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Glory to God in the highest!

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And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.

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/christian/pol

>What is this thread?

The designated political discussion thread. Christians from all parts of the political spectrum are encouraged to discuss relevant political topics and ideas, as well as ask questions and hopefully recieve answers from all points of view. Anything related to politics that doesn't actively involve the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant churches should go here, so if a politics thread is deleted, this thread is the reason why.

As a reminder:

All board rules apply to this thread, so keep things civil.

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Prayer Requests

“But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail. And you, when you have turned back, strengthen your brethren.”

Luke 22:32

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-7

Confess your offences to one another and pray for one another in order to be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective!

James 5:16

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Adam and Eve in Relation to Modern Races

I've always found the placement of Adam, Eve and their progeny to be a point of contention among some in my family. Both sets of my grandparents are southern baptists who have a very literal understanding of the text. Despite this one set will continue to act as though other races are no kin of theirs or deserve subpar treatment, while the other tries their best to understand yet reverts to ideas such as the curse of Ham as an explanation for various phenomena, such as strange human fossils. Are we all of one blood (including fossil people), or do antiquated notions of "pre-adamites" still hold water today?

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Salvation

I left all my former pagan associations behind some months ago and have just been attending every theology group I can find and talking to every Christian I come across and I also read the entire KJV and many related books including The Pilgrim's Progress, Basic Theology by Charles C. Ryrie, various sermons by Charles Spurgeon, George Mueller, Stephen Charnock, and others.

In this time I have found the following:

1. The Omnisentience or Love of God. This loving aspect of God is particularly revealed in the Bible and in Christianity in a way it is not in other religions.

2. The Grace of God. That by his grace, we unworthy sinners, might be saved.

This changed my concept of God from a blind and uncaring God (a demiurge) to one that I might actually develop a person and involved relationship with and receive his blessings.

Now it has been strongly emphasized to me many times over that "not by works shall you be saved but by faith". I have hardly come across any Christians suggesting that good works might save me and besides that I find it hard to believe that we could be justified before God in doing good works when he knows what our nature and our intentions are. Good works must flow out of a good nature, we must be made righteous, and then we will be guided by the holy spirit the rest of our life.

I am struggling however very hard with the concept of salvation still. I am trying to understand what is to be saved and how my faith is to be formulated. I do not want to have the wrong kind of faith but the genuine saving faith which is pleasing to God. Regarding what is to be saved I have been told various things such as "the spirit", "the soul", and "the whole man (all 3 parts of the trinity)". My own opinion was that the spirit is perfect, the body doesn't need saving, and the soul of man is what is to be saved. However I have seen it preached that the whole man will be saved, that all 3 parts will be in some way renewed or redeemed. I am still seeking clarity concerning the divisions between soul and spirit and I have some idea of it but I plan to study The Existence and Attributes of God by Stephen Charnock and the writings of Jonathon Edwards that I might find further clarity. To the spirit I assign the will, the self, awareness, divinity, eternity, etc. and I also use "divine spark" as synonymous with spirit. To the soul I assign the mind of a man, memories, personality, the astral body, etc. I find also that in every trinity there are two polarities and then one unifying principle, so I must see the spirit as unifying principle between body and mind (soul), in the same way "heat" or "temperature" is the principle that unifies hot and cold (opposite polarities).

Concerning salvation also it is said in the Bible I think that I will receive "eternal Life". Now I know myself to be an eternal being one way or another, either destined for an eternity in hell, or an eternity in heaven… at least according to the concept of many Christians. While I am not yet convinced that one can be kept in either of these two "places" forever, it is somewhat irrelevant. What I really want to understand is what is meant by Life.

I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life

I want to understand the fullness of what that life means. I have long been thinking about what is life, not in a biological sense where you merely point at living things and say that is life, but as that principle of vitality which sets apart a dead thing from a living thing, and which when present in abundance seems to bring the organism into its full potential of expression, and which heals sickness. Last night after much thinking about it I have arrived at "the will to power", that maybe vitality is brought about by expelling all impulses contrary to ones full expression of life, that one must feel an intense desire in every part of their being for life-expression. Maybe that is it. If anyone has a better way to explain life-activity do tell.

So maybe to put my faith in the Christ I must let go all entropy, of all things which stagnate and weigh down my soul, and enter into the fullness of life thereby. I must be as one whose heart yearns for life and more life and makes no room for the contrary.

If you are a Christian who is saved please tell me anon how it is that you know you are saved and how I might also be saved. It is at present a tremendously complicated matter for me.

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'McJesus' Sculpture Causes Violent Clash In Israel…

3 officers wounded as hundreds of Arab Christians try to forcibly enter Israeli museum during demonstration against depiction of Ronald McDonald on a cross

http://archive.today/2019.01.12-172327/https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-christians-in-violent-clash-with-police-in-haifa-over-mcjesus-sculpture/

Hundreds of Arab Christian demonstrators clashed with police in Haifa on Friday over a museum’s display of a sculpture depicting Ronald McDonald, the mascot of the fast-food giant, on a cross, amid calls to remove the artwork that some have called offensive. An investigation was opened to identify the rock-throwers, and a 32-year-old resident of the city was arrested on suspicion of attacking officers.

Video from the demonstration showed scuffles as police used tear gas and stun grenades to clear the protesters. One of the protesters complained that the government was slow to react to their concerns because they were from the Christian minority. “If they put up [a sculpture of] Hitler with a Torah scroll they would immediately respond,” he told the Walla news site. Ahead of the protest, police deployed officers from its Special Patrol Unit to guard the museum after a molotov cocktail was thrown at the museum on Thursday.

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Rumors of Elder Ephraim warning of a North American disaster?

This was recently found in a magazine, but it's questionable in its authenticity.

https://www.marturisireaortodoxa.ro/parintele-efrem-filotheitul-si-a-trimis-ucenicii-acasa-spunandu-le-urmeaza-sa-se-intample-ceva-foarte-rau-pe-continentul-nord-american/

>Father Archimandrite Efrem Filotheite, 91, who pastored several monasteries in the Holy Mountain of Athos, moved from 2005 to the United States and founded 17 Orthodox monasteries according to the Athonite order. He was a Disciple of St. Joseph the Ishast, and now lives in the Saint Anthony the Great Monastery in Arizona, being an improved confessor. What did the Holy Father Efrem Philotheitus do this year? Let's pay attention to the significance of the facts: he urgently sent home his European disciples who are in America. "Home" means in Romania and Greece. From what I understand there are over 1,000 apprentices in this situation. They did not initially want to leave, but the Old Man called them and revealed a discovery he had, namely that something very bad is going to happen on the North American continent, after which he gave them parental command to move to the countries where they come from. "But with you what will happen?" They asked him. "I will soon die here," he answered them. But you are going away today. " Most of them returned to their native places. One of the returnees unveiled this news somewhat anxious. Together with them and Father Ephraim, let us all pray!

>The "Orthodox Faith" magazine in December 2018.

Thoughts?

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>*clinks spoon on glass repeatedly to slice through the sounds of cacophonous conversation*

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen! Good evening! Thank you all for coming out to my thread tonight. Your collective presence has made this little soiree of mine quite special. Now, as to the reason for why I've gathered you all here. I would like to propose a toast…to the Moderators!

>*murmurs of confusion travel like an ocean wave through the crowd of anons gathered around me*

Yes, the Moderators! There is nobody on this board I feel is more deserving of a few words of appreciation than our dear old mods. They works tirelessly every day and every night, spending every waking second of their lives on this site. They deletes post fit for no anon's viewing and removes the rapscallions responsible. He doesn't even ask for monetary compensation despite working all day, but does it simply because he wants /christian/ to be the best possible version of itself it can be.

And who gets to enjoy the fruits of dear mods hard labor? We all do, of course! Without the sweet old mods, /christian/ would be inundated with off-topic shitposts about politics and alcoholic circlejerking and other unbecoming topics that have no place on a religious imageboard for gentlemen. So here is a sincere declaration of thankfulness…to the Moderators.

>*raises glass of finely aged pinot grigio in the air for a few moments before bringing it down to my lips*

But seriously folks, FÚCK NlGGERS!

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Pro-Christian Anime/Manga

Are there good anime and manga which present Christianity in a positive light? Bonus points for anime not taking place in modern day, like fantasy, scifi, and whatnot.

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Let why bad thing happen

Inspiring philosophy posted a video about the answer to the problem of evil.

What do you guys think?

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Wou would be the pharisees today?

Or who is acting in the same manner in your opinion?

Try to elaborate

In the Orthodox

>old calendarists or the ones of the old calendar who are getting over-sensitive about it

It's like those guys religion is the calendar anymore. They can attack other Christians for the calendar

>Pastor Anderson and his cult

LARPs as saved by God, curses and damns people to hell like he's some kind of God's right hand

>/christian/

No comment

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Exorcism boom: 'Mushrooming' demand to liberate from demonic forces…

From Cameroon to the United States, Catholics are seeking liberation from demonic forces

https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/driving-out-the-devil-whats-behind-the-exorcism-boom/

As of the past few decades, it is clear that Catholic clergy are witnessing a mushrooming demand for exorcisms. An astonishing number of people undergo deliverance from demonic forces every week, not only in the developing world but also in Britain and the United States. Pope Francis, who regularly speaks about the Devil, has told priests that they “should not hesitate” to call on exorcists if they hear confessions or see behaviour indicating satanic activity. Just a few months into his pioneering pontificate, Francis himself performed an informal exorcism on a man in a wheelchair in St Peter’s Square. The youngster had been brought by a Mexican priest who presented him as demon-possessed. The Pope intently laid two hands upon the man’s head, clearly concentrating on driving out the demons. The first Latin American Pope advocates exorcism as a potent weapon for doing battle against the Enemy and his legions. Like most of his fellow Latin Americans, Francis regards the Devil as a real figure who sows discord and destruction in the world.

Last April, the Vatican organised an exorcism workshop in Rome. More than 250 priests from 51 countries assembled to learn the latest techniques to exorcise demonic spirits. Alongside the usual spiritual paraphernalia of holy water, Bible and crucifix was a new addition: the mobile phone, in keeping with the global technological zeitgeist, for long-distance exorcisms. Exorcism is, of course, an ancient feature of the Catholic faith. It was an essential part of early Catholicism. Deliverance from demons fell within the purview of holy individuals, both living and dead, and had no particular formalities attached. In the Middle Ages, exorcisms altered, becoming more indirect. Frequently spiritual intermediaries such as salt, oil and water were used. Later, the holiness of saints and their shrines, deemed capable of miracles, began to take precedence over actual exorcisms. In the medieval era exorcism became a marginal practice, morphing from an ecstatic performance to a liturgical rite involving priestly authority. During the Reformation, as the Catholic Church struggled with Protestant attacks and internal divisions, its practices came under the spotlight. Exorcism was consequently reclassified and subject to stringent methods as the Church sought to establish strict criteria of diagnosis and canonical legitimacy. Legality came to the fore. Questions arose regarding who had the authority and legitimacy to exorcise. The Catholic Church began to restrict who could perform exorcisms.

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After 24 Years, Scholar Completes 3,000-Page Translation Of The Hebrew Bible

For 24 years, literary scholar Robert Alter has been working on a new translation of the Hebrew Bible and — "this may shock some of your listeners," he warns — he's been working on it by hand.

"I'm very particular — I write on narrow-lined paper and I have a Cross mechanical pencil," he says.

The result is a three-volume set — a translation with commentary — that runs over 3,000 pages.

Working solo for so long on a project of this magnitude can take its toll, he says: "If you keep going verse by verse, looking at the commentary and wrestling with difficult words and so forth, you can get a little batty."

Alter says it was the "very high level of artistry" in the language of the Bible that drew him to the massive undertaking. "The existing English versions simply didn't do justice to the literary beauty of the Hebrew," he says.

As he worked, Alter found himself removing "Christological references" in the existing English translations.

"In trying to be faithful to the literary art of the Hebrew Bible I certainly edged it away from being merely a precursor to the New Testament — which is a different kind of writing all together," he says.

Take, for example, the word "soul" — you won't find it in Alter's translation.

"That's because the Hebrew word translated very often as 'soul' means something like 'life breath,' " Alter explains. "It's a very physical thing and there is no concept among the biblical writers in a split between body and soul. So I got rid of the soul."

He also changed the wording in Psalm 23 — "thou anointest my head with oil," is what you'll find in the King James translation. "But the Hebrew verb does not mean 'to anoint,' " Alter says. "The word that's actually used by the psalmist means 'to make luxuriant' — something like that. It's a very physical word. So after wrestling with other alternatives … I ended up saying 'you moisten my head with oil.' "

Alter also tried to imitate the rhythm of the original — which was a challenge because Hebrew is a much more compact language than English.

"Words squeeze together," Alter says. For example, in English it takes three words to say "he saw him." But in Hebrew it takes just one. "You know it's 'he' in the way the verb is conjugated, and then there's a little suffix at the end of the verb that tells you it's 'him.' "

Alter also tried to steer clear of words with a lot of syllables — you don't find many of those in biblical Hebrew, he says — and he omitted words that felt extraneous.

Alter points to one example in Psalm 30: The King James translation uses the phrase "What profit is there in my blood?" Alter removed "is there" to leave: "What profit in my blood?" Which he says is much closer to the rhythm of the Hebrew.

Alter always makes an audio recording of his work before handing it off to the transcriber — that way he hears everything out loud.

Of course, some day down the road another translator will come along and attempt to improve on his work.

"A translator of a great work is delusional if he or she thinks that there aren't places where the translation falls down," Alter says. He imagines this future translator will say: "That's awkward. I can see he's trying to get the literal sense of the Hebrew, but it sounds goofy in English and I can do better than that."

http://archive.fo/yllVO

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Weed is a sin.

If you are using marijuana you creating a negative impact on your spiritual life.

This is a drug. It is a drug that ruins your mind. Stop using it.

Sincerely, an ex-user.

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Young adults dropping out of church in large numbers…

Large numbers of young adults who frequently attended Protestant worship services in high school are dropping out of church.

http://archive.today/2019.01.15-235133/https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/religion/2019/01/15/lifeway-research-survey-says-young-adults-dropping-out-church/2550997002/

Two-thirds of young people say they stopped regularly going to church for at least a year between the ages of 18 and 22, a new LifeWay Research survey shows. That means the church had a chance to share its message and the value of attending with this group, but it didn't stick, said Scott McConnell, executive director of LifeWay Research. "That's a lot of folks saying, 'No, that's not for me' or 'It's not for me right now' at that young age," McConnell said. LifeWay Research released its student dropout survey on Tuesday. The Nashville-based entity interviewed 2,002 U.S. adults ages 23 to 30 who attended a Protestant church two times or more a month for at least a year in high school. The interviews were conducted from Sept. 15 to Oct. 13, 2017. LifeWay Research is a ministry of LifeWay Christian Resources, which is the publishing arm of the Southern Baptist Convention.

The high dropout did not surprise Pastor Chris Brooks, who leads the Kairos congregation at Brentwood Baptist Church in Brentwood, Tenn. The majority of those who attend Kairos' Tuesday night service are between the ages of 22 and 29. "There is a substantial amount of people in this age demographic who for whatever reason decided that the church is no longer integral to building their faith or their faith is no longer integral to them," Brooks said. He loves young adults. They are selfish, but also still trying to figure out who they are and what they want to do, Brooks said. It leads to lively and challenging discussions at church, which he welcomes. "It's identity and purpose, which are common themes throughout the Bible," Brooks said. "And, they're becoming aware of do they like the God that they were given growing up?"

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Amish?

Thoughts on the Amish?

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Discerning Christian Here

Hey, don't really want to clog up the board here but figured I might as well ask, and it's probably worthy of its own thread, especially since it might help others. Basically just looking for advice on what denom. to join, so just skip to the end if you don’t want my full background and the dilemma I’m dealing with here.

I've been a discerning Christian for about a year and a half. I started out by getting into esotericism and occultism (never actually believing in it, it was more of an interest/hobby and I didn't practice anything with it) and I started to look into Christianity as it all felt incomplete and it sort of opened up a door out of new atheist-tier thinking. That along with watching Jordan Peterson stuff and that non-literal / Jungian kind of understanding helped me get to where I am now.

I've had several religious experiences and all kinds of strange happenings in my life that have made me amenable to religion, specifically the Christian religion, but I'm still pretty much unsure as to which denomination is correct. I've gone through lots of apologetics and I would say I have a beginners understanding (or more) of most of the major denominations, but I've been unable to discern which is the best through rational means as well as through prayer and fasting, nothing has really yielded any clear signs to me.

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Can someone explain Christianity to me as if you're talking to a Tabula Rasa or blank slate with no prior knowledge? I don't understand how any of it fits together into one coherent system. Why do I need God? Why is sin even a problem for anyone? What's with all the liturgical church services and prayers if Jesus saves me from sin? How can I carry on sinning if Baptism brings me the Holy Spirit? What's the point of it all anyway?

Like what I need is the ultimate 101 that's structured, linear and explains everything including the beginning, Jesus, me and the future etc. Please don't just give fragments, explain it all like you were talking to an Alien. Thank you.

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Leaving Politics Behind In 2018

Who else here is turning over a new leaf in 2019 and leaving politics behind?

I got swept up into politics during 2013 because of /pol/ and by 2016 I was fully on board for rooting in the election.

Ever since then I've noticed changes in myself which I find unpleasant and I want to leave them behind.

I've always had an acute awareness of avoiding politics because I wanted to put Jesus Christ first and not men.

And for a while there I lost sight of one of our principle values - "You cannot serve two masters, for you love one and despise the other."

Satan had the ability to hand over all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus Christ because it's satan who lays hand upon the key to this worldly domain.

I have no want to fix the world any longer with my own will - I just want to be a good citizen sheep and keep my head down and let justice be served to the wicked and tyrannical systems via our God.

There are many things which are out of my control and to try to control those things would be futile.

Over the past two years - I tried desperately attempting to alter the course of our future by writing books which were political in nature. This was all an attempt to reignite the fire of Christianity in the hearts of Americans and to bring about a reformation to our current economic situation in America be refining it with Christian ethics.

I also had prayed to see changes in the tyranny laced underpinnings of our modern federal systems.

I fear my attempts have been in vain.

I come from a long line of American patriots and felt it my solemn duty to uphold the Christian values my forefathers clung to - I am still very much at a heart a grandson of liberty - however I can no longer feel any lowly form of pride upon gazing at the American flag - a nation which prospers off of sin and promotes degeneracy.

I have raised my white flag in the realm of satan and now rest in the hands of our Righteous Creator.

Please pray for me and post scriptures to help heal my broken soul.

I'm trying my best to become peaceful and to leave my anger behind me.

I must now guide my soul, mind and body back towards being a keeper of peace in Jesus Christ instead of a rebellious rable-rouser - however noble my cause.

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Self-Improvement General

I declare open this thread, as a guide to self development in the path of the superior christian man we all strive to be.

Make it like the other cyclical threads, so that we may all post about any recommendations and question we may have, about self improvement as human, not necessarily related to religion, but about leading a proper christian life.

Also, it is noted in various resources of the type, how its important for men to keep regular friendship with equally strong men, where we can brutally honest with each other, and find out if we were being lazy, false and just complacent about some objective or our path in life. So may we make this also a space where you share your plans, open and truthfully so others may judge if you're being honest with yourself on your purpose. Give updates and feedback so that we all may grow on our own.

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Can prayer be too Christocentric? I found myself not praying to the Father or the Holy Spirit at all (unless it's "Our Father"/"Glory be" in the rosary) but always turning to Christ. Is it wrong to ignore the rest of the Trinity?

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>extra ecclesium nulla salus

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Orthodox General

Purpose

This thread is to help all the Orthodox anons on this board to gather their thoughts, uplift each other, share edifying materials, and ask important questions.

Glory be to God in all things.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Useful Links

Ancient Faith Radio: http://www.ancientfaith.com/

OrthodoxWiki: https://orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page

Canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0835/_INDEX.HTM

The Orthodox Church in America: https://oca.org/

Orthodox Christianity (a site that hosts articles predominantly written by clergy): http://orthochristian.com/

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Christian chants

Regardless of whether it's Gregorian chants or chants by the Valaam monastery choir or if something obscure, post your favourites!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmj7wLUF-gk&fbclid=IwAR2LtIYgr8wjQ8cgxLv3N-V6yvQyIkNsvTV1U1pXGH4BK0YtdLkzd6zFnN4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_4WWf9MT9s

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What do you thinkabout E M Jones?

Have you read some of his books?

What is your opinion on the guy?

I plan to read Libido Dominandi and perhaps Barren Metal.if I am able to get it.

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How strong is the connection between Christ and the modern church, objectively? I have no doubt that the church fathers acted out of their best intentions when writing the synoptic Gospels, but textual evidence as well as biblical scholarship seem to suggest that a number of heresies, such as adoptionism, may have had support in the earliest recorded scripture, or at least what survived of it. Is there any evidence that strongly suggests that the teachings of Christ were not abrogated or corrupted by the time of the first Council of Nicaea?

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Catholics Urged to Avoid Touching as Flu Spreads…

Church officials in New Mexico and Pennsylvania say parishioners should get less personal to avoid getting sick.

http://archive.today/2019.01.15-183227/https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/archdiocese-of-santa-fe-urging-no-touching-amid-flu-outbreak/1702989844

"BLESS YOU, BUT KEEP your hands to yourself." That's the message some Catholic parishioners are getting from officials hoping to curb the spread of the flu. In New Mexico, the Archdiocese of Santa Fe said Monday that parishioners should limit touching during Mass, including by not holding hands during prayer and simply nodding during the sign of peace instead of shaking hands or hugging. Only the consecrated bread will be administered during the sacrament of Holy Communion, the archdiocese said. It also encouraged anyone who is experiencing symptoms such as sneezing or coughing to watch a televised Sunday Mass from the comfort of home.

