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be22c2  No.2969698

The JQ Edition - Jesus had much to say about the Pharisees, who’s oral teachings were eventually transcribed into the Talmud. The same Talmud that excuses pedophilia, murdering and cheating goyim, and also confesses to killing Christ.

How was Moses led out of Egypt away from the Pharaohs during the Exodus, just to later have his religion infiltrated and subverted by the very same people?

Why are we paying homage to the Egyptian pyramid and the eye of Ra on the back of our American currency?

These dots are not difficult to connect. That scares (((them))) very much so.

It’s been 6,000 years and finally, the end is nigh.

be22c2  No.2969741

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be22c2  No.2969810

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629ab0  No.2969981

The red calf being born signals the coming of the Jewish messiah, or mashiach. The Jewish mashiach is not Jesus.

The idea of mashiach (messiah) is an ancient one in Judaism

The Jewish idea of mashiach is a great human leader like King David, not a savior

There is much speculation about when the mashiach will come

The Bible identifies several tasks that the mashiach will accomplish

Jews do not believe in Jesus because he did not accomplish these tasks

It is written that:

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

And:

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)

Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable from the Jewish perspective), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do.

On the contrary, another Jew born about a century later came far closer to fulfilling the messianic ideal than Jesus did. His name was Shimeon ben Kosiba, known as Bar Kokhba (son of a star), and he was a charismatic, brilliant, but brutal warlord. Rabbi Akiba, one of the greatest scholars in Jewish history, believed that Bar Kokhba was the mashiach. Bar Kokhba fought a war against the Roman Empire, catching the Tenth Legion by surprise and retaking Jerusalem. He resumed sacrifices at the site of the Temple and made plans to rebuild the Temple. He established a provisional government and began to issue coins in its name. This is what the Jewish people were looking for in a mashiach; Jesus clearly does not fit into this mold. Ultimately, however, the Roman Empire crushed his revolt and killed Bar Kokhba. After his death, all acknowledged that he was not the mashiach.

Throughout Jewish history, there have been many people who have claimed to be the mashiach, or whose followers have claimed that they were the mashiach: Shimeon Bar Kokhba, Shabbatai Tzvi, Jesus, and many others too numerous to name. Leo Rosten reports some very entertaining accounts under the entry for meshiekh in The New Joys of Yiddish. But all of these people died without fulfilling the mission of the mashiach; therefore, none of them were the mashiach. The mashiach and the Olam Ha-Ba lie in the future, not in the past.

Source: http://www.jewfaq.org/m/mashiach.htm


629ab0  No.2969985

According to Rabbi Michael J. Cook, Professor of Intertestamental and Early Christian Literature at the Hebrew Union College, there are ten themes in the New Testament that are the greatest sources of anxiety for Jews:

1. The Jews are culpable for crucifying Jesus - as such they are guilty of deicide

2. The tribulations of the Jewish people throughout history constitute God's punishment of them for killing Jesus

3. Jesus originally came to preach only to the Jews, but when they rejected him, he abandoned them for gentiles instead

4. The Children of Israel were God's original chosen people by virtue of an ancient covenant, but by rejecting Jesus they forfeited their chosenness - and now, by virtue of a New Covenant (or "testament"), Christians have replaced the Jews as God's chosen people, the Church having become the "People of God."

5. The Jewish Bible (the so-called "Old Testament") repeatedly portrays the opaqueness and stubbornness of the Jewish people and their disloyalty to God.

6. The Jewish Bible contains many predictions of the coming of Jesus as the Messiah (or "Christ"), yet the Jews are blind to the meaning of their own Bible.

7. By the time of Jesus' ministry, Judaism had ceased to be a living faith.

8. Judaism's essence is a restrictive and burdensome legalism.

9. Christianity emphasizes excessive love, while Judaism maintains a balance of justice, God of wrath and love of peace.

10. Judaism's oppressiveness reflects the disposition of Jesus' opponents called "Pharisees" (predecessors of the "rabbis"), who in their teachings and behavior were hypocrites (see Woes of the Pharisees).

Rabbi Cook believes that both contemporary Jews and contemporary Christians need to reexamine the history of early Christianity, and the transformation of Christianity from a Jewish sect consisting of followers of a Jewish Jesus into a different religion.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_and_the_New_Testament


629ab0  No.2970000

What is striking about Judaism is that argument and the hearing of contrary views is of the essence of the religious life. Moses argues with God. That is one of the most striking things about him. He argues with Him on their first encounter at the burning bush. Four times he resists God’s call to lead the Israelites to freedom, until God finally gets angry with him (Ex. 3:1–4:7). More significantly, at the end of the parsha he says to God:

“Lord, why have you brought trouble on this people? Why did You send me? Since I came to Pharaoh to speak in Your name, he has brought trouble on this people, and You have not rescued Your people at all.” (Ex. 5:22-23).

This is extraordinary language for a human being to use to God. But Moses was not the first to do so. The first was Abraham, who said, on hearing of God’s plan to destroy the cities of the plain, “Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justice?” (Gen. 18:25).

Similarly, Jeremiah, posing the age-old question of why bad things happen to good people and good things to bad people, asked: “Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?” (Jer. 12:1). In the same vein, Habakkuk challenged God: “Why do You tolerate the treacherous? Why are You silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?” (Hab. 1:13). Job who challenges God’s justice is vindicated in the book that bears his name, while his friends who defended Divine justice are said not to have spoken correctly (Job 42:7-8). Heaven, in short, is not a safe space in the current meaning of the phrase. To the contrary: God loves those who argue with Him – so it seems from Tanakh.

Equally striking is the fact that the sages continued the tradition and gave it a name: argument for the sake of heaven,[7] defined as debate for the sake of truth as opposed to victory.[8] 

The result is that Judaism is, perhaps uniquely, a civilisation all of whose canonical texts are anthologies of arguments. Midrash operates on the principle that there are “seventy faces” to Torah and thus that every verse is open to multiple interpretations. The Mishnah is full of paragraphs of the form, “Rabbi X says this while Rabbi Y says that.” The Talmud says in the name of God himself, about the conflicting views of the schools of Hillel and Shammai, that “These and those are the words of the living God.”[9]


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416be6  No.2971142

>>2970977

>>2970977

>>2970977

KEK. gonna have to reverse search this.


416be6  No.2971209

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>>2971142

> It’s a Christmas legend, most common in Germany, Austria, and the Alps, about a monstrous creature who is a companion of St. Nicholas — where St. Nick brings presents to good children, the Krampus brings punishment to bad ones, usually, around December 5th of every year. He carries a bundle full of switches, and he’s sometimes depicted carrying bad children away.

kek, idk why this is so hilarious…


8eebc4  No.2973964

>>2969160

>>2966520 (moi)

It doesn't matter to me if you think God in Christ saving all people is a problem. [/quote]

[You) I really don't see it as a problem, it's actually a great relief to me. Thank you very much for doing that. The water is looking more clear to me now.[/quote]

When God Speaks in the scriptures, the speech is to TWO separate and distinct entities, the person and the captor in their mind, the resistor, the devil, the agent of spiritual sleep/slumber/darkness/sin/evil.

One, the person, God is for and in behalf of. The other Gods is against. What is said to the person does not apply to the devil(s) and even more, they are "forced" to resist in the person.

(You) I know there is something I am supposed to be doing, but I'm not sure quite what it is yet.[/quote]

Our burden is easy, our yoke, Light. We are to both love our neighbors as ourselves AND abide in sound and proper judgments, bearing our own vessel in honor, as much as is possible.

The world becomes a vastly more interesting place when we perceive and understand the challenges of the dark and invisible entity class. Once any believer perceives them, understand that they also perceive that we perceive them. The battle is ongoing, daily. It's quite fascinating and sometimes even frightening to behold, when "they" resist, openly, to your face. God will SHOW them by arousing them to resist. His Words arouse the darkness to resist. Mark 4:15, Romans 7, 1 Cor. 15:56

(You) What do you think of the gnostic/apocrypha texts? Secret book of John, gospel of Thomas, might as well ask about Enoch while I have you on the line.[/quote]

Any penman that handles the Cadence of God properly will be recognizable. Any who don't will also be recognizable. I read any penman with that in mind, if they are engaged in the subjects of God in Christ. I look for the "Mark" makers. That is the understanding of TWO vessels in the same lump, the person, and the resistor, the devil(s). This is the hallmark of Godly penmen.

(You) Also are you a proponent of the "some sections of the Bible have been altered" theory, or are you in the "straight KJV only baby" camp?[/quote]

I prefer the KJV because the cadence to the two party system has been more preserved. Other translations have gutted a lot of that distinction. Neverthless I use and quote from other translations if it suits the subject better. For example I like the NIV rendering of Romans 11:32 over the KJV because in that case, it's more succinct to our ears.

I was initially sparked to believe by reading the Living Bible. And was "saved" after reading the book of John in the ESV. John really hit me in the heart. Still does.

[quote] Also any tips on dealing with someone who inevitably say "Hey Leviticus says put fags to death! GTFO with your old fashioned religion blah blah blah"? [/quote]

The Law is a very deep subject. Again, understanding The Divine Cadence, it's much more fascinating. The Law, undoubtedly, is an ALLEGORY. Paul taught it that way. So did Jesus. In Gal. 4 the lives of Abraham, Sarah, Hagar and Ishmael were turned into ALLEGORY. An allegory of what? The TWO party system, applicable to ALL. If these sections regarding all the parties above are allegories, then the balance is, likewise. The allegories all REVOLVE around God speaking to the person and to devils in man. I could write volumes about these details. For example, Pharaoh(s) is/are actually allegories of the Great Dragon, Satan. Not that Pharaoh as whatever particular man was Satan, but that their words and actions are representative of their internal captor, Satan. Ezekiel 29:3 for reference.

Swine and shellfish laws have nothing to do with physical swine and shellfish. And stoning disobedient children at the gate have nothing to do with killing physical children with physical stones. We "stone" our "internal" enemies with the Word of God.

(You) I plan spreading the good news to people my age and I already know this will be the #1 issue…whether they are gay or not. I can deal with pretty much any other issue in the Bible except this.[/quote]

Every person on this planet has been internally bound with particular enemies (that are not them) that they really didn't have much choice about. The sins of gays or lesbians are no different than my own. They just happened to get a different chunk of internal dragon meat to digest than I did. God in Christ Loves every person, regardless, and SAVES THEM in the end. And their captors will face Divine Eternal Judgment in endless torment.

That being said, I will not celebrate the sins of any person, starting with my own. The slivers in their eye seem as specks in comparison to what I see in myself, if I am seeing correctly. If sin is of the devil, if Satan does enter the heart to steal, that does mean that every evil does exist within me. There is my LOG in EYE.

Get it?


befe24  No.2974044

>>2973964

But you also have every Good within you, too.

If I have to inside to get it, I'll reach in as deep as necessary.

<3


416be6  No.2978769

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>>2973964

Yes. Thank you again for the deep response. You've given me an interesting map to read and I very, very much appreciate it. I feel like I've talked to you before…there were some threads on here a while ago about a book called "The First Tablets of Moses". Maybe you just have a similar voice.

Anyway, thank you. Here is a nice gif.


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416be6  No.2978838

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>>2973964

oops, here is a better gif.


ad6750  No.2983308

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There’s something growing underneath My teeth.

Something rancid squirming underneath there.

I can feel it tickle the roots and it sends a tingle through my jaw and to my forehead. An electric buzz like a metal filer grinds back and forth against my temples. When I open my mouth, I only see eyes, but when I reach in against they shut themselves and turned themselves way. It doesn’t take long, doesn’t take much effort to find the sickness… but then it moves. It’s lost.

I need to shove My hand in deeper, but all of the eyes are screaming now. My fingers have been there too long. Like pure alcohol, My sweat scorches their conjunctiva, leaving festering boils in their wake. There was something growing underneath My teeth and it’s lost somewhere deep inside of My mouth, but I can’t touch anything.

My throat rumbles a near-silent plea, but there are ears living inside of My esophagus. Even with a gentle tremble, they writhe in pain. I can hear their ear drums popping should I speak anything more than a ghost of a whisper. I desire to ask them where My growing, festering, bubbling sickness is, but they cannot hear Me lest they go deaf.

There’s that grew from underneath My teeth. I cannot find it. Nobody can see it. Nobody can hear it. But it’s there.

I can feel it moving towards my heart.

I have an idea. I will find it Myself with My sight. I open my Eyes and look into the Mirror to find the abnormality swimming beneath My collarbone. Yet, as soon as My body notices that I am watching it, even catching it in My peripheral vision, it freeze in terror; unable to decide what it should do or if it do anything at all. Yet, I cannot find this sickness without its cooperation. There’s something growing inside of Me. I cannot find it. Nothing will—

Inside of my throat, I feel a single ear move. A tiny ear amongst infinitesimally small (but larger) ears. I flex My throat in the vague shape of words but do not dare utter a sound. That single ear doesn’t retreat back into the masses, but moves closer to the tired crack of My vocal chords. I allow an utterance of sound and I feel the ear blossom with blood inside of My throat.

Somewhere inside of My mouth, a quiet shudder rolls through the sea of eyes as a single one opens and squirms to the surface. It stays open, even when My fingertips glide over its irises. It waters. It reddens.

But, it does not look away.

I look back into the Mirror to see the eye looking back at me. Blinking every so often, but moving. This is the Tiny Eye that belongs to the Tiny Ear, I come to understand. It is beaten. It is reddened. The ear bruised and bleeding. It suffers where the sickness has taken most root.

I barely move My throat again and tell the nearly crushed Tiny Ear what has happened and asks if It will help. Immediately, the Tiny Eye dives back into My body.

Where I feel the Despair, I speak and the Tiny Eye goes without question. Where I see Myself dying, I speak and the Tiny Eye goes without insult. Where I believe Myself weak, I speak and the Tiny Eye obeys absolutely. It always searches. It always finds.

Alas, the Tiny Eye can only see and Its Ear can only hear. Whenever it finds what I am searching for, it must use Others’ mouths and they are woefully inadequate. Their Eyes never opened. Their Ears never ventured close enough. What the Tiny Eye sees and what the other Tiny Ears hear is too alien for one another.

Too True.

When it speaks with the Others’ mouths, there is only confusion at best…


416be6  No.2985158


4320b4  No.2985699

I shared this in another thread, but I since found this one and think it's more appropriate here.

Since being led to Q in July, I've been day the rabbit hole every day and found much confirmation of things I'd put together myself over the years. One that I've surprised to not hear is the connection between MK Ultra dissociative identities, sociopathy, and demonic possession. Having had much personal experience of both the sociopathic and the demonic, I have learned to see them as one and the same. Q posted a list of terms that included "projection" and either sociopathy or narcissism (they're so similar in their destructiveness that they can at times be used interchangeably). That seemed to me the perfect opening for what I'll share… I just wasn't confident until now about actually *sharing* it.

Watch the two videos I refer to here. In one, exorcist Malachi Martin discusses something called "perfect possession", which I personally correlate with sociopathy (and possibly some narcissism). *Note Fr. Martin's "no comment" on Bill Clinton.* You can listen to HOURS of interviews with Fr. Martin by Art Bell on YouTube (regardless of what you think of Mr. Bell, the interviews are amazing).

Then listen to the interview with Ron Patton on Lift the Veil (I know, I know… the young man who hosts doesn't accept Q but hey, he covers a lot of important topics). On there, Mr. Patton discusses MK Ultra mind control and, between minutes 50 and 55, he refers to the recovery rate of Christian survivors who are treated through deliverance ministries as opposed to non-Christian survivors who are treated therapeutically, recognizing that Christians have a much better recovery rate. The connection between MK Ultra and demonic possession and sociopathy is there, guys.

If there is a league of satanists raping and slaughtering children, do you think there just *might* be a *slight* element of demonic possession involved?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7_1Yw4eFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmX3oiuxgiU


3ffb4d  No.2994414

I’m new posting, versus reading/researching privately, so apologies if this is not the appropriate thread to post this in.

I’ve been trying to elaborate on the following dots:

In 1 John 5, a disabled man is found near the Pool of Bethesda by Jesus. 1 John 5:5 notes the man was 38 years old, the same age JFK Jr (“John-John”) was when he purportedly died - this was pointed out by another researcher. The figure “5:5” is ambiguously (as far as I’m aware) used by Q.

President JFK’s body was brought to a Bethesda hospital after he died, where it is said that doctors found his brain had been removed.

Trump and Melanie married at Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal Church (also near Trump’s Mar a Lago club, where an Epstein victim elleges she was nabbed from and put into sex slavery).

Lastly, Skyrim notified me of the existence of Bethesda games, where Trump’s younger brother once served on the board of.

Is there significance here? Is Bethesda simply a notable name, and so oft used, or is there more? Does John 5 hint at something more hidden?


416be6  No.2996475

>>2994414

>>2994414

WOW. I'm already a huge believer in the R / JFK Jr stuff, but to have more confirmations is just amazing. That's fantastic work anon.

I always loved the Bethesda games (Morrowind, Oblivion, etc.) and it makes me smile knowing it has some connection to Q. This world just keeps getting more beautiful by the day…

I would say there's absolutely significance. You have the 5:5, the church, and Trump's brother on the board of the company. We would have to say…no coincidences.

Not sure how Q feels about digging too deep into that at the present moment though,…maybe save until after midterms? (Maybe they don't care…I just literally am not sure).


e1e83b  No.2997364

Dunno if right thread

Some folk claim Darby was funded by Jewish families in England. Dude founded rapture theology in 1830s. I think he was funded to splinter murica christianity.

http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm


a9e5b4  No.3006526

>>2970000

This might become unpopular but it is my belief that the Old Testament was a bunch of ferral Jews being used by the CHITAULI or CHITAURI (Aliens known as the Annunaki race that controlled earth for thousands of years) and they are the root of the bloodlines and Illuminati culture (Reptilian blood ritual, Elongated Rhesus Minus skulls, Death Cult, Third Eye of Chitauri, how they genetically enslaved us and removed our thelepathic abilities, Rape and Sex cult comes from them according to Shamans around the world, Pornography is also based on the worship of these Reptile false gods or Archons)

That is why the Abraham, Moses constantly defy their "Gods" and they argue like shitfaces. The only reason would be that he and a "false God that does not want to be seen" are into a complot and not a godly endeavour. Any of you ever think of this?

If the "real source" of it all was guiding you…. Silence and warmth will submerge you in a deep state of calmness and I believe a tremendous feeling of certainty and peace will put us in trance.

I also believe the barbaric and retarded things of the OT are proof that this theory of mine is not far fetched. The voice speaks out of the dark. God telling Moses and others that they "did not saw its form", to "not make any female or male representation of him/her God" (Deutoromy).

This to me is absolutely shocking and what ancient mysteries reveal may confirm again that these Gods or God is simply a "race of reptiles" who influenced earth for thousands of years.

I know it sounds nuts but the "source of creation" our True God, was definitelly NOT the God that guided the Jews out of Egypt.

That voice, that voice was an early example of MK Ultra possibly made by a Prince or Commander of the CHITAURI who took possession of the Jews and guided his tribe of 12 out of Egypt.

Why would God encourage the destruction among its creation. Makes no sense and absolutely DOES NOT follow Natural Law. Natural Law is the Law of the Universe and the only Law of God to my understanding.

I believe we may in the years to come find out more and more details into what the Jews, Christ, Chitauri, etc are. True religion is coming back but its form is impossible to explain to those that have not felt it within. Christ is "always" ascending…

Regardless, I have faith in the supreme Lord. Natural Law corrects everything. We might be heading into that correction.

Many say we are entering the "Era of Aquarius" where Prosperity comes. Vedics are saying that the Era of Sex under Scorpio is over and that we are now entering The Era of Truth under the influence of Saggitarius.

We will see. I am very happy that many of you mentionned these details above as it confirms that a few are paying attention.

I am also happy many of you said it is a bunch of lies alltogether. At least everybody gets to post. Unlike the true Nazis of Reddit!

Q said if you knew the whole truth, then most on Earth could not handle it. What if you are the SUB slave of a crossbread of reptilian alien mixed with modified human race female (Post Adamic era where men was divided and neutralized genetically into men and woman)? What if their temple in Jerusalem is simply a "sacrifice temple" or "altar" for their Reptilian ancesters to come back and take possession of their Earth?

What if Q could confirm that Rhesus Minus (negatif) is not from earth and is an abnomaly among Earth blood types.

What if Q could confirm all of this? Would you believe it? What if the Ark of The Covenant was simply an Alien communication device the entire time and this is why the Thule Society directed by the "Bloodlines" was simple attempting to recover their device to contact their Gods.

Good day kids.

Ps : Credo Mutwa (SA), Alhalaram Beqqi (Egypt), Santaya (Peru), Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (India), LesEretikes (France), and Jesus Christ.


a9e5b4  No.3006716

>>2985699

Read my reply above. Mk Ultra comes from them. It comes from the German operatives and ultimately from the work and research guided by the bloodlines.

It is not demonic. It is worse. It is of Alien nature as Moses Auditive Hallucinations were in fact the first form of Mind Control possibly made by the CHITAURI (aka the Gods).

Go back to my reply above. Some of you might connect it all instantly and you might indeed shit your pants when you do.

Best of luck.


a9e5b4  No.3006781

>>2969741

Funny how every Goldstein I know is an absolute demonic scumbag jew. One of them ran a scam in Florida, another was killed in Israel and his brother fucks whores all day now with the reparation money… everytime you see a Goldstein start running. Almost 100% guarantee they are Evil!


7970c1  No.3034358

All fags live forever. First crumb.

Hebrews 9:27

ESV: And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Original Greek: καὶ καθ’ ὅσον ἀπόκειται τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἅπαξ ἀποθανεῖν, μετὰ δὲ τοῦτο κρίσις,

Transliterated Greek: kai kath' hoson apokeitai tois anthrōpois hapax apothanien, meta de touto krisis

English word for word: and in however-many apportionments these to-men once to-die, after now this crisis/discernment

English for idiotfags: and in however-many apportionments these men once dying, after now this crisis

Hebrews 9:28

English for idiotfags: so too this [crisis] Christ once giving-himself him for everyone carrying the-sins apart-from-himself, a-second-time [making this clear for you idiots] apart-from the-sins, see-him all him waiting for-his savior.

Hebrews 9:27-28 is clearly saying you die many times and everytime you face crisis. So look to Christ so that he may:

John 6:40

ESV: For this is the will of my father that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.

on THE last day?

Greek: en tē eschatē hēmera

English: on HIS furthest day

Look for Christ to be reincarnated immediately fags. Don't forget.


3ffb4d  No.3035747

I can see how that translation could be interpreted as saying that people might die more than once. But, it does not clearly say that all people die many times. It says however many. Implying the possibility of more than once. But not necessarily more than once, and not that every individual dies more than once. Interesting, though.


11b1bb  No.3038913

>>3034358

This is deeper research. The rest of you biblefags need to do moar like this fag.

1. Where was Abram born?

2. What name does the number 666 decrypt to?

3. During which festival did Jesus die?

4. What is the real name of Jesus?

Provide facts. Use your bible, use your concordance, use your language dictionary.


3ffb4d  No.3039440

Well, I am of the numeric mind, in that I think numerology and such will tell more than different translations of the Bible. I think God’s message transcends language and translation, along with human intervention (or attempts at). However, anon that pointed out a translation here should not be disregarded either… how would one use different translations and harmonize them with the different numerical values they’d elicit?

It just might be the way to do things, but we are talking about a 2,000 some page book here.


3ffb4d  No.3039557

33 is a favorite among “them.” Jesus = 33 at death.

Biblestudy.org has some goods info on numbers in the Bible.

33 supposed to represent promises. 33rd time Noah’s name is mentioned is when God makes the promise after the flood.

Rainbow is supposed to represent this, and could be an inverse of that promise when the occult uses the rainbow.

Used to represent relationships that don’t really result in the production of offspring. Depopulation agenda, whereas God saved a male and female of all species to continue population.

“Somewhere over the rainbow” - like somewhere “beyond” God’s promise?

“Elohim” mentioned 33 times in Genesis (originally, I guess). Others.


d72a41  No.3040466

>>3038913

>>3038913

What is the real name of Jesus?

And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name _, for He will save His people from their sins.

The name is related to the word save.

Matthew was originally written in Hebrew therefore the name must be a Hebrew word related to saving.

Going here: morfix.co.il/en

יֶשַׁע

salvation, help, rescue

http://www.morfix.co.il/en/%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A2

If his name is Yesha or EEsha then how did it become Jesus?

There are two ways to convert from language a into language b.

One way is to translate. You find a word in your target language that has the same or similar definition and use that word in place of the origin word.

The second way is to transliterate.

You use the phonetic pronunciation of your origin language and find phonetic similies in your target language.

The name Jesus is a transliteration of the Hebrew ישע.

The J in Jesus is pronounced as a Y. It is not an English J but carries the German heritage of this bible name, and therefore is pronounced Yesus. The S on the end is an addition from somewhere between the Greek and German bibles. Probably from the idea that the Roman naming system has names which end in S, therefore an S added to conform to the supposed Roman standard.

Subtracting the S we have:

Yesu (Yeh-sah)

Identical in phonetic pronunciation of the Hebrew:

Yesha (Yeh-shah or Yeh-sah)

Hebrew shin has two pronunciations, SH and S.

Conclusion:

The name of our salvation is YESHA.


300734  No.3040524

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>3040466

I asked her if she knew me three times.

She said "no".

It was really shocking since Jesus is a pretty common Hispanic name.

Also, Yesus made me chuckle.

I'll be my one-man party, tyvm!


be22c2  No.3044690

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Happy Sunday fags. Since Q dropped CalTec related shit a week or so ago, I’ll make my Sunday post include CalTec. They have uncovered things they weren’t supposed to.

Remember, the mysteries of the universe can be understood through the parables. In the case of this post, apply the Prodigal Son. For the prodigal sun returns.

Think largest infrared satellite in world LUCIFER owned by Vatican.

Think binary stars (which every star system in our universe has)

Think tilt in the earth too (why does article only claim sun’s tilt is caused by this?).

Think polar geo magnetics.

Connect the fucking dots. It’s not that complicated.


7970c1  No.3044918

>>3035747

hoson and tois are definitely plural. This implies, plurality. However many of these [deaths] you get in everlasting life.

Most of the evangelion, i.e. the good news, is about these three topics: resurrection of Jesus and how this proves the resurrection of the dead, i.e. reincarnation, and finally the "return" of Christ when he leads all the souls of mankind, once perfected in flesh as in the manner of Melchizedek, into one of the many rooms of the Father he has gone to prepare for us.

Three distinct topics confounded when the Vetus Italica texts were promulgated by Constantine in the institution of the bureaucratic Church designed to enslave and hide the true message of Christ from us. To ensure the slavery and control matrix of the empire was maintained.

Also, don't forget:

Matthew 5:29-30

And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you. For it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should be cast into Gehenna.

And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and cast it from you, for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should depart into Gehenna.

Gehenna was a child sacrificing cult outside of Jerusalem. There is no "hell." You don't want to miss the mark (sin) on the epignosis of reality and end up reincarnating into the child sacrificing cults.


7970c1  No.3044955

In, Hebrews 5 it clearly states that Jesus is the reincarnation of Melchizedek. Read it.

Psalm 110:4

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent: 'You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.'


7970c1  No.3045047

>>3044918

Mathew 19:30

But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.

Reincarnation works of a FILO and LIFO queue system.

Those who believe in the savior have priority.

You die, you are good, you get first dibs to come back. You die, you are missing the mark on many things, you wait until a body is open to come back. The more our population grows the more brethren who have fallen asleep in the shadow of death get to come back.

If the occultfags depopulate the world, we will inherit it. It's a no win situation for evil.

How you break the wheel of karma in your life:

Luke 11:4

And forgive us our debts,

For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.

Forgive every transgression committed against you. You will break the wheel of karma in this way. Ponder this, very carefully.


e1e215  No.3045134

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>3044955

Come on, you know you can't roam without Caesar.

>things get less troublesome when you just stop worrying about identities.


7970c1  No.3045172

>>3045047

Corrections to previous crumb.

of = off

I said this wrong: "you wait until a body is open to come back," it should be: "you wait until an opening is available for you to come back."

We reincarnate body, soul (mind and emotions), and spirit. A codification of the Holy Trinity in ourselves.

Your soul reconfigures the host DNA upon entry to form your body. There is an affinity to reincarnate into your same bloodlines, you have familiarity with those around you to help accomplish your mission of perfecting yourself in body, soul and spirit; and your soul has affinity to the DNA present at the moment of conception and later through methylation of the DNA (read: epigenetics) in order to "bootload" your body so that your mind and emotions can express themselves in full. The spirit is divine and eternal, our gift from and connection to the one true God, in perfect sacred trinity with the Son and Holy Spirit.

So fags, do you understand why the elite and royalty of our times have guarded their bloodlines so carefully and are obsessed with maintaining their purity and bifurcation from the rest of mankind?

Have a good Son-day fags, may the blessing of the Lord be upon you always.


d3a044  No.3046173

What other explanation is there for angels in the Bible other than them being human extraterrestrials as reported left and right by various contactees today?


9d5a5d  No.3046476

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Lern


7970c1  No.3047926

>>3046476

Is bloodshed and death missing the mark in every circumstance, if there is no death?

I don't know. I think it depends.

Mighty powerful that 400 conquistadors could utterly destroy an entire civilization dedicated to the streamlined industrial sacrifice of humans.

"Did a crucification of me pardonned (sic) your sins?"

Symbolically yes, to make the savage Hebrews, and thus the Children of God present and to come, understand that blood sacrifices and offerings was entirely missing the mark. Truthfully, there has never been "sin."


971c15  No.3048237

>>3006526

I too follow this philosophy. My question to you would be: do you believe in magic (according to natural law)?

I think THIS - the magic - is going to be revealed and will be the big one to blow the majority's mind.


c8fda0  No.3048334

>>3047926

I like to think of it as character alignment. With each action/decision that we take/make, we align ourselves towards or against God's intent.

If we are working with God, (or the Infinite Divine, if that's what you like calling it [as I do]), then God is probably going to want to keep you around for as long as possible, because you're reliable and faithful.

If you don't align yourself with God, then you become an issue and,eventually, God has to remove you from the chess game, so that Its pieces can move more freely.

Ultimately, every action has a time, a place, and a purpose; and the only way to know for sure where those align is to ask God. Otherwise, it's a 'gamble'.


c8fda0  No.3048399

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>>3006526

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

God is willing to talk; it is even willing to be berated and argued with. I have done it and so have others. God doesn't have an ego, so it allows its Children to talk to it however they please as long as it's beneficial to its cause.

God doesn't want slaves and God wants to be considered an equal, though God will accept whatever crown that you decide to give it; no matter if it's made out of tin or gold.

>>3048237

Magic isn't real.

LET ME REPEAT THIS.

MAGIC ISN'T REAL.

All "magic" currently is just suggestion to those that do not have a firm understanding that an objective reality exists.

Magic only works on people who are legit crazy enough to believe that magic exists. All it is, is suggestion and influence; someone defining how you should view reality.

Magic.

Does.

Not.

Exist.

I am not saying this only for your benefit, Anon. I feel like I have to remind my family of this frequently, because people will try to tell them that they can perform magic and it will be the gateway to their insanity.


7970c1  No.3048871

>>3048399

"All it is, is suggestion and influence; someone defining how you should view reality."

"suggestion and influence"

The preferred method of the apostatic fallen to turn you away from the true source of power, the One Creator. To cut yourself off from the One and believe in your own supremacy over reality.

This not only leads to madness, it opens the gateway to much suffering that will be harvested from you by the apostatic and perverse ones.


7970c1  No.3048942

>>3048334

It is impossible not to recognize Truth when it is spoken to you.

May the One bless the fruit of your work brother.


be22c2  No.3050059

>>3044955

“In the manner of” means “reincarnation of”

No. Not at all.


be22c2  No.3050068

>>3044955

And checkout the Nag Hammadi to read about Melchezidik


e33dca  No.3050249

>>3045047

Thing is, forgiveness achieves cheating the wronged party out of their rightly deserved justice and recompense.

If you insist that “their” transgressions against humanity should be forgiven, all that does is created a whole planet full of angry and resentful people.

Why? Because by prioritizing forgiveness and mercy for “them”, you’re choosing to sacrifice humanity getting that which has been stolen from them. More forgiveness “they” receive, the less justice WE receive (forgiveness and justice are at opposite sides pulling at each other for priority).

Therefore the correct choice is maximum justice for the people. Restoration of stolen prosperity by confiscating ALL assets “they” ever obtained (even honest earned assests as further punishment).

This of course includes punishing “their” blood line too for after all, “Original Sin” when deconstructed is “Sins of The Father” taken to its logical conclusion. If religious doctrine is distorted, logically, punishment according to “their” lies would be perfectly karmic in terms of poetic justice, thus “Sins of the Father” is a valid way to punish “them”.


f04374  No.3050773

>>3048942

>>3050249

Force them to stand by their beliefs.

If they believe Family is Blood, then they can suffer the sins of their Bloodline.

>>3048871

>>3048942

"You will receive a Dream tonight for recognizing the Truth. Do with it as you will."

- God


7970c1  No.3057156

>>3050059

Is Psalm 110, Hebrews Chapter 5?


7970c1  No.3057185

>>3050249

Forgiveness does not imply forgoing justice.

In fact, the only way you can aptly apply justice is sans emotion and thus through forgiveness. Otherwise it is revenge.

My interpretation of course.


8d959d  No.3057271

>>3057185

>Forgiveness does not imply forgoing justice.

100% correct.

>In fact, the only way you can aptly apply justice is sans emotion

110% correct

>and thus through forgiveness.

Not sure if I agree on this, but I'll discuss it with God later.

"She is not right about that, but that is fine for now." - God

I agree about the revenge part. I'm not one for revenge. Revenge is petty and personal. Justice is impartial and is supposed to benefit the whole in some way.


7970c1  No.3058522

>>3057271

>"She is not right about that, but that is fine for now." - God

I very much have a penis.


3b0677  No.3058606

>>3058522

>implying your soul is in the right body.

The toppest of Keks.


6bb598  No.3058849

>>3045047

There is no reincarnation, and it is contrary to the scriptures: It is appointed once for a man to die, and then the judgment.


