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/christian/pol

>What is this thread?

The designated political discussion thread. Christians from all parts of the political spectrum are encouraged to discuss relevant political topics and ideas, as well as ask questions and hopefully recieve answers from all points of view. Anything related to politics that doesn't actively involve the Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant churches should go here, so if a politics thread is deleted, this thread is the reason why.

As a reminder:

All board rules apply to this thread, so keep things civil.

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Prayer Requests

“But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail. And you, when you have turned back, strengthen your brethren.”

Luke 22:32

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-7

Confess your offences to one another and pray for one another in order to be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective!

James 5:16

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መጽሐፈ ሄኖክ

Has anyone here read the Book of Enoch? What's it like? Can you describe it? Should Christians read it? I know that Jude 1:14-15 quotes 1 Enoch 1:9.

>እነሆም: እሱም አሥር ሺህ ቅዱሳት ናቸው. ለማከናወን በእነርሱም መካከል የሕይወትን ቃል እያስተማረ ዓመት እናርፋለን ኃጢአተኞች እና ክፉ አድራጊዎች ያደረጓቸውን ነገሮች ሁሉ እና በእርሱም ላይ ለተቀመጠው.

>1 Enoch 1:9

>Ἰδοὺ ἦλθεν κύριος ἐν ἁγίαις μυριάσιν αὐτοῦ,

>ποιῆσαι κρίσιν κατὰ πάντων καὶ ἐλέγξαι πάντας τοὺς ἀσεβεῖς περὶ πάντων τῶν ἔργων ἀσεβείας αὐτῶν ὧν ἠσέβησαν καὶ περὶ πάντων τῶν σκληρῶν ὧν ἐλάλησαν κατ’ αὐτοῦ ἁμαρτωλοὶ ἀσεβεῖς.

>Jude 1:14-15

Is the Book of Enoch scripture?

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cath parish burns sodomite flag

LGBT-cross flag once hung over sanctuary of gay parish, now is burned, parish gets threats and warnings from the archdiocese on behalf of gay activists…

Parishioners of Resurrection Parish in Chicago, Illinois, held a rainbow flag-burning event last week, cutting up and setting on fire an LGBT flag that once hung in the sanctuary at the parish's first Mass. The event was originally scheduled for Sept. 29, the Feast of St. Michael and the Archangels, but the Chicago archdiocese — heeding complaints by gay activists — called the pastor, Fr. Paul John Kalchik, and ordered him not to hold the event. A handful of parishioners took things into their own hands and decided they would burn the flag themselves.

Kalchik is a victim of homosexual rape and abuse, once at the age of 11 and again at age 19. He has been pastor of Resurrection Parish for 11 years. He issued a heartfelt plea to Pope Francis in an open letter calling for an end to clerical cover-up. His strongly worded articles and homilies calling for reform in the Church, in particular denouncing the homosexual predation of clerics, has drawn down the ire of Cdl. Blase Cupich and the Chicago archdiocese, who have threatened to remove his priestly faculties and derail his priestly career

This was no regular rainbow flag, but a banner merging the Cross with the rainbow. It was not innocent. It was a signal that this parish would the new "gay" parish, as Fr. Daniel Montalbano's previous church, St. Sebastian, home to gay Masses, had burned down.

It is a shame that he's been told his faculties as a priest might be taken away. It's a shame that we have taken calls from foul-mouthed people who wish him harm. It's a shame he has to start sentences, "If something happens to me … ."

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/chicago-parish-cuts-up-burns-rainbow-flag

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/christian/ banter materializes irl

Protty pastor stands outside Catholic church warning about idolatry, while priest fumes.

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Is Praying to Saints Idolatry?

Is praying to saints idolatry?

The Bible says that prayer is a form of sacrificial offering.

There is also the Lord's Prayer. Jesus says we should pray TO the FATHER. Where in the Bible does it say we should pray TO anyone but GOD?

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What is a christian view of alcohol, and bar culture?

I've always found something about bars and alcohol to be depressing. Obviously there is a wine in church and the bible.

We have a happy hour at work and are not required to attend, but it's one of those things where it would probably look bad to not go.

I probably won't drink anything because I've had some health problems lately which may or may not involve the liver. I just don't really understand why people like going to bars, but it's probably just because I'm autistic.

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How can the Church determine who is a Saint?

The Catholic and Orthodox churches claim that you cannot know for sure if someone is saved. In the end it's all up to God. So how can they determine who is a Saint? Since saints are in heaven.

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NoFap Thread

27 You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 1 Corinthians 6:19

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Galatians 6:8

Post your NoFap successes/woes/prayer requests/ etc.

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ITT: People you hope are in heaven

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MURDER WITHIN THE DIOCESE OF BUFFALO

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1934 Anthropologist: “Sexually Permissive Societies Always Fall”

Published in a highly underrated 1934 book called “Sex and Culture,” the anthropologist J.D. Unwin found a universal correlation between monogamy and a civilization’s “expansive energy.” His aim in the book was to test the Freudian thesis that advanced civilizations were founded upon repression of sexual desire, and a re-channeling of this energy through a defense mechanism Freud called “sublimation.”

>"Sumerian, Greek, Roman, Babylonian, Moorish, Anglo-Saxon, and many other societies, all fell shortly after they abandoned sexual chastity. Sexual permissiveness would cause societies to decline unless and until their sexual mores became more rigid."

>“In human records there is no instance of a society retaining its energy after a complete new generation has inherited a tradition which does not insist on pre-nuptial and post-nuptial continence.”

https://frjohnpeck.com/1934-anthropologist-sexually-permissive-societies-always-fall/

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Christian physical practice

I got roped into a “qigong” class where alongside the teaching of various stretching and balance movements, there was also the teaching of the sorcery known as “qi”.

Yoga is similar in that Hindu spirituality is sometimes found alongside the physical poses.

My question is: is there a similar physical practice compatible with Christianity? Have any saints integrated some kind of physical practice with their spiritual practice?

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Priest Who Dressed Up as Hugh Hefner and Humped a Male Playboy Bunny Apologizes for Some Reason

A Spanish priest got into trouble for dressing up as Hugh Hefner and simulating sex with a male Playboy bunny in a carnival parade.

Juan Carlos Martínez, 40, joined the parade dressed as Hefner, in a smoking jacket and a captain’s cap. Accompanying him were two men in bunny costumes: black one-pieces, stockings, collars, rabbit ears and wigs.

During the parade, one bunny straddled Martínez in an act obviously meant to simulate sex.

According to The Local Es, the 5,000 residents of the small town of Cuntis, Spain (yes, that’s really the town’s name) enjoyed the display.

But the Catholic Church higher-ups didn’t. A senior priest visited the parish to scold Father Martínez. When he arrived, he found that dozens of townsfolk had rallied around Martínez’s home to show support.

For his part, Martínez apologized for the display. “I am so sorry to those who feel offended,” he said from the pulpit.

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Does God help him who used to be a bully and is now suffering? I don't think I deserve to live a normal life. I don't think i deserve to get help. If it got help it would mean i could make friends. But does a man deserve happiness in this life, who caused sadness to many? Must I stop condemning myself?

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Anybody watch Leopirate?

He used to be in Goobergate, but now he's a 7th Day Adventist who BTFOs papists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_1vxrGU0pI

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Married Priests

Orthodox here.

How come the Catholic Church won't let married men be priests? I know that it wasn't that way from the beginning. The epistles speak of the qualifications for elders in the church and one of them is that an elder should be a married man who has good governance of his household. What were the reasons for the change? Wasn't the Apostle Peter and many subsequent Popes married men?

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Why do Christians trust what Paul and Luke wrote 100%?

This is a very big question for me.

I believe there is very strong evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, and that gives a basis for faith in the teaching of Jesus and the gospels that speak about him and his disciples.

But the same Christians do not believe, for example, Mohammad's claims. One big reason is that Mohammad basically claimed a personal revelation that only he received. There could be any number of reasons for that, including epileptic episodes etc.

Now Paul by his own account had a personal experience on the road to Damascus, and it kind of resembles Mohammad's experiences. So that by itself wouldn't be enough to have a leap of faith and say that whatever Paul wrote is therefore true.

Having been investigating this matter for quite some time, all the evidence that I see points away from the conclusion that Paul and the author of Luke/Acts are trustworthy. The reason it is serious is because:

-God said that many Laws are forever (http://biblelaw101.com/Home/The%20Law%20of%20God%20is%20Forever.htm)

-Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount that any Jews who set aside even the smallest commandment and teach others to do so, will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 5:19)

-Rather than saying the Law was powerless to save, Jesus said, "if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments" (see Matthew 19:16–22). And in fact even as Jesus taught about the Son of Man being betrayed to the Gentiles, and will rise on the third day, he didn't say that the Law would be nailed to the cross.

This makes it crucial to ascertain if Paul and Luke are trustworthy, because if they are not, then it's dangerous for a Christian to stop following the Law, just because Paul said so.

To summarize my question: if you draw a graph starting with Jesus, and to his disciples and their disciples, you get Paul and Luke as basically "disconnected" from the graph. Paul claims he got the revelation from his own visions. Luke describes miracles Paul did. Luke endorses Paul. Paul endorses himself. Paul says he won the argument with Peter. There is no account from the disciples Jesus set up, about any of those things. Why do we just assume Paul is right, and his theology is right, and Luke is trustworthy?

Just to prevent simple knee-jerk potential answers to this question:

>Paul is trustworthy because Acts describes him doing miracles The issue here is that Acts is attributed to Luke, a student of Paul. This man also never met Jesus in real life.

>Luke is trustworthy because his details were verified

Being able to correctly name people and places around you doesn't automatically mean the miracle claims are true, how do we know this wasn't just propaganda to boost Paul among the Gentile churches?

>2 Peter 3:16 endorses Paul.

Yes as far as I know this is in fact the ONLY place outside Paul + Luke that Paul is even mentioned by name. However there is a huge problem. Most modern New Testament scholars don't believe 2 Peter was written by Peter. So if your only evidence for Paul's authority outside their own writings is 2 Peter, then that means you are disagreeing with most New Testament scholars. Also, the original Church acceptance was also quite contentious.

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I seem to notice that if a church has a high enough amount of black people in it then it will be a high probability that it either teaches the “prosperity gospel”, tries to guilt trip or twist verses to get more tithes despite 2 Corinthians 9:7, doesn’t teach sermons properly, a “charismatic denomination”, Benny Hinn style touching, “alter calls”, and or video related.

Side Note: It also seems Mexicans can never truly wash off their Catholic influences even when they are Protestants. I remember a Protestant Mexican told me that I should see his pastor as a god and another one has some weird dislike of studying the Bible but loves to do anything a pastor says

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I need to be red-pilled on Hell

I subscribe to the vanilla 'eternal torment' version of Hell, but I know there are other ideas, like annihilationism or that Heaven and Hell are the same place and what not. Is there any reading I should do on this topic?

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Catholic General

NON EST VERA LIBERTAS NISI IN SOLA ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for general Catholic discussion. Mass, readings, rosary - everything that is connected with the faith.

Other denominations welcome, although we politely ask you to keep the arguments about our theological differences in other threads.

Useful links:

Official Vatican website: www.vatican.va

Today's readings: www.ewtn.com/daily-readings/

Papal encyclicals: www.papalencyclicals.net

Catholic encyclopedia online: www.newadvent.org/cathen/

Summa Theologiae of St. Thomas Aquinas online: www.newadvent.org/summa/

How to pray the rosary: www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

Divine Office (liturgy of the hours): www.divineoffice.org/welcome/

Little Office of the Immaculate Conception: www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=1925

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Papal Primacy or Papal Supremacy?

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Am I a bad person? I can't take it.

>snapped at age 11 and became anti social when dad died and from being bullied by all my class

>bullied by class again in highschool (UK)

>see a school counciller for like a month and then dismisses me

>mum didnt want to pick me up from support group for dead parents after school so had to stop attending those

>be bullied by girls

>found reddit and became athiest. Started watching porn.

>be 12 and bullied on school trip to germany

>be bullied on school bus

>be bullied by friends (i did bully my friends too)

>had social anxiety, low self esteem, depression, suicidal thoughs daily and constantly.

>found solace in r9k, porn and anime for obvious reasons. Live a degenerate lifestyle. Masturbate as much as I could. At least twice a day.

>in year 11, all these people i've grown up with for the last 4 years want to be my friend. Completely ignoring what they've done to me. Don't want to do drugs or party or hang out with the normies. My social skills were non existent anyway.

>2 months from leaving i snap in year 11 (aged 16). Be a nihilist. Tell everyone I'm a pedo, that I watch so and so, beastiality, scat, rape, incest. Told a group of girls who asked me if I would rape my mother that I would.

>get in trouble for it. I admit I said it all. I deny that I do watch illegal porn (later found out that I can't do that from google)

> Get an isolation for it (spend a couple of days in a room away from your class).

>teachers act disgusted by me like im a roach (this is a catholic school btw). Threaten to call police.

>they didn't.

>three friends stuck by me because they knew that I wasn't a pedo and just a weirdo. Still friends to this day (3 years later)

Fast foreward today

>converted to catholicism one year later after I went to the lowest of low and thought about turning gay and cross dressing to feel loved and whoring myself out. I cried out to God to save me and ever since then gradually I've been lead to christ.

>unable to make new friends since word travels

>been bullied out of sixth form

>been badly treated by strangers

>priest won't even look me in the eye

>priest refused to shake my hand once.

>a woman refuses to shake my hand in church when we are doing a sign of peace

>reported myself to the police twice in one day and told them that I need to be arrested and I'm a danger to children because I believed that everyone thought I had raped someone when in reality I have no and never had sexual attraction to children nor have I ever abused anyone in my life. I'm a khv. They said I never watched cheese pizza and they weren't notified of what I said in hs. They chalked it up to what I did as a cry for help and what I'm doing now as a cry for help. I genuinely wanted to go to prison because I thought I was a monster. This was right after being bullied out of sixth form by the teachers and students. But since it's my word against theirs and I had just revealed myself to be experiencing an episode i guess they couldnt do anything. I had a mental breakdown.

>never wanted to killmyself because catholic until recently when I realised now that I'm in a new college, the rumours going to reach here.

There's this girl that likes me. It's going to happen again. I can't move away and I was on meds for a while but i wanted off them since they stopped working and it doesn't change the reality that people think I've done horrendous things. I only found out what people thought of me 5 months ago and I reported myself when my mum sent me to the psycharatrist. In sixth form they pretended to be my friend but then bullied me. Also, I think it happened on good friday because one of the girls who was in on the conspiracy against me asked me what day it was and I was confused and then she rebuked me at how I didn't know what day it was even though i was a practicing catholic.

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I'm not trying to troll you guys, and I'm practically sure you won't have any answers for me. But I wanted your opinion: If God knew that sex was bad why did he make us sexual creatures instead of asexual creatures, like bacteria? I guess maybe because there are two parents but one parent seems to be fine for bacteria. Just wanted some thoughts.

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QTDDTOT

Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

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I have symptons of psychosis. This might be a deamon inside of me. How do I get rid of it? Is fasting and 4 rosaries a day enough to get rid of the delusions? I won't hear from the crisis team for a few days and then won't see the psycharatist for at least a week (NHS).

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DEMONIC POSSESION

Hello /Christian/ I am looking for a excorcist in Sweden

Where do I go?

Also i am heavily attacked every evening and in my sleep from Aggressivness to Sexual attacks of which the likes King Saul had What do i do in the meanwhile about these

General Anti Demon thread

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>pro family themes

>Pro second amendment/Home defense themes

>Laurie strode a Christian that prays for a chance to slay evil forces of The Shape

>Halloween portrayed as a satanic holiday

Intentionally or not. Why is horror full of pro-Christian themes? Hell Slasher movies tend to bring up hell and heaven being real and portray sexual immorality in a negative light.

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what caused Christianity to be viewed so negatively in the public eye? most people i know view it as "silly" or "evil", how did we arriive here?

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Who is this "Irish Monk?"

Anyone know? I wanna see what he specifically preserved

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What are your thoughts on William Blake? Do you think his "visions" were real?

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Marijuana?

What are /christian/'s views on marijuana? Is it possible it can further spirituality provided it's used correctly?

Before I was a Christian, I looked into Rastafari a little bit. I sat down with a Rasta preacher and he gave me some marijuana (what he called "the holy herb") and it was actually my first time ever even coming into contact with it. I hit it and within seconds I felt my perceptions change. Right after that he also gave me some hash oil (concentrated THC directly from marijuana). From there my entire perception of the universe changed.

My soul felt like it was deeply connected with the divine, as if I was becoming like roots growing deep into the the heart of the earth, that is how my soul felt in relation to God. He started reading the Bible to me and we began meditating on it and I went to a deeply spiritual place. I had a visual experience when I shut my eyes, and in that moment I felt like what I can only imagine how prophet Ezekiel felt when he saw the Cherubim around the throne of the Most High. I could feel myself traveling through different levels of times and I could feel the presence of the holy angels surrounding my spirit with love. I could see crystal like structures all around me flowing back and forth and I could hear the voices of the angels but it was like oceans.

I did it a few more times after that, and also had more deeply spiritual experiences. I started reading the Bible on my own and eventually found my way to a Tewahedo Church and converted to Christianity there and underwent Trinitarian baptism. It's been a while since I've done marijuana with my Rasta preacher friend (who might become Christian soon he is still studying the Bible and has been talking with my priest) but it really did open my mind and help me connect not only to my own cultural roots but also to my current spiritual roots. Every time I took marijuana I could feel the whole life of the Trinity and Jesus Christ within me.

Of course, there are my own experiences. What about anyone else?

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would you support an african pope?

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I'm Gay, but I'm Not Switching to a Church That Supports Gay Marriage

With so many options for gay Christians, why stick with the Catholic church?

When I became Catholic in 1998, as a college sophomore, I didn't know any other gay Christians. I'd been raised in a kind of pointillist Reform Judaism, almost entirely protected from homophobia; when I realized I was gay it was, if anything, a relief. I thought I finally had an explanation for the persistent sense of difference I'd felt since early childhood. This sheltered upbringing may help explain my sunny undergraduate confidence that even though I knew of literally nobody else who had ever tried to be both unashamedly gay and obediently Catholic, I was totally going to do it. No problem, guys, I got this.

Things look different now. I hope I've learned a few things about the dangers of sophomoric self-confidence: There are times when my relationship with the Catholic Church feels a lot like Margaret Atwood's ferocious little poem,

You fit into me

like a hook into an eye

a fish hook

an open eye

And I've met many other gay or queer or same-sex-attracted Christians, in all flavors of Christianity. I have several friends in same-sex marriages now, including one who had an Episcopalian church wedding with all the trimmings. I also have many friends who, like me, are trying to live in accordance with the historical Christian teaching on chastity, including its prohibition on sex between men or between women. We disagree (sometimes sharply) among ourselves on the best response to the growing cultural acceptance and political success of gay marriage; but before politics and even before culture, our response must be personal.

As Liza Mundy's article "The Gay Guide to Wedded Bliss" showed in the interview with Pastor Delman Coates of Mt. Ennon Baptist, and even more so with the Very Rev. Gary Hall of the National Cathedral, many Christian churches are beginning to integrate gay marriage into their theology. Their preexisting theology—not only on marriage but on creation, embodiment, and Scriptural interpretation—has begun to shift to match the new unisex or gender-neutral model of marriage. With so many more options for gay Christians, why stick with the fishhook? Here is an attempt at my own answer.

The biggest reason I don't just de-pope myself is that I fell in love with the Catholic Church. Very few people just "believe in God" in an abstract way; we convert, or stay Christian, within a particular church and tradition. I didn't switch from atheistic post-Judaism to "belief in God," but to Catholicism: the Incarnation and the Crucifixion, Michelangelo and Wilde, St. Francis and Dorothy Day. I loved the Church's beauty and sensual glamour. I loved her insistence that seemingly irreconcilable needs could both be met in God's overwhelming love: justice and mercy, reason and mystery, a savior who is fully God and also fully human. I even loved her tabloid, gutter-punching side, the way Catholics tend to mix ourselves up in politics and art and pop culture. (I love that side a little less now, but it's necessary.)

I didn't expect to understand every element of the faith. It is a lot bigger than I am. I'm sure there are psychological reasons for my desire to find a God and a Church I could trust entirely: I don't think I have a particularly steady moral compass, for example. I'm better at falling in love than finding my way, more attuned to eros than to ethics. Faith is no escape from the need for personal moral judgment; the Church is meant to form your conscience, not supersede it. There are many things which, if the Catholic Church commanded them, I think would have prevented me from becoming Catholic. (More on this below.) But I do think it was okay to enter the Church without being able to justify all of her teachings on my own.