"It is not a sin to miss Mass on Sundays if you are ill," the archdiocese said in a statement. "These directives will be revoked when the situation improves." The guidance comes in light of widespread influenza activity in New Mexico, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. As of late December, the New Mexico Department of Health had reported four adult deaths connected to the flu so far this season. Church advice and directives affecting the faithful haven't been limited to this flu season alone, nor to New Mexico. In another state also listed as having widespread flu activity by the CDC, the Diocese of Allentown in Pennsylvania said the exchange of the sign of peace and the option of drinking wine from the chalice during Holy Communion would be suspended in its 84 parishes.

"This suspension will begin with the Vigil and Sunday Masses the weekend of January 12-13, and will be in effect until the incidence of influenza subsides in our region," a statement from the diocese said. The Morning Call reports that Pennsylvania had experienced 9,268 laboratory-confirmed influenza cases since October in 66 of its 67 counties, including 10 adult deaths. Up to 7.3 million Americans have been sickened with the flu so far this season, according to the latest CDC estimates.

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Purity Thread/NoFap

27 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 1 Corinthians 6:19

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Galatians 6:8

Post your Purity successes/woes/prayer requests/ etc.

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How Do You Pray?

Can someone give me examples of what you say to yourself when you pray?

I was raised Catholic and when I got older I went into phases of doing The Rosary, but I think prayer should consist of ideas you think of on the fly.

With toxic websites I feel like I'm being pulled down into their scuminess, and I instead want turn my thoughts to higher ideals.

I don't have any friends; when I was young I used to name everyone I knew from school and ask for the best for them, but now I can't even do that.

So can you guys give me some examples?

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Is it orthodox to believe everything in the universe is already determined, that every action I will ever take is already foreordained and that everything little thing that ever happens is already set in order because God designed to world to be the best of all possible worlds and no better world than the one we live in can exist because it's illogical, yet at the same time because I am an independent conscious being with my own internal motives I still have free will because I'm not a robot? Is this orthodox?

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I don't mean to start another anti Reddit thread but I am truly convinced that r/Christianity isn't even Christianity.

Like it blatantly denies "offensive" doctrine.

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What do you guys think about Common Filth?

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Self improvement

What are you doing to improve yourself?

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What did he mean by this?

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Do you pay for all of your anime? Surely piracy is a sin. (Romans 13:1-2)

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>Tranny propaganda & gnosticism done more damage to Chris-Chan than the years of trolling

He went from angry weirdo too someone who’s legit dangerous thanks to LGBT bullshit. Chris-Chan should be a warning to everyone.

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Hidden christian Kino

>Humilated the devil

>Befriended the angel of death

>Canon that Bill & Ted were chosen by God to Help bring peace to the world

>Overthrowing a humanist Darwinist-dictator in the future

>Pro traditional family values and marriage

>canon that Bill & Ted think homosexuality is disgusting

>Series ends with God gave rock and roll too you

Unironically. Are bill and Ted one of the most Christian film series?

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IFB DRUG, PROSTITUTION, & SCHISM

The start of the collapse of the New IFB movement began Jan. 2, 2019

Has any Christanons followed the political drama in the IFB schism? Total melt down with Pastor Anderson and his followers:

- Accusations of embezzlement of funds

- 3 churches have split

- Anderson not Arizona but now in TX

- Pastor Romero stepped down after his wife confronted him about gambling and seeing prostitutes while visiting his satellite church in Jacksonville

- Pastor Jimenez has gone radio silent trying to save his church from being drug into the scandal

- Outside forensic accountant brought in to IFB to check the books

- Members calling Anderson the Pope of the New IFB

- Anderson has set himself as Pope in the New IFB movement after a scandal of drugs and prostitution broke out with a man his is close to. He is replacing pastors, locking bank accounts, causing schisms over doctrine and trying to silence dissent

- Anderson is getting exposed his corruption is about to be exposed

- FBI to be involved looking into his churches in TX, CA and AZ

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Discord

I can't access the /christian/ discord link, can someone invite me?

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May God bless His saints

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY3N_wf28UI

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Is free will still alive?

You know what I think? We are a point in history where there is very little, or practically no free will in our youger generation. They have been so brainwashed and programed that they are bascially robots.

We are at a point where God is so far from people's conscious (not just the youth) that they really don't have free will. They are completely controlled. Free thought is, and has been, under attack.

I believe we are on the fast track to the end. May the Lord come quickly.

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Christ and fixing countries

Do you think Christianity can help the condition and iq of my race and country (Pakistan).

Honestly I think that my country can remain Muslim, but a lot of self discipline and moderation is required to building a good foundation. Probably through military training and boot camp at a young age.

But what do you think is better, change of religion to Christianity or remaining the same religion but just better common sense.

I mean a lot of other muslim countries were pretty modern and decent in the 1960's like afghanistan, syria and etc.

Maybe one day Pakistan will become like that, (if there were no rothschild and etc to stop it).

>pic not related

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QTDDTOT

Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

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Narrative Media and Sin

Does one sin if they comsume media that contains sin within it? Presume for this case that it does not get in the way of their Sunday obligation, times of prayer, etc. For example, if a character within a film uses a profanity, not gratuitously but simply for the sake of characterization, is it a sin to watch said film? I have heard many different answers for this. They include but are not limited to

>It’s only sinful if you watch it for the intention of seeing displays of sin.

>It’s only sinful if it take’s the Lord’s name in vain.

>It’s only sinful if the overarching message of the media promotes sin.

>It’s only sinful if you feel you are being occasioned to sin or you are weak of will and it is affecting you.

>It’s always sinful if you consume media that contains any form of sin.

I’m really confused as to which is the correct answer. What is the rule you all follow for this? Sources are appreciated (any sect/denomination is welcome, I’ll refrain from stating my own to prevent flame wars).

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The Mission movie

My fellow christian brothers and I will watch this movie in the parish after mass.

I know that the director Roland Joffe is jewish and atheist, but anyways the movie is fun and such.

Have anyone watched it?

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What do you think?

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Books general

What books are you reading at the moment?

What are you up to?

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How does Steven Anderson and other pastors make money?

https://youtu.be/NhJ7b47hXvA

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What would a Pastor Anderson presidency look like?

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Why are almost all bans permanent now? How come the mods never tell us anything anymore? Sorry I am just confused over how bans work now. Please don't ban me I am sorry if this goes against your sensibilities mods I am not trying to this is just a question so please show Christ loving mercy and just don't ban me for asking this. Please.

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Are audiobooks while reading the Bible ok?

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HRE

Do you consider the Holy Roman Empire to be Roman?

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Gospel music

post gospel music

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Dealing with oscillating faith

My entire experience so far with faith is that literally one day I wake up I feel very close to God and can feel the Holy Spirit inside me, but the next day I feel cold, and empty, and don't feel God in my life.

How should I deal with this as a Christian?

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Pro-Life Propaganda Thread

The March for Life is on Friday, January 18. I think it'd be good for us to manufacture some designs for it considering it's a decently large, normal-friendly event.

All designs are welcome, but some things should be considered. I've spoken to someone who had a miscarriage concerning the topic. She is pro-life but said that the billboards that said "your child could've grown up to be this" reminded her of her miscarriage, so I would avoid stuff that inadvertently alienates people who aren't considering abortion (of course don't be a spineless doormat though). The ends do not justify the means.

Anyways, have fun designing propaganda, and see you at the march!

https://marchforlife.org/

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Slippery Slope gonna Slippery Slope

Vid related.

Whelp, the Satanic inversion of God's order by Marxists has finally come to the point that most of us have been seeing coming from a mile away:

>So gender dysphoric that you want to irreversibly chemically and physically mutilate yourself until you become a twisted facsimile of the opposite sex = Beautiful! Stunning! Brave!

>Be straight male = mental illness according to the American Psychological Association.

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Why is Vatican 2 so controversial?

Some even say it is CIA puppetry?

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Russian Patriarch Warns 'Antichrist' Will Control Humans Through Gadgets…

The church leader stressed that “if we don’t want to bring the apocalypse closer, there should be no single [control and access] center.”

http://archive.today/2019.01.08-162905/https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-patriarch-warns-antichrist-will-control-humans-through-gadgets-64060

The leader of the Russian Orthodox Church has said that humans’ dependence on modern technology will result in the coming of the Antichrist. In an interview with Russian state media, Patriarch Kirill explained he does not entirely oppose gadgets, but warned against “falling into slavery” to smartphones. Patriarch Kirill said that the collection of user data including “location, interests and fears” will make it possible for humans to be controlled by external forces.

“Control from a single point is a harbinger of the coming of the Antichrist,” Kirill told the state-run Rossia-1 TV network on Orthodox Christmas Monday. “The Antichrist is a personality that will be at the head of the world wide web controlling the entire human race. Thus, the structure itself presents a danger,” he said. The church leader stressed that “if we don’t want to bring the apocalypse closer, there should be no single [control and access] center.”

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I have been jacking off ever since I was exposed to pornography at 13, I am 22 now and this is still my biggest and most agregious folly against the Lord. To a myriad of degenerate material over the years I have been indulging, I want to be rid of it. Every time I do it I pray to the Lord for forgiveness and help from this disease but I go right back and spit on the blessing’s I’ve been given and I go back and do it again and again. Please help me brothers, how do I stay away from the lusts that drive me to pornography and eschew this from my life, I fear my spiritual integrity and limp dick.

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(Conservative High Church) Anglicanism and Orthodoxy

Are there any conservative high church Anglicans here? I would be surprised if you are still part of the Anglican Communion. You are probably one of the various splinter groups that rejects gay marriage, gay and women priests, and other errors.

Have you heard of Western Rite Orthodoxy? I have, and that is what I prefer. Although I do not have an Anglican heritage, many Western Rite Orthodox do. In fact, one can argue that most Western Rite Orthodox are former Anglicans. Many Western Rite Orthodox even argue that this is the fulfillment of Anglicanism: in their historiography, the English Church was Orthodox/Catholic prior to the Norman Invasion, at which point the English church was essentially held captive until reborn during the reformation. In one view, we see Anglicanism as existing in parallel with Orthodoxy in the rejection of the Pope and the conservative consideration of only seven ecumenical councils.

http://www.holycatholicanglican.org/about_us.php

http://www.holycatholicanglican.org/resources/great_schism.php

Those articles are by an Anglican website.

On the other hand, we see Anglicans converting to Western Rite Orthodox as "returning" to their Orthodox past. In this conception, the English church was Orthodox until the Norman Invasion. Western Rite Orthodox, largely using Anglican materials, thus provides Anglicans with the pre-Norman Orthodox English Church.

https://www.icxc.ca/history.html

That article is by a Western Rite Orthodox Church.

The two appear to be very similar: conservative high-church Anglicans and Western Rite Orthodox.

I am curious how such Anglicans can justify being Anglican compared to entering Western Rite Orthodoxy.

Surely you would not attempt to lure me, a Western Rite Orthodoxy, away from this global communion to be part of your splinter group, yes?

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So was Judas destined for be forever damned? Because Jesus says it would be have been better for him to be damned. Did God just create Judas a pawn for atonement? But wait, if God wanted Jesus to die, then didn't Judas do a good thing? I'm highly confused right now. Help.

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So how did the Old Testament religion get turned into (((Judaism))). Specifically, where is the root that corrupted Old Testament Christianity into the abomination that became the Pharisees' religion?

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How is matter not evil?

I understand the world was created good, but since the fall, (regardless whether you believe it to be literal or not so literal), how is matter itself not inherently evil? I know its a rather gn*stic point of view, but I can't help but seeing that to be true and everything of humanism to be false.

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Monastic

Has anyone here ever lived in a monastery? If so, what was life like?

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https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/an-faq-on-mysticism-and-the-christian-life/

What do you guys think about christian mysticism? For me it makes absolute sense so I wonder why I never heard about this in my RCC. God wants us to know him as much as we possibly can and he knows in his infinite and perfect wisdom that for many pepole the bible just isnt enough. He wants us to completely clear our minds and patiently wait for his guidance focusing on the fact that he actually lives in all of us. This is the most simple and most effective way to truly know him.

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https://youtu.be/UVMBi2Bhdnk

https://youtu.be/UVMBi2Bhdnk

The absolute state of the west. This is retarded. Pop Christianity… Christianity lite… whatever it is, these people have taken the bite out of life by literally trivializing and laughing over the crucifixion. You think the guy reading this shit on camera or anyone involved would be willing to suffer for their faith, sacrifice themselves, or serve real penance? This is emberrassing. What do we do about this?

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https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/an-faq-on-mysticism-and-the-christian-life/

What do you guys think about christian mysticism? For me it makes absolute sense so I wonder why I never heard about this in my RCC. God wants us to know him as much as we possibly can and he knows in his infinite and perfect wisdom that for many pepole the bible just isnt enough. He wants us to completely clear our minds and patiently wait for his guidance focusing on the fact that he actually lives in all of us. This is the most simple and most effective way to truly know him.

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why did God give me a learning disorder?

I can't swim, tie my shoes, do anything. God also wants me to interact with humans but humans have a natural need to weed out the weak of their herd. Even animals can tell that I am weak because they bully me at the zoo. Why did God make me so winnie the pooh pathetic?

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is tattoos bad?

What you guys think about tattoos?

inb4

Leviticus 19:28

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Love your enemy

What does it mean to love our enemy?

All my enemies are the worst kinds of cheaters and backstabbers. Are we supposed to love Jews our enemy the way we love God?

Thanks in advance for letting me post and replying to my thread everyone

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Post when you were saved and post the earliest you could of been saved

When I was saved: July 2009

Earliest I could of been saved: Age 15

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Christianity is so hard to learn and be a part of when you never grew up with it and everyone is an Athiest.

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Lost a reading list

So I remember finding a pic of a reading list guide here and I've accidentally deleted it. It had 6 colomns: Christian, Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Catholic-Orthodox, Catholic-Protestant and Orthodox-Protestant. Anyone got it?

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Converting from the denomination of your family.

I was raised Southern Baptist. After much research, I can no longer get behind much of what the denomination believes/supports. I believe Mary is to be venerated and I believe that portrayals of the Lord Christ are not to be condemned; I'm thinking of converting to SSPX. However, I don't want to break the news to my family, particularly my staunchly Baptist grandparents. I love them, but I also will always have problems with the SBC. Do you have experience with anything similar? I appreciate your responses.

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Celibacy

So, I'm planning on becoming celibate but I feel as though my reasons for being so might not be 100% ok. I've been a incel khhv all my life and never had a woman interested in me. Even know I still have people only really associate with me out of pity. At church people are genuinely nice to me but deep down I know they really just wanna get away from me. Even my pastor doesn't really wanna talk to be. I'm not too offended, although servilely hurt, since I can be really annoying and Inquisitive and it can get to the point that he just doesn't want to answer any more of my autistic questions.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm just intrinsically bad. If I start a new job I'm the first to be hated even if I don't speak, if I join a new church I'm the outcast, if I try to join some club I'm the re-ject. It's all become so tiresome and I can't help it.

A couple days back I finally made peace with this truth. I'm not gonna beat myself up chasing something I can't get. I won't suffer and so I decided to become celibate. It's the only choice I really have and I don't see any other option. I know that this might not be a biblical or Christian reason to become celibate but I feel like I have no other choice. What else is a pathetic piece of gay shit like myself gonna do? I'm only hurting myself more if I try any harder. Might as well quit now.

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If your church teaches that unbaptized infants go to Heaven you are a heretic

CANON 110 OF THE COUNCIL OF CARTHAGE (419) - ratified by the Council in Trullo and the 2nd Council of Nicea

>Likewise it seemed good that whosoever denies that infants newly from their mother's wombs should be baptized, or says that baptism is for remission of sins, but that they derive from Adam no original sin, which needs to be removed by the laver of regeneration, from whence the conclusion follows, that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins, is to be understood as false and not true, let him be anathema.

>For no otherwise can be understood what the Apostle says, By one man sin has come into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed upon all men in that all have sinned, than the Catholic Church everywhere diffused has always understood it. For on account of this rule of faith (regulam fidei) even infants, who could have committed as yet no sin themselves, therefore are truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that what in them is the result of generation may be cleansed by regeneration.

>Also it seemed good, that if anyone should say that the saying of the Lord, "In my Father's house are many mansions" is to be understood as meaning that in the kingdom of heaven there will be a certain middle place, or some place somewhere, in which infants live in happiness who have gone forth from this life without baptism, without which they cannot enter the kingdom of heaven, which is eternal life, let him be anathema. For after our Lord has said: "Unless a man be born again of water and of the Holy Spirit he shall not enter the kingdom of heaven," what Catholic can doubt that he who has not merited to be coheir with Christ shall become a sharer with the devil: for he who fails of the right hand without doubt shall receive the left hand portion.

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Knowing that the doctrine of the Trinity does not originate from Judaism, how did it begin to be spread among the primitive Christians and how did it become doctrine?

Pic not related.

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Shared Ground of the Apostolic Churches

>not getting over your collective autism and accepting both Churches are valid, and that even the Assyrian Church of the East has been found to not have Nestorianism like everyone thinks and that we have essentially patched up all the holes between the Catholics, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Assyrian Church of the East but no one wants to accept that because as the recent Ukraine situation in the Orthodox Church and the recent situation with the Catholic Church in Brazil prove we are far too focused on politics and "muh land"

Saint Seraphim Sarov (who was considered a Saint by St. Pope John Paul II and Venerable Pope Pius XII if I might add) said in his prophecies on the End Times that we would have an 8th Ecumenical Council and that the Churches would reunite in one last stand against the Freemasons, Jacobites, and the Jews.

https://russian-faith.com/famous-russian-saint-predicts-end-world-prophecies-st-seraphim-sarov-n1550

Shall we also not forget that across all 4 Churches, our Saints herald the coming of a Great Catholic Monarch?

>the legend of Saint Constantine XI being roused from the grave and coming to lead Constantinople to greatness once again.

>The Book of the Bee by ACOE Saint Solomon of Akhlat has an entire section dedicated to this Catholic Monarch who will come and destroy the Muslim hordes

>Saint Elder Paisos predicted similarly that a Great Monarch will come to free Constantinople and destroy the Muslim Hordes

>Blessed Anne Emmerich predicted the same of a Great Catholic Monarch as well as many other mystics such as Saint Hildegard von Bingen and Saint Bridget of Sweden

If that is not enough for you, let us also consider that other than the ACOE because of their unfortunate Nestorian roots, the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox Churches all share a collective form of the Rosary, asking the Mother of God to intercede for us. See the 3 links below to direct references and understanding of them, that being the Dominican Rosary, the Rule of Theotokos, and the Mequteria:

https://www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

http://orthodoxlifemagazines.blogspot.com/2018/06/1982-2-journey-to-diveyevo-1926.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/982831/posts

https://citydesert.wordpress.com/2018/01/29/the-mequteria/

What more do we need? What about in regards to Saints? The Roman Catholic Church canonizing Saint Sergius of Radozveh and Saint Seraphim Sarov, or the Eastern Orthodox Church canonizing Saint Stephen of Hungary? How about both of these Churches canonizing the Ethiopian Saints Tekle Haymanot and Saint Kaleb of Axum? How about the fact that we also venerate ACOE Saints collectively such as Saint Isaac the Syrian and Saint Aba I?

I can keep going forever brothers. We are not as divided as the overarching Oligarchy wants you to believe. We must realize that we have a common ground and as Apostolic Brothers, unite together! Threads like this need to stop, we need far more unity than division.

Let us remember too that even now the excommunications between the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and even the Assyrian Church of the East have all been lifted in the last 100 years. The anathemas by the Eastern Orthodox on Oriental Orthodox Saints have also been lifted. There is even talk of allowing dual communion again between the Eastern Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church through the Eastern Catholic Churches. We must focus on bonding back together, there is already so much ecumenism going on and has been going on the last 1000 years and most people don't even realize it!

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The Refomers actually followed Apostolic Catholicism

I know you're weeping and gnashing your teeth, but please allow me to defend my case.

According to Roman Catholicism whenever the bishop of the papal see receives the Holy Spirit regarding the scriptures, he's undergoing a experience called Ex Cathedra. (It's also true that if a pope practices his authority, but contradicts any previous decrees, he's an antipope.)

Well, we can all agree a similar process happened when st.Peter wrote his epistles on his way to Rome as an apostle under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, so his words are godly. One of the sentences he wrote "Though you do not now see him [Jesus Christ], you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory, obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls." From this, it's obviously clear that Peter decreed faith is sufficient for salvation.

So if you follow this flawless logic, you'll understand that any pope who declares that faith isn't sufficient for salvation then his words is non-authoritative as he is an antipope, which the reformers tried to warn the Vatican about so we can return to the only, true, church teaching on faith!

P.S. Good to know that Pope Clement I wasn't an antipope!

>we…being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Clement 32:4

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>Be atheist

>Defend Islam

Remember when ((/pol/)) and ((reddit)) kissed penn butt for being redpilled?

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"Shekinah glory"=Jewish/Babylonian mysticism

The term "Shekinah" is never used in the bible. It's a term from rabbinic literature and it refers to the feminine aspect of God. The bible doesn't contain any teaching about Gos have a feminine aspect, that came from Rabbinic judaism, which is the teaching of the Talmud and the magic practices of kabbalah. The Talmud also teaches that Jesus was the bastard son of a roman soldier and that he's currently boiling in excrement for all of eternity for his sins.

Christians praising the Shekinah glory of God are just praising the tranny God of judaism, not the God of the bible. Jesus told the disciples to be gentle as doves and wise as serpents, and the church isn't doing that. The church is being stupid and through that stupidity placed a demon in the place of God.

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Only Mother! This Atheist TOTALLY destroys the bible and faith.

I mean…Better burn the bibles and bring down crosses, his über-rationality couldn't match my faith in God.

So unless someone can rebuke his points, he BTFOed the billions of christian in this world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4-dJ5yLBpQ

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So can we talk about why it is illegal to boycott Israel?

