makino as the black sheep out of the cast. The other titles that have done older male x younger girl age gap in their recent titles don't do belly inflation like UK did either. Well, except for Hina from CnS, which was part of what made her route so fun.



I don't remember that happening in MK3. For real?

I don't remember the MC threatening any other girl like this. Been a long time since I played.


As for MK4, the protagonist doesn't do this. He threatens Maki that he will attack Yuuri himself, and he bluffs about having other accomplices like Miyu (not necessarily other men). And he also points out something about his uncle (because his uncle owns the school) and using his power to destroy her if she refuses. There's nothing about allowing other men to have her.

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>I'm not giving up Mifuyu

Shame, because I do. I don't like that Mifuyu is married. Too bad, because she's one of the hottest hentai girls ever.

Why couldn't they just write her story about her being a widow? Or perhaps Marika being a bastard child and having a deadbeat dad? Mifuyu would then be perfect for my tastes.

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>I don't like that Mifuyu is married.

I didn't either until I realized her marriage was already dead and her husband probably had a side-girl or even another marriage overseas (I posted https://archive.is/IDwiX#selection-38425.0-38435.0 ). She comes with that only good kind of Netori, where the protag isn't just stealing a girl from her husband but essentially rescuing her from misery - only SM's protag doesn't really consider this since he's just hungry for that womb. lol

It's also rather funny how Mifuyu's bottomless lust for sex and affection keep the protag from chasing after other women and eventually convinces him to remain true to her since keeping up with her is already a full time job (I really like that the guy acts like a man, too, and goes for work instead of just feeding off the Kamijou estate). Guess Mifuyu finally got what she always wanted.

>Why couldn't they just write her story about her being a widow?

Because the appeal of her is that she's been thoroughly neglected by her absentee husband probably since Marika's conception, leaving her utterly starved for affection, which turned into severe sexual desperation and thus intensely sensitive.

This is why breaking her felt the least like a "break" of any BISHOP title, since she was already thrilled from the get-go. It's also what makes her so surprisingly cute, especially with the whole focus on interpreting her Master's actions as "love".

Making Mifuyu a widow wouldn't have that same appeal since she'd be sex-starved from a dead husband, not a neglectful one.

Or as a virgin she also would not be unique, since we already have Aina and Yuuna as the high-sexed buxom Christmas Cakes in the cast.


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>I don't remember that happening in MK3. For real?

Yeah, because at one point Yoshi starts playing hard-to-get and actively teases the MC by talking to teachers, students, etc. in front of him to avoid having to listen to him (she also plays deaf when he's talking to her, pretending he's not even there, like some adorable overgrown kid). So he realizes that he needs to get her alone and convinces her that he's got goons in the class waiting for his signal (basically MK4's bluff with Maki and Yuuri) and once outside he jams it in her mouth.

Later on she does something like this again and he pretends to have a screaming pain, stomping his feet and holding his head as an act, and even the students suggest he's really ill, so Yoshi has to take him to the nurse's office.

Actually I forget if this happens before or after her playing hard-to-get. Either way yeah he does bluff her like that.

He's also the only MC to blurt out what amounts to a love confession, too, when they're about to see her secret informant about the incident and the MC forces her to bring him along because he's desperate over the possibility he won't be able to have sex with her anymore. Something like that, like "I want to do this because I don't want to give up taking you!" or something. Yoshi blushes and says she's happy to hear that. MC blushes, too.

Shino has something similar where the MC consoles her and tells her not to be afraid of her uncle, and she doesn't have to be afraid because she's his thing now, suggesting that she's safe so long as she belongs to him. She blushes, of course, and gets all hot.

If they do an immoral edition of MK3 it'd be great and Quof would easily have the best flawless reception with it because of moments like these - which exist because the MC isn't a typical BISHOP protag to begin with what with being the victim of a terrible crime where he's commanded to rape a girl at knife-point, losing his memory and thinking that's who he really is


What I can't get enough about Anju is her 100% cut virginity, utterly untouched in every regard. That scene with stealing her first kiss was straight Dio sexy. Shame KTJK sucks in so many regards, especially the protag. I hope one of the girls in the next game are as pure as Anju was, though considering that was a chief character trait they might not do that.

Mifuyu + Anju would = absolute primo best girl, so my hopes are on Miria being a totally virgin Mifuyu (no one can ever be Mifuyu again, like no one can ever be Aina or Marika, etc. but you know what I mean).


Well, given Aina and Yuuna seem like they're fresh out of teachers college, or atleast about a year, I would wager their ages to be 24~26. Here's the reasoning: They lack that mature air that Maki has from MK4, and Yuuri from that title is supposed to be about a year or two younger, she's very young, especially for a principal. Maki is confirmed 27. So I would wager the twins would be Yuuri's age range of around mid twenties rather than late twenties. I find it more hilarious to think that Yuuna probably graduated from TC, found a job at some school as an art teacher, and then pretty much got raped by one of the students all in the same year.


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>He's also the only MC to blurt out what amounts to a love confession, too.

MK4 protag has a psuedo-confession to Miyu. It comes after Miyu asks him why he keeps on having sex with her when she was never one of the girls he intended to be part of his master plan, to which he replies like so:

Which causes her to blush and get all dere on him.


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Apparently KTJK ranked third highest in Bug Bug (I guess BugBug is the Famitsu of hentai VNs?)

I don't know what the numbers underneath are for but third highest for the year is pretty big.

This…This won't have an adverse effect on the upcoming game, right?


I forgot about that. Man, Miyu's route was so cash. Probably the greatest short stack of any game this side of her sister


That's some choice autism in detail, anon. As a fellow detail autist, I highly approve



>using the shot of Mahiro getting choked out

Literally any other CG would have been better


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アオイトリ being 1st comes as no surprise, honestly. Purple Soft usually has really nice colouring work in their CG ontop of Koku's nice artstyle.


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Yeah their coloring is phenomenal and this artist is something else. I was never into the more moe style faces like he does and I didn't get into this game since I can't read Nip. I assumed it would be much more narrative and story heavy than a Lune or BISHOP game, something like Euphoria (but not gore) where the story actually matters, and VNR just isn't up to doing them justice.

Definitely earned the #1 spot, though it's great to see BISHOP got #3, firmly set in the top 5, the minute they went back to the proper coloring.

I think it bodes well for future releases like this. I doubt we'll be seeing a change in the coloring style for a long while yet.




wait what's that one for #2? looks like a taimanin knock-off



It's an Alicesoft title: https://vndb.org/v21142




And for reference, the Beats Blade series predates the Taimanin series by several years.




No, of course I know about the Beat series. It's a classic, for what it's worth. I didn't really know that's what it was. Didn't know about this one, either, and wouldn't expect the artwork to land it a #2. Maybe I should check it out. Was that Haruka one any good? MangaGamer has it up in English. Then again, I never really thought much of the series to begin with since it's not my style, though yeah I know it.

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