At the time of my baptism the church's teaching on homosexuality was one of the ones I understood the least. I thoroughly embarrassed myself in a conversation with one of my relatives, who tried to figure out why I was joining this repressive religion. I tried to explain something about how God could give infertile heterosexual couples a baby if He wanted to, and my relative, unsurprisingly, asked why He couldn't give a gay couple a baby. The true answer was that I didn't understand the teaching, but had agreed to accept it as the cost of being Catholic. To receive the Eucharist I had to sign on the dotted line (they make you say, "I believe all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches" when they bring you into the fold), and I longed intensely for the Eucharist, so I figured, everybody has to sacrifice something. God doesn't promise that He'll only ask you for the sacrifices you agree with and understand.

http://web.archive.org/web/20180402005517/https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/05/im-gay-but-im-not-switching-to-a-church-that-supports-gay-marriage/276383/

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Drag Queen Story Hour

https://www.dragqueenstoryhour.org/

Thoughts?

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Is America the whole of Babylon and European Union the beast system?

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What do you think the world religious landscape will look like in the future? What religions will grow and shrink? How will certain religions change? What will be the state of Christianity and its specific denominations?

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Daily reminder to pray for the dead. Help your departed sisters and brothers who are haunting the purgatory.

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“Fr.” Martin proves Francis and the Vatican II Sect endorse homosexuality and “transgenderism”

new MHFM video

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/christian/ Relationship General #7: Mods pls ban yellow fever posts

THE RESPONSIBILITY IS YOURS

As someone who is quite successful in finding a wife, I seek to help my own sanity by keeping all the boohoo no-gf/waifu lamentations to one thread. You can't complain if you don't give it an honest try as anything is possible with God. I found my very own christ-chan, thank the Lord all the more for it, and seek to help you too.

PRIMER

>Become someone worthy of dating

Self esteem is not the pride of life, as we can't ever love someone else if we can't love ourselves as children and representatives of Christ.

>>>/fit/

In relation to the above, you can't be a slob and expect to attract a 10/10, as its indicative of entitlement and egocentrism as you don't have a right to anyone's affection. A strong body requires a strong mind. Learn what your TDEE is, make a goal weight, learn to love skim milk, and do cardio and compound movements biweekly at least. The person who God has for you will appreciate it, encourage it, and join you.

>Be learned and confident in Christian doctrine

Be confident in what the bible says, and what's expected of you. A good marriage minded Christian will quiz you to see if you are legitimate in your beliefs or are just desperate for companionship. Start with the minimum of proverbs, ecclesiastes, and the New Testament. Even at just one chapter a day, this should take you about 10 months to complete.

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHIES

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivity_(philosophy)

We serve the eternal God, who is the very essence of Objectivity by virtue of being the creator who clearly defined the reality in which we live through His intelligent design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asceticism#Christianity

In this reality, we are called to cast aside, as much as possible, whatever seperates us from worshipping and glorifying our Objective God for our salvation via His Son Jesus Christ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism

Only Jesus can save us, but no one else is responsible for us as individuals in accepting Him as our Lord and Savior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honesty

Defined as "fairness and straightforwardness of conduct" and "adherence to the facts." Take an honest assessment of yourself, your desires, faults, and make a plan to reach your desires by minimizing your faults. Reconcile that you will need to be just as honest about what you find to your potential mate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neostoicism

Practicing all of the above will earn us scorn from the lukewarm and heathen alike. We are called as believers to endure the suffering of unjust criticism and the natural difficulties that come with living in a secular world.

INTEL

https://www.christianmingle.com/

>Does it cost money?

free to join, only communicating via the site/app costs money. This can be circumvented somewhat by leaving your full name on your profile and the smart ones will make their cm handle the same as their fb/ig handle.

>Which tier should I get?

3 months tops. You will either find enough suitors to keep you busy, find the one, or you will completely burn out due to lack of success.

https://www.match.com (SECULAR, free to join, claims to have the largest Christian dating pool on the net, proceed with caution and don't answer any of those stupid questions as they will be stalked)

https://www.christiandatingforfree.com (free join/message, qt vault but possible bots)

https://www.catholicmatch.com/ (Mostly for Roman Catholics, maybe you can get away with identifying as "little c"atholic if you aren't a dirty papist.)

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What are some good scholary Bible study videos on YouTube?

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>A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head

Proddies explain yourselves

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I have stage iv colon cancer and I wish to die. I'm so tired of living like this, being a slave to the cancer. I was told by my oncology team I should prepare for the possibility that I'll live the rest of my life in pain, but I don't want this. I'm not sure what I'm looking for by posting this here, maybe I want some vindication for the suffering I'm going through, maybe I want to be told suicide won't send me to hell.

Please, help me.

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Why haven’t Christians and Muslims been more amicable to each other throughout history? Both are counter-Semitic and Muslims have a more favorable view of Jesus and Christianity in general than Jews.

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Your thoughts on Sargon?

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Orthodox - Protestant friendship thread

I'm an Ortho and i am sympathetic to protestants. I like how dedicated they are in Christ, and even though i find some protestant caricatures disturbing (like the gay marriage stuff) i believe that this is not representative for all of them. I also belive they had all the right reasons to chimp out against Catholicism and that they only had good intentions.

Catholics always try to confuse people that we orthos are the same as them just without the p*pe but i believe that we are actually more close with prots.

>inb4 Orthoprot

I was born Orthodox and i've never meet a prot IRL. I just have respect for the first reformers i believe that our protestant brothers have being treated very unfairly on this board so i wanyed to show some love to them.

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The most holy Rosary

Entry note: This is a thread entirely dedicated to the most holy Rosary. No discussions about denomination, no "muh vain repititions", no "muh idolatry/goddess worship" or whatsoever. Discuss your experiences, all things Rosary-related, history, saints and so on and so forth.

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The Rosary. The prayer. The weapon.

Attacked by many - such as the devil and his demons - countless times. Prayed even more often. Consisting of divine prayers like the Angelic Salutation and the Our Father, has it been divinely revealed fully to St. Dominic by the blessed Virgin Mary. Despite the attacks of the devil and his minions has it been preserved through pious men and women, through our holy Mother and even Christ Himself - time and time again was it re-revealed when the faith grew weak and the people of God grew lazy and fell off the faith through tricks of the devil.

A prayer that goes with prayer beads - who are seen by God Himself and the angels, the holy ones as well as the fallen ones, as a sword. A powerful weapon to crush the enemies of God and to cut into the flesh of satan himself.

Will you stand by and neglect it ? Or will you join the ranks of the soldiers of God, armed with the weapon that can convert people as it can destroy evil likewise ?

The Rosary consists of 5 prayers: The Sign of the Cross, the (Apostolic) Creed, the Our Father, the Hail Mary and the Minor Doxology. In private you may add prayers such as the prayer request by our lady of Fatima - the so-called Fatima prayer - the Hail, Holy Queen, Litanies and others.

With every decade of Hail Mary's you meditate a different mystery. There are 4 (in the German-speaking realm 5) sets of mysteries for us to meditate, of which each one consists of 5 mysteries:

The joyful mysteries

The luminous mysteries

The sorrowful mysteries

The glorious mysteries

(The comforting mysteries)

For those not knowing how to pray it yet: https://www.rosarycenter.org/homepage-2/rosary/how-to-pray-the-rosary/

This talk is long and comprehensive and you will learn not only about the history of the Rosary but how satan tried to destroy is, time after time after time after time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwVdYXyxln0

This book of St. Louis Grignion de Montfort is a very comprehensive yet never-exhausted source on the most holy Rosary, THE source for you when it comes to spirituality of the Rosary: http://www.catholictradition.org/Classics/secret-rosary.htm

Praise the Lord ! Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. Amen.

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Does anyone listen to Christian music? I'm a catholic but I find it soothing and helpful spiritually. It focuses my mind on God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XUKNSqS3C8&t=1276s

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"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

What did he mean by this

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Reminder that Being Fat a sin

Friendly reminder gluttony is the symptom of a collapsing degenerate society.

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Screencaps thread

Post your Christian related screencaps from infinitychan and halfchan. Be it informative or fun.

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A fedora told me that God of the Bible is a psychotic schizophrenic. He said that the flood he sent to earth was the worst mass genocide ever. He said God was worse than Hitler for doing this. How do we answer this? Was the flood a genocide? Why was God so cruel?

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Record $27.5 million settlement in NY Catholic child sex abuse case…

News of the settlement came as several US states, worried by a report in August detailing decades of sexual abuse involving more than 300 Catholic priests

http://archive.today/2018.09.19-163657/https://www.yahoo.com/news/record-27-5-mn-settlement-ny-catholic-child-022121292.html?guccounter=1

New York (AFP) - The Catholic church in New York has reached a record $27.5 million settlement with four men who said they were sexually abused as children, attorneys said Tuesday. The Diocese of Brooklyn, one of the city's boroughs, agreed to make the payments to the four, who were sexually abused between 2003 and 2009 by their religion teacher, their lawyers said. The sum breaks down to $6.87 million for each of the victims, who were between the ages of eight and 12 at the time.

Church officials did not immediately comment. But the settlement ends the civil complaint of the four victims, which was to lead to a trial in early 2019, said Rubinowitz. The complaint was filed in 2012. It came after religion teacher Angelo Serrano – now 67 years old – was arrested in 2009 for molesting a child, for which he pleaded guilty in 2011 and was sentenced to fifteen years in prison.

A church priest, also targeted by the complaint, admitted to having seen Serrano one day kiss a child on the mouth, but never addressed the abuse, said another of the lawyers Peter Saghir. "They decided that, rather than risk a trial, that it was time for them to make a payment." According to the website BishopAccountability.org, the previous record for an individual compensation was $3.4 million and was paid to the two victims of Matthew Maiello of New York.

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Orthodox Church: a schism happened?

I've read that Russian Church stopped to commemorate Patriarch Bartolomew of Constantinople during Divine Liturgies

concelebrations with Constantinople's bishops now is prohibited and all dialogue commissions, episcopal assemblies etc. are suspended

this was announced to the press by Metropolite Ilarion (Alfeev)

(I have a source but it's not in english)

these measures are reaction to what is going on in Ukraine

does this constitute a schism?

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Orthodox General

Purpose

This thread is to help all the Orthodox anons on this board to gather their thoughts, uplift each other, share edifying materials, and ask important questions.

Glory be to God in all things.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Useful Links

Ancient Faith Radio: http://www.ancientfaith.com/

OrthodoxWiki: https://orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page

Canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0835/_INDEX.HTM

The Orthodox Church in America: https://oca.org/

Orthodox Christianity (a site that hosts articles predominantly written by clergy): http://orthochristian.com/

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Pope Francis to allow Chinese communists to select bishops in forthcoming Vatican/Beijing deal

ROME, September 18, 2018 (LifeSiteNews) – A deal between the Vatican and Beijing reportedly to be signed by the end of the month signals Rome’s abandonment of China’s Catholics just as the communist regime is brutally cracking down on religious freedom, warn critics.

Under the terms of the “landmark” agreement, Beijing will recognize the Pope as the head of the Catholic Church in China, and the Holy See will give Beijing control over appointing bishops, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported Friday.

The deal could still be derailed by unforeseen circumstances, the WSJ reported.

In the deal, first floated in February, the Vatican will also formally recognize and consecrate seven excommunicated “bishops” the Chinese state appointed to the government-run Catholic Patriotic Church and whom the Vatican rejected at that time.

Moreover, Pope Francis will order two bishops of the underground Church “who have faithfully served for decades under intense persecution, to hand over their dioceses to bishops appointed by the Communist authorities,” notes China expert Steve Mosher.

“Shantou Bishop Zhuang Jianjian has been ordered to retire, a decision that has caused enormous pain to the local Church, while Mindong Bishop Guo Xijin has been told that he will be made an ‘auxiliary’ of the Shantou diocese he has long headed,” Mosher wrote in OnePeterFive.

Bishop Zhuang, who has been imprisoned and tortured by the Chinese government, reportedly burst into tears upon hearing the news in February that he would have to hand over his flock to a schismatic, state-appointed bishop.

Vatican ‘giving up something for nothing’

Mosher, the President of the Population Research Institute, excoriated the agreement.

“From my position as a long-time observer of the machinations of the Chinese Party-State, this seems like a bad deal,” wrote Mosher, the first Westerner to expose the country’s brutal one-child policy in the 1980s, and author of the 2017 Bully of Asia, an analysis of China’s threat to the free world.

“The pope is ceding his very real authority to name bishops to China’s Communist authorities in return for the promise of symbolic recognition as the titular head of all Catholics in China. Might he not be giving up something for nothing?”

Under the deal, the Pope has power to veto Beijing’s proposed candidates for bishops, but Beijing will be able to limit that, Mosher stressed.

He quoted a Chinese source stating in 2016 that if the Pope keeps refusing candidates, “We may have to appoint bishops unapproved by the pontiff after a set number of rounds of negotiations. Such bishops may not be legitimate under the Church doctrine, but they can still give Church services to Chinese Catholics.”

“This means that at the end of the day, it is the communist authorities, and not Pope Francis, who will have the final say over who becomes a bishop in the Chinese Catholic Church,” Mosher observed.

So concerned was Mosher by the proposed agreement he traveled to the Vatican in June to speak to officials, one of whom told him the Holy See’s goal is to avoid schism.

“The problem with this belief is that the Patriotic Church is already in schism,” Mosher wrote then. “In fact, it was to create just such a schism that the Communist Party established the Patriotic church in 1958.”

And given Beijing’s track record, Mosher notes, it’s virtually certain President Xi Jinping will not keep his promises, and he suggests Vatican officials who think he will are naive.

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My girlfriend might be pregnant.

Hey /christian/.

I've been with my girlfriend for about 6 months; we've been fornicating for 4. We've used contraceptives throughout, but she's a week late on her period. Classes start in about a week and we're both starting to get worried. Both of her parents have been clear that she shouldn't have children until after her schooling is finished. My parents feel a similar way.

I know what we've both done is a sin. Neither of us are confirmed within the Catholic Church, though we are on the road to confirmation. I'm just not sure what I should do, or what how to react if our fears are realized. I know that the Church teaches that we should spare the child's life, but I don't know if we can raise it together. I don't know if we're in a position to come out to both our parents and tell them that we're expecting a child.

I'm scared /christian/. More than anything else I've experienced. The uncertainty is killing me.

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So I was advised during confession today to do the pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela. I've never done a pilgrimage before, how and where do I prepare for this spiritually and practically (maps, packing, etc.)? Do I buy a guide book? Can I bring a camera or will that profane the experience? I've spent a year in the army so the walking or sleeping outdoors will not be a problem.

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Doctor in the UK loses his 30 year job for believing that as a Christian gender is assigned at birth

>Dr David Mackereth was fired from his job of being a doctor after 30 years for refusing to acknowledge people’s preferred gender. David says his right to say what he believes is under attack, but transgender model Munroe Bergdorf thinks David needs to accept that society has changed.

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"I lost the entire reason for my existence." How would YOU console this grieving father?

< "As you know, three months ago…, I lost the entire reason for my existence."

He lost his wife and his two daughters, aged 3 and 6 to a murderer.

How would YOU console this grieving father, Christanons?

What words of comfort can you possibly give?

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Comfy Christian-related books/movies to watch?

Can anyone give me some recommendations for either? I'm sort of tired of all the negativity. Would like you have something just nice and wholesome and Christian related (easy on the heresy would be preferred too though). I can't read anything on my phone these days without it being all negative. Loads of this board is just bickering and negativeness. And sure yeah I get that, there's a time and place for it and all. But just would love some nice wholesome Christian reading / books / movies to watch. Contemporary stuff would be better than super old stuff as well.

Thank you and God bless!

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Did you have a Christian upbringing? Do you still hold the faith of your parents?

I was raised a Catholic as a kid, but someone took me to an evangelical church when I was a teenager, and I became a very zealous Protestant. I ended up becoming an atheist some years later, but I still have sympathy for the Catholic church, and consider it a better guardian of the Gospel than the Protestants, since they mostly don't care about the history and traditions of Christianity outside the bible.

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How to prove that Christianity is the right religion to people?

So it's fairly easy to prove the existence of God, but I'm having trouble trying to think of a way to prove that Christianity is the right religion.

Could you help?

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Hypothetical proposition

For the sake of argument, let's we created an AI that analyzed every bible translation, church father, interpretative word of the bible, Christian-theological debate, manuscript, etc. to answer the question of which Christian denomination resembles what the Jesus/apostles had in mind of the church.

If the answer is a different denomination than your own, would you join that church or appeal to emotion/authority then just walk away?

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Loving American Protestants

So i'm a cat, and I can't deny what's true is true. And on this board and elsewhere i've railed against protestants many times. But lately, I really have to say, i've totally fallen in love with (as a prefix american) protestants and just a lot of the culture and stuff. Not the theology, but gosh aren't they just they have the spirit of things in a sense so great. I honestly really love so much about it. I used to think worship music was bad, and well, I really love it now. Even "Here I am Lord", which was written by a cat in seminary is a big worship song and so much more.

This isn't a debate thread or anything, all I can really say is that I really love the energy and I feel that their energy is amazing. Theologically/intellectually I have to disagree of course, but I do believe many of them really love the Lord, and it's amazing. Thanks you guys. I pray for the day we can be one again. Love you all <3

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I Want My Sex Back: Transgender people who regretted changing sex (RT Documentary)

Billy, Rene and Walt were born male, but they all felt uncomfortable with their sex. So they underwent sex reassignment surgery, believing it would end their distressing condition, which is known as gender dysphoria – feeling uncomfortable with your birth sex. However, becoming female only brought problems, disappointment and regret.

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Baptism not needed for salvation.

You do not need to be baptized to be saved. Please keep this thread just about baptism and how it relates to salvation, so not about other works or communion.

There's pretty much only 3 verses I've seen people use to try to say you need to be baptized, I'll debunk all three.

Mark 16:15

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

This verse does not say what happens to a person that belivees and is not baptized, only someone that believes and is baptized and someone that does not believe. Let's say Person A believes and is baptized, Person B believes and is not baptized, and Person C does not believe. According to this verse A goes to Heaven and C goes to Hell, but says nothing about B. According to John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Person A and B go to Heaven and C goes to Hell.

John 3:5

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

They will say being "born of water" is being baptized. No, being born of water is being physically born, and they will usually leave out verse 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." which Jesus compares being born of water with being born of the flesh, and being born of the spirit with being born of the spirit.

1 Peter 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

They will take the part where it says "baptism doth also now save us" and say that proves it, but no, it's "The like figure" that saves us, not baptism. And the like figure is the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ. Colossians 2:12 12 "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

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Unlikely Endurance of Christian Rock…

The genre has been disdained by the church and mocked by secular culture. That just reassured practitioners that they were rebels on a righteous path

http://archive.today/2018.09.19-031042/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/24/the-unlikely-endurance-of-christian-rock

In 1957, less than a year after the end of the Montgomery bus boycott, the Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., took a part-time job as an advice columnist. His employer was Ebony, and his ambit was broad: race relations, marital problems, professional concerns. In the April, 1958, issue, King was asked to address one of the most polarizing issues of the day: rock music. His correspondent was a churchgoing seventeen-year-old with a musical split personality. “I play gospel music and I play rock ’n’ roll,” the letter read. Its author wanted to know whether this habit was objectionable. King’s advice was characteristically firm. Rock and gospel were “totally incompatible,” he explained: “The profound sacred and spiritual meaning of the great music of the church must never be mixed with the transitory quality of rock and roll music.” And he made it clear which he preferred. “The former serves to lift men’s souls to higher levels of reality, and therefore to God,” he wrote. “The latter so often plunges men’s minds into degrading and immoral depths.”

Randall J. Stephens, a religious historian, views the relationship between Christianity and rock and roll as a decades-long argument over American culture, sacred and profane. In “The Devil’s Music,” released last March, Stephens reconsiders the judgments of King and other Christian leaders who viewed rock and roll with alarm. He points out that many pioneering rockers, from Sister Rosetta Tharpe to Jerry Lee Lewis, came out of the Pentecostal Church; for some preachers, he argues, rock and roll was worrisome precisely because its frenetic performances evoked the excesses of Pentecostal worship. In a sermon given in 1957, King, a Baptist, urged his fellow-preachers to move beyond unseemly displays: “We can’t spend all of our time trying to learn how to whoop and holler,” he said. Stephens wants us to think of rock and Christianity not as enemies but as siblings engaged in a family dispute. Rock’s reputation quickly improved: less than a decade later, King’s protégé Andrew Young declared that rock and roll had done “more for integration than the church.” And by the end of the sixties a small but growing number of believers were helping to invent a style that King might have viewed as a contradiction in terms: Christian rock, which became a recognizable genre and, in the decades that followed, a thriving industry. Even so, plenty of religious leaders held fast to King’s belief in the separation of church and rock. In the eighties, as Christian rock bands like Stryper were filling up arenas, Jimmy Swaggart, the televangelist, published a book called “Religious Rock ’n’ Roll: A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing.” And, for secular audiences, Christian rock became an easy punch line. In a 1998 episode of “Seinfeld,” Elaine borrowed her boyfriend’s car and made a horrifying discovery: “All the presets on his radio were Christian rock stations!” The studio audience laughed, and Jerry squinted his disapproval, but George didn’t see what the problem was. “I like Christian rock,” he said. “It’s very positive. It’s not like those real musicians, who think they’re so cool and hip.” A few years later, on “King of the Hill,” Hank Hill, the crusty Texan paterfamilias, confronted a guitar-wielding pastor and delivered an unsparing judgment. “You’re not making Christianity better,” he said. “You’re just making rock and roll worse.”