So can we talk about why it is illegal to boycott Israel? Why would anyone want to do such a thing in the first place? Israel is pumping so much money into the protestant seminaries in the United States to get them to preach a duel covenant theology, who would ever want to boycott a cash cow like that?

http://archive.ph/HrOuQ

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/israel-texas-anti-bds-law/

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Meme thread

New meme thread because the old one is autosaging, starting with a request: I need the exploitable 8ch logo, have this crop in return

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Forgiveness?

http://archive.fo/vrYvC

I've seen these articles pop up ever so often about a some 90+ year old prison guard gets sent to death penalty trial over the a supposed crime that happened 70 years ago.

This personally makes my blood boil, but what do you think about punishing crimes that happened a long time ago. What about a murderer who killed someone in his late teens wasn't found out until he was in his 80s?

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Dark Web Contact with Chinese Christains?

So I've been messing around on TOR a bit recently and wondered if it was possible to get in touch with Christians in China and other oppressive nations. I know TOR is heavily used over there, and I'm sure some Christians are on there. How fantastic would it be to get in contact with our Brothers and Sisters? Does anyone know a place, or even anywhere to begin getting in touch with these people?

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Apostolic Discord server?

Although I love the many Christian discord servers that exist, I’m tempted to create another one built more on building close friendships, an emphasis on traditional minded Ecumenism between Apostolic believers, and voice chat Bible and Patristic study. I’m not going to make one quite yet unless there is a demand for it, but if there is and anyone wants to help me set it up, I would welcome it. My contact info is Lion#1511.

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Why do people on this board like this Anderson?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8g3fArSNY

Here he attacks a monk of the Orthodox Faith simply because he's an Orthodox member of the body of Christ.

I seriously don't understand how any man can attack a person of living Faith.

Those who like this man, how do you reason for these actions?

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Vatican new track team of nuns, priests targets Olympics

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican launched an official track team Thursday with the aim of competing in international competitions as part of an agreement signed with the Italian Olympic Committee.

About 60 Holy See runners — Swiss Guards, priests, nuns, pharmacists and even a 62-year-old professor who works in the Vatican's Apostolic Library — are the first accredited members of Vatican Athletics. It's the latest iteration of the Holy See's long-standing promotion of sport as an instrument of dialogue, peace and solidarity.

Because of the agreement with CONI, the team is now a part of the Italian track association and is looking to join the International Association of Athletics Federations. It is hoping to compete in international competitions, including the Games of the Small States of Europe — open to states with fewer than 1 million people — and the Mediterranean Games.

"The dream that we have often had is to see the Holy See flag among the delegations at the opening of the Olympic Games," said Monsignor Melchor Jose Sanchez de Toca y Alameda, team president and the head of the Vatican's sports department in the culture ministry.

But he said that was neither a short-term nor medium-term goal, and that for now the Vatican was looking to participate in competitions that had cultural or symbolic value.

"We might even podium," he noted.

Vatican pharmacist-runner Michela Ciprietti told a Vatican press conference the aim of the team isn't exclusively competitive, but rather to "promote culture and running and launch the message of solidarity and the fight against racism and violence of all types."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna957496

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How could angels rebel against God? Do they have free will? I believe the stories in the book of Enoch about them giving man forbidden knowledge and breeding with women. Have all the angels that are going to rebel already done it or do some still fall away occasionally?

Can the top tier angels like Michael rebel?

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What's the deal with Saint Symeon?

Is Saint Symeon worth reading? And if so….HOW? I can't figure out how to get anything from him in digital form, or find anything anywhere online, is there somewhere I go to read whatever he actually said for free?

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God sends swarms against Mecca

Swarm of Locusts at Mecca

http://archive.is/lBq1X

>Swarms of black crickets covered Makkah and its Holy Mosque, triggering a citywide fumigation and leaving residents perplexed by the phenomenon. Images of the crickets, belonging to the true cricket family, have taken social media by storm. Several images and videos show thousands of the insects in schools, houses and the Holy Mosque.

>Makkah Municipality confirmed the phenomenon, which residents say has never been seen before, and conducted a citywide fumigation.

>“On Saturday night I was praying at the Holy Mosque and the insects were everywhere, the mosque was drawing them in, not only in the yards, but even around the Kaaba,” Abdulwhab Soror, 64, told The National.

>“I’ve been living in Makkah my whole life and I’ve never witnessed something like this before,” he added.

>The phenomenon even baffled wildlife experts. Dr Jacky Judas, manager and scientific adviser of terrestrial biodiversity at the WWF and Emirates Nature, said this was a first.

>"This is the first time for me to see this species in big numbers. I am not surprised that people are saying the same," Dr Judas said. "I have never seen this species in these big numbers."

>He said the source could be some businesses on the Arabian Peninsula that cultivate crickets for bird feed. Some of the insects could have escaped and spread to Makkah. He is working to identify the species but says they could be related to the true cricket, Gryllus campestris.

"It could be an incident where one captive breeding has escaped and spread in big numbers, otherwise maybe there has been specific conditions that favour their development and breeding," he said. "But I don't know what that would be."

>Cricket swarms have been reported in Peru and West Virginia after intense heatwaves.

Makkah Municipality has appointed almost 130 people to tackle the issue.

>“We are focusing on the areas of reproduction and breeding of insects, sewers, and open water source around the yards of the Holy Mosque and in all toilet scarred in the yards of the mosque,” the municipality said.

It later published pictures of an environmental protection team as it sprayed pesticide in areas surrounding the Holy Mosque.

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So if Christ is fully Man and fully God, does He worship Himself in his prayers?

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Is there even hope anymore?

>be me

>have accepted Christ a few years ago after being an edgy Commie

>spend up to a year researching and reading endlessly on which branch is legitimate

>settle for Orthodoxy after studying Church history and reading theology

>worship privately for several months now

>think to myself "I should go to Church as is written, my faith may weaken if I'm one of those loners who doesn't attend Church"

>wants to be part of the 10% who attend regularly here

>check out churches online

>Orthodoxy has basically no presence here

>one ROCOR Church in reasonable distance

>surprised they actually speak my country's language

>decide to check it out next weekend

>have been looking since and their schedule is outdated on their website

>no idea when to go in

>just want to ask a few questions and see if they're legit

>decide to go at 12:30

>saturday arrives

>really anxious to go given I've never been to Church and barely know how they operate

>spend an hour in -10 Celsius looking

>finally find it

>looks as it was pictured, small comfy house turned into a Church hidden among apartments

>open the door

>enter a small greetings hall surrounded by icons

>heart pounding

>anxious, excited and feeling happy at the same time

>see schedule on wall

>still outdated schedule for December

>everything is written in my language

>feeling confident about this

>hear bells inside

>decide to wait

>minutes pass and the bell stops

>wait a few more minutes

>not a single word is spoken inside

>I see no shapes through the glass

>open slightly

>people are gathered all around with cameras filming the event at hand

>everyone including the priest has their back turned toward me

>a camera guy from the right starts looking

>I give a short bow and go outside

>walk home

Feeling like an absolute autist, what do?

It's the one church I could attend and I feel like I already screwed up my chances with it.

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The "Mark" of the Beast

Has anyone noticed that there very well could be the "Mark of the Beast" going on or developing right now? Not a sort of barcode or anything like that… but the mark of the beast is the number of man - supremely human, and nothing divine. You have to be an atheistic liberal, who rejects the True God and True Divine morality for "humanistic morality" of beastliness, thinking than Man is nothing more than an animal, embracing everything that comes with it. This is the result of the secular liberal progressive viewpoint. It's more and more clear that you cannot to business without publicly acknowledging that you subscribe to this worldview - or at the very least you cannot publicly oppose it. You'll be thrown out of most schools, jobs, etc. Advertisers will drop you, you'll become unemployable. Isn't the Mark of the Beast happening before our eyes. Are people just not reading the signs of the times?

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I was arguing with some christian women online, and it was pointed out a gender inbalance in the church.

I knew of it but… until now never paid much attention…

But I decided to research on it, and found out a lot of research been going into it, and the conclusions are some stuff I already had my suspicion:

modern churches are too feminine, they embrace feminine values, the activities are feminine, and so on…

also the research showed to me something that I learned, I was wrong about…

I believed strongly, that the gap was just that women are more spiritual, but most religions have women and men in equal numbers or more men than women, Christianity (excepting Orthodox, but there is no Orthodox church near me), is the only religion that is female dominated.

As I went reading the articles, they pointed out lots of stuff that for me is true…

Example: one article pointed out that youth groups often fail to keep boys, because they have very lenghty singing sessions with lots of "love style" songs and songs about being thankful…

Except adolescent boys, don't have much to be thankful for yet, so it feels pointless… and indeed, it felt that way to me. I went because people made me to, I hated it.

Sunday school… same shit, sitting still while a female teacher spout nonsense, stuff I KNEW it was nonsense and couldn't correct because I am just a kid, and the girls buying it all (including some sad episodes, like people deciding games are evil and wanting to burn board games, later I learned that was a rumour, that started with a guy named Josue Yrion… there are lots of terrible videos of him on youtube, he had a twitter account that looked like parody but twitter deleted it).

So after I left the church, I started to read the bible, I became more and more masculine, not just in appearance, with beard and whatnot, but in behaviour, becoming more competitive, outspoken (despite being introvert), being turned off by masculine women (short hair, blazer, etc… turn me off), and so on…

I want to go back to the church, hopefully start my family there, and I want to lead at least my family, more people if possible, into a future where Christianity still exists… Other religions are out-reproducing and out-converting us, christian countries keep being baited into stupid wars and are overextending, and feminist culture is destorying our countries from within.

Even if I have to move to a distant farm and raise my family there with christian values, I want to preserve those christian values, I want a next generation where men are men, women are women, and they all follow YHWH.

Yet… I don't know where to start… the place where I live has a crazy amount of Assemblies of God (seriously, there is even one street with TWO churches of these), and some other pentecostal churches, also my country was until some 30 years ago Catholic majority, and is not hard to find those cool catholic churches with spires and towers… But I don't know where I can go, and be a man, and attract a mate, and lead by example, maybe I am sinning by being too timid, but I feel like if I try, I will just be ostracized and ejected right out of the door again.

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Christian Library Nearly 2000 Books

https://8ch.net/pdfs/res/10913.html

Torrent of every book from Christian Classics Ethereal Library in pdf and txt format.

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Why Western Orthodoxy and the Anglican Ordinarite won’t work

LONG POST WARNING

Yes it’s one of those threads, but bear with me:

The Anglican Ordinerate (I’m just going to say AO for the rest of this post) and Western Orthodoxy might seem good on paper, a way for high church Prots to finalize their apostolic faith. Believe me, I was once one of the few (and still am in many respects) who wanted to join Western Orthodoxy, since I feel like I should be in touch with my historical roots and be able to tap into the West’s spiritual treasures like the Rosary, the Rule of St Benedict and the Gregorian Mass without surrendering myself to the ever growing liberalism that plagues the Roman church. I assume this is the same sort of idea behind the AO, for either Catholics who desire to have their own distinctly English identity, or for Anglicans switching over to function like Uniates and retain their heritage while being Roman Catholic.

But then I read this article: https://catholicherald.co.uk/issues/august-26th-2016/britains-ordinariate-is-in-peril-here-is-how-to-save-it/

Now this wouldn’t normally get to me that much. After all, it’s a few years old, and that’s across the sea for me, right? But then I remember, back before I took the commitment to being orthodox, attending the same denomination >>752541 mentions in their post. It was small, and the service felt more like something the parishioners did out of obligation then something people enjoyed doing. And that’s my main concern (and why I created a new thread specifically for this): Anglicanism and arguably tradtional Western spirituality as a whole is dying. The Episcopalians loose more and more people every week as their services get more and more liberal, the Catholic Church has become a completely different beast than it was 70 years ago, the Continuing Anglicans, AO and Western Orthodox are so small as to be mere curiosities for the most part. Outside of Apostolic Christianity, the churches are all either going the route of parroting the hip megachurches, becoming personality cults for their fundamentalist (and often shifting to the poles of ultra-Zionist or Anti-Semitic) pastors, or becoming puppets for degenerate left wing politics. The reason for this, I think, is simply that most people are comfortable with the denomination they’re in, and if not, either grit and bear it or find something different entirely. Most Western Orthodox and AO are, like we said before, a rare set of former Anglicans who desire the familiar form and the prestige of Apostolic communion, which is something most people would either never want, never think of or never even have a chance to think of, since the catch 22 is that small churches don’t attract big crowds, so the demand is low and thus the churches remain small and few in number.

In addition to this, I’ve come to realize something else: the East shouldn’t try to copy the west, but rather integrate western devotions in her own understanding. Seraphim of Serov’s Rule of the Theotokos is the Rosary, the Komboskini the Pater Noster Rope, the Sorrows of Mary brought to the East by St. Demitri of Restov: (https://web.archive.org/web/20040920222132/http://oholy.net:80/5Prayers2.html). Indeed, it might be said the East has kept the Benedictine rule better than the west, as Benedict in his own rule told higher level monks to read and emulate the rule of St. Basil, the bedrock of Eastern monasticism. All of this is to say, don’t try to jump ship to some small movement where there are churches few and far between. The Anglican Church may be restored to its glory, and may even become a Orthodox Church if it rids itself of its degeneracy. However, this can only happen if a resilient generation of Anglican people are willing to stand against the buricracy and liberal power structures and take back Canterbury and her child churches for God and Country (admittedly easier in America, since the entire British government that the CoE is part of is Winnie the Poohed). As for the Amarican Orthodox baptized, chrismated and catechumens, we need to try to learn from the mistakes of the Catholics and Prots and not let our church become a free for all for reform. It’s already starting to happen in Ukraine, and it mustn’t happen here. Beseech the Mother of God and her Son our God every day, no matter if it’s through the Rosary or the Akathist, and pray that the church may one day, God willing and man cooperating, be united without doctrinal or practical compromises.

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Why doesn't God teach us about the nature of reality?

Why isn't the Bible a scientific book? You'd think if it was truly divine it wouldn't be so concerned with bronze age morality and drama between primitive peoples. Like marriage is simply a human institution created a few thousand years ago for ancient civilization that shouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Religion seems all too centered around us, too anthropomorphic. Deities in general are usually modeled off humans themselves, and the God of the Bible don't seem much different. Why did Jesus have to come to complete a mission of death which hasn't actually had any practical effects on the world? Why couldn't God send Jesus to teach us about science or how to travel to distant galaxies. I mean him being God he could do anything. Why couldn't he teach us really how the universe works and the laws of physics? Why couldn't he teach us quantum theory of it consciousness is real or an illusion or if matter is real or an illusion. I don't mean to sound like a fedora but sometimes I have these thoughts.

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Baptist Thread

Old Thread 404'd A Month Ago Edition

The Gospel

>1 Corinthians 15:1-4__

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

>Romans 10:9-10__

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Baptist Confessions, and Statements

London Baptist Confession of 1689 (Calvinist): http://www.ccel.org/ccel/anonymous/bcf.pdf

Baptist Faith and Message (Arminian Inclusive): http://www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp

Notable Modern Baptist Teachers

Albert Mohler: https://albertmohler.com/

James White: https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

John Piper: https://www.desiringgod.org/

Leighton Flowers: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrLeightonFlowers

Robert Truelove: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQPPHf_DdqfJP5RyosVxhZA

Steven Anderson: https://www.youtube.com/user/sanderson1611

William Lane Craig: https://www.reasonablefaith.org/

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The 8chan Cup 4

GREETINGS /christian/

The 4th edition of the 8chan Cup is fast approaching. First kickoff is set for January 4th, 2019 at 08:00PM UTC and your board is a part of it. The Cup will be a 32 team tournament, first with a group stage followed by the 16 team Knockout Round, all to determine a champion board of the site. The 3rd editon of the Cup saw the debut of 15 different boards, all of which are returning to shoot for glory once again, amongst revived boards and a few new ones as well. The Cup is being defended by >>>/christian/ (that's you), who grinded out a 1-0 victory in the Finals over newcomers >>>/ita/. Eternal powerhouse >>>/bane/ managed to claim 3rd place over >>>/strek/ by stopping the Trekkies potent offense and pouring on four goals of their own. For a full breakdown of the 2018 Summer Cup, please take a look at the wiki http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/wiki/The_8chan_Cup

In 2019, your board has been placed into Group A, with /hisparefugio/, /bmn/, and /pol/. Please use this thread for pre-tournament hype and also any MINOR tweaks that may need to be made.

For the full wiki: http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/

For the stream: https://cytu.be/r/8cup

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Is it wrong for Christians to drink alcohol?

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Christian Nationalism Propaganda Video

European nations are being destroyed because our people have turned away from God, embraced degeneracy and idolatry, and allowed the spirit of the antichrist to subvert every major institution in our nations.

As horrifying and troubling as these times are, we can rejoice in the fact that God keeps His promises. God promised to discipline us if we turned away from Him, and he does this out of love for us. The Lord has also promised to deliver us from total destruction, and in this we can trust. Our only hope is to turn back to Jesus Christ, and as a people be resurrected again into rightenousness by His blood.

May this video bring glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, and reach the lost sheep of His flock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_KyVLaKUgo

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Jeremiah 30:7

And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase. And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 23:3-4

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

Isaiah 40:11

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:26

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Can the Totenkopf be used as a symbol by Christians or is it inherently pagan/satanic?

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Addiction doesn't qualify as mortal sin?

Short blogpost, sorry guys.

I had a conference with my priest today and I discussed addiction to masturbation/pornography. He said that since their addictions they don't qualify as Mortal Sin, and that I don't need to go to weekly confession for them (in fact, he recommended once every three months, which I thought the Church recommends monthly confession). This was very shocking to me, obviously I try to nofap, but I'm weak willed and I fail often. I was expecting to have to go to weekly confession, but he said he didn't want to see me in the confession booth every week. Is he right? I don't want to profane the Eucharist, but I also don't want to be overly scrupulous. What do? God bless brothers

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Does anyone listen to Christian music? I'm a catholic but I find it soothing and helpful spiritually. It focuses my mind on God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XUKNSqS3C8&t=1276s

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Reading the Bible through a correct frame of reference

Hi, I want to read the bible (KJV), however I understand that if I read it by myself, I may just end interpreting the bible through my own point of view.

So I was wondering whether or not there are interpretations or study bibles (like the Orthodox Study Bible), that can give me a correct frame of reference when reading

Sort of like how the Quran has Tafsirs (Interperatations)

The last thing I want is to "think" jesus meant something, when in fact he is talking about another.

>pic not related

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Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit

Help, I fear that I have commited Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and have lost my salvation. I feel empty kind of, I prayed and stuff since then. But I don’t know what to think.

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Rodrigo Duterte calls on the Catholic Church to allow its 'useless' priests to have boyfriends

>Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte has called on the Catholic Church to allow priests to have boyfriends.

>In a shocking speech given at a groundbreaking ceremony for a school near the capital Manila on Friday Duterte claimed 'most priests are gay' as he doubled down on a previous claim that 'almost 90 per cent' of the clergy are homosexuals.

>'Only I can say bishops are sons of b*s, damn you. That is true. Most of them are gay,' he said.

>'They should come out in the open, cancel celibacy and allow them to have boyfriends.'

>Duterte, who is a practicing Catholic, has previously spoken openly about his childhood abuse at the hands of a priest.

>It comes just a month after Duterte said in a speech at the Presidential Palace in the Phillippines that Catholic priests are 'useless fools' who should be 'killed'.

>Duterte's strong remarks are believed to have been made in response to the Catholic church's opposition to his government's ongoing war on drugs, which has left thousands dead.

>According to local reports, Duterte's comments were made during a speech at the presidential palace on December 6.

>'These bishops that you guys have, kill them. They are useless fools. All they do is criticise,' Duterte said.

>He also called the church 'the most hypocritical institution' and said his God is different from the one Catholics worship.

>The Catholic church has also made their concerns known, following the death of three of its priests since December 2017.

>However, Duterte has hit back at the church on various occasions about church morality in light of the high-profile international sexual abuse scandals involving priests.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6580715/Rodrigo-Duterte-calls-Catholic-Church-allow-useless-priests-boyfriends.html

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Christian YouTubers

Seeing how I'm fairly new to /christian/, I hope that this thread doesn't break any informal rules. Also, it is not my intention to start a fight though I do appreciate lively debate. I'm looking for Christian YouTube channels, I've recently found "InspiringPhilosophy" and "Defeat Modernism" and really liked their content and I'm aware of E. Michael Jones of course and Pastor Anderson. Meme channels and meme pastors/priests are welcome but the more serious ones are very much appreciated. Also, I would like to ask your opinion of the channel vaticancatholic.com.

Thank you kindly!

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Creationism

So I saw something that totally shed new light on Creationism to me. Actually every Christian believes in a form of "Youth Earth Type" creationism. The first example is simply the first miracle that Jesus performed - He turned water into wine. Wine is something that is aged, and appears as it is aged. If you gave that wine to a "scientist" to analyze, they would say this had been produced around 2 years ago or something. But Jesus produced it right then and there, with the appearance it was old, but it wasn't. Literally every Christian believes this. Same with the the loaves of fish and bread, etc.

This is actually something even an atheist would presume God or even just some magical being could do - produce something out of thin air. If say I told you that someone said some words and the out of thin air produced a fish out of nowhere, would you be like…"Hmm really? Let me see that fish?" So I give you the fish and you're like "Liar! This fish is clearly 2 years old!". Like that in no way disproves that the person made that fish appear from nothing.

I mean does anyone doubt Jesus could have said, "Tree, appear!" and a big tree would appear? Would you say no that's impossible cause the Tree looks like 26 years old? I'm sure that Tree would have tree rings around it indicating it's age and stuff too… so what right?

Now considering that basically every Church Father truly did believe that the days of creation were literal, like a miracle, 6 days (or shorter, like with St. Augustine), and even St. Thomas Aquinas saying it's literally 6 days, despite pagans and other people (even until recently) thought that the Universe was Eternal - why is this so hard to believe that God just created a world like bam! Like he booted up a VM image or something.

