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Rules and Meta

Glory to God in the highest!

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This board is for fellowship and discussion among Christians. Please be mindful that some general rules are enforced to encourage constructive discourse.

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1. This board is strictly Safe For Work.

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2. Interactions must be for the sake of Charity. Post made in the spirit of disruption or spite could earn you a short to permanent ban.

Charity is a foundational concept in Christianity. It is the virtue of supreme love for God and others. It is the greatest of the three virtues Paul emphasizes, and governs all Christian conduct. Just because this is an 8chan board does not alleviate Christians of their moral duty. All interactions must be done with this in mind.

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If you are a non-Christian, you are more than welcome to create a thread asking questions specific to you, but please avoid Christian fellowship threads. This is because the primary purpose of fellowship on this board is for Christians to get the view of other Christians.




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The mods will use their best judgement when enforcing the rules, and you can contest their decisions by appealing the ban, posting in the meta, or talking to us directly on the discord. The discord server is the fastest way to get a response, followed by the appeals page. Posting in the meta is the slowest and least efficient. Keep this in mind. Do not dispute the ban in the thread the ban took place in, or make a new thread to contest your ban. This is disruptive.

Post that break the rules will be met with temporary bans in accordance with the severity of the post, up to 5 days.

Permanent bans will be given out for posting pornography, explicit material, after being given multiple temporary bans, and raids or obvious trolling from other boards.

Please post any questions you have in this thread, and we will try our best to answer them.

And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.

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>What is this thread?

The designated political discussion thread. Christians from all parts of the political spectrum are encouraged to discuss relevant political topics and ideas, as well as ask questions and hopefully recieve answers from all points of view. Anything related to politics that doesn't actively involve the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant churches should go here, so if a politics thread is deleted, this thread is the reason why.

As a reminder:

All board rules apply to this thread, so keep things civil.

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Prayer Requests

“But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail. And you, when you have turned back, strengthen your brethren.”

Luke 22:32

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-7

Confess your offences to one another and pray for one another in order to be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective!

James 5:16

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Angel Thread

10 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

General discussion of angels and God's other spirits. Some questions that I have:

Why are angels proper nearly always depicted with wings in art, when no angel is mentioned in scripture as having wings?

What experiences with angels are found in the lives of the saints?

What led Augustine to conceive of the angelic hierarchy as he did? Was it revealed, or was it only speculation on his part?

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Can I be a Christian and a Libertarian Socialist at the same time?

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Catholic General


The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.

Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

Useful links:

Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va

Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/

Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net

Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/

How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/

Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925

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Why Orthodoxy?

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, let us have a polite discussion of Christianity and Orthodoxy.

Many people do not know that the original church build by the Apostles still stands strong in many parts of the world. After the Catholics broke away, so that the non-Latin Pope could gain the status of superior, things changed. The Germans of the Holy Roman Empire backed an intelligent man, Martin Luther, who introduced some very drastic changes. The most important, to me, is the following:

1. An individual could read and interpret the bible on their own.

This opened the floodgates. No longer was a learned, academic and ZEALOT like Priest/Clergy caste in charge of the ancient faith. Now Joe the butcher and Steve the bread merchant, lacking in education and peerage, could make Christ fit into THEIR mold. THEIR understanding.

We had the Anabaptist horrors of Münster which saw self proclaimed "Holy men" leading the citizenry into self destruction, starvation and other evils.

Since then we've seen more and more worldy leaders use Christianity for their personal grandizement. From big to small. From the Church of England to Uncle Joeys Bible Baptist Carwash and Pawnshop.

We have a real, ancient and hyper traditional church all. We have Orthodoxy. Why don't you begum?

Serious question and discussion please. We must root out tribal, "I was born this way" arguments to have a good theological discussion.

[Prefacing common questions:

1. Icon are seen as pictures of loved ones and friends. We consider Saints to already be in heaven and kiss their photos as if kissing a loved one.

2. Praying to Saints ='s asking them to pray for you. The same way you ask a friend or loved one to pray for you.]

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On Israel

What can I read to develop a Christian view on and what are your thoughts on the modern state of Israel? Not concerned with them being the chosen people or not, just what they do and how it should be viewed from a Christian perspective.

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Christian Programming Language?

Hi everybody,

If we have to use a programming language where we have choice in the matter, possibly for a personal project or such, should a Christian use Perl? It seems like the only programming language with some connection to Christianity, despite Larry Wall being part of some weird heretical sect. Even the name is from the Bible (Pearl of Great Price) and there are several function names which are related to the Bible. I haven't really used Perl much though and here it's pretty janky and hard to read, but also here the CSPAN libraries are pretty robust. However it's probably not as good as python libraries these days. I'm doing my Masters in AI/ML, and Python seems the way to go, especially with NumPy, Pandas, Jupyter Notebook etc. Would it be worthwhile to do some personal projects and such in Perl? All the other languages seem pretty atheistic, and lots of these developers seem like big lefties. Thanks for your thoughts.

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*blocks your usurious looting operation and asks why you choose to ignore the logos*

*interrupts your feeble attempt to avoid the JQ and tells you to pray the rosary*

what do you do?

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Need some assurance, brethren.

I have anxiety, and I've been focused on the idea of my mortality, that one day I will die (unless judgment day comes before then)

But because I think about that, I also makes me worried about if its all a lie, that there is no God and we're only deluding ourselves to make us feel happy.

So please, fellow Christians, help me out here in the darkness and show me things to give me comfort. What are we promised? How can we get closer to God when we no longer hear His voice?

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Is it sinful to become a bootlegger?

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Any other recommended boards/chans/mastodons/etc?

Hi everyone. I've never really used chans before, apart from /christian/ here. Never really ventured on to other boards cause of rampant pornography and just overall not liking the community. I used to use reddit (still occasionally check it out) but can't stand the userbase and the upvote/downvote system as well. Does anyone have any recommendations of other good places to check out? Doesn't necessarily have to be related to Christianity, but at least something wholesome, edifying, chill, useful, educational, etc.


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Imaginary friends and schizophrenia

Are all imaginary friends demons? Is schizophrenia just a form of demonic oppression? I've heard that there is no medical cure for schizophrenia but some people returned back to normal after a certain demon was exorcised from them.

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Do you have any Christian beliefs that could potentially get you in trouble or are plain unusual for modern norms?

For me, I think that the "breath of life" in Genesis is a reference to the Holy spirit, Who temporarily left humanity after Adam sinned. This makes so much sense to me in light of the fallen nature of man, the law and the NT.

The Hebrews in Exodus were the hyksos, who were enslaved because they started to infiltrate the Egyptian government and the native people fought back.

Water baptism doesn't save anyone in itself, it's rather an initiation of entering the church which is part of salvation.

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Can christian identity help race-mixed people with an identity crisis?

Monoracial People take for granted that they know who they are, where they come from. Can Mutts feel more at peace, if they full embrace Christianity and the Lord?

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How exactly is homosexuality evil?

First off, I'm absolutely against homosexuality of any kind.

I know the Bible verses that talk about it, I've seen some quotes of the Church Fathers, even in my conscience I can say that it's bad.

But I don't understand how it's bad exactly. The Bible verses pretty much only say that homosexuality is bad because it's bad, because it's an abomination etc.. The Church Father quotes I've seen are pretty much the same, just expanded. I've searched on youtube and the search engine but did not find anything else, which is why I'm asking here.

I'm going to repeat once again that I'm fully against homosexuality and agree with Church teaching; the fact that God says it's a sin is enough for me to believe it to be a sin, but I want to UNDERSTAND why it is so, and why it is as bad as they say it is, so I can oppose it even more.

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Relationship general

Post your successes/troubles.

The responsibility is yours. Since you're the man you are the driving force behind starting a relationship. It is your job to do the first move as it is to lead all other moves.

Women seek stability. A woman is like a flower that grows towards God. A man is more like a stick. He can direct the married couple towards God. If both of them are flowers, then they stay in mud.

>Be yourself

Be confident about who you are. It will give you a special aura around yourself

>Work on your confidence

Start at nofap thread, eliminate porn and masturbation from your life. Increase your testosterone levels by working out…./fit/

>Get hobbies

If you lack interests, you are less interesting to women. Women want men of action.

>Visit places where high quality women hang out

Church, library, your hobbies…

>Become more educated about your faith

If you want a good Christian girl you should study scriptures. If she takes her faith seriously she will probably be impressed.

Your future wife probably will not just appear out of nothing and ask you out. It is your job when she appears all of sudden to be confident enough to ask her out and handle that situation.

Purity thread:


If any of you guys have some useful meta, please post it so we can include it in the future to the OP.

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Purity Thread

27 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 1 Corinthians 6:19

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Galatians 6:8

Post your Purity successes/woes/prayer requests/ etc.

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Unable to forgive wife's betrayal

My wife cheated on me with another man and my priest wont allow divorce. He said I must forgive her.

I want to forgive her but I cant. The pain so unbearable. That betrayal. It feel like I cant trust anyone at all.

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Day 7:

How you guys holding up?

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Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

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Christian Hymns

Any resources on Christian hymns\chants etc?

Maybe something more orthodoxy, those are comfy. Thank you.

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Is anyone else getting really creepy vibes from this guy?

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Bible study

Bible Study ~1hr

9:30PM CST-US(3:30AM UTC)



Apostles Creed

Lords Prayer/Our Father

Joshua 19-21, 1 Thessalonians 3, Psalm 77-80, Daily Mass Reading by USCCB 15th

2018 11 15 Reflection 494 by USCCB

What Comes First: My Obedience to Jesus or My Joy in Jesus? // Ask Pastor John

T Graham Brown - Wine into water

Luke 12, Psalm 80-81, Daily Mass Reading by USCCB 16th

Read Scripture: 1 Thessalonians by the Bible Project

Officer Negative - Pile of Broken Tools

Joshua 22-24, 1 Thessalonians 4-5, Psalm 82-84

Lords Prayer/Our Father

Okay, powering through my negative state and doing a study any way!

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdze_yYeKc T Graham Brown - Wine into water

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/18_11_15.mp3 Daily Mass Readings by USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amx6M8fsnEw What Comes First: My Obedience to Jesus or My Joy in Jesus? // Ask Pastor John

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEIzGrC1U8 2018 11 15 Reflection 494 by USCCB

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/18_11_16.mp3 Daily Mass Reading by USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No7Nq6IX23c Read Scripture: 1

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The Greeks Philosophers were Christians before Christ

Just remember that the Stoics gave us the Logos doctrine which stretched even farther back to Plato and Heraclitus. Socrates was a monotheist. Aristotle shaped our understanding of the soul and substance. Neo-Platonism shaped our beliefs about Theodicy. You owe a lot of your theology to Greek philosophy. Amen.

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Hello everyone so I am kinda new to the faith and religion and stuff like that and the other day I came into a dialogue with a Muslim man and now I have questions. So he said to me that Jesus wasn't actually crucified which I found odd because it says it in the Bible. But then he told me that the Koran said God actually raised Jesus up before his crucifixion. So then I questioned him about how does he know if the Koran is right over the Bible.

So he told me this. He said that there were actually a lot of different gospels and books that are not in the current Bible. He told me to read a gospel of Barnabas and a gospel of Judas. He then started telling me all about how Jesus was actually a Muslim and these books prove it. He said to me that Judas was actually the only true Muslim follower of Jesus and that all the other 11 disciples of Jesus misunderstood him and created Christianity. He said that Judas volunteered to die in the place of Jesus and he told me God made Judas look like Jesus and that Judas was actually the one crucified, not Jesus who he says was lifted into heaven. So he told me that Judas will be in paradise and we should respect Judas as a great Muslim man and disregard the other disciples as apostates. He told me that the other apostles hired Paul to write the the new testament for them and he was their pawn.

So when I got home I decided to check this out. And I did find them and actually other gospels and stuff too not in the Bible. I have not read these yet but I plan to do so to see how truthful he is. But their descriptions match his. So my question is, why aren't these books in the Bible. Were they being deliberately hidden from the faithful? Because they really seem to support Islam over Christianity as we know it. What's the deal?

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Why is r/Christianity so liberal?

I've been browsing it for a few weeks and it's more like a left wing political hug box than a place to discuss Christianity. They actually downvote standard Christian doctrine like homosexuality being a sin

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We might be on the verge of discovering ancient, technologically advanced civilizations existed. What does this mean for Christianity?

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Christian help sites

What is your favorite Christian help and study site? I like GotQuestions the most but i dont like their pro-israelism and anti-Catholicism

CatholicAnswers is a good site too for catholics

CARM seems good too

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Anyone preparing for Advent and/or the 40 day fast leading up to the Nativity of our Lord?

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I like pickles!

I like pickles, sour cream, onions, garlic and lots of meat! what about you /christian/?

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Can jokes be sinful? (Thread 2)

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Generation of Hosea

So I've been thinking, this is the generation of Hosea for christian men seeking to marry, Just marry the whore anon its your peoples fault shes like this.

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Adam and Eve had light bodies before the Fall

"Adam and Eve previously had light, and clear, and as it were spiritual bodies, such as they were at their creation; but when they came to this world, these changed into bodies more opaque, and weak. Their soul also was feeble and languid, their spirit dead. Their sin had spiritually killed them. Blood had entered their bodies and light left as well as that the body was now a material substance, and they bore death about with them losing their bright natures."- Taken from the Works of Irenaeus. Origen also backs up my claims, as well as many ancient Wisdom texts.I have PHD in theology from Cambridge so try and prove me wrong. I have done the research into the writings of the early church and even the heresies and so many have confirmed this true. If you think i'm wrong then research Adam and Eve light bodies, and Adam and Eve biophotons. This is not an essential doctrine my Catholic and Orthroboros. nearly 1500 years later, Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich had an extensive and very vivid personal revelation in which she described Adam and Eve as clothed in light."They were like two unspeakably noble and beautiful children, perfectly luminous. and clothed with beams of light as with a veil. From Adam's mouth I saw issuing a broad stream of glittering light, and upon his forehead was an expression of great majesty. Around his mouth played a sunbeam, but there was none around Eve's. I saw Adam's heart very much the same as in men of the present day, but his breast was surrounded by rays of light. In the middle of his heart, I saw a sparkling halo of glory. [More at Shield of Faith]" http://divinefiat.blogspot.com/2014/02/were-adam-and-eve-originally-clothed-in.html The (Soncino) Zohar, chapter Shemoth (Exodus) further comments on how Adam was originally clothed with light [‘or אֹור] so that he could be in the garden; if he had not had that, the text suggests that he could not have been in God’s presence.

Adam in the Garden of Eden was attired in supernal raiment, of celestial radiancy. As soon as he was driven from the Garden of Eden and had need of forms suited to this world, “the Lord God”, Scripture says, “made for Adam and for his wife garments of skin [‘or עֹור] and clothed them” (Gen. III, 21). Formerly they were garments of light [‘or אֹור], to wit, of the celestial light in which Adam ministered in the Garden of Eden. For, inasmuch as it is the resplendency of the celestial light that ministers in the Garden of Eden, when first man entered into the Garden, the Holy One, blessed be He, clothed him first in the raiment of that light. Otherwise he could not have entered there. When driven out, however, he had need of other garments; hence “garments of skin, (emphasis mine). [iv]

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Meme thread

New meme thread because the old one is autosaging, starting with a request: I need the exploitable 8ch logo, have this crop in return

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Orthodox General


This thread is to help all the Orthodox anons on this board to gather their thoughts, uplift each other, share edifying materials, and ask important questions.

Glory be to God in all things.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Useful Links

Ancient Faith Radio: http://www.ancientfaith.com/

OrthodoxWiki: https://orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page

Canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0835/_INDEX.HTM

The Orthodox Church in America: https://oca.org/

Orthodox Christianity (a site that hosts articles predominantly written by clergy): http://orthochristian.com/

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Ohio votes to ban abortions of any baby with a heart beat

babies generally have a heartbeat at 6-8 weeks, a lot of women don't even know they're pregnant then.

Press T to thank God.

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Spreading the word of GOD in modern society.

What would be the most effective way to spread a word of God in modern society?

How to reach the youth generation before they become indoctrinated into the satanists/pop music agenda?

Satanists have under their belts so many resources, that it's impossible to reach the people at critical age/stage of their development. Their are being molded into theirs agenda before being able to make up a decision for them-self's.

I understand that life is unfair and we are the lucky ones to escape the gates of hell, but I want to help more. I wouldn't wish even to my worst enemies to end up there.

I believe many of you already thought about this before.

If you would be willing to share your ideas.

What do we do?

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More of a comment really…

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My own wrath destroyed my friendships and my job

How do I learn to control my rage? The moment someone criticize me, I just feel an unbearable proclivity to inflict harm and yell at them.

I lost so many friends because of this. Now I am all alone because of my lousy inability to show mercy

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Hey guys. The other night I hired a prostitute to have sex with me. But actually we didn't have sex, I told her I only wanted cuddle. We cuddled and heavily kissed and she kept telling me we could have sex but I refused. We slept together for a bit then she left and I paid her what little I had since I work at a dead end job that pays me shit. That was it. I'm such a fugly bastard and a loser still trying to escape my parents house. That was the first time I've been hugged since I was like 8 and the first time I ever held a woman or kissed one. I didn't have sex though because I knew that would be fornication. But I just needed a woman! I just needed a beautiful woman to hold in my arms! But now… now my conscience is all over the place… Was this a sin? Should I confess? Should I? Why did God make me so ugly and lonely! It's not fair! :( Help me please.

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Hey guys. The other night I hired a prostitute to have sex with me. But actually we didn't have sex, I told her I only wanted cuddle. We cuddled and heavily kissed and she kept telling me we could have sex but I refused. We slept together for a bit then she left and I paid her what little I had since I work at a dead end job that pays me shit. That was it. I'm such a fugly bastard and a loser still trying to escape my parents house. That was the first time I've been hugged since I was like 8 and the first time I ever held a woman or kissed one. I didn't have sex though because I knew that would be fornication. But I just needed a woman! I just needed a beautiful woman to hold in my arms! But now… now my conscience is all over the place… Was this a sin? Should I confess? Should I? Why did God make me so ugly and lonely! It's not fair! :( Help me please..

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Theological Reasons for Dogs Being So Perfect

Dogs don't have original sin because they don't have rational souls and are not fallen beings. Is this wrong? They are so good to us bros…

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Is MGTOW compatible with Christianity?

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What do you guys think of technology? Is it a threat to Christianity? As the world delves deeper and deeper into material luxury and comfort, men tend to forget God. The current globalized system is all about speed, efficiency, and status. There is less and less room for us as the use of machines continues to grow. Before anyone plays the card, technology is not neutral. Every new mass invention needs us to conform to it, not the other way around. Look at how people interact with their phones, computers, cars, etc. I can't say how many times I've felt like a complete outcast in public just because I wasn't on my phone. You look around and you see everyone's face glued to their screens, and it is sad. There is no community whatsoever. We're a symptom of it too. Because of the lack of real community, we bond with distant strangers on the web because of how atomized society has become. It seems it's only going to get worse. Give me your thoughts on the TQ and how it relates to Christianity.

