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 No.35636

Hey, guys, i´m developing a new game (i´ll be abble to launch a playable beta in a cupple of weeks) and i want some advice…

I´ve been in this site for some time now and i´ve noticed there is a lot of ppl angry at renpy games for milking money… so i want to avoid that mistake and be transparent with the process

Last, the game will be completly free, but i don´t know where i can promote it (after all, i would like to make a living out of it) so, any advice about that subject would be awesome

 No.35639

File: 86552d4d971d473⋯.gif (455.88 KB, 407x278, 407:278, 86552d4d971d473fc96b8e1507….gif)

People isn't exactly mad at Ren'Py. What they are mad at is the milking. Ren'Py it's alright and at the very least it's better than RPG maker or Unity. What people here actually hates is patreon I can't speak for everyone, but I'm confident at least the majority does. So 2 advices:

>Define what will you do and what will be your target

Don't make the mistake of making a porn game and adding as much fetishes as humanly possible. That doesn't widen your audience, it actually narrows it. If someone likes incest but there's NTR on it, even with the incest on it, people who likes incest will not like it, and so on. In fact, about shit like NTR, scat, homosexuality, shit like that.

>Let the game speak for itself

A dev came here in your same situation as you >>25695 but quite a different mentality. He didn't exactly advertise it, he just created his own patreon. People started to see and play the game, threads about it started to pop-up, and since the game is actually good, the dev started to make good monet in a short amount of time and then the faggot went and sold his soul. I won't give you names of specific sites, fuck that shit, if you actually lurked as you said, you should already know at least one place to whore yourself.

All that being said, here are 3 things, judging by your post

>If that's the art, it's painfully average

>Judging by the name, the protagonist is a girl. Fuck that

>Judging by the name, it will be degeneration shit. Fuck that

That's all.


 No.35640

>>35639

well i appreciate honesty, i´m actually making a list of events that will be included in the game so people can see it from the beggining.

I´ll think about what you said, trully

Last:

>I hope we can improve the art with the opinion of the ppl

>No is a male protagonist

>Thanks for the time to respond, m8


 No.35643

>>35636

have your funding links in the title area somewhere unobtrusive like the bottom right corner

just shill it wherever once it gets to version 0.3

have a non patreon page like wordpress or blogspot or something for game dev news cuz nobody wants to see the patreon in the OP, it just looks better


 No.35646

>>35636 (OP)

>i don´t know where i can promote it

That depends on your game. Engine? Western or eastern art? 2D or 3D? Which fetishes? Is it a trainer game? Does it have TF themes? Mind control?

>ppl angry at renpy games

Nah: as >>35639 said, Ren'py is fine. But for many people here RPG Maker is not, especially if your game is a VN.

>>35639

Is it good? It looked to me like those games where, if you miss the milkman the third day at 7AM, you never reach the good end.


 No.35648

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>>35640

Well, at least you have a good attitude. Hope you can do something good. Even if the art is not that great, the game can always have other strong points, like good writing, good gameplay, or something similar. Hell, text based games are pretty good.

Another thing, don't listen to faggots that want you to add and to a lesser extent remove content in your game. They are usually fetish fags, so you'll usually see things like "this game would be better if it had [SHIT FETISH]". You can try to rationalize it yourself, maybe you actually like what they suggest, but if you get the feeling that is not going to work, it probably won't, no matter how much autists scream and whine about it. Pic related.

>>35646

Actually, I don't have many problems with RPG maker other than being one of the most massive piece of shit engines to make games in. It's easy, it doesn't require a lot of knowledge, but it's restrictive as fuck. You can heavily modify it if you need to, but at that point, you're better off using something else.

>Is it good?

Yes it is. Is an actual game and pretty good at that. It's phoenix wright medieval porn version. Admittedly, I only played 0.1 when the dev came here, so dunno how the new content is, but the dev seems competent as he claimed, since the art does look good, it does have a good premise, and the gameplay is there.

>if you miss the milkman the third day at 7AM, you never reach the good end.

That was one of my complains to that dev too, I don't remember what he said about it, though, check the thread if you want, or ask him yourself if he is still around and I doubt it.


 No.35692

>>35648

I am please with Dod's dev and community. Next to Cuck In The House grind edition and Dating My Retarded Daughter he's in a league of his own.


 No.35693

>>35692

Considering there's 1,129 (40%) of those faggots who want NTR on it, I wouldn't be so pleased. Can't say a lot about the dev other than he not being a faggot, but the game is really fucking bad and at the time you fucked the mom everyone lost interest.