In addition, the whole idea of "Dark Matter" seems to actually bolster the idea that the Big Bang theory is nonsense. They still have literally no idea what this is, and have to include it in order to make it plausible. It's actually surprising, since they come at it from a completely dogmatic stance that there is no God and no supernatural forces, they're sort of forced into a corner like this.

Now I do have some questions though - namely with the appearance of what seems to be Dinosaur bones (is this Leviathan etc?) and what appears to be sub-Human type skeletons. Any explanation for those and how it fits into a more literal view of Genesis? Thanks!

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Maker of "Jesus Christ" YouTube channel is having custody issues

So I'm not sure how many of you know who this guy is, but if you search the name of Jesus Christ on youtube this guy's video and channel (which youtube endorses because it has the verification mark).

Well apparently his back story is that he "escaped an extreme religious group/cult" thanks to youtube showing him the light of atheism, and he took his kids with him. But now his wife and family are saying he's insane and can't have the kids, and needs youtube to help him. He's out of retainer fees for the legal battle and needs YOUR money help!

While asking for help he goes on to directly bash Christianity by saying youtube freed him from superstition and that his channel promotes skepticism.

so was him getting JUST'D divine providence? How should we feel about this?

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Why did God make me? Why did He put me in this world and gave me consciousness? I'm not a good christian and I am far away from this, but altough I considerer myself christian If I could I would have choosen not to live. I don't like life and much less living.

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A Hill Worth Dying On? Sometimes, Yes.

A few months ago I made a thread titled "A Hill Worth Dying On?" and wanted to finally report back on my experience now that the dust has fully settled. I was, then, an art student about to graduate, and expressed frustration at the abhorrent double standards applied to male and female students regarding the portrayal of female nudity for blatantly political reasons. I asked the board the basic question of the thread title. One person encouraged me to take a stand. Most others in the thread gave some sort of variation of "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown." At first I was going to follow the latter line of thinking.

However, events eventually transpired to where I had officially had it up to here with the blatant hypocrisy, and decided to take a stand in a measured and respectful manner. Just as my professor acted in an overly hostile manner when I occasionally disagreed with him before, he went on the warpath when I defended my piece. There is a graphic that sometimes makes the rounds on here and other places that quotes Hitler on debating with Jews. Let's just say that graphic/quote punches me in the gut whenever I see it now. I completely understand and can relate to that experience first hand. Said professor proved himself to be unscrupulous, untrustworthy and my interactions with him from that point on (and even earlier) left me with an overriding feeling of absolute moral disgust. He was a Far-Left Liberal, and claimed to care about the portrayal of women by white males in particular because of the environment of the #MeToo movement. Considering some of the work posted in the show, it's very obvious that he cared more about his virtue signaling status than about the portrayal of women.

Overall, it was an unpleasant and stressful experience. However, at the end of the day, I can say with certainty that, it was indeed worth it. No, I did not single-handedly "change the institution" as some in the earlier thread cited as a reason not to proceed. But the fact is, thanks and glory be to God, I was able to stand up to injustice and an unjust man (and some unjust others), got my piece displayed in the show (as well as others that said professor wanted taken down for petty reasons of sabotage in the aftermath of our debate) and graduated with a final exhibition show not marred by politics and bias. No, I did not "change the school" or anything grandiose like that. But sometimes it's worth it just to take a moral stand for it's own sake, regardless of if there's some greater reward or for the sake of "changing the world" or whatnot. In fact, I've grown to suspect that one of the primary reasons why Conservativism/Traditionalism has been trounced by Liberalism in Universities, the Media, etc. is because too many Conservatives have a "Chinatown"/defeatist mentality, whilst Radical Liberals are willing to passionately fight for even the smallest of hills.

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Daily reminder NEETdome is not compatible with Christianity.

>For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat.

>For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies.

>Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.

If you're a NEET, then get off this board and go find a job or go back to school. If not, you are a loser. It's a hard truth but it is the truth.

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Acts 2:47

<all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their fellowship those who were being saved

<added to their fellowship those who were being saved

So, being saved is an ongoing process even after one becomes a Christian and joins in fellowship. This passage implies that those who already in fellowship, are also " those who were being saved ".

How do protestants say it's faith alone when even the author of Acts shows that being saved is a continuous thing of being?

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‘Father, please stop’: Parents horrified after priest used teen’s funeral to condemn suicide

>When Maison Hullibarger died by suicide on Dec. 4, his parents — devout Catholics — began planning a funeral that would celebrate their 18-year-old son’s life.

>“We wanted him to celebrate how Maison lived," Linda Hullibarger told the Detroit Free Press, "not how he died.”

>Instead, during the funeral at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Catholic Church, the Hullibargers listened from the pews as the priest spoke the word “suicide” six times. He told mourners, local media reported, that Maison may be denied admittance to heaven because of the way he died. LaCuesta wondered aloud, the Hullibargers said, if Maison had repented enough in the eyes of God.

>“He basically called our son a sinner,” Linda told the Toledo Blade.

>But LaCuesta kept going, the Hullibargers recounted in local news reports. When the service finally ended, they told the priest he was no longer welcome at Maison’s gravesite burial — where the teen’s family and friends decided to say everything LaCuesta hadn’t.

>Now, the Hullibargers are calling for the priest’s removal, and generating enough discussion to warrant an apology from the Archdiocese of Detroit. In a statement to The Washington Post, archdiocese spokeswoman Holly Fournier said “an unbearable situation was made even more difficult, and we are sorry.”

>LaCuesta will not be preaching at funerals “for the foreseeable future,” Fournier said, and he will have his other homilies reviewed by a priest mentor.

>For centuries, the Catholic Church has struggled with the religious implications, and societal stigma, of suicide. It wasn’t until the 1960s that the church began taking a more benign approach to suicide, allowing parishioners who had taken their own lives to receive a Catholic funeral and be buried on sacred ground in Catholic cemeteries. In the 1990s, Pope John Paul II approved the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which acknowledged — for the first time — that many people who die by suicide also suffer from mental illness.

>“Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide,” the catechism states. “We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance.”

>Though it has been decades since the church adopted a more compassionate view of suicide, there remains a disconnect between some outlier priests and their parishes. The Rev. Charles T. Rubey said he has seen it within the Archdiocese of Chicago and during his 40 years as director and founder of the LOSS program, Loving Outreach to Survivors of Suicide.

>“There are still some priests who view suicide as a mortal sin,” Rubey said. “That has been categorically denied by church leadership."

>Jeffrey Hullibarger told the Detroit Free Press that he feels removing LaCuesta is the only way to prevent the compounded grief at Maison’s funeral from happening to another family.

>“We’re afraid that, like the Catholic church does, they’ll send him off and he’ll do it to somebody else," Hullibarger told the newspaper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2018/12/15/father-please-stop-parents-horrified-after-priest-used-teens-funeral-condemn-suicide/

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If God real why bad thing happen?

It's such a baseless and ignorant "argument" that it became a meme of it's own sort of.

But is there a good answer to it? That's what I want to find out, since telling people that someone who's omnipotent, all knowing and responsible for creating life might just be a bit beyond their understanding seems like a cop out to most who actually use this as an argument.

It seems to especially come up when events beyond our control (like crazy birth defects) happen at seemingly random which makes people who didn't believe anyway come out into the open with this argument.

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How do I become a monk in society?

I want to completely break away from society and just study Christianity

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Christian to Heathen to Christian...

How can one come back to god after straying so far from him?

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Meditation

Whats /christian/ take on meditation?

Heresy, or another way to find god?

I personally find a great instrument to find spiritual peace, become aware to the present and feel gods grace, And you know, mute those perky nasty thoughts.

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Wednesday and Firday fasting

What are you actually supposed to eat, if at all. I know its not about the food itself but I just can't really what are you actually permitted to eat

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Catholic Priesthood vs Orthodox?

Who has the genuine priesthood, Catholics or Orthodox?

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CELEBRATION

I GOT A JOB!!! I LOVE GOD! I AM NOT A NEET ANYMORE HE ANSWERED MY PRAYERS! $13 DOLLARS AN HOUR WORKING ON SHEET METAL! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THANK YOU GOD THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRAYERS I AM SO HAPPY I LOVE GOD AND I LOVE JESUS AND I LOVE THE TRINITY HE HAS DONE AMAZING THINGS FOR ME YESSSSS!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS! MARY PRAY FOR ME! YESSSSSSSS!!

GOODBYE NEETDOM!

HELLOW WORK

2 THESSALONIANS 3:10

I LOVE YOU GOD THANK YOU!

I LOVE YOU /CHRISTIAN/ THANK YOU.

I LOVE YOU EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU FOR PRAYING FOR ME. PRAY FOR ME MORE.

YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!

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Do Protestants still believe the Pope is the Antichrist?

>"This teaching shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. This is, properly speaking to exalt himself above all that is called God as Paul says. Even the Turks or the Tartars, great enemies of Christians as they are, do not do this, but they allow whoever wishes to believe in Christ, and take bodily tribute and obedience from Christians."

>Book of Concord, The Smalcald Articles, Part II, Art. IV, Sec. 10 [A.D. 1537]

>"There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God."

>Westminster Confession of Faith, Ch. XXV, Sec. VI [A.D. 1647]

>The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

>Second London Baptist Confession, Ch. 26, Sec. 4 [A.D. 1689]

Do Protestants still unironically believe the Pope is the Antichrist? Just curious that's all.

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Is Bird Box a Christian movie?

Is Bird Box a Christian movie?

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Traditional Lutheran Thread

Guys let's have a thread discussing Evangelical Catholicism (i.e. Lutheranism). :)

All Confessional Lutheran Denominations are welcome in this thread to discuss.

Liberal heretical Lutherans are NOT welcome in this thread. Homosexuality, abortion, female clergy, higher criticism, ecumenism, relativism, and modernism of any kind are not tolerated in this thread. If you hold to any of these, then get out or we'll burn you at the stake.

NICENE CREED IN GERMAN:

Wir glauben an den einen Gott,

den Vater, den Allmächtigen,

der alles geschaffen hat,

Himmel und Erde,

die sichtbare und die unsichtbare Welt.

Und an den einen Herrn Jesus Christus,

Gottes eingeborenen Sohn,

aus dem Vater geboren vor aller Zeit:

Gott von Gott,

Licht vom Licht,

wahrer Gott vom wahren Gott,

gezeugt, nicht geschaffen,

eines Wesens mit dem Vater;

durch ihn ist alles geschaffen.

Für uns Menschen und zu unserm Heil ist er vom Himmel gekommen,

hat Fleisch angenommen durch den Heiligen Geist

von der Jungfrau Maria und ist Mensch geworden.

Er wurde für uns gekreuzigt unter Pontius Pilatus,

hat gelitten und ist begraben worden,

ist am dritten Tage auferstanden nach der Schrift

und aufgefahren in den Himmel.

Er sitzt zur Rechten des Vaters

und wird wiederkommen in Herrlichkeit,

zu richten die Lebenden und die Toten;

seiner Herrschaft wird kein Ende sein.

Wir glauben an den Heiligen Geist,

der Herr ist und lebendig macht,

der aus dem Vater (und dem Sohn) hervorgeht,

der mit dem Vater und dem Sohn angebetet und verherrlicht wird,

der gesprochen hat durch die Propheten,

und die eine, heilige, katholische und apostolische Kirche.

Wir bekennen die eine Taufe zur Vergebung der Sünden.

Wir erwarten die Auferstehung der Toten

und das Leben der kommenden Welt.

Amen.

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Ex-nun tells her story with the church

Thoughts?

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This board's moderation is dishonest, fishy, unaccountable (no ban logs) and straight up deceptive.

That kind of moderation gives a vibe closer to Islam or Judaism than a truthful and fair Christianity.

That's all, this moderation is a disgrace to it's name.

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I need your opinions and experience

I know that people don't like others posting reddit stuff here, but this is making me question a lot of things. In this link, the consensus is generally that pre marital sex is okay, and essentially a gift from God.

>"Didn't wait - no regrets."

>"Some of us are smashing purity culture"

>"I didn’t wait, and I think my life is far better and more in line with God wants for me than if I had waited"

Is this really right? Am I just living some relic? I'm a sophomore in college, not exactly the most Christian of places to surround yourself in, and so I try to go to more Christian things, but then I realize I practice a much different faith than them, so even in that it is a solitary walk with God, or at least feels like one, but then its like, no, Im just a fool. Other Christians saying that you need "experience" and need to find yourself sexually, I just feel like… Im not really even sure. Shaken? Confused? I dont know, that seems to be overly dramatic. It just seems like I am stuck teetering between two worlds, where others easily have both.

Im not just chosing this path because a relic culture am I? or coping? Is this the right way? I read about the desert fathers and their struggles, but then I return to the world around me and have to face it. I also understand that God doesn't promise an easy life on earth, and I can expect no reward in return for any of this, and Ive also bought a small cross to wear, like the "burden" from the Pilgrims Progress to remember what I am for.

But I need your thoughts/experience. I am 19 for reference.

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The Nature of Women

<Ecclesiastes 7

>25 I turned my heart to know and to search out and to seek wisdom and the scheme of things, and to know the wickedness of folly and the foolishness that is madness.

>26 And I find something more bitter than death: the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her.

They are the most gracious beings, capable of love, caring, healing, through which life is birth. Yet they can also the cruelest, enchant men into their charms and then leave them in shambles.

This thread is devoted to discussing the true nature of women, to most of which, are completely unaware themselves.

Not specifically relationship advice, for those have specific threads, but to come with analysis and understanding, and interpretation of the bible regarding them.

Something I would valuable not only for young men, but to settled men who wish to understand their partners better, and even women themselves to understand their inner feminine essence.

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US sailors hold pagan services aboard aircraft carrier…

Beliefs in ancient Norse myths have taken hold of a surging number of military personnel.

http://archive.today/2019.01.08-052517/https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2019/01/07/heathens-hold-religious-services-rooted-in-norse-paganism-aboard-aircraft-carrier/

Heathenry is experiencing a resurgence. The polytheistic religion, one that traces its origin to Norse myths that tell of the universe’s creation and prophesy its destructive end, was at one time stifled following the end of the Viking Age and the subsequent spread of Christianity. One such collections of myths, “The Prose Edda” — authored by Icelandic historian and politician Snorri Sturluson sometime around the year 1220 — provides much of what the modern world knows about Norse mythology: Yggdrasil, Asgard and the Aesir, a tribe of gods and goddesses with names like Odin, Thor, Loki, Frigg and Idun.

Now, nearly 800 years after Sturluson’s “Edda,” a small group of sailors aboard the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis has adopted these deities as the pillars of their religion, according to a Navy release. The chapel onboard Stennis is where Aviation Electrician’s Mate 2nd Class Joshua Wood, a once-Roman Catholic sailor from Eagle River, Alaska, fills the duties of Heathenry lay leader, a position of religious leadership that must be appointed by a unit’s commanding officer. As the most senior practitioner of Heathenry — observant for five years now — Wood is tasked with leading a small group of sailors devoted to the Norse gods and goddesses in weekly services that are even advertised on the ship’s one-main circuit.

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Assuming that there wasn't some kind of miraculously divinely constructed 23 pair of chromosomes to unite with Mary's pair to create Jesus, Jesus is essentially a male clone of Mary right? Like he and Mary share the same genetic material as monozygotic twins as both would inherit all their genetic material solely from from Anne and Joachim except they are just different genders. But once again this of course would be assuming that there wasn't some miraculous pair of 23 chromosomes. Or is it perhaps possible that somehow God actually used Joseph's genetic material to combine with Mary's without the two actually having to have sex, like IVF? Or is that heretical Should we even try to scientifically explain this though? What is your opinion?

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Finding my place in the world

Why is it so hard?

I am perfectly fine with being "on the road' when it comes to developing my relationship with God, but at this point and time in my life I feel like I just have to arrive occupation-wise.

I was drifting from one major to another, tried my hand at chemistry, mathematics, coding, biology, I was even a massage parlour for a while, worked as a receptionist, a research assistant, a software developer.

But I just don't feel like any of these are my "calling".

I'm 26, my dad and mom are becoming more and more desperate for me, and I am growing more and more depressed and hopeless.

Today my dad suggested that I should either pick up all the credits I have earned so far and find a university where I can accredit them and just get a degree, doesn't even matter what it is, or just embrace my humane interests and become some paper pusher and accept that I will never make a good living.

I don't know what to do.

I also had a strong humane interest, but I was also very good at mathematics and chemistry, I just apparently am not good enough to study either of them on a university level.

Any suggestions?

Please don't tell me to kill myself, everyone else already does.

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Giving up on Christian women

>Be me

>25 years old, tall and not bad looking

>make over CAD$20,000 a month

>zero problems attracting secular women

>started going to church at 21

>work a lot, but still active in church life

>dont want to be known as a man whore so only ask about 6 women at 4 different churches in different cities over 3 years

>shut down each time

>often turn down secular women because they arent Christian

Should I even bother with church women anymore? It seems that the church women that arent married young would even turn down Jesus himself for a date.

Should i just convert a secular woman?

I'm not going to be unmarried at 28.

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Foregen

For protfriends, is it wrong to consider surgical restoration if possible?

My father is a minister and theologian who had me circumcised as an infant for no real given reason, and grew upset with me in my adolescence when I learned it was against Christianity. I’ve always had sensitivity issues since I began to “””explore””” in that regard and can obtain an orgasm just fine, though I’ve recently reigned in that bad habit as I attempt to return to the faith. However, I am incredibly insecure regarding the matter and never attempted to have intimate relationships with women even when I was away from the faith as a teen/early 20’s for fear of either performing poorly or being embarrassed over my circumcision.

Recently my father and I had a disagreement because he told me my sons (if I were to have any) should be circumcised as well, and he’d hope my wife went around me to have it done if I disagreed. Neither my father nor his father were circumcised, so I don’t know why he was adamant on doing it to me, and it’s brought me a lot of stress after hitting puberty. My concern is that given both the general indifference in American culture to stop the practice and the lack of funding for proper restoration, it’s not worth getting my hopes up over restoration.

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So, is marrying a second wife while you are married adultery? Or just not common?

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God will get you a wife when you stop masturbating

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Regardless of if you take the story of man's creation in the Bible literally, or as a metaphor for man's downfall in sin…

Why did God forbid eating of the Tree of Knowledge? Why would he be against the act of man finding knowledge and learning instead of just being a mental slave?

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The Echarist: Who gets to have it?

If you remember a few years back, Pope Francis published a letter with a small footnote implying that people who are divorced and civilly remarried could receive the Eucharist. A lot of people freaked out over this, but it is actually in line with Church teaching. According to the Church, you have to be in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist. That is, you can't have a mortal sin on your conscience. But also, according to the Church, any mortal sin can be a venial sin if any given priest determines that you don't have full consent of the will, full knowledge, affective immaturity etc

Really, it seems like it is all a matter of opinion. If you take the most rigid possible view, every unrepentant adulterer, unrepentant remarried couple, liar, cheater and heretic should stay away from the Eucharist. But so should everyone who masturbates, dwells on lustful thoughts, wishes harm on others, uses contraceptives, supports contraceptives, uses the Lord's name in vain, supports gay rights and is unrepentant. (All of the above are considered "gave sins"). This would end up being easily 99% of lay Catholics. And of course, the opposite extreme is saying the a mortal sin is basically impossible to commit (which some theologians posit) and everyone should be receiving the Eucharist all the time if possible.

Where do you draw the line? Who should receive the Eucharist? Divorced and remarried? Only in cases where they are on a "faith journey" or should they refrain altogether? What about contraceptive users? Masturbators? Are you a full on Jansenist and think that Communion should be a very rare event only for people who are absolutely certain they are in a state of grace?

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Relationship general

Post your successes/troubles.

The responsibility is yours. Since you're the man you are the driving force behind starting a relationship. It is your job to do the first move as it is to lead all other moves.

Women seek stability. A woman is like a flower that grows towards God. A man is more like a stick. He can direct the married couple towards God. If both of them are flowers, then they stay in mud.

>Be yourself

Be confident about who you are. It will give you a special aura around yourself

>Work on your confidence

Start at nofap thread, eliminate porn and masturbation from your life. Increase your testosterone levels by working out…./fit/

>Get hobbies

If you lack interests, you are less interesting to women. Women want men of action.

>Visit places where high quality women hang out

Church, library, your hobbies…

>Become more educated about your faith

If you want a good Christian girl you should study scriptures. If she takes her faith seriously she will probably be impressed.

Your future wife probably will not just appear out of nothing and ask you out. It is your job when she appears all of sudden to be confident enough to ask her out and handle that situation.

Purity thread:

https://8ch.net/christian/res/405648.html

If any of you guys have some useful meta, please post it so we can include it in the future to the OP.

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Film Update: The Moses Controversy

Thousands of hours of work go into producing a feature-length film and many obstacles crop up along the way. This video covers some of the time spent filming in Jordan to capture biblical scenes of the Israelites during the Exodus journey. We look forward to its release and sharing the journey of exploring evidence for Moses’ ability to write the Torah as the Bible claims – something that is rejected by mainstream scholars. We hope to see you in theaters across America this March. Keep Thinking!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndT_zViYIvM&feature=youtu.be

Why is Peterson such an utter idiot who contaminates Christianity with his mediocre modern nonsense?

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How do you know if a study bible is good, legit and biblical?

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Christian parenting

Good evening /christian/

My God given purpose is to become a father, embody the father figure to the best of my human abilities for my own children as well as to others, be the best possible father in acts and deeds, and as such have as many children as possible. This is a fate which was given to me by God himself, and this is the deepest secret and meaning to my life which due to it's nature I never share, likely will not again for a long time after I've posted this. I'm a very young man and I still have a lot of time to arrange for these things, but I realize the dangers as well as the rewards regarding such a clear cut purpose and ideal. Much can still go wrong, naturally, but I am a human with a goal for which I would destroy my own body. I hope all of you may find the same some day.