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the Flood

local or global flood? gib me opinions pls. go

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Thoughts on Yazidis and Yazidism?

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Bible Study ~1hr

9:30PM CST-US(3:30AM UTC)



Apostles Creed

Lords Prayer/Our Father

1 Thessalonians 2, Psalm 76

Read Scripture: TaNaK / Old Testament by The Bible Project

Sawyer Brown - 800 Pound Jesus

1 Thessalonians 3, Psalm 77, Daily Mass Reading by USCCB

2018 11 15 Reflection 494 by USCCB

What Comes First: My Obedience to Jesus or My Joy in Jesus? // Ask Pastor John

T Graham Brown - Wine into water

1 Thessalonians 4, Psalm 78

Lords Prayer/Our Father

Bengel's Gnomon of the NT, Haydock Catholic Bible Commentary, Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary, Thomas Aquinas and Tyndale.

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsluAKBZ-c Read Scripture: TaNaK / Old Testament by The Bible Project

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amx6M8fsnEw What Comes First: My Obedience to Jesus or My Joy in Jesus? // Ask Pastor John

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hEIzGrC1U8 2018 11 15 Reflection 494 by USCCB

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrL6k5_Qa2E Sawyer Brown - 800 Pound Jesus

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSdze_yYeKc T Graham Brown - Wine into water

- http://ccc.usccb.org/cccradio/NABPodcasts/18_11_15.mp3 Daily Mass Readings by USCCB

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Pastor asks man in drag to leave church, 'go put on man clothes'…

“I hold a standard in here. Whatever you do on the outside is your business, but I will not let drag queens come in here. If you’re gonna come in here you’re gonna dress like a man.”


A Chicago pastor who asked a man dressed in drag to leave a worship service because he was dressed like a woman stands by his actions after coming under fire. A Facebook video of the Sunday night encounter shows Antonio Rocquemore of Power House International Ministries asking the unidentified man to step out into the aisle. “Can you leave my church and go put on man clothes? And don’t come here like that no more,” Rocquemore can be seen telling the man in the video, posted by Christian James Lhuillier. People in the crowd cheered and said “Amen” and “thank you Jesus” as Rocquemore addressed the young man.

He said he had spoken to the young man several times in private about not wearing women’s clothes to church. The pastor said church members would remember when the young man told the congregation that he joined because he wanted to be shown “how to become a man.” The pastor said he made it clear to the young man that he couldn’t come to church dressed like a woman. The pastor’s mother talked to him about it too in private, the pastor said. “No one knew this was going on,” he said. Rocquemore said the man challenged him publicly and “I challenged him back publicly.” He said all church members are expected to follow the “rules,” like the one banning female members from wearing leggings at the church, which he called “disrespectful.”

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Liberal Lutheran pastor: It’s okay to look at porn, especially if it’s ‘ethically sourced’

November 5, 2018, (LifeSiteNews) – A prominent progressive pastor has said viewing pornography is just fine, especially if it is “ethically sourced porn.”


Reverend Nadia Bolz-Weber of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) heads a congregation composed of many LGBT members and which features a “Minister of Fabulousness,” according gay news site outinjersey.net. That website recently released a lengthy interview with the female pastor in which she shared some of her pro-LGBT and pro-pornography opinions.

“I refused to pick the low-hanging ‘Moral Outrage Fruit’ of Liberals and Conservatives about porn,” said the tattooed pastor. “Now, there are issues of justice and exploitation within the porn industry, no question, but it doesn’t mean consumption of pornography should be shamed.”

“There is ethically sourced porn,” continued the Colorado pastor. “There are people who say it’s sexual immorality, but if you take Liberals and Conservatives who show outrage and made a Venn diagram of those who consume pornography, you’d see a huge overlap.”

“I’m not going to shame people when they already feel ashamed,” declared Bolz-Weber, who claims, “If we took shame out of the fact that people like to view erotic imagery, the compulsive behavior around consuming pornography would decrease.”

“If the teachings of the church are harming people, then we need to rethink those teachings,” said Bolz-Weber.

“The church is saying that the Creator of the Universe, God in the heavens above, knows if you’re masturbating, and God is super disappointed. How ridiculous. That causes harm because these teachings are done in God’s name,” she said.

Rev. Bolz-Weber’s soon-to-be-published book is titled Shameless: the Sexual Reformation. She says it calls out “harm that’s been done to people as a result of what the church has taught them about sex, body, and gender.” She explains:

>You can draw a straight f***ing line from what people were told in church and the harm in their lives. The book explores that.

>I’m also instigating an art project where women mail me their purity rings. They’ll be melted into a sculpture of a vagina.

Exposing the ELCA, a website which is critical of the teachings and pastoral practices of the Lutheran sub-denomination, identifies Bolz-Weber as its most famous pastor, author, and speaker, noting that she was chosen to speak to 31,000 ELCA teenagers at a summer youth conference.

“This is false teaching and people need to get out from under their leadership,” declares Exposing the ELCA.

“And things are even going to get worse,” continues the report. “With the approaching release of Nadia’s new book, you can be assured that this is just the beginning of troubling and Bible-defying teaching ELCA leaders and members will consume.”

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Would it be a sin if I became a Competitive eater like takeru kobayashi?

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The most holy Rosary

Entry note: This is a thread entirely dedicated to the most holy Rosary. No discussions about denomination, no "muh vain repititions", no "muh idolatry/goddess worship" or whatsoever. Discuss your experiences, all things Rosary-related, history, saints and so on and so forth.


The Rosary. The prayer. The weapon.

Attacked by many - such as the devil and his demons - countless times. Prayed even more often. Consisting of divine prayers like the Angelic Salutation and the Our Father, has it been divinely revealed fully to St. Dominic by the blessed Virgin Mary. Despite the attacks of the devil and his minions has it been preserved through pious men and women, through our holy Mother and even Christ Himself - time and time again was it re-revealed when the faith grew weak and the people of God grew lazy and fell off the faith through tricks of the devil.

A prayer that goes with prayer beads - who are seen by God Himself and the angels, the holy ones as well as the fallen ones, as a sword. A powerful weapon to crush the enemies of God and to cut into the flesh of satan himself.

Will you stand by and neglect it ? Or will you join the ranks of the soldiers of God, armed with the weapon that can convert people as it can destroy evil likewise ?

The Rosary consists of 5 prayers: The Sign of the Cross, the (Apostolic) Creed, the Our Father, the Hail Mary and the Minor Doxology. In private you may add prayers such as the prayer request by our lady of Fatima - the so-called Fatima prayer - the Hail, Holy Queen, Litanies and others.

With every decade of Hail Mary's you meditate a different mystery. There are 4 (in the German-speaking realm 5) sets of mysteries for us to meditate, of which each one consists of 5 mysteries:

The joyful mysteries

The luminous mysteries

The sorrowful mysteries

The glorious mysteries

(The comforting mysteries)

For those not knowing how to pray it yet: https://www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

This talk is long and comprehensive and you will learn not only about the history of the Rosary but how satan tried to destroy is, time after time after time after time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwVdYXyxln0

This book of St. Louis Grignion de Montfort is a very comprehensive yet never-exhausted source on the most holy Rosary, THE source for you when it comes to spirituality of the Rosary: http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/secret-rosary.htm

Praise the Lord ! Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. Amen.

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ITT: People you hope are in heaven

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Does anyone have any good lectures on the concept of 'logos' and teleology?

I'm making a video on the subject and it would be very useful to have something clear and sharp on the issue


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Sell your Silver and Gold. The End of times is here.

Revelation 18

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: 12 The merchandise of gold, and silver,

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How do you resist (romantical) temptation?

Hi, I'm being seduced by a woman with a reputation of being sexually active. I don't have any experiences in that subject, so I'd like to keep away from her. We both work at the same place, so it is hard to avoid her.

Thank you.

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Posters you've noticed on /christian/

It's a small board, I feel like there's a few regular posters that can be recognized due to their posting style

>That Baptist who just loads his posts with Bible verses without providing their text or expounding upon them

>That Catholic who thinks any mention of the Bible at all is sola scriptura and responds to any post asking about the Bible with "wow if only we had some authority that could interpret this for us"

>That Orthodox who posts about the Tao (I actually haven't seen him in a while)

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Preacher survives gunman's attack after leaping behind 'Jesus' altar…

Church shooting miracle: Preacher survives gunman's attack during service after leaping behind altar with 'Jesus' written on it


A preacher survived after a gunman's attack during a church service in Brazil by jumping behind an altar with 'Jesus' written on it. Weslei Souza, 30, opened fire inside the Temple of Angels church in Mogi das Cruzes, in the state of Sao Paulo, on Sunday evening, authorities said, as the service was being broadcast live on social media. Souza can be seen calmly striding to the front of the full church while aiming his weapon directly at the pastor, Adilio Carloto da Silva, who was seated behind the altar. Dozens of horrified viewers witnessed the the terrified pastor attempt to dodge the bullets fired in his direction. The dramatic video shows his assailant appeared to stalk him, firing shot after shot. But Da Silva miraculously survived the onslaught despite being hit twice by bullets and after undergoing emergency surgery. He is reported to be in a serious condition, but out of danger.

Souza reportedly claimed he entered the building to rob the church. But police dismissed this motive as 'unconvincing' because he appears to deliberately target the pastor in the video. Despite the gunman operating at close range, the majority of the bullets missed the people on the platform as they dived for cover. Only the pastor was injured in the attack. Additional video footage shot by witnesses and included in police evidence shows the minister scrambling for safety. Souza was overpowered by members of the congregation, with one heroic worshipper seen tackling him to the floor and others pinned him to the ground. Local reports said he had to be rescued by police 'before he was lynched.' He was taken to Luzia de Pinho Melo Hospital for treatment for head injuries before being arrested.

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Church Poll

Let's see the representation here, so we know who we're talking with


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This girl lead me on

I've already asked all my friends about this, I've already asked on other chans about this, this is my final respite.

So a few weeks ago, this girl from school went out of her way to get to know me and I eventually added her on snapchat. She sent me a snap that said hey and we talked for a couple hours. She seemed like she really wanted to talk to me and she kept asking me stuff to keep it going. The next day I saw her at school and she got really excited to see me. When I left her she turned around and said bye to me.

I proceeded to talk to her pretty much everyday for two weeks. She always wanted to talk to me irl and on snapchat. She would text me for multiple hours at time and keep asking me stuff like "wyd" to keep the conversation going, using a lot of ":))" faces and emojis and whatnot, telling me "goodnight sweet dreams :)" and cute flirty stuff like that.

Pretty much all of my friends told me that she probably liked me and I should ask her out, so I did. She agreed to see a movie with me the next weekend. Everything went as normal. But the day before the weekend someone told me she had a boyfriend. I was crushed, and sure enough that day when I talked to her she mentioned him for the first time ever. The next day I asked her if she still wanted to see the movie and she said she was busy, so I took that as a clear sign of rejection. I came clean to her and told her I was sorry for taking things the wrong way. She said everything was okay and she still wanted to be friends, but I'm not sure how to feel about her.

Why would she withhold that information from me? Why would she give me so much attention when she had a boyfriend? I have a feeling she was using me for attention and nothing else. But I don't know if she's just really nice bc she still wants to be friends. I'm starting to hate her, but at the same time I'm still depressed as winnie the pooh and long for her. Worse thing is I've been through this situation before and I should know better. But this girl feels different. What are her true intentions? What should I do?

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I'm hearing voices.

Mostly women on the street calling me ridiculous. Always the same words, "How ridiculous." In Portuguese. I'm Brazilian.

Sometimes I just hear it in my head and feel that it is coming from them. But sometimes I see they saying it. I see their lips moving. I see it very clearly, syllable by syllable. It's distressing how common this is becoming.

It's like I'm "broadcasting" it to them. I know many of you will think I'm just hallucinating this. But except for this voice-hearing phenomenon I'm a perfectly sane guy. And from what I have been reading about schizophrenia, well, I think there is a spiritual component to it. So I don't rule out the possibility that I'm somehow inducing people to have these negative thought about me. I think I have a negative aura.

I have basically become a walking triggerer of the words "How ridiculous!" in every woman I walk past on the street or the supermarket. Yeah, it's not very pleasant.

Lately I'm just sort of hearing it all the time, even at home. These faint half-whispers, "…iculous!", "How ridic…!", you get the idea. As if they were coming from right beside me, from different directions.

I'll go see a Catholic exorcist next week. I'm not Catholic, I'm not going to any church at the moment, but I know a Catholic exorcist. Anyway, if you have any suggestions feel free to share them.

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Does anyone listen to Christian music? I'm a catholic but I find it soothing and helpful spiritually. It focuses my mind on God.


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The essential books of the Bible.

What are the most important books/sections of the Bible? I have a few atheist friends who are wondering and I would like to give them a list.

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Virtuous Pagans

Virtuous Pagans. What does scripture say? Is it possible to be a practicing pagan and still be a 'good person'? Even if it means non-Christian activities like rituals or divination? I'm tied up in knots over a friend.

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Comfy Bible Thread

What books in the Bible are the most comfy? I'm talking in terms of enjoyability and feeling God's love.

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Fellas we need to get swole for Jesus. Post some /fit/ material in this thread.

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i wanked and now my balls hurt does god want me to stop masturbating

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How to deal with complete lack of motivation to do anything?

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Comfy Bible Thread

What books in the Bible are the most comfy? I'm talking in terms of enjoyability and feeling God's love.

Also, be sure to share comfy religious pics.

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Why did God made me in such way that I have to suffer because of my incompetence and stupidity?

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How does one believe in the possibility of omniscience while simultaneously believing in free will?

If the choice somebody is going to make in the future can be completely derived from other knowledge, surely then the choice was not at all free; it was caused and constrained.

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Pope warns 'to gossip is to kill'…

“Gossipers are terrorists because with their tongues they drop a bomb and then leave, and the bomb they drop destroys reputations everywhere.”


VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis is denouncing gossip as a form of “terrorism” and is warning the faithful against telling lies. Francis explored the Catholic commandment against “bearing false witness” during his Wednesday general audience. He warned the faithful in a chilly St. Peter’s Square that “We all live by communicating, and we are continuously on the edge between truth and lies.”

He repeated his complaint about gossip, saying it “kills because the tongue kills like a knife.” He warned: “Gossipers are terrorists because with their tongues they drop a bomb and then leave, and the bomb they drop destroys reputations everywhere.” “Don’t forget: to gossip is to kill.” Francis frequently rails against gossip in the church and has urged the media in particular to guard against “fake news” and seek the truth.

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Suicide Prevention Thread

I want to make a thread that talks about suicide and how we can help those who are suicidal not make the ultimate mistake, as well as praying for those who are at risk. I’ll start of with a prayer request: my friend Marco told me today that he’s wanted to kill himself a few times in the past, and at times he’s been very depressed but refused to say anything about it. Besides prayer, what can I do for him?

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Post Christian Desktop Wallpapers

Or any wallpapers you might have that can be considered wholesome, pure, Christian, spiritual, virtuous, inspirational, etc in their themes. Thanks lads.

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lutherianism in Denmark

This shit is hard.

I'm literally stuck in a winnie the pooh mental hospital.

For preaching the word of our Lord and Savior.

Hvad fanden drenge?

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*blocks your path*

*saves Christiantiy*

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Christian /Relationship/ General

A thread for Christians of every denomination also for non-Christians who seek help.

Single eh? you must probably improve yourself first before you seek for life partner.

>Marriage Advice

Baptists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRqMG0W37-Q

Catholics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbhDCmzX4mw

By C.S Lewis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXi4-_HPRk&list=PL5I_DVzcDG5jWpIy2j23Qnc03YsbJnIsH

The Necessity of Chivalry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBT9LasyC3E

Focus on the Family broadcast: https://www.focusonthefamily.com/media/daily-broadcast


“Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.”

? Hippocrates

Resources for Ketogenic diet:

Dr. Eric Berg: https://www.youtube.com/user/drericberg123 (best source if you're an absolute beginner)

The Ketogenic bible: http://b-ok.cc/book/2823443/e965b0 (a must read before you start your diet)

Your brain on ketosis: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/low-carb-ketogenic-diet-brain


Suffering from loss of focus or feeling tempted to sin? Try fasting!

Fasting is proven to be beneficial, don't starve yourself but do the right type of fasting.

Difference between Fasting and Starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPAm66TbPcY

Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew 17:21 KJV)

(IMPORTANT: Please don't reduce protein and fat intake, you don't want to lose your muscles)


If you're new to philosophy try this: https://www.khanacademy.org/partner-content/wi-phi

(Basic) Theology: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrI5U0R293u9uveijefKyAA

>About Marriage

The Meaning of Marriage: http://b-ok.cc/book/1259768/79049c

Can't cook? Learn to cook from based Chef John, he's p funny too!


>Music and arts

Guitar: https://www.youtube.com/user/JustinSandercoe

Piano: https://www.youtube.com/user/PianoLessonsForKids

Music: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/music

Art: https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities

Bad at being social? Try reading "How to win friends and influence people" (be careful! might make you look autist)

Essential readings:


The Pilgrims Progress

Plato- Republic

Confessions by Blessed Augustine

All of the Dostoevsky works

Mere Christianity

The Screwtape letters


Pride and Prejudice or Sense and Sensibility (It's really comfy read)

Things to avoid:

Stop carving sugar, seriously it's worse than cocaine

Don't indulge into politics, both right and left are two sides of same coin, it'll brainwash you, be yourself.

Avoid Media and TV, again it'll just manipulate and trigger your emotions

Avoid Social Media, research has shown that people who scroll through FB are more likely to be sad than those who don't

Regarding women:

Don't treat women as objects, seriously y'all incels need to realize this!

Guess it's enough, Why did the mods delete my previous post? I've put a lot of hard work into it!


Don't bash individuals for choosing women/men of different skin shade

Don't be racist

Do not bring up denominational fight in this thread

Do not mock others, this is a friendly thread and try to help others

Quote to remember:

He who stops being better, stops being good.

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Hi, it's me again

Ok, I'm the Calvinist who made that thread asking to see if my Calvinist beliefs were compatible with that of the Catholic faith since I am sincerely considering becoming a Catholic. Since then I have done some studying and have felt that I have come closer to the faith of Catholics but there are still some issues.

Ok, so while I was reading more of the bible and talking with other, more intelligent Christians, I came to a more compatible interpretation of Romans 9. So first off we have Romans 9:22 which says:

<What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

Most people will see this as God creating people for the soul purpose of hell, hence the name vessels of destruction which coincides with the imagery used my Paul when presenting God as the potter as is as the clay. But a good word to focus on here would be "endured with much patience." The significance of this word was brought to my attention by a user on discord as claiming that God is being patient with the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction because God is waiting for their repentance. Despite their destiny for the eternal fire by God we can still infer that there was an actual possibility to actually convert even though they are vessels of wrath prepared for destruction. The user even referenced some protestant interpretation to Romans 9 to support her view. The individual even gave the example of Abraham and showed that by looking at the grammar of exodus we see that pharoah was presented as a person hardened and hostile to God has God's constant plaguing of Egypt was at first to change his heart but after was actually to destroy him. Another argument I used was pointing out Paul's utilisation of the term "call" in Romans 9:11 as well as in Romans 8:28 where we are the golden chain of redemption:

<And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

I used this to prove that the loving of Jacob and hating of Esau wasn't about nations but God actually selecting individuals for salvation and to prove not all people are called since I thought the golden chain of redemption would be weird if one who was called could then deny that. But I read just before Romans 8:28 in Romans 8:16-17 which states:

<The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

This seems to state that there is a conditional requirements to receiving the gift and being considered a child of God. And so when I put this all together I come to the conclusion that we are totally depraved and incapable of coming to God as John 6:44 states, Isaiah 64:6 states and Romans 3:10-11 states and it is only by God's grace which calls us and it's only if we respond to this calling and stay in it then we can go heaven.