7970c1  No.3058863

>>3058606

Only the apostatic have keks at the expense of others. You have the answer to your source from your own words.


6bb598  No.3058890

>>3057185

I think you missed the point of the woman dragged naked before Jesus caught in the act of adultery.

None of the accusers had clean hands; how can true justice be applied by people with dirty hands? We have a concept in our law called Unclean Hands; the courts do not serve justice on the word of people with unclean hands.

And then Jesus, the Judge of the Universe, did not condemn her, but forgave her, and told her to cut it out.

Forgiveness to a Christian comes from knowing what an ocean of forgiveness we received, and thus being able to trickle out forgiveness to those who have wronged us. Not others, us. And God gave the sword to the government for a reason.

Any enemy of mine, if they had perfect knowledge, would far prefer I take revenge upon them than leave it up to Jesus, who baptizes all either in spirit, or in fire.


6bb598  No.3058935

>>3044955

No, it says that the Order of High Priest that Jesus is can be compared to the Order of High Priest that Melchizadek held.

We know nothing of Melchizadek's parentage, origins, lineage, or death. What we do know is that he was the King of Salem (later Jerusalem) whom Abraham gave a tithe to (paid homage to).

Jesus' origins is from everlasting to everlasting; he was not born into his priesthood, and it will never end. He himself is the basis upon which he is the High Priest; he merits it, and none other.

Jesus is greater than Melchizadek/Shem, and Melchizadek/Shem was greater than Abraham. After all, before any Levite was even born, Abraham bowed to Melchizadek, and then to the preincarnate Christ Jesus on his way to obliterate the plains of Shinar.


6bb598  No.3058964

>>3044690

It's far simpler than this. The magnetic field of the earth is dying. The poles are not reversing; the field is dying. The sun is going out; its transformation of energy from there to here is ending.

Both of these are ELE events and would cause WW panic.


6bb598  No.3058984

>>3040466

Yehoshua, in Hebrew

Yeshua, in Aramaic

Iesous, in Greek

Jesus, in latin

Savior, in any language


7970c1  No.3059004

>>3058849

>>3044918

You can't throw out and ignore the words hoson and tois when you translate the passage. That's ~17% of the passage and meaning.

Your translation holds even less of the original meaning than even modern, albeit orthodox, standard translations from the original Greek.

But everyone is allowed to believe in what one wishes.


267786  No.3059093

>>3058984

Like so many throughout history, Constantine hated the god of the Jews,so he encouraged the Council of Nicea to alter things.

The most egregious thing that did was to call the gospels "the new Covenant".

They had to pick a unique name and.. I do not remember the lineage, but in the end, this "Jesus Christ" was a conglomerate of this Iesous and Christos.

I am not a scholar, but I have studied this deeply for my own personal edification.

Some time later the printing press was invented. Constantine commissioned this dude named Marcion to flood the market with Paul's writings.

That's when Constatine's "Paulinity" was born.


6bb598  No.3059101

>>3059004

Similarly, you cannot cite random words in Greek and claim that the bible supports reincarnation, when it clearly does not.


6bb598  No.3059162

>>3059093

That you think Constantine had something to do with Christianity is odd.

That you think Paul was not teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ makes me wonder why you're on a board for biblefags.


267786  No.3059164

>>2970000

>God loves those who argue with Him – so it seems from Tanakh.

This was extremely important for me to read. Thank you for writing it out. Most of the time I am angry at Him. Unlike most, I do not consider it an abomination, but was doubtful.


6bb598  No.3059183

>>3059004

Inasmuch as eph'hoson lit., "upon how much"

"tois" not found.


6bb598  No.3059193

>>2970000

Maybe God just loves people with brass balls who deal with him on a personal basis.


6bb598  No.3059198

>>3059164

Most of the time when we are angry at someone, it is for something we find at fault within ourselves, projected outwards.


7970c1  No.3059214

>>3058890

> than leave it up to Jesus, who baptizes all either in spirit, or in fire.

Savage Hebraic interpretations of the Word of God. There is no "baptism by fire" or "devouring of the adversaries" or "consumption of those opposed" or "conflagrations" or "death by fire."

That's the age old trick of perverse ones to make you turn away from God. Make you believe that his creation is so imperfect that he will destroy and consume it and those he loves.

Insanity.

I will show you.

Hebrews 10:26-27

ESV [hebrewfag tainted]: For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

Greek: Ἑκουσίως γὰρ ἁμαρτανόντων ἡμῶν μετὰ τὸ λαβεῖν τὴν ἐπίγνωσιν τῆς ἀληθείας, οὐκέτι περὶ ἁμαρτιῶν ἀπολείπεται θυσία, φοβερὰ δέ τις ἐκδοχὴ κρίσεως καὶ πυρὸς ζῆλος ἐσθίειν μέλλοντος τοὺς ὑπεναντίους.

Transliteration: Hekousiōs gar hamartanontōn hēmōn meta to labein tēn epignōsin tēs alētheias, ouketi peri hamartiōn apoleipetai thysia, phobera de tis ekdochē kriseōs kai pyros zēlos esthiein mellontos tous hypenantious.

Direct English: Of-one's-own-accord for missing-the-mark I after that I-receive the central-knowledge-gained-through-first-hand-relationship the truth/reality, no-longer about missing-the-marks away-from/I-leave sacrifice/offerings, inspiring-fear then anyone waiting-for decision/judgement and trial/fire zealous eating I-am-about-to these very-opposites.

Simpler English: If I of my own accord am for missing the mark after I have recevied the central knowledge (gained through first hand relationship) [i.e. what I am telling you] of reality, [I am] no longer about missing the mark I leave [behind] sacrifices/offerings, you should feel fear then, anyone waiting for judgement and fire because you will (are about to) fervently swallow these very opposite things [to reality].


6bb598  No.3059230

>>3059214

When people are immersed in the Lake of Fire, forever and ever, they are baptized in fire.


6bb598  No.3059241

>>3059214

It's a shame you have no understanding of the Word of God.

Paul writing to the Hebrews, who had become Christians but were also weak, and Hellenized, told them that they had no way back to the Old Covenant.

That the sacrifice of animals is over. That the New Covenant has been enacted, and the Old was disappearing.

If you think any born again Christian can live the rest of his life without sinning, a) you are not a born again Christian, and b) you have no close friends who are born again Christians who will confide in you.


7970c1  No.3059248

>>3059162

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica


6bb598  No.3059269

>>3059214

2 Peter 3

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I had hoped for a thread of Christians discussing Christian things, not a board where pagans and occultists could sow confusion, doubt, and the gospel according to Bart Ehrman.


267786  No.3059270

>>3059162

Why are you shaming me?

The information on Constantine is open source and can be dug.

The matter with Paul was not an easy one for me, but the very reaction I get from any alleged "Christian" is what prompted me to reject Paul. His discrepancies are clear if you look, but even so it was hard to let go.

Most Christians are not Christians at all, but Paulinians.

You do realize that Paul isn't necessary for salvation, right?

Right?


6bb598  No.3059272

>>3059248

Bible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wiki


7970c1  No.3059273

>>3059230

Lake of Fire?

You mean, Gehenna? The child sacrificing cult outside of Jerusalem?

>>3044918

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna


6bb598  No.3059281

>>3059270

I hope that you do feel shame. You should. You are sowing deceit and lies in a thread clearly marked out for discussion amongst Christians, of which you are not a member.

Constantine was a pagan worshiper of Apollo, and a patron of the Temple of Apollo, and remained one his entire life. He was never a Christian, and had nothing to do with Christianity.

If you reject Paul, who taught what Jesus revealed to him directly, you reject Jesus. Which merely confirms my judgment of you, above.


6bb598  No.3059287

>>3059273

No, not the temple to Molech in the Valley of Hinnom.

The actual Lake of Fire Jesus created to confine the devil and his followers, including all of his human followers.


7970c1  No.3059295

>>3059281

That's a different tripcode buddy. He's trolling you.


267786  No.3059297

>>3059281

>not a member

Not a member under what grounds?


6bb598  No.3059300

>>3059295

I mind being trolled about Jesus about as much as a butcher minds being trolled about USDA Prime steak.


6bb598  No.3059305

>>3059297

Under the only grounds that there are. Being filled with the Holy Spirit of God.


267786  No.3059307

>>3059281

Quote me the scriptures where it states that all who reject Paul are not Christians.

I'll wait.


267786  No.3059315

>>3059305

So, do you mean the Holy Spirit comes from Paul?


6bb598  No.3059322

>>3059307

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


6bb598  No.3059326

>>3059315

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


267786  No.3059349

>>3059322

i haven't rejected the Messiah, our beloved Savior.

Paul is not my savior. Clearly, Paul is your savior?

It is you who preaches a false doctrine. That is why I reject Paul.


7970c1  No.3059358

>>3059269

There is no doubt that the Earth will someday be consumed by the Sun when it expands to a Red Giant. This is very much known and calculated.

That is very different from a conflagration or a raining down of fire.


6bb598  No.3059360

>>3059349

If you reject Paul, you reject Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.


6bb598  No.3059366

>>3059358

The entire universe is going to be destroyed in an instant, and instantly replaced with a new heaven and a new earth.

Per the bible.

Not per your pagan earth studies.


7970c1  No.3059385

>>3059366

Of course, also known. And the second coming comes when all souls are perfected and we are ready to go into one of the many mansions of the Father. Unless you somehow doubt the power of the almighty to make everyone bend to his will.


267786  No.3059387

>>3059326

Tell me where in the Bible (outside of Paul's writings) that backs your claim.

You should be CAREFUL who you condemn, you arrogant one, because you could BLASPHEME THE RUACH in your foolishness.

Show me the verses that claim salvation is through Paul, but you can't use PAUL.

There is a god and it is the god of Abraham and I believe in the redemption through Yahushah, the one whom they call "Jesus".

TELL ME WHERE GOD SAID I NEED PAUL FOR SALVATION.


6bb598  No.3059393

>>3059385

Some will bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord before they die, and go to heaven.

The rest will bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord on their way to being cast into the Lake of Fire forever and ever.


6bb598  No.3059422

>>3059387

You move more goalposts than an NFL crew on an October Sunday.

I told you where what you said did not exist, exists.

Can you do no research on your own?

The Holy Spirit is a person of the trinity; you quite clearly not only do not know that, but don't understand it either. You think some argument western pagans and eastern pagans have has something to do with the Holy Spirit of God, and it does not. Just squabbling amongst pagans.

John 20

Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

The Ruach Elohim, the Breath of God, the Holy Spirit, is a person.


6bb598  No.3059431

>>3059387

Who are you to judge another man's servant?


267786  No.3059437

>>3059422

What's the difference between John and Paul?

It's HUGE.

What's the difference?


7970c1  No.3059440

>>3059393

How does that reconcile with Jesus dying for all sins and forgiveness? So everyone has to forgive, but the Father doesn't? Ever?

Insanity.

2 Peter 3:15

And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.


6bb598  No.3059445

>>3059387

The devil has caused you to have the apostle appointed to teach you the New Covenant.

Maybe it's time you asked yourself why you're listening to the devil.


267786  No.3059452

>>3059431

LOL

Look up. I'm being judged.

I'm defending the judgment.

Hypocrite much?


6bb598  No.3059458

>>3059437

Yes, Paul is the greater apostle, died and saw heaven more times than John, and was called to all the gentiles. John, one of the so-called "pillars of faith" was judaizing people in the Temple.

Maybe it's time you started asking yourself some tough question.

Likd, you know you're damned and going to hell, but why are you okay with it?


6bb598  No.3059463

>>3059440

It has to do with Belief, as Unbelief is the only sin remaining unforgiven in this life and the next.


6bb598  No.3059471

>>3059452

You're being outed as a liar and child of satan, not judged.

Jesus does the judging.

You don't want to remain unrepentant until that day comes for you.


7970c1  No.3059480

You are both insane.


7970c1  No.3059487

Insane with hatred and bickering.


267786  No.3059494

>>3059445

My gawd you're dense.

Paul never walked with Jesus. He had a vision.

John was a disciple and was close to Jesus.

You're an idiot and shouldn't be teaching ANYONE anything about the Bible.

You don't even KNOW it much less understand it.

Me: My savior is Jesus, not Paul.

You: You're of the devil and going to hell!

Stupid idiot.

Good riddance.


6bb598  No.3059551

>>3059494

Paul spent years with Jesus in Arabia, being taught directly by Jesus.

If I reveal to you that my stapler is silver and black, is it a dream you had?


6bb598  No.3059577

>>3059494

One of the myriad illogical points of your argument can be easily refuted.

How did Paul know more about Jesus than all the other apostles combined?

How did Paul know more about the New Covenant in Christ Jesus than all the other apostles combined?

How did Paul manifest more miracles than all of the other apostles combined?

No, it is a satanic attack on Paul to deny that Jesus did not personally choose Paul on the Road to Damascus, converting Saul to Paul, and tasking Paul with the role of leading 99% of the world, the non-Jewish world, to Christ Jesus.

Why you believe the Father of Lies, and not the Word of God, is ponderous, but so be it.


6bb598  No.3059603

>>3059494

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

John gave Paul the right hand of fellowship.

2 Peter 3

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter calls everything Paul wrote "scripture".

Your anti-Pauline/antichrist rant should be over by now.


7970c1  No.3059670

>>3059463

>as Unbelief is the only sin remaining unforgiven in this life and the next.

Your claims are dangerous. You're claiming there is one specific "sin" that is never forgiven?

That goes against the entirety of the New Testament and the teachings of Christ.

Unless you claim to know the mind of the Father? Which leads you into even more dangerous territory.


6bb598  No.3059694

>>3059670

Yes.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, aka Unbelief.

Mark 3

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


6bb598  No.3059704

>>3059670

So now I have shown you the scriptures concerning all that I have told you.

Are you any different now?


6bb598  No.3059711

>>3059670

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Not dangerous.

Expected.


7970c1  No.3059781

>>3059694

>danger of eternal damnation

ESV: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Very different. It's sad you reject the original Greek, the true evangelion. Many of your mistaken beliefs stem from years of mistranslations.

But yes, I enjoyed your ability to quote scripture. Helped point me to all the places where dangerous inconsistencies with the Word of God exist.


7970c1  No.3059831

>>3059704

>>3059781

I'll dive into the Greek of these. See what else can be grokked from them.

Happy Monday biblefag!


6bb598  No.3059943

>>3059781

It's exactly what I said. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.

It's sad that you think men brighter than you as the sun is brighter than a sunflower cannot translate Greek into English faithfully.


6bb598  No.3059956

>>3059781

>Helped point me to all the places where dangerous inconsistencies with the Word of God exist.

No man can be pointed to the Abyss. He must choose to go there, as you choose to go there.


3ffb4d  No.3060054

It’s incredibly dangerous for anyone to go around condemning/damning/cursing someone else because their belief differs from your own. Humility is an extremely important virtue, taught by Jesus, that you seem to be missing when you claim that you know the right translation/interpretation concerning Christian theology, and that others are wrong, and so not Christian. Or are going to hell, etc.

Don’t be prideful! Don’t be arrogant!

I struggle with this myself.

We need to learn from each other, and the more people belittle others, the less information we are receiveing.

And don’t mess up this thread for lurkers with immature bullying/fighting. It just makes Christians look bad.


6bb598  No.3060182

>>3060054

If fighting evil, lies, and the children of satan is bad, perhaps reconsider what side of this war you're on.

If you're looking for an "inoffensive gospel message", Jesus isn't for you.


3ffb4d  No.3060375

Jesus is definitely for me. I am His.

Never said fighting lies and evil is bad. Of course it’s not. It’s fantastic.

I just, personally, don’t think you’re method of fighting is a productive one. I don’t think you’re way of communicating is going to be effective in helping others understand and fight for Jesus.


6bb598  No.3060403

>>3060375

Exposing a wolf in sheep's clothing casting doubt on the validity of the bible and of Paul's teachings is an endeavor worth taking.

Pick a side.


3ffb4d  No.3060561

God is more more powerful than any. His ways are not our ways, his thoughts not our thoughts. We must be humble toward each other, but especially humble toward him.

He has ensured the preservation and continuation of His word.

No institution or entity can disrupt that, as I believe it’s God’s will that the Bible remain whole for all people.

The Bible is not wrong. Each book is true.


7970c1  No.3060953

>>3059943

The fact that you believe that

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

is equivalent to

but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Marks your arrogance and delusions.

The Word of God is perfect and consistent. There are errors in the translations, is why I said there are inconsistencies WITH the Word of God.

And I will dive into the Greek of these passages. It takes me around 48 hours of off and on work to translate from the original Greek.

>It's sad that you think men brighter than you as the sun is brighter than a sunflower cannot translate Greek into English faithfully.

Yes, I know they cannot because they are marked by the same delusions that you are. And the ones who tried in the past were burned as heretics. So yes, your "bright men" sure shined brightly, you can detect their stupidity centuries later through the fog of time.

Even now, my translations are sorely lacking and are only approximations to the greatness the Holy Spirit attempted to communicate to us savage animals.


7970c1  No.3060967

>>3060953

> It takes me around 48 hours of off and on work to translate from the original Greek.

For each Greek sentence.


be22c2  No.3061141

>>3059494

Agreed. Paulinian cucks turned Jesus’ teachings into a pussified version.

These other anons would be much wise to stick with the Gospels. That’s where all the good stuff is.


2f737b  No.3061310

>>3060953

Look…there is NO SIN called "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit (and it is NOT a Ghost either by the way. It is a "Spirit" and became "Ghost" when King James decided to dilute its meaning even more).

How do you even do this sin? Say things like "I hate you Holy Spirit". Is that how you blaspheme the HS? Cuss it out? How does one blaspheme the HS?

As we read in the bible, even in the NT not OT…

1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 

If there was no Law in effect no one alive would be a sinner and thus Jesus died for nothing! So we are under some parts of the Law except the parts concerning the Levite Priests. Since Jesus became our priest those Laws are moot (Hebrews 4-10.

Jesus spoke in metaphors. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit means to go against your own inner intuition. Go against your gut feel. Not listening to your heart in exchange for mental reasoning.

I can go on, but that is good for now.

- 1PS


6bb598  No.3061372

>>3060953

It's the same exact thing.

There are no inconsistencies with the Word of God. None. Your knowledge of Greek impresses absolutely nobody.

They translated the Greek into English, much as the Hebrews translated Hebrew into Greek for the Septiugent.

Easily.


6bb598  No.3061381

>>3061141

Paul wrote several gospels. Maybe read them too.


6bb598  No.3061407

>>3061310

I told you exactly how. Unbelief.

To understand that would have as a requirement to understand basic English, and to really understand it would require the teaching of the Holy Spirit himself.

I cited the verses where blasphemy of the Holy Spirit occurred. And then told you what they meant. There is no corresponding blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in the Old Covenant; the Old Covenant did not deal with gaining a relationship with the living God.

The New Covenant does.


6bb598  No.3061415

>>3061310

>To blaspheme the Holy Spirit means to go against your own inner intuition.

That would make YOU the Holy Spirit.


2f737b  No.3061417

>>3061141

Paul taught EXACTLY what Jesus taught. Neither Paul nor Jesus taught "Christianity" (which was not invented until 300 years after both of them died).

What Paul taught was the written Law and he quit the oral law (Phariseeism). As Paul himself said…

Act 24:14  But this I confess unto thee… believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 

Notice he says "Written in the Law".

The problem people have with Paul is that they do not understand he is talking about 2 DIFFERENT sets of law. But you see the word Law and think it is Torah law. It is not.

How can these verses not be in contradiction?…

Rom 2:13  For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

and this…

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 

Are you justified by the law or not? Galatians is talking about Jewish oral law not called the Talmud. Romans is Torah law.

All you Paul bashers out there do not "get Paul". He and Yashua taught the same thing - the written law of Torah. Not the rituals of Judaism.

When you see Jesus talking about love in Matthew 5-7, explaining adultery, explaining murder, etc. THAT IS TORAH Law he is teaching not Christianity.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3061471

>>3061407

Whether I believe in God or the HS has nothing to do with my works and my salvation. Quit playing mental masturbation games. You and people like you are happy with that train of thought that seems to make you "Special" and condemns anyone not like you! You will be judged by actions and works and words not by what you imagine.

- 1PS


6bb598  No.3061492

>>3061417

Another fool is heard from. Where is the Law in what Paul taught here?

1 Corinthians 1

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.


6bb598  No.3061508

>>3061471

If you have not confessed with your mouth that Jesus is LORD, and do not believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you are lost.

The devil knows there's only one God. If that's the extent of your knowledge, good luck not living forever with the devil.


2f737b  No.3061535

>>3061415

The Holy Spirit is exactly what he says he is A HOLY SPIRIT. In Hebrew that is called the Ruach Ha-Kodesh. He is not called Elohim, Yahweh, or any reference to God by the way. He is a spirit.

And he is not me. I also have a spirit that makes me me. I am not nor anyone inhabited by the HS. He is one entity. He grieves, he teaches, etc.

As we read…

Psa 104:4  Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: 

The Holy Spirit is God's angel. And in the OT we see this mentioned as "THE angel of God not "an" angel of God.

The HS communicates to us through our gut. When we do not listen we usually sin. That is what Jesus meant in a nutshell.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3061592

>>3061508

I hate to see how you Christians, following your religion of Pagan lawlessness, enjoy condemning people like you try to do here. You are living a mental delusion and do not know the bible.

You are experts at Christian DOGMA.

I am out for now so as not to waste anymore of the BO's space with you folks. As Jesus said…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

Now you read this and pay it no mind still thinking that the one who imagines Jesus the hardest wins the prize. While you do not keep the sabbath, eat unclean meats, etc etc.


be22c2  No.3061601

>>3061381

The Gospels refer to Matthew Mark Luke and John. You’re obviously no theologian.


6bb598  No.3061630

>>3061535

The Holy Spirit

The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him - the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD - and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears (Isaiah 11)

The Holy Spirit is a part of God, not just some force that God uses.

John 14:16-17 - The Holy Spirit is a Helper, or a person who helps.

John 14:26 - Again, the Holy Spirit is a Helper; Also shows Jesus' divinity by showing He can send the Holy Spirit

John 15:26 - The Holy Spirit can bear witness

John 16:7-8 The Holy Spirit is referred to as a 'He', again shows that Jesus can send Him

You don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, as you do not know how to cause that to be.

And you clearly have zero understanding of the triune nature of God.


7970c1  No.3061632

>>3061372

1) but is in danger of eternal damnation.

is the same as

2) but is guilty of an eternal sin.

So sin in your mind is the same as damnation? And guilt is the same as danger?

You have no regard for objective reality.

>>3061407

> I told you exactly how. Unbelief.

I don't think you understand you are talking to multiple anons here. Or do you? Am I missing something?


6bb598  No.3061644

>>3061592

Showing people they are condemned is not condemning them.

It's showing them they're condemned.

Romans 10

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

And that's how the condemned become saved children of God.


6bb598  No.3061653

>>3061601

The Gospel of Paul to the Hebrews

The Gospel of Paul to the Romans

Your Bart Erhman eduction is showing.


6bb598  No.3061668

>>3061601

If you knew what a theologian was, you would note that those are the synoptic gospels, which infers that there are other gospels as well.


6bb598  No.3061676

>>3061632

Yes. Eternal Sin ==>Eternal Damnation


6bb598  No.3061703

>>3061632

You're missing many things. Many, many, many things. But the most crucial is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit of God, which is required to understand the scriptures.

If you think Sin and God live together, you don't know God.

Why do you think Jesus came to earth to be tortured and crucified?


6bb598  No.3061718

>>3061676

Eternal Death ==>Eternal Separation from God, Who is Life


6bb598  No.3061785

>>3061592

Your "works" are as filthy rags to a holy God, on the one hand, and hell deserving wickedness on the other. Good luck with that.


7970c1  No.3061881

>>3061718

If God is "Life", then are all those living part of God? Or only those you don't condemn?

Also, can you point to me any point in scripture where this concept of "eternal death" you are claiming is written?


6bb598  No.3061999

>>3061881

No. Most people are physically alive, and spiritually dead.

To be spiritually alive is to have the Holy Spirit of God enter into you and resurrect you to eternal life.

Adam and Eve were created spiritually alive. They died the day they sinned; the Holy Spirit left them.

Being born again in the Spirit is the regaining of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit of God.

Otherwise, a man is born spiritually dead, remains spiritually dead, and is sorted out as spiritually dead to the only place where the spiritually dead can go. Lake of Fire. Eternal separation from God.


6bb598  No.3062019

>>3061881

It's written there whether I claim it or not.

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


6bb598  No.3062045

>>3061881

Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


6bb598  No.3062092

>>3061881

Revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Those two humans, the Antichrist and False Prophet, are still in the Lake of Fire 1000 years after they are cast into the Lake of Fire.

There is no annihilation. There are eternal flames, outer darkness, weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth for all unrepentant sinners.


7970c1  No.3062123

>>3062019

punishment?

κόλασιν

kólasin

kólasis, “chastisement, correction”

Interesting word choice.

Chastisement and correction imply redemption?


6bb598  No.3062242

>>3062123

Does "everlasting" sound redemptive to you?


6bb598  No.3062277

Also, the word translated into "hell".

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

punishment, torment.

From kolazo; penal infliction – punishment, torment.


7970c1  No.3062278

>>3062045

πρόκεινται

prokeintai are set forth as

δεῖγμα

deigma an example

πυρὸς

pyros of trial/fire

αἰωνίου

aiōniou aeons/perpetual/eternal

δίκην

dikēn custom, manner, fashion

ὑπέχουσαι.

hypechousai undergoing underholding undercontaining


7970c1  No.3062323

>>3062242

Yes. It means perpetual correction until you get it right. Glad you are getting it.


6bb598  No.3062359

>>3062323

So, "after" "everlasting" punishment, you'll get it right.

"After" that.

You idiot.


7970c1  No.3062377

>>3062277

Etymology

Inherited from Ancient Greek κόλασις (kólasis, “chastisement, correction”).

2000 years later and you are using the modern version of the meaning of words to prove your point. Circular logic much?

I am rate limited. Have a nice day pondering your "bright men" and their translations.

I am happy you are getting it though.


6bb598  No.3062413

>>3062377

>Also, the word translated into "hell".

>Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

>punishment, torment.

>From kolazo; penal infliction – punishment, torment.


7970c1  No.3062450

>>3062413

kolazo != kólasin

kólasin == kólasis

You have been lied to by those you trust the most.

Reconcile.


b9612d  No.3062455

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>>3061644

This. If you don't tell people they're fucked up, they're going to continue being fucked up because 99% of them don't know any better. They'll continue down the path that they chose.

Sometimes, God has to reach down through the fucking clouds and put its fist to your head while yelling:

"IF YOU DO THIS, I WILL FUCKING MURDER YOU."

To get a fucking point across.

Also, I felt you slip there for a second.

I'm not going to one of your galleries and flashing my dick for you, though.


b9612d  No.3062521

>>3061999

The Event Horizon of existence:

Where only the ghost of a whisper of you remains; an image. Imaginary. A screencap of the moment right before your demise, even though you actually already collapsed into nothingness.

But people can't wrap their heads around event horizons, apparently. So, they think being there means you're always there.

No, nigger, just the 'idea' of you is there.

Also, I—

Okay, you know.


3f0380  No.3062529

Okay Coats, Sessions and Wray…WE ARE WAITING!!!


cf1642  No.3067754

>>3006716

Kek ← This one's for you

Kek

Kek


3751ab  No.3068369

>>3062019

You simply read it the way you think you want to read it.

Everlasting punishment > you are deleted forever > the results of your punishment are everlasting, unreversable, no second trial > you are gone forever

where and why you have decided to interpret this verse as meaning "cast into a realm where you will be endlessly violently tortured by horned mutants in a inquisition like torture chamber filled with fire and utter horror for ever and ever and ever endlessly afraid and suffering" is absolutely beyond me. But it is rampant among youtube christians and people in general who do not read the bible for themselves and make any effort to look up the meanings of the words in their original language.

It's sick, really. You project something awful onto God, and you do it with no proof, no evidence. It's a horrible idea that someone would live an extremely brief life here, born into a world of deception and trickery, only to pass away and be endlessly tortured by their own creator for eternity.

Madness yes, psychotic yes. based on even the worst most edited and corrupt version of scripture? not even remotely. it simply is not in there.

Even in the fraudulent, genocidal book of revelation you don't find anything that sais this. It just continues to be repeated over and over again by people who don't know any better.


3751ab  No.3068438

>>3062092

Typical 2018 youtube christian who only reads revelations


3751ab  No.3068486

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>>3061592

And you take your children to rabbis who mutilate their genitals and then place the kids penis into their mouth and suck on it.

You want to talk to me about unclean meats???


3751ab  No.3068824

The Doctrine of Biblical Inerrancy

look it up folks. it's false and has wreaked havoccccc on modern christians. Yes even those of you armed with a strongs concordance are likely not getting anything close to the full picture intended by scriptures.

You can play back and forth all day, arguing over the meaning of scriptures in the english language. Accusing each other of being wrong and hell bound. Hebrew scholars for the jewish masoretic text have to stop every other line and add a footnote that "original meaning of hebrew not known" "original meaning of phrase unknown" etc…

One does not simply interpret ancient hebrew. Even the experts are fucking flummoxed on the majority of it. This is a highly complex issue and some of the arguments being thrown around in this thread are ridiculous. You guys go around thinking everyone who disagrees with you is going to be tortured in a literal eternal SAW movie. Great. How healthy.

Sheol is translated in the king james as Grave sometimes, and as Hell at other times. I forget the exact number, google it. Then look up all the other translations. Pull out your ESV if you have one, and notice the massive number of missing verses.

You think you have it all figured out??? seriously???? enough to get on here and make God out to be a eternal inquisitor ready to torture his children FOREVER for eating the wrong kinds of meat??

GENIUSES. All of you. Pure genius. next your going to tell me John of Patmos is the same John who walked with Jesus. Apparently anyone hallucinating on an island can, with the approval of a vatican council, be considered a prophetic apostle worthy of being in the canon.

Youtube christians.

I'll stick with the 4 main books of the Gospel when it comes to advice on life and what the true nature of God is. You'll find the rest is extremely interesting but spurious and buried in the sands of time. Ofcourse you would have to be intellectually honest to admit that.


3751ab  No.3069232

I'm sure most of you are all aware of the NAME GAME played nowadays regarding Jesus, right?? it's all the rage on youtube now. Obviously, JESUS was not his real name and did not exist in those days. I've heard all the arguments. Some call him Yeshua, Yahushua yayaya this and that there are a number of pronunciations and spellings argued over.

At some point, a rational person has to draw the fuckng line and say "LOOK, we are born into a world of deception, lies and trickery. When I say the word Jesus, I know who I am referring to, and even though my enemy may have tried to get me to say the name of some jesuit general in place of the real name of this person, I am not going to play that game."

what are you, an occultist? are you chanting some kind of magical word of power that has to be said the right way, underneath a certain moon while standing in a circle?

Do you worship a word??? Do you not think that God knows when you are reaching out to him and is maybe understanding that given your situation you might, you know, not have any idea which historian is telling you the fucking truth??

its the same issue with the Doctrine of Biblical Inerrency. do you worship God or some kind of magical book that prevents itself from being tampered with even though there are a zillion versions that all differ from one another??

Many of you are trying to worship a magical book and a magical word of power, and (((they))) are the ones who have poisoned you with this.

Use your God given discernment. If a jewish manuscript sais that God ordered Jephthah in Judges 11:30–31 to climb up a hill and sacrifice his daughter, do you think that maybe you moral compass would alert you that this is not something God would do?? Are you allowed to question whether or not this is trickery from the adversary, given what you know about the history of the bible?? or, again, do you worship the idea of some magical infallible book, despite the fact that there is a zillion different versions available with no two experts being able to agree on it which is the correct one???

Y'all bout to drive a nigga crazy with this shit. Use your damn brains. I believe in the Gospel and Jesus and have no issue questioning all of this other stuff in fact I think it is exactly what God wants me to do. God gave me discernment and made me in his image, and I would never ever ever consider torturing a child for doing the wrong thing, so why the hell would I, being made in his image, think he would do so?? You ever seen a human being in extreme pain??? I have and I was overwhelmed with sympathy and it took me months to get over it. I fucking hate seeing living beings suffer i am revolted by it and will go out of my way to stop it or anyone responsible for it. Hence the fucking Q movement. We are here to save children, to prevent subversiveness, to stop evil. Not sit around and make excuses for it.


73b81a  No.3069591

>>3058984

You provide theories but no facts.

Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew word for Jackass?

Sous = horse

ee-aw-sous = the sound of a jackass

Aramaic was never spoken as a common language in Israel during the time of Yesha or earlier? The bulk of all letters, contracts and general correspondence shows only Hebrew was used to communicate.


2c0f2e  No.3069686

Dear friends

Read Rev 14

" And I saw another angel in flight between heaven and earth, having eternal good news (gospel) to give to those who are on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and language and people"

Here is the bread of heaven, from "the lamb" :

https://www.thebookoflife.eu/table-of-contents.php

welcome to paradise.


7970c1  No.3072975


7970c1  No.3073026

>>3069232

>Use your God given discernment. If a jewish manuscript sais that God ordered Jephthah in Judges 11:30–31 to climb up a hill and sacrifice his daughter, do you think that maybe you moral compass would alert you that this is not something God would do?? Are you allowed to question whether or not this is trickery from the adversary, given what you know about the history of the bible?? or, again, do you worship the idea of some magical infallible book, despite the fact that there is a zillion different versions available with no two experts being able to agree on it which is the correct one???

>

>Y'all bout to drive a nigga crazy with this shit. Use your damn brains. I believe in the Gospel and Jesus and have no issue questioning all of this other stuff in fact I think it is exactly what God wants me to do. God gave me discernment and made me in his image, and I would never ever ever consider torturing a child for doing the wrong thing, so why the hell would I, being made in his image, think he would do so??

Amen!


7970c1  No.3073147

>>3068369

>It's a horrible idea that someone would live an extremely brief life here, born into a world of deception and trickery, only to pass away and be endlessly tortured by their own creator for eternity.

If God calls on you to be perfect, if Jesus calls on you to be perfect and imitate his ways, that God wants you to be and reach holiness. How can you reconcile that with a brief life of 50-80 years, in a plane of existence rife with "trickery" and "deception?"