 No.35694

>>35693

A lot of those are cucks with multiple accounts that use them for their cuck psyops.


 No.35695

I don't think it matters all that much if you have a Patreon and such so long as you add a good amount of content each update, keep in contact with the community decently and don't make false promises or blueball everyone.

See Dating My Daughter on how NOT to run your game, don't take years and years to get to the good stuff.

People bitch and moan about Patreon but they'll still check out your game if it's good, mans gotta eat right?

A CARDINAL SIN though, is releasing your Patreon without even offering a demo of your game, or a demo that lasts like 5 minutes and shows…nothing.

Patreon is fine, ignore the whining, just release a decent first build first and then keep good pace and all will be golden.

And if you can't keep up a certain pace, don't make deadlines then delay them over and over that's a good way to destroy your game. Be certain within what month you can probably get an update out before you give anyone ideas.

Saying it'll be out on the 6th and releasing it on the 29th is going to get tons of hate regardless of circumstance. But saying it will be out in March and releasing it on the 23rd is still sticking to what you said.

Some reasonable guidelines.

Guarantee people will bitch at me for saying Patreon is okay but notice how many popular threads have them, it's irrelevant when the content keeps people coming back anyway.

Anyone who says they don't play games that have Patreon's is a liar.


 No.35698

>>35695

How to avoid the patreon guidelines? I saw that the DMD and IA guys got tons of problem and need to have "patchs" for the game. How to be a complete degenerate and don't have any problems with the patreon?


 No.35699

>>35636

Is the image your art? It's not good. Try to fix the face at least.


 No.35701

Hello OP.

As someone considering entering the ren'py VN development game myself, I would advise being willing and able to spend a lot of time or a lot of money towards polishing your game before you even release a demo, let alone set up a Patreon.

Again, to second other comments on this thread, if your picture is representative of your art I would strongly suggest you take some time to improve, or consider how much it would cost to hire an Artist. I have done some ball-park calculations for my own VN, and based on average character commission rates its at least $300 to do the necessary character expressions for 1 character to what I'd consider an average level of quality. Thats before you put on top of that Backgrounds, Sex Scenes, or other characters.

If you have the means and time to do all your own art, thats a real money-saver. But it is worth considering spending your bucks elsewhere, for example on someone to help with coding. Sharing the work-load is very beneficial if you have a IRL schedule to keep too.

Finally, play what's currently around. Play alot of the games available, particularly WEG Ren'py games, both good and bad. Get a sense for whats common, whats hated, and whats missing. Try to offer something nobody else seems to be doing.

Best of luck to you.


 No.35702

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>>35695

>See Dating My Daughter on how NOT to run your game, don't take years and years to get to the good stuff.

Thanks for the shitty advice, now the dev will rush to the sex. Not saying either extreme is good, but there should be a proper set up and waiting time for sex. In fact, it shouldn't be between updates, which is why I never encourage episodic releases. If you focus in a single girl, you can complete her route in a single go in a month or two, all the way to sex with plenty of foreplay and the such. DMD is shit, but that doesn't mean you just go straight to sex.

>People bitch and moan about Patreon but they'll still check out your game if it's good, mans gotta eat right?

Don't advocate for everyone, faggot.

>Patreon is fine

>Guarantee people will bitch at me for saying Patreon is okay but notice how many popular threads have them

And in every single one of those threads people bitch about patreon hack devs. Patreon is cancer and you're a fucking retard. Jesus, kill yourself. In fact, /htg/ banned patreon links to keep patreon shill out, and it worked.

>>35698

Just another reason NOT TO USE PATREON, faggot, you're essentially supporting a page that doesn't want your kind of content in the first place, so don't. There are plenty of alternatives, and what the other anon said it's actually spot on, as long as your content is good, it will attract people, so if your content is good, avoid patreon, specially if it goes against their guidelines.

https://www.makersupport.com/

https://hatreon.net/


 No.35711

>>35702

I would rather have timely sex than the ridiculous blueball shit half the games on here perform to milk as much as possible, is that what you like or something?

>And in every single one of those threads people bitch about patreon hack devs. Patreon is cancer and you're a fucking retard. Jesus, kill yourself. In fact, /htg/ banned patreon links to keep patreon shill out, and it worked.