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Can we talk about these DMT "Demons"?

I've been noticing the patterns of people who indulge in psychedelics, and those who at least try them in a grand scale. One pattern I notice is they almost always believe in reincarnation, and that we're all connected in a sense; in a way, it's almost platonic or far-eastern in thought. Not sure how one comes to this conclusion.

But for one, I have also notice there's always the mention of Jesters/Elves/Aliens/Daemons/Gnomes ect ect. I would assume these are demons? Why would a substance give us the ability to see demons?

Some people such as Terrance Mckenna, and Alan Watts all have done psychedelics, and believe in some form of reincarnation. Joe Rogan in particular mentioned the Jesters in his DMT experiences, i'm not sure if he believes in reincarnation but I wouldn't be surprised, and he isn't the first source that I've heard mention Jesters in a trip.

Of course, I find the Bible mentions such a warning against this, in the verse:

>Galatians 5:19-21

>19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

https://biblehub.com/greek/5331.htm

>pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells

Of course, the term that relates to drug taking, isn't so well translated in most English Bibles, and is translated generally into witchcraft. This would fit the Shamanistic practices.

In conclusion, it just sounds like most of these drugs screw your head up and destroy your spirit. So, are these really demons or a hallucination? And why do so many people come to the conclusion of reincarnation, along with the thought of some God-like ego on the side? Why do they look like clowns/elves? Has any saint or church father touched on this subject?

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Friendly reminder that /pol/ will most likely start shilling for Hinduism after Varg neopagan larping and trump worship becomes too embarrassing to even for them.

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>Tech: linux is kill, CoC ruining everything, botnet, Google being evil

>Film: Capeshit mega movies, forced diversity, creatitively bankrupt, endless remakes

>Videogames: forced diversity, censorship, moving away from gameplay towards cinematic experiences

>Food: estrogen mimics, GMOs, HFCs, various other harmful additives

>Catholic Church

>MSM

>everyone is lonely and autistic

>Faceberg culture

>every song/movie/tvshow is satanic in some way

everything took a turn for the worse. It feels like the end is near.

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Suicide

I wish suicide wasn't a sin

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Atheist Depression

Thoughts?

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What does having a Theocentric view of the world mean, anyways?

I'm not sure if you folks experienced this, but I personally always heard form teachers and other positions that were full of political people about how the french revolution and the illuminati(As in that actual group years ago, not the meme) promoted ANTHROPOCENTRISM and that was very important because it was scientific unlike religion which promoted THEOCENTRISM which was EVIL.

Now this sounds like a bunch of hot air but I've been wondering lately, did Christendom really lose something back there?

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Progress

Have any saints or theologians documented how they overcame sin and attained theosis? Like a step by step process for literal retards to mimic?

Ive read things like Imitation of Christ and some Kierkegaard and The Way of the Pilgrim recently, but my will is still weak…I need something structured and a way to check my progress.

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Why do American Christians feel the desperate need to insist on a 7-day creation?

Why do American Christians feel the desperate need to insist on a 7-day creation like the very foundation of our faith rests on this very debatable notion? And go on to insist that people who reject it are un-Christ-like heathen unworthy of continued association?

So many youtubers, so many pastors, so many church leaders are emphatically devoted to this notion of a literal 7-day creation and a roughly 4,300 year-old earth, and that when problems are presented with this view (why did God create dinosaur bones? why did God make sthttps://8ch.net/christian/catalog.html#ar- or galaxy-light in mid-flight from source to our eyes? what is geology? etc), new fangled scientific "theories" are posited that rely more on science fiction than any reliable facts.

I don't make this thread to attack. I have no issue with the Biblical literalist viewpoint as a stout and defining defence of the Scripture of God which is, undeniably, under relentless attack. I am even perfectly willing to concede that my more fusionist views are plain wrong, that God will correct my view in times to come. I say "Hallelujah!" for I know He will always be right. I am, after all, the second-greatest of sinners, so no thought or postulation of mine is not tempered by or infused with sin. But, I *really* do take exception to this idea that we must excommunicate those who don't believe as WE believe, that anyone who espouses a non literalist view of Genesis 1 & 2 is a heretic and non-Christian.

But, why should I be surprised? I look around at /christian/ still fighting its thousand year-old war over some words about the Spirit, and its 1,700 year-old war over Pastor Jim pbuh. ;-D I kid, I kid. I just love the meme.

I guess what I am lamenting is that while I understand perfectly why there is no peace in the world, infused with sin and discord as it is, I kinda forlornly hope there might be some in the Church. Alas, I guess I have to wait for sin to be purged from us, too, before those days will come. #sadEmoticon

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Meme thread

New meme thread because the old one is autosaging, starting with a request: I need the exploitable 8ch logo, have this crop in return

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Can Australia be saved?

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There's a lot of hatred in my heart /christian/. Particularly towards the state of "israel" and those from that tribe. I was watching a show talking about scams run from tel aviv, where companies call people from other countries and trick them into investing in a scam. They put on fake names, fake personas, and play with your emotions. This is considered a totally legitimate business in the state of "israel" and is also encouraged, because corporations that bring in foreign money are tax-exempt (fun fact.) One of these scam victims in my country took his own life. I was so angry after watching this that I wanted to curse and scream out loud, but there were people around me. Inside I wanted to go out and strangle the first "jew" I saw (among other things). Nothing would make me happier than seeing the state of "israel" punished with God's wrath.

I have made acquaintances with 2 "jews." One of which was not offensive, but he's your typical money-loving, labour-hating, task-delegating degenerate that you'd expect. The other one was a friend of a friend I met at a party. He would joke about how to torment my friend's christian roommate (who was not present) and was constantly using the Lord's name in vain. He was vulgar and had no consideration for others. I wanted to punch this guy in his ugly jewish face but for the sake of my friend's party, I just swallowed it. But that night is when I knew for sure that these people are scum, and possibly less than human. I'm quicker to make peace with a gang member, drug dealer, or ex-murderer than I would a "jew."

Is it wrong for me to feel this hatred? These are enemies of God. If a "jew" turned his back on his satanic practices and beliefs, and accepted Jesus, I would be thrilled. I would no longer hate him. Same goes for Muslims, though I am happy they share the same hatred for "jews" as I do. Are these emotions just the devil egging me on to stop loving my neighbour, or is it justified? I need to know if I should confess this, because I feel no remorse for it. I used to feel hatred for other people, such as edgy atheists, marxists, and the like. But I've come around and realized they are being swayed by satan to do evil. They are simply people on our team, who just don't realize it yet. I will pray for them and confess the unwarranted hatred I used to have for them. "Jews" on the other hand, reject God, and actively torment, prey on, and spit on His followers. They encourage others to turn their backs on everything good, act deceitful for money, and make you apologize for pointing it out.

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How to think about Icons?

"It's just a book, but those WORDS ARE GOD" ~ The Bishop of Tempe

If the physical ink and paper is not God, but the *words* are, as in, the *words* realised in the mind; then what is the relation of icon to whatever it evoke?

t. retard

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OSAS

Is Once Saved Always Saved a thing? I love the doctrine but I don't want to send myself to Hell. Am I being scammed by Pastor A???

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catholics absolutely btfo

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BRAZIL ????????

What’s happening? Are protties rapidly taking over?

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The Christan God

I wasn't raised in any religious setting growing up. I've tried to go to church in my adult life a few times but I have terrible anxiety. I've only left the house like three times this year. I do believe in creationism and obviously recognize judeo-christian values as the building blocks of the first world, but I feel disingenuous attending public worship when I'm not one of them. I can appreciate the Bible as a source of referance for morality in the modern world but nothing more. Could I call myself a Christian? And what would the members of my local church think of me? I acknowledge the same god that they do but just not in name.

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BREAKING: Vatican-China Deal Recognizes Communist Appointed Bishops…

I would make a cartoon showing the pope kneeling and offering the keys of the kingdom of heaven and saying, ‘Now, please recognize me as pope,’

http://archive.today/2018.09.14-131013/https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-and-vatican-to-sign-landmark-deal-over-bishops-1536929831

China and the Vatican are set to sign a landmark agreement later this month ending a long struggle between Beijing’s Communist rulers and the pope over who chooses the leaders of Catholicism in the world’s most populous country, according to two people familiar with the matter. Reactions to the deal, which gives both sides a say in appointing the church’s bishops in China, are likely to be sharply divided, with some hailing a diplomatic coup by the Vatican that draws China closer to the West and others warning of an important defeat for the principle of religious freedom. The controversial deal would include the first official recognition by Beijing that the pope is the head of the Catholic Church in China. In return, Pope Francis would formally recognize seven excommunicated Chinese bishops who were appointed by the Communist government without Vatican approval.

“It is a baby step by China toward recognizing some of the framework of the Western world,” said Francesco Sisci, an Italian who teaches international relations at China Renmin University in Beijing. “It doesn’t go as far as recognizing what we in the West call religious freedom but it is a degree of religious autonomy.” Others, including some U.S. diplomats, are concerned the pope is conceding a strong influence over church leadership to an avowedly atheist authoritarian regime. “This is a strange step backward on terrain over which the church has fought, not for centuries but millennia,” said Sandro Magister, a Vatican expert who writes for Italy’s L’Espresso magazine. “The church has managed to free itself from control of sovereigns and governments on ecclesiastical matters such as the naming of bishops, but now this achievement is clamorously contradicted by the agreement with China.”

China’s estimated 10 million Catholics are legally supposed to worship only in churches approved by the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, a state-controlled body not recognized by the Vatican. But many Catholics attend unregistered churches in so-called underground communities led by bishops loyal only to Rome. Beijing is eager for the publicity boost that mending ties with the Vatican would bring, even as the Communist Party prosecutes a systematic campaign to bring Catholicism and all other religions more firmly under its control. A new agreement would allow the pope to veto new nominees for bishops proposed by the Chinese government. Beijing’s major condition for signing has been that the pope recognize the seven Chinese bishops excommunicated by Rome over the years. Critics of the prospective deal have cast it as a capitulation by the Vatican. “I would make a cartoon showing the pope kneeling and offering the keys of the kingdom of heaven and saying, ‘Now, please recognize me as pope,’” Cardinal Joseph Zen, a former bishop of Hong Kong, told an interviewer in March. “The advisers of the pope are giving him advice to renounce his authority.”

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Guys... Why did we change Mark?

Hey I have a genuine question.

I am not a Muslim troll donot ban me

I know in the original scripture of the Gospel of Mark it said Jesus was resurrected from death, but it never actually details the scenario as such? It just leaves it at him being resurrected, which would have been fine with me.

Even though the other Gospels describe a resurrection, why did we add one in to Mark as well? Who in the Chrch even came up with the resurrection in Mark? and how did they know that was really happened?

Wouldnt it have been more accurate to just leave the Gospel of Mark how it was in the original scripture?

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The Identity of the Antichrist

Hello everyone. I'd like to talk about the Antichrist and why I believe, contrary to a lot of opinions here and on /pol/, that it will not be related to Judaism. Let's begin with the requirements of the Antichrist's arrival.

> The Antichrist will attempt to impersonate Jesus and much of the world will be fooled.

This can't be related to the Jews, because the jews are not much of the world and most people aside from zionist evangelicals don't care about jewish rituals. The Jews simply don't believe Jesus was the Christ, they have no need to imitate Him.

> Then who?

Islam. I hear a lot of talk about Islam being "based" or justified because "hey, they like Jesus too!" however, this can't be further from the truth. Muslims do not like Jesus. They hate our Jesus, the Son of God. What they like is Prophet Isa of the Qur'an, who was never crucified and never died for our sins, and was a mortal man.

> Isa just means Jesus though!

Wrong again. I'm a Lebanese Christian, we call Jesus Rabbu Yassou or just Yassou al-Masih. Muslims call their "jesus" Isa al-Mahdi. Yassou al-Masih and Isa al-Mahdi are two completely different people. Again, Jesus Christ tells us one will come to impersonate Him. Islam has an imitation of Jesus, and over 1.6billion people worldwide believe that this imitation Jesus is the real Mahdi. Thus when "Isa" returns, all muslims will believe it's true, thus, this is the identity of the Antichrist.

> Will imitate Jesus

Yes

> Will be followed by much of the world

Yes

> Will set up a one-world religion

Unlike Judaism, Islam is actually trying to take over all of western Europe. Their religion is by the sword, by the conquest.

This is what pisses me off. People act like we can ally with Islam, but it can never happen. Their religion isn't "just like ours" it's a sick, depraved, violent mockery of Christianity and it is our greatest threat. The jews may be scheming and deceiving, but even they do not wield the power of 1.6billion and an unstoppable Islamist political propaganda machine.

I'm not going to debate about other prophecies or the Mark of the Beast, but I simply believe that the enormous power of Islam and its disgusting mockery truly make it the Antichrist religion. This doesn't mean you have to start worshipping zionist Israel, on the contrary that land belongs to us.

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Is Christmas a pagan holiday?

discuss

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Baptist General

SALVATION

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The Bible Way to Heaven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY

INDEPENDENT FUNDAMENTAL BAPTIST SERMONS

"King Saul & the Old IFB"

https://youtu.be/FIGpF12snU4

"Feminism in light of the Bible"

https://youtu.be/ruFnghl4W6E

"Antichrist Bible Versions"

https://youtu.be/SEXmPB-ksEM

PSALM 23

1 Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name.

2 Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;

5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.

6 The Lord executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed.

7 He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel.

8 The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.

10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.

11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him.

12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the Lord pitieth them that fear him.

14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

15 As for man, his days are as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth.

16 For the wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no more.

17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

19 The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all.

20 Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.

21 Bless ye the Lord, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

22 Bless the Lord, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the Lord, O my soul.

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Why pre-enlightenment christians were so degenerated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-burning

>"It was the custom to burn a basket, barrel, or sack full of live cats, which was hung from a tall mast in the midst of the bonfire; sometimes a fox was burned. The people collected the embers and ashes of the fire and took them home, believing that they brought good luck. The French kings often witnessed these spectacles and even lit the bonfire with their own hands. In 1648 Louis XIV, crowned with a wreath of roses and carrying a bunch of roses in his hand, kindled the fire, danced at it and partook of the banquet afterwards in the town hall. But this was the last occasion when a monarch presided at the midsummer bonfire in Paris. At Metz midsummer fires were lighted with great pomp on the esplanade, and a dozen cats, enclosed in wicker cages, were burned alive in them, to the amusement of the people. Similarly at Gap, in the department of the Hautes-Alpes, cats used to be roasted over the midsummer bonfire."

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Confession to a Priest for Paraphilic Masturbation

How should an ex masturbation addict go about confessing to a priest past messed up and edgy masturbation sessions that happened while being 14-21 years old (escalating then abruptly disappearing) for which they feel extreeeeeeeemely remorseful? How detailed should the confession be? I read somewhere that if the masturbation included graver content, the confession must be more precise. How's the confession process? Can the priest see my face? Can I hide my face from him? Does he wait in the confessional for people to enter or is there first an encounter and dicussion outside before going inside together? Would confessing to a priest that you have no intention to meet ever again far away from where you plan to then attend mass be considered cheating? This is the one and only thing holding me back from embracing a lifetime of faithful weekly mass attendance, religious orthodoxy and sincere devotion…I can't just stay at home and pray the Rosary everyday…I was baptized as a baby but I need to get confirmed and then actively practice the faith…

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It really annoys me when I hear Latins claim Orthodoxy is basically just Roman Catholicism without a Pope. Well my heterodox friends, it's not. Here's a list of your heresies and abuses:

>Papal Supremacy

>Papal Infallibility

>Filioque

>Divine Simplicity

>Transubstantiation

>Original Sin

>Immaculate Conception of Mary

>Created Grace

>Purgatory

>Normalization of Baptism by Pouring

>Delaying Chrismation/Confirmation

>Forcing Priestly Celibacy

>Scholasticism

>Dogmatism

Once Roman Catholics recant of all of these heresies, then you can join the Orthodox Catholic Church once again. For now you're heterodox.

Watch mods delete this

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Roman Catholic Priests Caught Performing Oral Sex Acts In Car…

‘There Are No Tints On The Window’: Miami Beach Police After Two Roman Catholic Priests Caught Performing Sex Act In Car

http://archive.today/2018.09.04-194546/https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/09/04/priests-arrested-miami-beach-sex-acts-in-car/

MIAMI BEACH (CBSMiami) — Two Chicago-area priests were charged Monday with Lewd and Lascivious behavior and Indecent Exposure after being caught performing a sexual act inside a car parked on a Miami Beach street. According to Miami Beach Police, 39-year-old Diego Berrio and 30-year-old Edwin GiraldoCortez were in the front seat of a car performing oral sex.

Police got a 911 call about a lewd and lascivious incident taking place in the 1300 block of Ocean Drive. When officers arrived, the police report states, the two were performing sex acts on each other “in full view of the public passing by on Ocean Drive and the sidewalk.” It was 3:20 in the afternoon.

“Yesterday, we received a call indicating that two men were performing a sex act inside of a car. This is in broad daylight, 13th Street and Ocean Drive. There are no tints on the window,” explained Miami Beach Police spokesman Ernesto Rodriguez. When police arrived, it was still going on. Police said Berrio and GiraldoCortez were so engaged, they didn’t even notice that police were there. “We observed the two males performing the sex act, the officer had to tap on the window to get their attention,” said Rodriguez.

Both men were placed under arrest without incident. The arrest reports state both men are priests from Arlington Heights, Illinois, which is a suburb of Chicago. The address they gave comes back to the Mission San Juan Diego Parish in Arlington Heights.

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America is a cruel godless wasteland

Just a reminder: God has left America and Trump has taken its place.

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Homeschooling

I'm on the fence on this issue. Do you think parents should have the right to not enroll their kids in schools and instill their own values and school curriculum instead? Is it a good way to raise Christian, non degenerate, children or will it just lead to more weirdos and autists?

Would you homeschool your child?

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Does anyone else find amusement in how shitty/laughable atheist arguments are?

<Problem of Evil

God lets evil happen because he allows free will.

<Hitchen's Razor

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, argument from ignorance,

<Russell's Teapot

A man-made teapot floating in space and a being that created the universe is a false equivalency. It is inherently more reasonable to believe in God than the teapot

<Pascal's Wager is Illogical Because Other Gods

If pagan gods existed, they would have destroyed the earth by now due to no one believing in them or respecting them, that eliminates the majority of other gods. Out of the three Abrahamic religions, Christianity is the only one that fulfills all prophecy in the OT (Jesus being the Messiah, etc.) so Judaism is wrong. Islam is wrong because Muhammad's visitation by an angel was private and not public, where as Jesus's mission and death was entirely public and had witnesses.

<B-but Christians eat shellfish and wear mixed clothes!

Old Law of standards fulfilled by Jesus's death, therefore we do not have to do those things for the same reason we do not sacrifice animals.

Any other easy refutations?

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What do christians think of white magic?

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I cannot believe what I am reading.

I do not have any clever one-liners for this. Lord have mercy.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gay-catholic-inside-the-seminary-closet/

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Returning to God after fornication

Wanting to know if any anons are threatened with the temptation of fornication and how to deal with it.

I got involved with someone and fornicated and know she will want to keep meeting up for that, and I feel like I am too weak willed that I will give in and go with the temptation.

It really hit me that I was tearing up all the bonds I had made with God over the past few years from when I was a real mess. I cannot even read apologetics/engage with my faith intellectually for how dishonest I feel. This threat of sin is obviously extremely worrying, as to be abuse the mercy of the Lord is damnation.

If any one has any advice or experience in how to end those sorts of sterile relationships I would greatly appreciate it.

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Why do Muslims call us "cross worshippers" ?

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Halloween is a Christian holiday.

In about a month and a half it'll be Halloween. I just want to remind all of you that contrary to pop history, Halloween is not a pagan holiday, it's a Christian holiday, the eve before All Saints Day, and the beginning of Hallowmas.

The date chosen for All Saints Day (November 1st) was not chosen to supplant the pagan Celtic festival of Shamhain, this date for the feast of All Saints actually originated in the German Church during the 7th century and the Irish Church celebrated the feast of All Saints on April 20th well into the 8th century until Pope Gregory III made the German date for the feast the official date in the west and it featured much more prominently in celebrations in the Holy Roman Empire than it did among the Celts until the 16th century.

Trick-or-treating evolved from guising/souling, a custom that children in England, Scotland, and Ireland would practice during Hallowmas by going door to door in disguises to offer prayers for a deceased person's soul in purgatory in exchange for food or money. Children wore costumes to represent the souls in purgatory, not to scare away demons, fairies, ghouls, ghosts, or trolls. Admittedly when the Irish brought this practice to America many children would threaten and sometimes carry out a pranks against neighbors who didn't take up their offer (hence the phrase "trick-or-treat" and also the origin of Mischief Night being on October 30th) but eventually the phrase became harmless and apart of the tradition.