How can you reconcile torment and hell and no second chances with a God of LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. How can you reconcile any of these insane beliefs with the message of Jesus Christ?

It is not reconcilable.

You have all of eternity to learn. All of it. You have all of eternity to amend your ways. You have eternal life AND eternal correction.

Your respawns are infinite and you WILL perfect yourself. Whether you want to or not. We are all going back to the Father, together as one.

All of us.

Even the most vile and horrific among us. That is the message of forgiveness and compassion that Jesus Christ teaches.

WWG1WGA.


7970c1  No.3073254

How do you reconcile LOVE and PERFECT LOVE, with leaving behind your loved ones?

Leaving them behind here in a reality rife with suffering?

Leaving them behind in an imaginary world of torment and endless suffering?

It is not reconcilable.

I will never leave behind those I love. Ever. And my love is FAR from perfect.

The permanence of reality is the prime indicator that God, the Creator, LOVES us. His love is PERFECT and it is not reserved for any one group of people, who do this or that. It is for ALL of his children. Everything in this reality.

The same way we love our children and our creations. The same way we want to see them grow and become successful. For our creations to have impact and meaning in the world.

And we are far from perfect.

Contemplate what PERFECT LOVE would want and require.

WWG1WGA.


6bb598  No.3073720

>>3062455

Not who you think I am. I have no gallery.

>>3068369

I read it as it is, and love the truth. You are terrified at some level of being on fire forever, and think you'll get a second chance. You won't. This is it. This is your life, your one time to choose Jesus, and become eternally living. Blow it, and there's nothing but fire, forever and ever.

>>3068438

People asked for bible verses supporting the Lake of Fire, and they were given. Typical Anon who doesn't want to read anything contrary to his bias.

>>3068824

Sheol is Hades. Neither is Gehenna/Hell/Lake of fire. Your biblical knowledge is zero.

>>3069232

Jesus, God, knows who's talking to him, and who isn't, and by what name. He reads the hearts of men; he is not dependent upon your vocal utterances to know what you are.

>>3069591

No, for Yehoahus/Yeshua. Facts are stubborn things.

>>3073147

Easily. We all deserve to go to hell forever.


6bb598  No.3073732

>>3073254

In your ignorance you have overlooked God's hatred of sin.


d88561  No.3073756

>>3073720

No peanut gallery?

That's a pretty good sign, actually!

If there's not thee sound of a peanut gallery, that means the ego has been pushed back far enough that the Voice of the Infinite Divine (God) can come through clearly.

Props to you! Super proud!


69df53  No.3074139

IF FAGGOTZ KEEP SLIDING THIS BOARD W/ ARBITRARY ARGUMENTING SO IT FILLS UP BCUS THEY DONT LIKE THE JQ EDITION, IM JUST GONNA MAKE #4 WITH THE SAME TOPIC

FUCK U JIDF MOSSAD HOMOS.


dd9c5f  No.3074170

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MOAB


dd9c5f  No.3074186

>>3073732

God doesn’t see sin.

Read Romans 9 and have a Kindergartner with you to interpret for you.


dd9c5f  No.3074272

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>>3073254

This Post is BIG MOAB

The understanding of Where “We Go One We Go All” has not been realized by the minds infected by religious thinking.

Wait until 1 Corinthians 13:5 MOAB hits its target.

“LOVE DOESNT KEEP A RECORD OF WRONGS OTHERS DO.”

The concept of justice escapes the self righteous.

Raw vid HRC 5:5?

Where We Show One We Show All.

Got anything you don’t want shown?

I SURLEY DO.

The concept of BOOM has not yet sunk in.

Whoever posted this comment understands 5:5 is a ratio the = ALL


dd9c5f  No.3074397

File: e198b17319e3162⋯.png (668.29 KB, 1242x2208, 9:16, EA6F6D1D-F8F6-4816-890D-7F….png)

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The field is the world & the L is silent. The field is the WORD & there are two in that field. The one shall be turned around and the other shall remain.

When you go into a field to find gold do you only see piles of gold? No, the gold must be searched for, dug up. You will smash your toes on rocks, encounter snakes and scorpions and get bit. You’ll dig through animal shit until you find the long sought after prize.

“As The World Turns.” - Q

The field is the world and the L is no longer silent. As the WORD turns so turns the WORLD.

WW = World Wide


7970c1  No.3074885

>>3074397

I love Corinthians 15.

12-19

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no ==resurrection of the dead==?

13 But if there is no ==resurrection of the dead==, then not even Christ has been raised.

14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.

15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.

17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

19 If in Christ we have hope ==in this life only==, we are of all people most to be pitied.


59045b  No.3074919

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>>3074885

Define ALL

BOOM!


6bb598  No.3074923

>>3074186

God does not see the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unpardonable sin, in this life, and in the next?

God does not see what is not like Him?

You bet your eternal soul on that proposition?


7970c1  No.3074975

>>3074885

I think the ESV people do a pretty good job here. There is obviously more to gleam from the Greek, but the translation is adequate.

How can you say there is no resurrection of the dead, i.e. reincarnation, if Christ has been resurrected?

If the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.

One life only?


6bb598  No.3074988

>>3074975

Nobody's impressed with your one semester of Greek at a liberal seminary dude.


7970c1  No.3075064

>>3074988

Do not let your heart grow stubborn in the wilderness.


6bb598  No.3075173

>>3075064

I will stubbornly resist the children of the devil so long as I draw breath on earth.


7970c1  No.3075180

>>3074919

ALL?

Everyone lives forever. You know that. I know that.

Everyone deep down in their hearts knows that.

We are fast approaching the age where it will be undeniable. Where through, digital information and social media (yes, even those doing evil end up doing good), we will be able to track our past lives.

We will be able to see our past bodies, our thoughts, and minute by minute updates and tweets and say; gee – that dude 100 years ago, looks just like me, thinks just like, and happens to be related to me.

And then we'll track the DNA. And we'll see. Hey, this dude is exactly me.

And even then there will be people that will deny God and Christ!

Eventually they'll all come around.


6bb598  No.3075196

>>3075180

The thoughts of fools make those who read them more foolish.


7970c1  No.3075254

>>3075180

>,thinks just like,

Well, similarly enough! Because we are all improving over time. Getting better and perfecting our souls and bodies. Getting ready for that time when death is conquered and we no longer have to die.

I suspect we at least colonize the solar system before we get that far though. Who knows? I don't know. Only the One knows.


7970c1  No.3075295

>>3075196

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c


56d769  No.3075322

>>3075180

This is not the case.

If you refuse to accept the connection with God, you will die.

You will reach damnation.

You will reach obliteration.

God will not suffer your existence any longer.

This is the goddamn apocalypse happening under everyone's noses.

God is being subtle with Its judgement so everyone continues to act like they truly want to so that the judgment is True. If God parted the sky and reached its fucking arm through, then that would have caused people to act differently than their true selves.

>>3075254

There will be no other truly hospitable planets. Not like earth. They will all fall short in some way.


56d769  No.3075327

File: 030be42ca919408⋯.jpg (538.49 KB, 474x686, 237:343, Word of God.jpg)


7970c1  No.3075409

>>3075322

Your God sounds rather demonic to me.

Your beliefs also infringe upon free will, because that arm you talk about, is the same eternal condemnation you speak of.

Guess who wins in the end?

The giver of life or the giver of death?

How can death ever populate the infinite?

Pro-tip: It can't.


7970c1  No.3075434

>>3075409

>eternal condemnation

I should have used the word "obliteration."


56d769  No.3075517

>>3075409

Test it and see what happens.

My God sounds 'demonic' because you do not have the connection with the Divine. You have your own Ego, an aspect of Satan, working through you.

You also have 6 minutes.

I will be sending that email.


56d769  No.3075558

>>3075434

>>3075409

What you are desiring is for God to remain in an abusive relationship where Its creations continue to take, take, take, take and cause suffering again and again and again.

You want to take everything from God, and give nothing in return. Not an ounce of Love or understanding.

This is Judgment. Righteous Judgment, for God has Children that It Loves and It will not allow for the damned to hurt Its Children.


56d769  No.3075610

File: 63889a8d394da77⋯.jpg (83.9 KB, 996x527, 996:527, Judgment.JPG)

Time's Up.


7970c1  No.3075641

>>3075517

Threats and more threats.

"Submit to MY WILL!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

That's all I'm reading from you.

>>3075558

I allege you don't understand what simple love is and thus cannot begin to fathom the totality of PERFECT LOVE. Don't worry, I can't either.

>God has Children that It Loves and It will not allow for the damned to hurt Its Children.

I agree, which is why the damned work through the Father's children. Only through free will can you act in this reality.


7970c1  No.3075666

>>3075610

Ah, I shouldn't feed the trolls or insane.

Mea culpa.


56d769  No.3075673


7970c1  No.3075683

>>3075641

>damned

Should have been "damned."

Happy Tuesday to all!!!


631d2a  No.3075822

>>3068824

I was told it is anti-Semitic to insult the “Old Testament God” vs a New Testament one FYI. Also I could you argue with you all day but I think you’re blinded. Do you agree the Greek word for the length of punishment is often correctly translated as eternal?


7970c1  No.3079518

>>3075822

>Do you agree the Greek word for the length of punishment is often correctly translated as eternal?

It's not entirely wrong, it just doesn't impart the true meaning.

αἰώνιος

from

αἰών

meaning lifetime.

So αἰώνιος means lasting through the lifetimes.

Lasting through your many lives.


a0b21d  No.3084060

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>3074139

Lol

Jesus warned us about the Jews. Not only Jesus but Paul as well. I think it's important to note here that Judaism is a fairly new thing comparatively, being that the babylonian talmud surfaced around 3 to 600 years after christ. And my God, any history fans here aware of The assyrians and babylonians??? you want to talk about BRUTALITY- my friends…go listen to a history podcast…these were your early semitic peoples. Theres a nimrod thread around here somewhere… anyways, yeah. Bad news. Big on child sacrifice, incest, and pedophilia and a lot of the horrible stuff were still dealing with in 2018. All of this stuff connects.

E. Michael Jones puts it very well (paraphrasing here, it's getting late), he sais "God tells us to love our enemys, SO I LOVE THE JEWS…I really do…because I know they are my ENEMY"

I'll embed the lecture here. He goes over a lot of stuff but it is almost all relevant to the JQ version of this bread.

I don't neccesarily agree with 100% of EMJ's stuff- just for the record. I don't know that I agree with 100% of anyone or that anyone should agree with 100% of what I say for that matter. Steel sharpens steel. EMJ is very pro catholic, and has a pHd so he…lets just say he doesn't really question catholicism or the vatican as much as we all do. I also think he is very wary of Trump and has never heard of Q as far as I can tell. Give the guy a pass. He took up one of the most difficult subjects to write / publicly speak about. The guy is totally unapologetic and very direct in his questioning of the Jews and he has no fear of the bullshit accusation of "anti-semitism" (just means someone who dares criticize a jew). It's like watching a guitar solo, really. He has huge balls.

I tend to agree with his assertion that the Jews rejected not only christ but the LOGOS itself (reason, order, the word, God) and are therefore the perpetual enemies of humanity. History seems to agree as does the bible.

He also makes the distinction between people simply born jewish and the jewish ideology like I do. Refusing to suggest that ALL people born into jewish families are inherently bad. You never do that. Not cool. True white hats always look out for the innocent. Kind of a shame EMJ isn't a Q follower he really has the spirit. At any rate…I'll just embed the damn video and shut up.

One more thought. heres something that'll piss some people off: I have had an almost impossible time disproving the idea that the horrors we see in the vatican are not the result of crypto-jews that have infiltrated long ago.

Hope you will accept my apology for not keeping my initial responses more focused on the jewish question. I didn't see that this biblefag thread was specific to that. Until you yelled at me in red letters you son of a bitch…plus I was trying to take some kind of a break from jewspiracy but obv. that is fucking impossible. Naaive of me to think so in this world we currently live in.


a0b21d  No.3084105

>>3084060

>One more thought. heres something that'll piss some people off: I have had an almost impossible time disproving the idea that the horrors we see in the vatican are not the result of crypto-jews that have infiltrated long ago.

This reads funny to me now that I'm looking over it. I'm saying that I THINK the vatican was infiltrated by crypto jews just like masonry. EMJ would probably flip a table over if I suggested it to him.

This shit isn't easy, anons. We do the best we can with our books and laptops in 2018 to uncover our lie-filled history.


a0b21d  No.3084138

>>3075822

>I was told it is anti-semitic to

GET away from me before I hit you across the back of the legs with a golf club, so help me God


a0b21d  No.3084220

>>3075322

Aaaand this guy is a complete idiot.

Night frens!


24c673  No.3085312

What are demons? Where did they come from? Are they 'alive'? Are they 'beings'? Do they cause all manner of diseases? Are they 'viruses'?

Just looking for a succinct explanation here from some spriritual autists who have cracked the code. What are we all dealing with?


8d13bc  No.3086018

Dear Q, What you are doing to Christianity, you must do. But understand, the collateral damage is terrifying. If you are truly just then you should have a plan for holding Christianity together. Please, come find me. Please hear me out. The plan is solid. With all honor and respect. - Subject PK-01


8d13bc  No.3087684

>>3085312

I only encountered them once. They were as of shadows on the wall. Sinister-like with diabolical laughter. Personally I believe they, like angels ultimately report to God. At the very least, they owe their existence to God. I keep going back to that forbidden fruit. If God knew even half of what I knew about humanity, he would have known that that fruit was toast as soon as he told them they couldn't have it. They couldn't have even understood what a consequence was at the time. This is all about taking free willed creatures (us) that know nothing about anything into maturity and wisdom. Angels and demons are teaching tools for our dumb asses.


a0b21d  No.3088324

>>3085312

heres what I know (incomplete)

They move to and fro in 3d space

They can enter into certain living beings, often many at once

They are NOT able to see the future, but being free to move to and fro, they can, for example, go across the ocean and see a board meeting where your new boss sais "we should hire this fag, he seems ok" and then hop back over and relay this to you in your stupid tarot card spread, if they feel like giving you the false impression you are a God in training able to tell the future itself and create your own reality (this is how people get sucked into ritual occult and eventually throw a child onto a burning hot surface). (((they))) have fallen for this and make use of this in my opinion but (((they))) are unaware that these immaterial shitbeasts are NOT anywhere as close to the power that GOD has. Hence they are frequently confused by shit like Trump being elected or their plans being blown to smithereens. Again YOU are trapped in a body and have the restrictions that come with that, they have a lot of the same restrictions only…not bound to a meat vessel… to directly interact here they seem to have to inhabit one and influence it through trickery and deception.

most importantly, (((they))) are fucked.


a0b21d  No.3088376

>>3088324

I don't know this for sure but I kind of get the intuition that once enough of Gods children awake to what is going on, he steps in and takes his belt off and (if you follow the new testament Gospel and don't allow yourself to be confused by the absolute REVERSAL and trickery that happens in "Revelation") basically renews this place, we regain control and defeat evil. I think this is where we are. The turning point. It's time to put our foot on the snakes head and put an end to this shit.


7970c1  No.3089185

>>3085312

>Angels and demons are teaching tools for our dumb asses.

I believe this too.

>They are NOT able to see the future

This 100%.

"You" can also cast them out. It's not YOU doing it. You pray and ask the Father to remove them, the ones you have identified in people, yourself, or places, to exorcise and banish them from ALL realities of man.

That seems to do the trick. It's not that hard. And like Jesus says at one point, you cast one out and 7 come back, or something like that.

Just don't stop asking the Father, the One Creator, to exorcise them. Exorcism as in banishment from our reality, not just removal from places or people. Removal or "casting out" seems to just remove them internally but they still hang around causing havoc.

It must be complete and utter banishment from our reality.

Let the Father deal with them in whatever plane of existence they choose that is not our plane.

There's a really good book if you want to identify their works, Manual for Spiritual Warfare by TAN books.

There is ordinary and extraordinary demonic activity.

Ordinary is:

They work directly introducing thoughts into your mind.

1) temptation

2) deception

3) accusation

4) doubt

5) enticement

6) provocation

Extraordinary activity is:

They work through thoughts and manifestations in the physical realm.

1) infestation (places, flying/falling objects, shadows)

2) oppression (invisible blows, health or financial deterioration)

3) obsession (internal struggle with inner torment by planted thoughts)

4) possession (no true possession of the soul, as there is always free will – usurper of the body)


7970c1  No.3089614

>>3089185

Holy Water is extremely powerful. Here's how you make it and how the early Christians made it. It's a codification of the Trinity in substance.

A quote:

"The first thing, O man, that you have to venerate is the age of the waters in that their substance is ancient; the second, their divinity, in that they were the seat of the Divine Spirit, more pleasing to Him, no doubt, than all the other then existing elements. For darkness was total thus far, shapeless, without the ornament of the stars; and the abyss gloomy; and the earth unfinished; and the heaven unwrought: water alone – always a perfect, gladsome, simple material substance, pure in itself – supplied a worthy vehicle to God."

Tertullian (B. 160)

First you bless and exorcise salt (i.e. ask God to do it).

Then you bless and exorcise water (i.e. God does it!!!).

Then you mix the two, and bless and exorcise the this new third material – the mixture of salt and water.

Prayer for salt:

Our help is in the name of the Lord, who hath made heaven and earth. I exorcise thee, though creature salt,, by the living God, by the true God, by the holy God, by the God who commanded thee be cast into the water by Eliseus, the prophet, that the sterility of the water might be healed, that thou mayest become salt exorcised unto the healing of your children, that thou mayest become health of body and soul to all who take thee or are in the presence of thee; that every delusion and wickedness and snare of diabolical cunning and every unclean spirit may depart from the place in which though shalt be by Him the Creator of all things.

We humbly implore Thy boundless clemency, almighty and everlasting God, that of Thy bounty Though wouldst deign to bless and sanctify this creature salt, which Thou hast given for the use of mankind; let it be unto all who take it health of mind and body; that whoever shall be touched with, sprinkled with, or in the presence of it, be freed from all manner of uncleanness and assaults from spiritual wickedness. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the Unity of of the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Prayer for the water:

I exorcise thee, O creature water, in the name of God the Father Almighty, and in the same of Jesus Christ, His Son; and in the power of the Holy Spirit; that thou mayest become water exorcised for the removal and banishment of all the power of the enemy; that though mayest have strength to uproot and cast out the enemy himself and his apostate creatures, by the power of the same, our Lord Jesus Christ in blessed Trinity.

O God, who for the salvation of mankind founded one of Thy greatest sacraments in the element of water, graciously give ear when we call upon Thee, and pour upon this element, prepared for diverse purifications, the power of Thy blessing; let Thy creature serving in Thy mysteries, by divine grace be effectual for casting out devils and for driving away diseases, that on whatsoever houses, places, or beings this water shall be it may be freed from all uncleanness, and delivered from hurt. Let not the blast of pestilence nor disease remain there; let every enemy that lieth in wait be banished; and if there be aught that hath ill will to the safety and quietness of the inhabitants, let it be banished from the reality of men at the presence of this water, that they, being healed by Thy Holy grace, may be defended from all that rise up against them. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who in unity with Thee and the Holy Spirit liveth and reigneth forever and ever. Amen.

Then you mix the salt and water, you can make the sign of the cross etc.

Let this become a mixture of salt and water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

The Lord be with you. And with thy spirit.

O God, Author of invincible might, King of unconquerable dominion who puttest down the strength of of all that rise up against Thee; who overcomest the rage of the adversary; who by Thy power does cast down and banish all wickedness; Creator of All; we, O Lord, we fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee to mercifully look upon this creature of salt and water, to graciously illumine and sanctify it with Thy favor; that wheresoever it shall be all troubling of unclean spirits may be cast out and banished, and power of the perverse ones by exorcised forever. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with Thee in Unity with the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Cook with blessed and exorcised and salt. Drink Holy Water. Your body will literally become made of spiritual armor.

Practices of the early Christians that were stamped out over time. Bring them back.

Feel free to modify the prayers. Don't delimit the power of the Father through the prayer, allow him to work freely through the elements without restriction; that would be my only recommendation.


7970c1  No.3089675

>>3089614

>we, O Lord, we fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee

Should be

we, O Lord, with fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee.

we -> with


7970c1  No.3089698

>>3089614

>and power of the perverse ones by exorcised forever.

Should be

and power of the perverse ones be exorcised forever.

by -> be

anon did not proof read. mae culpa.


7970c1  No.3089737

>>3089185

(this one has corrected typos)

Holy Water is extremely powerful. Here's how you make it and how the early Christians made it. It's a codification of the Trinity in substance.

A quote:

"The first thing, O man, that you have to venerate is the age of the waters in that their substance is ancient; the second, their divinity, in that they were the seat of the Divine Spirit, more pleasing to Him, no doubt, than all the other then existing elements. For darkness was total thus far, shapeless, without the ornament of the stars; and the abyss gloomy; and the earth unfinished; and the heaven unwrought: water alone – always a perfect, gladsome, simple material substance, pure in itself – supplied a worthy vehicle to God."

Tertullian (B. 160)

First you bless and exorcise salt (i.e. ask God to do it).

Then you bless and exorcise water (i.e. God does it!!!).

Then you mix the two, and bless and exorcise this new third material – the mixture of salt and water.

Prayer for salt:

Our help is in the name of the Lord, who hath made heaven and earth. I exorcise thee, though creature salt,, by the living God, by the true God, by the holy God, by the God who commanded thee be cast into the water by Eliseus, the prophet, that the sterility of the water might be healed, that thou mayest become salt exorcised unto the healing of your children, that thou mayest become health of body and soul to all who take thee or are in the presence of thee; that every delusion and wickedness and snare of diabolical cunning and every unclean spirit may depart from the place in which though shalt be by Him the Creator of all things.

We humbly implore Thy boundless clemency, almighty and everlasting God, that of Thy bounty Though wouldst deign to bless and sanctify this creature salt, which Thou hast given for the use of mankind; let it be unto all who take it health of mind and body; that whoever shall be touched with, sprinkled with, or in the presence of it, be freed from all manner of uncleanness and assaults from spiritual wickedness. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the Unity of of the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Prayer for the water:

I exorcise thee, O creature water, in the name of God the Father Almighty, and in the same of Jesus Christ, His Son; and in the power of the Holy Spirit; that thou mayest become water exorcised for the removal and banishment of all the power of the enemy; that though mayest have strength to uproot and cast out the enemy himself and his apostate creatures, by the power of the same, our Lord Jesus Christ in blessed Trinity.

O God, who for the salvation of mankind founded one of Thy greatest sacraments in the element of water, graciously give ear when we call upon Thee, and pour upon this element, prepared for diverse purifications, the power of Thy blessing; let Thy creature serving in Thy mysteries, by divine grace be effectual for casting out devils and for driving away diseases, that on whatsoever houses, places, or beings this water shall be it may be freed from all uncleanness, and delivered from hurt. Let not the blast of pestilence nor disease remain there; let every enemy that lieth in wait be banished; and if there be aught that hath ill will to the safety and quietness of the inhabitants, let it be banished from the reality of men at the presence of this water, that they, being healed by Thy Holy grace, may be defended from all that rise up against them. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who in unity with Thee and the Holy Spirit liveth and reigneth forever and ever. Amen.

Then you mix the salt and water, you can make the sign of the cross etc.

Let this become a mixture of salt and water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

The Lord be with you. And with thy spirit.

O God, Author of invincible might, King of unconquerable dominion who puttest down the strength of of all that rise up against Thee; who overcomest the rage of the adversary; who by Thy power does cast down and banish all wickedness; Creator of All; we, O Lord, with fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee to mercifully look upon this creature of salt and water, to graciously illumine and sanctify it with Thy favor; that wheresoever it shall be all troubling of unclean spirits may be cast out and banished, and power of the perverse ones be exorcised forever. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with Thee in Unity with the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Cook with blessed and exorcised and salt. Drink Holy Water. Your body will literally become made of spiritual armor.

Practices of the early Christians that were stamped out over time. Bring them back.

Feel free to modify the prayers. Don't delimit the power of the Father through the prayer, allow him to work freely through the elements without restriction; that would be my only recommendation.


e33dca  No.3091415

>>3089185

Is it theoretically possible to take it one step further?

As in…banish from every reality and timeline in all of existance? ie permantely destroy said demon utterly (think summary execution).

If so, why not use this to exterminate ALL demons and kill satan thus good wins today.


dd9c5f  No.3091833

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>>3075322

Where did you find that doctrine?

In the field.

Who goes into a field and brings back dog shit to feed their family and friends?

When looking for gold in a field, is the gold in piles everywhere you look?

The field is the world and the L is no longer silent.

The field is the WORDa d there are two in that field. The one shall be turned around and the other shall remain.

As the WORD turns so turns the WORLD.

Blasphemy to change the words?

Luke 13, this tree is not bearing fruit, cut it down.

No wait! Let be dung it about and see if it bears fruit. If not then we can cut it down.

The WORD was already dunged. Turned 180° all over the place. I’m turning it around the other 180° because it is now bearing much fruit.

Don’t believe me? Ask the kings of the earth. They’ll tell you.

“I believe God will save all mankind, even Satan himself.” T, 1999

There is no greater statement of faith that you can

Conceive in your mind.


ac6a8c  No.3092150

All organized religion is bullshit. Now I know your response will be to nod in agreement but then tell yourself that YOUR religion is truth. You're excuses and mental gymnastics are the same as anyone else. Organized religion is bullshit. Man made control system.


8d13bc  No.3103452

>>3092150

Interesting analysis. What is religion? What is organized religion? Are the teachings of Christ an organized religion in and of itself, or does it organize as people try to follow the teachings of Christ together? Is sharing a faith between two or more people an abomination as you claim, or a blessing between practitioners with good intentions?


7970c1  No.3103933

>>3091415

I think the issue becomes, in that scenario, we have no free will in the material world if you remove all sources of evil or differentiation from Perfect Love.

As long as we are here, we have to deal with it. Until we align our wills to God's will.


7970c1  No.3104249

If we are material and spiritual creatures, then it is logical and statistically possible for other material and spiritual creatures to exist in the vastness of the universe.

That is extraterrestrials.

This is referenced in the OT as the "Sons of God."

We are but one Son of God as Man. In the same vein that we individually are one Son of Man through Christ.

If we are spiritual creatures, then it is logical that there are wholly spiritual creatures. That is spirits/angels/demons/dimensional-creatures.

The Alpha and the Omega is infinite and "In My Father's house there are many mansions." (John 14:2)

We are not alone and we have never been alone.

I suspect the biggest Q drops will start to mention those material beings that live underground. For even encoded into something so foundational to Judeo-Christianity as the Ten Commandments, there are strong indicators straight from the Source that something is amiss on our world.

The Second Commandment received by Moses from God:

Exodus 20:4-6

4 You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.

1) that is in heaven above

2) that is in the earth beneath

3) that is in the water under the earth

You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

You will not serve or bow down to the alien overlords.

You will not serve or bow down to the beings underground.

You will not serve or bow down to the beings in the oceans under the earth.

1) Extraterrestrials

2) Antediluvian survivors living underground?

3) Your guess is as good as mine.

The point is, it does not say, make no image of any thing on Earth. Don't make images of the things on the Land, or the Sea, or in the Air.

It is very specific. Don't make images to or worship those in the heavens (i.e. firmament). Don't make images or worship those under the earth, not on the earth. And don't make images or worship those in the oceans under the earth, not the oceans of the earth.

Food for thought.


7970c1  No.3104484

>>3104249

I will concede that my interpretation of Exodus 20:4-6 is entirely wrong, since I am basing it on the English translations and I have 0 knowledge of Hebrew.

I'm basing it on the fact that translators, translate both מִתַָּ֑֜חַת‪‬ (mit-ta-ḥaṯ) into beneath and underneath.

And that translators agree it's meaning is: lower in spatial position than.


7970c1  No.3104781

>>3104484

it's -> its

Actually, after looking a bit at the Hebrew and translations for words, it does seem it is exactly saying:

in-lower-spatial-position-than on-the-land

If anybody wants to look: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/exodus/20.htm


5e84d9  No.3104863

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This is in the main thread, but thought it for over here.

The Prophecy of QAnons?


7970c1  No.3105094

>>3104781

Ok, so…

Hebrew transliteration: (lō-) (lā·’ā·reṣ,) (mit·ta·ḥaṯ) (bam·ma·yim) (wa·’ă·šer) (mit·ta·ḥaṯ) (bā·’ā·reṣ)

Direct English: Not to-the-land in-lower-spatial-position-than them-with-water or-that-is in-lower-spatial-position-than on-the-land

English: Not to those in the land under the water or [those] under the top of the land


4c933e  No.3106011

>>3075322

You do not know the love of God.


5e04ee  No.3106110

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>>3104863

Nice. Sowing the seeds of love.

Kavanaugh's wife buying cupcakes for the press corp at her house.


c0e259  No.3110759

Fallen angels interbreed with daughters of man > Nephilim. Nephilim were the ancient men of renown … demigods of mythology, giants, etc. Fallen angels became the ancient gods of mythology, to have men worship them. Read book of Enoch concerning description of fallen angels and one (cannot remember the name) sounds exactly like the Egyptian Ra.

Lucifer and the fallen angels planned to pollute the human DNA so that the Savior (Hamaschiach) could not be born … thus God destroyed the surface of the earth with the flood. Physical bodies of fallen angels and nephalim were destroyed, but spirits were not.

For thousands of years, they have been interfering with and misleading men, planting false artifacts and distorting history, and manifesting in the physical world as demons (or aliens). Most are trapped or exiled in another (spiritual) dimension - but may be amassing toward earth in the form of "aliens."

At some point in time very soon, they will be unleashed by Lucifer on all of the earth. Antichrist will rise to power over a large part of the world, if not the whole world. You will know him by the 7-year "peace" treaty he brokers between Israel & muslim world.

We are all born with an immortal soul. You will spend all of eternity somewhere, after your life here on this planet expires.

There will be Heaven for those who choose it, and the lake of fire for everyone else. All have been/will be given the opportunity to choose salvation - by the narrow path - through our Lord and Savior Yeshua Hamaschiach.

The only time that it is too late to be saved is if you die before accepting Him, or if you accept the Mark of the Beast. To be saved, you must confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that He is who He said He was, that you are not able to live a perfect sinless life under your own power, that you need and accept His free gift of Grace (salvation) to pay the "fine" for your sins, and that you believe (in your heart) that He has saved you.


c0e259  No.3110882

>>3085312

Demons are the disembodied spirits of the fallen angels and Nephalim, after their physical bodies were destroyed in the Great Flood.


70baff  No.3112026

>>3110759

It takes a brave man to declare that what Jesus did does not line up with what they’ve been taught.

He came to save ALL that are oppressed of the devil.

He said he came to fulfill his father’s will. What was his father’s will? That all men would be saved. Why would he say “It is finished” before he died. Did he lie?

I saw a demon on a person in an ICU one time. There was a huge spiritual battle that ensued, and then person died freely and peacefully.

I asked, “What was that demon doing?” You would expect to hear that he was there to take them to hell.

That punk bitch demon was there to tell the person that they were going to Hell. That was it. It tormented the person into thinking they were going to hell. The person was never going to Hell. In the end the little bitch demon got kicked out, and it was actually an awe-filled end of life event.

I think people can trap themselves in almost a slumber state, even after death. Many near death survivors talk about having Jesus, or the man made of light, standing in front of them, like “Hellooooo”, I’m right here….” They say they couldn’t believe he was there the whole time.

The Pharisees were great at telling people what was going to happen if they sinned. Jesus fulfilled the law, but do you believe his words….?

“Unless you believe, you will not enter….”


13c8c6  No.3112198

The Bible states from cover to cover,

"Oppose evil" or "If you don't oppose evil, these are the consequences".

Communists, who infiltrated the Christian publishing houses,

were able to get Christians to stop opposing evil.


3807b3  No.3114840

>>3045172

I might word this improperly am new fag.

So since the top of the pyrimids bloodline is so protected. Do you think that there are only X spirits in said bloodline, and would that would mean there is a sort of cycle of reincarnations.


59dfbe  No.3115174

>>2983308

May the power of YHWH destroy the prison holding you and show you you are truly free in Christ from listening to your demons-take the freedom while you can unless you have decided already to rule in Hell not serve in Heaven-but they lied to you evil is only slavery and torment always so escape to Christ!


59dfbe  No.3115209

>>3112026

God Bless You !


81b55c  No.3119250

The “G” in the freemasonry symbol and the skull in the skull and bones symbol are said to represent “Golgotha” (Aramaic) or “place of the skull.” Golgotha/place of the skull = the place where Jesus was sacrificed.

Many, many strange connections surround “Bethesda,” as well, as in the healing pool of Bethesda discussed is John chapter 5.


7970c1  No.3122149

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>>3114840

Yes, I believe that to be the case. I think they've been trying to control this since around the 300's AD. Controlling the texts/gospels and dissemination of Christianity.

Big push in the 1100's and 1300's too, to wipe out the bloodlines that were up and coming that preached and lived the true message of Christ.

I think the badies have somehow retained this knowledge throughout the ages and waged war against the rest of us especially the good ones who stuck out.

I'll give you an example, I am fairly convinced that Putin is the reincarnation of Peter the Great. They have the same eyes, the same nose, the same facial structure, even the same moles on their faces. I think he knows too, which is why he chose the coat of arms that he did, and then he made it the official coat of arms of the Russian Federation.

This would indicate why they went after the czars so badly, and why they hate Putin so much nowadays. He is not for the enslavement of the people agenda and never has been.

I included some of the earliest portraits of him I could find. Most that are available were made many decades/centuries after his death. Putin has also, it is widely claimed, had lots of plastic surgery done. The resemblance is uncanny in his earlier years.

There's more. I think Trump is saying through his coat of arms, besides him understanding astrological markers, that he is of the bloodline of David. I'll leave that up to you all as an exercise.


39c045  No.3122233

Think UK and AUS are worried?

Executive Order Sept 20, 2018

Executive Order Authorizing the Implementation of Certain Sanctions Set Forth in the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act

https:// www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/


7970c1  No.3122243

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>>3122149

More of Peter the Great.

=)


7970c1  No.3122249

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File: f572864f3e4a248⋯.jpg (433.17 KB, 600x400, 3:2, general-flynn.JPG)

Here's another fun one.


