No.4411
Does anyone here on /film/ think certain animated works are worthy topics of discussion? Work like pics related
or am I better off at /ani/?
No.4412
And also:
No.4413
Yeah, go for it
No.4455
do Japonese Animation counts?
I really like My Neighbors the Yamada.
No.4460
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I like this one. It looks like it could be an anime, and if you search the net you'll find a lot of Japanes comments on it. But it's actually a rare Italian cartoon with music by Morricone and Alessandroni.
No.4468
I wish Katsuhiro Otomo would direct more anime. Ever since Satoshi Kon died, there hasn't been much good.
No.4469
Persepolis was a shitty movie but god damn it was animated beautifully
No.4471
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>>4455
>do Japonese Animation counts?
I'd say so. But I see there's already an anime thread: >>1208
What's the best Ralph Bakshi project? I haven't seen Fritz the Cat. His other stuff can be pretty good, but often a little flawed in some way.
American Pop and Fire and Ice are probably my favourites. It would have been nice if he finished Lord of the Rings.
No.4472
>>4468
I agree Akira is one of the few Japanese animated movies I enjoy that sequence where the protesters flee a raid whilst "Tokyo shoe shine boy" is playing, the most.
>>4469
Intriguing, what didn't you like about it? Did you watch the English or original version? And I agree the animation was ace, hand drawn as well
>>4471
I've never seen his stuff, I never liked the animation, It always seemed too real. If you had to recommend one what would it be
No.4475
>>4472
I'd recommend American Pop. It's one of his better efforts in terms of story and visuals. A lot of it is rotoscoped, but with Bakshi that's hard to get away from.
On a side note, though his films have flaws to them in a lot of cases, I'm glad that he had the balls to get them made. His use of rotoscoping was more a budget thing than a try for realism.
No.4478
>>4472
>>4475
Yeah Bakshi is interesting for what he attempted even if it didn't always work perfectly.
I guess I should revisit Coonskin. For some reason I never finished watching it. My mistake was expecting it to be horribly offensive. But then it wasn't, so I was almost let down… :/
No.4490
I'd never noticed this before but I like this observation:
There's a dreadful paucity of ideas on Saturday morning television that really drives me nuts. I really object to the idea in those Saturday morning shows that the only way we can solve problems is in groups. Our whole history has evolved from individuals, not from group behavior.
– Chuck Jones, 1989
No.4493
>>4471
The full movie is on youtube.
No.4506
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Any love for Feherlofia(1981)? IMO it's absolutely unique, fun to watch and has an art style that goes hand in hand with the subject matter. It's a great example of what can be done in animation given a capable artist.
Marcell Jankovics(the director) also recently finished an animated film based on Imre Madach's The Tragedy of Man(a Hungarian answer to Paradise Lost, it seems), but I haven't been able to find a good copy online, nor does it seem easily available.
No.4512
>>4506
YES, thank you. I've been wanting to see that for a long time.
No.4516
>>4512
Yeah, what happened to that film? There seemed to be some minor fanfare online, it was shown in a festival or two, then it was never heard from again. I managed to find a dl of it, but it was in such low resolution i might as well not bother. Pity, as I find Jankovics's stuff really interesting. I'd love for there to be a collection of his and Pannonia studio's work.
No.4517
>>4516
I would think it would be given a cult classic status due to the fact alone the he spent 25 years on it. I guess it's the fact that nobody knows about it but that sort of dedication and talent put in to creating an epic dream film should stem some curiosity on online animation communities.
Also his short Sisyphus is fantastic.
No.4518
No.4522
>>4518
What is it? I do not have karagarga. Looking at other threads, it seems like it's a good resource.
No.4528
Oh, also check out The Secret Adventures of Tom Thumb(1993).
It uses a mix of stop motion and pixillation(stop-mo human actors) to great effect. It's fucking grotesque and disturbing, but quite pretty and touching in places.
No.4530
>>4522
yeah, it's a torrent site for rare films
Tragedy of Man is also here: https://hdclub.org/details.php?id=15358
But that's a scene rip, so the one at KG might be marginally better
No.4540
>>4530
Hey cheers,man! This is great! I love this board!
No.4558
>>4528
fucking hell this is off-putting, but I will persevere through it
I know this one is a little pleb but I was absolutely taken away by the sheer beauty of Song of the sea. It's pure visual poetry, Tomm Moore really has crafted something magnificent here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W8k0q6Du2w
great soundtrack too
No.4938
I have some Popeye DVDs and it's funny how many content warnings get slapped on a simple vintage cartoon.
First on the back of the box it says: POPEYE THE SAILOR 1933-1938 VOLUME ONE IS INTENDED FOR THE ADULT COLLECTOR AND MAY NOT BE SUITABLE FOR CHILDREN. I'd like to know about all the kids that were emotionally damaged from watching Popeye, a cartoon made for kids?
Then there's a stern warning screen when you watch the discs about "ETHNIC, SEXIST AND RACIAL PREJUDICES" that "WERE WRONG THEN AND ARE WRONG TODAY". Again it seems a little overblown – especially if only adults are supposed to watch – but I guess this sort of thing is required to cover their asses. At least they didn't cut anything out.