Jack-o'-lanterns originated from the Irish folktale of Stingy Jack. As the tale goes, Stingy Jack was an awful drunk who enjoyed playing tricks on everyone. One day, he tricked the Devil himself into climbing an apple tree. When the Devil climbed the tree, Jack placed crosses around the tree so the Devil couldn't come down. He made the Devil promise he wouldn't take his soul and when the Devil promised this he let him come down from the tree. Many years later Jack died. He was confronted by St. Peter at the gates of heaven who denied him entry due to his sinful life of drinking. But Jack told him that it was impossible for him to go to hell since the Devil promised never to take his soul. St. Peter traveled to hell to inquire this from the Devil himself and the Devil confirmed this, announcing that he could not cause Jack's soul to be damned. St. Peter informed God about this and God placed Jack's soul in limbo, a dark abyss at a neutral point between heaven and hell where there was neither good nor bad nor pain nor pleasure. Jack asked the Devil if he could help him light the way, so the Devil tossed him a hot coal from hell. Jack had a turnip with him, as it was his favorite food, and he was able to carve it out and place the coal inside to light his way. Jack-o'-lanterns were placed outside to help light Stingy Jack's way during Hallowmas. Eventually when the Irish brought this practice to the Americas they switched to using pumpkins and gourds and other squashes from the original turnips and potatoes.

As we can see, Halloween is a firmly established Christian holiday that all Christians should partake in. There is nothing pagan about it. It is Christian. Have fun with it, pray during this time, especially for the deceased in purgatory, and to the saints in heaven for their intercession. Amen.

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I'm interested in Orthodoxy... But I don't want to upset my mother.

I've recently started going college and there is a nearby orthodox church that interests me, I've been thinking of maybe getting into contact with it, but there is one thing that concerns me.

You see in my family only me and mother are really religious (My Dad is an atheist, and my siblings are irreligious, I don't know if they believe but they don't go mass), we're Catholics. I'm worried that If i attend the Orthodox church, and if I choose to convert, then i'll sort of be abandoning my mother if that makes sense.

So what should i do? Should I not bother going at all for the sake of my mother? Should I go and if I convert keep it a secret? Any advise?

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I'm mostly a porn adict and I'm stuggling to do nofap.

I've found liberating in some sense.

I was looking at a bunch of scientific arguments in favour of it, besides spiritual arguments like sexual alchemy.

I came here to ask if you can still have a lot of sex with your wife or is that also a negative, like if you were masturbating too much?

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If I fornicate once a week does that put me in the category of fornicator and thus banned from heaven? How about once a month or once a year?

>Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

How does this work if you are already saved by faith, and you end up fapping a few times a year or fornicating or visually lusting after women irl? Does that mean you were never saved to begin with (aka you lose your salvation)? Cause I'm pretty sure we're all screwed and going to hell because of our sex drives.

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I got saved!

I just got saved, and i have to say that it's absolutely unbelievable, i repented my sins, and Jesus forgave them. I now have this explainable peace upon me. I've always believed in God, but never had a personal relationship with him. I probably spent years studying theology here without being saved, and it was probably easy to tell that i wasn't saved despite knowing some theology.

I never dreamed God could actually "talk" to me in this way, this is absolutely amazing. Before i was like someone whose spirit was under attack from years of porn and fapping, and now i am like a new person, without flashbacks of my sins, or asking for death.

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Christchan Thread

Post your favorite/rare Christchans. Im also going to be posting a few that need to be colored in, if anybody want to do that.

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Plato or Aristotle?

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>google: "samson + bible"

>pic related

lol wut?

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Believe It Or Not, I Became A Catholic Because Of Gay Pride

I became Catholic because of gay pride.

My husband and I were recently married, and we were building a life together in a new city after his company moved us from New York City to Georgia. I was not looking for church to be a part of that new life. He was raised Catholic, and while not particularly devout, was clear that if we had children they would be raised Catholic. I was less than excited about this. I associated the Catholic Church with droning, dull services and the general oppression of women and other marginalized groups. High on the list of things I can’t stand are boredom and patriarchy.

I was not godless by any means. While not raised in a particular denomination, I got to know God later in life in church basements through a 12-step program after my first marriage fell prey to my ex-husband’s drug and alcohol abuse. I even began attending Sunday services in the East Village with a sober friend of mine and her wife. It was a progressive, non-denominational church with a congregation that ranged from aging, reformed punk rockers to a rainbow of young families to tough, downtown lesbians. There was a heavily tattooed pastor, an amazing band and the kind of slick visuals you’d see at a TED Talk or a Radiohead show.

When things got serious with my future husband, I would sometimes attend Mass with him. He lived and attended church smack in the middle of the Broadway theater district in New York City. Listening to the choir was like having a free ticket to a professional concert, but beyond that, I found Mass to be clinical and impersonal.

I was also uneasy about the lack of diversity I saw around me ― a stark contrast to the throngs of New Yorkers with whom I rode the subway each morning. Nothing about the experience moved me, and if I was going to go to church, it was because I wanted to fill up on grace, not simply to check a box on God’s report card.

When we moved to a new city in the South the problem temporarily solved itself. We were churchless. On weekends, there were so many other important things to do to get settled into our new life — farmers markets, shopping for furniture, figuring out which brunch spot made the best Bloody Mary. No time to look for a church!

Plus, I had a nagging feeling that if we hadn’t found a Catholic church in New York City that felt inclusive enough for me, there was no way that was happening in the South. I told my husband I couldn’t see myself embracing any place that didn’t openly welcome my gay and lesbian friends.

A friend told me about her newly formed non-denominational church, which sounded a lot like my East Village joint back in New York. She talked about the band and the hip, young pastor who lit a fire in you with his words. I told my husband all about it one day as we walked through the Gay Pride Festival in the park near our house. Then I spotted a booth with a banner for that very church.

“There it is!” I said excitedly. “And they’re handing out organic popsicles!”

We talked for a few minutes with the people at the booth and left with a glossy folder of information and some killer popsicles.

“What did you think?” I asked my husband.

He shrugged. “It seems cool. But they’re not Catholic.”

“Well then, where are the Catholics?” Annoyed, I flung my arms out toward the booths of Methodists, Lutherans, Episcopalians and synagogues.

He was silent as we rounded the corner.

“Heyyyy girl!”

And there they were. Decked out in rainbow T-shirts, the members of Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, a downtown Atlanta Catholic church, waved and smiled at us. We had a warm power chat, and they sent us off with bedazzled fridge magnets, T-shirts and our promise to check out Mass the next day. The church was only 2 miles from our house.

The next morning, we parked on an empty street in the hollowed out downtown neighborhood known mostly for its homeless shelters and decrepit government buildings. The church soared proudly upward in the midst of the decay. Inside, we encountered a packed house and a dull roar of pleasantries as people hugged and greeted each other in the pews. Nearly half the congregation wore rainbow T-shirts emblazoned with the name of the church. In the still-informally segregated South, it was the most mixed group I had seen — people of every race, young and old, gay and straight. Our pew alone felt like a New York City subway car (minus the smell).

The priest, a genial Santa Claus type, spoke passionately about Jesus’ love for all people. He closed by reminding those who planned to march in the Pride parade after church to wear their T-shirts and noting that the next LGBTQ church potluck was taking place next Friday. The choir nearly blew the roof off with a rousing spiritual that had everyone clapping and dancing in the pews. As the Mass ended, the priest and the deacons threw off their robes to reveal their own rainbow T-shirts and marched proudly down the aisle to wild applause.

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Lutheran here, how do I join a monastery?

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Is trolling a sin?

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Questions on Christianity

Hello, let me preface this in saying I am not trying to make an attack on Christianity, but merely trying to understand it more. Christianity is foreign to me, being raised in a Secular household, I have attended church 4 times in my life. I have read the Bible and have lightly studied its history, but it still seems very foreign. So let me begin:

>To what extent should one take self sacrifice and forgiveness? More specifically, how should I interpret Luke 6:21-38 How can I apply this to my daily life?

>Can the altruism that is mentioned above coexist with the warrior? How should I interpret Mathew 10:34?

I have always seen these two passages as conflicting, could I interpret it as being a just warrior who is merciful to all those who submit to their higher nature and the Lord.

>Can I interpret Genesis and most of the old testament as metaphoric for our evolution? Can I believe in evolution and be true Christian?

>Is idolatry simply to be interpreted as not worshiping the image of the Lord or is it making any image of the Lord in any of his form?

>As for the morality and its rules, I do not buy condemning an action, but rather its motive. For instance murder, in war and when fighting for a just cause it would be acceptable, but when done with revenge and hatred in one's heart in a normal circumstance unacceptable. Would it not be purer to apply Christian beliefs to motive and see that as a guide for action rather than any action within it self? Or is this not compatible? I find some of the laws of the old testament obsolete and strange and see loose ideas that I like but I see many of them too specific. I do understand that most actions condemned, however, typically do not have a place in day-to-day life.

>What is the purpose of worship and baptism? I like it, but why is it so essential?

>Also, -and this is likely a misinterpretation- but as I understand, the world is corrupt, but it is also God's creation, can I admire the beauty of the world even with its corruption? Can I admire even the decay to a degree and that it helps make things what they are to a degree? Or is it unchristian to take interest in any such things and studying them is simply the temptation of the Devil. Essentially is it unchristian to try and understand the Devil and his ways? I am not saying act on these things, I am primarily saying this in reference to art and literature which could, promote anti-christian themes. I would try and understand them and adopt which parts of them are not sinful. Essentially not avoiding the Devil in entirety.

Thank you for your time, I apologize if any of this was offensive, (that was unintentional, I am relatively ignorant to Christian doctrine) if it this was incoherent, or if I should have posted this somewhere else. Thank you for your response as well if you choose to do so.

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The Gay question

Is it mental illness or a choice?

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I spent half the summer at a monastery

I had the opportunity to spend some time at a monastery over the summer and took it.

I have to say it was I read about monasticism here and in other places and it was nothing like that. Most people over romanticize it.

If you have any questions feel free to ask

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College Help

So I'm going college this Saturday. What's the best advise that you brothers give me to keep on the Christian path. It's pretty well known that college is very left leaning, atheistic, filled with fornication and intoxication etc etc, so I just want to know whats the best way to deal with all these temptations.

I'm also really sacred to be moving out and leaving my family and my dog, any advise on dealing with this would help.

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Reasons why im not a catholic

1)I see it as destructive and looking at its history with the crusades and inquisition, hard to believe it's the church of God

2)intercesory prayers. I've heard all of your arguments but sitting down, closing my eyes and asking for help from someone other than God Himself is freaky to me.

3) Catholics themselves. Whenever I get into a debate with you guys and you and then you try to 'get me' with the "that's just your fallible interpretation" argument. It doesn't even convince me but pisses me off. It just shows that you can't defend your beliefs biblically so you use these tricks.

4)Your apostolic succession. I get what you're saying but I feel like it really has no meaning when the church can make up whatever it wants and as long as it's a part of this apostolic succession, no matter how far removed it is from the apostles or apostolic faith, it has validity because the 'infallible' magisterium says so just seems meaningless.

5)when I read the bible it's just so hard to think this is what Christ, the apostles and Paul wanted the church to look like. Like, I imagine that if you got Paul, zapped him to today, or for you sedes the years before v2 happened, I think think he would freak out. He would be like "what religion is this?

6)I feel like you have taken a lot of focus away from Christ with the devotion to the saints, indulgences and youre, what seems to me to be, innovative prayer methods like the sacred heart. Like, what even is that?

If you guys could answer this, and please be charitable, I would consider becoming a Catholic or even an eastern orthodox. I'm leaning more on eo but who knows.

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What are some good Christian videogames?

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Masoretic versus Septuagint

Can anyone fill me in on the basics of this debate? I've heard that the Masoretic is the translation of the Septuagint which is a translation of some lost original, at least when it comes to some books of the Bible. Is that true? I'm also aware that there are lines missing in the Masoretic that are only found in the Septuagint. I guess one of the main reasons that I feel compelled to look into this issue is because of Isaiah 45:7 in which the Masoretic suggests that God creates evil whereas the Septuagint, if I understand correctly, says that God creates calamity. But that isn't the only reason I am interested in this so please let's not make the whole thread about Isaiah 45:7.

Also PLEASE if anyone can recommed a good book that goes into this topic.

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Hello /christian/

Is Erotic roleplaying online a sin?

I ask not because I'm a christian, but because some whom I've got to know personally through erotic roleplay have identified themselves as christian. A very high number actually. It seems like it would be against the spirit of the scriptures but maybe I'm wrong.

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>Emperor of endless night, come to us with all your might

>Ancient demon show your wrath, we follow thee on left hands path

What did they mean by this?

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Do you have any Christian beliefs that could potentially get you in trouble or are plain unusual for modern norms?

For me, I think that the "breath of life" in Genesis is a reference to the Holy spirit, Who temporarily left humanity after Adam sinned. This makes so much sense to me in light of the fallen nature of man, the law and the NT.

The Hebrews in Exodus were the hyksos, who were enslaved because they started to infiltrate the Egyptian government and the native people fought back.

Water baptism doesn't save anyone in itself, it's rather an initiation of entering the church which is part of salvation.

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No SIG thread?

Sure we got /nofap/ and /relationship/ threads but there are not threads for workout, recommended reading and self-improvement related stuff.

How are you guys doing/what are you reading right now and what's your recommended reading list?

Post anything SIG(Self-improvement general) related.

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Christian Political Leaders

I think Putin is the only real one

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What are the good arguments against orthodoxy ?

in history, theology, discipline ? Is this corrupted like the catholic church nowadays ? What are some problems in the spirituality of the average orthobro ?

I'm not an orthodox hater, maybe I want to convert, but I need to know what to expect, if there is a bad surprise.

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SAINTS

Who are some of your favourites and why?

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I challenge you to answer this:

Why shouldn't we give away all that we have, minus that which we need to survive?

Morally, and I would argue biblically, it is your godly obligation to give away all the excess money (again, meaning anything more than what you need to live) to the poor. Tell, me, is this true? And if so, how does this not conflict with conservatism and our consumerist lifestyles?

Hard mode without using these arguments:

- Because wealth is ok so long as we use it in godly ways (not a refutation, and no one does this)

-Because (((in context))) Jesus never says to give away all your money (spoilers He does)

- Because there were rich people in the Bible that were also holy (if so, how??? explain)

I will repost every day until someone can give me a good answer. It's eating me up!

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Favorite Bible Translation?

Thoughts on the CSB translation? Thinking about picking one up. Is it slanted too much towards Protestant interpretation like the KJV?

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Daily Routine Thread

>not doing the mark wahlberg catholic cryowarrior routine

What's your routine, /christian/?

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Do you think science will ever independently confirm Christianity?

I was at the bookstore and saw a lot of people’s attempts to secularize the notion of an afterlife using a lot of theoretical physics babble or some such.

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Mystery Babylon

So who's mystery babylon?

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This was what it was all about

UKRAINIAN GOV’T POSTS PETITION TO TAKE KIEV CAVES LAVRA AWAY FROM UKRAINIAN CHURCH

The negative effects of the Ecumenical Patriarchate’s incursion into Ukrainian Church territory and its declared intentions to grant autocephaly at the request of Ukrainian politicians and schismatics are already being felt.

Now that Constantinople has appointed exarch bishops in Kiev, the Ukrainian government has again raised the issue of taking the Kiev Caves Lavra away from the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. A petition has been registered and hosted on the website of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers demanding to cancel the transferal of the Kiev Caves Lavra to the free use of the Church, which took place in July, 2013, reports the Union of Orthodox Journalists.

The petition, filed on Monday, demands “the cancelation of order № 519-р of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers on July 11, 2013 on the transfer of 79 buildings and structures of the Holy Dormition-Kiev Caves Lavra (men’s monastery) to the free use of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, and to return the buildings and structures to state ownership.”

As of this morning, the petition has gathered 1,695 of the necessary 25,000 signatures.

In April, Ukrainian radicals also called for the state to cancel the 2003 transfer of the Pochaev Lavra to the Church. The various radical groups also continuously harass and intimidate the deputies of the Pochaev city council to prevent it from allocating a plot of land to the Lavra to be used to build housing for the brethren of the monastery.

“Patriarch” Philaret Denisenko of the schismatic “Kiev Patriarchate,” who dreams of becoming the patriarch of a united autocephalous Ukrainian Church, has repeatedly stated that the Kiev Caves and Pochaev Lavras should be transferred to his jurisdiction. He and his nationalist backers claim the canonical Ukrainian Church of the Moscow Patriarchate is a danger to Ukrainian national security.

The Union of Orthodox Journalists also reported on Monday that Philaret had met with the acting director of Kiev Caves Lavra Museum-Reserve Alexander Rudnik, demanding to transfer the 19th building to the “Kiev Patriarchate.” He insisted that it be done soon.

http://orthochristian.com/115736.html

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Are animals grieving over the deaths of people who took care of them prove they have souls or at least a Devine Conscience? Why would God gave animals the ability to love if Are they soulless? Video related. It heartwarming.

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So, since statues in catholicism aren't meant to be worshiped, are they just decorations?

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There's a Jewish calendar, it's lunisolar. There's an Islamic calendar, it's lunar. Is there a Christian calendar? Wouldn't it just be the civil calendar then? Would that make it a solar calendar except when Easter comes around? So a Solilunar calendar?

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What English Bible To Read

I want to read the bible in its entirety, but don't know which one to choose. My church uses NRSV but I've heard that it's simplified in ways that could take away from poetic and allegorical value. I've read portions of it but want to hear some input from others before diving in. The apocrypha would be interesting too but I'm not sure whether or not they should be included as scripture.

On the same note, any notes on order of reading? I had been planning on reading from Genesis forwards.

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So many protestant denominations

but which ones are the good ones? Especially in countries with state churches like Germany, who top-down enforced female priesthood, blessings of homosexual partnerships and other heresies.

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Baptism

Question, why do you christians need to slam dunk a baby in water?

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Explain confession to a protestant

So since I'm a dumdum protestant, I don't agree with most of the specifically Catholic beliefs, but confession (at least what I see of it in movies and other media) seems like a good thing to do. Not that confessing your sins to some guy will give you forgiveness, but the idea of saying them just to come clean about things seems healthy to me and doing so to the priest sounds like a convenient place to do so. So could a Catholic anon explain what exactly happens at confession so my only impressions of it aren't from movies? And why haven't protestants picked up on this or at least have their own version of it?

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Reincarnation?

https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/history/early-christianity.html

In all seriousness, how likely is it that reincarnation was originally taught and known by the early Christians, but was removed from the Bible/tradition by the original church figures? How do we know for sure that there is no chance of reincarnation? Inb4 troll thread.

Video related.

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How do you teach the Bible to children without “veggietalizing” (in other words censoring or kiddifing the Bible) it? Because there is some aspects of the Bible that seems hard to teach children unless they are already taught about “the birds and the bees”

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Spanish actor arrested for mocking God, Virgin Mary…

Willy Toledo to face court after ignoring two previous summons over Facebook post

http://archive.today/2018.09.14-145038/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/spain-actor-willy-toledo-god-virgin-mary-arrested-freedom-speech-a8535576.html

A Spanish actor has been arrested and detained for questioning after ridiculing the Virgin Mary and God, fuelling criticism of tight controls on freedom of speech in the country. A Madrid court issued an arrest warrant for Willy Toledo after a lawyers’ association accused him of offending religious feelings. Mr Toledo ignored two previous summons, saying he had not “committed any offence and so there is no need to appear before a judge”.

The Spanish Association of Christian Lawyers filed a complaint with the public prosecutor over a Facebook post by Mr Toledo in which he criticised an investigation of three women in Seville who paraded a large model of a vagina through the streets. The protest simulated a religious procession and was dubbed the “coño insumiso”, or “insubordinate pussy”. Mr Toledo said the judge in the case was “possessed by the devil”, adding: “I st on God and have enough st left over to s**t on the dogma of the saintliness and virginity of the Virgin Mary.

“This country is unbearably shameful. I’m disgusted. Go f**k yourselves. Long live the Insubordinate Pussy.” The Christian association accused Mr Toledo of “covering God and the Virgin Mary with ridicule”. Mr Toledo announced in March he would ignore any summons to appear in court over the complaint.

“From here, I would like to inform the hitmen from the Francoist Borbón Spanish regime that I have absolutely no intention of wasting a single second of my life by appearing before your most illustrious lordships,” he said. A court ordered he be detained after he ignored a second summons to appear for questioning in June. The Christian association said Mr Toledo was pulling a publicity stunt. “It’s been seven years since he had a job,” said Polonia Castellanos, the president of the organisation. She claimed Mr Toledo believed he was above the law and was entitled to “special privileges” because of his fame. Several high-profile actors, including Oscar-winner Javier Bardem, have spoken out in support of Mr Toledo. Bardem said Spain risked a return to the repressive era of dictator Francisco Franco.