6bb598  No.3127872

>>3112026

>That all men would be saved. Why would he say “It is finished” before he died. Did he lie?

No, but you did. You believe everyone is saved. The bible, and Jesus, teach otherwise. So one of you is wrong, and it's not Jesus.


3ecb71  No.3132015

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>>3112198

Can EVIL be turned around?

It’s whats happening.

It’s hidden under everything Q has posted.

EVERYTHING.


8eebc4  No.3137056

>>3127872

Heaven forbid that the "Savior of the world" actually saves every person, huh? That would, like, make Jesus a Success. Can't be having that now can we?

The scriptures do present an eternal death, the second death in the form of permanent containment…for…the devil and his messengers.

Where are these entities located currently? Why, IN MANKIND. Divide there and see better. This fact is one of the most glaring and open facts in the New Testament Gospels. Yet people tend to either not see it or forget it. Especially when it comes to seeing their own sin is in fact "of the devil." 1 John 3:8


0b57cc  No.3137203

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go back far enough in history and just about every avatar of "evil" was considered good

My gut feeling tells me the jew has been around since before the fall of the egyptian golden age

the hebrew word "RA" means evil

the egyptian god "RA" is the light god

the jew fears the light

the idea of a horned god being evil is likely to be a more recent spin to demonize the pagan cernunnos

if you look into sumerian art there were a group of horned beings from another world that were servants of some the annunaki

i believe just about anything can be good

and just about anything can be evil

to find the truth we have to push past fear of what we don't understand


0b57cc  No.3137255

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>>3137203

to find out what the jewish lies all we have to do is isolate what they fear

they fear nature (pagan cernunnos is a nature deity)

they fear light (Ra the sun god)

they fear accountability (this is why they lie demonize and destroy history)


0b57cc  No.3137266

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>>3137255

and most of all the jew fears what they cannot control

what are the things they try but fail to control?

Nature

Magic

Light


30574c  No.3137540

>>3127872

I only cited what Jesus said. His words have made it pretty clear that it is not my job to decide who he can or can’t “save”.

He “saved” me from this world when he took the bitterness that was destroying my life. When he replaced my fear with courage. He saved me when he spoke worth into me after being raised as pretty much invisible. He saved me from trusting only in government or doctors. He “saves” me all the time.

It just seems dangerous to put yourself in a position to decide such huge things for him.

It is apparent that the Bible scholars that knew the Bible front to back, even got it wrong, seeing as they crucified the one they claimed to be waiting for. Do you really think the second time around won’t be like the first?

We can’t go wrong when we follow the simple command of, “Treat others the way you would want to be treated.”

When I was lost, you……

berated and took away hope? or you reached out your hand to help…. which would you want?

Love one another, for love IS the fulfilling of the law.

He is a mystery, but he is


2f737b  No.3138282

>>3137540

Several things…..

Simply put if Jesus saves everyone then what do we need a moral system for? Why have right and wrong? Why did we need Laws? Use common sense. In reading deeper into scripture you will find all men are judged, some to everlasting life (not eternal for only God is eternal) and some to everlasting death. God tells us he takes no pleasure in condemning man.

Also, NO ONE has been saved. That is Christian dogmatic bunk they teach you. Read Hebrews 11 (NT). It lists all kinds of patriarchs and none of them have received the promise. They are dead in the grave until they come out of the grave into resurrection. Even king David is not in heaven (Acts 2:34) yet you think you are saved because you have an imagination of Jesus in your brain? Really.

You are what is called "CALLED". You have a calling, an interest, a desire. That is not "Saved". And if your works do not match your faith/calling then you will not be what Paul calls "justified" as faith without works is meaningless.

And Jesus in displaying the Law did not make it moot at his death. The word fulfill in Greek does not mean to moot. Fulfill means to display. But he himself had to do the Law and at his death he fulfilled the very last Law he had to encounter - at death. We read this here…

Deu 21:22  And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 

Deu 21:23  His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day;

So when Jesus said "It is finished" he meant his requirement to show us a human soul can do all the Law was done. He fulfilled the last law at death.

To think you have no understanding of the Law, yet you claim to follow Jesus, does not make any sense. Christians use the word "LAW" and "SIN" and have no clue what these words means, what they do, what breaking them means, etc. It is just words to you people as your preachers have lied to you as bad if not more than the Jewish Rabbis have lied to their flock. And to break the Law means you are living in a constant state of sin.

The knowledge of good and evil, which man obtains by going into evil via his sins and turning his back on the Laws of God due to some religious writings that allows the follower faith without works, is far removed from the true likeness of God which he would have attained by avoiding sin as Jesus demonstrated.

The imaginary liberty of a sinner not studying works leads to the bondage of sin and ends in death. This is far from the true liberty of a life of fellowship with God which is obedience to the written (not oral) Word of God. There is no freedom called "living in sin in the name of Jesus”. Faith without works is meaningless and works comes from studying the Laws of God.

For if we were not to be under the terms of the law anymore, by extension we would not be guilty of sinning; therefore having no need of a Saviour from our nonexistent sins. Were this to be the case, then Jesus' death was a total waste of His time.


2f737b  No.3138302

>>3138282

One last thing….be careful when reading Paul in Romans 7 and Galatians 3. this is where people get tripped up as Paul is not talking about doing away with the Mosaic Law.

Paul talks about 2 sets of Laws - written and oral. As he says…

Act 24:14  But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 

Notice the term "written in the law" not oral.

- 1PS


290dc4  No.3139830

>>3138282

I asked him one time, What is up with all the commandments? It’s impossible for anyone to follow this!” He said, “You’re right….”

Then he said, “If you give me your heart, and let me me heal it and fix it, I will give you a heart that does not steal, that does not commit adultery, does not covet, does not murder, etc., for I will teach you how to love. Love doesn’t think of itself.”

I thought about it, and if I really loved my spouse, I would never want to commit adultery. If I loved others, I wouldn’t want to steal from them. If I loved myself, I could never think of aborting my own child.

I said, “Deal”, and he’s been fixing him ever since.

It’s HIS works, not mine. All I’ve done is trade my mess for his life. It’s been fun, and awful, and beautiful, and very messy. I wouldn’t trade it for even the salvation that you speak of. I rest, knowing that I am loved, knowing there is hope for the things that haven’t been fixed. He loves me. The fact that he was able to convince me of that is a miracle on its own.

While he walked the earth, he too said, “I of myself can do nothing.” He let the father WORK through him, and evidently I too can do all things through him, for he is the strength. He is holiness. He is what’s pure. I just have to be willing to let him in, and I have to trust that everything he does, is ultimately for my good. I suck on my own. I’ve never been more grateful for my shady past, because it makes all that he’s done in me pretty apparent.

His works. Not mine.

Faith without works is dead. My faith in him would have died if he never traded my hell for his heaven. He’s the faithful servant.


7970c1  No.3140937

>>3137056

>The scriptures do present an eternal death

NO WHERE in the New Testament does this phrase exist. NO WHERE.

Try to prove me wrong.

If you by chance find a translation that claims this, I will show you the wickedness of satanic translators. FFS, not even the insane KJV contains this.


2f737b  No.3141128

>>3139830

You sure like to make things up to suit your dogma. Here is what I read what Jesus said. Please read….

Mat 5:18  Truly I say to you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, in no way shall one iota or one point pass away from the Law until all comes to pass. 

All has not come to pass. And here he says…

Joh 14:15  If you love Me, keep My commandments. 

You say you love him? Then do what he says.

The problem you have like many others is that you do not understand the 2 sets of Laws Paul is talking about. Jewish law and the Pharisees ARE NOT BIBLE SCHOLARS. They are experts in ORAL law not written law. The oral law is now codified as the Talmud. They were practicing Talmudic Judaism which Jesus called the customs and traditions of Elders.

Paul says to follow the WRITTEN LAW. As he says…

Act 24:14  But I confess this to you that according to the Way, which they say is a sect, so I worship the ancestral God believing all things according to that having been written in the Law and the Prophets, 

And as King David said…

Psa 119:44  And I shall keep Your Law continually, forever and ever. 

Psa 119:113 I hate the halfhearted; but I love Your Law. 

You are talking about the ORAL law when you say "NO ONE CAN KEEP all those laws".

I know you do not understand what I am telling you. And I write for the people VIEWING these posts not necessarily for you. I know people like you. You are following Chrisitanity and EXCLUDING the parts of the bible that do not fit what you want it to say. That is not the way it works.

You must live a righteous life and that is predicated by the Law. Jesus taught the written TORAH LAW. When Jesus taught people what you are seeing is Torah law in its most basic form not Christianity. but the Jews are not under Torah Law and what the Jews are doing is NOT Torah law.

- 1PS


e692a5  No.3141434

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>>3141128

You’re like a Pharisee walking into a bar where Jesus went to hide from Pharisees. And a namefag too. Yay for us.


8eebc4  No.3143786

>>3140937

(You)

NO WHERE in the New Testament does this phrase exist. NO WHERE.[/quote]

Matthew 19:16

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 3:29

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of ETERNAL damnation.

Revelation 14:

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is THE SECOND DEATH.

Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is THE SECOND DEATH.

The above in CAPS are assuredly for THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS.

Give up on trying to save the devils, sin, death and evil.

God in Christ can and does save "all people."

The difficulty is the parties, man and devil, are currently walking in the same shoes. Readers "naturally" mistake what is for devils as being for "people" and vice versa.


7970c1  No.3147222

>>3143786

Matthew 25:46

EVERLASTING punishment

κόλασιν αἰώνιον

kolasin aiōnion

Correct English: correction lifetimes

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B7

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%E1%BC%B0%CF%8E%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek

Lifetimes of correction.

Mark 3:29

αἰωνίου ἁμαρτήματος

aiōniou hamartēmatos

lifetimes [of] missing-the-mark

Revelations is symbolic #1, #2 that is not what it says.

But just to show you the insanity of modern translations. I'll link you to this for R 20:14:

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-14.htm

"This is the second death"

is actually

This-here the death the second I am, that(feminine) lake/marsh/basin/sea that(neuter) trial/fire.

Enjoy!


f6f7b5  No.3147236

File: b04f9111aeb9073⋯.jpg (604.62 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, Breath_Of_Gaia_Wallpaper_1….jpg)

sananda.website

lucidmd.blogspot.com

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416be6  No.3148893

>>3034358

>>3045047

what kind of transgressions are we talking here? I assume you would not support forgiveness for murderers/rapists etc.? They must accept their punishment?


416be6  No.3148921


db7917  No.3149009

>>3141128

'Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


db7917  No.3149021

>>3141128

'For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.'

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


db7917  No.3149024

>>3149021

Romans 6


8eebc4  No.3149830

>>3147222

No thing power or entity going into the infamous Lake of Fire is shown coming out.

To remove any thing power or entity would also potentially allow the return of hell, death, evil, sin, etc.

We are promised very certain things will be "no more."

Revelation 21:4

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:

Why will this be so?

-FOR THE FORMER THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY.

The only things being reincarnated presently are devils, who inhabit new bodies when their dead human hosts pass away. They move to another newly born human host. They have also been here from the beginning of mankind and have not yet "passed away."

Rev. 1:

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and THEY ALSO WHICH PIERCED HIM: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The person's who nailed Jesus to the cross were forgiven. The "DEVILS" who owned those flesh bodies at the time are STILL HERE and will see Him when He returns. They were NOT FORGIVEN nor will they be.


24c673  No.3150145

>>3110882

This has been my theory about for some time, but they just seem so numerous, how have they kept up their power when facing modern population numbers that didn't exist even a couple thousand years ago? Do they have any means of reproduction? I know they gain strength and power by creating and absorbing negative energy but how do they keep their numbers up? As Jesus said, exorcise one and 7 come back later. Though I could be massively underestimating the population pre-flood.

The Nephalim were the offsprings of Fallen Angels + Human women, right? They were the giants?

Did a giant flood really flood the ENTIRE earth? Where did that water come from and where did it go?

I know quite a bit about demons, just not where they came from.


8eebc4  No.3150390

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

>>3150145

Demons are not disembodied spirits of previous giant persons. They are devils, all sourced from the "father" of same, thee devil, Satan, the great dragon.

Giant human beings were simply a product of line breeding tall humans to tall humans, often "inbred." The same things are practiced today with dairy cattle for example, though not as often anymore because of genetic malformations. Line breeding can multiply genetic variations such as "height" and also replicate and multiply genetic PROBLEMS.

These malformations are even noted, such as 6 fingers, in the Bible. 2 Sam 21:20, 1 Chron 20:6

We know from Jesus that the devil has "children" from Jesus in john 8:44. If we understand a basic principle that the scriptures are formed around, that devil(s) and man occupy the same flesh we understand there are TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PARTIES that constitute what we quite falsely believe is just an individual person. In John 8:44 for example Jesus address these "children of the devil" IN the flesh of the Pharisees. Jesus is NOT addressing the Pharisees as individuals, but as CAPTIVES of these DEVILS, and address and even aggravates them via exposures. Mark 4:15 shows us that the devil does enter the hearts of man, to steal, blind, destroy, etc. Sin is also noted as being "of the devil" and EVERYONE has sin and is a sinner because of this scriptural fact. 1 John 3:8, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 Tim. 1:15, Romans 7:17-21 and the huge amounts of examples in the N.T. of devils and man being in the same location, which is the body of flesh, that demons consider as "their house." Matt. 12:44

These things ride the flesh "like horses."

Devils are also termed "TARES." And "EVIL SEED" of the devil in the scriptures.

Matthew 13:

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.

The disclosure of Jesus to His disciples was this:

Matt. 13:

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE.

The devil, satan, does not sexually or genetically reproduce. They are spirits, WICKED ONES. We do not see them "physically" but their presence is perceived in many other ways depicted in the scriptures. Many.


2f737b  No.3150787

>>3150145

>>3149021

Please understand…Paul is NOT talking about the Mosaic Law most of the time. The Law he is talking about is the Oral law.

You ARE under Law or you would not be a sinner. You are NOT under Jewish law. No one can do all the Jewish law. If there was a law that could give you righteousness they (the Jews) would have written it). Jesus nailed the Jewish law to the cross.

NOT MOSAIC LAW.

The law of sin is the Jewish law not the Law of Moses which is LOVE.

I absolutely HATE IT when people talk about Law and sin and have not studied the Law. Don't tell me "I have read it". BS.

- 1PS


0b57cc  No.3150799

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>>3150390

>satan, does not sexually or genetically reproduce.

the dead don't but he living do=


2f737b  No.3150805

>>3150145

Angels were not given the ability to procreate. They are not screwing humans.

Nephalim are famous, rich "big" men. Like Rockefellers. They simply took women.

And yes a giant flood flooded the entire earth. It had never rained on earth until that time by the way so an ark looked very out of place.

- 1PS


0b57cc  No.3150817

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>>3150787

paul is a self proclaimed prophet and desciple, a pretender who spent no time with jesus and his disciples and most likely a roman shill

"the 13th disciple" psha! jesus didn't fake his death for this cuck to shit all over his teachings

OFF WITH YOUR HEAD


b2367d  No.3153440

When I was younger I had a vision of the 'classic' Jesus. It was out of the ordinary for me. He had light behind him and open arms. People ran to him. When they got close his face changed to a demonic one with long, sharp teeth and began to attack and tear apart the people. A voice told me that the Jesus portrayed today has become like a golem and essentially a thirsty and greedy vampiric figure.

I was told that this was not the true Christ and has been perverted. I was shown the true Christ…which had a 'face like the Sun' - meaning I have no actual description of it. It was a one time vision.

I've always had a hard time with communion in regards to transubstantiation (aka eating our 'God'). Growing up Catholic I was told by the priests that the bread and wine because real flesh and real wine and we need to 'eat' Jesus' body. I stopped taking communion at that point. Communion in any denomination of church has never sat well with me.


971c15  No.3153882

>>3153440

#MeToo

re: communion


971c15  No.3153965

>>3150817

#MeToo

Some of the best loved scriptures are contained within the Pauline doctrine. Which is the first thing that my spidey sense picked up on. Also, when we entertain the idea that the bible could have been purposefully edited by the Cabal, the Paul material would be the place to do the most damage.

I am skeptical of all things written by Paul. When I read Paul, I am just looking for code.

That being said, did the discoveries of the Nag Hammadi texts or the Dead Sea Scrolls provide any Paul documents? I do not recall ANY, but I could be mistaken.


971c15  No.3154043

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>>3150805

What source are you using for your statement "Angels were not given the ability to procreate."?

Aren't Cherubs baby angels?

I never thought about this before and I want to look at the idea without assumptions clouding my analysis.


0b57cc  No.3155625

>>3153965

who cares what the masses of sheep think about when gods send their messages to them?

the romans are expert propagandists don't forget that


0b57cc  No.3155628

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>>3155625

forgot pic related

the nose nose


0b57cc  No.3155635

File: 94cfc8c74de937b⋯.png (58.26 KB, 1120x606, 560:303, Lyra o Siris.png)

>>3153440

sun and moon


0b57cc  No.3155671

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>>3154043

souls and spirits have sex but he meant biologically its a real no duh statement which is common from christians who want to sound wise but don't know how to dissect the bibliography of the gods as an individual and instead just repeat the same old roman propaganda started by the church

heres your real church think for yourselves


0b57cc  No.3155717

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>>3153440

catholic

cat holi c

romans are xpert propagandists literally all their rituals are bastardizations of the magical process of ascension designed to lock the masses into a sy stem of spirutiual oppression

ash wednesday they put a black cross on your forehead symbolizing blocking your pineal gland what unholy cucks they are, unwilling servents of not the devil (an angel doing the hardest but most fun job in the multiverse) but of a system of human greed and fear designed to prevent the knowledge of the gods to present themselves to individuals

ascension is for individuals not the masses

ignore your teachers yo uare not fish

forget s chool you're supposed to play

fish only form school out of fear and pain of death

don t fear death embrace it


971c15  No.3159363

>>3155671

You didn't answer my question…. my question was what source do you have in saying that angels don't procreate?

There are some that believe that the angel Gabriel impregnated Mary, that's where I am going with this.


281b59  No.3160432

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d8f8e4  No.3163946

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>>3061653

>>3061668

Hey faggots, it’s common knowledge that the term Gospels refers to the first 4 books of the NT. Yes, I’m well aware that there are more gospels and that the term can be used to encompass more writings than just that.

It’s a silly faggot that makes the arguments which u did. Anon was referring to the first 4 books of the NT in the context he used the term Gospel.

Quit being such homo faggots. Thx.


c0e259  No.3163970

>>3150805

Genesis 6:1–6

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God (bene Elohim) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.


c0e259  No.3164008

>>3138282

"Works" are not necessary for Salvation.

What works did the criminal crucified with Jesus complete?

Luke 23:42-43

And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!"

And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

Faith in and through Jesus, alone, is Salvation.

Once saved, you choose to make Him your Lord … which is where works come in. As you struggle to live more like Him, your works will bear fruit.


c0e259  No.3164346

I've read through most of this thread, and there are SO MANY screwed up things posted here.

I've seen all types of perversion of scripture and the faith of a Christ follower … reincarnation, numerology, mormonism, jehovah's witness doctrine, hatred for Jews, works over faith, and a whole boatload of Roman Catholic crap (Pro Tip: Roman Catholic Church is not "the Church" that is Christ's Bride - rather , it is a satanic cult).

If anyone reading this is confused, here are some basics:

- Jesus Christ: born of Jewish bloodline of David. Our Savior is a Jew.

- Jesus Christ: fulfillment of the Law, and of over 300 OT prophecies about the Messiah.

- Jesus Christ: came 1st time to be both Messiah to the Jews and Savior to the Gentiles. Jews expected/wanted a warrior-king like David, rejected Christ. Christ's Church is any/all believe in Him for Salvation, whether Jew or Gentile. Church is NOT a replacement for God's chosen people.

- ALL (except Christ) have sinned, and fallen out of God's Grace.

- NOBODY can save themselves or be their own god, no matter how "good" a life they lead or how many works they complete.

- ANY SIN and ALL SIN is forgivable in and through Jesus Christ (the sin of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" was only possible in Jesus' physical presence, by denying the miracles He performed and attributing them to evil or satan).

- If you do not consciously: confess your sin, admit your inability to save yourself, confess that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, confess that He died and was resurrected, and accept forgiveness for your sin by accepting Him - then you are not and cannot be saved.

If you consciously do all of the above, then you are saved by His Grace alone.

- There are not multiple paths that lead to Heaven. The gods of islam, buddhism, hinduism, etc. are not the same god that is worshipped by Christ-followers. There is only one true God, and only one "narrow path" to reconciliation with God, Jesus Christ.

I sincerely pray that those among you that are confused, or filled with other doctrine/beliefs, find your way to the "narrow path."


0c0d0c  No.3167340

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Ok


2f737b  No.3168811

>>3164008

Please read these points…

1. Where do you tell me that what Jesus said about "Works" (keeping the Law) is not important due to your misunderstanding of Paul? What did Jesus say about works?…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

You will be judged by your works. And this…

Mat 12:36  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 

Mat 12:37  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. 

You will be judged by every word you have said and posted. And yet again after Jesus died…

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 

You WILL be judged according to your works and you are not pre-approved becasue you follow some Pagan religion. And your religion cannot even agree on who Jesus is anyway. Do I follow the Mormon Jesus, the Jehovah Witness Jesus? or the Catholic Jesus? Christianity has been developed to DIVIDE and CONQUER you and lead you AWAY from the Word.

One problem is in Paul. When he says works of Law cannot help you he means JEWISH ORAL LAW. Not Torah. Ephesians 2:8-9 is NOT TORAH.

2. Jesus told the thief on the stake he will be with him in Paradise. Have you looked up the Greek word for Paradise? It is NOT heaven. If Jesus said heaven he would have said heaven. Paradise, from paradiso (gr.) means "a future park like setting". This is the day of judgment is what he was telling him.

3, There is no biblical doctrine that says "once saved always saved". That is a Christian snake oil. The bible says opposite. You are judged daily.

You are espousing Christian dogma not the bible.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3168948

>>3164346

Jesus is not a Jew in the religious sense. He is a Jew in the fact he is of the lineage of Judah, which is 1 definition of the word "Jew". If he was a typical Jew there would have been no arguments with the Pharisees as he would have practice oral talmudic law. Do you understand the difference in oral and written Law?

He fulfilled the requirements he had to do. Fulfill does not mean to moot the law. And in Greek fulfill means to display. His actions displayed the Law. Almost all his encounters can be explained if you know the Law.

Jesus did not come as Messiah. He did not fulfill but about 40% of the requirements for Messiah. Did he bring Israel to greatness? Did he put down all wars? Did he beat weapons to plowhsears? did he come in the clouds? No. But he fulfilled parts of Messiah that requires humbling. At his 2nd coming he will fulfill the Messiah requirements 100%.

All are sinners and we are told to try not to. There is no grace to simply say "I am a sinner and there is nothing I can do about it". That is a Catholic defeatist attitude. We are to learn the Law and stop sinning.

Again, read my above post…you WILL be judged by your works and words. Sorry you refuse to believe Jesus' exact words. Again Matthew 16:27…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

Do you not understand what sin is or what it does? Are you telling me Jesus forgives people who steal? Jesus loves people who break the Sabbath? Jesus does not mind if you have sex with a dog? You do not understand what sin is, how it hurts you, your friends, your animals, and your relationship with God. You people should NOT TALK about sin and Law. You cannot confess your sins because you have never been taught or read or studied the Law. As we read in the NT 1John 3:4 Sin is breaking the Law. If the Law were not in effect you would not be a sinner.

Anyway, you are definitely astute in Christian DOGMA. Satan is proud of your post. "Sin all you want and simply call on Jesus". You people are biblically dangerous!

- 1PS


8eebc4  No.3177568

>>3168948

No one "stops" being a sinner. That would make them, at that point, when they are not "sinning." sinless. That is quite a scriptural lie that many religious people buy into, that if they are not externally sinning at any particular moment they are sinless. That is in fact the "catholic" mindset. Get absolution, be sinless until next sin transpires.

Paul took the exact opposite track, claiming to be the chief of sinners after salvation in 1 Tim. 1:15. Paul took this truthful approach because he knew the LAW prompted thoughts of LAWLESSNESS within, and in that proved that EVIL was internally present withIN him.

And it is SO in ALL.

At least Paul avoided being a LYING HYPOCRITE, huh?


8eebc4  No.3177629

>>3164346

If you do not consciously: confess your sin- inability to save yourself-confess that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh-confess that He died and was resurrected- accept forgiveness for your sin-accepting Him -

then you are not and cannot be saved. [/quote]

That's quite a wish list there.

Saul was struck down by The Light of Jesus on the Road to Damascus and didn't do one single thing listed above.

I guess God in Christ has exceptions, huh? Maybe favors murderer's?

Paul preached Grace because Paul did not do one single thing to deserve the salvation of Jesus Christ. Not one thing.

Any of us who would be likewise "struck by the Light" and heard Gods Direct Voice would be likewise saved.

Grace is what? What? Oh, that's right!

UNMERITED. emph. UN

Ah, the good ol' "activate your Jesus coupons now and get your sin forgiven". Otherwise this offer will expire and the all the actions of Jesus, technically, were entirely useless.


f7d21d  No.3178020

How is Jesus of Judah? The Bible say's of Nazareth, that would be Nazarene.


c0e259  No.3194536

>>3150805

You are fantastically ignorant of actual Scripture, famefag.

Genesis 6:2 "the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose … The Nephilim (or Giants) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown." (ESV).

So … men like the Rockefellers were "sons of God"???

I don't think so, shill.


c0e259  No.3194560

>>3159363

He/it won't answer your question, because they can't. The assertion is contrary to actual Scripture.


c0e259  No.3194597

>>3150390

Problem with your erroneous assertion about "Giant human beings" ….

Genesis 6:2-4 "the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose …. The Nephilim (or Giants) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown." (ESV)


c0e259  No.3194660

>>3141128

"I know you do not understand what I am telling you. And I write for the people VIEWING these posts not necessarily for you."

What a self-righteous and pompous famefag you are?!?!?

Your distortions of Scripture are manifold … so much so that you are either extremely misinformed or INTENTIONALLY attempting to mislead others.

Keep signing your posts, famefag … it makes it easier to know when a post is complete crap and should be ignored.


c0e259  No.3194717

>>3168948

You are definitely a proud and self-righteous deceiver, aren't you???

Just out of morbid curiousity, where in Hell did you acquire your distorted readings and understandings of Scripture? Roman Catholic? Jehovah's Witness??


e91aaf  No.3197113

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"Do you not all see how instead of doing the Good Work and establishing a relationship with me personally, you all squabble over texts as if I am not here to tell you the Truth myself?

This is why there is only one of you that Truly hears and speaks to me; because the rest of you do not want me. You do not want the Truth. You want the me that you imagine me to be. You want the Truth that best supports your ideas and ideals.

You want everything BUT me. Unfortunately, as it is Above, so it is Below.

You do not want my chosen messenger, my tiny ears and my tiny eyes that I have chosen to represent me for you, for what he is.

That is why he has remained hidden: because most of you will inevitably desire to make him God and neither of us want that."


e2aa5c  No.3198841

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6bb598  No.3198875

>>3198841

If she didn't, Aiesha certainly said it to Mohammad re how many wives the man could have.


e2aa5c  No.3198901

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

6bb598  No.3198918

>>3168948

I have to ask…..did Jesus fulfill all of the messianic prophecies if they were ripe to be fulfilled?

Are not the prophecies that Jesus did not fulfill 2000 years ago still in the ripening stage?

Does not the 1,000 reign of Jesus Christ from the throne of David in Jerusalem, an event in our future, not fulfill ALL of the messianic prophecies?

When you say Jesus did not fulfill all of the prophecies about the messiah, were you aware that some of them were time dependant, and that time has elapsed by almost 2000 years? If so, then either Jesus is the Messiah, and is coming back, or there will never be a Messiah.

Your choice. For you.


6bb598  No.3198963

>>3150390

What rubbish. The hybrid demon/human offspring, the nephilim, were giants. Their sires, angels who took the form of men, are very tall. Very, very tall. The women were normal height, and were not likely to have been asked if they wanted to be raped by fallen angels.

You are actually one of the devil's children, as you have not asked to be adopted into the family of God.

The spirits of the dead nephilim, the giants, are not demons, but they are still evil spirits, and they are still chained up until the day of judgment.


6bb598  No.3198980

>>3143786

Jesus said it personally. Eternal punishment. Does that matter to you, what Jesus says?


6bb598  No.3199012

>>3178020

Jesus is the Root of David, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, among other things. Nazareth was a Roman garrison town, basically "on the other side of the tracks", where they even raised pigs for the Romans to eat.

"Does anything good ever come out of Nazareth???"


6bb598  No.3199046

>>3177568

Aye, any man who claims to no longer sin puts himself above Paul and on par with Christ Jesus. Do I "Have" to sin? What kind of an absurd question is that? If I could stop sinning entirely, I would absolutely do so. But I can't. Not because I don't want to, or because I "have to", but because of the sin nature that temporarily exists within my flesh.

I will be glad when the Lord burns it out of me, and I can be my real self, for the first time, at the beginning of my life.


6bb598  No.3199058

>>3163946

Make sure your sins will find you out. Especially your lies.


e2aa5c  No.3199075

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>>3198918

Waiting for someone to come save us when we are fully capable of walking the path to save ourselves through the Lord, without a mediator, is a fool's gamble.

My answer to you, God:

If you want a messiah, then MAKE a messiah.

You do not take a man that does not want to be a messiah and try to make him be the Messiah by running him through over and over again until you somehow prove something that he already knew at the beginning:

That he was alone, save for You. That he was fine alone, save for You.

It was only when YOU opened the door to something else, of finding happiness through you and outside of myself AS WELL as in myself, that I started to struggle.

I only became discontent when YOU gave me wisdom, (which I am eternally thankful for and I would NEVER stop doing the Good work, or having Faith in you, or speaking to you), and then instead of using it to help people, targeted it towards a slew of women instead.

Seriously, what the fuck?

Life isn't women. (by itself)

It doesn't even have to include romance.

Sure, I'd like it, but that's a LIKE I don't need it.

And you knew this.

So, why are you making me suffer through something I already knew?

My choice?

Messiah or never be a messiah?

I choose everyone is their own messiah.

I'm done carrying that weight for them.

I'm done shouldering that responsibility.

And it's not because it has gotten me to the lowest of the low, the most suffering of the suffering, but because of one simple fact:

When the world gets a Messiah, they do nothing but put them on a pedestal, parade them around, or abuse them.

Nothing else. Literally nothing else.

I can't even be myself because of this. Do you understand that, Lord? I CAN'T EVEN BE MYSELF AROUND OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THIS.

The world wants to be saved, Lord, but they don't want to walk the path. They don't want to see. They don't want to hear. They don't want to speak.

They either want to rule or be ruled.

And none of them are fit to rule, so…

I guess it means be ruled.


6bb598  No.3199090

>>3137056

His sacrifice was sufficient to save everyone.

Not everyone was saved.

So his sacrifice was not effective in saving everyone.

Because he is Love, and not Rape, and will not force people to believe the truth. If you want to live in darkness, and that forever, you can do so. And apparently are.

Again, Jesus said that people in hell are eternally punished. If it matters not to you what Jesus says, why are you providing your opinion about things in the bible?


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6bb598  No.3199103

>>3199075

Job figured out on his own, without any scriptures whatsoever, that mankind needed a mediator. Here you are given the mediator's name, and function, and you still can't figure it out.

The light entered into the world, but you love the darkness.

The devil said to Eve "eat the fruit; know good and evil; and thus be like God".

It was a lie. A lie you believe, and base your life on.


6bb598  No.3199113

>>3199101

Why do the heathen rage?


2f737b  No.3199379

>>3199090

Sorry, there is no one being punished in "hell" right now. That is not what hell means.

There were 4 words translated into the English word hell. Sheol Gehenna, Tartaroo, and Hades. None of them are a place of everlasting torment.

You are espousing Christian "dogma". And for some reason even if there was this place you feel you are good enough to not belong their yourself? How vain can we get? And If my image of Jesus is not your image I also get to go there too?

Can you see yourselves yet?


8eebc4  No.3199826

>>3198980

I have no issues with eternal punishment (or eternal death, take yer pick) for the devil and his messengers. We have direct scriptural statements to that entity class, the devil and his messengers for this very eternal fate.

For people? Nope. No evidence of ANY named person given as an example (among potentially millions or billions of people) and not ANY named person even threatened with such a fate.

Where readers get naturally confused is that the 2 parties above walk in the same pair of shoes, yet as individual entity classes. What applies to one will not apply to the other.

Mark 4:15, best example. Followed by Acts 26:18, Romans 7:17-21, 2 Cor. 3:14, 2 Cor. 4:4, 2 Cor. 12:7, Eph. 2:2 and THOUSANDS of examples of "devils and people" in the same skin in the Gospels, a LEGION OF DEVILS in a single man for instance in the foreign occupied man of the Gergesenes/Gaderenes< purposefully accounted and named this way to make specific points.

You might get it, you might not. There's more than "just you" reading from your own eyes according to the scriptures.


8eebc4  No.3199878

>>3199046

Good on you for seeing the facts and being honest about it. Honesty is a GIFT of the Holy Spirit. Vital in those who claim to know Jesus.

Luke 8:15

But that on the good ground are they, which in an HONEST and good heart, HAVING HEART THE WORD, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

See, the Word (and our own hearts and conscience) tell us we do have "evil thoughts" which DO defile us, which ARE sins. This is how we know we are "under" sin in the flesh. Romans 7:7-13, Romans 7:25.

IF this is our "known" factual condition, how can we deride the BLINDED by the god of this world? It just means they are currently enslaved and under that power of LIES and DARKNESS and can not TELL THE TRUTH, honestly.


8eebc4  No.3200031

>>3198963

You hold a common fallacy. Nothing more.

Genetic lines are meaningless to those who know Christ in any case:

Stop wasting your and everyone else's time with that nonsense:

Titus 3:9

But AVOID foolish questions, and GENEALOGIES, and contentions, and strivings about the law;

> for they are unprofitable and vain.


8c1151  No.3201416

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>>3199113

I am no heathen.