No.4941
>>4938
>WERE WRONG THEN AND ARE WRONG TODAY
Genuinely Orwellian
No.4942
>>4941
Yeah, it could be worded a bit differently. Curious that there aren't any disclaimers about smoking while we're at it. These kinds of controversies happen a lot with older media intended for kids, though(why do i feel like the term "intended for kids" devalues these shorts?).
No.4951
Check out Piotr Kamler's Chronopolis(1982). It's an…interesting watch. It's about a mountain climber who is transported to a city of immortal god-like beings who spend their time manipulating matter into strange shapes. There is no dialogue, and the soundtrack is composed entirely of odd sounds and music that seem taken out of the Radiophonic Workshop. I'm not sure i like it as a film, but it's worth a watch for the design and mood alone.
No.5338
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Mickey's Trailer (1938)
A personal favorite of mine to get everyone in the mood for summer vacation :D
No.5387
>>5338
Yeah that's a cool one.
Speaking of Disney I tried Mickey Mouse Monopoly expecting an exposé of their obnoxious lobbying for perpetual copyright. I'm still looking for such a documentary because the title was misleading. It was actually a bunch of pearl-clutching professors of _____ studies lamenting the racial/gender portrayals in Disney entertainment … aka fairy tales. Sigh.
Anyway, if you know of any good Disney-related copyright docs, lemme know.
No.5446
>>4558
I wish so badly he'd just make an adult (not lewd or necessarily even harsh, just not aimed towards kids) animated film, that way he could actually get writers on it and make a good film and not just a good kid's film.
No.5457
>>5446
I can empathize with that. There needs to be more animated movies aimed at adult audiences in general, just animated movies that deal with more mature themes.
And why aren't there? Is there just not an audience for it?
No.5458
I've heard that French animation can be pretty worthwhile, but I have absolutely no idea where to start (not counting Persepolis, which is part Iranian). What films or directors would you recommend?
No.5459
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>>5458
Rene Laloux is the most obvious place to start with French animation – his big three are Fantastic Planet, Time Masters, Gandahar. And why not mention Georges Meiles too. A lot of his pioneering effects involved animation.
The embedded trailer for Chronopolis (released in France by a Polack) should spark your interest.
It could be a nostalgia thing but I have a soft spot for Lucky Luke. How many other chainsmoking cartoons are there? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke6JNVK3AWQ
A recent big budget release is Le tableau: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnO_ZfFmAKw
Telechat is a sort of weird Sesame Street (needs subtitles though): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjTUzjyuj08
No.5460
>>5459
Laloux is a great start! I'm going to suggest The Triplets of Belleville and The Illusionist by Sylvain Chomet(Triplets is definitely a good start, such a creative film).
No.5474
>>4471
Ive recently rewatched Wizards and it didnt strike me as it did the first time. Looked into Bakshi's other work and I like his substance but I agree with you, he's a bit too crude.
>>4506
All my yes, this was stunning.
>>4517
Sisyphus is great as well. Very curious to see his recent work.
Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tYBlAon683s
>>4951
Added
My contribution to this thread is Night on Bald Mountain (1933), named after the musical piece. The same one as was used for the creepy part (finale?) of Fantasia. It's a pinboard animation, look up the technique if you're interested.
Crazy, ghastly, nightmarish stuff.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=13FQ1wvxVHs
No.5475
>>5474
And a little image to go with it. It's only 8 minutes by the way, well worth your time.
No.5481
>>5457
The cost might have something to do with it. Kids are a natural audience for animation, so it's riskier to invest in a project aimed only at adults. You pass up on all the money to be made by pulling families into the cinema.
That's how it is here anyway. I don't know why countries with state funded film industries mostly avoid adult animation.
Japan may be an outlier, but anime is more of a teenage thing right?
No.5482
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>>5458
The French were early pioneers in animation with both the first entirely animated film(Fantasmagorie 1908) and the first serious animated film(L'Idée 1932). Interesting as film history but nowadays they aren't that important in animation.
There's also the experimental works of Georges Schwizgebel that's worth looking at. Not all of his short films are up on youtube unfortunately and his work is being produced at a snail's pace as each frame is individually made. The video embedded here is pretty repetitive but others on the playlist are far more impressive.
No.5483
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>>5475
Pretty cool,man! Pinboard is a medium I've not seen used much. It really gives a nice sense of light.
>>5459
Talking about Le Tableau, I'd say give a shot at Gwen,le livre de Sable(1985),from the same director(Jean-Francois Laguionie).
It's made with a mix of cutout and drawn animation, but they blend very well. The cutout style allows for a very painterly look, though it's quite minimal in terms of motion. I'd really like to see more of this kind of stuff.
No.5489
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The French animation anthology Peur(s) du noir is great
It's a collection of six stories, each with a distinct visual style of creepy monochrome
No.5490
>>5489
> a collection of six stories
(or maybe just five)
No.5583
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Chuck Jones probably made the biggest impact on me as a kid. I'd like to see the side project that got him fired from WB (Gay Pur-ee).
Here's one of his own productions Rikki Tikki Tavi (narrated by Orson Welles)
No.5777
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nostalgic antidrug ridiculousness
No.5869
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>>5777
Pied Pipper by Jiří Bárta, expressionist-or-something stop motion. (btw the language is made up)
It's hard to find it in decent quality, I have it 720x576, if you wanted.
No.5870
>>5869
thanks i have an affinity for czech animation but i didn't know about that one
can anyone vouch for Edison and Leo (2008)? first ever canadian stop-motion