But despite all this we can accept that God doesn't actively damn some to hell the same way He unconditional imparts grace on to people. For example Romans 9:14-18 states:

<What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God's mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Some might say that Romans 9 is talking about the incongruous nature of grace but limiting it to this would be a myopic view of what Paul is trying to state. Paul loves to use antitheticals and especially in vs18 Paul displays sides of God's sovereignty. One part His mercy and the other part His hardening. One should also bare in mind that both these words are actually verbs in the greek and shows that the same way God is gracious to some He is also actively hardening others for damnation.

I've heard some Catholics claim that although God gives all people enough grace to come to Him, He only intends some to be saved and so gives them the necessary grace to come to salvation. Is there any way this can be compatible with the Catholic faith? I'm genuinely interested in Catholicism but there are just so much scriptural passages one must deal with.

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POPE: Top Threats to World 'Climate Change', Nuclear War…

Pope Francis highlighted on Monday what he considers two main threats to humanity, namely the “immense crisis” of global warming and the possibility of nuclear war.


In his address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the pope urged his listeners to do all they can to assist humanity in facing the most pressing threats facing the planet, noting that in the first place these are “the immense and ongoing crisis of climate change and the nuclear menace.”

Human actions are at the root of many global changes, the pontiff insisted, especially where climate change is concerned. “Hence there is also a need for adequate responses aimed at protecting the health of the planet and its inhabitants, a health put at risk by all those human activities that employ fossil fuels and deforest the planet.” Just as the scientific community, he said, “has made progress in identifying these risks, it is now called to propose workable solutions and to convince societies and their leaders to pursue them.” Pope Francis has made the war on climate change one of the hallmarks of his pontificate, never missing an opportunity to decry the evils of global warming and the human activities he believes are its root cause. Francis was the first pope in history to write an encyclical letter, called Laudato Si, on the topic of care for the environment, in which he declared that the earth “is beginning to look more and more like an immense pile of filth” as “once beautiful landscapes are now covered with rubbish.”

He also identified the destruction of “biological diversity” and the degradation of the integrity of the earth “by causing changes in its climate” as “sins.” Last November, Francis declared that humanity is undergoing a “climate emergency,” while denouncing skepticism toward man-made climate change as a “perverse” attitude that endangers the world. “We need a conversation that unites us all, because the environmental challenge we are experiencing, and its human roots, affects us all,” Francis said. Four “perverse” attitudes that obstruct the quest for concrete solutions to the problem of climate change “range from denial of the problem to indifference, nonchalant resignation, or blind trust in technical solutions,” he said. In July, the pontiff said that “radical change” in human behavior is needed to beat global warming while calling on mankind to hear “the increasingly desperate cries of the earth.”

Immediate action is needed to save the planet from being reduced to “rubble,” he said. The pope emphasized the “urgent need” for an “ecological conversion” as well as “concrete steps to save the planet.” Our planet “needs urgently to be repaired and secured for a sustainable future,” the pope warned. Pope Francis has publicly proclaimed his belief that “wars and climate change” are the root causes of world hunger and mass migration.

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John Calvin was an unsaved Catholic


Has the divide between catholics and reformed finally been bridged?

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Pro-Christian Anime/Manga

Are there good anime and manga which present Christianity in a positive light? Bonus points for anime not taking place in modern day, like fantasy, scifi, and whatnot.

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any advice on dealing with despair?

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What does /christian/ think of the Quakers?

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/jg/ - Jesus General

There's too much fighting here. We need to remember that we are all united in Christ's love for us and his sacrifice. Post pictures, quotes etc of Jesus.

> And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:14‭-‬18 NKJV

> And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see Me.”

Matthew 28:9‭-‬10 NKJV

> Then He arose and rebuked the wind, and said to the sea, “Peace, be still!” And the wind ceased and there was a great calm. But He said to them, “Why are you so fearful? How is it that you have no faith?” And they feared exceedingly, and said to one another, “Who can this be, that even the wind and the sea obey Him!”

Mark 4:39‭-‬41 NKJV

> When He saw their faith, He said to him, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.” And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, “Who is this who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, He answered and said to them, “Why are you reasoning in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise up and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins” —He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”

Luke 5:20‭-‬24 NKJV

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Why do Baptists trigger /christian/ so much?

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What does /christian/ think of the Koran? Have you read it? What's it like? Is it like the Bible except with Muhammad?

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No place for racism in Orthodoxy


Truly a moving and inspiring video. Love diversity of the human family.

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Did only humans begin to die as a result of the fall or was everything immortal

This is my biggest hang up with Christianity; there’s a lot of 100% evidence proving things existed long before people and fossils exist older than humankind, so obviously things still died before people, but that invalidates Christianity from its root (that we only die because of take fall)

Also why would Christ conquer death but instead of making people immortal by just undoing the fall, still have people die?

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I’ve made a promise to God to begome an Orthodox Benedictine

Hello brothers and sisters,

I’ve made a promise to God that if I don’t get married and have children before the age of 33, I will join the Benedictine Fellowship of St. Laurence. I have a few questions that I need to get sorted out before hand:

1.whats the best translation of the Rule of St. Benedict?

2. What does life in a Catholic Benedictine monastery usually look like?

3. Is 33 too soon a cap on finding a wife? I’m 19 now so I have a while to think about it

Thank you and may the Lord bless you all.

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The plausibility of Noah's Ark

So, is there a knockdown argument for this vid? Because I watched it in 2010 and it still is on the back of my mind as I read the Bible

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Hi, as someone who not really much of a believer I recently started reading The Bible and am almost half way through Exodus, and have been watching William Lane Craig videos for a while, in this video he says people who are wanting to find God read the New Testament, and I've also noticed a lot of Christians start off with the New Testament when they've started reading the Bible.

So I was wondering for someone who doesn't know yet, what should the Old Testament mean to a Christian, and what parts of it should Christians still follow.

And also, would it be better for me to skip to the New Testament and come back to the Old Testament when I finish?

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>The Great Spirit, known as Wakan Tanka among the Sioux,[1] Gitche Manitou in Algonquian, and in many Native American and First Nation cultures as the divine or the sacred, is the supreme being, God, or a conception of universal spiritual force.[2]

What's the Christian stance on peoples with monotheistic religious beliefs prior to their exposure to Christianity?

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The wages of sin is death.

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What is your opinion about him?

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Can I "pray the gay away"?

So, I'm a 19 year old boy who was solely attracted to girls, but has developed an attraction to femboys after years of viewing pornography. Is it possible for myself to be rid of homolust through prayer (and/or other spiritual means) or is it now a new form of lust that I must struggle with?

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I've never really understood why you believe sex is so sinful. Not just gay sex, but also just about all forms of sex that isn't just completely devoid of all pleasure and only to conceive a child. I don't understand why pleasure is seen as something to avoid, or a corrupting force, or something.

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First time at a Catholic Mass

Ok well to be honest I've been non-denominational for years. So anyways I've been going to a certain protestant mass.So I dunno I liked the ritual of it all, but the priest had no energy and choked on his words a lot. The readings were good, They dont really seem to comment on it or make a lesson of it like protestants do, it was like you could tell an old reused homily about a widow, like it felt like ive heard it before.

The church goers well they seemed fairly devote for the first 20 mins, then you could tell they didn't want to be there, about half the mass left 15 mins early before the end right after the Eucharist.

One funny thing is on the exit doors it said "Judas left Mass early"

Didn't seem like they mentioned Mary a lot only in relation to the virgin birth and they only mentioned the church Saint once at the end.

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This is the worst thing. This is so bad. Iceland is unthinkable. Kiss the baby you aborted goodbye. Abortion keepsakes.

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are orthodox converts a fifth column in non orthodox countries?

how would american orthodox, under the Moscow Patriarchate, behave if USA was at war with Russia?

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What are some good Christian videogames?

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I want nofap.

Shit man, quitting porn is so hard. I've been looking for that special Christian girl for a long time, so far haven't found her yet, but even if I did I'd still have to wait until marriage.

Porn and masturbation is my only sexual outlet right now. It's so hard to quit. Most I've ever gone is 6 days. But on average I can only go like 3 days. It's so hard. When I don't masturbate I end up being turned on for the whole day and… it's a winnie the pooh mess. I get blue down there too and it really hurts. The only way I can relieve it is by giving the snake a little rub. winnie the pooh man it's so hard. I just can't stop thinking of beautiful women sometimes and just want to… you know… *unhhh* them. winnie the pooh! What do?

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Non-church denominations?

I've been trying to find a good church in my area for such a long time. It's so draining to go to a church, sit there thinking it'll be a good time, everyone's there in good faith and to get closer to God, and Mr.Some Guy in a Tie comes up to the pulpit and spends the rest of of church time not talking about god or the bible, but "Why you should vote for Mr.That Guy That Ate Babies Back in The 80's or Something as your new government official."

I get that church is important, but there's so much corruption in the churches where I live that finding a good one (one that remains a good one too) seems impractical with the resources and time I have available to me. I'm curious what my other options are.

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Belgian Catholic church to broadcast Islamic call to prayer during ‘concert of peace’

>This Sunday a large cathedral in the Belgian city of Mechelen will broadcast the Islamic call to prayer, newspaper HLN reports.

>The call to prayer, normally only heard in mosques, will be part of a large WW1 remembrance concert, the newspaper writes.

>Five Belgian choirs with 180 singers will take part in the ceremony. “The Armed Man – A Mass for Peace” of British composer Karl Jenkins will be played.

>The concert is announced also as a visual spectacle as there will be footage that was specially selected for the performance.

>The Islamic call to prayer is part of the concert in the cathedral. “With this remembrance concert we want to make a universal call for peace, justice and humanity for everybody,” the organiser says.

>Apart from the Islamic call to prayer, the (((Jewish Kaddisj))) will also be played in the Catholic church. All tickets for the concert have already been sold out.



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End of GOD? Claims humans will 'worship AI Messiah'…

And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”


It is already predicted that AI will soon be present in all areas of the workplace, with industry experts saying it will eventually do millions of jobs currently done by people. It is thought that every field – from publishing to factory work – will eventually be dominated by intelligent robots as men and women become increasingly obsolete. But now experts believe more than jobs are at risk in the Artificial Intelligence revolution. Novelist Dan Brown previously warned people may no longer worship God or pray to Jesus – instead putting all their faith in an AI messiah.

Speaking about the advent of this technology, the Da Vinci Code writer said: “Humanity no longer needs God but may with the help of artificial intelligence develop a new form of collective consciousness that fulfils the role of religion. “Are we naive today to believe that the gods of the present will survive and be here in a hundred years?” According to Daily Galaxy, MIT physicist and cosmologist Max Tegmark also said that once this new superintelligence is vastly greater than that of a human, the fate of mankind will depend on it. He explained: “The real risk with artificial general intelligence isn’t malice but competence. “A superintelligent AI will be extremely good at accomplishing its goals, and if those goals aren’t aligned with ours, we’re in trouble.”

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Cathodox Creationists?

I used to be more or less a "Theistic Evolution" person, but now I'm considering creationism, and even Young Earth Creationism. I know these stance are more common amongst Protestants, but are there any Catholics or Orthodox who subscribe to either of these? Are there any good resources regarding this?


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gif/webm thread

gif/webm thread

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Where is that story when Abraham is saved by angels after being thrown into a furnace by Nimrod for smashing all his father's idols? I could've sworn I read it but now I'm looking back at Genesis and cannot find it. I've been looking for it all over the Bible but I can't find it. I swear though I read it! Am I just remembering something wrong? It has been a while since I've read the Bible through and I'm just getting back into going to church and stuff. I have read the whole Bible but as said it has been a while. Does anyone know the source of this story?

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Opinions? I'm a Catholic thinking about starting it. My greatest role model, Saint Pope John Paul II used to do it. :)

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Icon thread

post your favorite Icons

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Why is Christianity (or Judaism) not the oldest known religion?

I asked a pastor but didn't get a response. Anthropologically, speaking, Christianity isn't the oldest religion (Or Judaism, not in the modern sense but the pre-Christ religion of God sense), despite the religion's god being responsible for the creation of mankind.

I understand other religions could branch off from preChristianity and morph through distance and the lack of a solidified church stucture, but I don't see anything to suggest God ever just stopped communicating with humanity for a huge gap between Adam and modern humans, so why isn't the Christian God a constant in human worship for all of recorded history?

Or is He, and I'm just not aware? I know the Proto-Semetic people have been worshiping in some way or another since ancient times, but animism seems to predate their worship.

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I was recently attacked by a kid about 13-16 years old. I think it may have been a gang initiation, he was with a large pack of kids. I can pray for the kid, but I find it very difficult to pray for the older kids who likely put him up to it. What should I do?

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I've been lurking on here for a while. I'd like to become a Christian, but I have a few questions first.

If God is omniscient and entirely good, why does he permit evil? Why did evil come about in the first place? If it's because of man's free will, why did God give him the gift if he knew what it would entail? Why did God create man and then just have him sort of go back to him in the end? Are we living in a comedy? I don't know how to answer these questions so I'm looking for some answers.

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Is lust immoral?

If we forget about what the Bible says, who was in the right here?

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I’m new to Christianity and have Questions

What is Gnosticism?

Why is there so many fractions of Christianity and do all of them lead to Heaven?

Can any Sin be Forgiven?

How many times should I pray and any sort of prayers?

Do I need a Cross?

And anything I should refrain from?

And can you keep asking for forgiveness for a certain sin you keep committing?

>Pic Related Got me here

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Did Jesus have a sense of humor?

Serious discussion. I have many questions. It's such a broad topic I am only scraping the surface.

Did Jesus ever laugh? What does the bible have to say about humor?

I want to know because I want to be like Jesus, yet my life before Jesus was built on a somewhat flimsy foundation of humor. What part of humor can I salvage as I strive to become virtuous? What part of humor is an indulgence? Is laughter a gift from God?

I have had a difficult life. I probably don't have it the worst, but if I wasn't able to laugh at the absolute ludicrous situations, when life was at its worse, I may not have been able to endure. Tragedy can completely ruin one's life, right? Is it a virtue to be able to laugh at the divine sense of humor? From this angle, laughing becomes a sort of form of faith, an extreme relief

that everything will be okay.

Laughing is physically, scientifically good for you. It does all sorts of positive things in the brain, endorphins, pain relief, increased blood flow, and more. Laughing is a symptom of good health. (Ancient Greeks even derived medicine from what their so-called humor fluids)

Where does humor come from? It comes from the ridiculous. Ridicule. Ridicule is an illumination of the faults of an oblivious victim. Say they are too ugly and you are pretty. That's the start of something funny. Say they have misfortune. Say they are stupid and you are dumb. Poking fun is one of the most potent sources of humor. Is laughter a tool of the devil? Laughter has a way of lowering one's defenses. It seems to always be sub-par humor, thankfully, when compared to the genuine good humor stuff. Is laughter childish? Is trolling funny? Is laughing at the expense of others a sin? Is laughing in the face of misfortune a sin?

Please discuss.

Why does God give us this mechanism of laughter in each and every human?

Is it possible Jesus had a subtle humor that was lost in translation and colloquialisms?

Help define what the proper amount of humor is for a Christian.

Or has it already been defined?

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Was she really that bad as redditors tell me?

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Anti-Christian nonsense.

Can we make a list of all the debunked information that is passed around here? I keep running into the same New Ager/Muslim nonsense. If we could get a bingo board with links to articles or Docs that would be great.

I get it, that /Christian/ doesn't want to be defending their religion more than they already have to, but one of the reason i personally stopped Christianity at a young age was because there was no one to answer all the questions thrown at me from worldly people and media.

New Ager/Gnostic

Expect blackpill defeatism.

>muh demiurge

>muh fanfiction is gospel

both needs a good answer, but it was discovered in 1945. yet they still try to lump it as part of Christianity

>Jesus saying "you are gods"/Christ consciousness

"You Are Gods": What Did Jesus Mean? - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=sUH_E3KD52A

>Poof the New Age is satanic/gnostics will claim they're not New Ager though despite replacing Christ with lucifer

Proof The New Age Is Satanic - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=DtkGgtExLcY

>the kingdom of God is "within you"

The Kingdom Of God Is Within You: Was Jesus A Mystic? - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=N9FoEXbqHOk

>Alternative gospels, Tomas, Enoch, ect

Lee Strobel about the gospel of Thomas - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=hDwy2Xp0eQ0


Expect them to lie, pic related.

>Apostile paul was a false prophet

The Anti-Christ Apostle Paul LIE DEBUNKED/DEFENDING Paul - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=F2eM7kcwGDw

>The bible is corrupted

The Quran, the Bible, and the Islamic Dilemma - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=nNAS0aaViM4


Muhammad Affirms the Bible - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=0KjoeFkK7xA

>Christians and Muslims worshop the same God

Christians & Muslims Do NOT Worship The Same God - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=CvB7m2ySP5E


>bible sez Jew

Good luck, even if you explain the process of Judaism into Christianity, or how anti-judiasm revelation is, most won't budge. But i've run into one pagan that at least acknowledges that Christianity isn't Jewish, even if he said that it's not enough to white supremacy.

Special/shared between belief systems

>Jesus copy cat thesis

Freemasons teach the same - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=kRABgw-0lG4

>Jesus is copy of horus

Jesus vs Horus https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=5FR08QtvapM ← short answer

Jesus vs X https://www.invidio.us/channel/UC5qDet6sa6rODi7t6wfpg8g

Aquarius - The Age Of Evil (focuses on the Theosophy/lucifarian new world order, but goes into great detail on the Copy cat thesis) - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=F3u4iSVpbBw

Lucifer's MOST Devilish Deception - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=JDQOZlJcOQU

Dispelling the sun god myth of Christ - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=QLG0akHe9Hc ← long answer but most focused on the sun god myth

>The bible has been over translated/isn't reliable.

Deepak Chopra vs Christian Apologist - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=meYHmFz33NE

>Why does God allow bad thing/if god is real why does he let bad things happen

Why Do Bad Things Happen? God is Either Mean or Doesn't Exist, Right? - https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=kOPwJr8SKso

Feel free to add, i would like to make a bingo board for each, but it needs to be written well to debunk the cliche.

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The New IFB

>What is The New IFB?

The New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement is a title used to identify churches and believers from around the world who take the word of God seriously. The movement is a revival of what the old IFB once represented.

> What are the primary doctrines of The New IFB?