Now, among you I know are shitposters and memelords but I know also there's a lot of smart goys and goirls who would, as far as literature, psychology, even basic theology know a lot more than myself, and Yes, of course, I've embarked on finding more out myself but I simply want to start on this corner of the internet as well, seeing as this is such a humongous issue in today's world, and probably affects every single one of us to some extent. I would like to find as many possible resources as possible on the issue of parenting and fatherhood in particular, though obviously not exclusively. My question for you is do you have ANY book or article or tale or anecdote or advice AT ALL regarding the subject, ANY book relevant to it which would fit our common Chistian and relatively conservative sense of justice, ANY book at all, whether it be one entirely devoted to parenting or a work of fiction which you just so happen to know carries weight or an interesting perspective. The former would be the jackpot, of course, to add to my list but anything will do. I sincerely apologize for the long post but I believe it may help all of us and isn't given enough attention, even here, to offset the attention this issue deserves in regards to the world around us. Also, I know many of you believe you never will have a wife and family of your own due to your status or your posting on 8chan or whatever, but I hope I need not remind you what an insanely useful tool, no matter how dark it may get, this thing of instant global information spreading in which you are educated is. And that no matter what ANYONE tells you, the old "modern" world's system of class is dying, the old way of thinking about people in groups applies less and less, and that many people who are browsing this site are not at all whom you expect to be. Many of them are, yes, but many of them aren't. You must remember that anything denouncing something as simple as this is not part of the current reality, that the legacy system of people who fit entirely in such groups is on the way out, as the world unravels more and more, becomes less and less cohesive, societal judgement becomes less than meaningless, and only you become the one who is trusted with how you spend your time and mental energy. To despair and believe otherwise is simply not Christian.

That, and that whether you are an "incel" or a "chad" you are still a human being with your own life in your own ever responsible hands. Think about it logistically. What are you going to do instead, not the best you can? We all have a job to do, this is mine. Maybe it's yours too, think about it. Sorry for the tangent but I really hope to relieve any damaging preconcieved notions so as not to have any blackpilled stuff create noise in the communication of something like this.

TLDR Christian parenting/fatherhood thread

Happy new year.

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/Our Lady/

Relapsed Catholic here, I need your help. Explain the Marian cult to me. Why are the Protestant so irreverent about Our Lady and what is the Orthodox position? Also, is it wrong to say there is a Marian covenant? And are her apparitions legitimate? Why or why not?

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Do American Evangelicals support Israel because they think Palestinian Christians aren't Christians because they're mostly Catholic or Orthodox? Many Evangelicals tend to think Apostolics aren't Christians.

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Threats to the Christian Faith

>homosexuality

>atheism

>corruption in the church

>certain parts of the media

>tax issues on church buildings themselves (mainly in America)

>islam (mainly in the Middle East)

>the new agenda being pushed in colleges

Why do Protestants and Catholics on this board fight each other so much when there are bigger issues that are directly affecting our faith? I love debate and all because it builds our faith, but we should also really focus on the things above.

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Orthodox Christmas

Merry Christmas everyone.

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Link worshiping a cross in a church. Also happened to use bibles in his earlier days to fight the monsters and he also worship the Tri-Force, which might by an allegory for the saint Trinity.

Are the Japanese devs crypto-christians ?

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The issue of foreign Christianity.

I've been conversing with a quite a few "Neo-pagans" and one of the most common issues they seem to have with Christianity as opposed to whatever brand of heathenism they subscribe is that Christianity is a foreign religion to Europe.

While the "religion of their people" is more native, so it's right up their alley since most tend to be nationalists who prioritize their people, nation and culture above all.

Often calling out Christianity as a desert cult so to say and when they read the Bible it's all about Jews, which naturally seems fishy and completely unrelated to them and their people.

Now of course this is ignoring the lot larger than life picture at hand here but how does one address this sort of issue in a classic Neo-pagan Vs Christianity debate?

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Christan Empires

>The rise of Christendom coincides with the reign of empires and monarchies and dynasties, divine right and saintly kings, and sovereignty of nations

>Democracy, popularity contests, and social contract, where the People rule, begins with the decline of Christendom and empires

Christendom isn't the same without empires. The world isn't the same without empires. It was never the same place anymore without the reign of emperors. Let the day come when empires return. Without Christendom and imperialism, the world isn't the same anymore to me.

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do you fit in at your parish?

i literally don't know anyone in there and i've been going for 7 months. people probably think i'm a weirdo because i'm very tall and big and i have resting school shooter face.

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>read Bible

>”sounds like Protestantism is right”

>reads church history

>”sounds like Catholicism/Orthodoxy is right”

What do? pic unrelated

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Catholic General

NON EST VERA LIBERTAS NISI IN SOLA ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.

Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

Useful links:

Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va

Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/

Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net

Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/

How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/

Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925

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I think like i'm not fit anywhere, but here I feel good

Hi everyone i am lurking for a while and even writing something since few days i think i like this place, despite a lot of banning and problems with different statement of denominations. But I think is almost healthly discusion here, pls respect more yourself guys, we are from difrent worldview and must traing to understand and love ouerself . I am wrriting becous I have problem with denominations. My father was catholic, my mather orthodox. They conver to protestantism, and marriage in local church and I was growing up in protestan local church. They are in that church until now and claims that this is true faith. I have 20 years and fed up with protestantism i agree with a lot of it but i read saint Augustin and a do resarch of history and theology and I have a need for depth and truth. Protos want good but its is a circus sometimes and deception. I also dont see myself as catholic becous i dont belive in sinless Mary, and don't pray to saints and see that catholic is corupted. I don't know much about orthodox, seems legit but I think it's like catholics there is a lot tradition and less spirit . Also my mother critisite it a lot and says that its like catholicism, Mary worshiper. Its not all about Mary but it one of the topic, infant baptism is also a problem for me.

TL;DR So I feel like I don't fit anywhere… every denomination has something that I can not take with my clear conscience. I feel bad without a community, but I do not know where to go… also think that there is one universal church in the sense that in every denomination they are truly Christians

can you direct me, what can I do and bless me?

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When I was 11 I was sexually abused by a priest and a teacher at my church on three separate occasions. I won't go into details because it is graphic…….. I have never ever told anyone this ever. Nobody actually knows as I am way too ashamed to tell anyone about it. I will probably never tell anybody to tell the truth. But I think it really did winnie the pooh me up. When I was a teen I physically harmed myself and fell into deep despair. I have done multiple suicide attempts. As the years have gone by I taught myself to accept it. Still I get anxiety when I drive by churches sometimes. I don't really come on this board often since I don't actively practice religion. But lately I did pick up a Bible and began reading. I feel like I want to have faith. I want to. But if there is a God, why did he allow one of his priests to abuse me? Why does he allow an entire church that he apparently loves to do horrendous crimes? It's honestly not just the RCC but Christianity and religion in general. I'm sorry I'm rambling. I guess I do that when I talk about this. But I guess what I'm trying to say is deep inside me I want to find faith but with all this evil in the world, especially in religion which is supposedly established by the divine, what do I do? I just have this deep urge in me to go to church but at the same time I am so afraid to do so. I haven't been inside a church in many many years. Anyway sorry for the ramble.

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How do I stop worshiping money? I think it's corrupting me.

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I just want to die. I want the pain to stop. I can't stand growing up and leeching off of everyone just to get by. I hate not being able to find joy in my faith anymore, and I hate the fact that I changed as a person after I lost my virginity. I hate myself. I could have become a priest,or have a good job; now I am sick in the head, and I can'tbear this pain anymore. I want. it to stop ffs.

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From Orthodoxy to Catholicism

I was raised without a religion. Though simple philosophy I became a theist, while I have always had sympathies for the Roman Empire and what I perceived to be its religion, Eastern Orthodoxy. A couple years ago I decided to go to an Eastern Orthodox parish and a year later was baptized into Orthodoxy.

This morning I feel my motivation for attending church has diminished.

Primarily, I feel that Orthodoxy overall presents itself as a passive spiritual refuge. Its leading theologians praise at the highest a seeming retreat from the world and life of inner contemplative prayer. We discourage all legalisms, are wary of the ability of human reason, and overall function outside of mainstream society, being an "other."

From what I see, however, Catholicism presents itself as an active moral force, not only deeply concerned with the moral health and spiritual status of contemporary society, but also overtly involved in trying to capture society's institutions and guide its moral journey. While mainstream Catholicism with its Vatican II reforms seems lackluster and unappealing (much like the mainstream worldwide "conservative" political parties for example), at the basic level I see Catholicism as functionally capable of capturing the heart and soul of the West once again, which is very important to me. I neither see this as a vision or capability of Orthodoxy.

I still believe that the historical case seems to favor Orthodoxy, but, if my musings are correct, I might find the actual practice and function of Catholicism to be more suited to my needs and desires.

Please help dispel my illusions if I am wrong.

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Why did orthobros didn't evangelize ? Why did you only converted Russia before the 21th century ? Seems like a point in favor of catholicism, which converted america, africa and nearly succeded in Japan and China (but still with a lot of fidels in Asia).

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Skier saw 'afterlife' after dying for 20 MINUTES in avalanche before coming back to life…

'IT WAS SO PEACEFUL' Brit skier, 29, saw ‘the afterlife’ after she died for 20 MINUTES in avalanche before coming back to life

http://archive.today/2019.01.03-205020/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8034586/near-death-experience-ski-accident-austria/

A BRITISH skier who 'died' for 20 MINUTES after being trapped in an avalanche revealed today how she "saw a peaceful forest" while experiencing the "afterlife". Rhianna Shaw, 29, said "everything became so peaceful" after she made the chilling decision to stop breathing following a clash on the slopes in February 2012. Rhianna initially thought she was having a vivid dream, because she can recount a number of journeys after a night's sleep. But this was different because she had died, but her brain was still ticking. She said: "I started walking along a pathway in this peaceful, pale forest. It had big tall evergreens on either side. "Everything was as bright as day. Weirdly it was so calming, and it looked like there was some kind of snow on the ground but not like snow as we know it." Rhianna believes she was conscious for at least five minutes before she decided to let herself die.

Experts have suggested that we remain 'trapped' inside our bodies even after our hearts stop beating. Dr Sam Parina and his team from New York University Langone School of Medicine launched a study into consciousness after death. They found that survivors of cardiac arrest were aware of what was going on around them while they were 'dead' before being 'brought back to life'. Rhianna still loves to ski, but is very much aware of the danger guidelines in place. On that day, officials said the threat of an avalanche was a level four out of five. Without her near-death experience, Rhianna wouldn't have had the determination to launch her private tutoring service. The "peaceful" forest, opened her eyes that she had "hacked life", and can now help children "hack their exams" to do really well in their careers, with her Eagle Tutoring service.

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I was reading the sticky and I read through the virtues and it seems like these are just Catholic values…

I want to be a baptist since Catholicism has a lot of extra stuff not in the bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charity_(virtue)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcedonian_Definition

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Crusader memes are cringe and people who post them are more often than not larpers.

Also the word heresy is used too often and the original meaning of the word has pretty much been lost to the average layman.

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Can I "pray the gay away"?

So, I'm a 19 year old boy who was solely attracted to girls, but has developed an attraction to femboys after years of viewing pornography. Is it possible for myself to be rid of homolust through prayer (and/or other spiritual means) or is it now a new form of lust that I must struggle with?

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Which denomination is correct?

So I'm supossedly Anglican (my family makes me go to this cuck multicultural church and dont even attend proper anglican service), and the foundation just sounds dumb. So what is it /christian/, Catholic or Orthodox (not counting Protestant)? pic unrelated

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I need advice /christian/, I'm completely lost.

>be me

>spend entire life wanting to become a writer

>write a few books, have them published by small-time companies because the big companies are Jewish-controlled and only like marxist material

>begin writing screenplays, the ultimate dream is to see my name on the big screen

>begin watching movies, notice every other movie nowadays has a gay main character or a black as the hero

>all the bad guys are white heterosexual males, even those are played by jews

>all major box office and academy award winners push the agenda HARD

>realize I'll have to marxify my screenplays and further the Satanic/Globalist agenda if I want to have a career

My motivation is completely sapped. I feel there is no hope that what I write will ever be given credence unless I sell my beliefs down the river, and even then, I know it'd be rejected by future generations.

The only thing I'm good at is writing. And lately I feel like I can't do it anymore. I'd rather die with my beliefs than live a hypocrite, but that idea is unbearable. There is no exposure when I write good works, only bad gets coverage. I'm so winnie the pooh afraid I'll have to give up my dreams and wagecuck for the rest of my life.

Help me /christian/, what should I do?

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Brain scanner to 'find human soul'…

They will use powerful magnetic forces to observe the structure and activities of every neuron in a living brain

http://archive.today/2018.12.20-173415/https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8017068/chinese-scientists-to-try-to-find-the-human-soul-with-100m-state-of-the-art-brain-scanner/

The aim is to build the world’s most powerful MRI device - which may one day be able to help answer one of life's big questions. The mystical soul, according to many religious, philosophical, and mythological traditions, is the true essence of a living being. Simply stated, it is said to be the part of a person that is not physical and lives on long after the body experiences death.

The scanner “will revolutionise brain studies”, said a senior scientist working on the top secret project in Shenzhen. The total budget for the state-backed facility will even exceed that of FAST, the world’s largest telescope in Pingtan.

“It will show us a different world with phenomenon unseen before … maybe even the soul,” one scientist told the SCMP. “We may for the first time capture a full picture of human consciousness or even the essence of life itself," said another physicist. "Then we can define them and explain how they work in precise physical terms – just like Newton and Einstein defined and explained the universe,” he said.

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realistically, how long should this take to read? its just the new testament

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What's the difference between catholics and protestans?

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Why is r/Christianity so liberal?

I've been browsing it for a few weeks and it's more like a left wing political hug box than a place to discuss Christianity. They actually downvote standard Christian doctrine like homosexuality being a sin

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Pope suggests Our Lady wasn’t born a ‘saint’, Portuguese bishop downplays her virginity

VATICAN CITY, January 2, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – As Catholic faithful continue with Christmas celebrations, controversies have arisen over two statements, one from a bishop and the other from Pope Francis, that may contradict Marian Dogmas of the Catholic Church.

In a Dec. 23 interview given to Portuguese new media, Bishop Manuel Linda of Oporto, Portugal, stated “we should never refer to the physical virginity of Mary."

"The Old Testament says many times that Jesus was to be born of a maiden, a daughter of Israel, who was simple, poor, and humble. But this is truly just a reference to the full devotion of this woman to God. The gift of being mother of God was given to Mary because she had an undivided heart. What matters is full giving of herself…" In explicit detail, he further stated. “There certainly are women with a ruptured hymen who are more virgin in the sense of full devotion to God than some with an intact hymen."

When the report of these statements hit the Portuguese press on Christmas Day, an almost immediate outcry from lay faithful in his diocese forced Bishop Linda to “clarify” his words.

Evidence that the Dogma of the Perpetual Virginity of Mary has been held since the foundation of the Church. Catholic doctrine holds that Mary was a virgin before, during, and after Christ’s birth. Direct reference to it is found within the Lateran Council of 649 A.D. where it is stated that “Mary conceived ‘without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his [Jesus’] birth.’” To state anything other than this is in direct contradiction to the Catholic Faith.

Just days prior, Pope Francis—during his annual address to the families of Vatican Employees on December 21—suggested that Mary was not born a saint, but worked to “become” one.

“Our Lady and Saint Joseph are full of joy: they look at the Child Jesus and they are happy because, after a thousand worries, they have accepted this gift of God, with so much faith and so much love,” he said.

“They are ‘overflowing’ with holiness and therefore with joy. And you will tell me: of course! They are Our Lady and Saint Joseph! Yes, but let us not think it was easy for them: saints are not born, they become thus, and this is true for them too,” he added.

Controversy has arisen with the pope’s last two sentences.

The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary states that the “most Blessed Virgin Mary, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege from Almighty God and in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, was kept free of every stain of original sin.” Therefore, when Pope Pius IX declared, infallibly, the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception, the Church declared that Our Lady was conceived and born without sin.

In other words, Our Lady was, indeed, born a saint, albeit by a singular grace of God.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-suggests-our-lady-wasnt-born-a-saint-portuguese-bishop-downplays-her

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All I want for Christmas is to get over my 12 year old porn addiction

Is that too much to ask?

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Genesis 1-11

How is Genesis 1-11 supposed to be interpreted? Most OT scholars say it's not meant to be taken literally, so then how should Adam & Eve, the flood, and the tower of Babel be interpreted in a way that won't cause a feeling of major doubt as Christians?

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Anger after Cardinal blames homosexuality, not Catholic church, for cleric sex abuse…

A German cardinal has sought to blame homosexuality for abuse in the church even as Pope Francis urges bishops to end cover-ups

http://archive.today/2019.01.04-232426/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/04/homosexuality-blame-sexual-abuse-not-catholic-church-claims/

A German cardinal on Friday provoked anger and controversy when he claimed the Catholic church was not responsible for sexual abuse by its clerics, and instead sought to pin the blame on homosexuality. “What has happened in the church is no different from what is happening in society as a whole,” Cardinal Walter Brandmüller said. “The real scandal is that the Catholic church hasn’t distinguished itself from the rest of society.” A study commissioned by the German Bishops Conference and published last year found that more than 3,600 children were sexually abused by Catholic clergy in Germany between 1946 and 2014. But Cardinal Brandmüller claimed that only a “vanishingly small number” of clergy had committed abuses. He said the real problem was homosexuality and claimed it is “statistically proven” that there is a link between homosexuality and abuse. Society “forgets or covers up the fact that 80 per cent of cases of sexual assault in the church involved male youths not children,” he told Germany’s DPA news agency in an interview a few days ahead of his 90th birthday.

Cardinal Brandmüller’s outburst comes days after the Pope urged Catholic bishops in the US to confront the “sins and crimes” of sexual abuse by the clergy and “the efforts made to deny or conceal them”. “Everything we do risks being tainted by self-referentiality, self-preservation and defensiveness, and thus doomed from the start,” Pope Francis wrote in a letter to American bishops ahead of a spiritual retreat to reflect on the issue. “As we know, the mentality that would cover things up, far from helping to resolve conflicts, enabled them to fester and cause even greater harm to the network of relationships that today we are called to heal and restore.” Cardinal Brandmüller has been one of Pope Francis’ most outspoken critics within the Catholic church, and is one of four cardinals who have repeatedly challenged the Pope’s teachings on love and family life. The cardinal’s comments were swiftly condemned on social media and by leading German commentators. “What a shameful way for the Catholic Church to relativise guilt and defame homosexuals. Disgraceful,” Ulf Poschardt, the editor of Welt newspaper, wrote on Twitter.

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Mystery Babylon

Which country do you think matches the description for the Mystery Babylon of the end times?

I've heard things like America, Jerusalem, Rome(Catholic Church), Mecca, etc.

Which country fits the best description(s) about the Mystery Babylon?

I'm fully aware that things can completely change in several hundred years, but for the sake of this thread, let's assume the events of Revelation takes place in our lifetime.

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My school is pozzed

I work at a catholic college. The last nun President was in the 70s. We just got our first female lay president, and within a few years of her presidency we’ve had transgender day with clothing swap, we’re building multiple gender non-binary bathrooms, we are hiring “diverse” people, and we have to go to inclusivity training.

The previous male president was semi pozzed by allowing a gay pride club, but he did BTFO them by saying they couldn’t do something on campus because we had to respect the teachings of the Catholic Church.

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How to not lose faith in humanity?

Just found this on /b/ I know terrible place to keep browsing, but I can't help it

Along with some other discussion elsewhere about the rampant degeneracy going on, the constant threads around here about frustrations of sincere men in finding a suitable partner, along with the "nature of women" thread showcasing the worst side of their personalities, plus the several /pol/ tier threads about feminism and wicked influences of our pozzed society.

So I ask, how do you guys do not lose faith and drown in negativity?

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>As God, Jesus has no mother, only a Father

Now that Sam Shamoun accepted and evangelized the apostolic teaching of the Christotokos, are you guys going to add him to the great book of grudges?

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If one wanted to become a Catholic in the current year is an SSPX parish the best option? What do more mainline Catholics and the Vatican think of SSPX?

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Wait, you can't re-marry and have another wife if your current left his husband ?

Apparently, Jesus said that if you remarry and have another woman, you are commitung adultery, and thus you are sinning.

Which I can understand if you do it volontary.

But what if you marry to a woman and that said woman decides that she later wants to be a "strong and independant woman" and devorce you/ left you, by the catholic faith, you can't remarry and start a family with another woman and you are destined to live childless and without family for the rest of your life, only because that woman left you for apparently no legitamate reasons ?

And what if you marry a woman and that you want to procreate many children and have a happy life and then, the woman dies in an accident, you are yet supposed not to marry with someone else because you would be commiting adultery ?

Can someone explain this to me, because this would be very unfair to the man in this example.

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Eternal Punishment

1. State your Denomination

2. Do you believe in Eternal Punishment?

3. Do you think everyone deserves to be eternally punished?

4. Why?

~

feel free to digress into distinctions on sheol/hell and the eternal lake of fire, but they're probably a secondary issue; as is purgatory

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Western Christianity vs Eastern Christianity

Which is better, Western Christianity (Catholicism and Protestantism); or Eastern Christianity (Orthodoxy, Nestorianism)?

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>tfw transgender

>tfw detransitioning and broke up with Trans gf to follow Jesus

sad…but it is for the better

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Life is Worth Living

Post your favorite Life is Worth Living episodes.

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Explain sacraments after reading this verse

Prove Jesus wrong

Protip: you can’t

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What's the point of staying a virgin til marriage if there are no loyal virgins anyway? Why shouldn't I just stop caring and go to a bar, get a hook up online, or get a hooker? Why trade what I kept for damaged goods? It's not like staying a virgin has blessed me in anyway anyways. I know there's no chance in finding a decent girl. Girls are bound to be disloyal.