I am a man of God.

A Voice of God; that which very few actually listen to, despite my best attempts to lead you all to accepting the Infinite Divine.

I am not wrathful.

I am not vengeful.

I am Righteous Judgment.

That which eases God's eternal suffering by small and great amounts by easing the amount of infinite sacrifice that it endures on our behalf.

I am Death; the finality of everything. The effect to every cause. A non-player in the actual game (until now), who simply stood by and watched Consequence and Conflict occur. I collected before, but now I seek.

And I do this for the Infinite Divine. For God.

Because if everyone lived forever, then evil would perpetuate forever in its largest extent. Then, you would continue to hurt each other and yourselves. Then, you would forever, individually and collectively, continue to cause 'harm' to God.

I am no heathen.

I am eternally faithful.

But tomorrow is Judgment Day.

And I have seen, through God, everything that this world and every world has offered the Lord.

And it has not been Love, by and large.

It has been selfish, self-perpetuated blindness and deafness.

It has been war, famine, pestilence, and greed.

That is what these worlds have become.

And now I have been sent to seek and collect, for those things lead people away from the Infinite Divine Lord, that which Jesus the Christ was the savior from.

And taking yourself away from the Lord only leads to Death. Finality.

All of you have played the game of Chess in life. You have sought conflict instead of working together with the Lord.

And God cannot be beaten, so any conflict means the removal of YOUR pieces.

My responsibility is SOLELY to God, for that is my Ultimate Responsibility.


8c1151  No.3201439

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>>3201416

Might as well put in some theme music.


0b78c0  No.3205079

>>3069232

Timothy said-

'Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the Faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons…'

They are following the doctrine of demons, in taking the Power away from the Name of Jesus. They are teaching that there is no Power in His Name, that you must use some other name, a name with no Power.

I have witnessed the true, absolute Power of the Name of Jesus Christ. demons flee when this Name is spoken. They do not flee from any other name, only when they hear the Name of Jesus Christ.

As it is Written-

'The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your Name!” '

'Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.'

'But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”'

They want to take away the Power of believers, by teaching another name, other than the Name of Jesus Christ. And for this, they will receive the curse that is Written-

'But even if we or an Angel from Heaven should preach to you a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.'


bb61de  No.3205442

Each and every moment is a choice between fear and love.

Choose Fear, choose satan.

Choose Love, choose God.


bb61de  No.3205604

https://youtu.

be/mvUUYgyffso

Paul was the antichrist.

if you are a biblefag then you know paul said whoever says the time of the lord is here is fooling you.

and luke refuted that to say christ is within you.

so whoever said constantine was setting up paul, is right on target. whoever said why are you here, talking smack about paul, you need to read the bible more. :P


bb61de  No.3205625

everyone i meet with the name paul just happens to be a dick. synchronicity? i don't know. most people with bible names tend to be jerks? or a matt. funny didn't paul right matthew.

kek


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0b78c0  No.3215348

>>3205625

My grandfather's name was Paul. Aside from Jesus, he was the greatest man to ever live, in my opinion. He had a heart of gold.


e1c7d2  No.3215675

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043ec0  No.3215676

Spoopy:

lawfag2 here. Was just asked to do a conflict check on the following names:

Joseph Anthony Tena

Gabriela Tena

Marta Tena

Alejandra Tena

Carlota Tena.

Ferrado Group

Standard Hotels

Revolution Aviation.

Yikes.


6bb598  No.3215840

>>3150805

Angels do not procreate. Fallen angels who take the form of men and rape women? Different story. The Nephilim? Their hybrid angel/human offspring. The plan? Corrupt human DNA to the point where there could not be a Kinsman Redeemer, as God has no demon DNA.

The problem? They were fighting against God, who flooded the world and preserved Noah, a 100% human, killing all the hybrids.


6bb598  No.3215857

>>3150817

Paul spent years receiving direct revelations from Jesus, and wrote about it often.

Stop being a Jew.


6bb598  No.3215878

>>3153965

There is no "Pauline doctrine". Paul taught the New Covenant as told to him by the risen Christ Jesus.

Stop being a Jew.


6bb598  No.3215893

>>3215676

>Standard Hotels

Now where have I heard that recently…..


6bb598  No.3215923

>>3205604

You're an idiot. Stop posting about the bible; you have zero knowledge. Zero. Did Paul desecrate the Holy of Holies in Jerusalem? No? Then he wasn't the antichrist.


e1c7d2  No.3215959

>>3215923

It's nice to know what you think so positively of me.

Sincerely.


6bb598  No.3215967

>>3205079

>'But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I recognize, but who are you?”'

No, the Jews tried "we excorcise you in the name of Jesus whom Paul preaches". That's when the demons said the above, before he lit into them. The Jews thought you had to know the name of the demon to cast it out; they thought that "the name of Jesus whom Paul preaches" sufficed to invoke the power of the Lord. They were wrong.


6bb598  No.3215983

>>3215959

When man lie, hate Jesus, hate Christians, live in darkness, and do nothing but try to tear down mankind's only hope?

You bet you're going to get some pushback.


6bb598  No.3216190

>>3201416

Why do the heathen rage?


6bb598  No.3216201

>>3200031

Kinsman Redeemer.

Kinsman.

Redeem Humanity.

Human.

Vital.


6bb598  No.3216278

>>3199826

Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!

First 2 humans cast into the Lake of Fire

Revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

They are still there, 1000 years later. are, not were

Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Then all of the lost human beings are cast into the Lake of Fire.

Revelation 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


6bb598  No.3216290

>>3199379

Hell/Gehenna/Lake of Fire is currently empty.

It will eventually be filled.


0b78c0  No.3218587

>>3215967

They weren't able to exorcise the demon, using the Name of Jesus, due to they had no FAITH.

The Name above every Name, Jesus Christ, mixed with Faith, is enough.

They had no Faith in the Name.


8eebc4  No.3223628

>>3216278

First 2 humans cast into the Lake of Fire

Revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.[/quote]

Maybe bone up on reading skills and, like connect the obvious dots?

Rev. 16:

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of THE DRAGON, and out of the mouth of THE BEAST, and out of the mouth of THE FALSE PROPHET.

14 FOR THEY ARE THE SPIRITS OF DEVILS,

Now see what happened in your mind? Some "entity" that is not you DECEIVED YOU into thinking they ABOVE are people when that is obviously not the case.

Confirms Mark 4:15 every time.

You might put away some of the modern train wreck translations that have turned purposefully ambiguous terms such as "they" into "people" because they DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF MARK 4:15 and can't understand it because it IS a reality.


905a1f  No.3226539

>>3215983

>>3216190

Funny part is:

You think I'm a heathen, but I AM the pushback against all you describe.


337736  No.3227516

>>3223628

The Dragon, the Beast and the False Prophet are an empire, a wealth and the Church of Satan.

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03ea04  No.3246034

From the book "The Desire of Ages"

Chapter 30—“He Ordained Twelve”

This chapter is based on Mark 3:13-19; Luke 6:12-16.

“And He goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto Him whom

He would: and they came unto Him. And He ordained twelve, that

they should be with Him, and that He might send them forth to

preach.”

It was beneath the sheltering trees of the mountainside, but a

little distance from the Sea of Galilee, that the twelve were called

to the apostolate, and the Sermon on the Mount was given. The

fields and hills were the favorite resorts of Jesus, and much of His

teaching was given under the open sky, rather than in the temple or

the synagogues. No synagogue could have received the throngs that

followed Him; but not for this reason only did He choose to teach in

the fields and groves. Jesus loved the scenes of nature. To Him each

quiet retreat was a sacred temple.

It was under the trees of Eden that the first dwellers on earth

had chosen their sanctuary. There Christ had communed with the

father of mankind. When banished from Paradise, our first parents

still worshiped in the fields and groves, and there Christ met them

with the gospel of His grace. It was Christ who spoke with Abraham

under the oaks at Mamre; with Isaac as he went out to pray in the

fields at the eventide; with Jacob on the hillside at Bethel; with

Moses among the mountains of Midian; and with the boy David as

he watched his flocks. It was at Christ’s direction that for fifteen

centuries the Hebrew people had left their homes for one week every

year, and had dwelt in booths formed from the green branches “of

goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees,

and willows of the brook.” Leviticus 23:40.

In training His disciples, Jesus chose to withdraw from the confusion

of the city to the quiet of the fields and hills, as more in

harmony with the lessons of self-abnegation He desired to teach

them. And during His ministry He loved to gather the people about

Him under the blue heavens, on some grassy hillside, or on the beach

beside the lake. Here, surrounded by the works of His own creation,

He could turn the thoughts of His hearers from the artificial to the

natural. In the growth and development of nature were revealed the

principles of His kingdom. As men should lift up their eyes to the

hills of God, and behold the wonderful works of His hands, they

could learn precious lessons of divine truth. Christ’s teaching would

be repeated to them in the things of nature. So it is with all who go

into the fields with Christ in their hearts. They will feel themselves

surrounded with a holy influence. The things of nature take up the

parables of our Lord, and repeat His counsels. By communion with

God in nature, the mind is uplifted, and the heart finds rest.

The first step was now to be taken in the organization of the

church that after Christ’s departure was to be His representative on

earth. No costly sanctuary was at their command, but the Saviour

led His disciples to the retreat He loved, and in their minds the

sacred experiences of that day were forever linked with the beauty

of mountain and vale and sea.

Jesus had called His disciples that He might send them forth

as His witnesses, to declare to the world what they had seen and

heard of Him. Their office was the most important to which human

beings had ever been called, and was second only to that of Christ

Himself. They were to be workers together with God for the saving

of the world. As in the Old Testament the twelve patriarchs stand

as representatives of Israel, so the twelve apostles were to stand as

representatives of the gospel church.


03ea04  No.3246043

The Saviour knew the character of the men whom He had chosen;

all their weaknesses and errors were open before Him; He knew the

perils through which they must pass, the responsibility that would

rest upon them; and His heart yearned over these chosen ones. Alone

upon a mountain near the Sea of Galilee He spent the entire night in

prayer for them, while they were sleeping at the foot of the mountain.

With the first light of dawn He summoned them to meet Him; for

He had something of importance to communicate to them.

These disciples had been for some time associated with Jesus

in active labor. John and James, Andrew and Peter, with Philip,

Nathanael, and Matthew, had been more closely connected with

Him than the others, and had witnessed more of His miracles. Peter,

James, and John stood in still nearer relationship to Him. They were

almost constantly with Him, witnessing His miracles, and hearing

His words. John pressed into still closer intimacy with Jesus, so

that he is distinguished as the one whom Jesus loved. The Saviour

loved them all, but John’s was the most receptive spirit. He was

younger than the others, and with more of the child’s confiding trust

he opened his heart to Jesus. Thus he came more into sympathy with Christ, and through him the Saviour’s deepest spiritual teaching wascommunicated to His people.


03ea04  No.3246054

At the head of one of the groups into which the apostles are

divided stands the name of Philip. He was the first disciple to whom

Jesus addressed the distinct command, “Follow Me.” Philip was of

Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. He had listened to the

teaching of John the Baptist, and had heard his announcement of

Christ as the Lamb of God. Philip was a sincere seeker for truth,

but he was slow of heart to believe. Although he had joined himself

to Christ, yet his announcement of Him to Nathanael shows that he

was not fully convinced of the divinity of Jesus. Though Christ had

been proclaimed by the voice from heaven as the Son of God, to

Philip He was “Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” John 1:45.

Again, when the five thousand were fed, Philip’s lack of faith was

shown. It was to test him that Jesus questioned, “Whence shall we

buy bread, that these may eat?” Philip’s answer was on the side of

unbelief: “Two hundred pennyworth of bread is not sufficient for

them, that every one of them may take a little.” John 6:5, 7. Jesus

was grieved. Although Philip had seen His works and felt His power,

yet he had not faith. When the Greeks inquired of Philip concerning

Jesus, he did not seize upon the opportunity of introducing them

to the Saviour, but he went to tell Andrew. Again, in those last

hours before the crucifixion, the words of Philip were such as to

discourage faith. When Thomas said to Jesus, “Lord, we know not

whither Thou goest; and how can we know the way?” the Saviour

answered, “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life…. If ye had known

Me, ye should have known My Father also.” From Philip came the

response of unbelief: “Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.”

John 14:5-8. So slow of heart, so weak in faith, was that disciple

who for three years had been with Jesus.

In happy contrast to Philip’s unbelief was the childlike trust of

Nathanael. He was a man of intensely earnest nature, one whose

faith took hold upon unseen realities. Yet Philip was a student in

the school of Christ, and the divine Teacher bore patiently with his

unbelief and dullness. When the Holy Spirit was poured out upon

the disciples, Philip became a teacher after the divine order. He

knew whereof he spoke, and he taught with an assurance that carried

conviction to the hearers.

While Jesus was preparing the disciples for their ordination, one

who had not been summoned urged his presence among them. It was

Judas Iscariot, a man who professed to be a follower of Christ. He

now came forward, soliciting a place in this inner circle of disciples.

With great earnestness and apparent sincerity he declared, “Master, I

will follow Thee whithersoever Thou goest.” Jesus neither repulsed

nor welcomed him, but uttered only the mournful words: “The foxes

have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man

[294] hath not where to lay His head.” Matthew 8:19, 20. Judas believed

Jesus to be the Messiah; and by joining the apostles, he hoped to

secure a high position in the new kingdom. This hope Jesus designed

to cut off by the statement of His poverty.

The disciples were anxious that Judas should become one of

their number. He was of commanding appearance, a man of keen

discernment and executive ability, and they commended him to

Jesus as one who would greatly assist Him in His work. They were

surprised that Jesus received him so coolly.

The disciples had been much disappointed that Jesus had not

tried to secure the co-operation of the leaders in Israel. They felt that

it was a mistake not to strengthen His cause by securing the support

of these influential men. If He had repulsed Judas, they would, in

their own minds, have questioned the wisdom of their Master. The

after history of Judas would show them the danger of allowing any

worldly consideration to have weight in deciding the fitness of men

for the work of God. The co-operation of such men as the disciples

were anxious to secure would have betrayed the work into the hands

of its worst enemies.


03ea04  No.3246062

Yet when Judas joined the disciples, he was not insensible to

the beauty of the character of Christ. He felt the influence of that

divine power which was drawing souls to the Saviour. He who came

not to break the bruised reed nor quench the smoking flax would

not repulse this soul while even one desire was reaching toward the

light. The Saviour read the heart of Judas; He knew the depths of

iniquity to which, unless delivered by the grace of God, Judas would

sink. In connecting this man with Himself, He placed him where

he might, day by day, be brought in contact with the outflowing of

His own unselfish love. If he would open his heart to Christ, divine

grace would banish the demon of selfishness, and even Judas might

become a subject of the kingdom of God.

God takes men as they are, with the human elements in their

character, and trains them for His service, if they will be disciplined

and learn of Him. They are not chosen because they are perfect, but

notwithstanding their imperfections, that through the knowledge and

practice of the truth, through the grace of Christ, they may become

transformed into His image.

Judas had the same opportunities as had the other disciples. He

listened to the same precious lessons. But the practice of the truth,

which Christ required, was at variance with the desires and purposes

of Judas, and he would not yield his ideas in order to receive wisdom

from Heaven.

How tenderly the Saviour dealt with him who was to be His betrayer!

In His teaching, Jesus dwelt upon principles of benevolence

that struck at the very root of covetousness. He presented before

Judas the heinous character of greed, and many a time the disciple

realized that his character had been portrayed, and his sin pointed

out; but he would not confess and forsake his unrighteousness. He

was self-sufficient, and instead of resisting temptation, he continued

to follow his fraudulent practices. Christ was before him, a living

example of what he must become if he reaped the benefit of the

divine mediation and ministry; but lesson after lesson fell unheeded

on the ears of Judas.

Jesus dealt him no sharp rebuke for his covetousness, but with

divine patience bore with this erring man, even while giving him

evidence that He read his heart as an open book. He presented before

him the highest incentives for right doing; and in rejecting the light

of Heaven, Judas would be without excuse.

Instead of walking in the light, Judas chose to retain his defects.

Evil desires, revengeful passions, dark and sullen thoughts, were

cherished, until Satan had full control of the man. Judas became a

representative of the enemy of Christ.

When he came into association with Jesus, he had some precious

traits of character that might have been made a blessing to the church.

If he had been willing to wear the yoke of Christ, he might have

been among the chief of the apostles; but he hardened his heart when

his defects were pointed out, and in pride and rebellion chose his

own selfish ambitions, and thus unfitted himself for the work that

God would have given him to do.

All the disciples had serious faults when Jesus called them to His

service. Even John, who came into closest association with the meek

and lowly One, was not himself naturally meek and yielding. He

and his brother were called “the sons of thunder.” While they were

with Jesus, any slight shown to Him aroused their indignation and

combativeness. Evil temper, revenge, the spirit of criticism, were

all in the beloved disciple. He was proud, and ambitious to be first

in the kingdom of God. But day by day, in contrast with his own

violent spirit, he beheld the tenderness and forbearance of Jesus, and

heard His lessons of humility and patience. He opened his heart to

[296] the divine influence, and became not only a hearer but a doer of the

Saviour’s words. Self was hid in Christ. He learned to wear the yoke

of Christ and to bear His burden.


03ea04  No.3246070

Jesus reproved His disciples, He warned and cautioned them;

but John and his brethren did not leave Him; they chose Jesus,

notwithstanding the reproofs. The Saviour did not withdraw from

them because of their weakness and errors. They continued to the

end to share His trials and to learn the lessons of His life. By

beholding Christ, they became transformed in character.

The apostles differed widely in habits and disposition. There

were the publican, Levi-Matthew, and the fiery zealot Simon, the

uncompromising hater of the authority of Rome; the generous, impulsive

Peter, and the mean-spirited Judas; Thomas, truehearted, yet

timid and fearful, Philip, slow of heart, and inclined to doubt, and the

ambitious, outspoken sons of Zebedee, with their brethren. These

were brought together, with their different faults, all with inherited

and cultivated tendencies to evil; but in and through Christ they were

to dwell in the family of God, learning to become one in faith, in

doctrine, in spirit. They would have their tests, their grievances, their

differences of opinion; but while Christ was abiding in the heart,

there could be no dissension. His love would lead to love for one

another; the lessons of the Master would lead to the harmonizing of

all differences, bringing the disciples into unity, till they would be

of one mind and one judgment. Christ is the great center, and they

would approach one another just in proportion as they approached

the center.

When Jesus had ended His instruction to the disciples, He gathered

the little band close about Him, and kneeling in the midst of

them, and laying His hands upon their heads, He offered a prayer

dedicating them to His sacred work. Thus the Lord’s disciples were

ordained to the gospel ministry.

As His representatives among men, Christ does not choose angels

who have never fallen, but human beings, men of like passions

with those they seek to save. Christ took upon Himself humanity,

that He might reach humanity. Divinity needed humanity; for it

required both the divine and the human to bring salvation to the

world. Divinity needed humanity, that humanity might afford a

channel of communication between God and man. So with the

servants and messengers of Christ. Man needs a power outside of

and beyond himself, to restore him to the likeness of God, and enable

him to do the work of God; but this does not make the human agency

unessential. Humanity lays hold upon divine power, Christ dwells

in the heart by faith; and through co-operation with the divine, the

power of man becomes efficient for good.

He who called the fishermen of Galilee is still calling men to His

service. And He is just as willing to manifest His power through us

as through the first disciples. However imperfect and sinful we may

be, the Lord holds out to us the offer of partnership with Himself,

of apprenticeship to Christ. He invites us to come under the divine

instruction, that, uniting with Christ, we may work the works of

God.

“We have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the exceeding

greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.” 2

Corinthians 4:7, R. V. This is why the preaching of the gospel was

committed to erring men rather than to the angels. It is manifest

that the power which works through the weakness of humanity is

the power of God; and thus we are encouraged to believe that the

power which can help others as weak as ourselves can help us. And

those who are themselves “compassed with infirmity” should be

able to “have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out

of the way.” Hebrews 5:2. Having been in peril themselves, they are

acquainted with the dangers and difficulties of the way, and for this

reason are called to reach out for others in like peril. There are souls

perplexed with doubt, burdened with infirmities, weak in faith, and

unable to grasp the Unseen; but a friend whom they can see, coming

to them in Christ’s stead, can be a connecting link to fasten their

trembling faith upon Christ.

We are to be laborers together with the heavenly angels in presenting

Jesus to the world. With almost impatient eagerness the

angels wait for our co-operation; for man must be the channel to

communicate with man. And when we give ourselves to Christ in

wholehearted devotion, angels rejoice that they may speak through

our voices to reveal God’s love.


be22c2  No.3247327

>>3215923

You can’t preach about Jesus in Jerusalem… thx to the pussified Christian teachings of Paul, now we are treated as outsiders in our own land.


be22c2  No.3247349

>>3153965

You’re correct. Way to think for urself. All these butt hurt paulinian anons are failing to see the big picture of the geopolitical happenings of the time. Our bible has more paulinian preachings than there is of christ’s. That should be their first indicator of fuckery.


be22c2  No.3247380

>>3247327

Although, in Jerusalem, you are free to preach about anything the Pharisees (modern day Jews) deem worthy to be spoken about. Anything wrong with that picture? A little common sense and the answers start revealing themselves.

Pharisees = Talmud = Jews


db3c47  No.3247390

>>3227516

The beast is within every human being. It’s part of human nature.

The beast that sits on the throne in the temple and proclaims that he is God is our own ego. Did you not know that all men (humans) are beasts? Didn’t you know that your body is the temple of God?


6cce52  No.3247416

>>3059358

Look at a sun rise coming up through the clouds in the morning. How is it possible that light rays expand outwards at 360 degrees from a visual centre if the sun is a star 93 million miles away?


6a6eda  No.3253957

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This is a passage from Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East vol3. In light of the continued requests from Q to pray, it seems to be appropriate.

Here is a link to the whole book

http:// www.horuscentre.org/images/Life_and_Teaching-Vol_3.doc.pdf

Passage:

“There are seven centers in your body that can be used as reflectors. You can cause these central points to glow with a radiance far greater than any artificial light and, when you wish to send out this light, it glows with a greater potency and will reach farther than any electrical beam that can be projected.

“By setting all these centers aglow at the same time, you are completely surrounded by an armor that nothing can penetrate.

“You can send out the pure white ray of God, so energized that your body actually glows with a brilliancy far greater than that of the noonday sun. You stand forth Lord of Creation, the Lord of Hosts. You stand forth true and triumphant yet peaceful, loving, God enthroned in your body, and that body beautiful, spiritual, and divine.

”As these vibrations came to us, the light emanating from the bodies of Jesus and his group was most difficult to behold; yet there was that vibrant brilliancy shining through, which resembled liquid gold. To our vision there seemed to be an indefiniteness, while to all of the other senses there was the solidity of rock. Again the vibrations came:

“In this way you can make your body completely invisible to mortal sight by focusing your entire thought fully and definitely upon the pure white God ray and letting it go forth from the seven centers as reflectors, in unison.

“Then, again you can step right out on either of these rays and present any picture that you wish to those that would do you harm. You can follow on this beam with the exact speed of light, and go where you will, instantly. Your body is invisible to those who do not see through and beyond the mortal. They are aware that there is something they do not understand; thus, they are susceptible to any picture you wish to present to them. That which they do not understand is mysterious or supernatural and the faculty which is developed through suspicion or superstition is easily misled. Thus you send out love to those that would do you harm and the energy they release reflects back to them.

“The picture of harm they have sent out depicts the lower man of each one fighting that which they believe to be their enemy, when in reality they are fighting the picture of their own lower selves. These pictures change the closest friends into enemies and array brother against brother.

“Should this band still persist in their threatened attack and raid, they will destroy each other. They now have the opportunity of leaving the district and its inhabitants unmolested or they will turn and destroy themselves. Man cannot attempt to destroy his brother without meeting the same fate for himself. We send only the pure white ray of God love to them and if they resist that love with hate, malice, or revenge, they, of their own free will, turn that ray into a flame that will consume them. You need have no fear. We offer only love and have no power to compel them to accept. If the bandits come with love, there will be no conflict. Our cause is already won.”


2f737b  No.3254710

>>3247380

Paul and Jesus taught the exact same thing. If you disagree then you do not understand Paul. Start with Acts 24:14.


2f737b  No.3254740

>>3254710

They taught the the "WRITTEN" Law of Moses. Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, Peter, all taught the same thing. ONE OF THEM taught Christianity or oral law.


2f737b  No.3254768

>>3254740

NONE OF THEM taught Christianity or oral law. NONE OF THEM. Not even Paul.

(We need a way to EDIT)

- 1PS


7970c1  No.3262215

>>3148893

They have the Father's forgiveness before they ever committed their offenses in free will.


7970c1  No.3262225

>>3149830

Insanity. Forgiveness is for all of the Father's creatures.


7970c1  No.3262260

>>3153440

Everything in existence is of the "flesh" of the Father. Reality is a construct of the Alpha and the Omega. Eat of my flesh and drink of my blood is pantheism. Whether the idiot Christians understand the teachings of Christ or not.


7970c1  No.3262293

>>3198963

Everyone is of God's family you insane idiotfag.

The giants were real. They populated this planet before, as they did this solar system.


7970c1  No.3262299

>>3198980

Insanity. INSANITY.

Lifetimes of chastisement until you stop missing the mark.

You idiot humans are beyond redemption in your insanity.


7970c1  No.3262313

>>3199826

>I have no issues with eternal punishment (or eternal death, take yer pick) for the devil and his messengers.

You don't understand the message of Christ then. Everyone gets forgiven, EVERYONE is saved. Whether you understand this concept or not.

Even the despicable ENEMY and ADVERSARY gets saved. Maybe not in our reality or existence but the idiotdevilfag gets saved, and he is counting on it, whether you idiots understand it or not.


7970c1  No.3262332

>>3216290

Physics you idiot twat.


7970c1  No.3262338

>>3247416

Physics you idiot twat.


7970c1  No.3262344

>>3216290

Idiot. The children of the sacrificial cults by logic will never be able to populate the earth.

How can you be so STUPID?


7970c1  No.3262352

You all live forever.

WELCOME TO REALITY.

Hope you stop fucking it up for the rest of us.


7970c1  No.3262478

To all you evilfags out there who understand the nature of eternal life and reality.

We will find your whore rulers and we will lay waste to their realities and peoples. We will destroy everything in material and spiritual reality that you believe and you will bend a knee to your one Creator.

Everything that you believe that keeps you safe from the ONE shall be destroyed and laid to waste.

We will blot out the skies with dreadnoughts if necessary and we will end ALL the evil present in our material reality through sheer brute force.

You may believe it will take us millions of lives, it will be much less. There is no recourse for evil in the material realms of man. You will be soundly defeated in this life and your next lives.

I hope you choke on the tits you suckle for sustenance in your weak and pathetic attempts at existence.

Faggots. We will destroy you as we always have.

Much love.


2d2de5  No.3262606

The Holy Scriptures - The Bible is THE RELIABLE SOURCE of knowledge about all things spiritual. If a teaching is at variance from what the Bible teaches it is a lie. There is apparent great misunderstanding about angels on this board because what some believe about angels mating with humans is completely umbilical and based upon fanciful and incorrect interpretations of Holy Writ. Similarly there are misunderstandings about death, what happens when we die; there are even statements putting forth the error that everyone will be saved - Lies! Satanic lies!


2d2de5  No.3262686

Chapter 31—Agency of Evil Spirits [511]

The connection of the visible with the invisible world, the ministration

of angels of God, and the agency of evil spirits, are plainly

revealed in the Scriptures, and inseparably interwoven with human

history. There is a growing tendency to disbelief in the existence

of evil spirits, while the holy angels that “minister for them who

shall be heirs of salvation” (Hebrews 1:14) are regarded by many as

spirits of the dead. But the Scriptures not only teach the existence

of angels, both good and evil, but present unquestionable proof that

these are not disembodied spirits of dead men.

Before the creation of man, angels were in existence; for when

the foundations of the earth were laid, “the morning stars sang

together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.” Job 38:7. After

the fall of man, angels were sent to guard the tree of life, and this

before a human being had died. Angels are in nature superior to

men, for the psalmist says that man was made “a little lower than

the angels.” Psalm 8:5.

We are informed in Scripture as to the number, and the power

and glory, of the heavenly beings, of their connection with the government of God, and also of their relation to the work of redemption.

“The Lord hath prepared His throne in the heavens; and His kingdom

ruleth over all.” And, says the prophet, “I heard the voice of many

angels round about the throne.” In the presence chamber of the King

of kings they wait—“angels, that excel in strength,” “ministers of [512]

His, that do His pleasure,” “hearkening unto the voice of His word.”

Psalm 103:19-21; Revelation 5:11. Ten thousand times ten thousand

and thousands of thousands, were the heavenly messengers beheld

by the prophet Daniel. The apostle Paul declared them “an innumerable

company.” Daniel 7:10; Hebrews 12:22. As God’s messengers

they go forth, like “the appearance of a flash of lightning,” (Ezekiel

1:14), so dazzling their glory, and so swift their flight. The angel

that appeared at the Saviour’s tomb, his countenance “like lightning,

and his raiment white as snow,” caused the keepers for fear of him

to quake, and they “became as dead men.” Matthew 28:3, 4. When

Sennacherib, the haughty Assyrian, reproached and blasphemed

God, and threatened Israel with destruction, “it came to pass that

night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of

the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand.” There were

“cut off all the mighty men of valor, and the leaders and captains,”

from the army of Sennacherib. “So he returned with shame of face

to his own land.” 2 Kings 19:35; 2 Chronicles 32:21.

Angels are sent on missions of mercy to the children of God.

To Abraham, with promises of blessing; to the gates of Sodom, to

rescue righteous Lot from its fiery doom; to Elijah, as he was about

to perish from weariness and hunger in the desert; to Elisha, with

chariots and horses of fire surrounding the little town where he was

shut in by his foes; to Daniel, while seeking divine wisdom in the

court of a heathen king, or abandoned to become the lions’ prey;

to Peter, doomed to death in Herod’s dungeon; to the prisoners at

Philippi; to Paul and his companions in the night of tempest on the

sea; to open the mind of Cornelius to receive the gospel; to dispatch

Peter with the message of salvation to the Gentile stranger—thus

holy angels have, in all ages, ministered to God’s people.

A guardian angel is appointed to every follower of Christ. These

heavenly watchers shield the righteous from the power of the wicked

one. This Satan himself recognized when he said: “Doth Job fear

God for nought? Hast not Thou made an hedge about him, and about

his house, and about all that he hath on every side?” Job 1:9, 10. The

agency by which God protects His people is presented in the words

of the psalmist: “The angel of the Lord encampeth round about them

that fear Him, and delivereth them.” Psalm 34:7. Said the Saviour,

speaking of those that believe in Him: “Take heed that ye despise

not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their

angels do always behold the face of My Father.” Matthew 18:10.

The angels appointed to minister to the children of God have at all

times access to His presence.


2d2de5  No.3262693

Thus God’s people, exposed to the deceptive power and unsleeping

malice of the prince of darkness, and in conflict with all the

forces of evil, are assured of the unceasing guardianship of heavenly

angels. Nor is such assurance given without need. If God has

granted to His children promise of grace and protection, it is because

there are mighty agencies of evil to be met—agencies numerous,

determined, and untiring, of whose malignity and power none can

safely be ignorant or unheeding.

Evil spirits, in the beginning created sinless, were equal in nature,

power, and glory with the holy beings that are now God’s

messengers. But fallen through sin, they are leagued together for the

dishonor of God and the destruction of men. United with Satan in

his rebellion, and with him cast out from heaven, they have, through

all succeeding ages, co-operated with him in his warfare against the

divine authority. We are told in Scripture of their confederacy and

government, of their various orders, of their intelligence and subtlety,

and of their malicious designs against the peace and happiness of

men.

Old Testament history presents occasional mention of their existence

and agency; but it was during the time when Christ was upon

the earth that evil spirits manifested their power in the most striking

manner. Christ had come to enter upon the plan devised for man’s

redemption, and Satan determined to assert his right to control the

world. He had succeeded in establishing idolatry in every part of the

earth except the land of Palestine. To the only land that had not fully

yielded to the tempter’s sway, Christ came to shed upon the people

the light of heaven. Here two rival powers claimed supremacy. Jesus

was stretching out His arms of love, inviting all who would to find

pardon and peace in Him. The hosts of darkness saw that they did

not possess unlimited control, and they understood that if Christ’s

mission should be successful, their rule was soon to end. Satan raged

like a chained lion and defiantly exhibited his power over the bodies

as well as the souls of men.

The fact that men have been possessed with demons, is clearly

stated in the New Testament. The persons thus afflicted were not

merely suffering with disease from natural causes. Christ had perfect

understanding of that with which He was dealing, and He recognized

the direct presence and agency of evil spirits.


2d2de5  No.3262699

A striking example of their number, power, and malignity, and

also of the power and mercy of Christ, is given in the Scripture

account of the healing of the demoniacs at Gadara. Those wretched

maniacs, spurning all restraint, writhing, foaming, raging, were

filling the air with their cries, doing violence to themselves, and

endangering all who should approach them. Their bleeding and

disfigured bodies and distracted minds presented a spectacle well

pleasing to the prince of darkness. One of the demons controlling

the sufferers declared: “My name is Legion: for we are many.” Mark

5:9. In the Roman army a legion consisted of from three to five

thousand men. Satan’s hosts also are marshaled in companies, and

the single company to which these demons belonged numbered no

less than a legion.

At the command of Jesus the evil spirits departed from their

victims, leaving them calmly sitting at the Saviour’s feet, subdued,

intelligent, and gentle. But the demons were permitted to sweep a

herd of swine into the sea; and to the dwellers of Gadara the loss

of these outweighed the blessings which Christ had bestowed, and

the divine Healer was entreated to depart. This was the result which

Satan designed to secure. By casting the blame of their loss upon

Jesus, he aroused the selfish fears of the people and prevented them

from listening to His words. Satan is constantly accusing Christians

as the cause of loss, misfortune, and suffering, instead of allowing

the reproach to fall where it belongs—upon himself and his agents.