* Faith alone for salvation

* Once saved always saved

* King James Bible (KJV) only

* Trinity

* Soul-winning

* Hard preaching

* Anti-worldliness

* Anti-calvinism

* Anti-dispensational

* Anti-zionism

* Post-trib pre-wrath rapture

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Pro Life site “Lifesite” blacklisted from webhost


LifeSite, a Christian pro-life news outlet, was allegedly blacklisted by its web host and given just 12 hours to find another host the website, or risk being offline.

“LifeSite just received an email at 8:30 p.m. EST from our web-hosting company alerting us that they will be taking our website down within 12 hours, if not sooner,” claimed LifeSite in a statement, Saturday. “We received absolutely no forewarning whatsoever about this decision.”

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What does think of /christian/ nihilism? Nothing good about this morally degenerate existence than why getting attached to mortal life to begin with? Shouldn’t you focus on getting to god than wasting time to getting attached to worthless living life?

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Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit

Help, I fear that I have commited Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and have lost my salvation. I feel empty kind of, I prayed and stuff since then. But I don’t know what to think.

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Christian /lit/

What are you reading these days? Are you also writing anything?

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Why is suicide wrong?

I have nothing to live for.

I have no one

I have no love

I have no purpose

I have no meaning

Why is it wrong for me to kill myself?

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What is the Holy Spirit?

The only satisfying answer I've heard to this question is it is consciousness. But I've also heard other claims too, such as it being the global subconscious. Others say it's the equivalent of God's magic wand and that's it. What does /christian/ think it is?

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Memes aside, what does this verse really implies/means ?

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

-Matthew 10:34 (KJV)

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My mother and a certain Maronite made me lose my faith

In my life, I never thought that one day I would actually hate Christianity so much. Don't get me wrong, I love the rituals, I love the theological construction and mental exercise Christianity provides very easily. But what I hate is the fact that so many Christians falsely so called act all self arrogant and self righteous by condemning you for one small thing done or say. Not like they are perfect or free from sin. Come on dont kid yourself. You are sinful like the rest of us Christian or not.

What I hate is how big mouthed these Christians so called can be, poking their hooked nose into affairs that dont concern them. Seriously? What are you an old auntie that loves drama and gossip that she gotta poke her nose everywhere?

Worst of all is my mother. That person can only criticise criticise criticise. Wow not like she is so perfect. So good. So holy! If you are so holy then act like it and stop acting like so are so holy you can tell me I am mentally ill and retarded! Stop shouting at me over every small damn winnie the poohed thing that happen. And stop acting like me getting fired was due to my retardation! It was due to people with big mouth!

All these just made me wonder where the fcuk is grace? Where is God's transformative power? Christians say it exist but I dont see any of it anywhere

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Asia Bibi: anti-blasphemy protests spread across Pakistan

Thousands of Islamist protesters have brought Pakistan to a standstill, burning rickshaws, cars and lorries to protest against the acquittal of a Christian woman who spent eight years on death row on false charges of blasphemy.


Traffic jams held up ambulances and forced mothers to feed their babies by the side of the road, while authorities shut schools across most of the country.

Footage from the protests shows anti-blasphemy campaigners clubbing and throwing shoes at posters of Pakistan’s chief justice and the new prime minister, Imran Khan, who on Wednesday night threatened a fierce government response if protesters did not disperse.

“We are ready to sacrifice our lives for this noble cause,” one told the Guardian, “and have rejected whatever rubbish the prime minister said in his speech”.

The landmark release of Asia Bibi, a 47-year-old farm labourer, has pitched the state into the latest of several battles with supporters of Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), a rabid, fast-growing political party that exists solely to punish blasphemers. Asia was charged with insulting the prophet Muhammad after she drank from a cup of water before passing it to Muslim fruit-pickers.

Police have so far shied away from arresting protesters and the powerful armed forces, which often appear to align with Islamists, have yet to issue a statement, despite TLP leaders daring to call for mutiny in its ranks.

On Thursday, rightwing religious organisations, including Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JUD), a charity founded by UN-designated terrorist Hafiz Saeed, and the Jamaat-Ulema-e-Islam, announced that they would join the TLP protest on Friday, in what could become an unmanageable conflagration.

The new government of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) appeared to backtrack on Thursday evening, sending a five-member negotiating team to meet Khadim Hussain Rizvi, the leader of the TLP. Government officials released contradictory statements on whether they had placed Asia on the exit control list, which would prevent her fleeing the country.

In public speeches, Rizvi has said his only demand is that the mother-of-five be put to death, the punishment for blasphemy under Pakistan’s penal code. “Our sit-in will go on until the government accepts our demand,” he told the Guardian in a phone interview, denying reports that the sit-in would soon be over.

Imran Khan is scheduled to return on 5 November from a diplomatic visit to China, Pakistan’s oldest ally. Liberals hope that the prime minister, who echoed the TLP’s rhetoric on the campaign trail and has already backed down before the group, will stick to his newfound principles under the most severe test of a turbulent first 10 weeks in power.

“It’s up in the air,” said analyst Fasi Zaka. “You still get the feeling they are figuring out what to do.”

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Are viruses punishments from God? Is HIV a punishment on faggots? Is Ebola a punishment on Muslims? What was the black death a punishment for?

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Why have we had so much more anti-Christian spam today than we normally do? Did someone outside find out about this board? What's going on?

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I find my brother extremely irritating and annoying. It is making me MAD

My brother came to my house and I find him extremely annoying. I hate how he speaks. I hate his face. I hate the way he kowtow to everyone he meets. Like wow he is so winnie the pooh humble

I just hate his presence and I am going angry.

What should I do?

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How do protestants reach salvation?

I mean all protestant churches, at least the ones I know, reject the concept of an institution intepreting the bible and passing down towards its believers and using it along with its catholic traditions, like confession and the Eucharist, to reach the Grace state and therefore salvation. So how the hell do protestants reach salvation? Do they honestly believe that through faith alone you can reach a state of grace? I mean if there isn't a system, faith alone can mean anything and therefore no one reaches salvation

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So as we all know not being able to find a female is a problem that many young men including myself face and as we males know sexual frustration can and most often leads to sin such as porn and masturbation and that's good for many reasons but i'm sure you already know that so since many males can't meet girls to marry and fulfill their natural desires for love what can we do? Now what i'm about to say might sound a bit crazy perhaps local churches could start programs to help young men find a gf/wife perhaps women could volunteer for these programs i mean i know how it sounds but is it better to let young men drowned in dependency that can seriously hurt their psyche and soul

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Please explain the logos to me I just want to understand is God the word like a 4th person in the trinity or even official christian doctrine or something else? I'm not trolling I'm just not very smart

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Do you think there will be a point where Christianity is decisively in the position of being proven?

Or disproven. I think if the end times doesn’t occur before interplanetary habitation it won’t occur at all.

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Most Influential Bibles

Ok, so the Peshitta (Aramaic), Vulgate (Latin), Luther Bible (German), and King James Version (English) are arguable the most significant and influential Bible translations. But which is really the best?

Inb4 IFB KJV worship and Papist Vulgate worship.

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Is it even worth reading English Bibles? There are so many verses mistranslated to sound cucked or nonsensical. One example is Matthew 19:18 where pic is translated to kill. Another example in this case where it’s just silly is John 1:1 where Logos is translated to word. I used to consult my Bible for wisdom but when I was a child my personal interpretation using English translations led to me taking terrible cucked advice from the Bible. Is this a fallacy of English Bibles or personal interpretation in general? This is what really makes me struggle with my faith. Grabbing a common Bible and enacting what you read in the New Testament is a guaranteed trip to failure.

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>gays should go to jail

You seriously don't unironically support this, right??

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What led the Japhethites to go forth and conquer?

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Landmark study proves homosexuality is strongly linked to Catholic clergy sex abuse

This story has been out for a week and no major news outlets have picked it up.



The study was conducted by a Catholic priest who is a sociology professor at CUA.

Clergy sexual abuse is still a problem. Since peaking 35 years ago, it has declined much less than commonly thought. The decline is consistent with an overall drop in sexual assault in American society.

Since 2002 abuse has been rising amid signs of complacency by Church leaders, and today is comparable to the early 1970s.

The share of homosexual men in the priesthood rose from twice that of the general population in the 1950s to eight times the general population in the 1980s. This trend was strongly correlated with increasing child sex abuse.

A quarter of priests ordained in the late 1960s report the existence of a homosexual subculture in their seminary, rising to over half of priests ordained in the 1980s. This trend was also strongly correlated with increasing child sex abuse.

Four out of five victims over age seven were boys; only one in five were girls. Ease of access to boys relative to girls accounts for about one fifth of this disparity. The number of homosexual priests accounts for the remaining four fifths.

And perhaps the most chilling conclusion of Sullin’s research is this:

Estimates from these findings predict that, had the proportion of homosexual priests remained at the 1950s level, at least 12,000 fewer children, mostly boys, would have suffered abuse.

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So how did Christians get duped into becoming Christian Zionist? This phenomenon seems to only exist post World War II since before that everyone seemed to know that Christianity and Judaism are not only incompatible but are also scripturally enemies so what happens?

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Catholic or Protestant, who is going to hell

So Catholics say Protestants are going to hell, Protestants say Catholics are going to hell. Both have solid defenses for both of their doctrines, and both sides, dont you dare say they don't, they objectively do. If you put the entirety of Protestant defenses and Catholic defenses in two machines and fired those two doctrines at each other to figure out which one came on top, surely it would create a kugelblitz of matter-anti-matter annihilation. That's how I feel at least when weighing the two. Catholics will laugh for saying that Protestant doctrine is solid, Protestants will do the same. Because both sides believe they are irrevocably correct.

I dont mean to invite division with this thread, that's not my intention, but I have recently come out of a years long struggle with myself, and after the Lord has overturned years of inner turmoil, spiritual anguish, panic, despair and existential anxiety, I have finally been fully restored to full repentance over night. Praise God! But now with answers come more questions. Now, I care about nothing else but God. Disobeying him grieves not only the Holy Spirit but deeply grieves my own heart. I desire only the Lord. There is no worldly thing of mine left, only a heart that seeks the Lord remains. I seek and desire truth and only truth, but truth becomes such a fickle thing when everyone claims to have it absolutely. This is the dilemma I face with protestants and Catholics.

I've read the word and I know in my heart on almost a supernatural level that the holy spirit dwells in me and I must be saved. I bear these fruits of the holy spirit, I have become like a wild man unto those who don't understand wrestling with the Lord and seeking his face. I am so desperate for his presence that soon I will spend 8 days in the wilderness without food, alone from him until I hear his voice or understand his will for my life. Please understand that no matter what judgements or preconceptions you make of my person, that my journey and my heart is genuine.

But I listen to this discourse between sects and denominations and they all have such wisdom, but from a fundamental level, who is right? Who can ever be saved? If I remain a "protestant" then what if the Catholics are right? If I become a Catholic, what if the protestants are right and I am deceived? I just want the Lord! I just want my God! And at this point I feel that I am deceived by both sides because I will always be rejected by one of them! But what do I care about the opinions of men? My desire is the Lord and only the Lord. I am at peace when he is pleased of me. Yet how can I ever know what is right? I only want my heart to be right. I want the Lord to see what's in my heart and be pleased and favor me because my heart seeks him. But damn this denominationalism for making me so uncertain and double minded. You all say you're right and have good reasons for believing you're secure, but how can I find security in one side only to stand before my Savior and be told "I never knew you?"

If I can't be sure that I belong to my Father in Heaven then I'd rather be dead. Catholics, you say ecclesiam nulla salus, but what about me? And I sit in Catholic churches and I feel so empty. To the protestants, you see Catholicism as so fundamentally erroneous yet I go church to church and no one is convicted by the Holy Spirit, everyone is idle and blissful WHEN THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO HELL

I'm judging no one, we live in turbulent times. I'm confused and wandering. Who is right? Who has the answer? Can I ever find peace and security in the Lord? Please help me brothers.

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Pope warns against new seeds of anti-Semitism…

His warning came as far-right, xenophobic and neo-fascist political movements are making gains across Europe


VILNIUS, Lithuania (AP) — Pope Francis warned against historic revisionism and any rebirth of anti-Semitism that fueled the Holocaust as he marked the annual remembrance Sunday for Lithuania’s centuries-old Jewish community that was nearly wiped out during World War II. Francis began his second day in the Baltics in Lithuania’s second city, Kaunas, where an estimated 3,000 Jews survived out of a community of 37,000 during the 1941-1944 Nazi occupation. He ended it back in the capital, Vilnius, to pay his respects to Lithuanians who were deported to Siberian gulags or were tortured and killed at home during five decades of Soviet occupation. Francis honored freedom fighters at the former KGB headquarters where anti-Soviet partisans were detained and executed, solemnly touring the underground chambers that have now been turned into a haunting museum of occupation atrocities. “In this place of remembrance, Lord, we pray that your cry may keep us alert,” he said afterward. “That your cry, Lord, may free us from the spiritual sickness that remains a constant temptation for us as a people: forgetfulness of the experiences and sufferings of those who have gone before us.”

Francis paid equal tribute to victims of both Nazi and Soviet atrocities on the 75th anniversary of the final destruction of the ghetto in Vilnius, which had been known for centuries as the “Jerusalem of the North” for its importance to Jewish thought and politics. Each year, the Sept. 23 anniversary is commemorated with readings of the names of Jews who were killed by Nazis or Lithuanian partisans or were deported to concentration camps. Francis prayed silently in the former ghetto and warned against the temptation “that can dwell in every human heart” to want to be superior or dominant to others again. He prayed for the gift of discernment “to detect in time any new seeds of that pernicious attitude, any whiff of it that can taint the heart of generations that did not experience those times and can sometimes be taken in by such siren songs.”

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Stop watching porn.

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Verses supporting your denomination

Post some verses that support your denomination. No arguing. Just post verses.

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I can't take this anymore. This desire I have for sexual pleasure is too strong.

Tomorrow, a woman wants to have sex with me, this is my first time. I know I shouldn't, but it's too hard, I get consumed by pleasure. I don't want to lose my purity brothers, but I don't know if I'll be able to refuse that woman.

Help me, please, I really want to change my ways, but I don't know how or where.

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>Life begins at conception, any other definition is arbitrary

Drunkenness begins at a drop

Fact: If you can't define the level of intoxication that qualifies as "drunk", drinking would be a sin

Redpill: the wise Christian abstains for life

<Where do you draw the line?

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What’s your opinion on vegetarianism/veganism?

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Will Catholic-Orthodox unity ever happen?

Will Catholic-Protestant unity ever happen?

Will Abrahamic unity ever happen?

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What’s with the whole Baptist thing here?

On this board, Baptists are a contentious topic. There’s a divide between Baptists, who angrily post all day every day, angry about other denoms; and people who have radical frothing-at-the-mouth hatred for Baptists. Whether pro or against, there are also Baptist posts on this board, and they are always the most high-temper passionate threads on this board.

In the real world, none of that exists. Baptists generally just keep to themselves, and maybe evangelize in their local neighborhoods. There’s no deep hatred in Baptist churches, no constant railing against false religions and foreign denominations. On the flip side, they don’t factor deeply into non-Baptist Christian thought at all. I’ve read plenty of theologians talk about different strains of Christianity, and Baptists almost never cross their mind. I’ve heard people list Christian denoms and generally they just forget about Baptists (or footnote them away under fundamentalists or evangelical). There’s no major scholarship confronting Baptists.

For the most part, Baptists don’t bother anybody and nobody bothers Baptists. Why is it so different on /christian/?

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>tfw too dumb to understand Paul’s epistles

Seriously I’ve read them all three times and they just go right over my head. Any good commentaries or anything?

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Geocentrism or Heliocentrism?

What does the Bible teach? Which does science support?

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I don't understand why so many of you here throw fits over ethnic churches. I'm a Serb born to Serb parents, and I currently reside in the US. When I go to church, I don't want to hear people speaking English there. I don't want to hear the priest reading in English. It is a SERBIAN-AMERICAN church first and foremost, established for the Serb Orthodox community in this area. I consider myself a Serb and an American at the same time, sort of how a lot of previous European immigrants saw themselves before their communities here were absolutely destroyed by instituting English as the primary language within their own self-contained communities. When I am out and about, I speak English. When I am at home and church (extended home), around relatives, or around other fellow Serbian-speakers, I expect to speak nothing but Serbian.

I don't have anything against English, and I certainly don't have anything against Americans who speak English coming to our church. You are free to become Orthodox, and you are free to attend church. What you are not free to do is usurp a position of authority within the SERBIAN-AMERICAN church if you don't speak Serbian. If you can't speak Serbian, I'll speak English with you. I have NOTHING against Americans or English. I respect a lot of Americans I've met a LOT more than fellow Serbs. Language is tied to behavior, and it's tied to how we perceive one another. The Serbian language has a lot of things attached to it that do not spring forth in the mind when using English instead, and vice versa.

I think the greatest disaster that befell Polish-Americans, Italian-Americans, German-Americans, etc. is the loss of their native language that they brought over from the old world. This has led to "muh 15% Polish" idiocy we see today. If you loved your ancestry and your roots so damn much, why did you give up your old language? Why not speak both? Ethnic communities with strong roots and a love of their native language and appreciation of their old world culture brought forth into the new are ideal. I love Americans as individuals, but I think they really wet the bed with the melting pot idea. I'm not a fan of it and never have been, even between European peoples, so don't accuse me of being /pol/.

I'd like to know why you some of you are so hostile towards this? I know it's an unfeasible prospect, because all immigrants tend to assimilate due to economic pressure or whatever else, but by God my children will speak my language as long as I'm alive.

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Dying grandpa wants to be euthanized

My grandfather is dying and is in grave pain. Unable to walk and being barely able to lift his arms, he begged me to get him euthanized. He wants out of the pain.

Bros, what should I do?


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Catholic Holy Days

>solemnity of mary

>immaculate conception of mary

>assumption of mary

>all saints day


>ascension thursday

You're telling me that Catholics have more holy days devoted to their saints than to Jesus?

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Catholic - Baptist - Orthodox friendship thread

Since we have so many arguments, I thought it would be nice to have something different for once. The purpose of this thread isn't to argue or discuss our difference, but to interact how you would with brothers in a church. I'm a Baptist personally (well a bit different from most but no two people have the same relationship with God) but I was always under the assumption that Orthodoxs and Catholics were also my brothers in Christ. So I'm just going to point out things I really admire about them.

>Catholic Priest garments. Truly /fa/

>Catholic and Orthodox Churches are always strikingly beautiful

>Pretty much all art created by both

>The Church fathers that originally compiled the Bible as we have it now

>Both Ortho and Catholic saints; their lives were always an amazing inspiration for a Godly life

>While it's always a trait I find in Christian brothers, every Orthodox I met had great intergrity and were always trustworthy

>Both would happily receive me in their churches like I would in mine

We are all three siblings of the same Father; to me, Orthodox is like the oldest but most mysterious brother because I don't really know what he does, and Catholics being the middle child that was always around to help me with my homework. Like a big happy imperfect family. I love you Orthodorks and Cathonerds.