Campaigners said Mr Toledo is the latest victim of a crackdown on free speech. “In many instances, authorities pressed criminal charges against people who had expressed opinions that did not constitute incitement to a terrorism-related offence and fell within the permissible forms of expression under international human rights law,” Amnesty International said in its 2017/18 annual report. Scores of Spanish Twitter users and performers have been investigated and jailed for glorifying terrorism or insulting the king in recent months, including rapper Valtònyc, who is on the run in Belgium from a three-and-a-half-year jail sentence. A Belgian court is set to decide whether to extradite him on 17 September.

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Filioque Thread.

Let's discuss the Filioque. Here, I'll start:

RC's, the Filioque isn't just a problem of "semantics" as some of your theologians have tried to pass it off as. Your current doctrine of the Filioque was fully defined at the Council of Florence (1431 A.D. - 1449 A.D.). This is when reunion was supposed to happened between our two Churches, and you claim that the definition of the procession of the Holy Spirit is the same as the Orthodox profession. But that is not the case. Here is an article explaining why we do not accept it:

http://orthodoxyinfo.org/CouncilOfFlorence.htm

Excerpts:

>Latin theology teaches a Trinity of persons subsisting in the one undivided nature or essence, thus reducing the persons to relations of paternity, sonship and active and passive spiration. Orthodox theology on the other hand hangs on the patristic terms the only source of the super-essential Godhead is the Father (Saint Dionysius)55 and The only source of Godhead is the Father (Saint Athanasius)56 The Latins, following Augustine, who defined the essence of God to be simplicity (unity),57 defined God as Actus Purus. 58 Aquinas in his fivefold proof for the existence of God followed pagan Greek Philosophy and declared that there must be a first mover, unmoved, a first cause in the chain of causes. For Roman Catholic Scholastic Theology, God is this unmoved cause. Their theology became a theology of Being, and God was then subjected to a theology which was governed by categories and laws of being. Everything from the first principle down to the last detail was thought of as likewise determined by these laws and categories, and thus deducible in a logically consistent manner which in effect was Aristotelian.

>To all the arguments of the Latins that when they teach that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son, they do not teach two causes of the Holy Spirit but one, Saint Mark answered, and is it possible for one cause to come from two persons? Is this not a commingling of the hypostases? This is the dogma of Sabellios. 73 Saint Mark understood what the basis for the Filioque was and according to him it taught a confusion of the hypostatic modes of existence. in continuation he stated:

>if then, the unique source of the super-essential Godhead is the Father, and in this He is distinguished from the Son and the Spirit, what was the objective of this radical distinction? The Son cannot partake of the source of the Father, nor can the Holy Spirit do so, for thus, there is a confusion concerning the divine persons, and the distinctions are abolished. For as he says, neither is it lawful that those things which are united be abolished, nor can those things which are distinguished (from one another) be confused. And for this reason, (the matter) of the source of the Godhead can in no way be attributed to the Son. 74

:)

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blasphemy against the Holy Spirit

When I was younger, I used to habitually curse God. Whenever I felt frustrated or annoyed, I would blow out steam by hurling all sorts of invectives toward God, Jesus Christ, or the Holy Spirit. I did it even over little things, like missing a shoot on the playground.

Was I possessed by demons? Am I still?

How do I remedy this?

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On the legality of Sodomy

Should sodomy be legal? It seems as though, since we ultimately have free will, it doesn't matter what is or isn't a crime, since God will judge all of us by His eternal laws.

Asking for my sodomite brother. I have a Christian view of society. Yet I am conflicted on state-church affairs. I cannot say that I don't love him and I cannot think either that, even if he is an unrepentant sinner, all of the societal rejection he would get is justified (perhaps some of it though, if he were to adopt children for example, which he doesn't want at the moment).

Kinda hard to find some real Christian advice in my environment, Genuine opinons only

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Why is Ye-shua autocorrected to Jesus?

If you write Y-eshua without the dash it autocorrects to Jesus.

Is there some particular reason why we're covering over his actual Hebrew name which means "God saves", "God equalizes", "God levels", "God's resemblance", "God's Tempest/Storm", "God with us", etc.?

I don't have a problem with the name Jesus and I don't by those weird conspiracies about it pertaining to Zeus or any of that horseshit but still…

We should be able to invoke the real name when we want to, surely.

It's a really bizarre thing to censor.

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What are the essential church father works?

Every book rec I see here is either not limited to the church fathers and includes a bunch of modern works with only a couple fathers, or it’s full on complete church fathers collections. (Pics relateds). What are the essential works of the church fathers?

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Who is telling women to be proud of this??

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Who was the real Jesus?

A Catholic told me that Jesus is the Son of God, a second person in a Trinity of God who is eternally begotten by the Father, who incarnated to save us from our sins, was born of a virgin, did many miracles, and resurrected three days after his death.

A Mormon told me Jesus is the literal Son of God and Mary, the first born of Elohim and a Heavenly Mother, who came to show us the power of Elohim and died for our sins and rising three days later to be an exalted deity over us in a three way Godhead and eventually made his way from Israel to America where he taught the Native Americans.

A Jehovah's Witness told me that Jesus is the Archangel Michael, the firstborn of Jehovah, who became the Christ at his baptism and died on an upright stake and that his body re-materialized three days after his death in contrast to the Catholic and Mormon doctrine that he resurrected.

A Muslims told me that Jesus was only a prophet sent by Allah to be born of a virgin and to preach the Injil and that in fact he did not die at all, but was raised by Allah into heaven.

A Unitarian told me that Jesus was simply a good teacher who had good ideas about love and forgiveness, and that instead of any miracles his death was simply an example for us all to love.

A Jew told me Jesus was a deceiver and false messiah who is currently boiling in excrement.

An Atheist told me Jesus never even existed but was made up by the Romans to control the slave population through a fringe form of Judaism.

I don't get it, who is the real Jesus? Who was he!? Everybody has told me such different things!!!?? I need help.

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I finished reading the first five books of the Old Testament. Should I keep going, or skip to the New Testament and then come back?

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How we know that God is good and not evil?

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Is it safe to say that God created the universe to operate like Legos, Transformers, Steven Universe, any mecha anime with combing robots etc. in that smaller things or inviduals can combine together to form an object or entity that can be a sperate form of material or being of its own (ie particles forming physical objects with certain properties that wouldn’t exist with invidual particles or the existence of hive minds)?

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Islam and the Qur'an debunked.

Mecca had a local tribe of Jews and heretical Christians that Muhammad could very easily learn Biblical and Talmudic stories from. Ibn Ishaq in his biography on Muhammad (edited by Ibn Hishām), and Muqatil ibn Sulayman in his Tafsir, reported that Muhammad used to be taught by Christian slaves named Jabr and Addas on the hill of Marwa as well as having reported that Muhammad was taught by a Jewish man named Abu Fakayha Yasar. (Muqatil b. Sulayman, Tafsir al-Qur'an, 2; Foreign slaves in Mecca and Medina in the formative Islamic period p. 345-350)

Many scholars believe the Qur'an began in a proto form as a liturgical lectionary among Arabian Nestorian Christians that was eventually redacted with various "revelations" that Muhammad received, and in a sense, Muhammad's revelations almost serve as a Midrash around the core of the original text; indeed when we read the very first chapter of the Qur'an, Al-Fatihah, we find that it does not sound like a revelation from Allah to Muhammad, as Muslims claim, but rather a liturgical prayer:

>In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful.

>[All] praise is [due] to Allah, Lord of the worlds -

>The Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful,

>Sovereign of the Day of Recompense.

>It is You we worship and You we ask for help.

>Guide us to the straight path -

>The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger or of those who are astray.

>Al-Fatihah 1:1-7

(See: The Syro-Aramaic Reading Of The Qur'an, by Christoph Luxenberg for more info on this topic)

We also find in the Qur'an the main title for Jesus being "Son of Mary" instead of "Son of God" (Qur'an 4:171, Qur'an 9:31, Qur'an 5:72-75, Qur'an 5:116, etc.) which is exactly what the Nestorians (a heretical Christian sect in Arabia, Mesopotamia, and Persia in the 7th century) used to refer to Jesus. Further Muhammad refers to the Trinity as making God "the third of three" (Qur'an 5:73) and also he includes Mary in the Trinity (Qur'an 5:116, Qur'an 4:171), which was likely a Nestorian polemic against the Monophysites (another heretical Christian sect in southern Arabia, Egypt, and Ethiopia in the 7th century) who believed Jesus's human and divine nature mashed together to form a distinct divinity. This means that Nestorian Christianity heavily influenced Islamic Christology.

Further we see in the Qur'an numerous Talmudic stories like the story of Abraham and the Idols (Qur'an 21:51-70) which cannot be found in the Bible but originated only in the Talmud in the 2nd century; as well as psuedo-New Testament material not found in the current Christian New Testament but which was widely circulating among heretical Christian sects in Arabia and Mesopotamia at the time of Muhammad such as the story of Mary giving birth to Jesus under a palm tree (Qur'an 19:22-26) which cannot be found in the current New Testament but can be found in the Arabic Pseudo-Gospel of Matthew written about 10 years before Muhammad is claimed to have received his revelation.

Essentially Muhammad was heavily influenced by the local Nestorian Christians and Jews of Mecca and Medina who taught him much about their respective faiths. He took what he learned, claimed he had some revelations from their God, combined what he had learned from the Jews and Christians with a few already existing pagan Arabian practices (such as the Hajj), and had many of his supposed revelations redacted in a proto-Qur'an used as a liturgical text among local Christian to give birth to what we now know as the Qur'an, and boom Islam was born.

Muhammad wasn't even the only supposed Arabian prophet of that time, it's just that he proved most influential only because he got into conflict with the Quraysh and then went onto conquer Arabia from there. Other supposed prophets include: Musaylimah, Al-Aswad Al-Ansi, and most interestingly Zayd ibn Amr who lived before Muhammad, and who belong to a sect scholars call "the followers of Abraham." This sect was neither Jewish nor Christian but adopted elements from both and opposed idolatry, claiming to have worshiped the God of Abraham alone. They also promoted Hagarism, an early form of Arab supremacy. Muhammad likely picked up on all these ideas, and it's very likely Muhammad was influenced or even came into contact with this sect.

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Phoneposter here.

Do you recomend any Bible app?

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So one thing that really stumps me is why Satan is evil depsite knowing the world will end. This really gets in my way of believing in a literal Satan. Why would Satan, who truly knows, not just has faith that Jesus is God's son and God is all-powerful and will eventually destroy all evil, choose to be evil? It doesn't make sense to me. I know humans choose to be evil usually because they are blind or blissfully ignorant but Satan knows.

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Long hair on men

I still don't fully understand what Paul meant here:

>Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him,(1 Corinthians 11:14)

Is it the length of the hair itself that matters or the way we style it?

Personally I'm Orthodox and I'm looking to dedicate myself to a celibate life and not cut my hair and beard.

I'm not looking to let my hair grow as a symbol of vanity. (perhaps one day I will become a monk, I've been thinking about it) I just want to do it as an outward symbol of faith and modesty.

Is this a dishonor to me? Would God dislike this about me or would He condone it?

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Liberals are calling pedophiles heroes for not being racist

Pedophiles acceptance is happening

Sodom and Gomorrah was justify!

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Fast Food is Protestant

https://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/C007cp.htm

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Foundations and Authors of the Canonical Bible

How do I deal with the doubt that arises from the debate among the validity of the authors and books of the bible canon? I am told to believe because its the books God wanted us to see, but those are the words of people, that's not something said in the bible.

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MHFM General aka the Dimond Bros. General

Anything and everything related to the Most Holy Family Monastery aka the Dimond Brothers Peter and Michael, the last remnant of true catholicism in the entire world

<https://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com

<https://www.youtube.com/user/mhfm1

PS: if this thread gets deleted the mods are apostate heretics

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Why don't protestants reject the filioque?

I'm not talking about Bible-only prots, I mean the ones like the Lutherans and certain reformed churches that accept the Bible and the first seven councils. The creed as it originally was had no filioque, that didn't come around until centuries later. Is it just grandfathered in as a western tradition?

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Serious question: How do you distinguish angels from demons

I've heard the old if it will praise Jesus it's an angel bit. But I'm too paranoid to believe that. Can't a demon just say "Jesus is Lord" and carry on with it's hijinks?

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Demonic Dreams and Returning Faith

I'm interested in seeing how this poll turns out, because just recently my faith in Christ has come back and demonic dreams seem to have surfaced. Just like when I first believed in Christ

http://www.strawpoll.me/16439950

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The Black Pope is the Jesuit 'Superior General' and He is 6 Levels Above the White Pope

The Vatican has been under the control of it’s largest all-male order, the Jesuits for a very long time. The Jesuits were created in 1534 to serve as the “counter-reformation” — the arm of the Church that would help to fight the Muslims and the Protestant Reformers.

However, they fought with espionage. The Jesuits were expelled from at least 83 countries and cities for subversion, espionage, treason, and other such things. Samuel Morse said that the Jesuits were the foot soldiers in the Holy Alliance (Europe and the Vatican) plan to destroy the United States (Congress of Vienna).

Marquis Lafayette stated that the Jesuits were behind most of the wars in Europe, and that they would be the ones to take liberty from the United States.

The head of the Jesuits is referred to as the Superior General, because he is the most powerful man in the world. He issues the commands to even heads of state and they move. This is the man and the organization who are determined to bring down the United States led by Fr. Fr. Thomas H. Smolich, S.J., President of the US Jesuit Conference.

Under Smolich is Fr. David S. Ciancimino, S.J., the Jesuit Provincial of New York. He is the top Jesuit Provinical in the United States, as New York is the capital of the Jesuit Order’s power (that’s why it was chosen as the staging area for 9/11).

Here, Ciancimino (and the Jesuits beneath him) control Wall Street, the NYSE, and the Federal Reserve Bank. Ciancimino controls Archbishop Timothy Dolan, the most powerful Roman Catholic official in the United States who is not a Jesuit. Ciancimino is an occultist, as are many other top Jesuits.

Fr. James E. Grummer, SJ, General Counselor for the Society of Jesus and assistant ad providentiam at the Jesuit Curia in Rome.

He was appointed assistant professor of history at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, in 1989 and served as the rector of Campion House, a Jesuit formation community at Creighton, from 1989 to 1991. In 1991, he became the rector of the Jesuit community at Creighton Preparatory School, but returned to teaching at Creighton University in 1994.

​The next year, he became socius (assistant) to the provincial of the Wisconsin Province of the Society of Jesus. He was named provincial of the Wisconsin Province in 2001. In 2005, he was appointed General Counselor and Regional Assistant to the Superior General of the Jesuits for the United States Assistancy.

The New Black Pope: Superior General Arturo Sosa Abascal

He is the most powerful man on Earth, who rules over Maritime Laws (business). He controls the banking system, Freemasonry and the Secret Services (CIA, FBI, NSA, SIS, MI6, Scotland Yard, Mossad, CSIS, DGSE, FSB).

The Vatican owns 60% of all of Israel's land and the Land of the Temple Mount for their Third Solomon’s Temple where they want their throne.

He is a part of the Arcana Arcanorum controlled by the Papal Bloodlines within the I-Mori. These bloodlines are the omega point of control. These are the Farnese, ORSINI, Aldobrandini, Somaglia & Breakspear. Their war room command center is within the Borgo Santo Spirito which is missile protected!

Viktor Emmanuelle IV wanted to nuke this region of Rome. Henry Breakspear and Pepe Orsini are in high control! Jesuit Assistancy Soldier, James Grummer controls the United States Corporation.

For the first time in almost 500 years of life, the Company of Jesus, the most numerous and influential religious order of Catholicism, will be led by a non-European, and in particular from a Latin-American. And this just at the moment when there is a Pope, in turn, himself a Jjesuit, he is also Latino-American.

The election of Father Arturo Sosa Abascal was within the plans of the general congregation in Rome on October 2, which took place the morning shortly after 11.30 am, when the classroom was heard to roar a big round of applause.

The first to publicly communicate the name of the new Father General is respected the tradition that the first to be informed of the Pope, in virtue of the special bond that unites the order founded by Ignatius of Loyola to the successor of Peter.

PAPAL ROME RUNS THE U.S.

It is not Zionist or Khazarian Jews – or Israel – or Jewish neo-conservatives who have been – or are – running the USA, as some folks allege but they play a rather large role with the relationship of the Illuminati with the Jesuits. RATHER, agents of Papal Rome have been running the U.S. for over a century!

Yes, they do occasionally place a Papal “court Jew” in a prominent position (e.g., the head of the Federal Reserve) to give the New World Order conspiracy a Jewish “flavor”; however, Papal Rome is the real controller of the U.S.! (And she rules the U.S. from “behind the scenes”!)

Make no mistake, the U.S. and all its townships, cities, counties and states are incorporated separately and owned by Papal Rome.

http://archive.fo/hWS6m

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Sobriety general

>Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 20:1

>Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.

Proverbs 23:29-30

>Woe to you that rise up early in the morning to follow drunkenness, and to drink till the evening, to be inflamed with wine.

Isaiah 5:11

Let us have a thread in the same vein as the Nofap thread - a place for your successes, your woes, your stories and your support for abstinence from drugs and alcohol. Prayer requests are of course accepted. Intoxication is a sin, and chronic intoxication is a deadly passion that wounds our soul as well as our body, perhaps even more so.

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Real Christians know Hebrew, Syriac, and Greek.

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I need help…

I keep draining my energy on arguing with infidels.

Today I spent hours arguing against abortion with a non-believer girl online, and then with my non-believer friend.

I made the mistake of posting against sexual immorality & abortion into an 'unpopular opinion' group on a stupid app to see if I get at least one positive reply and I received so much hatred it's not even funny anymore. It literally got to me and I got very angry with the world.

I know I keep bringing this stuff on myself, and I'm trying not to hang out on shitty apps and stuff like that anymore… but then even your close friends spit in your face and make fun of your Lord…

When I think about the fact that I'm gonna get a job soon and I'll have to deal with people who don't believe on a daily basis and with the same people, I'm getting very freaked out.

I just wanna retreat to a monastery honestly. I absolutely hate this world and I hate myself so much for being like those people in the past…

Does anyone else understand how I feel? Is it a sin that I feel like this?

Any verses/words of encouragement and advice on my situation, brothers?

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Many of the people on this board will go to hell

Faith alone saves. If you believe that your works will save you, to any degree, you are not saved. That includes most of your self-righteous fools who think edifying yourselves is more inportant than preaching the Truth. The 1st works are to evangelize. That means talking to others about Christ. Whether they are complete strangers, in-person or by correspondence, it is your DUTY to bring the Gospel to every creature.

Instead, I see this board filled with wicked "men" stroking their egos and obvious antichrists sewing discord. In order to preach the Gospel & bring others to Christ, the 1st works, you must try. You must be saved yourself. The King James is the true Bible for those of us who speak and read English, yet I anticipate some snotty, latin speaking reprobates to come say otherwise despite not being able to hail a taxi in Greek or Hebrew.

Get right with God. Get saved. Do the 1st works.

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Daily reminder to tear down any LGBT propaganda you come across.

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Are Atheists and Muslims NPCs?

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Do you eat pork /christian/?

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>Be Roman citizen born in the backwater of Tarsus

>Be bald, short and have a hunchback

>Spend most of your life being transferred between prisons and being incarcerated

>Endure countless persecutions

>2000 years later have a more recognizable name than all the Roman emperors combined

Is Paul the greatest success story in history?

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Since usury is viewed as evil by many Christians, how do you counter the claim that usury is vital to an economy, that it's necessary for an economy to grow?

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Mass Shootings

Jesus would want you to take a strong stance on gun violence and gun control.

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Fellow atheist here, how has Christianity changed your life in a positive way? Did it help you find meaning in your life?

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Greece denies visa to Russian Orthodox Church official

https://www.unian.info/world/10253940-greece-denies-visa-to-russian-orthodox-church-official.html

The Chancellor of Moscow Patriarchate, Metropolitan Varsonofy of St. Petersburg and Ladoga has been refused a Greek visa ahead of his planned pilgrimage to Athos.

"For many years the archbishop has been going on a pilgrimage to Athos. This year, he was denied a Schengen visa," the Chancellery told TASS.

As UNIAN reported earlier, the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) had been facing problems obtaining Schengen visas through the Greek consulate amid the conflict between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Patriarchate of Constantinople over the issue of granting autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC).

"This is the policy of the Greek government. Now the priests of the ROC are perceived as potential spies and agents of influence," a source close to Constantinople told the BBC Russian Service.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-orthodox-church-threatens-retaliation-against-istanbul-based-patriarch/29479797.html

The Russian Orthodox Church has threatened to retaliate against its Istanbul-based rival if it allows Ukraine to cut its spiritual ties with Moscow and thereby end Russian religious rule in the country.

Bartholomew, known as the "first among equals" of Orthodox Christian leaders in the world, is expected to rule in the coming months on an appeal from Ukraine to break away from Moscow and create an independent church.

The Russian Orthodox Church is especially upset with a decision on September 7 by Bartholomew to send two envoys to Ukraine as a step toward declaring ecclesiastical independence for the church there.

The Istanbul-based Patriarchate said it will send two bishops to Ukraine "within the framework of the preparations for the granting of autocephaly to the Orthodox Church in Ukraine," strongly suggesting it had already decided to grant independence to the Orthodox Church in Ukraine.