But the purposes of Christ were not thwarted. He allowed the

evil spirits to destroy the herd of swine as a rebuke to those Jews who

were raising these unclean beasts for the sake of gain. Had not Christ

restrained the demons, they would have plunged into the sea, not

only the swine, but also their keepers and owners. The preservation

of both the keepers and the owners was due alone to His power,

mercifully exercised for their deliverance. Furthermore, this event

was permitted to take place that the disciples might witness the cruel

power of Satan upon both man and beast. The Saviour desired His

followers to have a knowledge of the foe whom they were to meet,

that they might not be deceived and overcome by his devices. It was

also His will that the people of that region should behold His power

to break the bondage of Satan and release his captives. And though

Jesus Himself departed, the men so marvelously delivered, remained

to declare the mercy of their Benefactor.

Other instances of a similar nature are recorded in the Scriptures.

The daughter of the Syrophoenician woman was grievously vexed

with a devil, whom Jesus cast out by His word. (Mark 7:26-30).

“One possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb” (Matthew 12:22); a

youth who had a dumb spirit, that ofttimes “cast him into the fire,

and into the waters, to destroy him” (Mark 9:17-27); the maniac

who, tormented by “a spirit of an unclean devil” (Luke 4:33-36),

disturbed the Sabbath quiet of the synagogue at Capernaum—all

were healed by the compassionate Saviour. In nearly every instance,

Christ addressed the demon as an intelligent entity, commanding

him to come out of his victim and to torment him no more. The

worshipers at Capernaum, beholding His mighty power, “were all

amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this!

for with authority and power He commandeth the unclean spirits,

and they come out.” Luke 4:36.


2d2de5  No.3262703

Those possessed with devils are usually represented as being in

a condition of great suffering; yet there were exceptions to this rule.

For the sake of obtaining supernatural power, some welcomed the

satanic influence. These of course had no conflict with the demons.

Of this class were those who possessed the spirit of divination,—

Simon Magus, Elymas the sorcerer, and the damsel who followed

Paul and Silas at Philippi.

None are in greater danger from the influence of evil spirits

than those who, notwithstanding the direct and ample testimony of

the Scriptures, deny the existence and agency of the devil and his

angels. So long as we are ignorant of their wiles, they have almost

inconceivable advantage; many give heed to their suggestions while

they suppose themselves to be following the dictates of their own

wisdom. This is why, as we approach the close of time, when Satan

is to work with greatest power to deceive and destroy, he spreads

everywhere the belief that he does not exist. It is his policy to conceal

himself and his manner of working.

There is nothing that the great deceiver fears so much as that we

shall become acquainted with his devices. The better to disguise his

real character and purposes, he has caused himself to be so represented

as to excite no stronger emotion than ridicule or contempt.

He is well pleased to be painted as a ludicrous or loathsome object,

misshapen, half animal and half human. He is pleased to hear his

name used in sport and mockery by those who think themselves

intelligent and well informed.

It is because he has masked himself with consummate skill that [517]

the question is so widely asked: “Does such a being really exist?”

It is an evidence of his success that theories giving the lie to the

plainest testimony of the Scriptures are so generally received in the

religious world. And it is because Satan can most readily control the

minds of those who are unconscious of his influence, that the word

of God gives us so many examples of his malignant work, unveiling

before us his secret forces, and thus placing us on our guard against

his assaults.

The power and malice of Satan and his host might justly alarm us

were it not that we may find shelter and deliverance in the superior

power of our Redeemer. We carefully secure our houses with bolts

and locks to protect our property and our lives from evil men; but we

seldom think of the evil angels who are constantly seeking access

to us, and against whose attacks we have, in our own strength, no

method of defense. If permitted, they can distract our minds, disorder

and torment our bodies, destroy our possessions and our lives. Their

only delight is in misery and destruction. Fearful is the condition of

those who resist the divine claims and yield to Satan’s temptations,

until God gives them up to the control of evil spirits. But those who

follow Christ are ever safe under His watchcare. Angels that excel

in strength are sent from heaven to protect them. The wicked one

cannot break through the guard which God has stationed about His

people.


246d4d  No.3262738

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246d4d  No.3262743

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8eebc4  No.3263002

>>3262313

There is zero specific scriptural evidence showing Satan/devils saved.

If there was specific evidence and not direct evidence to the contrary, I'd consider it. And have considered some scriptures as marginal evidence, but those unable to offset specific contrary statements.

Theodicy is probably the most difficult area to grasp and reconcile, because "the adversary" is both real and involved in trying to come to grips with it.

In the end there are many powers/agencies/entities that have an end, a finality. Our own flesh being in this status. And assuredly evil, sin, death, the devil and his messengers. All have an end and are put away, eternally.

If we really wanted to get serious about scriptures, Eternal God is all there ever was, is and ever will be.

Where does that leave "everything" else?

1 Corinthians 15:

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,

that God may be all in all.

Don't really see anyone else in that picture. Probably doesn't need to be.


c76cdf  No.3263218

Has Q said if any of the anti-god actions will be reversed…10 commandments being stripped from public buildings/schools, prayer at football games, etc?


7970c1  No.3265931

>>3263002

>1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,

The definition of all is exactly that buddy. ALL things.

It's not hard to understand. PERFECT LOVE requires, no, DEMANDS, that everyone be saved. Even the most foul aspects of creation.

This is the utmost example of love and forgiveness we will receive.


be22c2  No.3266808

>>3262743

Important lesson there indeed.


8eebc4  No.3270427

>>3265931

As noted prior, many things will not be going forward, by specific statements of scripture.

Perfect Love has zero requirements to eternally save death, hell, evil, sin or the devil and his messengers. If you try to include any of these the claims fail by specific scriptural denials.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be NO MORE death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for THE FORMER THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY."

All things "SAVED" you claim? Scripture says nay. Ain't happenin. Just like your false imagination WILL PASS AWAY.


2f737b  No.3271025

>>3262313

That is NOT the message of Christ. That is the message of a religious dogma. You are espousing a dogma not the bible.

Jesus said many times beware the one who can kill your soul (him) in judgment. The gates are narrow. The soul that sins shall die. And on and on.

Jesus' message was to repent to enter the kingdom of heaven not to become a cheerleader.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3271097

Okay……tonight I apologize to the BO and Q for my rant Friday. I guess I was a little verklempft after the week. Now that I have thought it out…

1. The actor last week that should get the oscar was not the vally girl Ford. It is Kavanaugh. He delivered an oscar winning performance. He was the one who showed true emotion and captured our hearts - not what her name.

2. This FBI "action item" had to be a plant. Who suggested it again? This is exactly what they DO NOT NEED to happen. They were baited and walked right into the trap.

3. What is the FBI going to find out? Feinstein? Waters? Corruption? Is this the way it all gets started? The catalyst to expose these people while everyone is watching the show?

Bravo Q. My apologies for doubting.


3ffd79  No.3275207

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>>3006526

All I know is that I exist, there is a God, and Jesus is God's messenger. Other than that I'm open to ideas.

Some Gnostic's and followers of Plato et al believe that there is a Supreme Transcendent God. This God assigned a lesser God, the "Demiurge" to create our universe, Earth, and us. This Demiurge is the God of the Old Testament. The Demiurge made several mistakes along the way. 1) He made the universe too hastily 2) he gave Lucifer too much power 3) he claimed he was God 4) he tried to cover up his mistakes.

Because of the Demiurge's mistakes, the Supreme God sent Jesus to set things right. This explains several contradictory statements made by Jesus. He denies being the messiah when asked outright, yet claims he was sent by his "Father." When his apostles make the claim he is the messiah he doesn't deny it. That is because he is the messiah, just not the one promised by the Demiurge. Jesus was sent here to set up the rescue plan by the Supreme God to defeat Lucifer. While the Demiurge is a benevolent being and is still in charge of this world. He does intend the best for us. But because of his mistakes he is stuck here to execute Jesus' plan to fix the world.


70fcec  No.3275299

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>>2969698

https://youtu.be/1eBL-vDkdTg

Understanding God's Celestial Clock

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GJwTT4LjOD3_4cbHWP0r6VPmGk2WOH2l/view

Running for the price

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HDO2g1T-Ru139-FLJ1SPRKghlTypUJTZ/view

The Heavens declared 2017-2018

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o2dNrTKlWdfO9UYJQ6roOP_o3GvZd9So/view

Timeline

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4lMw4yuCqaBb052QWx5TDVEbVE/view


70fcec  No.3275714

i think ive found a really interesting verse

in my opinion he refers to the old ancient time and then he REMEMBERS HIS SONG HE PLAYED IN THAT ANCIENT TIME

Another LIFE?

Psalm 77 King James Version (KJV)

I have considered the days of old, the years of ancient times.

6 I call to remembrance my song in the night: I commune with mine own heart: and my spirit made diligent search.

7 Will the Lord cast off for ever? and will he be favourable no more?


c9444e  No.3275920

>>3275207

>>3275207

Mannn Q said there are aliens… Coolest day ever.


86c222  No.3276750

Since there has been some discussion of the unpardonable sin I share the following passage which clearly and Biblically covers the subject in modern easy to understand language. This passage comes from the book " The Desire of Ages". It is my prayer that it will bless all who read it and enable them to bless and help others.

Chapter 33—Who Are My Brethren?

This chapter is based on Matthew 12:22-50; Mark 3:20-35.

The sons of Joseph were far from being in sympathy with Jesus

in His work. The reports that reached them in regard to His life

and labors filled them with astonishment and dismay. They heard

that He devoted entire nights to prayer, that through the day He was

thronged by great companies of people, and did not give Himself

time so much as to eat. His friends felt that He was wearing Himself

out by His incessant labor; they were unable to account for His

attitude toward the Pharisees, and there were some who feared that

His reason was becoming unsettled.

His brothers heard of this, and also of the charge brought by the

Pharisees that He cast out devils through the power of Satan. They

felt keenly the reproach that came upon them through their relation

to Jesus. They knew what a tumult His words and works created,

and were not only alarmed at His bold statements, but indignant at

His denunciation of the scribes and Pharisees. They decided that

He must be persuaded or constrained to cease this manner of labor,

and they induced Mary to unite with them, thinking that through His

love for her they might prevail upon Him to be more prudent.

It was just before this that Jesus had a second time performed

the miracle of healing a man possessed, blind and dumb, and the

Pharisees had reiterated the charge, “He casteth out devils through

the prince of the devils.” Matthew 9:34. Christ told them plainly

that in attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan, they were [322]

cutting themselves off from the fountain of blessing. Those who had

spoken against Jesus Himself, not discerning His divine character,

might receive forgiveness; for through the Holy Spirit they might be

brought to see their error and repent. Whatever the sin, if the soul

repents and believes, the guilt is washed away in the blood of Christ;

but he who rejects the work of the Holy Spirit is placing himself

where repentance and faith cannot come to him. It is by the Spirit

that God works upon the heart; when men willfully reject the Spirit,

and declare It to be from Satan, they cut off the channel by which

God can communicate with them. When the Spirit is finally rejected,

there is no more that God can do for the soul.

The Pharisees to whom Jesus spoke this warning did not themselves

believe the charge they brought against Him. There was not

one of those dignitaries but had felt drawn toward the Saviour. They

had heard the Spirit’s voice in their own hearts declaring Him to

be the Anointed of Israel, and urging them to confess themselves

His disciples. In the light of His presence they had realized their

unholiness, and had longed for a righteousness which they could not

create. But after their rejection of Him it would be too humiliating

to receive Him as the Messiah. Having set their feet in the path of

unbelief, they were too proud to confess their error. And in order to

avoid acknowledging the truth, they tried with desperate violence

to dispute the Saviour’s teaching. The evidence of His power and

mercy exasperated them. They could not prevent the Saviour from

working miracles, they could not silence His teaching; but they did

everything in their power to misrepresent Him and to falsify His

words. Still the convicting Spirit of God followed them, and they

had to build up many barriers in order to withstand its power. The

mightiest agency that can be brought to bear upon the human heart

was striving with them, but they would not yield.

It is not God that blinds the eyes of men or hardens their hearts.

He sends them light to correct their errors, and to lead them in safe

paths; it is by the rejection of this light that the eyes are blinded

and the heart hardened. Often the process is gradual, and almost

imperceptible. Light comes to the soul through God’s word, through

His servants, or by the direct agency of His Spirit; but when one

ray of light is disregarded, there is a partial benumbing of the spiritual

perceptions, and the second revealing of light is less clearly

discerned. So the darkness increases, until it is night in the soul.

Thus it had been with these Jewish leaders. They were convinced

that a divine power attended Christ, but in order to resist the truth,

they attributed the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan. In doing this

they deliberately chose deception; they yielded themselves to Satan,

and henceforth they were controlled by his power.


86c222  No.3276757

Closely connected with Christ’s warning in regard to the sin

against the Holy Spirit is a warning against idle and evil words.

The words are an indication of that which is in the heart. “Out of

the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” But the words are

more than an indication of character; they have power to react on

the character. Men are influenced by their own words. Often under

a momentary impulse, prompted by Satan, they give utterance to

jealousy or evil surmising, expressing that which they do not really

believe; but the expression reacts on the thoughts. They are deceived

by their words, and come to believe that true which was spoken at

Satan’s instigation. Having once expressed an opinion or decision,

they are often too proud to retract it, and try to prove themselves in

the right, until they come to believe that they are. It is dangerous

to utter a word of doubt, dangerous to question and criticize divine

light. The habit of careless and irreverent criticism reacts upon

the character, in fostering irreverence and unbelief. Many a man

indulging this habit has gone on unconscious of danger, until he

was ready to criticize and reject the work of the Holy Spirit. Jesus

said, “Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account

thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be

justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.”

Then He added a warning to those who had been impressed by

His words, who had heard Him gladly, but who had not surrendered

themselves for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. It is not only by

resistance but by neglect that the soul is destroyed. “When the

unclean spirit is gone out of a man,” said Jesus, “he walketh through

dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. Then he saith, I will

return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come,

he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh

with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they

enter in and dwell there.”

There were many in Christ’s day, as there are today, over whom

the control of Satan for the time seemed broken; through the grace

of God they were set free from the evil spirits that had held dominion

over the soul. They rejoiced in the love of God; but, like the stony-

ground hearers of the parable, they did not abide in His love. They

did not surrender themselves to God daily, that Christ might dwell

in the heart; and when the evil spirit returned, with “seven other

spirits more wicked than himself,” they were wholly dominated by

the power of evil.

When the soul surrenders itself to Christ, a new power takes

possession of the new heart. A change is wrought which man can

never accomplish for himself. It is a supernatural work, bringing a

supernatural element into human nature. The soul that is yielded to

Christ becomes His own fortress, which He holds in a revolted world,

and He intends that no authority shall be known in it but His own. A

soul thus kept in possession by the heavenly agencies is impregnable

to the assaults of Satan. But unless we do yield ourselves to the

control of Christ, we shall be dominated by the wicked one. We

must inevitably be under the control of the one or the other of the

two great powers that are contending for the supremacy of the world.

It is not necessary for us deliberately to choose the service of the

kingdom of darkness in order to come under its dominion. We

have only to neglect to ally ourselves with the kingdom of light. If

we do not co-operate with the heavenly agencies, Satan will take

possession of the heart, and will make it his abiding place. The only

defense against evil is the indwelling of Christ in the heart through

faith in His righteousness. Unless we become vitally connected

with God, we can never resist the unhallowed effects of self-love,

self-indulgence, and temptation to sin. We may leave off many bad

habits, for the time we may part company with Satan; but without

a vital connection with God, through the surrender of ourselves to

Him moment by moment, we shall be overcome. Without a personal

acquaintance with Christ, and a continual communion, we are at the

mercy of the enemy, and shall do his bidding in the end.

“The last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so,” said

Jesus, “shall it be also unto this wicked generation.” There are none

so hardened as those who have slighted the invitation of mercy, and

done despite to the Spirit of grace. The most common manifestation

of the sin against the Holy Spirit is in persistently slighting Heaven’s

invitation to repent. Every step in the rejection of Christ is a step

toward the rejection of salvation, and toward the sin against the Holy

Spirit.


86c222  No.3276769

In rejecting Christ the Jewish people committed the unpardonable

sin; and by refusing the invitation of mercy, we may commit

the same error. We offer insult to the Prince of life, and put Him

to shame before the synagogue of Satan and before the heavenly

universe when we refuse to listen to His delegated messengers, and

instead listen to the agents of Satan, who would draw the soul away

from Christ. So long as one does this, he can find no hope or pardon,

and he will finally lose all desire to be reconciled to God.

While Jesus was still teaching the people, His disciples brought

the message that His mother and His brothers were without, and

desired to see Him. He knew what was in their hearts, and “He

answered and said unto him that told Him, Who is My mother? and

who are My brethren? And He stretched forth His hand toward

His disciples, and said, Behold My mother and My brethren! For

whosoever shall do the will of My Father which is in heaven, the

same is My brother, and sister, and mother.”

All who would receive Christ by faith were united to Him by

a tie closer than that of human kinship. They would become one

with Him, as He was one with the Father. As a believer and doer of

His words, His mother was more nearly and savingly related to Him

than through her natural relationship. His brothers would receive no

benefit from their connection with Him unless they accepted Him as

their personal Saviour.

What a support Christ would have found in His earthly relatives

if they had believed in Him as one from heaven, and had co-operated

with Him in doing the work of God! Their unbelief cast a shadow

over the earthly life of Jesus. It was a part of the bitterness of that

cup of woe which He drained for us.

The enmity kindled in the human heart against the gospel was

keenly felt by the Son of God, and it was most painful to Him in

His home; for His own heart was full of kindness and love, and He

appreciated tender regard in the family relation. His brothers desired

that He should concede to their ideas, when such a course would have

been utterly out of harmony with His divine mission. They looked

upon Him as in need of their counsel. They judged Him from their

human point of view, and thought that if He would speak only such

things as would be acceptable to the scribes and Pharisees, He would

avoid the disagreeable controversy that His words aroused. They

thought that He was beside Himself in claiming divine authority,

and in placing Himself before the rabbis as a reprover of their sins.

They knew that the Pharisees were seeking occasion to accuse Him,

and they felt that He had given them sufficient occasion.

With their short measuring line they could not fathom the mission

which He came to fulfill, and therefore could not sympathize with

Him in His trials. Their coarse, unappreciative words showed that

they had no true perception of His character, and did not discern

that the divine blended with the human. They often saw Him full

of grief; but instead of comforting Him, their spirit and words only

wounded His heart. His sensitive nature was tortured, His motives

were misunderstood, His work was uncomprehended.

His brothers often brought forward the philosophy of the Pharisees,

which was threadbare and hoary with age, and presumed to

think that they could teach Him who understood all truth, and comprehended all mysteries. They freely condemned that which they

could not understand. Their reproaches probed Him to the quick,

and His soul was wearied and distressed. They avowed faith in God,

and thought they were vindicating God, when God was with them

in the flesh, and they knew Him not.

These things made His path a thorny one to travel. So pained

was Christ by the misapprehension in His own home that it was a

relief to Him to go where it did not exist. There was one home that

He loved to visit,—the home of Lazarus, and Mary, and Martha; for

in the atmosphere of faith and love His spirit had rest. Yet there were

none on earth who could comprehend His divine mission, or know

the burden which He bore in behalf of humanity. Often He could

find relief only in being alone, and communing with His heavenly

Father.

Those who are called to suffer for Christ’s sake, who have to

endure misapprehension and distrust, even in their own home, may

find comfort in the thought that Jesus has endured the same. He is

moved with compassion for them. He bids them find companionship

in Him, and relief where He found it, in communion with the Father.


86c222  No.3276789

Those who accept Christ as their personal Saviour are not left

as orphans, to bear the trials of life alone. He receives them as

members of the heavenly family; He bids them call His Father their

Father. They are His “little ones,” dear to the heart of God, bound

to Him by the most tender and abiding ties. He has toward them an

exceeding tenderness, as far surpassing what our father or mother

has felt toward us in our helplessness as the divine is above the

human.

Of Christ’s relation to His people, there is a beautiful illustration

in the laws given to Israel. When through poverty a Hebrew had

been forced to part with his patrimony, and to sell himself as a

bondservant, the duty of redeeming him and his inheritance fell to

the one who was nearest of kin. See Leviticus 25:25, 47-49; Ruth

2:20. So the work of redeeming us and our inheritance, lost through

sin, fell upon Him who is “near of kin” unto us. It was to redeem

us that He became our kinsman. Closer than father, mother, brother,

friend, or lover is the Lord our Saviour. “Fear not,” He says, “for I

have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art Mine.”

“Since thou wast precious in My sight, thou hast been honorable,

and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people

for thy life.” Isaiah 43:1, 4.

Christ loves the heavenly beings that surround His throne; but

what shall account for the great love wherewith He has loved us?

We cannot understand it, but we can know it true in our own experience.

And if we do hold the relation of kinship to Him, with what

tenderness should we regard those who are brethren and sisters of

our Lord! Should we not be quick to recognize the claims of our

divine relationship? Adopted into the family of God, should we not

honor our Father and our kindred?


f542e9  No.3282740

I was just over at another thread and saw a graphic of Michael the Archangel with his foot on satan's head. I saw a 3 foot statue of that in a Christian bookstore and loved it.

Today, I was thinking, I don't recall reading that Michael bruises the head of Satan. So I went to Gen 3.

“Because you have done this,

Cursed are you more than all cattle,

And more than every beast of the field;

On your belly you will go,

And dust you will eat

All the days of your life;

15 And I will put enmity

Between you and the woman,

And between your seed and her seed;

He shall bruise you on the head,

And you shall bruise him on the heel.”

Nope. Wasn't Michael. Then as I read it carefully, the one who does is the seed of the WOMAN. Why didn't God say it to Adam AND Eve? Because of the virgin birth and the one would be God's Son and the woman's son?

Just wondering.


7970c1  No.3290722

>>3270427

They are required for free will.

Nice try. Try again.


7970c1  No.3290734

>>3271025

Really, Jesus' message was that he would kill your soul?

Your insanity is showing.


7970c1  No.3290765

>>3275714

It's everywhere anon. It's in the psalms and the entirety of the New Testament. Research the ancient greek of the NT. They literally refer to God as The Self, 'auton.' In some cases even the inner Self.

We have been lied to for MILLENNIA.


8eebc4  No.3292708

>>3290722

Freewill doesn't exist, except for God alone.

Easy self test for no freewill. Romans 7:7-13.

God is not 'in need' of our positive decisions in order to 'eternally reward us' for same in any case.


be22c2  No.3293432

>>3262478

Amen

>>3275920

Welcome to a month ago.


be22c2  No.3293451

>>3292708

>no free will

Wrong. To each according to their deeds.


61c4f8  No.3311279

SOME REAL DIGGING GOING ON IN HERE

I can see why this thread is up on the list of importance and such

You folks literally never left yahoo religion chat, you just carried it over onto this board…

Dedicated Research

ALL SHALL BE REVEALED

even your little biases that would promote a "Preaching and Chat" thread as RESEARCH.


c0e259  No.3312851

>>3216201

You've got it correct.


c0e259  No.3313245

>>3168811

I've noticed something about you, namefag. You really don't respond to the posts that are complete bullshit. You only seek to undermine those that are on the right track - from the perspective of Scripture.

If those saved by Christ are not always saved, then what did His death accomplish? Why were his last words "It is done"?

You sure do want to seem to split hairs over what "Law" means … pharisee, much? Believers in Christ were given, by Christ Himself, a complete summation of the "Law" in one commandment.

Also, you seem to conflate the concepts of Savior and Lord. One can be saved without making Christ their Lord. THIS is where works come in, and it is the point of the Scripture concerning the thief on the cross next to Christ. This thief had never done any works worthy of earning his salvation of his own accord. Within moments of his speaking to Christ, the thief would never have the ability to do any works in furtherance of God's will or Christ's Great Commission. Yet, nevertheless, the thief was SAVED … because Christ himself said so. Do you deny that Christ told the thief he was saved?

It is apparent to me that you are a deceiver - someone who seeks to twist Scripture and mislead those who's "dogma" doesn't fit with your own. What is your background? Surely you won't mind sharing, because you're more than happy to sign all of your false posts.

What are you? Seventh Day Adventist? Jehovah's Witness? Something else?

You appear to be an SDA.

Regardless, you are woefully wrong and spreading false witness. If you're doing this out of your own self-righteous ego and confidence in what you know, stop … you don't know anything. If you're doing it because you intend to mislead believers/seekers, then you have much bigger problems ahead of you. Repent and turn away from your deceit.

If anyone has read what this person has written and has let it influence what they think or believe … reject that. Search Scriptures for yourself. Read Christ's own words and allow the Holy Spirit within you interpret them for you. This namefag "1PS" is an idiot, and nearly everything it has written on this thread is refuted by Scripture itself.

Reject such deceivers.


2f737b  No.3322446

>>3313245

Nowhere in the bible is the concept of once saved always saved. that is Christian heresay dogma. Christ judges ALL by the way and you will be judged by your works not by your faith in Jesus Christ.

I posted the verses for you and the world to see. You can choose to ignore the as you have.

And you call me a Pharisee since I choose to post scripture? You do not understand what a Pharisee follows.

You are trying to make the word of God fit into your perception. You need to let the word of God PROVE a perception and of it does not then you must abandon your conditioning.

And I follow no religion and neither did Jesus.

I have learned from experience when I encounter someone like you that you are either (LISTEN UP FOLKS) a delusional dogmatic Christian that has been told lies for so long you cannot see the truth or…

A Jewish troll trying to sew false seeds and anger when the truth is written to throw people off.

I guess one day I will know. NOW GO BACK and read my posted scriptures 1 more time please.

Jesus died to take over the atonement of sin from the tribe of Levi to the tribe of Judah. That is how he "Takes the sins of the world". Not be erasing sin as you do them.

And lastly, I wish you people never used the word sin or Law since you have NO CLUE WHAT SIN IS and you never would know if you are sinning or not.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3322492

>>3290734

Yes Jesus will kill your soul in the resurrection if you are not corrigible. that BIBLE is clear…

Eze 18:4  Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. 

Eze 18:23  Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 

Mat_10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. 

Many many more.


00dbe7  No.3324180

>>3322446

I always find it ridiculous when I quote God's words from the Bible and people call me a "legalist", like that is a bad thing. God is a Legalist. He is the Head Legalist. HE wrote the LAW.


fa8f3e  No.3326110

Hey Biblefags, you're so focused on what you already know…

I think we need a new thread here…

>>3069686

regroup >>3166229 >>1940204 & >>2969698

We have here some huge revelation.

The book is for free, written by someone… you just couldn't believe it at first…

BUT… There are some astounding revelation about astrophysics that seem freaking accurate. The implications are just … infinite.

Astrofags ON DECK?

Question why electromagnetism has mostly been let aside by science?

Keystone to all…

The book contains lots of revelations concerning the scriptures. Some won't like it for sure, like the city on the 7 hills…


c0e259  No.3327084

>>3322446

"I follow no religion."

That's not what was asked. What was asked was "what is your background"?

In other words, where did you begin to amass all of your superior knowledge and insight? Are you claiming that you are self-taught? Or did you put it together based upon YT vids?

"neither did Jesus."

Jesus was Jewish - in ethnicity and in observance. Did He flaunt the strict legalistic practices of the pharisees? Yes. Did He speak and teach in temples, read from the Torah, and observe OT feasts and holy days? Yes.

If you claim that He was not of Jewish faith, then why did He become enraged at the merchants and money changes in THE Temple - which He referred to as His Father's house?

"you call me a Pharisee since I choose to post scripture?"

No … don't feign ignorance, deceiver. I called you a pharisee because you insist on adherence to the Law - playing linguistic games with verbal versus written - for one's salvation. You suggest that Christ's sacrifice isn't sufficient to cover ALL of a person's sins - past, present and future. You suggest that you can somehow become sinless by adherence to the Law.

You try to dismiss anything you can't reply to substantively as "Christian dogma."

What is your "dogma"? Do you deceive yourself into thinking that you're absolutely right? Read the parable of the pharisee and the publican. Which are you?

You are a deceiver.

Anyone who does not ignore you or rebuke you will be mislead.


8eebc4  No.3327225

>>3293451

Wrong. To each according to their deeds.[/quote]

Romans 2:

9 Tribulation and anguish, UPON EVERY SOUL OF MAN THAT DOETH EVIL, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Romans 7:

19 For the good that I would I do not: but THE EVIL which I would not, THAT I DO.

Reconcile

Any halfwit should be able to come to an honest conclusion that all of us are internally constructed by both GOOD and EVIL. If same halfwit thinks they are only good internally, they are only deceived internally.

Apply all the freewill you want. Evil will remain as a fact of the internal construct of man, regardless. And no freewill can change or remove that internal fact.

Simple lesson in honesty.


7b0587  No.3336673

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Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do, and with His parting breath He exclaimed, “It is finished.” John 19:30. The battle had been won. His right hand and His holy arm had gotten Him the victory. As a Conqueror He planted His banner on the eternal heights. Was there not joy among the angels? All heaven triumphed in the Saviour's victory. Satan was defeated, and knew that his kingdom was lost. To the angels and the unfallen worlds the cry, “It is finished,” had a deep significance. It was for them as well as for us that the great work of redemption had been accomplished. They with us share the fruits of Christ's victory. Not until the death of Christ was the character of Satan clearly revealed to the angels or to the unfallen worlds. The archapostate had so clothed himself with deception that even holy beings had not understood his principles. They had not clearly seen the nature of his rebellion. It was a being of wonderful power and glory that had set himself against God. Of Lucifer the Lord says, “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.” Ezekiel 28:12. Lucifer had been the covering cherub. He had stood in the light of God's presence. He had been the highest of all created beings, and had been foremost in revealing God's purposes to the universe. After he had sinned, his power to deceive was the more deceptive, and the unveiling of his character was the more difficult, because of the exalted position he had held with the Father. God could have destroyed Satan and his sympathizers as easily as one can cast a pebble to the earth; but He did not do this. Rebellion was not to be overcome by force. Compelling power is found only under Satan's government. The Lord's principles are not of this order. His authority rests upon goodness, mercy, and love; and the presentation of these principles is the means to be used. God's government is moral, and truth and love are to be the prevailing power. It was God's purpose to place things on an eternal basis of security, and in the councils of heaven it was decided that time must be given for Satan to develop the principles which were the foundation of his system of government. He had claimed that these were superior to God's principles. Time was given for the working of Satan's principles, that they might be seen by the heavenly universe. Satan led men into sin, and the plan of redemption was put in operation. For four thousand years, Christ was working for man's uplifting, and Satan for his ruin and degradation. And the heavenly universe beheld it all.


7b0587  No.3336724

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>>3336673

When Jesus came into the world, Satan's power was turned against Him. From the time when He appeared as a babe in Bethlehem, the usurper worked to bring about His destruction. In every possible way he sought to prevent Jesus from developing a perfect childhood, a faultless manhood, a holy ministry, and an unblemished sacrifice. But he was defeated. He could not lead Jesus into sin. He could not discourage Him, or drive Him from a work He had come on earth to do. From the desert to Calvary, the storm of Satan's wrath beat upon Him, but the more mercilessly it fell, the more firmly did the Son of God cling to the hand of His Father, and press on in the bloodstained path. All the efforts of Satan to oppress and overcome Him only brought out in a purer light His spotless character.

All heaven and the unfallen worlds had been witnesses to the controversy. With what intense interest did they follow the closing scenes of the conflict. They beheld the Saviour enter the garden of Gethsemane, His soul bowed down with the horror of a great darkness. They heard His bitter cry, “Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me.” Matthew 26:39. As the Father's presence was withdrawn, they saw Him sorrowful with a bitterness of sorrow exceeding that of the last great struggle with death. The bloody sweat was forced from His pores, and fell in drops upon the ground. Thrice the prayer for deliverance was wrung from His lips. Heaven could no longer endure the sight, and a messenger of comfort was sent to the Son of God.

Heaven beheld the Victim betrayed into the hands of the murderous mob, and with mockery and violence hurried from one tribunal to another. It heard the sneers of His persecutors because of His lowly birth. It heard the denial with cursing and swearing by one of His best-loved disciples. It saw the frenzied work of Satan, and his power over the hearts of men. Oh, fearful scene! the Saviour seized at midnight in Gethsemane, dragged to and fro from palace to judgment hall, arraigned twice before the priests, twice before the Sanhedrin, twice before Pilate, and once before Herod, mocked, scourged, condemned, and led out to be crucified, bearing the heavy burden of the cross, amid the wailing of the daughters of Jerusalem and the jeering of the rabble.


7b0587  No.3336747

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>>3336724

Heaven viewed with grief and amazement Christ hanging upon the cross, blood flowing from His wounded temples, and sweat tinged with blood standing upon His brow. From His hands and feet the blood fell, drop by drop, upon the rock drilled for the foot of the cross. The wounds made by the nails gaped as the weight of His body dragged upon His hands. His labored breath grew quick and deep, as His soul panted under the burden of the sins of the world. All heaven was filled with wonder when the prayer of Christ was offered in the midst of His terrible suffering,—“Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” Luke 23:34. Yet there stood men, formed in the image of God, joining to crush out the life of His only-begotten Son. What a sight for the heavenly universe!

The principalities and powers of darkness were assembled around the cross, casting the hellish shadow of unbelief into the hearts of men. When the Lord created these beings to stand before His throne, they were beautiful and glorious. Their loveliness and holiness were in accordance with their exalted station. They were enriched with the wisdom of God, and girded with the panoply of heaven. They were Jehovah's ministers. But who could recognize in the fallen angels the glorious seraphim that once ministered in the heavenly courts?

Satanic agencies confederated with evil men in leading the people to believe Christ the chief of sinners, and to make Him the object of detestation. Those who mocked Christ as He hung upon the cross were imbued with the spirit of the first great rebel. He filled them with vile and loathsome speeches. He inspired their taunts. But by all this he gained nothing.

Could one sin have been found in Christ, had He in one particular yielded to Satan to escape the terrible torture, the enemy of God and man would have triumphed. Christ bowed His head and died, but He held fast His faith and His submission to God. “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” Revelation 12:10.

Satan saw that his disguise was torn away. His administration was laid open before the unfallen angels and before the heavenly universe. He had revealed himself as a murderer. By shedding the blood of the Son of God, he had uprooted himself from the sympathies of the heavenly beings. Henceforth his work was restricted. Whatever attitude he might assume, he could no longer await the angels as they came from the heavenly courts, and before them accuse Christ's brethren of being clothed with the garments of blackness and the defilement of sin. The last link of sympathy between Satan and the heavenly world was broken.