>tl;dr unite together to laugh at pagans

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The number of abortions in Russia has dropped by nearly 2/3 since the beginning of the century, according to statistics presented by Deputy Prime Minister Tatiana Golikova, reports Interfax-Religion.

In 2000, there were 2,138,000 recorded abortions in Russia, and in 2017—779,999.

“That’s a very serious decline—63.5%,” Golikova noted.

Moreover, the number of Russians who condemn abortion has tripled in 20 years, from 12 to 35%. There is still a long way to go, however.

It was previously announced in January 2017 that the number of abortions had been halved in Russia in the span of four years, with a 13% drop in 2016—96,300 abortions. As Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova, the number of abortions by desire, without medical conditions, dropped by 72,000 that year.

The fight against abortion is the Church’s most important social work, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill stated at the opening of the VII Church-wide Congress for Social Work in Moscow in October of last year.

His Holiness has twice addressed the State Duma, calling for them to find a solution to the “horrifyingly high

'Horrifyingly high' abortion rate must be cut, says head of Russian Orthodox Church

The idea of absolutely prioritising the value of free choice and of rejecting the priority of moral norms has become a slowly exploding bomb for Western civilisation, he said in a speech to lawmakers.

” number of abortions that continue to plague Russia.

The Church recently opened its 58th shelter for pregnant women and mothers, and it also operates 169 humanitarian aid centers throughout the country.


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A question.

I get this feeling that the majority of users on this board dont go to church on Sunday's. So be honest do you go to church every Sunday? Do you have the same suspicion as me?

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On this morning’s broadcast of Sunday mass a crazed man charged the altar during Communion.


From @SpaceGirl: Oh….I was watching mass on EWTN and this man started screaming blasphemies during the holy eucharist & wine part, he said the f bomb & other words I can not say & he was ushered out & they silence that part. He has a demon & it came out. Boy, May god be with him

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Aovdah Zarah

I'm currently looking, in my spare time, into the Jewish belief that Christianity is a form of idol-worship or, Avodah Zarah. I came across this interesting debate between Toviah Singer and Jim Cantelon. The following dialog takes place from about 22:40 in the related video.

>Moderator: You say you’re not threatened, that you’re not threatened by the Jew, right? By the identity of the Jew. And ask for like-treatment in a sense. Sincere question: Isn’t it in some sense threatening? I mean, you’re not threatened, because the Jew doesn’t ask anything, doesn’t ask that the christian believe, except for the Noachide laws in the Old Testament, in the same way that the Christian asks the Jew to believe in the new. But, Isn’t there, at least, a minimal threat merely in the rejection, right merely that the Jew merely stands opposed to the idea …That’s not a threat?


No, because most of the Gentile world rejects Jesus, too. I mean, the assumption that you’re either a Jew, a Christian or a Muslim, I mean that’s the assumption in the Middle East. But, from the Christian perspective, and Rabbi Novak was right there’s authentic Christians and there’s inauthentic. See, in the Christian world, you’re not Christian if you’re born to Christian parents. You’re an unbeliever. You’re belief neutral, if you will. And there’s a lot of gentiles out there who hate the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.


it’s not a demographic point, though I’m asking at the level of teaching, Right. that the level of teaching, of Jewish teaching, Jesus is rejected, conceptually, on a conceptual basis, as Rabbi singer said, as idolatry. Isn’t that a threat? isn’t that the biggest conceivable insult, really? to say, I reject, we’re rejecting Christianity, not because we don’t feel like it. I mean you know there are a lot of people who are apathetic. who don’t want be christians, don’t want to be buddhists, don’t want to be anything. But for the Jew to stand up “I reject Christianity because of its idolatrous insistence. There’s some point in its teaching which is asking me to be an idolater, and I adhere to my god on this one point.” Isn’t that a threat?

I'm interested in pursuing this, further and learning more in general, just in case I have to debate this point someday. The moderator tries to get Cantelon to discuss the topic that Jewish teaching presents Christianity as idol-worship. Cantelon demures, and never addresses it. It seems strange to try to raise this point of tension that many outsiders to Torah and Talmud study would just not know (Avodah Zarah is a volume of the talmud).

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Middle eastern Christian rampant liberalism

I went to Lebanon for a holiday a few years ago. There was a gay pride march in Beruit and guess who were there marching for gay pride?

Not the muslims, not the jews, not the druze but the Maronites. Two men wearing thongs were literally wearing rosaries as they danced promiscuously. Even worse I swore I saw a few priests

I thought Middle Eastern Christians are supposed to be based. What happened?

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Lutheran (Protestant) General

SOLA SCRIPTURA (Scripture Alone)

SOLA FIDE (Faith Alone)

SOLA GRATIA (Grace Alone)


SOLI DEO GLORIA (Glory to God Alone)

The purpose of this thread is to have a discussion place for pretty much all Protestants on this board, but since I'm Lutheran this thread is Lutheran themed. I welcome all Protestants including Calvinists, Anglicans, Methodists, and even Baptists as long as you don't promote KJV worship. Promoting KJV onlyism will be considered breaking the rules of this thread. Otherwise discuss.

Cathodox are welcome for discussion and debate but promoting your doctrines will be considered against thread rules.

Please be charitable, please be respectful, please be orthodox, please follow the rules in the meta thread.

We hereby affirm the sacredness of the holy scriptures, that they alone are worthy for the deposit of faith according to our faith; the Old Testament following the Hebrew canon excluding all apocrypha, and the whole New Testament; all in accordance with the holy scriptures. (Mark 7:8, 2 Timothy 3:16, Revelation 22:18-19)

We affirm the fallen nature of man by original sin, and that man in unable to come to God on his own; that because of the great mercy of God, it is faith alone which saves a man, and not works; but that works are only a true manifestation of one's faith; all in accordance with the holy scriptures. (Genesis 1:1-24, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 3:16, Romans 1:17, Romans 3:10)

We believe in the holy Trinity, one God in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; all equal, all undivided, all worshiped, all one single God; and we believe that the Son, the second person of the holy Trinity, became the man Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit being conceived of the virgin Mary; all in accordance with the holy scriptures. (Philippians 2:6-11, John 1:14, Luke 1:35, Matthew 28:19, 1 John 5:7)

We believe in the two sacraments (or ordinances) of the faith; baptism in water in the name of the Trinity, for the forgiveness of sins; the Lord's Supper or Communion or the Eucharist, a remembrance of Christ's passion; all in accordance with the holy scriptures. (Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:16, Colossians 2:12, Luke 22:14-20, 1 Corinthians 10:16-17)

We believe in the atoning death of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross, and his resurrection from the dead thee days later, and the formation of the Christian Church immediately afterwards; all in accordance with the holy scriptures. (Matthew 27:32-56, Mark 16:1-8, Acts 1:6-11, Acts 2:1-13, Romans 5:8)

We affirm the truths of the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Apostles' Creed, and the Athanasian Creed, that all are perfectly in line with the holy scriptures; we affirm the Chalcedonian definition of Christ, that it is in line with the holy scriptures; we affirm all others creeds or definitions or catechisms, including those of the great reformation, that we find to be in line with the creeds and definitions above which are all in line with the holy scriptures. (i.e. The 95 Theses, etc.)

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what caused Christianity to be viewed so negatively in the public eye? most people i know view it as "silly" or "evil", how did we arriive here?

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Fellas I've been fairly non-religious for about five years and now that I'm looking back into Christianity and more specifically Catholicism I'm starting to like the concepts more and more

The only thing I disagree with is the bible being the direct and fault-proof word of God considering it was actually written by man

Am I being converted? Is this the end of my life as a degenerate?

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Genesis 1:2

>And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.




>וְהָאָ֗רֶץ הָיְתָ֥ה תֹ֙הוּ֙ וָבֹ֔הוּ וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־ פְּנֵ֣י תְהֹ֑ום וְר֣וּחַ אֱלֹהִ֔ים מְרַחֶ֖פֶת עַל־ פְּנֵ֥י הַמָּֽיִם׃

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My bad Christian experience

>be me a korean

>go to ROCOR parish

>priest ignore me eventhough I want to begome orthodox

>parishoners talk about how korean girls only like white men and how korean eat dogs during coffee hour

>priest literally laughs

I am done with Orthodoxy. Thanks a lot racists

Friendship over with Orthodox and Papist, Baptist is my denom now

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What exactly is an evangelical?

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>Canon devout Catholic

>Fights communists and drug lords all his adult life

>Never goes on mission without his Crucifix

Is Rico Rodriguez a good Christian? Just cause is probably the only video game series that isn’t anti-christian or communist propaganda.


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Near Death Experiences and Christianity

Guys I need help making sense of all this NDE (near death experience) stuff. Most NDE's don't sound at all like what Christianity teaches, there's no judgement, it's just mostly blissful and happy, and there's a lot of the experiences that mention reincarnation and things like that. Overall it sounds more like what gnostics and occultists and hindus and such teach. How do we make sense of NDE's? I mean, we could just label them all hallucinations, but that seems a tad dismissive, some of these people really were dead, clinically dead. Halp pls. these are some more videos I watched:




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Why do I keep destroying my friendships and how to stop?

Ever since I was a teen, I just cant form and keep long lasting friendships. The few people that I got close to, I only end up pushing them away one way or another. Either because I am so angered by something of them or I just vent my wrath on them whenever I am down or in a bad mood.

I dont want to be a monster, I want to be able to love but I keep getting in the way

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Rebel priest says he's being punished by church…

Father Pierre Vignon, a Roman Catholic priest, says he's been punished by church leaders in France after he gathered more than 100,000 signatures for an online petition that called for a cardinal to resign because of his handling of child sex-abuse cases.


PARIS (AP) — A Catholic priest said Friday that he has been punished by church leaders in France after he gathered more than 100,000 signatures for a petition calling for a cardinal to resign over his handling of child sexual abuse cases. The Rev. Pierre Vignon said he learned in an email Thursday that he would no longer be considered for the church court where he has served as a judge since 2002. In a phone interview, Vignon said the decision showed church leaders are of two minds about how to deal with sex predators within the Catholic clergy. “They say, ‘We want to do everything,’ but to whistleblowers, ‘We want to shut you up,’” Vignon said. The email stated Vignon was no longer a church judge but did not explain the reason for the decision made by 12 bishops who oversee the area of southeast France where he ministers, the priest said.

Vignon’s online petition in August called for the resignation of Cardinal Philippe Barbarin, who has been the archbishop of Lyon since 2002. Vignon faulted the cardinal’s handling of a notorious alleged pedophile priest suspected of abusing Boy Scouts in Lyon during the 1980s. Barbarin and other church officials are due in court in January to answer victims’ charges they were aware of the Lyon priest’s alleged history of abuse and didn’t alert authorities. Barbarin has denied any attempt to cover up for the alleged abuser and supported as “brave” by Pope Francis. Vignon said Friday he accepts the bishops’ decision and has no regrets about petitioning for the resignation of an influential church leader. “It changes nothing, not an iota,” he said.

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When is it okay to disobey the 6th commandment, and where does it say so in the bible?

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What do you think about this?

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Divine Simplicity

While at work I've been going through deep philosophical tangents on certain Christian doctrines. My work is very repetitive so leads me to spend a lot of time pondering on ideas while I do menial tasks on autopilot since it's so simple. One of which would be the doctrine of divine simplicity and the hypostatic union and what the hypostatic would mean in light of what we know about divine simplicity.

So if I'm not mistaken the belief in divine simplicity is that God is simple and none composit. God's attributes, namely His omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence aren't mere attributes but rather Him themselves. I've come to question this belief as I will show soon. The hypostatic union is the belief that I'm the one body if Christ there were two natures that co-existed fully yet were not merged. Because of this things that were an predicated of Christ's divine nature is all attributed to His human nature even though they aren't predicated of His human nature and the things which are predicated of His human nature are attributed to His divine even if they aren't predicated of His divine nature. This is why Paul can say in 1 Corinthians 2:8:

<None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Now, taking this one step further we run into some issues when it comes to the scholastic definition of God. Anselm described God as that which nothing greater can be conceived but by that logic, Christ ceased to be God while on earth as well as being the fact that the Father is greater than Him (in rank) so anslem again would have conclude that Jesus isn't God.. Also, if we are to unify God's attributes and His essence then we run into issues with such verses as Matthew 24:36 where Christ says:

<But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.

If the Son can not know something then we must conclude that there is no simplicity between God's essence and attributes. If you are to hold to divine simplicity you then have to conclude that Christ was not God.

My position is that what makes God, God is simply His nature. God is greatest by virtue of being God. It is not His attributes or power that make Him the greatest conceivable thing but rather His very nature. And my go to verse would be exodus 3:14:

<God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

I'm honestly looking to see what the rebbutal to this would be. I'm not claiming to even have discovered something new but it's some thoughts that have popped into my mind while thinking and would like to know your opinions.

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I've just wanted to tell everyone on here goodbye. This environment has just become so toxic as of late. There is so much vitriol here and on top of that the mods have been going insane lately. It's just not cool anymore. I love you all, and you will always be in my prayers. Chan culture is just not something for me anymore. I used to be about edgy dark humor but now I have matured a lot. The culture here just doesn't fit Christian charity. The straw that broke the camels back is just the amount of chaos recently, a lot of it having to do with the way the mods are acting and the amount of people getting banned for no reason, myself included. I'm going back to Christian Forums and reviving my old account there. I'll probably also go back to Catholic Answers Forums, I'm not Catholic but I used to have a really active account on there where I used to actually engage and have nice conversations with Catholics. Catholics are great people, but the mods on here are not acting like good Catholics. You can say the people on those forms are "normies", but you know what, that's why they're loving and caring and mature people. Goodbye everybody, I will be praying for you.

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The meaning of original sin

Iv'e always wondered if original sin means that every human has evil inside of them to varying degrees, or that every human is inherently evil and can only become good via the grace of God?

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How do I differentiate intrusive thoughts and what is actually from The Lord?

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joining a church as a neet

how do catholic churches react if you try to join as a man in his mid twenties who doesn't have a job? will i get thrown out and made fun of like in those pastor anderson videos? should i invent a cover story so that it looks like i'm a normal human? please respond

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Father Seraphim Rose, on The Fall of man.

Found a very interesting/Educating lecture by Seraphim Rose on ,Genesis in Light of Orthodox theology/Worldview. Just found this, and i'm still wrapping my head around it. Actually answered a lot of questions for me. Cleared up modern conceptions that many skeptics use to, Strawman The Christian worldview. But it also left me with some questions which, as i've come to find as i go deeper into the adult worldview of Christianity. And it's usually better to question them and work out, a solid worldview in the long run and have an actual answer to it. Is to be expected. But hopefully this also helps some lads. Enjoy.

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What are the implications of this?

“If his sons forsake my law and do not follow my statutes, if they violate my decrees and fail to keep my commands, I will punish their sin with the rod, their iniquity with flogging; but I will not take my love from him, nor will I ever betray my faithfulness.

I will not violate my covenant or alter what my lips have uttered.

Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—and I will not lie to David— that his line will continue forever and his throne endure before me like the sun; it will be established forever like the moon, the faithful witness in the sky.” Psalm 89:30-37

If you read the chapter, it's obviously talking about Christ and those of his covenant. So how does this play a role within the church? Is this proof of purgatory if sin still needs to be cleansed after physical death?

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Based Anderson does it again

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Pope Told Michael Moore Capitalism Is Sin?

And then Pope Francis grabbed my hand and he said, "Please, pray for me." And I said, "I will, and please pray for me. And he said, "No, you have to make more movies."


Michael Moore, the liberal film-maker, told "Late Night" with Seth Meyers that he met the pope two weeks ago and asked him about income inequality:

I went to the weekly audience, and then he asked to speak to me privately. It was an amazing moment, and I asked him if I could ask him a question. And he said, "Yes." And I said, "Do you believe that an economic system that benefits the few, the wealthy at the expense of the many is a sin?" And he said to me, "Si" in Italian. And I said, "So you believe capitalism, the kinda – the capitalism we have now is a sin?" He goes, "Yes, it is." He said, "The poor must always come first." And then he grabbed my hand and he said, "Please, pray for me." And I said, "I will, and please pray for me. And he said, "No, you have to make more movies." And I'm like, "I just wanted a prayer." He's like, "No, you go back to – you go back work." He has a sense of humor.

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>Only a central unifying figure, like the Pope, could prevent a sch-

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We all know God exists from the Leibnizian argument, Aquinas' Five Ways, the double slit experiment, and others. This just shows that there must have been an uncaused causer obviously. How do we then make the jump from this being into what we call God? This omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent being? I've been struggling with this for quite some time now, and I could really use some help.

Pic unrelated.

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UK is forcing a girl to have an abortion with a reporting restriction

Forgive for Leddit, but…


She deleted the post, due to

>On the advice of my solicitor, I've been told to delete all my posts on social media about the case. Thank you for helping.

But here's a screengrab.

So much for "Britain’s commitment to free speech"

As they claimed here: https://archive.fo/7ldNk

And so much for "pro-CHOICE"

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Protestants and Baptists, how do you respond to this?

>Then the fear of the law is chanted, and the grace of the prophets is known, and the faith of the gospels is established, and the tradition of the Apostles is preserved, and the grace of the Church exults; which grace if you grieve not Diognetus 11:6, 130 A.D.

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What are some good Christian Metal bands?

What are some good Christian Metal bands and songs? Post em'.

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Reformation Day 2018

Happy 501st Reformation Day. Amen.

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Saint Serapim of Serov’s Daily Rule of Prayer

Very easy, any Orthodox or even Roman Catholic could do it in less then 3 minutes (from: https://stjohndc.org/en/orthodoxy-foundation/lessons/prayer-rule-st-seraphim-sarov)

>1. When you wake up, make the Sign of the Cross

>2. Go to wherever your prayer closet/Icon corner is and make the sign of the cross, and then say 3 Our Fathers, 3 Hail Marys, and the Nicene Creed

>3. During the day, say the Jesus Prayer quietly to yourself, or if people are around, “Kyrie Eleison” in your head

>4. At night, repeat step 2

>5. When laying in bed, say make the Sign of the Cross and repeat “O Most Holy Theotokos, Have Mercy on Me” until you fall asleep.

Fr. Seraphim said “Keeping this rule, it is possible, to reach Christian perfection, for the three prayers indicated are the foundation of Christianity. The first, as the payer given [to us] by Christ Himself, is the model for all prayers. The second was brought from Heaven by the Archangel to greet the Virgin Mary, the Mother of Our Lord. The Symbol [of our faith] contains in brief all of the salvific dogmas of the Christian Faith.”

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Happy Reformation Day!

Hello to all Protestants. We Orthodox don't like the Papacy either.

You want to be friends?

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Former Atheists/People Who've Lost Faith

Do we have any former atheists or people who've lost faith here? How did you find yourself back into the faith?

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Burial Rites

What are your opinions on burial vs cremation? Why do you feel this way? If you're against cremation, what do you think happens to the cremated? Just curious what everyone thinks about the topic and their church traditions.