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MakoHorrorShow

Thought you guys might be interested in this Christian girl's YT channel. She's kinda edgy and swears a bit, so her videos aren't something to share with grandma, but she's pretty cool.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMgv9g9UvItNlzn5MAf0BtA

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How can catholics answer this

I've been considering becoming a catholic or eastern orthodox but there are a couple doctrinal issues I have with it. One of the biggest are my Calvinistic beliefs. Like, I don't think I can join a church that denies such a clear and scriptural truth. Is there a way for me to join catholicism or eastern orthodoxy and retain my calvinistic beliefs? Also, I'm not willing to compromise. I've heard a catholics attempts to somehow adjust the 5 points. I think it was called thomas aquinas' 5 points. I disagreed with them greatly.

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Ἄκτιστον Φῶς

Daily reminder that the light revealed on Mount Tabor at the Transfiguration of our Lord is identified with the light seen by Paul at his conversion and the light of the Burning Bush. And this light is one of the uncreated energies of God himself.

While the essence of God can never be known by his creatures (even in the next life) his uncreated energies or operations can be known both in this life and in the next, and can convey to the pure-hearted in this life and to the righteous in the next life as a true spiritual knowledge of God.

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Officials destroying crosses, burning bibles in China…

“The international community should be alarmed and outraged for this blatant violation of freedom of religion and belief”

http://archive.today/2018.09.10-082314/https://www.apnews.com/c09b2ee4b71540c8a7fd6178820c5970/Group:-Officials-destroying-crosses,-burning-bibles-in-China

BEIJING (AP) — China’s government is ratcheting up a crackdown on Christian congregations in Beijing and several provinces, destroying crosses, burning bibles, shutting churches and ordering followers to sign papers renouncing their faith, according to pastors and a group that monitors religion in China. The campaign corresponds with a drive to “Sinicize” religion by demanding loyalty to the officially atheist Communist Party and eliminating any challenge to its power over people’s lives. Bob Fu of the U.S.-based group China Aid said over the weekend that the closure of churches in central Henan province and a prominent house church in Beijing in recent weeks represents a “significant escalation” of the crackdown.

“The international community should be alarmed and outraged for this blatant violation of freedom of religion and belief,” he wrote in an email. Under President Xi Jinping, China’s most powerful leader since Mao Zedong, religious believers are seeing their freedoms shrink dramatically even as the country undergoes a religious revival. Experts and activists say that as he consolidates his power, Xi is waging the most severe systematic suppression of Christianity in the country since religious freedom was written into the Chinese constitution in 1982.

Fu also provided video footage of what appeared to be piles of burning bibles and forms stating that the signatories had renounced their Christian faith. He said that marked the first time since Mao’s radical 1966-1976 Cultural Revolution that Christians had been compelled to make such declarations, under pain of expulsion from school and the loss of welfare benefits. A Christian pastor in the Henan city of Nanyang said crosses, bibles and furniture were burned during a raid on his church on Sept. 5. The pastor, who asked not to be identified by name to avoid repercussions from authorities, said several people entered the church just as it opened its doors at 5 a.m. and began removing items. He said the church had been in discussions with local authorities who demanded it “reform” itself, but no agreement had been reached or official documents released.

Chinese law requires religious believers to worship only in congregations registered with the authorities, but many millions belong to so-called underground or house churches that defy government restrictions. A local official reached by phone at the Nanyang city government disputed the account, saying officials respected religious freedom. The man declined to give his name, as is common with Chinese bureaucrats, while a person answering phones at the local religious affairs bureau said they were “not clear” about the matter. In Beijing, the Zion church was shut on Sunday by around 60 government workers who arrived at 4:30 p.m. accompanied by buses, police cars and fire trucks, the church’s pastor, Ezra Jin Mingri, said Monday. Zion is known as the largest house church in Beijing, with six branches. The officials declared the gatherings illegal and sealed off church properties, Jin said, after already freezing the pastor’s personal assets in an apparent attempt to force him to comply with their demands.

“Churches will continue to develop. Blocking the sites will only intensify conflicts,” Jin told The Associated Press by phone. A notice posted Sunday on the website of the Chaoyang district government in Beijing said the Zion Church had been closed because it failed to register with the government. All of China’s officially recognized religions appear to have been affected by the crackdown. In the most extreme example, an estimated 1 million Uighurs and other members of Muslim minority groups in the country’s northwest have been arbitrarily detained in indoctrination camps where they are forced to denounce Islam and profess loyalty to the Communist Party. The government says it is taking necessary measures to eliminate extremism, but denies setting up the camps. China has an estimated 38 million Protestants, and experts have predicted that the country will have the world’s largest Christian population in a few decades.

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Is genetic engineering a a sin? Should be done about the future human animal hybrids if they are not around already?

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What is the point of this stupid filter??

I understand that some people have sensitivities to “bad language,” but why make a useless filter for the word fu¢k? If the mods hate that word so bad, why not make profanity a bannable offense?

>b-but let no corrupt communication proceed from your mouth

Yeah, and the corrupt communication is what the Bible describes, not a bunch of words that society arbitrarily decided were bad. The real corrupt communication is blasphemy, slander, false oaths, gossiping, back biting, cursing (wishing evil on someone), bearing false witness, etc.

I guess God will be in Heaven like:

>yeah, you believed in Jesus, but you said some words that society arbitrarily decided were bad. So depart from me, you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the…

Actually, that sounds dumb as fu¢k.

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Can we have a thread about Christianity in China and Chinese Christians?

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>be catholic

>talk to my catholic mother

>don't talk too much about religion with her

>she jokingly say there is gays everywhere

>I, then say one must flee in a monastery to escape them

>she says there is plenty of them there, even pedos

>Say I were talking about orthodox monasteries

>She agree

>Her point is now invalidated

>We both stare in silence, knowing the superiority of the orthodox church

How can we even compete ?

For what reason aren't catholics all orthodox by now ?

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Stop your hate.

I understand it, somewhat, it's just part of the anonymous posting condition; you're free to be as hateful, be as mean, and speak down to anyone and everyone as much as you want, and no one will be the wiser. Except, God knows. How do you justify your sinful anger to the one who knows all you do? Every time you call someone a 'faggot'; God is there. Every time you call someone a 'fat winnie the pooh'; God is there. Every time you tell someone to 'kill yourself'; God. Is. There.

Please, fellow Christanons… Stop your hate. If you disagree with someone's morals, introduce them in a non-intimidating and gentle way to God's morals. Don't just tell them to 'winnie the pooh off and burn in hell'.

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Is God a mathematician? Mathematics explains the laws of creation. The universe is best explained through the mathematical models of either relativity or quantum mechanics (neither have been reconciled yet as far as I understand). Why doesn't God reveal the laws of the universe to us then?

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DRAW THREAD

For the reunification of the Church edition.

Post your request, creations, etc…

The last one were great with plenty of oc. With the help of the Lord, may this one be beautiful.

Blessed be posters and contributors to this thread.

let's start this thread with some oc I made

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I think I finally understand what evil is

My 6th grade teacher from Catholic school always told me that daydreaming was a sinful act. I could remember how stupid I thought that was. How dumb a lot of things were to God when I was young:

>Video games are evil

>Movies are degenerate

>D&D is the devil's game

It was not too long ago when I finally realized what they ment: People's disconnect with reality pulls them into sin. Tran people with their genders. The Larping Alt Righter. Everyone is susceptible to a fanatical mind set and can easily be lost in their false belief.

Where in the bible does it mention something of this ideal?

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What made you take the leap of faith?

That's to say, what convinced you your religion was the correct one, and which arguments swayed you in favor of them over materialistic/nihilist ones?

Asing because I've had an interest in the faith for a while and grew up a protestant but fell out of the faith pretty quickly. It's not like I'm exactly the chad hedonist or anything, but I'm just not religious anymore. It's a nice thought, but nice thoughts don't count for much.

That said, I'm still interested in what erased the doubt for others, even if I don't have that comfort myself.

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About the Trinity

Hi /christian/,

I'm somewhat new to Christianity, only completely reading the Bible last year, and one aspect of Christianity that confuses me is the Trinity.

I've tried to understand it, but I cannot condone/understand elevating someone who I see as a prophet (Jesus), to Godhood. I simply cannot imagine God taking human form and talking to us, I believe this is so far below his greatness that even mentioning it makes me uncomfortable.

As I continued reading about the trinity I also found that it was first introduced in 100~ AD, which means it is highly unlikely that Jesus himself put much emphasis on his "Godhood", something I would expect him to do if he was really God.

I expect most of you here to disagree with me, so I'd like you to explain to me why you do believe Jesus is God in the flesh.

Please keep it civil, as I am not writing this to piss you off, I am only writing this because this is something I am genuinely curious about.

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Worst Trinity analogies you've ever heard?

>go to youth group

>hear a dude use the Triforce to explain the trinity to a group of people there

The way he described it made it sound more polytheistic than trinitarian.

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Are there any recorded dialogs between angels and saints?

If not, which saints had the most experiences with these creatures?

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Can someone be a vigilante and still be a good Christian?

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Street preachers

What is your honest opinion about them?

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How much actual theology does he know?

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/Prayer Fitness thread/

Time to get spiritually buff.

Last two digits is how many minutes you gotta pray for.

Rolling.

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This makes my blood boil

I am so sick and tired of this trash. Tired of the homosexuals attempting to change the Church instead of changing for the Church. This link goes to an article that envisions the Passion of Christ from the the Gay perspective, with Jesus as a….yes….a gay man!!! Pic is related.

http://archive.fo/LDF2P

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The divine names Elohim and Jehovah

Is Elohim the Father and Jehovah the Son, or are those both names for the full trinity, or are those names both names for the Father, or is Elohim the trinity and Jehovah is the Father?

I've heard all this different stuff regarding those two names, and I want to know the answers. Why does God even have multiple names in the Old Testament? Why don't those names come up in the New Testament?

By Jehovah I mean the Tetregram, Yahweh, YHWH, etc. That name is transliterated a ton of different ways. Personally, I've always preferred Jehovah. I just want to confirm that I'm not some weirdo crypto-Mormon or Jehovah's Witness

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Pro-LGBT "Churches"

Someone please explain this to me; I'm losing my mind.

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Sunday Worship Thread

ITT Post worshipful images, videos, music, etc.

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I'll keep it vague.

I committed social suicide a few years back when I was an athiest (I lived a degenerate lifestyle) and in the mean time I converted to catholicism. I have a terrible reputation that makes everyone around me hate me and treat me badly. So much so, that I inspire so much venom that they go so far as to want me to commit suicide. A few years ago I started the rumour about myself and now I am accepting the consequences of my actions.

God has blessed me since then with my strong faith and three close friends who are like a second family to me. They stuck by me all the way through and are loyal friends. I do deserve what has and is and will be coming for me. I have trusted and prayed to the Lord night and day to get me through. It makes me laugh that I am the source of my own problems.

I didn't know at the time that I would ever want to get to know a girl genuinenly. Or ever want to start a family. Or ever want to socialise at all. I matured. I was a late bloomer.

Can you anon's pray for me? That I may be blessed with humility. Due to financial reasons I cannot leave the country or move. And when I do go, I will leave and live the life of a hermit. I own a plot of land somewhere abroad and my dream is to park a trailer on it and live there for good. It will follow me wherever I go.

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Church of England numbers in Britain are at record low: survey

LONDON (Reuters) - The number of Britons who describe themselves as belonging to the Church of England has fallen to a record low with more than half now saying they have no religion, according to a survey published on Friday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-religion/church-of-england-numbers-in-britain-are-at-record-low-survey-idUSKCN1LM3D1

Just 14 percent of Britons identified themselves as Church of England, down from 31 percent 15 years ago, the British Social Attitudes survey found. The number saying they had no religion rose from 41 to 52 percent.

Church of Scotland numbers also fell from 31 percent in 2002 to 18 percent.

“Our figures show an unrelenting decline in Church of England and Church of Scotland numbers,” said Roger Harding, Head of Public Attitudes at the National Centre for Social Research.

“This is especially true for young people where less than one in 20 now belong to their established church. While the figures are starkest among younger people, in every age group the biggest single group are those identifying with no religion.”

The sharpest decline in those saying they were Church of England was among 45 to 54-year-olds while 70 percent of those aged between 18 and 24 said they had no religion, according to the survey, based on 3,988 interviews.

However, the research found that the number of Britons who described themselves as Roman Catholic (8 percent), of ‘other Christian affiliations’ (10 percent), and non-Christian faiths (8 percent) had remained fairly stable.

Roman Catholics also went to church more regularly, with 42 percent attending at least once a month compared to 21 percent of Church of England members.

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Exorcist: Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal Demonic, Likely to Get Worse…

Catholics need to be strong and be prepared to persevere for the long haul. “We are in for a long storm,” he said. “The clouds are just starting."

https://pjmedia.com/faith/leading-u-s-exorcist-catholic-church-sex-abuse-scandal-is-demonic-likely-to-get-worse/

In a recent interview, a world-renowned exorcist said the sex abuse scandal currently rocking the Catholic Church is demonic in nature and likely to get worse before it gets better. “We are in for a long storm,” said Father Gary Thomas, the exorcist for the Diocese of San Jose, California. Fr. Thomas' training in Rome was the subject of the 2010 book The Rite: The Making of a Modern Exorcist by Matt Baglio. The book was made into a movie starring Anthony Hopkins in 2011. “It’s only going to get worse,” Father Gary Thomas told the National Catholic Register's Patti Armstrong. “But as bad as it is, it has to come out. It is unacceptable.”

According to Fr. Thomas, the age-old taunt — "who’s going to believe you?" — is a Satanic message that is meant to silence sexual abuse victims. “Convincing people that no one will believe them is what Satan says when something is so outside the bounds of what is reasonable as to be unbelievable,” Father Thomas said. “Reading the accounts of what those children in Pennsylvania went through [as detailed in the Grand Jury Report] we wonder, how could this happen?” he continued. “It’s other-worldly—outside what people thought was possible — that’s what makes it demonic.” For far too long, Catholics have seen this real-life horror story play out over and over again in their churches.

>In an article about becoming the solution, Jennifer Roback Morse, Ph.D., founder and president of the Ruth Institute, pointed out that if abusers thought people would speak up and be listened to, they would not have gotten away with so much for so long. If people had listened to poor “James,” when he was abused at 11-years-old, the now 60-year-old man abused by Father Theodore McCarrick, would not have had to suffer in silence for decades. “James tried to tell his parents,” Morse wrote. “They did not believe him, against the word of a respected priest. James began getting into trouble, doing alcohol and drugs. The family thought Father McCarrick could straighten him out. They encouraged him to spend more time with their son.”

Fr. Thomas explained why sexual abuse of children is especially heinous. “By sexually abusing children, Satan desires to destroy the icon of the kingdom of God. He wants to destroy the most innocent version of humanity, which is the child,” he said. The priest said that in his opinion, behavior that falls outside the bounds of what is conceivable – like murder – is also clearly demonic. "ISIS is a satanically driven organization because they have a premediated will to kill as many as possible who don’t believe their way of life," he explained. "Even drug cartels are demonic and often pray to Satan to curse their drugs and they refer to Satan as their father and pray to him. I’ve seen documentaries on this and attended workshops with government task forces and prayed over some of the cops because of what they are dealing with.” Fr. Thomas called on all Catholics to pray and fast and to act to triumph over the evil. “It can’t just be the removal of a few,” he said. “It has to be a complete reshaping of the paradigm of the way our Church governs; we need a complete cleaning up. We need a lay commission to set up an independent study. The bishops can’t do it; they don’t know how to do it.”

Father noted that he fasts and prays before his work as an exorcist. “Prayer, fasting and the sacraments are efficacious,” he said, “but it cannot be without the intentionality of action that comes out of prayer. We want prayer to change us and we are praying for a change in the whole Church, all the way up. And we are also praying for the victims who have gone through decades of terrible trauma.” Fr. Thomas said Catholics need to be strong and be prepared to persevere for the long haul. “We are in for a long storm,” he said. “The clouds are just starting. However, our primary concern must be the victims who have been violated and firmly and without doubt prevent new victimizations from taking place in the future. There can be no tolerance for sexual misconduct perpetrated by clergy or lay people within the Church now or ever again.”

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Nietzsche

Has anyone here read Nietzsche's major works and has a good grasp of his philosophy? I first read Nietzsche when I was 14-15 (atheist at the time) and I thought he was completely fascinating, although I couldn't understand the vast majority of what he was talking about. After getting more into philosophy throughout high school and understanding core philosophical concepts, I revisited Nietzsche and read almost his entire catalog. I really couldn't and still cannot logically disprove the vast majority of what he claims about human beings, values, desires, and reality. I have become Christian since then but my faith has been waning a lot the last year or so mostly due to Nietzsche's philosophy (but other factors as well.) How can you refute Nietzsche's claims? I've tried finding Christian refutations of his ideas but most of them seem to only have a very shallow understanding of his philosophy and philosophy in general. When I ponder his ideas about religious feelings and Christian morality it really makes me think that I'm only a Christian because I'm sensitive / kind-hearted and want to escape the burden of actual reality.

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What's the point of avoiding masturbation?

honest question.

I mean, even if we ignore the fact that nowhere in the bible was it ever forbidden (Onan's sin was sexually exploiting his late brother's wife by having sex with her but not giving her seed)

we still have the problem that it's literally impossible to avoid the spilling/destruction of seed. simply because you will just ejaculate in your sleep.

and the more you avoid masturbation the more ofen you will ejaculate in your sleep. even without wet dreams.

I was avoiding masturbation for a year now. and I ejaculate in my sleep about 1-2 times a week.

so im starting to feel it's all pointless…

what do you think?

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Moloch

Are modern jews implicitly satanists?

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The Vatican’s Secret Life

Despite headlines about a powerful “gay lobby” within the Vatican, and a new Pope promising reform, the Catholic Church’s gay cardinals, monks, and other clergy inhabit a hidden netherworld. In Rome, the author learns how they navigate the dangerous paradox of their lives.

Naked but for the towel around his waist, a man of a certain age sat by himself, bent slightly forward as if praying, in a corner of the sauna at a gym in central Rome. I had not met this man before, but as I entered the sauna, I thought I recognized him from photographs. He looked like a priest with whom I’d corresponded after mutual friends put us in touch, a man I had wanted to consult about gay clerics in the Vatican Curia. My friends told me that this priest was gay, politically savvy, and well connected to the gay Church hierarchy in Rome.

But this couldn’t be that priest. He had told me that he’d be away and couldn’t meet. Yet as I looked at the man more closely, I saw that it was definitely him. When we were alone, I spoke his name, telling him mine. “I thought you were out of the country,” I said. “How lucky for me: you’re here!” Startled, the priest talked fast. Yes, his plans had changed, he said, but he was leaving again the next day and would return only after I was gone.

During the previous few days, I had heard a lot about this man. I had heard that he is a gossip, a social operator whose calendar is a blur of drinks and dinners with cardinals and archbishops, principessas and personal trainers. Supposedly, he loves to dish male colleagues with campy female nicknames. But I would never have the experience firsthand. The priest was embarrassed: to have been chanced upon at this place; to have had his small evasions revealed. The encounter was awkward. No, he did not wish to discuss the subject I was interested in. No, he did not think the subject worthwhile. These things he made clear. We left the sauna and, after further conversation, civil but stilted, went our separate ways.

http://archive.fo/uW1aA

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Catholic here. I've been bothered a lot by all these controversies surrounding the pope. Is it okay for me to ignore such news, gossips, and other stuff regarding the church's politics? Feels like they add nothing to my faith and my motivation to do good. All they do is occupying my mind with doubt and pointless confusion. Am I just ignorant or just too much of a brainlet to handle politics and dogma?

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Self-improvement general

Sure we got /nofap/ and /relationship/ threads but there are not threads for workout, recommended reading and self-improvement related stuff.

How are you guys doing/what are you reading right now and what's your recommended reading list?

Post anything SIG(Self-improvement general) related.

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Synodal Fathers on Pastoral Care; "sexy Eucharist"

Posted without a comment.

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Fiction

What childhood heroes did you have?

Do you think they'd make it to heaven?

Did converting to Christianity make you like them more or less?

For me it was Goku, and I definitely think they'd be saved via the virtuous pagan clause.

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>SJWs are crying racism and islamophobia

Over Doom internal anti-Demon stance

>killing demons is racist now to liberals

Really makes you think.

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Under daemonic assault

What do? Not trolling, seriously. Either my mind is done winnie the poohed up truly, or I am under a daemonic assault. Intrusive thoughts everywhere, even during prayers. Not daydreams and side thoughts, but thoughts like: "murder him, aren't you curious?", random scenes of carnal lust, "renounce His name, I know you are too lazy to go to church every week", strange noises, etc.

I try to keep myself sane with images of the destination of the damned and how those shit is not worth an eternity of hell. Should I keep it simple and go straight to the priest and tell him that and arrange for an exorcism before I am fully possessed? I do not trust psychiatrists about this though, so I am not going to them.