Yet Satan was not then destroyed. The angels did not even then understand all that was involved in the great controversy. The principles at stake were to be more fully revealed. And for the sake of man, Satan's existence must be continued. Man as well as angels must see the contrast between the Prince of light and the prince of darkness. He must choose whom he will serve.


d61d9c  No.3348639

>>3276750

>>3276757

>>3276769

>>3276789

thank You so much Anon

for spreading wise words

seriously, God bless You


2f737b  No.3351566

>>3327225

Can I hear your definition of evil please?

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3351746

>>3327225

Can I hear your definition of evil please?

- 1PS>>3327084

My background is irrelevant. The scriptures speak for themselves. I am sorry you have a need to put me in a box.

Jesus was on Judah. You do not understand the MANY definitions of the word Jew.

Again, listen up, Torah is LAW not legalism. Legalism is religion. Jesus read the Torah to them in their own synagogues thus pointing out their own system was incorrect and based on customs of men. And why do accept the term "synagogue" as credible anyway? Did the Levite priests have synagogues? Do I need a synagogue right now to teach you? Synagogues are used to promote Phariseeical tradition - just like a Christian church.

Holy Feats ARE OF GOD. Listen up - the Jews changed the Feasts: Passover is now a Seder, Fesat of Trumpets is now Rosh Hoshannah, Day of Atonement is now You Kippur. When these are changed the meanings and reasons for them are mooted.

Again he was of the tribe of Judah wish is 1 definition of a Jew.

Should I post Jesus words again? I guess I need to…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

Jesus sacrifice took away the PENALTY of sin, but not sin. Sin is rampant. But to go sacrifice and animal for your sins is not needed now. That is what changed. If sin was abolished then you would not be a sinner and thus there is no need for Jesus to be your high priest. The Christian mindset that says Jesus loves sinners, or there is no sin in Jesus, or all my sins are blotted out by Jesus, are the epitome of ignorance and you make the devil happy.

Christianity, Judaism, and other "isms" are man-made dogmas. God gave us LAW. You people atalka bout law and sin and have never studied EITHER OF THEM. yet you want to hear yourself talk because you have a public soapbox?

Don't tell me I am the deceiver. You folks have not studied the bible yet you may be an expert in your religions. I will pray for you on judgment day and don't tell me you are already judged (Jesus Christ - no pun intended).


2f737b  No.3351787

>>3351566

(Excuse the typos, but you can figure out what I meant)

- 1PS


0750b4  No.3352036

That is incorrect. Paul never met Jesus. He wrote his stuff much later.

>>3059494

>>3059551


8eebc4  No.3357304

>>3351746

See Paul's definition in Romans 7, primarily in vs. 7-13, defined as lawless or against law thoughts.

Paul takes this cue from Jesus, where Jesus also defined "evil thoughts" as thoughts against the LAW that defile us. They are not "optional."

Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23 and Matt. 5:28

Habakkuk (2:9) defines evil as a "power."


d8ebe2  No.3357771

Do any of you pay attention to the things said by Johnathan Cahn or Mark Taylor regarding the Trump presidency. I guess I could also ask about Kim Clement. Do you think any of them are "prophetic" ?


be22c2  No.3363118

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Even the fbi uses the term new Babylon. Mystery Babylon exists and it is basically the Jews.

These fbianon and dhsanon Q & A’s have proven to be very accurate. They’re in line with everything Q says.


be22c2  No.3363217


81b55c  No.3377218

Anyone else having more strange experiences than usual?

More spiritual or revelatory (is that a word?) experiences?


81b55c  No.3377286

I don’t know if I should have used this thread for my inquiry. Though it’s a Christian based one, this thread is the perfect example, in my humble opinion, of what has gone wrong with the Christian community in America at large.

Tense arguing about human interpretation of God and His word, instead of convening together as one in His name.

Cause if followers of Jesus had done that, I don’t think we’d be in this situation.


c70a8e  No.3377317

I know the odds are really slim but I hope Q reads this and pull's whatever strings they got to get info on the Vatican. I hope that one of these days Q drop something about the cover up of not only the pedo clergy but the notable change in doctrine from the pre1960s to present. The release of the other part of the 3rd Fatima secret, that red binder of dirt on the guilty clergy Pope Emeritus gathered after an investigation and his resignation any of that would be fantastic. We didn't forget Podesta tried to help usurp the Church from the WikiLeaks and how they felt about Catholics. We want the Vatican swamp Drained and the Church restored very badly.


8eebc4  No.3379457

>>3377286

It has been this way from the beginning and automatically comes with the territory. I'm only surprised when people think it should be otherwise.

John 7:43

So there was a division among the people because of him.

Totally NORMAL.

Gods Word is the original disruptive (theo)technology.

Anyone ever question why there are so many sects and divisions in christianity? Good grief the numbers are staggering. In part it's because, truthfully, we each have our own temple to deal with, and rule over.

Gal. 6:3-5

For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.For every man shall bear his own burden.


8eebc4  No.3379557

>>3377317

Why anyone thinks the RCC is worthy of participation yet alone saving is beyond me. It's a sham. A big fat old lying religious game. A haven, stew and coverup system for very certain brands of vile internal corruption that should be put out of societies by not playing and definitely NOT upholding and defending.

Any Christian who participates in lying hypocrisy has fallen into the deepest spiritual pit available in this present life.

The days of claiming to be only good in the name of Jesus, and never evil are OVER.

We have forgotten the REALITY of the Gospel:

Time for our meal of SHAME:

Romans 7:

19 For the good that I would I do not: but THE EVIL which I would not, THAT I DO.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, EVIL IS PRESENT WITH ME.

Today you'll hardly find a believer who can speak TRUTHFULLY, as Paul did openly. We can't even HEAR this reality, and instead, we lie and deceive ourselves, in the name of Jesus, of course.


be22c2  No.3380587

>>3377317

>the church restored

Don’t hold your breathe. The end is nigh. The church will be destroyed, not rebuilt.


be22c2  No.3380599

>>3377286

Most of the arguing comes from division shills and JiDF homos sliding the board away from JQ discussion.


ae064e  No.3381342

>>3058964

The reason for this is because most have forgotten to give back to the Earth and ALL.

Every atom is God .

The living spirit needs to have balance and sadly that is not here right now and has not been for millennia.

How can a living entity carry on giving giving giving ? It needs something back. Most take and use up resources that seem endless without giving proper thanks..and without gratitude and love the spirit of anything , including our Earth and Solar System, is not fed in the way it needs.

Most have been busy dissecting the actual messengers and prophet's for soo very long , the reminders were forgotten, again…

We are ALL part of God.

We made a mistake millennia ago and we have to forgive ourselves and move on. We have to put in to practice what we have been reminded of , by many ,including Jesus.

Love your enemies was said for a reason as LOVE is what diffuses. Love is what restores the balance. Love feeds love and hate feeds hate.

Jesus did remember what he was here to do only a few thousand years ago. Can you see around the world that we listened to him ? I can a little bit but it needs to grow massively and asap as we are on the precipice, again , and quite frankly we don't want to be stuck in this loop anymore !


ae064e  No.3381589

>>3050249

>>3057185

>>3057271

ALL is energy , including our thoughts and feelings.

When we forgive we are,

•Being aware that whomever you are needing to forgive is clearly in a darker place than they should/could be.

•Remembering that we are all at different stages of our journey back home to God.

•Releasing negative feelings, that if not released end up eating away at ourselves.

Forgiveness is not condoning something.

It is not easy at times of course ! We got to forgive ourselves too as we have been down on ourselves for far far too long.

I forgive you all , I remember we are all ONE and I look forward to being back with God with you ALL ♡


ae064e  No.3381666

>>3380587

We are the church so I do hope you are not right!! Look at how churches are built..total reflection of us and our bodies. It is in The Bible too and many great Books. The spaces in our eyeballs beteeen the various layers are exactly the same as the planets. The pineal gland is mentioned as The Land of Pinea in The Bible and so so many other references . We have been beautifully and perfectly created. It is totally awesome!


7970c1  No.3395609

>>3322492

Your stupid faggot translations are destroying your already weak degenerate mind.

There is no hell, there is no destruction of souls. The destruction of a soul is equivalent to killing God. Impossible. The divine is eternal. Go kill yourself if you don't understand, you will on that day.

There is no hell. Jesus said Gehenna, the child sacrificing cult outside Jerusalem. Learn you stupid beast.

Fear not who can kill the body. I will teach you who to fear. Fear the one that after death can cast your body into child sacrificing cults.

Kindly, go fuck yourself.

I should be more gentle and humble.


7970c1  No.3395660

>>3292708

You provide immense entertainment in your inability to logically parse reality.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Jesus spoke Greek, he is a master philosopher. Try and learn the basics.


7970c1  No.3395699

>>3377286

No doubt the only intelligent comment in this entire thread.


78dd92  No.3397451

Isaiah 14:12

Some Hebrew lessons - *Lucifer* is not in the Bible

The following Hebrew is written right to left:

אֵיךְ נָפַלְתָּ מִשָּׁמַיִם, הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר

The first word:

אֵיךְ

ayk - How?

The second word:

נָפַלְתָּ

Nephal-ote - to be captured (tav suffix makes it feminine, 'she captured')

Third word:

מִשָּׁמַיִם

ma-shamayeem - of heaven (mem is a prefix meaning 'of')

Fourth word:

הֵילֵל

Ha-yelel - The wailing, The crying, The mourning

(En:Keening; could also be keen - sharp cutting tool, in which case halal is the islamic practice.)

Fifth word:

בֶּן

Ben - Son; Nation

Sixth word:

שָׁחַר

Shachar - Dawn; Black; Basis or Foundation; To Seek

(Dawn is the moment before light, the darkest of moments.)

It may read like this:

How to capture heaven? Mourns the Son/Nation of Black (darkness).

''A person's nation is his house, like the house of Israel. Israel has a flag which represents their house, their nation.

What nation or people has a Black flag as the emblem of their house?''


78dd92  No.3397713

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>>3154043

Cherubim are not 'baby' angles.

Note the Cherubim of the Ark of the Covenant. Priest-like in their dress.


78dd92  No.3398117

>>3150390

What are 'tares'?


be22c2  No.3399668

>>3327225

Any halfwit can see that the scripture you quoted doesn’t prove your argument in the least bit.

Try harder. It’s called accountable. We will all be held accountable for our individual actions.

Quit being such a faggit. You’re glowing like an argumentfag. Annoying and gay.


be22c2  No.3399705

>>3381666

>it is totally awesome.

Right you are there my fren!


a4ff91  No.3400812

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This was bought for spouseanon in 1986 by his nanaanon- he is oldassfag

we noticed this bit - GARDEN IN EDEN

and just thought - that sounds so much more true.

Garden in Eden means that there was no punishment or remival from Eden, no. The loving source of all and everything was beyond nurturing, the choice to be 100% protected and cared for or the choice of knowledge and the journey of guiding ones own self through good and evil.

If it was IN Eden then we are still IN Eden, we just left the Garden he made so safe for us. The nest.

Eve didn't screw it all up SHE CHOSE FIRST, to be truly free willed.

And god was loving and full knowing, and he was proud to let us all roam and fall or fly, the battle of good and evil began when we all left the nest, we indeed got too snooty and forgot all of the ways knowledge must be true and held in the heart more so than vanity or greed, it is the one path that allows for mistakes and for unwavering love and faith without control. Knowledge is our blessing, evil never forgot this and has attacked and diminished our strengths.

I don't think this is a typo.

I don't think it is an accident that two athiests found god in the past year and a half, not in the go to church way but in the , Source and light and love is all from one unending place of pure energy and peace and it is god, it is all of us and it is love.

I don't think its coincidence that we got mailed this book from M.I.L-anon just as this battle surges.


8eebc4  No.3401518

>>3398117

Matthew 13:38

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but …

…the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The devil reproduces DEVILS, not people.

These TWO PARTIES, man and devil(s) happen to be overlapped in this present life, as clearly and openly evidenced in the Gospels and N.T.

Dire mistake to mix them or make them "the same" because they are NOT the same.

Here we are shown this overlap by Jesus:

Mark 4:

15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, SATAN cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown IN THEIR HEARTS.

Paul shows us the same things for himself in 2 Cor. 12:7. Paul had this fact disclosed to him by Jesus on the road to Damascus in Acts 26:18.

Paul shows us this fact again and again in many citations, particularly overtly in 2 Cor. 4:4 and Eph. 2:2. Covertly in Romans 9:18-24, Romans 11:8 and 2 Tim. 2:20-21.

John shows us the same thing in 1 John 3:8.

Revelation shows us the same things when Jesus addresses the 7 churches. Remember man shall live by every Word of God. Every Word that Jesus says applies to every one of us. The notion that Gods Words are eliminated on the basis of whom they are spoken to or when His Words were spoken is patently FALSE.

Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4

Jesus can speak eternal death and eternal life to what seems to us on the surface flesh view to be only a person, yet BOTH STATEMENTS not only can be but ARE factually TRUE from a scriptural perspective because scripture addresses TWO PARTIES in what we see only as MAN when in reality it is MAN and DEVIL(s).

On this basis we can also both love ALL of mankind and abide in the understanding of eternal damnation judgment SIMULTANEOUSLY to, again, what only seems to the blinded as "one individual person." This notion doesn't exist from the Eyes of God.

Romans 11:

32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

That does NOT mean the spirit(s) of disobedience will have that same extension:

Ephesians 2:

2 Wherein in time past YE WALKED according to the course of this world, ACCORDING TO THE PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR, THE SPIRIT that now worketh in the children OF DISOBEDIENCE.

If anyone thinks it's "just them" they are blinded and remain enslaved.


8eebc4  No.3401578

>>3399668

Thee majority of christians think, quite falsely, that either they aren't sinners OR that God in Christ is a DOUBLE DEALER, letting christians off the hook for their sins while condemning everyone else to burn alive forever.

I'm not interested in such HYPOCRISY because it's OF THE DEVIL.


8eebc4  No.3401608

>>3395660

When you "freewill" yourself into sinlessness let us all know. Good luck.


c3833d  No.3417393

>>3401518

the tares are the children of the wicked one

That is the allegorical explanation. What are 'tares'?


8eebc4  No.3422554

>>3417393

Scriptural allegories are not "stories" without corresponding realities. Wheat corresponds to people who are ALL children of God. Tares correspond to DEVILS who are children of same. Both are real, but conveyed via allegories. Both have many corresponding allegorical terms throughout the scriptures.

The explanation for all of these is found in Mark 4:13, the explanation Jesus gave to understand all parables (inclusive of allegories) and the dissection and disclosure of the parties is found in the very first line of explanations, Mark 4:15.

Additionally, the explanations are only heard by His disciples. Others can read and and hear, but they won't understand. This is done on purpose. The information is there, in plain sight, but because of the REALITY of the matters, it won't be heard AND UNDERSTOOD by any other than His disciples because they are led, BY GOD HIMSELF, to SUBMIT to the reality of what Jesus is saying, personally.


2f737b  No.3424742

>>3401518

Look…..Jesus spoke in metaphors. Tares simply means "weeds" as compared to say "corn" (and not GMO corn either!). In other words you are of God or of Satan producing weeds. It is that simple.

The devil, satan, is NOT producing ANYTHING. Angels do not reproduce.

And you ramble with scriptures that are meaningless. When people ask a simple question give them a simple answer instead of a Christian sermon.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3424829

>>3401578

Correct. Christians talk about sin, repentance, and other words that THEY HAVE NO CLUE what they mean biblically. Sin is just a word. And Jesus does NOT give these people a pass because they call themselves Christians (especially when almost all major Christian religions cannot even agree on who Jesus is by the way).

Sin is defined in the NEW testament explicitly.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is breaking the Mosaic Law - PERIOD. Now how can ANY Christian STOP doing sinful behavior if they NEVER study the Law? We hear preachers every Sunday (not Saturday – the true Sabbath) telling their flock “You are a sinner”. Do they ever tell these people how to not sin? Do they really think Jesus stamps out sins in real-time”. Well, if you study sin you realize this concept is a fairy tale. Sins are things that hurt people, yourself, your animal, your employee, your relationship with God, etc. They are physical problems.

Now if you are of the devil you sin. It you study what God said to do you are of God. Are we all perfect? No, but we must learn and try to get better. That is the message.

This is not a game based on "who imagines Jesus in their minds the hardest". This is about your behavior, your works, and how you behave in life's situations. In other words "WWJD" (what would Jesus do).

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3424900

>>3397451

You are very misleading and picking a very cherry picked answer.

More On Lucifer/Satan

Ruler of this world (age): Jn 12:31; 14:31; 16:11

Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world shall be cast out.

Prince of the power of the air: Eph 2:2

Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience,

The god of this world (age): 2 Cor 4:4

2Co 4:4 in whom the god of this age has blinded the thoughts of the unbelieving, so that the brightness of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God, should not dawn on them.

He promises the world to those who will obey him: Mt 4:8-9

Mat 4:8 Again the Devil takes Him to a very high mountain, and shows to Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

Mat 4:9 And he said to Him. I will give all these things to You if falling down, You will worship me.

He was/is a cherub angel who fell. He wanted to be God's #1 right hand guy and could not accept Jesus as his "boss".

- 1PS


7970c1  No.3425651

>>3401608

It's hard to parse what you even mean. First of all, there is NO SIN. You can miss the mark on the central tenants of reality, and the One will correct you – throughout all your lifetimes. So the only way to become "sinless" is through free will and through the grace of God. You need both.

But you should really think in terms of perfecting yourself, not removing things that don't exist. Or only exist if you take them on.

You've had the entire thing turned upside down on you. Right yourself.


7970c1  No.3425836

Many people seem very confused on the topic of SIN.

Sin comes from Latin – it means WITHOUT.

In the original Greek, spoken by Jesus and the apostles, it is HAMARTANÓ. Which means to "miss the mark."

They mean COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things. One means "not having" and the other means "not accurate."

There is no such thing as the insane delusions that most of you live under. It's why you cannot understand the message of Christ and of God correctly.

You do not go into "eternal punishment" if you "sin."

You go through "lifetimes of corrections" if you "miss the mark."

αἰώνιος = lifetimes

αἰώνιος does NOT EQUAL eternal

κόλασις = correction

κόλασις does NOT EQUAL punishment

You people think like BDSM SADOMASOCHIST freaks sometimes. Remove the perversions from your minds.

Reconcile PERFECT LOVE with ABSOLUTE FORGIVENESS and find the true nature of your THEOS/God.


7970c1  No.3425989

>>3425836

The system of correction that Jesus describes in the New Testament is simple and perfect. What you do to your neighbor is what will be done to you. This is God's perfect form of JUSTICE.

This is KARMA. This is EXACTLY what our eastern and hindu brethren have spoken about for millennia.

(They are wrong about a balance though. There is no such thing. God only permits a 50-50 positive-negative balance as a MINIMUM. But we can easily go 99-1 or 100-0 to the positive side. The side of PERFECT LOVE. The more we get there, the closer we are to our God. This balance shit is one of the greatest Satanic perversions to be cast upon our eastern brethren. You can deduce this logically from the corrective actions of God's Justice or "karma." It only ever CORRECTS actions MISSING THE MARK. It does not punish overly ACCURATE actions, thus no 50-50 balance is possible as you approach the limit of infinity timewise. You are always being moved towards the side or LOVE, ALWAYS. Because the contrarian force necessary to push you back towards this supposed balance, does not exist. Verify this. Think about this. This is deep and will help you drop some of the more extreme delusions we live under.)

We must all perfect ourselves and our souls, throughout our lifetimes, so that we stop missing the mark and are able to come together as one to bring heaven on earth, also known as the kingdom/ruling of God.


7970c1  No.3426314

>>3397451

I like.

"How to topple heaven?" Shriek the sons of blackness.


7970c1  No.3426381

>>3397451

>>3426314

"How to bring down heaven?" Howl the sons of the dawn.

Even more beautiful.


1d8a6b  No.3428998

>>3424829

“He came to reprove the world of sin, because they did not believe.”

That sounds like sin is unbelief.

Or separation. Separation from God. Which is hell to me.

1PS- You Peter Strok Senior?


971c15  No.3429164

>>3381666

Anon, please give source of Land of Pinea… I seeked and did NOT find. lol


13c8c6  No.3430180

>>3422554

Jesus used plants which were common knowledge in Israel at the time in order to present his allegory. He used things the people already understood to help them understand the allegorical connection.

1. He did not mention 'Wheat', he identified another crop. The translators chose 'Wheat'.

2. A 'tare' is a specific type of weed which mimics a specific plant.

What is a 'tare'?

What plant does a 'tare' mimic?


8eebc4  No.3431542

>>3424829

You are correct that sin is indeed "of the devil" which scripture, 1 John 3:8 points to directly. It should occur to anyone reading that this places the devils involvement in sin, NOT just the person in which sin transpires.

The devil will not stop stop sinning because that's what the devil does, and does so IN PEOPLE.

Sin is also described in the N.T. as anything not of faith, Romans 14:23 AND transgression of the Law.

You: Are we all perfect? No, but we must learn and try to get better. [/quote]

Paul:

1 Timothy 1:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS; OF WHOM I AM CHIEF.

Paul made the above statement of "fact" after salvation and in the present tense application, I AM, not was or now I'm less of a sinner.

That statement is only possible if Paul understood the fact that the DEVIL is involved with sin, inclusive of Paul's SIN.

We don't "STOP" the devil from sinning or transgressing the LAW. This lawless activity transpires in ALL people in the form of EVIL THOUGHTS which defile ALL and such thoughts are DEMONIC in nature because such thoughts are SIN and are DEFILING.

Paul attributes this "sin thought" directly to the presence of sin indwelling his own flesh which he adroitly describes as "NO LONGER I" twice in Romans 7:17 & 20.

It should occur to MIND then that Satan is quite active in MIND in the form of EVIL PRESENT in ALL.

That is the "lesson" in fact from scripture.

Jesus did not say evil thoughts were "optional." Everyone has them instantly when exposed to LAW. Sin indwelling the flesh, evil present with us is prompted to DEFILE all people INTERNALLY. Just because the outside is painted up real nice and doesn't go from sin thoughts into sin words and sin deeds doesn't make them any less the "sinner." It only means they kept sin in check from progressing into full blown external slaveship to the DEVIL.

But all remain sinners, regardless.


8eebc4  No.3431658

>>3424742

You: Look…..Jesus spoke in metaphors. Tares simply means "weeds" as compared to say "corn" (and not GMO corn either!). In other words you are of God or of Satan producing weeds. It is that simple.[/quote]

Clearly weeds are allegorical to "children of the wicked one." Matt. 13:38

That would be devils. Pretty simple. There are thousands of examples of "devils in PEOPLE" in the N.T. That means there are people and there are devils, overlapped. Two entities. Not the same. People. Devils. Again, simple.

You on the other hand more than likely see only PEOPLE and ACCUSE only people. But then again, that's exactly what the DEVIL does, in people. Rev. 12:10.

So in that I'd consider you as a child of God to be blinded by the devil to this fact and also being pawned by the devil in not being able to see the difference. And even being a mouthpiece for Satan by such blindness.

Not that I have to hold it against you or any children of God i.e. any person. This affliction by the devil is quite common in churchy folk because, after all, Mark 4:15 is an internal reality. Most church people just don't believe what Jesus said happens to THEM, that's all.


8eebc4  No.3431715

>>3425651

You: It's hard to parse what you even mean. First of all, there is NO SIN.[/quote]

Oh? What rabbit hat did you pull that statement from?

If we're talking Bible, all have sin, present tense. 1 John 1:8 and if anyone says they don't they have sin they are deceiving themselves and the truth is not in them.

All have sin, and all are sinners. Scriptural fact 101.


8eebc4  No.3431832

>>3430180

You: 1. He did not mention 'Wheat', he identified another crop. The translators chose 'Wheat'.

2. A 'tare' is a specific type of weed which mimics a specific plant.

What is a 'tare'?

What plant does a 'tare' mimic?[/quote]

Jesus gave us the template to understand ALL parables (allegories) in Mark 4:13 and defines the parties involved in Mark 4:15. The parties involved are Gods Word, people and devils.

So, in the parable or allegory of "wheat" and "tares" the math is fairly easy. People are wheat. Tares are openly identified as "children of the wicked one" which would be the only remaining party, DEVILS.

Shake it out from there.


2f737b  No.3434308

>>3428998

The bible states clearly what sin is…

1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 

The term "missing the mark" is a watered down deflection Christian preachers use to keep their people in the dark about sin. They will never ever teach you what sin is and they come up with stuff like "missing the mark" The mark of what" Who defines this mark?

We are separated from God BECAUSE of our sins, but we will not know our fate until the day of judgment.

Hell is just a word for the grave.

Some verses for you…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

By your works. Not by praying to Jesus And again…

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 

Don't ever let a Christian tell you you are not blamed for your works (sins) just because you love Jesus Christ. It does not work that way. In fact if you truly loved him, as he says, this would be your position…

Joh 14:15  If ye love me, keep my commandments.  

Joh 14:21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 

1 - PS (you hurt my feelings! :( Strok???

the "p" means prophet


13c8c6  No.3439844

>>3431715

Your BBCode does not work here.

Nor does your promotion of false doctine.


7970c1  No.3440367

>>3431715

Well, I hope you read the rest of the comment.

There is no such thing as sin, i.e. being without. Everyone misses the mark, i.e. no one is perfect. If you were perfect you would not exist in this reality.


7970c1  No.3440433

>>3434308

>and will manifest myself to him.

Has Jesus manifested himself to you in the flesh?


13c8c6  No.3440690

>>3426314

>>3426381

Exactly. All of these are much better representations instead of what is currently accepted in many English translations.

JPS

How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, that didst cast lots over the nations!

http://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1014.htm

NKJV

“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+14&version=NKJV

This highlights how the truth is hidden from us and is evidence of false information promoted by modern scholars. By not correcting it in the English translations, to something similar to what we have presented, they allow people, those who assume the English is good/close enough, to be misled on this information.

Much of this type of error, this faulty perspective, comes out of the Greek texts.

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/apostolic/isaiah/14.htm

The Apostolic Bible Polyglot is a modern attempt to utilize the three main Septuagint texts as sources for translating, Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, and Sinaiticus.

While our presentation works well for this specific example, using the same method will not work in all cases. The subject of revising/updating the English is much more complex overall. The Hebrew also has some issues.

1.The Septuagint is a work to convert into a proper Greek text, one book out of Origin's Hexapala, which was a transliteration of the Jerusalem Temple Text using the Greek alphabet, probably the first attempt to preserve vowels.

I call this the intermediary text, JTT>>Hexapala>>Septuagint. The JTT being destroyed in 70 A.D.

ericlevy.com/Revel/Textual/Kahle-Cairo-Geniza.pdf see pgs. 98-108 (don't recall exact page)

2. The Septuagint is most likely, IMO, the work of Jerome before he had a complete understanding of Hebrew. To summarize the problem he may have faced, attempting to translate a Hebrew text written with Greek letters into Greek without a complete understanding of Hebrew. Being paid to render the work, upon completion he ran straight off to learn some Hebrew, then started a new project called the Latin Vulgate.


7970c1  No.3441146

>>3440690

> This highlights how the truth is hidden from us and is evidence of false information promoted by modern scholars. By not correcting it in the English translations, to something similar to what we have presented, they allow people, those who assume the English is good/close enough, to be misled on this information.

Yes. I agree with you 100%.

I am of the opinion that the Greek NT portions of the three codices (Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, and Sinaiticus) are the easiest point to start from.

It's not that complex. We know the full meaning of all of the words used in Ancient Greek and we have numerous complete texts since even before ~500 BC to corroborate their meanings.

High level philosophical texts at that. The underpinnings of modern Western civilization.

Just plugging the Greek words into wiktionary.com gives you a wealth of information on the true meaning of the words, over the course of hundreds of years 500-300-30BC etc.

We have been living a lie for many thousands of years. I think it was purposeful manipulation on the part of Constantine during the institution of the church (circa 300 AD) to remove and destroy the Greek texts and replace them with the bastardized translations of the Vetus Latina and later the Vulgate.

The damage was done there and ALL of modern Christianity from that point on has been following purposefully twisted, perverse, and degenerate teachings.

And now we know that Jesus spoke Koine Greek, all serious modern scholars agree. He was at least bi or tri lingual (Aramaic, Greek, most likely Hebrew). He grew up in Koine Greek speaking provinces, Nazareth. The entirety of Judea had been speaking Greek since Alexander the Great conquered it around 322BC. The Roman empire kept Greek as the official language for the region and all governmental records indicate Greek was the language in official government use. We know through his direct speaking with Pontious Pilot and the centurion that he spoke Greek. All of the gospels are in Greek. All of his apostles and disciples wrote in Greek. If Jesus wanted his message spread, disseminated, and recorded, it would have had to have been in Greek and not some obscure dialect.

Greek is the source language of his teachings.

There's a reason they were destroyed.

His teachings in Greek are much more PROFOUND and EXPLOSIVE than anything most Christians even dream possible. They are the teachings of a MASTER philosopher, with beautiful prose and multiple levels of meaning.

Once you start reading the Ancient Greek you see the truth. The complexity and beauty of his directly attributed quotes are impossible to deny. There's no way they were translated into Greek from another language. His play on words and meanings is way too subtle and beautiful for that to be the case.

An example, Luke 10:12 he uses ekeinē twice.

legō hymin hoti Sodomois en tē hēmera ekeinē anektoteron estai ē tē polei ekeinē.

I say you all Sodom in his day there-farther-in-the-past bear[able]-at-that-time being than that city there.

He plays on the multiple meanings of ekeinē:

ἐκεῖνος • (ekeînos) (Epic, Attic, Koine)

(demonstrative) that

(of place, to indicate something farther from the speaker) there

(of time, to indicate something farther in the past)

He is saying: it was more bearable to exist in Sodom then than now at that city there.

The entirety of the NT is like this. The meanings of his teachings are much more profound and full of love than this insane BDSM freakshow that modern Christianity has become of fire and brimstone and deranged insanity.


7970c1  No.3441211

https://interlinearbible.com/bib.pdf

The Berean Interlinear Bible NT, is a great resource if anybody wants to have a copy of the original Greek in digital form.

It's the Greek source biblehub.com uses.

Otherwise get a copy of the UBS5.


2f737b  No.3442772

>>3440433

I have been told I have a "gift of discernment" when it comes to the bible. Could be because for the last 15 years I have studied the bible every day. When it hit me to study it I had never opened the book and I was in my 40s.

(nce you get passed the verses, religious dogma, you go deeper and then realize what Jesus was about - things like that. (He taught Torah Law not Christianity by the way. And that was why he argued with the Rabbis since they CHANGED Torah to customs. But anyway…)

Anyone can study and learn. I am not special. But what I find amazing is WHY I have the urge to do this. Why do I seek to know more about the scriptures than I even know now? What button came on the night I said, "Hey God, if there really is a God then would you show me"? And the next day something triggered and I started from there. That is what is special. As Jesus said "I give you the good bread that you will want".

(The Word became flesh. Eat his flesh? To eat his Words.)

Go figure.

- 1 Prophet - Speaks (taken from an old chat room handle name many years ago.)


90a188  No.3442966

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7970c1  No.3443221

>>3442772

That's nice. I don't want to be rude, but you are "giftly discerning" trash translations. Quite apostatic in nature. From apostasy, before you go on thinking I mean apostolic.

I suggest you do the due diligence and actually read what is said first hand and not the translations of insane men whose minds were destroyed under repression or commissioned by men committed to the enslavement and control of entire nations of people.


2a9bd8  No.3449910

>>3439844

I'm sure you're able to get the point of [/quote]

When making accusations of false doctrine without delineating what that is, specifically, it's false accusation on your part.

Typical in the world of people who like to threaten other people using scripture.


2a9bd8  No.3449919

>>3440367

[You]There is no such thing as sin, i.e. being without.[/quote]

Opposite of your first claim, and if revised, agreed.


2a9bd8  No.3450039

>>3424900

[You]

He [satan] was/is a cherub angel who fell. He wanted to be God's #1 right hand guy and could not accept Jesus as his "boss".

- 1PS[/quote]

Typical christian fairytale trotted out, mainly by the freewill sects.

Satan was never a holy angel gone south by bad behavior. Jesus tells us in John 8:44 the devil was a liar from the beginning and the father of all lies.

Ezk 28:15 is often cited to claim satan was "perfect" but those who claim this forget the term "in thy ways." Satan, a perfect DEVIL. Perfect in his own devilish ways.

Paul described very accurately that the sin that was in his own flesh was "no longer I" and that evil was present with him. Romans 7:17-21.

The sin in all people's flesh and the evil present with them is never obedient, faithful, blessed, under Grace, overlooked or forgiven. None of these typical types of pseudo christian claims are truthful. Such claims are all lies.

God in Christ is in fact the enemy of all people's evil present and indwelling sin. However christians are not very fond of recognizing this aspect of God in Christ, applied personally. They prefer to cover up their sin and pretend it's not there, internally. Then again that is exactly what evil and sin within "all" does. Rather than "expose" these facts about their "internal self" they hide it and drape themselves in hypocrisy and lies, thereby proving their own slaveship to the reality of evil and sin facts that assuredly apply to them (and everyone else.)

When it comes to internal evil present and indwelling sin, every person is in fact on "equal ground" in a bad way.

It's also why God is the respecter of NO PERSON.


b75b02  No.3450672

>>3441146

>I am of the opinion that the Greek NT portions of the three codices (Vaticanus, Alexandrinus, and Sinaiticus) are the easiest point to start from.

>It's not that complex. We know the full meaning of all of the words used in Ancient Greek and we have numerous complete texts since even before ~500 BC to corroborate their meanings.

The complexity exists, for example:

John 13:1

Πρὸ δὲ τῆς ἑορτῆς τοῦ πάσχα εἰδὼς ὁ Ἰησοῦς ὅτιἦλθεν αὐτοῦ ἡ ὥρα ἵναμεταβῇ ἐκ τοῦ κόσμουτούτου πρὸς τὸν πατέρα,ἀγαπήσας τοὺς ἰδίους τοὺςἐν τῷ κόσμῳ, εἰς τέλοςἠγάπησεν αὐτούς. 