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BREAKING: Vatican-China Deal Recognizes Communist Appointed Bishops…

I would make a cartoon showing the pope kneeling and offering the keys of the kingdom of heaven and saying, ‘Now, please recognize me as pope,’


China and the Vatican are set to sign a landmark agreement later this month ending a long struggle between Beijing’s Communist rulers and the pope over who chooses the leaders of Catholicism in the world’s most populous country, according to two people familiar with the matter. Reactions to the deal, which gives both sides a say in appointing the church’s bishops in China, are likely to be sharply divided, with some hailing a diplomatic coup by the Vatican that draws China closer to the West and others warning of an important defeat for the principle of religious freedom. The controversial deal would include the first official recognition by Beijing that the pope is the head of the Catholic Church in China. In return, Pope Francis would formally recognize seven excommunicated Chinese bishops who were appointed by the Communist government without Vatican approval.

“It is a baby step by China toward recognizing some of the framework of the Western world,” said Francesco Sisci, an Italian who teaches international relations at China Renmin University in Beijing. “It doesn’t go as far as recognizing what we in the West call religious freedom but it is a degree of religious autonomy.” Others, including some U.S. diplomats, are concerned the pope is conceding a strong influence over church leadership to an avowedly atheist authoritarian regime. “This is a strange step backward on terrain over which the church has fought, not for centuries but millennia,” said Sandro Magister, a Vatican expert who writes for Italy’s L’Espresso magazine. “The church has managed to free itself from control of sovereigns and governments on ecclesiastical matters such as the naming of bishops, but now this achievement is clamorously contradicted by the agreement with China.”

China’s estimated 10 million Catholics are legally supposed to worship only in churches approved by the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, a state-controlled body not recognized by the Vatican. But many Catholics attend unregistered churches in so-called underground communities led by bishops loyal only to Rome. Beijing is eager for the publicity boost that mending ties with the Vatican would bring, even as the Communist Party prosecutes a systematic campaign to bring Catholicism and all other religions more firmly under its control. A new agreement would allow the pope to veto new nominees for bishops proposed by the Chinese government. Beijing’s major condition for signing has been that the pope recognize the seven Chinese bishops excommunicated by Rome over the years. Critics of the prospective deal have cast it as a capitulation by the Vatican. “I would make a cartoon showing the pope kneeling and offering the keys of the kingdom of heaven and saying, ‘Now, please recognize me as pope,’” Cardinal Joseph Zen, a former bishop of Hong Kong, told an interviewer in March. “The advisers of the pope are giving him advice to renounce his authority.”

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All Saints Day Thread

The All Saints Triduum is approaching (October 31 - November 2). Please make sure you go to Mass on All Saints, it is a holy day of obligation.

Please also pray for all souls in purgatory on November 2nd which is All Souls Day.

Have a great Hallowtide /christian/. Discuss below if you want. :)

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Good job mods

Mods hope you are happy with the environment you created with enforced sectarianism and false flagging. You attacked and banned your actual nonsectarian users calling them sectarian and enforced sectarian hate towards noncatholics and non orthodox. Way to go.

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Are there any good Jewish especially Hellenic Jewish writings made before Jesus Christ came to Earth? I know that Philo of Alexandria was able to come pretty close to true Christianity before Jesus, did anyone else come nearly as close as he did?

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Parents outraged after X-rated drag queen speaks to 11-year-olds at school career day

THORNTON, Colorado, October 26, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – Parents were shocked and angered to discover that an x-rated drag queen showed up to their children’s school last week as part of a career day event.

Zack Sullivan, a 25-year-old man better known as drag queen "Jessica L'Whor," was invited by school administration to give a presentation on Oct. 19 to 11-13-year-old children at Rocky Top Middle School in suburban Denver, without parents' knowledge or consent.

L'Whor has worked for x-rated "uncensored" venues, one which included allowing patrons paying the highest bid to "f*ck up the queens."

“Parents are in an outrage and this is so inappropriate on so many levels,” a parent told CBS4 Denver.

Dozens of parents are now banding together to meet with the Adams County School District 12, commonly known as the Adams 12 Five Star Schools, to stop future visits to the school by drag queens, said parent Jen Payer in an interview with LifeSiteNews.

"I'm appalled that the principal allowed someone to come into our school and have our kids come home and Google who this person is," said Payer. "It's absolutely not okay, not morally or ethically."

In a letter sent to parents Monday after the event, Rocky Top Middle School principal Chelsea Behanna dismissed the furor as being due to objections by only a "handful of people."

But Payer claims many more parents than that are disgusted by what happened.

"There is a large group of parents that is going to go before the board of directors to ensure that this does not happen again," she said.

Adams 12 Five Star Schools communications manager Christina Dahmen also downplayed the issue Wednesday, insisting it is the result of nothing more than having failed to advise the parents of the list of guests for the Rocky Top Speaks event ahead of time.

"The overwhelming response was that parents want to be informed of all speakers - which we agree with as a district," said Dahmen in an interview with LifeSiteNews. "All we heard is that parents wanted to know who was invited … and maybe have a conversation with their child ahead of time."

Not so, said Payer.

Parents of Rocky Top Middle School students were outraged that what they saw as an adult performer, a man cross-dressing in women's clothing, going by the name Jessica L'Whor - which sounds like "whore" - and who has worked at one of Hamburger Mary's LGBT-themed restaurants as the host of drag shows, was invited to be a role model for their children, said Payer.

According to her, drag queens are not age-appropriate for 11-year-olds.

In the mainstream media, Sullivan has repeatedly appeared in full drag with TV hosts and reporters referring to him as "her" and "she" and calling him "Jessica". On Daily Blast Live, he appeared as Jessica for the show's 5th segment and defended his decision to go into the middle school.

"Any drag queen would vouch for the idea of going into any environment that especially has young minds and being able to talk with them, answer questions, and just have conversations with any age group," he said.


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Happy all saints eve anons

Remember today is not about candy or scary costumes it is about remembering and respecting the dead. Have a great Halloween

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Historical Accounts of Jesus Christ.

What would /christian/ deem as their top sources (websites, documentaries, books, etc) on the non-religious historical accounts of Jesus Christ?

My brother chose to do his historical figure essay on Jesus Christ for college and asked me if I knew any good sources. I, myself, struggled with Christianity in the past and fell out of it at a point but have since been snooping around after a renewal interest, so this question struck me as something just as important for me to look into as well. Thanks in advance for any good sources and apologies if this question has already been asked recently.

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Song of songs

Noob Christian here, is the Song of Songs to be interpreted like Bernard de Clairvaux said as in the love of the souls for God and of God for the souls? or of Christ for the Church and the Church for Christ.

Or a literal sense of the desire between a couple being pure in the context of monogamous relationship?

Or none of the above? What do you think about it?

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The truth isnt christlike

>Bring up a question about mary

>butthurt catholics dogpile me

>call one delusional in response

>get banned from discord after being taken to private chat to be lectured by mods who demand apology

>deny the actions of themselves and users

>im the evil sectarian

>well meaning user makes thread about greek

>mods freak out like little girls

>ban them for unknown reason

>keep doubling down on it as more than half their users say its unjust

>mods create new rules to only be applied to noncatholics

>they call other people sectarian

>this much winnie the pooh stupidity

>mods consider their actions christ like

>commiting literal blasphemy

>mods ban any idea they dont like

>random post disappear constantly

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>That zoomer who LARPs as a Catholic Monarchist crusader after playing hours of CK2

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“Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”

‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭9:10‬ ‭

What did he mean by this? Sounds like something a fedora would say. Is the Christian afterlife truly devoid of knowledge and wisdom? I find that hard to believe. Jesus clearly depicts some form of communication in the afterlife in Luke 16. Can someone explain to me how to interpret this verse in a way that doesn’t contradict with Jesus’ view of the afterlife?

Pic unrelated, but very cool looking.

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Poverty in Spirit

What does it mean to be poor in spirit? I have asked the internet and there are all kinds of answers, but none are decently good. Often it becomes a discussion of material goods, and I find that unhelpful.

Would be great if you guys could help because I definitely need it, I feel like I've lost the plot and am straying further, any of your prayers as well as your interpretations would be of assistance.

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ISIS Issues Threats to Pope…

"There is no doubt that if Muslims want to take over Italy, the Islamic State European fighters will have to ally with other militias to fight the Mafia before the conquest of Rome."


An ISIS-supporting media group has issued two assassination threats against Pope Francis in the past several days in what could be a revival of last year's holiday push by the terror group for violence against the Vatican and Catholic Church. The online depictions were released by Al-Abd Al-Faqir, a prolific ISIS media group that this month threatened grenade attacks at music venues. The first poster, released last week, warned "slaves of the Cross" as a masked gunman in a striped polo shirt and khakis is depicted sneaking up behind the pope, who is facing the "wall of death" at Auschwitz.

The newer image this week uses a photo of Pope Francis' July 2016 visit to Auschwitz, adding an assassin wearing an ISIS wristband pointing a handgun at the pontiff. "Don't think you are away from our attacks," says the text on the image. Last November, the ISIS-supporting Wafa' Media Foundation circulated a poster depicting a vehicle moving toward the Vatican with a cache of weapons, vowing "Christmas blood."

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The Old Testament

My dad taught me everything God said in the OT is law unless explicitly overridden in the NT. Yet, I see Christians all over the internet and even on here saying the OT is invalid, not to be followed, or even demonic. Why don't some Christians follow the OT and even feel an extreme hatred for it?

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Is he right?

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Are dogs loyalty and love for their owners an Extension of God's love?

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So I guess Anderson nuked his own channel or all his sermons got taken down

Andersonites finally btfo???

Every single one of his 45+ minute sermons are gone from his channel. I wonder why he would do this. I used to like listening to his older sermons while playing dark souls 2.

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What's are your thoughts and feelings on single serve packaged communion cups? Do they cheapen or make Christianity more accessible?

>one seller of these but different than pic related is:


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Wisdom of Sirach/Ecclesiasticus Chapter 12:4-7

>4 Give to a godly man, but do not help the sinner 5 Do good to a humble man, but do not give to an ungodly man.

Hold back his bread and do not give it to him, lest by it he lord it over you. For you will receive twice as much evil coming back for all the good you did for him. 6 For the Most High also hates sinners and will render punishment on the ungodly. Give to the good man, but do not help the sinner.

Luke 6:27-31

>“But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you. 29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. 31 And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise

Could someone explain the apparent disagreement between Sirach and Jesus? Don't misunderstand my motives for making this thread. I'm not trying to de-legitimize Sirach or say it's not biblical or any other sort of interdenominational shit flinging. I like the book and I'm sure there's a deeper meaning here, I just want to know what that is.

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what are (You) doing for halloween?

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Castlenextflix anti Castlevania/God

Anyone familiar with the games and has seen the show knows something is very very off. At first I thought it was just a season 1 thing but the le science good and le chirstistians are demons theme persisted. And it makes no sense. I’m glad Smash Brothers is keeping the Belmonts using holy powers and weapons. Show doesn’t even have that. How the hell did this happen!?

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Quick question friends, just started reading the bible. I literally know nothing, just dove right in.

I am confused with verses like:

>Matthew 25:21 His lord said to him, “Well done, good and faithful servant; you were faithful over a few things, I will make you ruler over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.”

Does this mean that Matthew literally heard a voice? Or is this his thought process that he is attributing to being implanted by god?

Also, I think it was Ephesians I was reading.. can't remember. But the guy was speaking to a crowd about circumcision for what seemed like an entire chapter, or more. Why is circumcision such an important thing back then? Why would god care if Abraham cut his penis skin? This really takes me out of the bible, I just cant understand it.

pic unrelated

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The Autheticity of the Shroud (and other miracles)

Has anyone ever seriously tried to debunk Joe Nickell and his arguments that the shroud is a forgery? He claimed that the NatGeo article on it wasn't honest.


Aside from the shroud, he has claimed to debunk hundreds of other paranormal/cryptic occurrences, including miracles that are accepted in by the church and even the ones that are recorded in the bible. What's your opinion on this guy, and is it necessary to disprove skeptics like him or are such attempts pointless?

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1950s America - what went wrong?

NY during Easter of 1956

What went wrong /christian/ how did we go from this to where we are now in the matter of a few decades? Is there any way to make the West Christian again?

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RC Sproul is Nestorian

((Some say, “It was the second person of the Trinity Who died.” That would be a mutation within the very being of God)), because when we look at the Trinity we say that the three are one in essence, and that though there are personal distinctions among the persons of the Godhead, those distinctions are not essential in the sense that they are differences in being. Death is something that would involve a change in one’s being.

We (((should shrink in horror from the idea that God actually died on the cross. The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ))). Somehow people tend to think that this lessens the dignity or the value of the substitutionary act, as if we were somehow implicitly denying the deity of Christ. God forbid. It’s the God-man Who dies, but death is something that is experienced only by the human nature, because the divine nature isn’t capable of experiencing death.


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What do you guys think about the NPC Meme?

Why does twitter hate it so much?

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Catholic Alcohol/Liquor

So I was thinking, instead of buying Canadian or American Liquor, which probably funds some commie homo lgbt causes, I should support a country that is more based in general. So after thinking a bit, I was like yeah, how about Poland, right? So I go to the liquor store and look for some Polish vodka. Also while browsing I saw a bottle Absolut with the rainbow fagflag design on it, saying "PRIDE in Diversity". So note to anyone, never buy that liquorgbt nonsense.

Okay so I find a bottle of vodka from Poland, looks alright, and then looking at the back I see "This is CERTIFIED KOSHER". What in tarnation is this kikery? I look again and it's written on another part of the bottle. I drop it like it's hot and go around to another shelf, and find another bottle of Polish Vodka, turn around and AGAIN, KIKERY! Finally I found another bottle of Vodka called Sobieski. I look it up and it's named after the "Last Great King of Poland" who apparently defeated the ottomans and the the Pope hailed him as the savior of Christendom.

I try it out and it's actually the best vodka i've ever had. Extremely smooth! Anyways, does anyone know what's (((going on))) with Polish alcohol? Also does anyone know any other decent alcohol brands to support?

Disclaimer: Please drink responsibly!

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Reminder that the Masoretic text says "the virgin shall conceive"

>Isaiah 7:14 (original Hebrew):יד לָכֵן יִתֵּן אֲדֹנָי הוּא, לָכֶם–אוֹת: הִנֵּה הָעַלְמָה, הָרָה וְיֹלֶדֶת בֵּן, וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ, עִמָּנוּ אֵל

>Isaiah 7:14 (Septuagint): διὰ τοῦτο δώσει κύριος αὐτὸς ὑμῖν σημεῖον ἰδοὺ ἡ παρθένος ἐν γαστρὶ ἕξει καὶ τέξεται υἱόν καὶ καλέσεις τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Εμμανουηλ

>Isaiah 7:14 (Vulgate): propter hoc dabit Dominus ipse vobis signum ecce virgo concipiet et pariet filium et vocabitis nomen eius Emmanuhel.

>Isaiah 7:14 (KJV): Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

A lot of people Jews have criticized the Greek, Latin, and English forms of this verse for saying "παρθένος," "virgo," or "virgin," saying that Christians invented that interpretation of that verse in order to give Jesus an extra "miracle." If you read this verse in the Jewish Publication Society translation of the Tanakh, they translate it

>Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.

Many Jews use this to argue against Christianity, and many Catholics use this to argue against translating Bibles out of the Hebrew (arguing instead for the Latin or Greek, which were themselves translated out of the Hebrew). https://outreachjudaism.org/alma-virgin/ In this article, a Rabbi argues that Almah means young woman, and that Christians mistranslated that verse intentionally.

This is all bunk. almah is a word with multiple meanings, and there are reasons for it to mean virgin in certain usages, including and especially in Isaiah 7:14. Here's a copy of an academic paper that argues for why almah means virgin in Isaiah 7:14

>The etymological meaning of almah is a sexually mature girl. Most of the argument for the point that

almah also means a married woman is based on etymology. This is the basis when anyone says almah means “virgin and non-virgin,” “unmarried and even married” and adds “whether biblical examples can be supplied or not is beside the point.” and when a commentator is praised for “sticking to ‘meaning’ (of word) rather than making concessions to ‘usage.’” But—

>1. Sound exegesis does not base the meaning of a word on its etymology. When a member of our class in Messianic Prophecies argued for the etymological meaning of almah, our Korean, Mr. Oh, asked him, “You say ‘teaspoon.’ Do you drink tea with it?”

>In exegesis we use etymology only as a makeshift in emergencies where usage fails to help us establish a meaning. Etymology and context is all we have to define a hapaxlegomenon. And sometimes we have to resort to etymological meaning when all the available usage fails to give us a satisfactory meaning in a given context. But almah is not an hapaxlegomenon; and there is sufficient usage to establish its meaning in Is 7:14.

>2. The etymology of almah in no way suggests or proves that it means also a married woman. A trained soldier doesn’t mean war. A sexually mature girl doesn’t imply sex relations. The etymology of almah implies a mature virgin and no more.

The paper continues on with every usage of "almah" in the Old Testament and explains why almah means virgin. This is an important thing for every Christian apologist to know, because otherwise we can be tricked by false translations and Jewish scholars. I'm putting the full pdf here so you can read it, I hope this is found to be helpful and edifying for anyone who argues with religious Jews, anyone who has encountered this claim, or is doubting their own faith.

God bless

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Heavy Metal is for faggots

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Genesis V

Let's read the entire bible, one chapter at a time.

Genesis V

1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

12 And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:

14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:

17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:

27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.

30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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Let's Say You Won the Lottery,

This thread isn't about gambling, but if you were in possession of a major winning lottery ticket and cashed it in for a large sum of money how would you spend it? Or if you inheritied a lot of money, or if you were given it by a stranger, I don't care–somehow you got a lot of money. How should you spend it?

I can't find any charities free of corruption and pick cuts and benefits to its employees. Any cause I find, I'd want to take an active part in to be sure its just and effective. Perhaps gaining such riches would become a calling from God to a new life of service.

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Ireland Votes to Overturn Constitutional Ban on Blasphemy…

The decision in a referendum on Friday is the latest signal reflecting the country’s weakening adherence to the Roman Catholic Church


Ireland has voted to remove a reference to blasphemy as a punishable offense from the country’s constitution, paving the way for repeal of a law that criminalizes public utterances judged offensive to religious sensibilities. Official results Saturday showed 65% of voters backed the removal of the blasphemy reference, a similar level of support given to a May proposal to remove a ban on abortion from the constitution, and a 2015 amendment that allowed for same-sex marriage. Minister of Justice Charlie Flanagan said the outcome was “another reflection of the strong public support for a modern, liberal constitution.” Many European countries retain provisions that allow for prosecution, and in some cases imprisonment, for blasphemy offenses. In recent years, prosecutions under blasphemy laws have been used in defense of Islam, as well as Christianity, although convictions are rare and they are increasingly seen as outdated and a limit to freedom of expression. Blasphemy isn’t an offense in the U.S. given the nation’s strong constitutional protection for freedom of speech.