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Jesus's genealogy

I have a few concerns about Jesus's genealogy that have caused some doubt about the New Testament for me, hopefully, you guys can help address this. First of all, why is there a discrepancy between the accounts of Jesus's genealogy in Luke and Matthew? Secondly, tribal claims are inherited through the father, and tribal claims also didn't pass through adoption in Hebrew society as I am told, so how was Jesus from the line of David exactly?

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Three great donation groups who help pursecuted Christian across the globe

https://www.samaritanspurse.org/

https://www.persecution.com/

https://www.opendoors.org/

Let's assist our brothers and sisters from oppressed lands while they spread the good news.

Every little good work helps.

Thank you! :)

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Myth of Addiction

Friendly reminder you can quite smoking or chewing tobacco cold turkey in 3 days with no effect at all. Only physically weak men think quitting is hard.

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Mormons

What do you think about mormons?

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Support for the Papacy

The Bible and the Church Fathers seem to support the Papacy pretty heavily. How do you Eastern Orthodox christians interpret these things? I'm not looking for answers from Protestants though, because anything they say regarding papacy will just be mindless shitposting.

Matthew 16:18-19 (RSV - translated from the original greek)

>18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

So clearly Jesus says He will build His Church on St. Peter, and that it will not fall or be destroyed, and that the Kingdom of Heaven and The Church on earth are linked together. So, regarding to Eastern Orthodox (again, not interested in what protestants have to say about this), wouldn't Jesus have told this to all His apostles if the Eastern Orthodox view of apostolic succession was correct? He said this to St. Peter alone, which is pretty clear of Petrine primacy, and it seems like any other interpretation of apostolic succession, for example the Eastern Orthodox view of "first among equals", is just mental gymnastics.

And then, earlier in the Gospel of Matthew, when Jesus walked on water, He invited St. Peter alone to walk onto the waters with Him, and when Peter's faith starts to falter, Jesus does not allow him to go under the water. This points out to the authority Jesus gave Peter, and that even when the faith of that authority begins to falter, Christ will not let it fail. This is not the only evidence for papacy in the Bible, however I will limit it to this for the sake of space in this post and time spent reading. As I said, I am directing this towards Eastern Orthodox christians, and not protestants. So now I will move on to the Church Fathers (this is where the protestants will move on to the next thread)

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Christmas is a pagan holiday.

There I said it.

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How do I fast and not loose my sick Gains?

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Have you ever witnessed divine intervention or a miraculous sight?

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Radical Female Lutheran Pastor Plans on Melting Down Purity Rings to Make Vagina Statue

December 3, 2018, (Activist Mommy) – Radical Female Lutheran Pastor Plans on Melting Down Purity Rings to Make Vagina Statue

https://activistmommy.com/radical-female-lutheran-pastor-plans-melting-purity-rings-make-vagina-statue/

There aren’t even words to describe how insane this is.

One wonders why Nadia Bolz-Weber even wants to be a pastor. With the beliefs she has about sex, she could simply just be a regular woman in the world.

Perhaps she enjoys all the praise and attention she gets for being a “Christian” who condones premarital sex and pornography (oh, but only if it’s “ethically sourced.”)

After all, progressives absolutely love to pretend to care about Christian morality if they can use it against conservative Christians, totally failing to understand that one random pink-haired liberal “pastor” can’t single-handily undermine God’s objective morality just because she says things that sound more like they come from the Women’s March than the pulpit.

Bolz-Weber is just their gal for this, and she’s making waves with a new “art project” aimed at denouncing “purity culture” and promoting…well, vaginas, apparently.

The Christian Post reports:

>Liberal Lutheran pastor and author Nadia Bolz-Weber has encouraged women to send her their purity rings to be melted down and recast into a golden vagina in protest of evangelical purity culture.

>On Twitter, Bolz-Weber, founding pastor of Denver’s House for All Sinners and Saints, issued a call for people to send her those rings “for a massive art project.”

>“Beginning November 12th, until December 17th, you’ll have the opportunity to send in your purity rings to be melted down and recast into a golden vagina,” she explained on her website. “This sculpture will be unveiled at the 2019 Makers Conference.”

>The website states that those who send in their rings will then receive a “certificate of Impurity as well as a SHAMELESS, impurity ring.”

Again, here is this idea that morality is determined by those who follow the Bible, as if purity culture is wrong because American evangelicals made it up.

It’s not “purity culture” that calls us to be holy and to reserve sexual intimacy for the sacred, not to mention safe, bonds of marriage.

It’s the infallible Word of God.

By the way, how does making a giant vagina statue empower women at all? How does reducing a woman down to her copulatory organs do anything to combat shame or legalism?

The world is full of both women and men who have engaged in sex outside of marriage and seek the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ. There are always going to be churches who treat extramarital sex wrongly, whether being too liberal towards it or unsympathetic to repentant sinners.

This is why we rely on the Bible to guide us, not how people act, and encouraging young women to follow the teaching of the Bible and to have an open and honest relationship with their parents in which they can discuss the importance of purity is far, far better for our culture than encouraging sexual relationships just because some random female pastor makes a vagina statue…or something.

One final thought: do these people seriously miss the bitter irony that we are right now, in the #MeToo era, witnessing the many pitfalls of a sexually open culture? Do they really not understand that when churches and communities discourage young men and women to take sex seriously and aim to save it for marriage, there are far more social structures in place to protect women from abuse and assault?

If only so-called feminist pastors actually did care about protecting women from untoward and abusive men. Then they would find all the solutions they need in the Bible.

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Latin Mass

Why do all these people who dont speak Latin want Latin only mass like whats the point in going to a Mass if you dont understand the Word of The Lord they read and their homily. It just seems so pathetic and larpy to think a mass whoms language you dont speak is superior.

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Should Christians join the army?

I know until Augustine the general position was that Christians should not join the military. What is your overall stance on military service? Is it licit and good for someone to join the US military today?

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Abortion

This woman had a seventh month abortion. She said in her original post that she is sorry, she 'loves' her son, but that isn't the time to have him. She even named him.

This is true evil.

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How do prots reconcile with the fact that their Bibles were pruned to conform to their made up doctrines or filled with Freemason symbols?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther's_canon

>Luther included the deuterocanonical books in his translation of the German Bible, but he did relocate them to after the Old Testament, calling them "Apocrypha, that are books which are not considered equal to the Holy Scriptures, but are useful and good to read."

>Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide)[citation needed] but this personal judgment of Luther was not generally accepted among his followers. However, these books are ordered last in the German-language Luther Bible to this day.[5]

https://vigilantcitizen.com/vc-resources/why-the-secret-teachings-of-all-ages-is-a-must-read-for-truth-seekers/

>In The Secret Teachings of All Ages, Hall dedicates an entire chapter to Sir Francis Bacon and the many ways he purportedly influenced Western civilization. First, Hall asserts that Bacon was given the task to oversee the translation of a new version of the Bible by King James himself – with whom he was very close.

>“It was in recognition of Bacon’s intellectual accomplishments that King James turned over to him the translators’ manuscripts of what is now known as the King James Bible for the presumable purpose of checking, editing, and revising them. The documents remained in his hands for nearly a year, but no information is to be had concerning what occurred in that time. Regarding this work, William T. Smedley writes: “It will eventually be proved that the whole scheme of the Authorised Version of the Bible was Francis Bacon’s.”

>The first edition of the King James Bible contains a cryptic Baconian headpiece. Did Bacon cryptographically conceal in the Authorized Bible that which he dared not literally reveal in the text – the secret Rosicrucian key to mystic and Masonic Christianity?”

>As stated in this last paragraph, the cover of the first edition of the King James version contained various esoteric symbols associated with the Rosicrucian Order.

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I'm afraid to confess to my priest

I've committed bestiality, homosexuality, financial fraud, hit my grandmother and my father, stolen, lied, slept with prostitues, witnessed a friend rape a girl and did nothing, dabbled in the occult, worn women's clothing, betrayed friend's trust, used drugs, and who knows what else. How am I supposed to confess this? How will my priest ever be able to look at me again?

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POPE CALLS FOR WORLD LOVE

See differences as asset, not danger, pope says in Christmas message

http://archive.today/2018.12.25-214026/http://news.trust.org/item/20181225110915-ylfkw

VATICAN CITY, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Pope Francis, in his Christmas message to the world, urged people on Tuesday to see differences as a source of richness instead of danger and called for reconciliation in places torn apart by conflict. Francis delivered the traditional papal "Urbi et Orbi" (to the city and the world) message to tens of thousands of people in a sunny St. Peter's Square from the same basilica balcony where he first appeared as pontiff shortly after his election on March 13, 2013. Security has been tight around the Vatican for the Christmas season, with military jeeps stationed at key access routes and tourists undergoing metal detector and bag searches. Last week police in southern Italy arrested a Somali man suspected of having been a member of Islamic State and who had threatened to bomb churches in Italy, including St. Peter's. In his address, in what appeared to be a reference to the shrill political climate in a number of countries, Francis called for "fraternity among people with different ideas, yet capable of respecting and listening to one another". Francis, the first pope from Latin America, alluded to polarisation over migration, saying God wanted "love, acceptance, respect for this poor humanity of ours, which we all share in a great variety of races, languages, and cultures". "Our differences, then, are not a detriment or a danger; they are a source of richness," he said.

Francis, 82, called for the resumption of dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians to "undertake a journey of peace that can put an end to a conflict that for over 70 years has lacerated the land chosen by the Lord to show his face of love". He urged the international community to work for a political solution in Syria and said he hoped a truce brokered in Yemen's civil war could bring relief to a population exhausted by violence and famine. The Argentinian-born pope also called for social harmony in Nicaragua and Venezuela, both racked by internal political conflicts. The millions of refugees or displaced people in Africa who are in need of humanitarian assistance and food security should not be forgotten, he said. In Ukraine, he called for "a peace respectful of the rights of every nation". Ukraine's relations with Russia have been locked in a downwards spiral since Moscow annexed Crimea 2014 and backed pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine. (Reporting By Philip Pullella Editing by Gareth Jones)

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You can either pray and believe God or Masturbate

Just with masturbation, your spirituality will take a MASSIVE hit, imagine when you add the hookup culture, porn and extremely sexuzalized culture.

Wilhelm Reich (freudian communist jew) realized that when you make people aroused and masturbate, they don't believe in God anymore…So he realized that he could use sex as a political weapon (Book: "The mass psychology of Fascism") and thus that you can either pray or masturbate, but that you can't do both.

See here between 44:00 and 57:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUk3RPWvvtc

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Can you truly be Christian if you don’t like tiggers? You’re supposed to love everyone equally, right?

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Studying/Education

What's apostolic teaching on studying/education?

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Contra Calvinism

I'm working on an essay to refute Calvinism in depth point by point. It will be a 5 Chapter essay with each chapter dealing with one of the 5 points of TULIP, each chapter being at least 10 pages each. I'm at the point where I need to respond to the common Calvinistic interpretation of Romans 9 and to do so I need some resources. And the reason why I made this thread was because I'm gonna need your help finding these resources. And so if you could offer me resources to also refute other areas of Calvinism then that would be much appreciated.

God bless.

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fewness of the saved

https://stevensperay.wordpress.com/the-fewness-of-the-saved-most-christians-go-to-hell/

if the saved saints are so few, what's even the point of tryimg to live with piety, especially if you know youll never reach the narrow gate? I am a Christian, asking earnestly. I read my bible, volunteer, pray when I can. I only wish to grow closer to God, but I cannot imagine that I would achieve eternal life, especially compared to some of the saints quoted in the link above. Is it all hopeless?

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Planned Parenthood is mistreating pregnant women SAYS THE NEW YORK TIMES. Finally.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/business/planned-parenthood-pregnant-employee-discrimination-women.html

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LITERALLY WHY

So I finally confessed my sins today after God knows how many years. I will be taking communion tomorrow and will be reunited with my church. The mass today was your typical Catholic affair, the elderly come to Christ and only a couple of children were present (likely dragged by their families and not of their own volition). So this had me thinking, if a literal meme 30-year-old Doomer like me can see the Truth, the Way and the Life, why is it that most of my generation ignores such an obvious, obvious thing? And this is the question that I humbly submit to my fellow christanons: never before in the history of mankind was it easier to access and accept Our Lord and Saviour, why is the church failing?

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Christian /mu/ thread

I LOVE YOU JESUS CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIST

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Porn Websites getting BTFO by hackers

>High Tail Hall data breach exposes over 400,000 furry fans

>Earlier PornHubp got Infiltrated by hackers and millions got exposed too malware

>Ashley Madison got BTFO fews years ago by based hackers exposing adulterer personal information

Remember. It's not sinningI if you don’t tell credit card numbers. It’s not a sin if you humiliate and exposed degenerates.

https://www.rt.com/news/444663-furry-sex-hack-leak-data/amp/

https://www.newsweek.com/pornhub-hijacked-hackers-massive-malware-campaign-681569

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Anti-Christian psy-ops/memes

what are some anti-Christian lies that (((society))) spreads to dismiss Christianity? some that I can think of are:

>church people are judgmental

>Catholic school students have anal sex to preserve virginity

>muh dark ages

>Christians burned witches/scientists/Jews

>if you're against sodomy you're secretly a faggot

>Easter/Christmas is secretly a pagan holiday

what are some counters to these and others?

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The Problem of Evil (Apparently...)

I was referred to this video recently. I remember watching an extremely old video from this channel where the host said he was a christian of some denomination, but seems their more in the business of trying to debunk religion above anything else nowadays.

What are you thoughts/arguments on this video? (and on a side note, do anyone here know of any popular christian channels with similar view counts?)

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Any Hope for America?

what will it take for so-calleds American Christians to wake up? Evangelical church worships Israel and Jews not, god or Jesus. Americans are blind too how satanic and Christ-hating Jews really are. America it’s was founded by god-hatingg Freemasons. America has the most satanic temples and synagogues in the world. Hard too get more satanic than that.

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Breaking the law in the name of God?

What do if you had to become the law?

I think we can all agree God always comes first but I'm not talking about those kind of situations were you have to hide some jews from the gestapo and no violence is ever needed

>inb4 holohoax, just pretend it happened

In my opinion if we know of any grave immoral crime, and are capable of stopping it, we should always strive to do so in the "best" possible way, (keep in mind this shouldn’t be an attempt to punish but prevent)

I think we would all agree the "best" way is always the one with less violence and same “stopping power”

For example

If you're about to witness a rape…

>you can't call the police because that would take to long, i.e no stopping power

>so you should try and stop it by letting the rapist know you’re a witness, start recording with your phone, flash your gun etc. (And hold him until police arrive)

>If he still shows signs that he's going to go on with it, you should attack him

>If you don’t feel capable of holding him down (say he’s twice your size) then lethal force should be used.

But then I ran this logic with abortions and…

>Can’t call police

>Can’t non-violently stop it

>Therefore the “best” option would seem to be to cut their right thumb off so they can’t carry out abortions anymore

Social repercussions should be accounted for of course, killing the gestapo officer could save people but there would be reprisals, and we should also consider other more peaceful alternatives that tackle the same problem (try and convince doctors and uncertain pregnant women of the value of life). But even so, given they perform an average of 3-8 monthly abortions (allegedly), violence seems justified and even necessary, even though cutting thumbs doesn’t feel very Christian, what should you do if you find yourself in a similar position?

I would also like to know what /christian/ thinks about how to handle less grave crimes which still lead to plenty of tragedy and that the law enforcement, out of corruption, bureaucracy, political immunity or otherwise, aren’t enforcing i.e. banking usury, drug trafficking, money laundering and the like

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Are people really paid to shill here?

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Street Preachers Thread

Hey bros,

I’ve noticed more and more street preaching, and more violent reactions to it. I ended up finding this video cause I was told it was hateful by my profs. So today I dedicate this thread to talking about street preaching and Sharing the work of our brothers in the world today. God knows we need it.

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The book of Enoch

Is Enoch canonical?

Along with the book of giants?

Links:

https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/index.htm

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/giants/giants.htm

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2019

It'll be 2019 years after the advent of our Lord /christian/ in just a few hours, are you ready for the last year of this current decade of the 2010s? Does anyone have any resolutions they'd like to share with everyone? :)

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Some discrepancies between the OT and NT

I'm struggling with resolving some apparent discrepancies between the two testaments.

Is there any mention of The Holy Trinity in the Old Testament? Or passage that leaves the possibility of there being a Holy Trinity open?

Also, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law and not to destroy it, so why were the dietary laws abolished?

pic unrelated

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How do you guys respond to this?

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/wiki/jesus

Why Jews Do Not Accept Jesus as the Messiah

Prophecies unfulfilled

The Messiah is a person who will live up to a series of prophetic expectations and partake of an era marked by particular characteristics. In absence of such being the case, Jesus cannot possibly be the Messiah.

The whole world will worship the One God of Israel. Isaiah 2:11-17, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9

Currently large swaths humanity do not worship the One God of Israel.

Knowledge of God will fill the world. Isaiah 11:9, 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9,16, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalm 86:9

Note that this is knowledge of God - not simply unsubstantiated faith in God. Even amongst the faithful, such knowledge is rare.

All Israelites will be returned to their homeland Isaiah 11:12, 27:12-13, Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24, Deuteronomy 30:3

Though there are more Jews today living in the Land of Israel than there have been since the exile began nearly 2,000 years ago - there is still a large diaspora consisting of millions of Jews.

The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness. Isaiah 51:11

The Jewish people have been historically subject to a great degree of persecution (the Holocaust, the Inquisition, pogroms, etc.) and while generally our condition has improved, we are still a perpetual target.

Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel. Isaiah 52:13-53:5

While modern Germany as a nation-state does much to repent of its history (i.e. the Holocaust), various states and human institutions with much blood and guilt on their hands, to this day either remain silent, white-wash/cover up history, or in some perverse instances even exult in it.

The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance. Zechariah 8:23

While there is today an emerging interest in observance of the Noahide laws (the Torah's universal laws of man), there still has not been an en masse turn towards learned Torah observant Jews for guidance in spiritual matters.

Weapons of war will be destroyed. Ezekiel 39:9

One need only momentarily consider the trillions spent on arms by nations such as the U.S., China and Russia as well as the existence of an immense military industrial complex to realize that this is not the condition we find ourselves in today.

A person’s genealogical/tribal membership are transmitted exclusively through one’s physical father. Numbers 1:18, Jeremiah 33:17

Jesus whose alleged sketchy genealogy is maternal cannot possibly be a verifiable descendent of the tribe of Judah.

The Temple will be rebuilt. Micah 4:1, Ezekiel 40-42, Isaiah 2:2-3, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14:20-21,

The Third Temple is not a metaphor, it is not symbolic of a man. There will be an actual physical building where all of the ritualistic components that the Torah commands be implemented, will be administered by Leviim (Levites) and Kohanim (Priests).

World Peace: Isaiah 2:4, 11:6, 60:18 Micah 4:1-4, Hosea 2:20

The list of ongoing military conflicts is too long to list here. One can hardly pick up a newspaper or hear a news report without being informed of the latest battle, bombing, strike, etc.

Christianity claims that Jesus "Fulfilled the law," i.e. the law is abrogated and need not any longer be observed.

Deut. 13:2-7 concerns the "false prophet" - if one arises who attempts to draw the Jewish people away from Torah observance then he is to be identified as such. The Torah's commandments are an eternally binding covenant with the Jews, God is not a whimsical being subject to a willy nilly changing of the rules - "God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent" (Num. 23:19)

All Jews will embrace Torah observance. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8-10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19-20, 36:26-27.

It is fairly obvious that as the situation stands today, lamentably only a very small percentage of Jews live in observance of the Torah. Secularism has widely been embraced by Jews and some even go so far as deeming such virtuous.

Jesus cannot be a part of God, not him, anybody or anything. Deut 6:4.

The idea of the Messiah actually partaking of divinity is anathema to Torah Judaism. God is ONE. His oneness is inviolable and is not that of a compound unity (like twelve eggs make one dozen, or three divinities make one god).

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Jesus spoke Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, and Latin. Wow that's a lot. People in 1st century Palestine had to know a lot. Wow. Amazing huh?

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How do you respond to that retarded argument "if you hate gays you're closet gay yourself"

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Is the parable of the Talents condoning usury? What a weird analogy to use to make such a point.

Matthew 25:14–30

>" Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten."

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The Autheticity of the Shroud (and other miracles)

Has anyone ever seriously tried to debunk Joe Nickell and his arguments that the shroud is a forgery? He claimed that the NatGeo article on it wasn't honest.

https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/show/fake_turin_shroud_deceives_national_geographic_author

Aside from the shroud, he has claimed to debunk hundreds of other paranormal/cryptic occurrences, including miracles that are accepted in by the church and even the ones that are recorded in the bible. What's your opinion on this guy, and is it necessary to disprove skeptics like him or are such attempts pointless?

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Misanthropy

I'm not sure if this is a unique problem, or if it's sufficiently covered by anything on this board so far, but I would appreciate some feedback.

I've consumed a lot of incel stuff and 'black pills'. I can't help but frame my life through the lens of evolutionary psychology and determinism. What would be the christian response to the 'black pill'? I know God made Adam and Eve, but would Eve have slept with Adam if he wasn't a chad?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/a83x4b/im_christian_transgender_and_looking_for_answers/

Please help me. This thread is making me think its okay to be transgender according to Bible. Please redpill me im very concerned

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POPE FRANCIS: A HOMOSEXUAL CANNOT BE A PRIEST OR CONSECRATED

https://www.aciprensa.com/noticias/papa-francisco-un-homosexual-no-puede-ser-sacerdote-ni-consagrado-89755

I translated some of the Pope's quotes:

>"The question of homosexuality is a very serious one that must be adequately discerned at the beginning of the candidacy. We must be demanding. In our societies it even seems that homosexuality is in style and that mentality, in some way or another, ends up influencing church life"

>"It is something that worries me, because perhaps it was overlooked at some point"

>"When this is not properly discerned, problems arise. Like I was saying before, perhaps the problems do not become apparent immediately, but over time they will show themselves"

>"I had a bishop who was quite scandalised tell me he had found out about several homosexual priests in his diocese, a very large one too. He had to confront all this, before all else, in the formation, to form a different clergy"

>"In the consecrated life and in the priesthood, these sort of affectations have no place. Therefore, the Church recommends that such people with homosexual tendencies should not be accepted into any form of religious life"

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Hello. Should I convert to Islam or Christianity? I am ready to convert to something. Which religion should I be? I believe in God. I read both Bible and Quran a little too. Should I be baptized or do shahada?