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>Brave enough to call out jews and degeneracy in culture

>Got Slandered as a pedophile by the mainstream media and ((Hollywood)) for it

>Tried to Dedicate his life to charity

>His music full biblical themes and Gospel overtones

>wrote the most anti-abortion song in the world

>Open about his faith and tried to bring others to god

What does /christian/ think of Micheal Jackson? With all the demons Micheal Jackson faced. I hope he still found his way into heaven.

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Celibacy in the clergy

Those who advocate for the lift of celibacy in the clergy have fallen for the Freudian meme that sexual repression triggers neurosis.

If you believe sexual repression triggers neurosis (which was never proven) then you must admit that if you were deprived of sex you'd possibly also commit an abuse.

And how would you explain the fact that:

1) celibate people live longer than those sexually active (data in the book mentioned below)

2) we are living a period of sexual freedom at the same time the occurrence of neurosis is at the highest level

I recommend you to read Sorokin's The American Sex Revolution. He was a Catholic sociologist and presents important data.

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Faith alone and Faith+works can both be easily abused.

Both abuses rely on lying to God about faith.

The protestant says "I'm saved, I can do whatever I want."

The catholic says "it doesn't matter that I winnie the poohed my girlfriend. I'll give a homeless man a buck tomorrow."

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The story of Moira Greyland

This is the true story of a woman who was raised by a lesbian mother (famous sci-fi/fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley) and a (mostly) gay pedophile father. Towards the end she makes some interesting observations about homosexuality in general.

https://askthebigot.com/2015/07/23/the-story-of-moira-greyland-guest-post/

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Jordan Peterson

What does /christian/ think of him?

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Is being a furry a sin?

I say yes!

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A question for you Sola Scriptura nuts

am i right to represent your position as deriving from a plain reading of the Bible which shows Christ treating the Old Testament as being the very word of God - being 'inspired' or 'breathed out' by The Creator - and thus the sole rule of Faith by which all matters spiritual must be judged; then latterly the 4 Gospels and the Epistles were recognised by the early Church to be Scripture of equal worth, as evidenced by their prolific transmission between believers, the letters between early leaders of the Church quoting so expansively from Scripture that we could compile the most of the Old Testament and all* of the New Testament several times over merely from their missives, and most pertinently that Peter asserts the writings of Paul to be 'Scripture' in 2 Pet 3:16

> (speaking of his brother Paul's writings) as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

… have i missed anything, or do you have further reasons for holding to Sola Scriptura?

~

*save for around 6 verses

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Is Isaiah 7:14 really about Jesus?

I don't get it, is Isaiah 7:14 about King Hezekiah or Jesus?

My Jewish friend says the word "almah" meaning young woman of child bearing age who may or may not be married, not virgin, and that the latter rendering of it was a mistranslation of the Hebrew into the Greek and that the Gospels were relying on the Greek translation and made a huge mistake.

He also says it doesn't even fit the context for Jesus either and I mean if you do read the verse in context it does look to be about Hezekiah and not the Messiah.

15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings. 17 The Lord will bring the king of Assyria upon you and your people and your father’s house—days that have not come since the day that Ephraim departed from Judah.”

18 And it shall come to pass in that day

That the Lord will whistle for the fly

That is in the farthest part of the rivers of Egypt,

And for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.

19 They will come, and all of them will rest

In the desolate valleys and in the clefts of the rocks,

And on all thorns and in all pastures.

20 In the same day the Lord will shave with a hired razor,

With those from beyond [j]the River, with the king of Assyria,

The head and the hair of the legs,

And will also remove the beard.

21 It shall be in that day

That a man will keep alive a young cow and two sheep;

22 So it shall be, from the abundance of milk they give,

That he will eat curds;

For curds and honey everyone will eat who is left in the land.

23 It shall happen in that day,

That wherever there could be a thousand vines

Worth a thousand shekels of silver,

It will be for briers and thorns.

24 With arrows and bows men will come there,

Because all the land will become briers and thorns.

25 And to any hill which could be dug with the hoe,

You will not go there for fear of briers and thorns;

But it will become a range for oxen

And a place for sheep to roam.

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What makes versions truly different from each other?

If I read KJV + Apocrypha and then read DRA will I notice different meanings? What makes them different from each other?

Ive never seen debate based upon the same verse but from different versions.

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The Plot to Bring Down the Pope

SEX, LIES, AND PAPACIES

ROME—Not long after Pope Francis took office in March 2013, he ran into a wall. But it wasn’t the ancient Roman brickwork built around Vatican City. It was stronger. And it came from deep within the very church he was elected to lead. Every time he tried to introduce reforms, the wall was there. His foes were so strong he recently equated reforming the Catholic Church with “cleaning the Sphinx of Egypt with a toothbrush.”

Still, Francis persevered, relying on his immediate popularity and innate charm, and soon the outside world began to look at the Catholic Church in a new, positive light under his guidance. Suddenly, it it was cool to be Catholic.

But the traditional conservatives within the church didn’t want to be cool, and while the new pope was hardly progressive by secular standards (he is still Catholic, after all), they preferred the cold church, the one that protected them from the outside world behind layers of immovable doctrine.

While Francis reached far into the margins to minister to the poor and disenfranchised, the conservatives preferred punishing the sinners and adhering to archaic rules that have little place in the modern world, even if it meant sacrificing the flock.

Francis toyed with allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to take communion, he made it OK to forgive abortion to repentant women, and he was nice to gays. And the conservatives bristled.

It took five long years, but the conservative powers of the Catholic Church have finally begun to turn around the supertanker of support for the pope they seem to hate. And they did it using the one sin the whole church is guilty of: clerical sex abuse.

Francis cannot be blamed for mishandling the bulk of the church’s endemic sex abuse scandals, many of which have played out in dioceses that were run by those who would like to see him resign. There has been no major sex abuse scandal in his native Argentina—at least not yet—so his naysayers have had to pick a softer target.

http://archive.fo/ulxrI

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Why are other texts in Christian Orthodoxy just as important as Scripture? Isn't that a bit heretical?

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Orthodoxy is to blame for communism

According to a research published by the World Bank, unlike Catholicism and Protenstantism who promote individualism thus making the transition to Capitalism easier, Orthodoxy has a more communal mentality which is why Orthodox countries were taken over by communism.

They also say that Orthodox people are more unhappy than Catholics and Protestants.

Thoughts?

http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/303241522775925061/pdf/WPS8399.pdf

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F

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Its a sin to kill insects?

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DC made Batman an atheist over Bane cucking

>Batman becomes an atheist because Catwoman left him at the altar for Bane

>At the same it reviled that Slade is Damian Wayne real father

>Been raising Deathstroke son as his own for years

>DC retcon Batman as a canon cuckhold atheist

>Retcon that ignores Batman using holy water and crosses to fight demons and vampires.( and ignoring Batman being friends with etrigan, Wonder Woman and Constantine.)

As stupid as Tom King making Batman an atheist over Catwoman leaving Him. At least they show cuckholding and atheism goes hand to hand.

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Is Jesus communist

He says to sell all your things and follow him to be perfect

If everyone sold all their things, everyone will end up being poor

Does Jesus want everyone on earth to live like monks?

Is Jesus communist?

>pic not related

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Viral 'Momo suicide game' blamed for deaths of boy, 16, and girl, 12, reports say

== Is it a Sin to spread edgy MEMEs? == Two youths in Colombia reportedly committed suicide in late August as the sick "Momo suicide challenge" continues to spread worldwide.

A 12-year-old girl and a 16-year-old boy took their own lives, within just 48 hours of each other, according to local radio outlet Caracol. The deaths happened in the municipality of Barbosa, in the north west part of the Colombian area of Santander, according to the Daily Mail.

Local media, including RCN Radio, reported the teen boy likely knew the younger girl and passed the game to her, before killing himself. A mere 48 hours later, the 12-year-old girl was found hanged.

SINISTER 'MOMO SUICIDE CHALLENGE' SPARKS FEAR AS IT SPREADS ON WHATSAPP

Police seized the children's phones, which were said to have messages linking them to the Momo suicide game.

"Apparently, they practiced this game through WhatsApp and it invited the young people to hurt themselves," government secretary Janier Landono said. "The game has different challenges and the suicide is at the end."

The reported deaths are the first to be linked to the game in Colombia, which is thought to have originated on a Facebook group page. Police in Argentina are investigating whether “Momo” is linked to the suicide of a 12-year-old girl in the district of Escobar, which occurred last month.

WhatsApp did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Fox News.

SICK WHATSAPP 'MOMO SUICIDE GAME' INFILTRATES 'MINECRAFT'

The vile “Momo suicide game” has been garnering attention after it began spreading on WhatsApp, prompting police warnings. If players fail to complete the challenges in the game, they receive threatening messages from an avatar dubbed Momo, a bird-like woman with eyes protruding out of her head, who says the user will be cursed with an "evil spell."

There is also a Momo doll created by Japanese doll artist Midori Hayashi, though Hayashi has nothing to do with the vulgar video game.

"Momo" is a viral challenge that asks people to add a contact via WhatsApp. The user is then urged to commit self-harm or suicide. The "game" has fueled comparisons to the sinister "Blue Whale challenge" that led to reports of suicides in Russia and the U.S, as well as the online fictional character of "Slender Man." In 2014, two 12-year-old girls in Wisconsin attempted to kill a classmate in an attempt to please the horror character.

MICROSOFT CLAMPS DOWN ON SICK 'MOMO SUICIDE GAME' IN 'MINECRAFT'

Last month, the "Momo" game made its way into the popular "Minecraft" video game, which prompted Microsoft to clamp down on it.

Fox News' Sam Webb, Nicole Darrah, James Rogers and the Associated Press contributed to this article. Follow Chris Ciaccia on Twitter @Chris_Ciaccia

https://web.archive.org/web/20180906063040/http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/09/03/viral-momo-suicide-game-blamed-for-deaths-boy-16-and-girl-12-reports-say.amp.html

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begome wesdern ride ordodox! :DDDDDDDDDDDD

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Cool Christian Symbology

I'm seriously looking into getting a custom tank drum, mostly for meditative purposes (though not in the New Age way that may imply), but most default designs are either extremely feminine or heathen. I have the option to put something custom on there, but it's tough, I need something that can be reasonably vectored that looks good. I was thinking maybe some sort of Christian overlay, but it's hard to find something meaningful that would look good. Best idea I have so far is just a stylized Jerusalem cross of some kind, but that doesn't quite match the tone of the instrument, anything a bit more detailed/contemplative in tone?

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Miaphysite Thread

I've been seeing some threads on Oriental Orthodoxy lately so I'd just though we should have a thread about it since I have experience with it.

Oriental Orthodox are Miaphysites not Monophysites. Miaphysitism teaches that Christ's hypostases (God and human essences) are mia physis (one nature) without mixture, without confusion, and without alteration but completely inseparable. This term was first used by St. Cyril of Alexandria and can be found in extensive areas of his own literature as well as in the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus of 431 A.D.

This link:

http://britishorthodox.org/glastonburyreview/issue-112-the-oriental-orthodox-rejection-of-chalcedon/

explains the reasons that the Oriental Orthodox reject Chalcedon which include perceived Nestorianism and perceived abuse of authority.

Rules ITT:

>1. No accusing Oriental Orthodox of the Monophysite/Eutychian doctrine since the Oriental Orthodox Church firmly rejects this heresy.

>2. Debate over Chalcedon all you want but please be respectful.

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Is it all over for the Episcopal Church? Can they even be called a "church" anymore?

https://religionnews.com/2018/09/04/a-transgender-priest-finds-a-new-life-helping-others-on-the-margins/

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Paul movie

Did anyone end-up seeing this?

Did anyone enjoy it?

Did anyone else find it surprisingly less Christian than they thought it would be?

>Luke/Jim Caviezel says "My God" at one stage

>feeling underwhelmed by the portrayed faith of the people given it's only been ~30 years since Christ

Haven't gotten to the end, but … am I pre-judging too early, or is it more faithful to "those days before everyone had a Bible" feel?

What do folks think?

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Is there a Protestant denomination that:

1) Does not believe the universe was literally created in 6 days

but also

2) Does not let or is not about to let two men get "married" in their church? Bonus for no women usurping authority over men.

Can't get over the praying to saints thing.

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I'm a Jew, but recently I've become attracted to Christianity. What are some compelling arguments for the truth of Christ? What other advice do you have for me?

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The absolute state of Catholicism!

These are the articles at the front page of uscatholic.org .

Notice anything?

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>christian films are cheesey

*teleports behind you*

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Is it wrong to want a wife at 18 years of age?

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Priest faces rape charge ahead of papal visit…

A Latvian Catholic priest has been arrested on rape allegations, and a second man was also arrested on suspicion of trafficking in the case, which has shocked the Blatic state as it prepares to receive Pope Francis

http://web.archive.org/web/20180906033224/https://www.france24.com/en/20180905-latvian-priest-faces-rape-charge-ahead-papal-visit

A Latvian Catholic priest has been arrested on allegations he raped a mentally handicapped victim of human trafficking, police in the capital Riga said Wednesday ahead of a papal visit. A second man was also arrested on suspicion of trafficking in the case, which has shocked the Baltic state as it prepares to receive Pope Francis from September 22. "One of the suspects 'delivered' the defenceless victim for a fee, the church representative, who was the end buyer, paid the fee and then committed violent sexual crimes against the victim," said Armands Lubarts, chief of a police task force on human trafficking and pimping. The priest, identified as Pavels Zeila, 73, served in the Aglona Rezekne diocese in eastern Latvia, which is to host Pope Francis during his four-day tour of the three Baltic states.

Zeila's lawyer flatly denied the allegations and the Catholic diocese of Rezekne said Zeila must be presumed innocent. The allegations are the latest to hit the Catholic Church, which was rocked last month by a devastating US report into child sex abuse accusing more than 300 "predator" priests of abusing more than 1,000 children over seven decades in the state of Pennsylvania. The pope has sharpened his criticism on the explosive issue – but he remains under pressure to make far-reaching changes. Zeila faces up to 20 years in prison if found guilty of sex abuse, while the other suspect could be sentenced to 12 years if convicted of human trafficking.

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Anyone want to explain this?

Exodus 20:4

> You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

And

Numbers 21:8-9

>8 Then the Lord said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

And finally

2 Kings 18:4

>4 He removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made; for until those days the children of Israel burned incense to it, and called it Nehushtan.

So essentially, God gave Moses a commandment not to make any graven images, then a few years later told Moses to make a graven image that would heal people if the looked at it. A little while after that, the Children of Israel are worshipping that graven image, but God must have seen that coming. So what's going on here?

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How do I not fall for the harlots? The girls who emotionally manipulate you? What are the redflags? I really don't want to have to resort to reading theredpill. I have been bullied by girls all my life and I can't trust them. I'm a beta. Girls get mean if I ignore them. OH IT@S JUST TOO MUCH> HELP ME

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I officially want to stop masturbating, it says nothing of it in the bible, but I want to quit. Only church cannon dictates anything about masturbation, the rest is interpretation.

Please pray with me

Father, as I enter into this jesus prayer period, I ask humbly for your mercy and strength so I stop continuing to do the things I do that displease you in your sight amen. Help me and all others this day to stop masturbating, in jesus name, amen.

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Call to end religious public broadcasting in Belgium after 'woman-unfriendly' Bible reading…

The New Testament reading, from Ephesians 5.22 - 33, included the line “Women, be submissive to your husband as the husband to the Lord."

http://archive.today/2018.09.04-235900/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/04/call-end-religious-public-broadcasting-belgium-woman-unfriendly/

An onscreen Bible reading which demanded women be submissive to their husbands has sparked calls to end religious broadcasting on public television in Belgium. The New Testament reading, from Ephesians 5.22 - 33, was broadcast on radio and Flemish TV station VRT from a Catholic mass in the town of Grimbergen. A lay reader said, “Women, be submissive to your husband as the husband to the Lord. For the man is the head of the woman as Christ is the head of the church.” Sven Gatz, the media minister for the Dutch-speaking Belgian region of Flanders who represents the Flemish liberal party, tweeted: “No outdated, woman-unfriendly statements … please. What if, for example, an imam would have said this?” He told newspaper Het Nieuwsblad: “The fact that they come from an old book is not an argument for letting them go to our people. This is not of this time, and that it is broadcast on the VRT for the whole of Flanders is already completely crazy.”

Mr Gatz has been unsuccessfully calling for the end of Songs of Praise-style programmes at the taxpayer’s expense since last year, but he now hopes the controversy will reignite the debate and insists different solutions could be found for religious people who are unable to attend mass. “I want to examine all the technical possibilities to give these people their weekly celebration. But this cannot be an argument to keep these broadcasts, at the expense of the taxpayer," he said. VRT said it had “no problem” with its broadcasts leading to debate and discussion, while the Dutch Bible Society, which has Flemish members, said that the reading had been taken out of context. “The contested statement is preceded by a very different sentence: ‘Accept each other’s authority out of respect for Christ’. This indicates that this is a very different matter than legitimisation of the oppression of women by men,” a spokesman for the society said.

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Fornication and sinful friends

Please help me because I am rather lost… similar experiences wise. On the the topic on fornication in particular and moreso the incredibly sinful nature of this entire generation of millenials, Gen Z, etc, my peers, if you will, I am very disillusioned and baffled on the whole zeitgeist and I hope people will recognize what I'm talking about.

I am rather well adjusted, not very autistic at all considering I'm on an imageboard, not an extremely social person but I'm only a very young man and only fear that I personally could not blossom into anything more without said peers to have a support system around. I, currently, as I suspect many of you are doing so, live without barely to no support at all, especially on theological grounds. Our society, as you are well aware, is so secular, so depressingly sinful it is hard to bear, but it is harder to bear and live a normal life still. Of course we choose God and less sinful lifestyles as a result, yet I don't know about you guys, I feel downright ostricized for my doing so. If I try to socialise with my peers or even long time friends, eventually, sooner or later, we hit a wall. Namely, which girls we've winnie the poohed. After this comes up in conversation, it soon becomes clear I'm not smart at picking up girls like they are, and it becomes even clearer that I am to be avoided from there on out. Yes I am still a virgin and no I am not underage. The whole process of talking down whatever friends your with in order to impress some chick… going through their social media and discussing the tactics needed to bed her with other guys watching your phone and laughing about it… even sending her memes asking for nudes or absolutely retarded shit like that… I've seen it work… and with the exception of the sending memes thing, I've seen grown men I admire pull this crap off… and frankly it's very disheartening and kind of scary, i.e. the thought that I'm either gonna have to be like this or face serious ostracization…

Of course the matter wouldn't be so grave if my age and place in life didn't have anything to do with it, and I wouldn't be forced into changing my ways in order to recieve even the most basic respect and friendship that is a complete given to the people I see in school that don't care for me at all based on this very idea, which I know because I noticed my relationship with those people bleed to death after their noticing this previously mentioned wall. Does anyone else have any similar experiences or advice?

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POPE CALLS FOR SILENCE!

Pope Francis has so far refused to respond to allegations made last month that he for years covered up sexual abuse allegations against a prominent US cardinal

http://archive.today/2018.09.03-144314/https://www.yahoo.com/news/under-attack-pope-calls-silence-prayer-140408631.html?guccounter=1

Vatican City (AFP) - Pope Francis on Monday said "silence and prayer" were the answer to those seeking "scandal and division", amid a barrage of attacks from ultra-conservative Catholics. The pope has so far refused to respond to allegations made last month that he for years covered up sexual abuse allegations against a prominent US cardinal. "With people who lack goodwill, with people who seek only scandal, who seek only division, who seek only destruction, even within the family: (there is nothing but) silence. And prayer," Francis said during a service at St Martha's, the boarding house where he stays.

Among some ultra-conservative Catholics, the pope is regarded as a dangerous progressive who is more interested in social issues than traditional Church matters. His comments came after Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, a former Vatican envoy to Washington, claimed in August that Francis ignored sexual abuse allegations against US cardinal Theodore McCarrick for five years. The timing of the letter's release – right in the middle of Francis's landmark trip to Ireland – immediately raised speculation about a campaign against the Argentine pontiff. But so far, Francis has remained silent, refusing to address the allegations and saying only that Vigano's missive "speaks for itself". On Saturday, Vigano launched a fresh attack, accusing the pope of knowing full well that he was meeting an arch-conservative opposed to gay marriage during a 2015 visit to the United States. The Vatican said at the time that the pope met Kim Davis, a Kentucky clerk who has refused to sign gay marriage certificates, during a reception along with 'dozens of other guests' at the embassy in Washington.

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if israel changed its flag and stopped taking money from other country's and started being christian would you still hate it?

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Can I "pray the gay away"?

So, I'm a 19 year old boy who was solely attracted to girls, but has developed an attraction to femboys after years of viewing pornography. Is it possible for myself to be rid of homolust through prayer (and/or other spiritual means) or is it now a new form of lust that I must struggle with?

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>This is the face of the Youtube ((Skeptic)) community

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Was he in the wrong?

I know protestant pastors are very forward and informal because they aren't actual clergy, but this seems inappropriate.