The European Union regards many of these laws as oppressive, and an infringement of the right to free speech. The Irish government cited the legitimacy bestowed on oppressive laws elsewhere as a reason to remove the provision from Ireland’s constitution. “Some countries at the United Nations have quoted Ireland’s Blasphemy laws in Defence of their own repressive regimes,” wrote Mr. Flanagan in a tweet. Some European countries are slowly removing the offense from their penal codes. While the USCIRF report was being compiled, Denmark and Malta repealed their laws, following similar moves by Norway in 2015, the Netherlands in 2012 and England and Wales in 2008. More highly religious countries such as Poland and Greece aren’t expected to remove the offense, while some countries—such as Germany—view their laws as a way of offering protection to Islam and other minority religions at a time of increased hostility to immigrants. On Friday, the European Court of Human Rights upheld a 2011 verdict by an Austrian court that sentenced an unnamed woman to pay a fine for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.

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Genesis VI

Let's read the bible, one chapter at a time.

Genesis VI

1. And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.

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>didn't asked to be created

> created just to suffer and lives miserable life

What did God mean by this?

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Father MalachiMartin

What does /christian/ think of Father Malachi Martin? He makes some bold claims

>Pope John Paul I was murdered by the USSR and Pius XI was murdered by the Italian facist regime

> Giuseppe Siri was elected as pope twice by the colledge of cardinals but declined popeship because the USSR threated to nuke the vatican if he became pope

>Satanic rituals had been practiced in the Vatican and the pedophilia we see in the church is often a part of satanic rites

>1-2% of Catholic priests are practicing satanists who are involved in ritual abuse

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Ok what is this?

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Know what's a heresy.

Hey guys. Wanting some info dumps on all the heresy's you can give a newbie the sit rep about. I've got a few of them marked down that i'll be posting. Also if you can, it'd would be nice if they're Orthodox centered. I noticed especially in Protestant america. You tend to get a wide variety of views. And there usually tends to be loads of Loaded heresies within Certain faiths.

List of Known Heresies i've got Written down just to go over. And incase i'm in discussion with someone, to make sure i'm not falling into a trap.

- Docetists say Jesus was not incarnated in the flesh.

- Arians say Jesus was not God.

- Macedonians say the Holy Spirit, who is the presence of Jesus after His resurrection just as Jesus is the presence of the Father, is not God.

- Nestorians say that Jesus the God and Jesus the man are distinct persons. A variant of this is Iconoclasm.

- Monophysites say that after the union, Jesus only has one nature which is either human-divine or purely divine. A variant of this is Monothelitism.

- Modalists say that Jesus is the Father.

- Filioquists say that Jesus is the cause of the Holy Spirit's being.

- Mormons say that Jesus is not consubstantial with the Father and the Holy Spirit, and is not the creator of the world (and the Father has a body and is not the creator of the world also).

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Discord (?)

If I was to make a discord server for /Christian/ would there be any appeal? Or is there one already? It would be a good way for us to start building a good Christian community online. I mean I know all the denoms bicker with each other.

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CCC 841

1. Are Catholics unitarians?

2. Do Catholics believe Jesus is not God?

If the answer to the above is “no,” as I believe it should be, how can CCC 841 be defended, which states that Muslims “together with us adore the one, merciful God”

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Bible study


Bible Study startomg in ~20 mins aka 1PM CST-US


Lords Prayer

Job 38-40

Peter Kreeft - Faith Works (A Solution)

The Flaming Lips - Shine on Sweet Jesus

Matthew 16

Finding God (Finding Shakespeare) by C.S. Lewis Doodle

Bruce Springsteen - Jesus was an only son

Job 41-42

Lords Prayer

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Bibles for all or bibles for few?

Should everyone have access to a Bible?

The technology wasn't always there until the printing press. Essentially there was only a handful in existence, they were written in Latin, and only a handful of people actually comprehended what it said. (someone please correct me on the specifics and dates of this, but this is the gist of it) The rest of normal every day people and peasants just got secondhand information from these middlemen.

The Word is still difficult for most to understand, and this hierarchy still kind of exists, with the edicts of Catholicism being delivered by interpreters for the scripture for people with basic faith/sin questions. It can be seen on this board.

I can see that men, leaders, and teachers have a responsibility to share what they understand with their discretion.

Can this responsibility be entrusted to individuals?

Pic unrelated.

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Why do some Protestant worship like Catholics with altars, statues and crucifix? Arent these against the point of the Reformation?

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If we are not allowed to have visual imagery of Jesus, what does this mean?

I see many Baptists claiming to have even a crucifix is idolatry. If so, why did the early copies of the New Testament use that same form of imagery?

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Baptist and Early Christian in CONTRADICTION

Baptists: No repentance, just belief on Christ for one second and you are forever saved.

Early 2nd cent Christians:

2 Clement 16.1– 4

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have received no small opportunity to repent, while we have time, let us turn to the God who has called us— that is, while we still have one who receives us. 2For if we renounce these pleasures and conquer our soul by refusing to do its evil desires, we will share in the mercy of Jesus. 3But you know that “the day” of judgment is already coming like a “blazing oven,” and “some of the heavens will be melted,” and the whole earth will be like lead being melted in a fire, and then both the hidden and public works of people will become visible. 4Therefore, merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is good as repentance for sin. Fasting is better than prayer, but merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is better than both, and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Prayer from a good conscience delivers from death. Blessed is everyone who is found full of these things, for merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) lightens the burden of sin.

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have received no small opportunity to repent, while we have time, let us turn to the God who has called us— that is, while we still have one who receives us. 2For if we renounce these pleasures and conquer our soul by refusing to do its evil desires, we will share in the mercy of Jesus. 3But you know that “the day” of judgment is already coming like a “blazing oven,” and “some of the heavens will be melted,” and the whole earth will be like lead being melted in a fire, and then both the hidden and public works of people will become visible. 4Therefore, merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is good as repentance for sin. Fasting is better than prayer, but merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) is better than both, and “love covers a multitude of sins.” Prayer from a good conscience delivers from death. Blessed is everyone who is found full of these things, for merciful practice (ἐλεημοσύνη) lightens the burden of sin.

1Clement 49.2-6

Who is able to describe the bond of God’s love? 3Who is in a position to declare the greatness of its beauty? 4The height to which love leads is indescribable. 5Love binds us to God. Love covers a multitude of sins. Love bears all things. Love is patient in all things. There is nothing vulgar in love, nothing proud. Love has no schism; love does not cause division; love does all things in harmony. Everyone chosen by God has been made perfect in love; without love nothing is pleasing to God. 6In love has the Master received us. On account of the love he had for us, our Lord Jesus Christ gave his blood for us by God’s will— his flesh for our flesh and his life for our life.

Clement of Alexandria:

T herefore, the noble and holy manner of our philanthropy, according to Clement [i.e., the author of 1 Clement], seeks the common good, either by martyrdom or by teaching in deed and word, the latter of which is twofold, unwritten and written. This is love: to love God and to love neighbor. This leads to indescribable heights (cf. 1 Clem. 49.4). Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Pet 4:8). Love bears all things. Love is patient in all things. Love joins us to God. Love does all things in harmony. Everyone chosen by God has been made perfect in love. Without love nothing is pleasing to God. There is no explanation of the perfection of love, it is said. Who is worthy to be found in it, except the one whom God considers worthy (1 Clem. 50.1– 2)? Take, for example, the apostle Paul. “If I give my body,” he says, “but do not have love, I am

a noisy gong or a clanging symbol.” If it is not from an elective disposition, by gnostic love, that I testify, Paul says, but by fear; and if, then, by anticipated reward I rattle my lips to testify to the Lord that I confess the Lord, then I am an ordinary man, ringing out the Lord’s name, but not knowing him. For there is indeed a people that loves with the lips, and there is another that hands over the body to be burned (cf. Isa 29:13). “And if I give away all my possessions,” he says, not according to the principle of affectionate fellowship, but according to the principle of recompense, either from the person who received the benefaction or from the Lord who has promised, “and if I have all faith so as to move mountains,” and repel shadowy passions, and if I am not faithful to the Lord on account of love, “I am nothing,” as one reckoned with and no different from the multitude, especially in comparison with the one who testifies as a gnostic. (Strom. 4.18.111–12)

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OSAS is true. Therefore I AM OMNISCIENT

If OSAS is true, those who are saved must be omniscient. Sounds weird? Dont worry I will explain.

Suppose you are saved, so you make a statement,

"I am Saved".

The statement "I am Saved" only refers to a present moment. It does not say whether 5 years later or 10 years later I would still be Saved. This is because from this point I do not know if something I might go through would cause me to doubt and lose my faith and because I dont know, that will be a possibility down the line and hence whether I continue to be Saved is not an absolute statement of fact given this uncertainty.

Now suppose the OSAS viewpoint, which states that once you are Saved, you will always be Saved. You can even know whether this is so. The problem is, people who claim to be Saved and experience being born again fall away. Sure the OSAS can say they were never truly saved or that one cannot fully know the salvific state of anyone else. But then this lack of knowledge means there is always the possibility that you feel the Spirit and had been born again but you arent saved, as others claim these but fell away. So there is a chance you are deluding yourself. But then the OSAS believer claims you can know if you are OSAS which given the uncertainties laid out entails access to a mode of knowledge where one can be certain and surely assured of being OSAS.

To posit this however, one must know one will NEVER apostasize from God ever. But no one can know this given our limited knowledge as pointed out prior, so the only way for the OSAS believer to know he is OSAS is to literally know every single contingent action that he had, has and will take. He must know every single counterfactual of freedom that he can or will carry out to truly know he is saved. The problem of course, this entails a mode of knowledge only an omniscient being like God hasz who will infallibly know all counterfactuals and contingent action. And so the OSAS believer must claim omniscience to know if he is OSAS

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Galatians destroys OSAS and Steven Anderson

And here's why

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The rot of the Catholic Church has rendered me incapable of considering myself a Christian

How do those still in the faith manage? Common argument is:

>Don’t let bad apples spoil your faith

Yes but Christ’s Church is canonically supposed to be representative of his will on Earth. Why would God allow the Church itself to be an institution of abuse and misconduct?

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Baptist General


John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The Bible Way to Heaven



"King Saul & the Old IFB"


"Feminism in light of the Bible"


"Antichrist Bible Versions"



1 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.

7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.

10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.

14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.

16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.

17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.

20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

22 Bless the Lord, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the Lord, O my soul.

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How do I remember what I learned in the Bible? I just got through Genesis and even though I have most of it remembered right now, I will most likely forget about it as I read on into the countless other pages.

I've been writing down notes, but it will take me forever to write all that I want to remember down from beginning to end of the Bible. I'm not looking to remember each verse specifically, but keep knowledge of all the important events in my head.

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Can Christianity fill the hold of a lack of identity?


Mixed People feel like they don't belong anywhere. They don't know their identity. Can Christianity help and could they just forget racial and ideological identities and just be fullfilled with a religious one?

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Council of Florence-Ferrara

Hi I’m a bit new to all this council business and I was reading about the council of Florence-Ferrara but I don’t fully understand. Why isn’t this council recognised by the orthodox?

It seems to me that they came to agreement.

Sorry if this starts arguments but I honestly don’t understand.

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When Baptists reject Mary as Mother of God.....

When Baptists reject Mary as Mother of God, they deny Chalcedon. And here's why, this is what the core authority of Chalcedon says about Nestorius in "Against Nestorius",

This is what he(Nestorius) said then, when he pronounced the term ‘Theotokos’ unsound as applied to the holy Virgin:

1 ==I(Nestorius) often asked them (that is, those who contradict him), ‘Do you say that the Godhead has been born of the holy Virgin?’== At once they pounce on the phrase, ‘And who,’ they say, ‘is so sick with such a blasphemy as to say that in her who gave birth to the temple, in her was God conceived by the Spirit?’ ==Then when I reply to this, ‘What is wrong, then, about our advising the avoidance of this expression and the acceptance of the common meaning of the two natures?==’ then it seems to them that what we have said is blasphemy. ==Either admit clearly that the Godhead has been born from the blessed Mary==, or if you avoid this expression as blasphemous, why do you say the same things as I do, yet pretend that you are not saying them?18

From:Against Nestorius, quoted from Norman Russell's "Cyril of Alexandria"(pg.132)

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The Great Schism of 2018

The Russian Orthodox Church just excommunicated the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople. What now?

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Genesis 4

Let's read the entire bible, one chapter at a time:

Genesis 4

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

9 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.

13 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

16 And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.

20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.

21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.

22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.

24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

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Waste hauler generates electricity by burning aborted babies

COLUMBUS, Ohio, October 24, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A Baltimore-based medical waste hauler is generating electricity by burning the bodies of aborted children, Created Equal is reporting.

According to an informant outside the Baltimore, Maryland Planned Parenthood, Curtis Bay Energy is receiving, transferring, and burning aborted babies for energy, the pro-life group says.

Curtis Bay Energy and Curtis Bay Medical Waste Services have the same Baltimore address.

Many bio-waste haulers can’t afford their own incinerators, Created Equal said in a statement late last week, and so Curtis Bay is a drop-off site for other medical waste companies that service abortion centers.

According to Curtis Bay’s website, “We manage the largest medical waste incinerator in the US and the only facility in the Northeast Region that utilizes Waste-to-Energy incineration to safely convert infectious/biomedical waste and non-hazardous pharmaceuticals into useful energy.”

“In other words, Curtis Bay Energy, who services much of the east coast, converts aborted babies into electricity for use in households and businesses in the Baltimore, MD area,” Created Equal states.

LifeSiteNews did not hear back on an inquiry to Curtis Bay to confirm specifics of the Created Equal report.

“In third world countries, they throw abandoned babies in mass graves and landfills,” Created Equal National Director Mark Harrington said. “In America we are much more sophisticated but just as barbaric. We kill babies by ‘doctors’ in ‘surgical centers,’ and ‘medical waste’ companies dispose of them by burning them for electricity. It doesn’t get any sicker than this!”

Curtis Bay also says it generates the lowest carbon footprint compared to other waste processing technologies, and boasts “unparalleled” “cradle to grave” services.

Created Equal is asking concerned pro-life supporters to contact Curtis Bay CEO Jack Perko at 443-681-5403 or email him to respectfully inquire into the company’s practice of burning aborted children for energy.

Create Equal has been working to raise awareness for more than two years about medical waste hauling companies collaborating with the abortion industry via its #ProjectWeakLink campaign.


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Was Melchizedek human?

Was Melchizedek a human or a divine figure? A Pastor told me that he believes Melchizedek was actually pre-incarnate Christ. Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls say that Melchizedek was an angelic being who was going to come at the end of time to judge the world. Who was Melchizedek really?

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Are atheists NPCs?

Are atheists NPCs?

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Santa thread

What do you wish for christmas my lovelies?

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Issue of married Catholic priests gains traction…

Opening the priesthood to married men, even in limited and localized places, would open the question of providing financially for the priests' families


VATICAN CITY (AP) — As the Vatican copes with the growing clergy sex abuse scandal and declining number of priests worldwide, it is laying the groundwork to open formal debate on an issue that has long been taboo: opening up the priesthood to married men in parts of the world where clergy are scarce. Pope Francis has convened a meeting of South American bishops next year focusing on the plight of the church in the Amazon, a vast territory served by far too few priests. During that synod, the question of ordaining married men of proven virtue — so-called "viri probati" — is expected to figure on the agenda. This week, a two-hour documentary on Italian television is likely to contribute to the conversation. "The Choice: Priests and Love" profiles more than a dozen men in four European countries who are either living clandestinely with women, have created their own unsanctioned church communities where married priests preside at Mass, or left the Catholic priesthood altogether to marry.

The documentary, to be aired Wednesday on Discovery Italia and previewed to The Associated Press, makes the case that many of these men would gladly return to the priesthood and offer their pastoral services. Their plight has found a sympathetic ear in Francis, who has long expressed a willingness to consider "viri probati" to address pastoral needs in the Amazon. He has also expressed sympathy for priests who have made the anguished choice to leave. Vocatio, an Italian association of these "married priests," wrote Francis earlier this month pledging their solidarity as he copes with the global fallout of the sex abuse scandal, and once again offering their services in ministry. "We would like you to take into consideration — without prejudice or pretense — the opportunity of allowing us an active presence in diocesan activity, given our experience and competence in the sacraments we have lived: ministry and matrimony," the group wrote.

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How many of you are actually not Christians (yet) but interested in or seeking to be?

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Ecumenical Patriarchate Agrees To Recognize Independence Of Ukrainian Church


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Pope says abortion like hiring 'contract killer'…

Pope Francis this year opposed a bill that would have legalized abortion in Argentina


VATICAN CITY (AFP) - Pope Francis on Wednesday compared having an abortion to hiring a "contract killer". "Interrupting a pregnancy is like eliminating someone," Francis said in an address to worshippers in the Vatican. "Getting rid of a human being is like resorting to a contract killer to solve a problem," he added.

"Is it just to resort to a contract killer to solve a problem?" His comments departed from the prepared text for his homily delivered during his weekly audience on Saint Peter's Square. In his address, the Argentine pontiff complained of a "depreciation of human life". He cited wars, exploitation and what he called a culture of wastefulness, as well as abortion. "How can an act that suppresses innocent life be therapeutic, civil or even human?" he asked. Francis this year opposed a bill that would have legalized abortion in Argentina. In August a lay campaign group said thousands of Argentine Catholics had renounced their membership of the church to protest against his opposition to the bill.

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Which is the purest bible that there is? Without jewish lies and accurate translation.

I was raised in a Catholic family, but never properly read the bible of my own accord. After numerous events in my life, i feel drawn now more than ever to read the word of God, but which one should i read?

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Cdl Marx proposes at Youth Synod ‘women in leadership’ as answer to sex abuse crisis

VATICAN CITY, Italy, October 12, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – German Cardinal Reinhard Marx suggested to the Youth Synod in Rome that more women in leadership positions in the Church is the answer to the Church’s sex abuse crisis.

In his October 11 intervention, Marx proposed giving women more leadership roles in the Church, claiming this step would help fight sexual abuse committed by “closed clerical [male] circles” in the Church. While Pope Francis has stated that "clericalism" is the cause of the crisis, evidence from abuse reports suggests that homosexuality in the priesthood as the underlying cause.

Marx’s full speech, which is entirely dedicated to the promotion of the influence of women in the Church, was published in Katholisch.de and translated by LifeSiteNews’ Maike Hickson.

In his speech, Marx, the president of the German Bishops' Conference and archbishop of Munich-Freising, quotes the recently published 2018 MHG Study on sexual abuse in the Catholic Church in Germany. The study was funded by the German bishops.

The study had said in part, “clerical structures and a clerical governance in the Catholic Church” are the main causes of the sex abuse crisis.

“Women in leadership positions in the Church decisively contribute to the breaking up of such closed clerical circles,” Marx said.

Further pointing to the purported problem of a male-dominated Church, Marx added, “The impression that the Church – when it is about power – is finally a Church of men has to be overcome in the Universal Church and also here in the Vatican. Otherwise, young women will not find here no true creative options.”

“It is about time!” Marx concluded in his feminism-touting speech.

Marx, taking part in the Youth Synod by papal invitation, also said this week that priestly celibacy is one factor that could lead to sexual abuse. He conceded late last month to breaking the German Church’s regulations on investigating claims by clerical sexual abuse victims at least two times.