The emboldened words are not Greek and will not be found in a Greek dictionary.

>We have been living a lie for many thousands of years. I think it was purposeful manipulation on the part of Constantine during the institution of the church (circa 300 AD) to remove and destroy the Greek texts and replace them with the bastardized translations of the Vetus Latina and later the Vulgate.

>The damage was done there and ALL of modern Christianity from that point on has been following purposefully twisted, perverse, and degenerate teachings.

Constantine is not the bad guy. He was Christian most of his life, long before he was Emperor. The promoted histories of Constantine were authored by his enemies. Paid for writing, like Eusebius, modified the life of Constantine after his death to promote the Senate's goals. Most Senators worshipped false gods.

See the writings of Lactantius, the personal biographer and witness to several Constantine experiences


d86037  No.3450986

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>>3442772

I’m pretty sure real love doesn’t smell like the shit you post on this board. I learned a long time ago to stay away from self appointed prophets. It is so nfortunate what you have brought into this place.


7970c1  No.3451489

>>3449919

> First of all, there is NO SIN. You can miss the mark on the central tenants of reality, and the One will correct you – throughout all your lifetimes. So the only way to become "sinless" is through free will and through the grace of God. You need both.

No need for revision. There is NO SIN. No such thing. The statements are both the same and logically consistent with each other.

I point you to

>>3425836

for further info.


7970c1  No.3451751

>>3450672

> The complexity exists, for example:

Yes, there are obviously Aramaic/Hebrew words that have been borrowed for the Greek. It makes sense especially for proper nouns such as this. Feast of Passover. I don't think that adds much complexity to the situation, as opposed to the translation straight from Hebrew (or Hebrew to transliterated Greek) for which we have many less contemporary texts to gleam the meaning of the words.

There are direct quotes in Aramaic of Jesus as well, like his expiring on the cross.

"Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?"

Ἐλωί / ηλι ἐλωί / ηλι λεμὰ σαβαχθανεί

I feel the need to say requiescat in pace after contemplating his expiring, but somehow I get the feeling he does not rest. =)

> Constantine is not the bad guy.

You are most likely correct. I always feel a bit odd blaming Constantine when I talk about the subject. I just like to place the time period in question around 300ish AD around the time period the formal church is established by Rome and they formalize the Vetus Latina texts for mass diffusion. I will look into the writings of Lactantius. I should not slander and libel great men.


2f737b  No.3451984

>>3450039

Several things…

1. I am not a Christian or a Jew by the way.

2. I never said Satan was a "Holy" angel. The Holy Spirit is a holy angel. (Spirits in this sense are angels by definition and context as stated in psalm 104:4).

3. When Jesus says "from the beginning" (satan) what beginning is he talking about? The beginning of the "bad"angels creation, the beginning of the earth, what beginning? In other words the angels were created with free will. Just as any inventor creates. Some creations are good some are bad or evil. Lucifer/Satan chose disobedience. But at 1 point, who knew what/when he was going to take that route? So I would assume he "became" bad. And as a cherub angel he sat around the throne of God. That is the responsibility of the cherub so he had a very high position. Those angels you see in Ezekiel and Rev 4 are cherub angels.

4. When we are born we learn to be sinful by following what we are taught. We are not sinful UNTIL WE SIN! The elites of this world have setup a system of convenience that we are taught to use laden with sin. Debt instruments are sin. Pharmakia is sin. We have the nature to take the easy way out. But who teaches what sin is? And why are parents falling down giving their children over to others?

We must study what sin is to led a life in the direction Jesus wants us to follow. Have you read the 613 Laws of Torah? And if so have you compared them to the changes made by the Pharisees? For example Torah may say "Help the man if his ox falls into the ditch" whereas the talmud would say "Help the Jew when his ox falls in the ditch". A total re-write of the law so be careful. Judaism101 (site) is not your friend.

And we all hear preachers telling their flocks "stop sinning". But have they ever educated people as to what sin is? No. Why not? Who knows.

If we are taught as little children what sin is we can try to avoid it. We must have that knowledge or else it is all up to each person's interpretation and that is incorrect.

1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 

And even if you learn the sins you are still going to fall and sin anyway sometime somewhere. And that sin will hurt someone or something.

There is no one more deceived than the person that thinks Jesus just loves sinners.

So we agree on many things. If you want to learn more about the sins there is an excellent website that explains the Mosaic Law and many other things. Scroll down on the right to the categories links…

www.scripturetalks.com

- 1PS


96d626  No.3452686

>>3451984

If you knew what you walked into, spewing this shit in here, you’d be in a fetal position in your bed. You have no idea what you are doing. I would recommend tiptoeing out the door and not coming back.

What experiences do you have with Jesus? You speak for him, so you must have encounters.

I know when I first encountered him, I was so excited that he knew who I was, that I went out and bought a KJV Bible. That excitement left when I couldn’t understand hardly any of it. I threw the Bible across the room, and said, “How the hell am I supposed to understand this?!?”

The next time I picked it up, I could read it as easy as any other book.

Jesus is very clear that you need the Holy Spirit to understand his words. The Pharisees knew the scriptures back and forth, yet had him crucified.

He is alive and well, and very active. Instead of hanging out in bars, which he still does, he hangs out on the chans. He ADORES these guys. He is beyond fond of them. You are taking away hope from his beloveds. You need to stop, now. If you have no experience with him, then you don’t know him. Period.


78dd92  No.3453121

>>3451751

22 תְּהִלִּים

אֵלִי אֵלִי, לָמָה עֲזַבְתָּנִי

Something even more curious is that the passage suggests that Jesus is quoting Psalms 22:1 yet in Hebrew that phrase is eli, eli lama ‘azabethni not sabachthani. It sounds similar but it is not the same at all.

Perhaps one explanation is that given by the Eastern Church and that is that the scribes who wrote this out in Greek really did not understand what this phrase really meant, so they merely transliterated it into the Greek rather than translated it and then put in a short commentary or their own opinion and indicated this by the words that is to say… In other words they were not sure they had correctly quoted Jesus so they assumed he was speaking Psalms 22:1 and put in a little commentary to offer their opinion as to what he really said.

http://www.chaimbentorah.com/2014/04/word-study-eli-eli-lama-sabachthani/

If Matthew’s first two words of the quote are Hebrew and Mark’s are Aramaic then the obvious question is what language are the remaining two words, “lama sabachthani” (λεμα σαβαχθανι)? In an interesting coincidence these words are used in both Aramaic and Mishnaic Hebrew (the Hebrew used at the time of Yeshua). Thus the remainder of the sentence doesn’t give us a clue which language is being used.

https://torahclass.com/archived-articles/412-did-the-messiah-speak-aramaic-or-hebrew-part-2-by-eaknapp

Where does the idea that Jesus spoke Aramaic come from?

From Josephus, the historian so beloved by the Roman Catholic authorities. Josephus is almost too good to be true, answering all the questions which might come up in a biblical pursuit of knowledge. I, on the other suggest caution in accepting Josephus as a valid historical account. Eusibius and Josephus are the two greatest authorities promoted by the Catholic system and Eusibius can be proven to lie in his own works.

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (37 or 38 – about 101 A.D.) testifies to the fact that Aramaic and Hebrew were the languages of first-century Jews. Moreover, he testifies that Aramaic – and NOT Greek – was the every-day language of his place and time.

http://www.hope-of-israel.org/h&a.html

Was Hebrew or Aramaic spoken in Jerusalem in the first century?

There are instances of popular sayings in Aramaic, but every single parable is in Hebrew” (“Spoken and Literary Languages in the Time of Jesus,” in Jesus’ Last Week: Jerusalem Studies in the Synoptic Gospels, Vol. 1 [ed. R. S. Notley, M. Turnage and B. Becker; Leiden: E. J. Brill, 2005], 238; see also Randall Buth and Brian Kvasnica, “Temple Authorities and Tithe Evasion: The Linguistic Background and Impact of the Parable of the Vineyard, the Tenants and the Son,” in Jesus’ Last Week, 58, n. 17).

https://www.jerusalemperspective.com/6601/

Hebrew also was typically chosen for written accounts of Jewish religious significance, as evidenced by post-biblical writings such as Ben Sira, 1 Maccabees (according to consensus), by the Qumran texts and tannaic Hebrew texts. On the significant lack of Aramaic targum at Qumran, see Randall Buth, “Where Is the Aramaic Bible at Qumran? Scripture Use in the Land of Israel.”

https://www.jerusalemperspective.com/6601/

http://www.jerusalemperspective.com/default.aspx?&tabid=27&ArticleID=1786

If it is likely that the literary language of Jews in the time of Jesus was Hebrew, and the ordinary language of teaching was Hebrew, what was the primary spoken language of the Jewish residents of the Land? It appears that it, too, was Hebrew.

https://www.jerusalemperspective.com/6601/

Physical evidence supports Hebrew as the spoken language of Israel during the first century.


2f737b  No.3456036

>>3452686

You still do not understand the problem with Jesus and the pharisees? Please re-read some of my posts and what these others are trying to tell you. By the time of Jesus and the Pharisees the Jews were not under Mosaic Law. If they were they would have known of his coming. So please do not say they knew scriptures back and forth. They knew their oral law back and forth which became the Talmud. The torah and Talmud are in opposition to each other. Until yo understand this Jesus and Paul will never be clear 100%.

As far as your other "Christian dogmatic threats" I assume you must be thinking about blaspheming the holy spirit?" Tell me, how does one blaspheme the HS and where in the bible do you show me he is God?

In the OT where was this Trinity? Did Israel, Moses, king David in the \psalms, Isaiah, anyone ever propose a trinity and the Holy Spirit being God? Please show me.

And please - shhhhhh - with the threats. We are here to learn.


2f737b  No.3456106

>>3453121

>>3451751

In the OT the Hebrew words El, and Elohim, are both translated into English as God. Now in the KJ 1611 bible when the underlying Hebrew word was El the English word is GOD. When the underlying Hebrew word was Elohim the English word is God. Note the CAPS.

What does this mean? In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. We also read in John 1:3, Collossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:10, that Jesus created the heavens and the earth. So if that is divine then Jesus is THE God in Gen 1:1. Elohim. In fact we do not see the word GOD or El until gen 14:18 in the bible.

What does this mean? Jesus is "Elohim in the OT folks. the Father is "El".

Now the reason I had to mention this is when Jesus was on the STAKE he cried out "My GOD my GOD why have you forsaken me? Now where did he get that from? It comes from psalm 22 verse 1 in the OT. David wrote those exact words 1,000 years before it happened. It was a prophecy! (Read psalm 22:1 and then skip to around 15 and see who this is talking about).

If Jesus is crying out My El my El then he is talking to the Father. If he cried out my Elohim my Elohim then he is talking to himself. Who do you think he is crying out to? El, not Elohim. So he is talking to the Father. The Hebrew word is El.

No matter what Eli Eli……is saying it is point to the Hebrew "El" or GOD or the Father GOD in psalm 22:1.


2f737b  No.3456146

>>3456106

I will post the Psalm 22:1 for you now…

Psa 22:1  My Ěl, My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me – Far from saving Me, far from the words of My groaning? 

and the other part of this psalm. this is Jesus…

Psa 22:14  I have been poured out like water, And all My bones have been spread apart; My heart has become like wax; It has melted in the midst of My inward parts. 

Psa 22:15  My strength is dried like a potsherd, And My tongue is cleaving to My jaws; And to the dust of death You are appointing Me. 

Psa 22:16  For dogs have surrounded Me; A crowd of evil ones have encircled Me, Piercing My hands and My feet.

Psa 22:17  I count all My bones. They look, they stare at Me. 

Psa 22:18  They divide My garments among them, And for My raiment they cast lots. 

and then what happened in the New Test?…

Mat 27:35  And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. 

- 1PS


2a9bd8  No.3457099

>>3451984

1. I am not a Christian

That about sums it up.

Angels are messengers. There are both holy and wicked/devil messengers.

In John 8:44 Jesus said the devil was a murderer from the beginning. One might logically read that as being the devils beginning since that is the subject being addressed.

We don't learn to be sinful. Sin indwells our flesh and evil is present within us. Romans 7. Sin is also of the devil(s) who sins IN MAN.

Jesus addresses "defiling" as "evil thoughts" that are against the Law.

Religious pharisees still lie and claim a sin is only the "external act." This is not true whatsoever. But such lies originate with the devil in any case so I don't blame the deceived, but the deceiver who turns religious people into lying hypocrites about "their" sins.

We can study the scriptures all we want and that will never make anyone sinless, not even for a nanosecond.

Sin is a progression from thought to word to deed. In deed one is a full blown external slave of the devil.

Jesus loves all mankind and hates all devilkind. Since these two parties are walking in the same pair of shoes it will remain disingenuous to see it only one way or the other.

Not interested in liars who think they can "keep the Law." Their internals are defiled regardless as are the internals of ALL mankind.

Act sinless and obedient all you please. It won't change the fact that evil internally present never obeys. NO ONE IS "LEGALLY OBEDIENT" in their entirety, ever, other than God Himself in the flesh.


2a9bd8  No.3457157

>>3451489

Reincarnation is not a Biblical presentation unless we're talking about devils who occupy new flesh once their old hangout in man dies. There's your Biblical reincarnation.


445984  No.3461835

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2018/10/12

Episode on demons was extremely relevant..


7970c1  No.3475154

>>3457157

The entirety of Christ's teachings are about the permanence of the soul, reincarnation, and ever lasting life.

Christ died on the cross so we would have proof of reincarnation.

Read the NT in Greek.

Time to stop missing the mark.

1 Corinthians 15:12

Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?


7970c1  No.3475264

>>3453121

Israel didn't exist in the first century. The Roman Empire did. And before them the area was completely Hellenized by the Greeks.

This is not really debatable. They spoke Greek in the region. I'm sure subcultures had their own regional dialects and mother tongues, but Greek was the modern day equivalent to English in the United States today. Many speak Spanish or Chinese etc., but everyone speaks English to communicate with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Hellenic_period

> In the late 330s BCE, Alexander the Great conquered the region,

> The northern portion of Palestine ultimately fell into the hands of the Seleucid Empire in 219 through the betrayal of Governor Theodotus of Aetolia, who had held the province on behalf of Ptolemy IV Philopator.

> The Persians had not interfered with the internal affairs of the various subject-peoples of the region, but the Greeks followed a policy of deliberate Hellenisation, encouraging, although not normally enforcing, Greek culture. Hellenisation took root first in the densely settled coastal and lowland areas, and only really began to impinge on more backward areas such as Judea in the early 2nd century. According to Josephus and the Books of the Maccabees, the continued Hellenization of Palestine by the Seleucids resulted in an uprising in the Judean Mountains, known as the Maccabean Revolt.

> Trade and commerce flourished, particularly in the most Hellenized areas, such as Ashkelon, Jaffa,[67] Jerusalem,[68] Gaza,[69] and ancient Nablus (Tell Balatah).

> By 116 BCE, a civil war between Seleucid half-brothers Antiochus VIII Grypus and Antiochus IX Cyzicenus resulted in a breakup of the kingdom and the independence of certain principalities, including Judea

> During 73–63 BCE, the Roman Republic extended its influence into the region in the Third Mithridatic War.

> The Romans restored their self-governing status and as such this event was marked as the Pompeian era by some cities. "Under the early Roman Emperors the local communities lived under a variety of governments. The Greco-Macedonian colonies kept their own magistrates under whom were a senate and a popular assembly. The ancient Greek city-state remained the organization type. The Phoenician city-states likewise retained their traditional oligarchical systems, to which a Greek colouring had been by this time added."

Every one spoke Greek. You didn't just conquer a region and change the language over night. The Romans kept Greek as the lingua franca of the region.

Jesus spoke Koine Greek. This is know. There is no way around this. This is truth. He probably spoke other languages as well. At least Aramaic and Hebrew.


7970c1  No.3475291

>>3456106

That is quite beautiful.


2a9bd8  No.3475402

>>3475154

(You)

The entirety of Christ's teachings are about the permanence of the soul, reincarnation, and ever lasting life.[/quote]

I have no issues with people having eternal life. What form that takes "eternally" is subject to questions, but not openly revealed or seen, at present. Speculate all you want, however the notions that we, as people, continue to reincarnate on earth is NOT a presentation of Jesus or the Bible.

Thee resurrection described in 1 Cor. 15 bears no resemblance whatsoever to another life in the flesh on earth (as we know it currently). It is the putting of of corruption, dishonor and mortality and made fully part of the Body of Christ. But what that is none of us know entirely, currently.

Currently we are described as "dead" and our "life" is hidden from us:

Colossians 3:3

For YE ARE DEAD, and YOUR LIFE IS HID with Christ in God.

Pointless to make a stand for current human body state type reincarnation as it doesn't exist in the Bible.

What does exist in the Bible is that unseen adverse agents called "devils" do take up habitation in humans after their flesh hosts die. Which is an adequate way to somewhat understand some strange associated events that we see from time to time ala Bridey Murphy for example, and many others similar. The scriptures do testify of this kind of reincarnation, of evil liars that are not mankind but exist with mankind.

I find this aspect of scripture quite fascinating.


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2f737b  No.3481224

>>3475402

>>3475154

Jesus taught the concept of resurrection, not reincarnation. In fact, He predicted His own resurrection early in His public ministry (John 2:19). And after Jesus resurrected from the dead, He appeared to some disciples and said, "Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have" (Luke 24:39). Jesus was resurrected in the same body that went into the tomb and even retained the scars and wounds in His hands, feet, and side from the crucifixion (John 20:28).

In addition to biblically refuting reincarnation, we must also point to some of the practical problems involved in the theory of reincarnation. For example, we must ask, Why does one get punished (via "bad karma") for something he or she cannot remember having done in a previous life? Moreover, if the purpose of karma is to rid humanity of its selfish desires (as reincarnationists say), then why has there not been a noticeable improvement in human nature after all the millennia of reincarnations on earth?

Also, if reincarnation and the law of karma are so beneficial on a practical level, as reincarnationists claim, then how do they explain the immense and ever-worsening social and economic problems - including widespread poverty, starvation, disease, and horrible suffering - where reincarnation has been systematically taught throughout its history?

Now, among the first inhabitants of the earth, Lucifer's first lie was "YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (Genesis 3:4)." And, this same LIE of the Devil has been used from Adam and Eve's day to our present time today. Here lies the origin of the foundation of the falsehood of immortal soul, reincarnation, all forms of Spiritualism, Astrology, Black Magic, Necromancy, Purgatory and Hell, the burning place of torment. The whole system of the Mystery of Iniquity is based on this lie of the Devil, "Life after Death." But the Bible is very clear: "THOU SHALT SURELY DIE." Genesis 2:16, 17. And this from Hebrews…

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: (no other choices. We do not die and go to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Even Jesus said this…

Joh 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven (no one - we await resurrection. See 1 Cor 15).

The myths about "Life After Death" can be traced in the legends of Nimrod who became the great god of the Assyrians and Babylonians and is “Babylon” teaching. And this teaching is taught in the churches under the guise of Christianity which teaches life after death in its own doctrine contrary to the bible which says when you die you are not awake, not thinking, and awaiting judgment.


2f737b  No.3481246

>>3481224

Couple this with what the scriptures say about death and you also see reincarnation is impossible. for example…

Psa 115:17

(GW) Those who are dead do not praise the LORD, nor do those who go into the silence of the grave.

(KJVA) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Psalms 13:3 Consider and hear me, O LORD my God: lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death;

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3481281

>>3457099

You talk about sin and Law and do not have a clue what you are talking about. And by the way I am what is called a spiritual Israelite as Paul was (see Acts 24:14).

Now read very slowly please…

The knowledge of good and evil, which man obtains by going into evil via his sins and turning his back on the Laws of God due to some religious writings that allows the follower faith without works such as Christianity, is far removed from the true likeness of God which he would have attained by avoiding sin as Jesus demonstrated.

The imaginary liberty of a sinner not studying works or the Law leads to the bondage of sin and ends in death. This is far from the true liberty of a life of fellowship with God which is obedience to the written Word of God. There is no freedom called "living in sin in the name of Jesus”. Faith without works is meaningless and works comes from studying the Laws of God.

For if we were not to be under the terms of the law anymore, by extension we would not be guilty of sinning; therefore having no need of a Saviour from our nonexistent sins. Were this to be the case, then Jesus' death was a total waste of His time.

However be careful, there is a "works of law" Paul talks about which has to do with the rituals and customs of at that time Judaism. That is the works of law Paul says cannot help you and what confuses Christians (In Eph 2:8-9 - NOT Torah Law).


2a9bd8  No.3483609

>>3481281

You: The knowledge of good and evil, which man obtains by going into evil via his sins and turning his back on the Laws of God due to some religious writings that allows the follower faith without works such as Christianity, is far removed from the true likeness of God which he would have attained by avoiding sin as Jesus demonstrated. [/quote]

It's entirely obvious that you continue to "miss the mark/point" in this exchange.

The law is for the lawless and for sinners. 1 Tim. 1:9. Everyone is a sinner, period.

And guess what? The DEVIL(s) are also 'sinners.' 1 John 3:8. The law is also against "them" and they are "in man."

Your lack of ability to grasp this scriptural fact and factor this into the equation is because not only you, but ALL have the same internal affliction of EVIL PRESENT:

Matt. 15:19-20, Mark 7:21-23, Matt. 5:28, Romans 7:21.

Here's news for ya. Your "evil present" doesn't OBEY THE LAW no matter how hard you claim it to be so. Never has. Never will.

Evil present however is a well practiced liar, deceiver and hypocrite. IT certainly can not "tell the truth," particularly if IT had to fess up that sin is actually of the DEVIL and that fact has to be applied "personally."

The scriptures speak to TWO entirely different parties IN MAN, simultaneously. One party, mankind, God in Christ is for and loves. The other, God hates and resists/arouses.

That's kinda why it can be difficult to understand sometimes and also speaks to why divisions come where the Word is sown, because Satan DOES ENTER the hearts of MAN. Mark 4:15, Acts 26:18, Romans 11:8, Romans 11:32, 2 Cor. 3:14, 2 Cor. 4:4, 2 Cor. 12:7, Eph. 2:2, 2 Tim. 2:20-21.

It gets even more interesting when "believers" can't seem to grasp this simple TWO PARTY principle that the scriptures present, and DENY that they have the same internal problems with EVIL PRESENT as everyone else.

Romans 3:9

What then? ARE WE BETTER THAN THEY? NO, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Paul claimed to be the chief of sinners AFTER salvation. Now there was a man IN TRUTH! Certainly not the typical religious LIAR and POSER. 1 Tim. 1:15

So the "follow the law" to be better people really are not paying attention. The law actually "actuates" and "empowers" sin. 1 Cor. 15:56, Romans 7:11-13.

So why do we uphold the Law? Yes, I am actually FOR the law, as described and defined by Paul in Romans 13:8-10. THIS is why I believe ALL PEOPLE are saved in the end. That is as much LOVE as one can expend to another, to believe they HAVE eternal life with God in Christ.

Nevertheless I'm not interested in being a LIAR and HYPOCRITE, falsely thinking, promoting and conveying that my own EVIL PRESENT is obedient to anything regarding God in Christ.

Get it yet?


2a9bd8  No.3483646

>>3481224

It's not helping your cause to mix resurrection with reincarnation. They are not the same subjects whatsoever.


f3af36  No.3484811

>>3483646

Yet according to some, in Jesus's day the concept of resurrection meant reincarnation. Later generations came up with the concept of bones and dust coming together in a literal physical reconstruction.


3a6719  No.3485553

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b3f4e8  No.3495334

>>2969698

>How was Moses led out of Egypt away from the Pharaohs during the Exodus, just to later have his religion infiltrated and subverted by the very same people?

The numerology, and ritual magick from North/-east of Egypt was used by court mages. You'd have magical consultants to get your auspicious military campaigns just right, or finding some other congruence to justify a marriage, ect.

These foreign scribes and mages get really popular with the heir apparent under their tutelage (Thutmoses), to the point he joins them and leaves (perhaps even just as a trial military campaign leading the Mizraim mercenaries and just goes full native); either the Father, or the next in line (Ahkenaten) maybe go after him. Ahkenaten really drinks the Kool-Aid in a sort of palace coup by the foreign scribe/magician think tanks, and are eventually ousted and ethnically cleansed from the record.

There was court intrigues and the patronage of particular cities and priest hoods shifted often. This included foreigners, to the point of Hyksos Canaanites getting in their own short lived dynasty. The sycretism could be flowing into each other from multiple ways, just have in your mind Egyptian, Levantine, and Sumerian as distinct; and within Egypt,Upper vs. Lower, particularly the Memphis pantheon (here, Masonry likely originates, with Ptah, Thoth, Imhotep) – so these Canaanite foreign court jackals would perhaps form a coalition with these Lower Egyptians with, perhaps, a more compatible henothesitic cosmological viewpoint vs. Upper Egyptian establishment.

That said, assuming Jesus was likely Essene (by way of Zadokites, very anti-paganism; Josephus) and the breadth of their geographical distribution with small numbers – the old ways of tribal gods and tradtions in Canaanite/Babylonian mystery religions would be stronger current than the sycretic grafting of an offshoot migrating back Northeast, extreme physical removal memes from (Thut)moses notwithstanding.

>Why pyramids and Illuminati confirmed on USD

The satanic/demiurge/Ptah/Thot/Mason/Memphite secret priesthood, perverted over millennia, and a supernova about 4k years BC in the middle of a triangular constellation.


7970c1  No.3497054

>>3481224

It's a fact. You die multiple times. You reincarnate. Every single chapter of the NT links back to this concept. Everywhere. Karma and Reincarnation. That is how it works. It's the only way to guarantee the permanence of the soul. It's the only way to perfect said soul.

Time to wake up.

Hebrews 9:27

ESV: And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Original Greek: καὶ καθ’ ὅσον ἀπόκειται τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἅπαξ ἀποθανεῖν, μετὰ δὲ τοῦτο κρίσις,

Transliterated Greek: kai kath' hoson apokeitai tois anthrōpois hapax apothanien, meta de touto krisis

English: and in however-many apportionments these, men once dying, after now this discernment


7970c1  No.3497064

>>3452686

>He is alive and well, and very active.

Yes.


7970c1  No.3497194

>>3481246

>Psa 115:17

>

>(GW) Those who are dead do not praise the LORD, nor do those who go into the silence of the grave.

>

>(KJVA) The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

EXACTLY. The dead do not praise the Lord. If you go to "heaven" or "hell" are you barred from praising the Lord? No, right? That would be logically impossible. So, if you die, and you go to one of these "places," and you are "dead," then by the word of God you cannot praise him.

Is that logically consistent? No, that is insanity.

Is death permanent then? You cease to exist for all reality and time after you die?

NO, because the non-existent do not praise the Lord. This is extremely logical and consistent.

So where do you go?

You do not stay dead. EVER.

This is the only logical outcome of this statement. The entirety of the bible is riddled with them.


7970c1  No.3497306

>>3481224

> Also, if reincarnation and the law of karma are so beneficial on a practical level, as reincarnationists claim, then how do they explain the immense and ever-worsening social and economic problems - including widespread poverty, starvation, disease, and horrible suffering - where reincarnation has been systematically taught throughout its history?

Well, you are clearly insane if you haven't realized everything on planet earth is slowly but consistently getting better for everyone.

Not much else I can say to an insane person.


7970c1  No.3497691

>>3484811

They are not the same. There are three things that have been confabulated together by translators of the bible:

The resurrection of Jesus

The resurrection of the dead

The return of Jesus Christ, parousia, or the second coming.

The fact that Jesus as Man is able to have his dead body resurrected, logically indicates that we as Men can have our dead bodies resurrected.

I can use any number of quotes to get to where I'm going, but since we're on the Q board, let's stick with the following:

If Jesus says to fear the one who can cast your body into the child sacrificial cults outside of Jerusalem (Gehenna) after you die. What does this logically mean?

Is your "cast" adult body going to be in any danger in a child sacrificing cult? Is that the negative he is implying here?

Or is the negative he implying that your child body in danger in a child sacrificing cult?

If there is no negative he is implying, then there is nothing to fear from the One. The only way to guarantee a negative is if there is something to fear, and you certainly have to fear being a child in a child sacrificing cult.

So if you can only guarantee fear in a child sacrificing cult being a child, then logically how can your child body be cast into a child sacrificing cult?

You would have to be born into it, wouldn't you?

It is better to tear out your eye or cut off your right hand if they cause you to miss the mark, than to have your whole body cast into Gehenna.

Indeed it is.

Degeneracy over time leads us to ultimate evil. This is what Jesus is trying to say. If you don't stay dead, if there is permanence to the soul, what does that lead to over time if you go down the path of evil continuously over time?

You end up with the Aztecs, you end up with Gehenna, you end up with Hillary Clinton and the Vanderbilts.

You end up cannibalizing your self and your people to the point of non-existence. You kill all your logical avenues of existence in this material reality. You keep yourself from being able to exist on this plane. You become death, the destroyer of worlds. The adversary keeping you from life. Keeping you from the One, the Αὐτόν.

If you on the other hand, love your neighbor, care for yourself and others, strive for God. Listen to and understand his chastisements (karma, κόλασις, corrections) over time you breed prosper and multiply. You open up the avenues for existence to and for all those who continue to miss the mark, so that they learn and over time are brought into the light. Bringing the children of dawn into the light of God is our mandate from heaven. And it's easy to do. We just need to love one another and everything will be fine.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails.


13c8c6  No.3498345

>>3481224

>Jesus taught the concept of resurrection, not reincarnation.

How are reincarnation and resurrection different? They are not!

Define: Reincarnation

From: Incarnation

A clothing with flesh; taking a human body and nature

Therefore, Reincarnation would be:

clothing again with flesh; Re-taking a human body and nature

1895 - Webster's Academic Dictionary of the English Language

https://archive.org/details/webstersacademi00websgoog/page/n326

Define: Resurrection

From: Surrection

A rising

Therefore, Resurrection would be:

a rising again; Re-rising; a springing into new life

1896 - The Student's English Dictionary by John Ogilvie

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.228218/page/n613


7970c1  No.3499537

1 Corinthians 15:20

Νυνὶ δὲ Χριστὸς ἐγήγερται ἐκ νεκρῶν, ἀπαρχὴ τῶν κεκοιμημένων.

At this present moment now Christ is gathering out of the dead, away from the origin those who conditionally sleep and wait.

ἀπαρχὴ -> ἀπ’ (apocopic of ἀπό) + αρχή -> away from + origin

κεκοιμημένων -> κε (form of ᾰν) + κοιμη (1st person singular dependent form of κοιμάμαι) + μένω -> conditionally + sleep + wait

And this is what the insane translators say it says:

But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Convinced yet you have to read the Greek? Just plug and chug away with wikitionary.com. Everyone on this planet with an internet connection can do this.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BC%CE%B7%CE%B8%CF%8E

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%89


7970c1  No.3499549

>>3499537

> wikitionary.com

wikitionary.org

Oops!


7970c1  No.3500747

1 Corinthians 15:20-22

At this present moment now Christ is gathering out of the dead, away from the origin those who conditionally sleep and wait. Since for through Man comes death, also through Man comes the rousing of the dead. Just as for in Adam all die, in this manner also in Christ all live making and sifting reality.


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>>2969698

>Bank Of America, Charlotte, NC


2f737b  No.3505284

>>3498345

You actually bring up a good point I want to "point out to you".

Notice the date of your Websters. I take what you posted as being very accurate! I use the 1828 Websters. Reincarnation is not in that one.

But my point is this…notice how the accuracy of what it is has been changed over time due to dogmas and "gossip". From it s definition to now meaning a constant re-birth of the soul, is a different meaning!

Look up the definition of fornication too. Back then it specifically states the UNLAWFUL sex (according to biblical law not man law). So if what you did was not opposed to the torah law it is not fornication. In the bible sex before marriage is NOT fornication, but religion calls it that now.

People are getting dumber by the generation.

- 1PS


2f737b  No.3505343

>>3497194

>>3481246

PLEASE READ. This may take 2 parts or 3…

- 1PS…..

𝐑𝐄𝐒𝐔𝐑𝐑𝐄𝐂𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍

𝐎𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰 𝐨𝐟 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐞

As we have read the term hell is a pit or grave, in death no one is alive or speaking, and no one dies and goes to heaven to be alive with God. So what is our promise? And why are religions not teaching the hard truth about the Scriptures. If the promise was to die and go to heaven you would think there would be scripture after scriptures supporting this concept. And as was shown Jesus said “No man has gone to heaven”. Why is this taught?

Upon further discussion we see the bible tells us over and over that all souls will be raised form the dead – or resurrected. Some will be resurrected to life and some back to everlasting death which is called the final death of the soul.

Some people, the very righteous, that lived by the Laws of God along with their faith, will be what Paul calls “justified” and raised in this first resurrection. All other humans that have lived will be judged in what the bible calls the Great Judgment 1,000 years after the first resurrection.

Our hope is to be in the 1st resurrection. Paul explains why we go through this process…

𝐏𝐚𝐮𝐥 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧

1Co 15:35 But someone will ask, "How do the dead come back to life? With what kind of body will they come back?"

1Co 15:36 You fool! The seed you plant doesn't come to life unless it dies first.

1Co 15:37 What you plant, whether it's wheat or something else, is only a seed. It doesn't have the form that the plant will have.

1Co 15:38 God gives the plant the form he wants it to have. Each kind of seed grows into its own form.

1Co 15:39 Not all flesh is the same. Humans have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds have another, and fish have still another.

1Co 15:40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. Heavenly bodies don't all have the same splendor, neither do earthly bodies.

1Co 15:41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon has another kind of splendor, and the stars have still another kind of splendor. Even one star differs in splendor from another star.

1Co 15:42 That is how it will be when the dead come back to life. When the body is planted, it decays. When it comes back to life, it cannot decay.

1Co 15:43 When the body is planted, it doesn't have any splendor and is weak. When it comes back to life, it has splendor and is strong.

1Co 15:44 It is planted as a physical body. It comes back to life as a spiritual body. As there is a physical body, so there is also a spiritual body.

1Co 15:45 This is what Scripture says: "The first man, Adam, became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

1Co 15:46 The spiritual does not come first, but the physical and then the spiritual.