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So today is the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People

Am I wrong for not supporting any side in the Arab-Israeli conflict? I don't see how Zionism can be justified without incurring in heresy, and Jews are notorious for their anti-Christian subversion worldwide. However, I don't like the Palestinian leadership either, they are extremely corrupt and are either led by marxists or Islamic radicals.

What is yoir stance on this conflict? Is neutrality a valid option, brothers?

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i want to do gay conversion but im scared

im scared that if i go through it that it wont work or that it will make me not aroused by men or females

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Which denomination is the true one? I feel very drawn to Church of The East and Seventh Day Adventist.

Why I am drawn to CoTE: Because it feels like a good mix between Protestantism and Orthodoxy also because they don't believe in Marianism and Icons/idolatry k heard they are Nestorians though which i don't really know what that is

SDA:Idk tbh i think its the literalism of the Bible im drawn too. I know some believe it's founder Ellen is a prophet abd such too.

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How do I know if a panhandler is faking it for beer money or if he's genuinely seeking help? Should you even bother discerning this or should you just give freely to anyone? I feel like the latter is true but I've seen arguments from Christians that you shouldn't give to people who are just going to buy drugs.

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Ok maybe you can prove God philosophically, but how do we know the God of the Bible is that God? How can you prove revelation without being accused of believing fairy tales? How do we know God isn't some kind of distant supernatural force without conscious experience that is behind the universe and simply gives it causation?

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Please help me restore my faith from evolution and the age of the earth

After reading some things about evolution and the age of the earth, things that seem to make sense to me, my faith is now waning. For the record, I read some articles here on a site where a man claims to be a Christian but also believes in an old earth and in evolution.

https://letterstocreationists.wordpress.com/

The man links to another website that seems to counter many arguments that people that believe in a young earth and in creationism might bring up.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

Is there anyone that has done extensive research in these topics, or has found arguments that cannot be refuted, that continue to believe in the Bible? When I see just how depraved people can be, I think that a judgement at the end of everything makes sense. But what is the basis for such a judgement, and where is the hope, if the theory of evolution and an old earth make accurate predictions and are applied practically in efficiency, as is the case in petroleum companies for the science of geology based on the idea of an old earth?

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Is an authoritarian christian state the only way?

like Salazar's state for example? (english subs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Mzcf0Ef6Y

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LIBERATION THEOLOGY

What are the theological arguments for and against Liberation Theology?

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Podcast general

A thread for discussion and suggestion of good podcast material. Mainly christian…but not necessarily so.

So what do you listen to?

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Correlations between Modern Hell Testimonies

In many modern day testimonies on Hell, especially where extreme sinners become God-fearing Christians because of what they see, there are correlations between them. Two specific accounts are set years apart, but show alarming similarities:

Mario Martinez's testimony on hell, and Mary Baxter's testimony on hell. Both are "out-of-body", but not NDEs. While theirs are the ore extreme ones, they do show detail and connections.

Similarities:

-Witches, Warlocks, Occult Members, and devil-worshippers are in hell, and face brutal punishments

-Homosexuals burn and are chained to one another

-Different parts/sections of hell; cells, pits, outer darkness, barren wastelands, lakes of fires, etc.

-"Christians burning" - burning is also the same in other experiences where flesh is regenerated, then burned. However it isn't a religion distinction where a denomination is facing it, but instead untrue "Christians". They are the ones who don't repent, who don't love, hypocrites, and didn't do things for God.

-Pastors/Ministers, or leaders of the church face a punishment where they are in a coffin and have their hearts stabbed by demons. They gotten this because they took tithes from God

This shows definitely that the path is straight and the gate is narrow. Are there any other accounts of hell that fit in with that or are these lies?

Sauce:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vywj182oFw&t=2s

http://www.precious-testimonies.com/Hope_Encouragement/p-t/TestimoniesAboutPeopleInHell.htm

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Can someone explain the Moscow-Constantinople schism?

Being a recent event of such a large magnitude there's plenty of propaganda, hoaxes, misinformation and so on around it so can someone here explain it to me in detail how it began, why and what are the consequences of it as of now?

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Story Thread

I'd like to know how everyone ended up here on /christian/. I'll go first

>be regular 4/x/ browser

>get sick of all the gnostics and pagans poohing up the Christ threads

>late 2014

>post more to 4/pol/

>get sick of all the hitler idolatry

>early 2015

>start poking around for another home where I can have some christian fellowship

>no luck after a month

>on a whim do a search for "christian image board thats kind of like 4chan" or some pooh

>8/christian/

>alex is cool

>mods were cool

>only one gnostic and hitler is recognized as just a fallible man

>christ-chan is kawaii

It may seem a little mundane how I got here, but this place means a lot to me. So I want to hear how the rest of you came to this place.

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Christians, conservatives, patriots, and nationalists will be blamed for economic collapse

The economic financial system is being brought down by design, by Trump and the bankers. The maximum pain will be caused as they intentionally do the “wrong thing” fiscally, like they did prior to and after the Great Depression, leaving multitudes bankrupt and homeless

https://z3news.com/w/christians-conservatives-patriots-nationalists-will-be-blamed-for-economic-collapse/

Christians, conservatives, patriots, and nationalists are now being closely linked to President Trump and other conservative leaders, like President-Elect Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil. Bolsonaro won the recent Brazilian presidential election with the help of Brazil’s large number of Christians, similar to how Trump won the 2016 U.S. election. In both cases, the news media has made sure the masses know Christians support these leaders, setting the stage for them to be BLAMED for the coming economic collapse with the GOAL of a complete rejection of the VALUES that “led to the collapse”.

The coming economic collapse in the stock market, bond market, derivatives, etc., will cause maximum pain to most of society, but especially those in debt. Many people have no idea that this economic reset has already begun. Interest rates will soar, making many people unable to afford payments on their debt. Many will lose their jobs, houses, cars and other assets, leading them to feel hopelessness and great anger and a desire to seek revenge on those who caused the debacle. And who will be blamed? This anger by the masses will be incorrectly but strategically directed, by the mainstream news media, towards conservatives, Christians, nationalists, and patriots, the same groups the New World Order elites want to extinguish in order to bring about their One World Government, One World Economy, One World Currency and One World Religion.

What can we do to prepare for what’s ahead? I came up with these recommendations:

1. Stay close to God at all times so He can warn you of the coming calamity. The extra warning time you receive could make a significant difference in your ability to get yourself & your loved ones to a safe area before chaos ensues.

2. Understand the strategy underway to incite violence and prepare accordingly for violence potentially directed at you and your family.

3. Try to get out of debt before the crash occurs. Cut out any unnecessary spending.

4. Create alliances with like-minded people that you could band together with during times of trouble that strengthens your group’s ability to defend itself and exist independently.

5. Make a plan for when chaos erupts. This might involve a bug out location, outside highly populated areas.

6. Plan ahead for items you will need to survive and secure these so you can avoid places with people when society becomes unpredictable and/or violent.

7. Do not be fearful. Understand we have been warned of these times coming and God wants us to prepare and hear His voice so He can guide us when these times occur.

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Are Jews possessed by demons?

I still don't fully understand the JQ. I think our societal problems are largely the end result of the industrial revolution, which has led to the most decadent society that has ever existed. I think enough problems would have occurred without Jews that it doesn't matter because it's enough to bring about decline. I see two outcomes: society will either decline to the point where people return to traditional values because they know they will allow them to survive and then create a stable society. Or, new technologies will unlock aspects of the brain we are not yet aware of, and our future society and human behavior and thought will be so different from what experience now that we cannot imagine it.

I am open to understand Jewish roles in our problems, though. I do notice a lot of Jews pushing degeneracy, and a lot of Jews are in positions of power. I also know they have been kicked out of many countries, regroup, then get kicked out again. I am trying to understand Jews, but all I can conclude is they may be possessed by demons. All Jews? Just elite Jews?

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First, I swear I am not trying to troll or ask this question in anything other than good faith. Okay? Okay.

Recovering fag here. Baptized into the church a couple years back. Very new to the faith.

I'll be straightforward: The reasons why sticking things up your butt is against natural order are pretty obvious. What is not obvious to me is why men derive an extreme amount of pleasure from it. The prostate is an erogenous zone, and I can't come up with a good reason why men are built that way, considering that just about any form of stimulating it and enjoying it would be disordered, if not straight-up sinful.

What's the deal with this? Pic unrelated.

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Mother Mary

>Why are you not pure yet Anon? Why do you hesitate to give your life entirely to the Lord?

Answer her.

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What should I do with this?

Went to church with my Aunt and her family over Christmas. She handed me this, but the service never celebrated communion (and never prayed, I noticed). So this stayed in my pocket and I don't know what to do with it

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I thought Poland was a based Christian country. That's what everyone on the right has been telling me.

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Do you have any Christian beliefs that could potentially get you in trouble or are plain unusual for modern norms?

For me, I think that the "breath of life" in Genesis is a reference to the Holy spirit, Who temporarily left humanity after Adam sinned. This makes so much sense to me in light of the fallen nature of man, the law and the NT.

The Hebrews in Exodus were the hyksos, who were enslaved because they started to infiltrate the Egyptian government and the native people fought back.

Water baptism doesn't save anyone in itself, it's rather an initiation of entering the church which is part of salvation.

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Catholic Questions

I'd like to have a friendly discussion about your personal reasons for being Catholic. This is not intended to debate theology in a sort of Protestant vs Catholic brawl, and I will actively avoid such aggravations. I am Protestant, but it always makes me curious how people end up being Catholic. The most disparaging statement I will make in this post is that after taking Christianity more seriously and studying it myself; I found myself more solidified in the Protestant position (although specific doctrines I believe shifted) and immensely more opposed to the Catholic position. Now that the only harsh statement I'll make is out of the way I'm seriously wondering the path others have taken that has ended with accepting Catholicism.

Was there some specific element you couldn't make consistent with Protestant teaching? Was there something that proved to you personally the Catholic Church was the one true Church?

Once again this is not a debate thread but an attempt to shed some illumination on the process by which we come to our own conclusions of truth. That is, logic dictates that even if under the Catholic system we align ourselves with the Catholic presupposition that Protestants err in leaving translation liberal; there still is an element of personal conviction where you must believe if something as a whole is trustworthy or not. In effect, there must have been an inflection point where you personally decided Catholicism was a source/the only source/ or a main source of truth and decided to follow it.

As for me I am happy to express what point drove me to solidify myself upon the Protestant (and more specific what denomination) foundation I have settled upon, but I will let the Catholics go first. For the most part I would be happy with seeing some specific resources or information you came upon that had the largest bearing in your decision.

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Has anyone else noticed people nowadays, especially online, using outright blasphemy against God?

Never before did I see this sort of thing start happened until around 2013, but now I see it everywhere. I just joined an online videogame with a user's name that said F### Jesus. This game has a kick function where if 5 users to vote to kick, out of the 8 total he get's kicked. Only 3 voted yes. And if it's not that it's another guy named Lucifer666. What is worse is that our kids are being raised as if it's COOL to do this.

These people are now allowed to walk around, spouting their evil doctrines, which the Bible itself prescribes worthy of DEATH by stoning, and the nu-Christians will allow it to happen, just like they allowed the Godless atheists to take over our country. We truly are in the end times. We should never have to tolerate a society that dishonors God's name in the most vile way possible. When will Christians decide to do as their crusading ancestors did and save society from these monsters? That's a rhetorical question, as I have little faith that would happen. No, we are taught a new age, twisted and false doctrine of passivity Christ did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34. All in this idea of purity, as if driving out the people who cause your sickness is in itself a sin, due to legalistic definitions.

Our world deserves fire and brimstone, and the remaining people (maybe 10% of Western Society) who are ACTUALLY Christians will sit with their heads in the sand until people come knocking on their doorsteps demanding they receive the Mark of the Beast.

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Ukraine's autocephaly be like

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What is the general consensus about the Old Testament?

Should it be something that we should completely ignore and not read?

Should it be something that we should read for context and evolution of the faith ? (The transition from Old Testament to New Testament)

Or should it be something that we should take seriously in our faith and take spiritual lessons from it ?

I've never read the bible (not yet) but my general comprehension is that the Old Testament is the exclusive Jewish Supremacist race book with some quiet barbaric, supremacist and evil "morals". However, the God is the same God as the one from the New Testament (of course). So..What is the consensus here? Only read the New Testament and maybe read the Old Testament for context,evolution and comparison ?

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Evolutionary blasphemy?

Is evolutionary theory blasphemous? Is it wrong (morally/theologically) to believe in it? Is belief in evolution anti-Christian?

This thread is NOT about whether it is correct as a theory (though, that's obviously a related question). I just want to know if there is a case to be made, from scripture or holy tradition, that to even believe in evolution is unchristian or blasphemous. Opinions? I would also ask the same thing for Old Earth.

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Julian the apostate

What do you think of him?

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Christian /Relationship/ General

A thread for Christians of every denomination also for non-Christians who seek help.

Single eh? you must probably improve yourself first before you seek for life partner.

>Marriage Advice

Baptists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRqMG0W37-Q

Catholics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbhDCmzX4mw

By C.S Lewis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXi4-_HPRk&list=PL5I_DVzcDG5jWpIy2j23Qnc03YsbJnIsH

The Necessity of Chivalry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBT9LasyC3E

Focus on the Family broadcast: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/media/daily-broadcast

>Diet

“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

? Hippocrates

Resources for Ketogenic diet:

Dr. Eric Berg: https://www.youtube.com/user/drericberg123 (best source if you're an absolute beginner)

The Ketogenic bible: http://b-ok.cc/book/2823443/e965b0 (a must read before you start your diet)

Your brain on ketosis: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/low-carb-ketogenic-diet-brain

–Fasting–

Suffering from loss of focus or feeling tempted to sin? Try fasting!

Fasting is proven to be beneficial, don't starve yourself but do the right type of fasting.

Difference between Fasting and Starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAm66TbPcY

Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew 17:21 KJV)

(IMPORTANT: Please don't reduce protein and fat intake, you don't want to lose your muscles)

>Knowledge

If you're new to philosophy try this: https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-content/wi-phi

(Basic) Theology: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI5U0R293u9uveijefKyAA

>About Marriage

The Meaning of Marriage: http://b-ok.cc/book/1259768/79049c

Can't cook? Learn to cook from based Chef John, he's p funny too!

https://www.youtube.com/user/foodwishes

>Music and arts

Guitar: https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe

Piano: https://www.youtube.com/user/PianoLessonsForKids

Music: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/music

Art: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities

Bad at being social? Try reading "How to win friends and influence people" (be careful! might make you look autist)

Essential readings:

Bible

The Pilgrims Progress

Plato- Republic

Confessions by Blessed Augustine

All of the Dostoevsky works

Mere Christianity

The Screwtape letters

Ivanhoe

Pride and Prejudice or Sense and Sensibility (It's really comfy read)

Things to avoid:

Stop carving sugar, seriously it's worse than cocaine

Don't indulge into politics, both right and left are two sides of same coin, it'll brainwash you, be yourself.

Avoid Media and TV, again it'll just manipulate and trigger your emotions

Avoid Social Media, research has shown that people who scroll through FB are more likely to be sad than those who don't

Regarding women:

Don't treat women as objects, seriously y'all incels need to realize this!

Guess it's enough, Why did the mods delete my previous post? I've put a lot of hard work into it!

Rules:

Don't bash individuals for choosing women/men of different skin shade

Don't be racist

Do not bring up denominational fight in this thread

Do not mock others, this is a friendly thread and try to help others

Quote to remember:

He who stops being better, stops being good.

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another damn question thread

I have a question that's partially philosophical on the nature of the perfectness in heaven, it goes something like this

>A family member, say your mom (though it could be anyone you're very close to) that you love doesn't believe in God, but you do

>You eventually both die, you go to heaven and that person goes to hell

So then, with the knowledge that your loved ones are in hell, what would be so great about heaven? Wouldn't that thought alone would deeply damage the idea of heaven being perfect and of great joy?

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gif/webm thread

gif/webm thread

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A question

Hello everyone and Merry Christmas. To be honest my heart has been led astray from God for a few years now and I've been wanting to change this for awhile. I've looked into many religions plenty of times, but I always end up back to ambiguity between Judaism and Christianity. My main hang up is the common Jewish criticism that Jesus doesn't fullfill many of the Messianic prophecies mentioned in the OT, particularly in Isaiah. These prophecies being for example, the temple being rebuilt, weapons of destruction being destroyed, the dead rising, etc. Can anyone explain how Jesus fullfilled these prophecies? The response, "They'll be fullfilled during the Second Coming," has felt like a cop out to me recently, so if anyone can explain why it isn't, I'd be very grateful. Thank you all for reading this.

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So...what's the most accurate FRENCH catholic bible ?

Which version ?

Since english is not my mother tongue but that I speak french instead, I would like to know, since I don't want to read the bible for the first time with a kiked translation.

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Is Male pattern baldness a curse from God?

Instead of perfume there will be rottenness; and instead of a belt, a rope; and instead of well-set hair, baldness; and instead of a rich robe, a skirt of sackcloth; and branding instead of beauty. - Isaiah 3:24

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Let's supose you had a mystical experience of communition with God.

Which should you prioritise, the Liturgy of your Church or the commandments you receive in said experience of Union with Creator?

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Jesus

Post your favourite Jesus pictures/wallpaper

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How do Orthodox explain the papacy? Why did God allow the church of Rome church to survive to this day and convert the world?

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The Young Pope

I just saw this last month. I personally didn't like it too much but I want to hear your opinions on it.

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So Ben Shapiro talked with a catholic bishop about stuff. What's are the resident catholics take on this interview?

>Bishop Robert Barron joins me to discuss the best response to sex scandals in the Catholic Church, his possible concerns with the rise of Protestantism, and we seek to answer the age-old question: Who gets to go to heaven?

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Baptists are not Protestants, we are Christians. Protestantism is a spin off of Roman Catholicism and they even baptize their babies and worship idols. We do none of that therefore we are not Protestants. Seriously sick and tired of you guys saying we are Protestants. No we are not we are Christians. We were established by Jesus Christ himself and suffered sever persecution from the Roman Catholic Church and Protestants for centuries for being Christians.

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What is the Roman Catholics' opinion on the:

1. private ownership of guns

2. giving guns as presents on Christmas

3. decorating Christmas trees with non-Christmas related items like on attached pics?

?

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This is a very nice article on Christmas and Easter.

It even says that the truth is for one who accepts it, if they ant they can, and even if they do, stop forcing others to.

https://www.cfcindia.com/article/christmas-and-easter-christian-or-pagan

pic unrelated

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Students launch Satanic club at NC State…

“… As long as the devil is rejected in the minds of people anywhere, there remains some objective distinction between good and evil.”

http://archive.today/2018.12.25-074336/https://www.thecollegefix.com/students-launch-satanic-club-at-nc-state/

A new club has just completed its inaugural semester at North Carolina State University, welcoming students interested in Satanism. The club calls itself “Satanic Students at NC State,” and its leaders say they promote humanism and are working to build up the fledgling group at the Raleigh-based public university. “This semester, the group has held public meetings to attract and gain interest,” Satanic Students told The College Fix in an email interview. “These meetings have largely consisted of discussions with new and potential members about the type of Satanism practiced by the group.” According to its “get involved” website: “The mission of Satanic Students at NC State University is to 1) encourage benevolence and empathy among all people, 2) reject tyrannical authority, 3) advocate scientific examination of the universe and our place in it, 4) promote morality and justice based on rational, humanistic values, and 5) be directed by the human conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by the individual will.”

In an interview with Technician, Peter Aker, a junior studying chemical engineering and president of Satanic Students, cited an example of The Satanic Temple of Arizona’s “Menstruatin’ With Satan” campaign to distribute free feminine health care products to those in need as the kind of event that illustrates Satanism is not all about Satan worshipping. “I want to start having more displays of symbology, like having chalkings around campus or putting up posters,” Aker said. “Fitting along the lines of these things like, believing in yourself or loving yourself, talking about individuality. But really it’s all up to the membership and what they want to do.” According to a 2017 column in Crisis Magazine, a Catholic publication, there is a “growing threat” from Satanism underway in the U.S. The article cites the increase seen recently in “After School Satan Clubs” as well as efforts to get Satanic monuments erected on public land. “The real issue is all about the mainstreaming of Satanism in America. Much as the same-sex ‘marriage’ debate was about acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle, so also Satanic groups seek social acceptance,” according to the column. “Indeed, this is what the Satanists themselves declare. For them, it has nothing to do with religious practices. Many of them even allege they have none. They simply want to mainstream Satanism so that it will be viewed as normal.”

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Idaho Roman Catholic priest who lived in world of devil and child porn sentenced to 25 years..

Rev. W. Thomas Faucher, a longtime priest in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Boise, was accused of amassing thousands of child porn images and videos on his home computer

http://archive.today/2018.12.21-070016/https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article223358745.html

In the months that followed police investigation looked at chats and emails that showed Faucher was “actively seeking interests with gay men, satanic interests” and the rape and killing of minors. He also described the contents of the images police found on Faucher’s cellphone, computer and Dropbox account: more than 2,500 files that were sexually exploitative or pornographic with young-looking subjects. The files were described by police as violent, disturbing and torturous, some involving children crying. In online chats with a person called “Bruno,” Faucher expressed a desire to have sex with boys, Brumbaugh said. Faucher said he had “satanic desires,” an attraction to 6-year-old boys and that “the thought of killing someone does begin to excite me,” according to the detective.