The progressive Marx, also one of Pope Francis’ Council of advisor cardinals, and a proponent of allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion, has also said the German Church is not a subsidiary of Rome .

Marx reminded the Church in his Synod speech that already in 2013 the German bishops had promised to “increase significantly the amount of women in leading positions in the Church that are available for laypeople.”

He also said that the German bishops intended to study further “in theological and pastoral terms the participation of women (as well as laymen in general) in leadership positions.”

The cardinal also reminded his audience of several projects that the German bishops have launched in order to promote women in the Church.

They published in 2015, for example, a document called “To be together Church” which deals with theological questions of women in leading roles in the Church. Moreover, a mentoring program for women has prepared nearly 100 women for leadership positions in the Church.

Additionally, the cardinal pointed to a Day of Study during which the German bishops discussed the gender debate, to include “questions concerning anthropology and sexual morality, the theology of the Sacraments and of the [ecclesial] offices, as well as concerning more equality of the sexes in the Church beyond traditional roles of the sexes and role patterns.”

For Marx, it is not sufficient “to repeat the pertinent magisterial texts” about the dignity of women.

“We have to face the often uncomfortable and impatient questions of the youth about the equality of women also in the Church,” he stated.

For the sake of the Church's “own credibility,” Marx said, she has to give women more participation and leadership, and this “on all levels of the Church, from the parish up to the levels of the diocese, the bishops' conference, and even in the Vatican.”

“We really have to want it and implement it!” Marx insisted.


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Genesis III

Reading the whole bible - one chapter at a time

Genesis III=

1. Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the Lord God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

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Are tattoos sinful? How does the Lord view them?

Obviously putting a goat head on your back is a no go, but what if I wanted something like a tree or a name of a loved one?

My assumption that it might be a bad idea is that we are attempting to make improvements to the Lord's work which is something I wouldn't want to do, but is that statement accurate?

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Steven Anderson is GNOSTIC

Irenaeus contra Gnostic

3. For this purpose, then, he had come that he might win her first, and free her from slavery, while he conferred salvation upon men, by making himself known to them. For since the angels ruled the world ill because each one of them coveted the principal power for himself, he had come to amend matters, and had descended, transfigured and assimilated to powers and principalities and angels, so that he might appear among men to be a man, while yet he was not a man; and that thus he was thought to have suffered in Judæa, when he had not suffered. Moreover, the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of those angels who formed the world; for which reason those who place their trust in him and Helena no longer regarded them, but, as being free, live as they please; for men are saved through his grace, and not on account of their own righteous actions. For such deeds are not righteous in the nature of things, but by mere accident, just as those angels who made the world, have thought fit to constitute them, seeking, by means of such precepts, to bring men into bondage. On this account, he pledged himself that the world should be dissolved, and that those who are his should be freed from the rule of them who made the world.https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.ii.xxiv.html

Anderson Pro Gnostic

The title of my sermon tonight is Once saved always saved. It’s about the eternal security of the believer, the fact that once we get saved there is nothing we can ever do to lose our salvation


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A Hill Worth Dying On?

I'll try to keep this short and paraphrase things.

Graduating from art school in December. Yes, I joined before realizing how horrifically Liberal Universities have become (or more accurately learned the hard way.) Have always been given gruff about portraying the female nude for it's own sake unless it has some sort of uber deep subtext, because according to the Far Left staff there, males who draw female nudes for the sake of beauty are disrespectful sexualizing misogynists. I'm not even talking about soft-porn pin-ups here either, I'm talking tasteful classical style nudity like pic related. Females of course can draw whatever they want because they've been "oppressed for hundreds of years."

Have a tasteful female nude piece I want to display in my senior exhibit. Professor says he does not want it in my show for aforementioned reasons, as well as #MeToo movement, Current Year, etc. Though he said he did not want it in my show, he did not say I could not have it in my show, but I assume there could be repercussions.

So even though this scenario has happened multiple times throughout my college experience, this particular instance is my snapping point. I go home in a rage and literally feel like vid related:


Like I want to post it out of principle to push back against such Marxist garbage.

Or do I?

Do I want to do this out of principle, or out of blind petty pride and wrath? And is this a hill worth dying on in the first place? Or could there be unforeseen repercussions in the future that could bite me in the butt if I act rashly? Should I instead take the path of meekness and humility and just do the show without the piece, and just get this over with and have my creative freedom outside of this institution? Or would I be a sniveling coward, surrendering my principles and putting my tail between my legs in the face of Far Left shenanigans?

I can't believe I'm having to type this out in the first place. In an age of "Piss Christ" and paintings made with menstrual blood, and installations consisting of animal corpses, a man creating art portraying a classical female nude is scandalous and evil. This is how insane it's become. I'm in Bizarro World here.

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SQLite creator crucified after code of conduct warns devs to love God, and not kill, commit adultery


>Open-source database SQLite has told its developers it expects them to follow Christ, love chastity, clothe the naked, and not murder, steal, nor sleep with their colleagues' spouses.

>That's the upshot of a somewhat untypical code of conduct that the widely used project has published online. While most code of conducts take an irreligious approach, urging people to be respectful of others' views and treat everyone nice, SQLite has instead gone for rules drawn up by St Benedict more than 1,500 years ago.

Doing St. Isidore of Seville proud.

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What’s up with drugs?

Why did God put them on this Earth? When you take them, are all the weird dissociative effects real or just in your head (for example, people who say they astral travel on ketamine, is that real or fake)? Are any drugs good in any way, or are all drugs bad?

I’m more asking about natural drugs like weed, shrooms, salvia, ayahuasca, peyote, etc. as opposed to meth or heroin

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Bishops MUST be married.

1 Timothy 3

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

>must be the husband of one wife, having children

Catholics and Orthodox teach the exact opposite.

Also if Peter was the first pope then why did he have a wife?

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Why is only being good not enough to be saved? Why do we need the Church? And why that Church should be the Apostolic churches?

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all orthodox Christians: Mary is Theotokos, godbearer and Mother of God

Baptists: So you say that the Godhead has been born of Mary?

admit clearly that the Godhead has been born from the blessed Mary

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Matthew and judgement

Expectation of the final judgment is a central theme in Matthew, and the function of this motif within the narrative is primarily to inspire moral behavior in light of the coming judgment. The ethical motivation of Matthew’s judgment motif can be seen especially in Jesus’ speeches, where Jesus regularly teaches his disciples to live in the present in light of the reality of hell and the final day of judgment, when the righteous will be separated from the unrighteous (Matt 5:12, 21-30; 6:1-21; 7:13-14, 21-27; 10:40-42; 13:24-30, 36-43, 47-50; 16:27; 18:8-9, 23-35; 19:27-30).

Throughout the narrative of Matthew, the practice of righteousness, including sharing resources with the needy, is grounded in the expectation that everyone will be rewarded or punished at the final judgement based on how they have lived in the present, one example is the parable of talents in The parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30) which

stresses the importance of servants acting responsibly while the “Lord” of the household is away; the servant who is not faithful with the talent entrusted to him has his talent taken away and is thrown into “the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”

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ancient Baptists FOUND

When cathodox says all the early Christians are not Baptists, they are wrong, just look at Aerius during the 4th century

(4) Next he says, “What is the Passover you celebrate? You are giving your allegiance to Jewish fables again. We have no business celebrating the Passover,” he says; “Christ was sacrificed for our Passover.”

4 3,5 Then, after this: “Why do you mention the names of the dead after their deaths (i.e., in the liturgy)? < If > the living prays or has given alms, how will this benefit the dead? If the prayer of the people here has benefited the people there, no one should practice piety or perform good works! He should get some friends any way he wants, either by bribery or by asking friends on his death bed, and they should pray that he may not suffer in the next life, or be held to account for his heinous sins.

3,6 “And there can be no set time for fasting,” he says. ‘These are Jewish customs, and ‘under a yoke of bondage.5 ‘The Law is not made for the righteous, but for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers6 and the rest. If I choose to fast at all, I shall fast of my own accord, on the day of my choice, because of my liberty.” (7) And they therefore make a point of fasting on Sunday instead [of the usual days], and eating on Wednesdays and Fridays. They often fast on Wednesday also, but by their own choice, they say, not by an ordinance.

3,8 And during the days of Passover, while we sleep on the ground, purify ourselves, endure hardships, eat dry bread, pray, watch and fast, performing all the saving < mortifications* > of the holy Passovers, they buy meat and wine early in the morning, stuff their veins, < and > burst out laughing in mockery of those who keep this holy service of the week of the Passover.

From: Epiphanius of Salamis, Panarion 75

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>And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.

>And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

I really wanna see “we’re in the one true church!” memers explain this verse. It seems pretty clear to me that the church of Christ is a spiritual institution, not a physical corporation of members. Why, in light of this passage, do I need to join your special church to follow Jesus?

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Hey Christian, let's read the entire bible. We'll do it one chapter at a time.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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Went to a protestant church today

Sure was great, I really loved how nobody ever worshipped the Bible or ever would worship the Bible. I’ll definitely be going back next week! How was church for you guys?

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Question to prots

(If the mods didn't ban all of you for reasons already, please reply)

Who was saved before year when Martin Luther arrived?

Were members of the Catholic church saved since there was no other alternative to becoming a Christian?

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Pictures with quotes thread

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Young Catholics urge Vatican to issue inclusive LGBT message…

The Vatican took a step in that direction by making a reference to “LGBT” for the first time in its preparatory document heading into the meeting.


VATICAN CITY (AP) — Catholic bishops are entering their final week of debate over hot-button issues facing young Catholics, including how the church should welcome gays and respond to the clerical sex abuse scandal that has discredited many in the church hierarchy. The monthlong synod of bishops ends next Saturday with the adoption by the 260-plus cardinals, bishops and priests of a final document and approval of a separate, shorter letter to the world’s Catholic youth. Some of the youth delegates to the meeting have insisted that the final document express an inclusive message to make LGBT Catholics feel welcome in a church that has often shunned them.

“The youth are talking about it freely and in the language they use, and they are encouraging us ‘Call us, address us this because this is who we are,’” Papua New Guinea Cardinal John Ribat told a press conference Saturday. One of those young people, Yadira Vieyra, who works with migrant families in Chicago, said gays often feel attacked and shunned by the church. “We know that’s not true, any Catholic knows that’s not true,” she said. But she added bishops need to communicate that “the church is here for them.” Catholic church teaching holds that gays should be loved and respected but that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.” Chicago Cardinal Blase Cupich said young people are also demanding accountability and transparency from the church’s leadership, which has been excoriated for having covered-up the abuses of predator priests for decades. He repeated his call, first made in an interview last week with National Catholic Reporter, for bishops to cede their own authority and allow an external process involving lay experts to investigate them when an accusation against them has been made. “Lay people want us to succeed. People want us to get this right,” Cupich said. “Yes, there’s a lot of anger out there. But beneath that anger there’s a sadness. There’s a sadness that the church is better than this, and that we should get this right.”

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I love the whole vaporwave aesthetic, unironically. There's an element of hiraeth to it (also using that word unironically, screw you it's an excellent word) that just feels super right. I also feel like Christwave would be an awesome subversion of it.

Basically, the point of vaporwave is to make you nostalgic for an idealized past that never really existed. There are already movements like fashwave, which I enjoy as well, about subverting that into unironic idealization. I think in the latter camp Christwave could be a strong movement, sort of a memento mori type thing. Weaponize the nostalgia for the past in remembrance of what has happened for us, and what we are forgetting. Anyone else jive with that?

Tl;dr post christwave, all waves accepted as basis but pic related ideal genre

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Why does God made some people handsome and others ugly as winnie the pooh? I just want to have a family, but it's impossible since I have incel bones.

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Being a Christian and an autist

I know some people are going to make fun of me on here, but I know there's a lot of good people on here too, people nice enough to hear about my problems

I've been diagnosed with autism (PDD-NOS, not Apergers to be specific) since I was a child, I've had about 90% of the common symptoms. I went to church constantly as a kid and went to private school, my mom made me pray before dinner and before bed, but the idea of 'God' never really clicked with me, and I later became an atheist.

Only when I grew older did I recognize all my odd and anti-social behaviors were correlated with my autism diagnoses, I reconized just how different my brain was from normal people when it came to stimuli, fear, empathy and social situations just to name a few and recently, from reading articles on autism online, found the correlation between autism and atheism. Take this one for example:


or this


In short, people with autism are 10x less likely to endorse the idea of a 'God', and those who do often picture God as a form of system keeping the universe together (an example the first article stated, would be the entanglement of particles being God). Not only that, but autistic people are less likely to believe events happened for a supernatural or religious reason, and are more likely to rationalize it.

Why? Because autistic people lack the ability to picture the idea of a mind other than theirs. Autistics have a deficiency of Theory of Mind, to understand God as another being. People who feel God's presence - I'm naturally incapable of it or even comprehending it.

So what do I do? I've been a wreck for years and have been trying to find God as a way out, I'm reading through the Bible from Genesis and taking notes to make sure I understand everything, but it doesn't 'click' like I stated earlier. I just don't know what to do.

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Why do people get triggered by salvation by faith alone and the idea that once you are saved, you can never lose your salvation?

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The 501st anniversary of the great reformation is coming up. What are you going to do to celebrate my friends?

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Why are school shooters overwhelms atheists?

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Has Christ brought any of you back from the absolute brink/abyss/extreme degeneracy?

Please tell

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Friends, I have a prediciment. I'm a nondenom, but I'm looking for something more conservitive. I almost went Orthodox or Catholic, but I'm not sure Theologically on a) Mary's importance b) if you leave them it's no bueno.

Thoughts?/Arguments I can see

No war please

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Do you guys think it's important to study our Jewish roots? I feel like many Christians today don't understand that Christianity is the true continuation of Judaism, that it's not an offshoot or a new development. Old Testament Jews could more accurately be called pre-Christ Christians

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Are violent thoughts sinful? how to deal with them

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Jesuit priest James Martin to speak in Atlanta on welcoming LGBT Catholics

Well-known theologian and author the Rev. James Martin will be in Atlanta in October to discuss how the Catholic Church can be more welcoming to the lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transgender communities.

Martin’s topic will be “Building a Bridge: Showing Welcome and Respect in our Parishes to LGBT Catholics.”

The Jesuit priest, whose views standing up for gay Catholics have drawn criticism, will speak at 7 p.m. Oct. 20 at St. Thomas More Catholic Church, 636 W. Ponce de Leon Ave., Decatur; and at 9:30 a.m. Oct. 21 at the Catholic Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, 48 Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, SW, Atlanta.

Martin is editor-at-large at America Magazine and is the best-selling author of “Jesus: A Pilgrimage,” “Seven Last Words,” “The Abbey” and “The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything.”

Atlanta Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory said in a statement in the Georgia Bulletin that he was asked by one of the pastors to invite Martin “to share his perspective on ministry to the LGBTQ community as part of a larger, local parish conversation. I did not hesitate to support that pastor in extending the invitation.”

Gregory said a second parish then asked to host Martin during the same visit.

“Conscious of the considerable misinformation and misunderstanding surrounding Father Martin’s message as it relates to the church’s teaching, I renew my confidence in both the pastors and the presenter,” Gregory said in his statement. “I ask that you please join me in a spirit of respect for the dignity of every person of God as we welcome Father James Martin to the Archdiocese of Atlanta.”

His visit has already drawn controversy. A protest was held recently in front of a Catholic church in Buckhead.

Martin recently spoke at the Vatican’s World Meeting of Families in Dublin, Ireland, on the challenge in Catholic parishes to welcome and show respect to LGBT parishioners and their families.

In a YouTube video of his talk, Martin said meeting that challenge “is where grace abounds.”

Martin said he has heard from LGBT Catholics and their families, who have been made to feel like “lepers.”

According to a 2014 Pew Research Center study, 58 percent of U.S. adult women and 42 percent of adult men who are Catholic say homosexuality should be accepted in the Catholic Church.

Antonio Alonso, director of Catholic Studies at Emory’s Candler School of Theology, said while Pope Francis’ position is more open in welcoming LGBT Catholics, it hasn’t “gone far in changing church teachings in any substantive way.”

Still, the pontiff has emphasized “the love of God as the priority for Catholics in general toward gays and lesbians.”

Attitudes may be changing among U.S. Catholics.

Alonso points to a 2017 Pew study that found two-thirds of Catholics support same-sex marriage, as do a similar share of white mainline Protestants - 68 percent.


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Is the KJV idolatry?

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An Atheist Goes to Church

Good points:

>No-one talked about God or Jesus

>They talked about humanism and inclusivity and the need for diversity

>They welcomed LBGT people

Bad points:

>They talked about things like "faith" and not science

>The 'contemporary' service was too ritualistic

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What Bible does /christian/ recommend?

Hey guys, I just got saved. My pastor gave me a King James Version of the Bible but tbh the old English isn't as comfortable for me to read. I heard there were other versions though, which is the best? Are they in regular English? What's the best Bible?

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Immaculate Conception Question

Immaculate conception is accepted by Catholics, Orthodox, as well as many Lutheran and Anglican denominations.

Most denominations, including Catholics, go further and say that Mary was also free from personal sin.

This doesn't make sense to me.

Jesus was able to redeem our sins on the cross because he, while being fully god, was also fully man and also completely without sin. It's universally accepted Christian doctrine that Jesus was sinless and it was his sinlessness that gave his blood the power to be given in compensation for our sins.

If Mary was free from original sin and also personally sinless, why not just sacrifice her on the cross to redeem mankind? Why do we need Jesus to die on the cross if we already have a perfect human who can die on the cross for our sins?

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Why can't God help me with mine social anxiety?

I'ill be a way better person that now if He cease this hell on my mind.

By eliminating my social anxiety, I will be able to spred his miracle and talk more to people abou Him.

I need to pray more? Have more faith?

I'm not a fully happy people because of this. I just cant understand Why God doesnt help me.

Whats the cost for him to totally erase this shit outta me?

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8chanmania Invitation

/christian/ has been invited to a special sitewide 8chanmania. It's a pro wrestling streaming event based on Fire Pro Wrestling World.

The /v/ thread: >>>/v/15558056

TNA Anon (the guy hosting the event) wants a wrestler by Wednesday. All you have to do is reply to this thread with the wrestler you want to represent the board; once we've decided we will submit our nominee to the thread. The event is this Sunday on /v/.

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What is the Leviathan mentioned in Job 41

>Too large to be pulled up with a fish hook

> Spears and harpoons can't pierce it

>If you lay a hand on it once, you will remember the struggle and never do it again

> People get scared just by looking at it

>has a coat of amour (I'm guessing scales)

> arrows and clubs are useless against it

>it can break iron and bronze like they were straw or rotten wood

>smoke comes out of it's nostrils and flames and sparks come from it's mouth

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Are dragons satanic?

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Is Christianity inherently defeatist?


1. Men are wicked inherently;

2. The world is going to end;

3. There's going to be a great apostasy;

4. Only God can save the world.

Isn't it mere hubris for a movement of men to try to save the world, or at least their nation?