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Jonathan Kleck

Hey what is /christian/'s opinion on Jonathan Kleck?

One of the allegations that he pointed out is that the basilica is an actual basilisk and that pictures of lambs with their tongues sticking out can be found on mary statues.

also, he says some pretty weird stuff like all of humanity are fallen angels that need to be redeemed. Peter being crucified upside down is also important because WE have been turned upside down and we need to be re-aligned before we die.

>Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Isaiah 29:16

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Proverbs 5:18-19

Let your fountain be blessed,

and rejoice in the wife of your youth,

a lovely deer, a graceful doe.

Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight;

be intoxicated always in her love.

Is this about actual women and their breasts or is wife a metaphor for Church/Wisdom or something else?

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Are Catholic priests allowed to run for political office?

I heard a local priest is running for the state council here. I know many protestant preachers run in elections, but what is the Catholic stance on this?

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I'm interested in fully converting to Christianity, mainly orthodoxy, but I can't get my trust over figures such as Constantine. There's archaeological and other sources that show that this man influenced Christianity, yet was still a pagan in his beliefs. Some even say he created Christianity in order to control others.

I don't believe it was his creation, but I have been seriously questioning the trustworthiness of figures such as Constantine.

There are also some claims that there are figures such as Origen of Alexandria, who had "solid evidence" that reincarnation was in the Bible, but his evidence was declared heretical by Justinian, and all evidence was burnt. I first heard this and had a sort of red flag vibe. What did Origen do that was so bad?

Not giving up, but I really would like to hear any solid defenses on such historical figures. And refutation of the claims I list.

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Important questions

Okay /christian/ I need an explanation on this.

God created space,other worlds right?. So why did he place adam and eve on a world where satan was casted onto?. Seeing as mankind's downfall started with the snake (satan) tricking eve to eat from the tree of both good and evil then why didn't god just chose a different planet that was far away from satan?

Also on the topic of other beings. is it a good thing in the bible if there were hypothetically other bieng's than us inhabiting other planets?

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I'm the same guy who posts questions that could be troll posts and says I am not trolling, or something with a similar meaning. I am not trolling you. I'm curious to your beliefs as to why god is not even slightly evil if he controls everything and evil happens. I mean, according to the Bible he caused the fall of Lucifer and the falls of Adam and Eve. So, tell me /christian/ how do you reconcile these beliefs and (I don't know what to exactly call them, the "I mean, according to the Bible he caused the fall of Lucifer and the falls of Adam and Eve." so I'll call it:) information?

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To all the volcels and incels here, remember it will be YOU will have the last laugh as all the roasties will go to the Lake of Fire as you will be the judge and here’s why:

Luke 20:42-43

>For David himself says in the book of Psalms: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”’

1 Corinthians 6:2-3

>Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Revelation 3:9

>Look at those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead. I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and they will know that I love you.

Revelations 14:1-5

>Then I looked, and behold, [a]a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Also remember that roasties tend to either become lonely cat ladies, single mothers, or sucide once they hit the wall

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Francis urges action – on plastic…

Pope calls plastics littering oceans an ‘emergency’

http://archive.today/2018.09.03-024748/https://apnews.com/9c85604728bd4065a9d759b811b6da92/Pope-decries-

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday called for concrete action to combat the “emergency” of plastics littering seas and oceans, lamenting the lack of effective regulation to protect the world’s waters. Building on his papacy’s concern for the environment, Francis issued a message aimed at galvanizing Christians and others to commit to saving what he hails as the “impressive and marvelous,” God-given gift of the “great waters and all they contain.”

“Sadly, all too often many efforts fail due to the lack of effective regulation and means of control, particularly with regard to the protection of marine areas beyond national confines,” the pope wrote. “We cannot allow our seas and oceans to be littered by endless fields of floating plastic,” Francis said. “Here, too, our active commitment is needed to confront this emergency.”

Francis recommended a two-pronged approach, saying: “We need to pray as if everything depended on God’s providence and work as if everything depended on us.” He also denounced as “unacceptable” the privatization of water resources at the expense of the “human right to have access to this good.” With countries from Italy to Australia promoting policies to thwart migrants from arriving by sea, Francis prayed that “waters may not be a sign of separation of peoples, but of encounter for the human community.”

“Let us pray that those who risk their lives at sea in search of a better future may be kept safe,” Francis added. Malta and Italy have recently cracked down on charity-run boats which aim to rescue migrants from smugglers’ unseaworthy boats. Other European Union nations, such as Hungary and Poland, have refused to share the burden of caring for some of the hundreds of thousands of asylum-seekers who reached the continent’s southern shores in recent years. Francis didn’t single out any countries. Instead, he directed part of his message to all politicians having to tackle migration and climate change, appealing for them to apply “generous and farsighted responsibility.”

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Jews planning to improve Poland. T

their changes include destroying Catholic influence, sending millions of jews to Poland, giving all immigrants immediate citizenship, and officially having Hebrew as a second language.

thought you might like this.

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>Be gaytheist

>Claim to be a free thinker

>Believe in scientific (((studies))) like a good goy

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Hey, /christian/. I'm not trying to troll you, I just was wondering where all the flood water went from the flood during the time of Noah. Any ideas?

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I will never find the right denomination.

>mfw

What do, brothers?

I've been stressing with this for a long time.

Orthodoxy seems reasonable, but I'm sometimes leaning towards sola scriptura and I find saint's intercession and icons a sort of bad practice.

I don't yet fully understand what happens after death. Some say heaven or hell, others say purgatory, others claim deep sleep until the resurrection day, others that the soul gets destroyed…. and every single one of them refers to the same Bible as proof for their very different opinions.

And this is just a single part of uncertainty I have. I wish I could have a vision from the times of the apostles or something and just witness exactly how they did Church…

Christ said the gates of hell would not prevail against it, but which doctrine am I to believe in? I don't want to believe in my own interpretation… I'm not infallible, I want to believe the absolute truth…

Please help however you can. I'm losing hope really hard…

I ruled Catholicism out completely, although it seems like the easiest Church to attend

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This man will be the next Pope. How does this make you feel?

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Struggling with the desires of Flesh and the World

How do i overcome this? I feel as though i have forfeited my own life by not partaking in worldliness. All my friends around me have material gain and women whilst im poor and destitute, clinging to my bible reciting the Jesus prayer just to get a decent sleep.

I feel as though ive cursed myself for taking up the cross and trying to follow Christ. Even when i have tried to turn to the world and follow its ways Ive always failed miserably, and its lusts eluded my grasp. I am a piss poor excuse as a Christian and i don't know where to turn or what to do. I feel as though good will never vindicate me in this life and the world is just a hat trick.

Have any of you ever struggled with this and overcome it?

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Indian Orthodox

I am without a car, and the closest Church to me within walking distance is an Indian orthodox church. I am not Indian or Orthodox but i keep making the excuse of Church being too far away, so i think it would be a good idea to get rid of that excuse and just go to the closest church.

Does anyoanyonanyoanyone have any experience with this church or Indians orwhat I should expect?

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Should I become Catholic, Lutheran, or Orthodox?

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Real Lourdes water

For those interested , these people can send holy Lourdes water everywhere in the world http://www.lourdes-water.org

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It has begun.

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Yahweh vs Baal

Conspiritards always say they are essentially the same, ITT we discuss why they're not.

>Yahweh: God of absolutely everything, no beginning

>Baal: god of crops and rain, born from the union of his mother and Dagon

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angelic original sin

Why didn't Satan's sin spread throughout all angels and make them mortal and degenerate and ruin their world, like Eve's sin spread to us and fractured our world?

Or did it? Are angels mortal and is their heaven full of suffering?

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Pope Francis does not view homosexuality as a disease, Vatican says…

Vatican clarifies Pope Francis comments on psychiatric help for gay children, did not intend to suggest homosexuality was a 'mental illness'

http://archive.today/2018.08.29-030145/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/pope-francis-homosexuality-gay-children-psychiatry-vatican-catholic-church-a8510721.html

The Vatican has tried to row back a suggestion by Pope Francis that parents should seek psychiatric help for their gay children. During a press conference aboard a flight from Ireland to Rome, Francis was asked what he would say to parents whose children were gay. The pontiff told journalists: “When it shows itself from childhood, there is a lot that can be done through psychiatry, to see how things are. It is something else if it shows itself after 20 years.” But when the Holy See’s official news website published details of the interaction, the line was not included. Vatican News reported the pontiff had also said he would encourage parents “to pray, to not condemn, to dialogue, to make room” for their offspring, and that ignoring the child would be an error.

A Vatican spokeswoman claimed the omission was made to avoid changing “the thoughts of the Holy Father”. She told the Agence France-Presse news agency: “When the pope referred to ‘psychiatry’, it is clear that he was doing it to highlight an example of ‘things that can be done’. But with that word he didn’t mean to say that [homosexuality] was a ‘mental illness’.” Francis’ remarks attracted condemnation from Colm O’Gorman, the executive director of Amnesty International in Ireland and a survivor of clerical abuse. “He is basically saying that young gay people can be changed, which is archaic and has been refuted numerous times,” he told The Times.

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Can someone explain to me what happens in Heaven? My philipino girlfriend who is baptist is claiming that when we're in heaven we spend an eternity worshiping God and if we were married and saw each other we wouldn't talk to each other or hug or anything. I'm not asking for lewdz but I feel like not talking to her would make me sad.

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>Be Latin

>Lump together Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Mary of Egypt, and the prostitute that anointed Christ's feet together as one person

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Has psychology replaced "morality" in our society?

I've noticed a few things latley

-People must accept what psychology says is healthy, if not than they are crazy or toxic (which has becom a buzzword)

-Relationships are no longer about kindness, forgiveness, loving like Christ did, but about being "healthy" and "nontoxic"

-Psychology now says being gay, transgender, or whatever kind of bizarre fetish you have is actually "healthy" therefore society is now embracing these things.

-Depression, anger, anxiety, all things people used to pray about are now illnesses you need to see a pyschologist for

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Hey guys

I'm thinking about becoming Catholic or eastern orthodox but need evidence for two specific theological beliefs before I can take the first step. One, the bread and wine are the literal body and blood of Christ and two that Peter is the rock of Matthew 16 as well as this succession applying *Only* to the bishops of rome.

Also, can you explain to me how the Eucharist can be a propitiatory sacrifice when Christ's death on the cross was a once and for all sacrifice? If the sacrifice of Christ must be repeatedly made present then does that not go against Hebrews 10:1-3?

<1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming-not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.But

it has always seemed like a distinction without difference to me.

Also, I am looking into eastern orthodoxy and so you can state your reasons why you think the rock of Matthew 16 isn't Peter or doesn't applies to the bishop of rome alone.

Some background, I'm a Calvinist but I've read Augustine's work as well as Aquinas' writings on predestination and I feel like there is some room for reconciliation. I've read all of the apostolic writers leading up to Irenaeus and I really enjoyed reading Justin martyr. But again, these are the two subjects that will help with my spiritual journey.But

I'll only be asking questions in this thread and not actually debate or anything and am looking for a fruitful and charitable discussion.

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So now that the dust has settled and the gates of hell have prevailed against the Catholic church, where is the true church?

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Should the Old Testament be ignored in favor of the New Testament?

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Is the media being light on Francis

Ben Shapiro blasts media coverage of the Catholic sex abuse scandal. He suggests that the leftist media is shielding Francis because they like his generally liberal positions.

He points out that if Benedict or John Paul were still in power, the media would have started a firestorm over this because they don't like their conservative social positions. Since the media likes Francis and his liberal environmental and social positions, they are doing everything they can to protect him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYdQLIpHQdM

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Thoughts on r/DeusVult?

I stumbled across this sub, r/DeusVult, about a week ago, and they linked here. I was wondering what y'all thought of it.

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SEXUAL ABUSE DISCUSSION THREAD

In light of all the breaking news within the last few weeks regarding to major sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church, I think it would be best to make a discussion thread specifically for this topic so we can post news links or articles on any updates that come in.

Hopefully the mods anchor this thread or make it cycle.

The fact that the Pope himself likely had a role in covering up sexual abuse makes this the biggest scandal in the modern history of the Roman Catholic Church. Very sad. We must pray.

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>We'd rather go to jail than snitch on our brothers

What did they mean by this?

>The church holds the seal of confession to be inviolable, on pain of excommunication, and some Australian priests have said they would rather go to jail than break it. They argue that mandatory reporting risks making children less safe by discouraging abusers from admitting crimes in the confessional. It is also impractical, they say, because priests often don’t know the identity of those confessing.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/australian-bishops-reject-reporting-sexual-abuse-revealed-in-confession-1535703402

lmao I forgot you guys do "anonymous confession"…We do ours face to face, last time I did mine people were only a few steps behind me and the priest, they could probably hear what I was saying if I wasn't whispering

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How do I deal with a nagging mother? I am 18 and live at home and I just have a big ego and can't stand her shouting and telling me what to do.

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Contraception

Are most Christians Ok with contraception these days? I find it hard to believe that suddenly after 1900 years we discover that it is totally OK to use it. On the other hand, nowadays we know of for example conditions that can put the mother at risk (but abstaining completely from sex in a marriage seems…weird).

The Church Fathers however seem very clear on the issue:

Clement of Alexandria

"Because of its divine institution for the propagation of man, the seed is not to be vainly ejaculated, nor is it to be damaged, nor is it to be wasted" (The Instructor of Children 2:10:91:2 [A.D. 191]).

"To have coitus other than to procreate children is to do injury to nature" (ibid. 2:10:95:3).

Lactantius

"God gave us eyes not to see and desire pleasure, but to see acts to be performed for the needs of life; so too, the genital ['generating'] part of the body, as the name itself teaches, has been received by us for no other purpose than the generation of offspring" (Divine Institutes 6:23:18 [A.D. 307]).

John Chrysostom

"ln truth, all men know that they who are under the power of this disease [the sin of covetousness] are wearied even of their father's old age [wishing him to die so they can inherit]; and that which is sweet and universally desirable, the having of children, they esteem grievous and unwelcome. Many at least with this view have even paid money to be childless, and have mutilated nature, not only killing the newborn, but even acting to prevent their beginning to live [sterilization]" (Homilies on Matthew 28:5 [A.D. 391]).

"Why do you sow where the field is eager to destroy the fruit, where there are medicines of sterility [oral contraceptives], where there is murder before birth?. . . Indeed, it is something worse than murder, and I do not know what to call it; for she does not kill what is formed but prevents its formation. What then? Do you condemn the gift of God and Fight with his [natural] laws?" (Homilies on Romans 24 [A.D. 391]).

Augustine

"This proves that you [Manicheans] approve of having a wife, not for the procreation of children, but for the gratification of passion. In marriage, as the marriage law declares, the man and woman come together for the procreation of children. Therefore, whoever makes the procreation of children a greater sin than copulation, forbids marriage and makes the woman not a wife but a mistress, who for some gifts presented to her, is joined to the man to gratify his passion" (The Morals of the Manichees 18:65 [A.D. 388]).

"You [Manicheans] make your auditors adulterers of their wives when they take care lest the women with whom they copulate conceive. They take wives according to the laws of matrimony by tablets announcing that the marriage is contracted to procreate children; and then, fearing because of your [religious] law [against childbearing] . . . they copulate in a shameful union only to satisfy lust for their wives. They are unwilling to have children, on whose account alone marriages are made. How is it, then, that you are not those prohibiting marriage, as the apostle predicted of you so long ago [I Tim. 4:1-4], when you try to take from marriage what marriage is? When this is taken away, husbands are shameful lovers, wives are harlots, bridal chambers are brothels, fathers-in-law are pimps." (Against Faustus 15:7 [A.D. 400]).

"For thus the eternal law, that is, the will of God creator of all creatures, taking counsel for the conservation of natural order, not to serve lust, but to see to the preservation of the race, permits the delight of mortal flesh to be released from the control of reason in copulation only to propagate progeny" (ibid. 22:30).

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Incessant Apostasy

>think i'm officially 'finished' with Christianity

>stray for a few days, my life goes to hell in the meantime

>i come back every time, feeling like shit

>keep on doing it

Why do I do this to myself? What can I do to kill doubt?

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Divine simplicity

Very recently I've been thinking about divine simplicity quite a bit and at first it did seem like a solid bit of biblical philosophy to me. But after looking into it more I've found that I in fact disagree with it for not only being unbiblical but also due to the fact that it's derived from the philosophy of man. After looking into eastern orthodoxy I was surprised to learn that they too deny this scholastic definition of God and this has kinda attracted me towards them. The hardest part about giving up divine simplicity was admitting that Aquinas got something wrong. Although I'm a protestant, I've always looked up to him.

Can we have a divine simplicity discussion thread. I wanna talk about why I disagree with it from a biblical basis and see how Catholics, protestants and eastern orthodox might respond or help me understand this theological belief better.

Also, pic related is one of the reasons why I deny divine simplicity but we'll get to that later

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New Christian Australian PM

Funny story, /christian/ – Australian has a new Prime Minister. He's a Pentecostal Christian.

What do you think of that?

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Defense of Limited atonement

I'm gonna make a long post trying to prove particular redemption or better known as limited atonement.

One bit of scripture that first caught my eye during my early days as a reformed christian was Luke 15:4:

What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?

It basically a metaphor of how God will never fail to save all of his sheep. But who are his sheep? We see in Matthew 25:33-34 those who are his sheep will inherit the kingdom of God. They are the ones who are blessed and are prepared since the foundation of the world!

Now one thing we must understand about sheeps is that sheeps cannot choose their owners. Sheeps simply exist and follow commands of their shepherds. A sheep does not have the freedom or even the mental capacity to choose or deny his master or even to obey or disobey his shepherd. Now what does this say about the sheep of christs?

We see in John 10:15 christ lays down his life for his sheep. Now if you come with the wrong presupposition then that can badly affect your reading of the text. A lot of people who "assume" that christ died for everyone in the world by misinterpreting key pieces of scripture. But read what the bible says. "he lays down his life for his sheep."

But who are the sheep? If the sheep is everyone in the world then that would mean that everyone is going to heaven because christ wouldn't even let one of his sheeps get away as previously stated from Luke 15:4. Also, realise how it is the shepherd that goes after the sheep, not the sheep seeing and finding the shepherd since sheeps are not made with this ability. This perfectly line with what pauls says in romans:

As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; There is no one who understands; no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.

Romans 3:10-12

Now, here are a couple verses I really want you guys to think about:

>So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

John 10:24-28

Could the Jews truly say Christ died for their sins? Could they really believe that they had hope of salvation of they were not even of a part of Christ's flock? Clearly salvation is not meant for all.

So who are the reprobate? They are the goats of Matthew 25:31-46, they are the pigs mentioned in Luke 15:11-32 and they are the ones who God hates before they were even conceived as stated in Romans 9:11-13

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What is war good for?

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Climate change and protecting migrants is more important than anything else the church is dealing with.

Let that sink in.

Climate change.

Protecting migrants.

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Confess.

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I can't convert anyone to Christianity because I'm basically retarded and my conversion was mostly subjective and not dialectic. It was very much "my sheep hear my voice" sort of reasoning…not A + B therefore C reasoning.

My conversion was based on finding answers to these basic questions:

Who is God (besides ultimate transcendent power)?

How should I pray?

How do I live the good life?

So I just assumed the bible is correct because it gave me reasonable answers to these questions.

But I don't know how to persuade others to take Christianity seriously because my conversion isn't based on empirical/historical/logical persuasion. Some people appeal to the prophecies of the bible as validating it, or its historical pedigree and martyrs, etc…but none of that convinced me personally.

I don't go around trying to convert people, but sometimes co-workers or friends will joke about Christianity and how its stuck in the dark ages and superstitious for believing in spirits/judgement/angels….and I'm not sure how to approach this.

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>There is a subtext of Christian allegory in Blade Runne regarding Roy forgivingness of humanity

>Near the end of blade runner Roy creates a stigma by driving a nail into his hand, and becomes a Christ-like figure by sacrificing himself for Deckard. Upon his death a dove appears to symbolise Roy's soul ascending into the heavens.

>Robocop a Christ metaphor

>Ghost is used as a political correct term for souls in Ghost in the shell

>Ghost in the shell is no stranger to Referencing Genesis

Why is cyberpunk full of Christian symbolism and themes?

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Almost everyone I encounter on here is either Catholic, Orthodox, or Baptist. I just want to see which is the biggest of the three.

https://www.strawpoll.me/16357609

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Soul

What is a soul?

How does it smell like?

What does it look like?

Is it made by the parents of a being or its always there eternally like the easterners say?

How do you know its true?

Does the soul remember the memories of the life he had before?

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One less bleeing heart in the pews

Apparently the popular internet blogger J.S. Park left the evangelical church because the people in the pews were not outraged over the fake news stories about "muh poor illegal immigrant families"

https://archive.fo/4RcI3

Why are so many people falling for this story in the church? And more importantly (for this board), why do they misuse the name of Jesus in order to make their homeland less safe?

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Bishop Steven Lopes

https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1034928586497642498?s=12

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What is hell?

Where is it now?