Brumbaugh also said Faucher’s online conversations about shared child pornography include the Catholic priest talking about fantasies, including the sexual abuse of altar boys and babies, and saying that he liked a video of a boy being being beaten to death. “The volume of [images] was something I haven’t come across,” Brumbaugh said, and added that the extreme nature of the images took a toll on himself and others involved in the investigation. As Faucher solicited more videos of young boys, he wrote that he felt “wonderful indifference,” Brumbaugh told the courtroom. Faucher pleaded guilty to five felony crimes and has been sentenced to 25 years in prison without parole and will be required to register as a sex offender. Faucher, 73, was accused of amassing thousands of child porn images and videos on his home computer — and pleaded guilty in September to sharing some of those images online. He apologized in the courtroom ahead of his sentencing at the Ada County Courthouse in Boise on Thursday. “This is the crime that has the potential for both immediate and long-lasting consequences,” 4th District Court Judge Jason Scott said. “… I think there is a legitimate risk to the community.”

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What is your honest opinion on Christmas trees?

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Temper

I don't have any Christian friends. I have pagan ones. I'm a bad argumenter, but religion comes up often. I lose my temper and want to break shit. Is the best solution really just to withdraw entirely? I'd like to find more resources to support me and read but I can't read anything anymore without zoning out and I've lost a good portion of my mental faculties due to drinking, depression, and social isolation. I constantly feel like an idiot because of my Faith, though my faith is strong, and frankly it's starting to get to me. Nobody takes seriously what is the most important thing in the world to me. How deal?

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Merry Christmas /christian/!

Merry Christmas everybody. Christ is born! Did you guys get what you wanted? If so, what?

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Boomer Church BTFO

This is why I do not worry about the future of the Catholic Church. [That and, you know, Jesus' promise that the gates of hell would not prevail against her.] Dumb Boomers will not be in charge forever.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181206212653/https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/north-carolina-church-exile-battles-restorationists?fbclid=IwAR2RC0rJsrodlHCLOQwjTkTN6BGyyRO0F8ijwP1dFTcxnsawXwHoPXTVKyU

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Pope assails insatiable greed of consumerism; forgo greed, gluttony…

The pontiff, 82, condemned inequality in his Christmas service at St Peter's Basilica in Vatican City last night

http://archive.today/2018.12.25-071521/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6527767/Pope-Francis-welcomes-tens-thousands-St-Peters-Square-Christmas-mass.html

Pope Francis assailed the "insatiable greed" of today's consumerism at the Vatican and pilgrims crowded into the church at the traditional site of Jesus's birth in Bethlehem on Tuesday as Christmas celebrations began worldwide. Thousands attended mass on Monday night at the Vatican's Saint Peter's Basilica, where Pope Francis, the head of the world's 1.3 billion Catholics, offered his Christmas homily. "An insatiable greed marks all human history, even today, when, paradoxically, a few dine luxuriantly while all too many go without the daily bread needed to survive," the 82-year-old pope said. Pope Francis will deliver his sixth "Urbi et Orbi" address on Tuesday, Christmas Day – when Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ – to pilgrims gathered in Saint Peter's Square.

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Fedoras and LARPagans are shilling on 4chan harder than they ever have.

I'm seeing less Christians on the offensive there. Why are we giving up ground? 8/pol/ was once full of Christians as well, and then LARPagans spammed and influenced the mods. Now LARPagans can shit up threads with spam, and if you post anything against them, you're banned and deleted for "muh divide and conquer" or "muh shill" while all of their images and posts stay up.

They are relentless autists because they are of Satan and deceived. They think they are doing good, but truly they are the same as the Pharisees. You may think 4chan or 8chan doesn't matter, but they are very influential places for the undercurrents of culture. No other places allow open discussion without thought policing for millions of people.

Christ was in the midst of what we would consider terrible people, yet He wanted to save them. We should be no different. Do not give up ground. Your enemy works day and night to destroy the minds and souls of the young and the ignorant.

Be the salt of the earth and be present.

Evangelize and preach.

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Merry Christmas, anons.

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Why the popes had a problem with free market capitalism

December 19, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – It is no secret that probably a majority of Catholics in the United States who consider themselves faithful to the Church's magisterium and traditions are at the same time adherents of what is properly called neoliberalism, a position that calls for an economy with as little regulation as possible, a political stance known in the United States as conservatism. However, the main tenets of this understanding of politics and economics not only are not rooted in Catholic thought, they are in stark contradiction to it. They are products of the 18th-century Enlightenment, in fact they are a species of liberalism, as is recognized in most countries of the world, where that term is used to designate the Enlightenment view of society that arose in rebellion against the Christian civilization of the Middle Ages.

This is a viewpoint about both politics and economics, for it is the political question which underlies the economic. In fact, they concern one of the most fundamental questions about government. Does government exist only to restrain and punish evildoers? Hence does it have little or no positive role to play in society? Is it correct to say, as a contemporary adherent of this view, Fr. Robert Sirico, expressed it, "So long as individuals avoid forceful or fraudulent actions in their dealings with one another, government is to stay out of their business"? (Acton Notes, vol. 8, no. 1, January 1998, p. 1)

In contrast to this view, Catholic thought recognizes a positive role for the state, as we can see in the writings of the Roman pontiffs on social matters. Pope Pius XI, in his 1931 encyclical Quadragesimo Anno, discussing the earlier encyclical of Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum, rejects the view that governmental authority is limited only to restraining or punishing evil doers.

With regard to the civil power, Leo XIII boldly passed beyond the restrictions imposed by liberalism, and fearlessly proclaimed the doctrine that the civil power is more than the mere guardian of law and order, and that it must strive with all zeal "to make sure that the laws and institutions, the general character and administration of the commonwealth, should be such as of themselves to realize public well-being and private prosperity." (no. 25)

And more recently Pope Paul VI, in his Apostolic Letter Octogesima Adveniens of May 1971, wrote,

Political power, which is the natural and necessary link for ensuring the cohesion of the social body, must have as its aim the achievement of the common good. While respecting the legitimate liberties of individuals, families and subsidiary groups, it acts in such a way as to create, effectively and for the well-being of all, the conditions required for attaining man's true and complete good, including his spiritual end. (no. 46)

Of course, the Church has never advocated a statist or totalitarian society. It is one of the unique aspects of Catholic thinking on the social order that it rejects both the notion that the unrestrained selfish strivings of sinful humanity necessarily promote the general welfare, and on the other hand, that the primary responsibility for the ordering of economic life rests with the government itself. Instead, regulation, as much as is feasible, should be undertaken by lower and smaller groups or bodies charged with promotion of the common good. This is the famous principle of subsidiarity, a principle, however, often misunderstood to mean that for-profit entities should be the main actors in an economy.

If one reads Pius XI's two great encyclicals that deal with economic matters, Quadragesimo Anno and Divini Redemptoris, he will see that the pope is calling for a revival of something like the medieval guilds, not of course in the sense of limiting technology to the level of the Middle Ages, but in order to call into being organizations or societies whose aim is to ensure that the economy functions both efficiently and justly. These modern guilds or occupational groups would have as their aims the prosperity of their own industries, the provision to the public of a quality product at a fair price, and the just remuneration of everyone involved in the production process.

(cont)https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/why-the-popes-had-a-problem-with-free-market-capitalism

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Census of Qurinius?

So was Qurinius govenor 6 C.E. or 4 B.C.? Because most histroians agree Qirinius was governor not at the of Herod the Great.

Also, even if the census could be dated 4 B.C., Romans censuses did not require one to return to their ancestral home. Typically the Romans would just go from house to house where people lived. If returning to ancestral home had happened, surely it would have been mentioned by Josephus right since it would've been a huge event. Thousands of people would be immigrating all around.

Most scholars and historians think Luke was simply mistaken because he was trying to have Jesus fulfill prophecy. In reality Jesus was most likely born in or nearby Nazareth.

So how do we solve these problems?

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Saint Serapim of Serov’s Daily Rule of Prayer

Very easy, any Orthodox or even Roman Catholic could do it in less then 3 minutes (from: https://stjohndc.org/en/orthodoxy-foundation/lessons/prayer-rule-st-seraphim-sarov)

>1. When you wake up, make the Sign of the Cross

>2. Go to wherever your prayer closet/Icon corner is and make the sign of the cross, and then say 3 Our Fathers, 3 Hail Marys, and the Nicene Creed

>3. During the day, say the Jesus Prayer quietly to yourself, or if people are around, “Kyrie Eleison” in your head

>4. At night, repeat step 2

>5. When laying in bed, say make the Sign of the Cross and repeat “O Most Holy Theotokos, Have Mercy on Me” until you fall asleep.

Fr. Seraphim said “Keeping this rule, it is possible, to reach Christian perfection, for the three prayers indicated are the foundation of Christianity. The first, as the payer given [to us] by Christ Himself, is the model for all prayers. The second was brought from Heaven by the Archangel to greet the Virgin Mary, the Mother of Our Lord. The Symbol [of our faith] contains in brief all of the salvific dogmas of the Christian Faith.”

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LARPagans proclaim the Beast

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/11/yeats-baptist.html

>Greg Johnson writes of what he considers to be the hopeful message of Yeats's Second Coming:

>Just as the birth of Jesus inaugurated Christian civilization, the rough beast will inaugurate a new pagan civilization. Its core values will be different than Christian values, which, of course, horrifies Christians, who hope to revive their religion. But the new pagan values, unlike Christian ones, will actually be believed, bringing the reign of nihilism to its end and creating a new, vital civilization. For pagans, this is a message of hope.

Who is Greg Johnson?

https://www.counter-currents.com/2010/10/homosexuality-and-white-nationalism/

>Intolerance of homosexuality does not just divide the white population, it divides the White Nationalist movement. Ernst Röhm was not the last homosexual to be attracted to White Nationalism. I have met a number of homosexuals in the contemporary White Nationalist movement, and I have my suspicions about a few others. All of these people, however, are intelligent and accomplished. They are real assets to the movement.

>intolerance of homosexuality is Jewish.

These are the people that push LARPaganism: literal homosexuals that await, with excitement and anticipation, the Beast of Revelation, and the death of Christian civilization.

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communion on the tongue

listen to me, you fricking faggots.

only receive communion on the tongue.

>be me at Mass today

>my turn to receive the eucharist

>for some reason i make eye contact with the father and my mind goes blank because autism

>he gives it to me and i turn away to walk back

>as i go to take the eucharist out of my hand - my brainwaves still jammed - i accidentally fricking slap it out of my hand

>luckily i managed to catch it, but not without looking like a complete retard and letting out an audible "shit"

>there were two qt girls sitting in the front row too because they did the readings, and i did this shit literally two feet in front of them

>i can't even imagine the look of shear horror i had on my face as i saw the body of christ literally floating in midair in front of me

moral of the story is don't let this happen to you, receive communion on the tongue from now on. i'm never putting the body of christ into my butter fingers again.

thank God i caught it at least and didn't let it touch the ground

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I don't really understand the point of Anglicanism

I consider myself lapsed Catholic and don't really have problem with individual Anglicans but wasn't Anglicanism created/revived by a fat king so he could dump his wife and make the church his minion by proclaiming himself head of church and taking their property? I hardly consider him good Christian. Isn't that similar to what Nazi Germany did and modern China trying to do? At least Luther had legit concerns about corruption within church. Am I forgetting something?

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Priest: ‘The Vatican has become a theological Chernobyl’

NEW YORK, New York, December 20, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – The Vatican has become the equivalent of nuclear catastrophe in terms of its theology, a noted priest scholar said.

Father George Rutler, citing a number of Pope Francis’s statements and acts, including the pope’s recent pronouncements on the death penalty, said the Church’s highest office is diminished when its obligations to the perennial teachings of the fathers are neglected, and the faithful are also “at risk when they are offered confusion and superficiality in place of systematic thought.”

“In short,” Father Rutler said, “the Vatican has become a theological Chernobyl. We are in dangerous territory.”

Since capital punishment relates to natural law, he wrote, rejecting it as fundamentally wrong could affect any part of natural law.

Rutler, a priest of the Archdiocese of New York as well as an author, columnist, and broadcaster, wrote about Francis’s comments made on Monday to a Delegation of the International Commission Against the Death Penalty in a column for Catholic World Report.

When one reads the pope’s spontaneous remarks on varied topics today, “The quality of reasoning and information of facts is so fugitive, that frustration yields to sheer embarrassment,” he wrote.

Rutler cited for example in lead-up to his discussion of the pope’s death penalty remarks Francis’s comments to youth in Turin in June 2015. The pontiff had gone all over the map in listing concerns to the young people, he said, in an address that Reuters termed “a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics.”

“While constrained by respect for the Petrine office,” Father Rutler said, “and aware of the strains that imposes, it is distressing to look for a train of thought and find only a train wreck.”

“That has to be the impression after reading the Pope’s remarks to a Delegation of the International Commission Against the Death Penalty,” he added.

Popes “in past centuries” ignored “the primacy of mercy over justice” in using the death penalty, Pope Francis stated Monday, also calling capital punishment an “inhuman form of punishment” that is now “always inadmissible.”

The pope had put aside his prepared speech during the private audience with the group, speaking to the anti-death penalty delegation in unscripted remarks. After the meeting, the Vatican provided the prepared address to reporters, also noting it had also been given to participants.

‘The progress of the doctrine of the most recent Pontiffs’ and ‘the change in the conscience of the Christian people’

The pontiff’s prepared remarks ran through his varied appeals over the years in favor of abolishing the death penalty.

The remarks referenced Francis’s recent change to Catechism of the Catholic Church, which he said, “Now expresses the progress of the doctrine of the most recent Pontiffs as well as the change in the conscience of the Christian people, which rejects a penalty that seriously harms human dignity.”

In August of this year, Francis changed the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church promulgated by Pope St. John Paul II, replacing n. 2267 of the Catechism with new text to say that the death penalty is “inadmissible” and that the Church “works with determination for its abolition worldwide.”

(cont)https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-the-vatican-has-become-a-theological-chernobyl

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>Anon, you have heard my voice. Ask for whatever you want me to give you

What do?

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Is the war on Christmas real?

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How do I pray all of these out?

TL;DR: I have sadistic/masochistic or simply weird urges. And want to know tips of how to control or eliminate it

I was abused physically and sexually as a child by my caretakers. My parents left me untreated. I've had all sorts of problems/urges during my preteen/teenage years: warped fetishes, almost molested/seduced my cousin twice, self-flagellation, destruction of property, biting my fingers, plucking/biting my finger nails, etc..

Every time someone taller is behind me or looks at me funnily I feel inferior, small, insignificant, nauseous , I get scared, startled, defensive or aggressive, in some cases. I can't walk into a hall without looking sideways or getting prepared to fight. There isn't one day where I don't think of taking a very long knife and hit myself in the back with it until I bleed out, the shame kills me…

However, no matter how I strongly have felt of my unworhtyness, I still believe in my saviour. What I'm trying to ask is how I can spiritually train myself to combat these abnormal behaviours/urges. In a Catholic/Orthodox perspective only please.

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What are christian purity rings ?

I keep hearing about them and I see people saying that men and women should wear them as catholics…But what are those ? It means that you are pure toward God and live a life without sin ?

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POPE: Church will 'never again' cover up…

Priests who have raped and molested children turn themselves in and vowed that the Catholic Church will “never again” hide their crimes.

http://archive.today/2018.12.21-174840/https://apnews.com/cafcea3356d64948863e66195c6de4cd

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Francis dedicated his annual Christmas speech to Vatican bureaucrats to abuse, evidence that a year of devastating revelations of sexual misconduct and cover-up around the globe has shaken his papacy and caused a crisis of confidence in the Catholic hierarchy. Francis acknowledged that the church in the past had failed to treat the problem seriously, blaming leaders who out of inexperience or short-sightedness acted “irresponsibly” by refusing to believe victims. But he vowed that going forward the church would “never again” cover up or dismiss cases. “Let it be clear that before these abominations the church will spare no effort to do all that is necessary to bring to justice whosoever has committed such crimes,” he said.

Francis urged victims to come forward, thanked the media for giving them voice and issued a stark warning to abusers: “Convert and hand yourself over to human justice, and prepare for divine justice.” Francis’ remarks capped a dreadful year for the Catholic Church, one that began with his own botched handling of a sprawling sex abuse scandal in Chile and ended with the U.S. hierarchy in a free-fall of credibility as state prosecutors began uncovering decades of cover-up. Francis has summoned church leaders from around the globe for a February abuse prevention summit, in an indication that he has come to realize that the problem is far greater and far more global than he had understood at the start of his pontificate.

Francis’ blanket demand that abusers turn themselves in to face “human justice” was significant, and echoed his previous demands for mafia bosses and corrupt politicians to convert. Vatican guidelines currently only call for bishops to report priestly abusers to police in those countries where civil law requires it — a technicality that survivors and their advocates have long blasted as a convenient dodge to the church’s moral obligation to protect children regardless of what civil law requires. Survivors and their advocates, however, found Francis’ words hollow, noting that just this week the chief prosecutor in the U.S. state of Illinois accused church officials there of hiding the names of around 500 priests accused of abuse.

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Christian co-worker experiences

How are your work relations with other Christians? My current boss is confusing to me. I'm fairly certain he's non denominational cause he says he hates "religious" Christianity. He's got mostly conservative views in regards to Christianity, his biggest thing is once saved always saved, so he seems pretty Baptist except in our conversation today (I'm Catholic).

I had a 3 hour road trip with him, at one point I began talking about how abortion might be the biggest evil of our times, and he adamantly opposed my take on it. He believes abortion isn't murder because of some verses in Leviticus about pregnant women having miscarriages or something. He thinks God infuses souls at the first breath of the child and that the fetus has no soul. It was kind of awkward for me since I wasn't expecting that response and I assumed he believed the same as I did. I'm curious if any of the Baptists on this board believe this about abortion as well, it would surprise me since that's one thing that most everyone on this board agrees is a great evil.

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Witchcraft moves to mainstream as Christianity declines…

Witchcraft is thriving in the US, with an estimated 1.5 million Americans now identifying as witches - more than the total number of Presbyterians

http://archive.today/2018.12.21-153415/https://sg.news.yahoo.com/witchcraft-moves-mainstream-america-christianity-130445984.html

As Christianity declines across the country, paganism has swung to the mainstream, with witchcraft paraphernalia for sale on every high street and practises normalised across popular culture. In the past two years, it has also become darkly politicised. Dakota Bracciale, a 29-year-old transgender/queer witch and co-owner of Catland Books and witch shop in Brooklyn, is pleased with the outcome of the ritual hex placed on US Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh in October. The curse, carried out from Catland Books, was well attended by witches, atheists ad humanists - and was followed around the country on social media. Millennials, says Bracciale, are looking for spiritualism outside traditional religion. “The hex centres on the notion that we live in a universe of chaos, entropy, destruction, death, decay with a final ending of oblivion - scientists are telling us. So the witch does everything for themselves - there is no other help in this universe of decay and chaos. If you don’t get in the driver’s seat things will just get worse,” the witch said.

In a wide-ranging discussion with the Telegraph, Bracciale, who described the interview questions as “sensationalist”, talked about political hexes and witchcraft in general. Bracciale is “absolutely” willing to cause physical harm through a hex - “no issue with that”. And while Bracciale would have been just as pleased with the new Supreme Court Justice’s death, resignation or physical disfigurement, the main goal of the Kavanaugh hex, and the three hexes on President Donald Trump from Catland Books this summer, was to “let them be exposed for who they are - especially as impotent men”. The curse began with a recitation of the Biblical scripture Psalm 109: 8: “let his days be few, let another take his office.” Catland Books is replete with Christian images including the Archangel Michael, Christian defender against the demonic, and the Virgin Mary. Bracciale, a self-described sexual abuse survivor, who grew up in a born-again-Christian evangelical cult in Arizona, takes umbrage at the notion that witchcraft and Christianity are mutually exclusive. Witchcraft “has a ton of roots in Christianity”, the Brooklyn witch says. Indeed, in Bracciale’s view, the Bible is a spell book, particularly the Book of Psalms. Witchcraft is powerful, according to Bracciale, because of the “intersectionality of feminism, sexuality, gender, the fight for freedom, eschewing the patriarchy and having sort of a vitriolic response towards it”.

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Social Teaching of the Catholic Church

I got to stufy more the social teaching of the Catholic church, and got around to reading some encyclicals of the Popes

What about the modernism on the Chruch?

I read some encyclicals of Pope Leo XIII such as Rerum Novarum (http://w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html) Libertas Preastantissimum (http://gardenofmary.com/on-the-nature-of-human-liberty-libertas-praestantissimum/)

But the Centesimus annus encyclical from Pope John Paul II is too modernist and bluntly socialist in some passages.

And clearly goes against the ideas of Pope Leo XIII I think.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_01051991_centesimus-annus.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centesimus_annus

What do my fellow Catholics think? Have you delved into Pope encyclicals?

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Why are atheist so violent in their attacks not just on The Bible, but on the idea of religion itself?

For what do they hope to achieve from their position? That humanity and the universe itself is doomed to destruction? That basic morality does not exist and it doesn't matter what virtues you live by in the end? As there is no actual reward, or benefit of being an atheist, for what reason does their rebellion stem from?

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If you were in front of God and you could ask him a question or tell him anything, what would it be?

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Behold your mother!

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Tobacco addiction

Help, I'm suffering from tobacco addiction, I can't help but smoke the hookah at social events and when I'm alone.

I'm smoking as I'm typing this right now, I left Internet addiction and I'm free of any form of addiction except for tobacco, how do I stop smoking, I know it's silly to seek help here but I've tried my best :(. The harder I try the harder I stumble.

It is the guilt which kills me, the guilt for ruining the body made by God. I can't bear this guilt anymore.

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Indarestin

>1 Corinthians 9:9-11

>For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

>Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt

>For our sakes, no doubt

>For our sakes

>You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle

>Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together

OwO what's this?