Because people bitch about any and everything on this site it's how it works

Go on any thread and you'll find dozens of irrelevant arguments about anal, cucking, faggots, political shit, incest and paedophillia regardless of relevance to the game the thread is about.

Do you even 8chan bro? You must be new.

Using Patreon is fine because the guidelines are easy to get around and it's trustworthy, no I'm fucking not using some random ass shady site that I can't possibly trust with my money, that's a good way to get hacked. Enjoy poverty.


 No.35712

>>35698

There's plenty ways to do it, it's nowhere near as scary as people make it out to be.

Summertime Saga is still the most popular game last I checked and most of it's content is incest related.

As long as your game isn't called "Bestiality Loving Incest Bitches" you'll be fine.

Just make sure to have a regularly updated blog that posts and CG and such, as long as there isn't porn all over your Patreon page they don't give a damn what you post really.


 No.35713

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>>35701

>Reddit spacing

>WEG

Disgusting.

>>35711

Then just go ahead and watch porn. As I said, either extreme is bad, it's either an slideshow or blueball, the whole point is being in between.

>Because people bitch about any and everything on this site it's how it works

You sounds like you don't belong in here, specially when you say that as if it was a bad thing. The reason that happens is because those things deserve to be hated, you like it or not, because even if you like something, the fact that all these games are being made in patreon is already bad, and the fact that you mention cuckolding as if it isn't worth attacking is even worse. Do everyone a favor a fucking leave already.

>Do you even

>Bro

>5yo meme

>Using patreon is fine

>Trustworthy

Back to cuckchan.

>>35712

That's because Patreon and people that supports it is full of hypocrites.

>Just make sure to have a regularly updated blog that posts and CG and such

Doesn't work, they don't even let you link to sites that goes against their guidelines, which is why Incestral Awakening blog had to change too and they had to be extremely cautious with promoting the patch. The patch on itself was pretty bad for them, since people thought the build was broken and left the game.


 No.35722

Thanks all for the advices, i´m taking in consideration everything you said about patreon and game development… as for art, my gf does it, i´m the writer and the codding guy… we will give the game and wait for feed back to improve it as much as we can, including the art… the trut is we are looking for our own stily and still being abble to please our audience, either way we will polish it

we plan to give a sex scene per update, but not in the same story arc, but more of that when we are ready to show our work.

In the mean time, we will be working, thanks for the words dudes, i hope we all can get along in the future


 No.35723

>>35646

Its a trainer game and we planed to have a lot of fetishes (nothing to hardcore tho). It will be a graphic novel / trainer (not mind control, but mind break)


 No.35724

>>35695

we don´t want to milk money, but i DO want to take my time to tell a story, i´m a writer after all and i know that a good arc for a character is very interesting. So we plan to have multiple characters with different rhythms. anyhow, any advice about that subject is wellcome.

As for updates, since we both study college and work, we will take like 3 months to give an update, but we feel like is a lot of time, idk what you guys think about it, we are planning all those things to have a good relation with the ppl playing the game


 No.35725

>>35701

we have been working like 3 months allready, and we don´t want to rush things, we do this for the money, yes, but mostly because we enjoy it.

That said, we will take our time to check the art, tho we are thinking on give the demo and then work based on feedback. Its the firts time we do this after all.

Any games you recomend to test?


 No.35729

>>35713

I'm not the quoted, but patreon is trustworthy because people know them, you posted a bunch of shaddy sites that i not even know their work or existence. Patreon already settle down and if you want to get paid by your work, go to patreon and not some shaddy site, that is bad publicity for your own work.

Patreon came to stay, adapt or die.


 No.35733

>>35729

>Because it's popular it's trust worthy

Nice fallacy, gigantic faggot. You HAVE to be a patreon shill

>Adapt, goy! There's nothing you can't do!

There's a reason why there are alternatives. Hell, you can just make a paypal, but since you're a shill, you can just fuck off.


 No.35735

>>35733

I'm no shill, i not even use patreon or have a patreon. I'm just saying that by having a twitter to advertise your work is much better then a google plus. "Trustworthy" to potential costumers, you said i can have a paypal but that only works for a commission based tatic, not a mensal payment like in patreon, where the cash is.

If people don't know the site you are using, they are less likely to give you money. If twitter

had a "patreon", people would rather donate through twitter instead.

Jabcomixxx is a great exemple of someone who is losing money by still lock his content in a "member exclusive tatic", and crys about people who pirate his work.


 No.35737

>>35723

Don't promote your game in every fucking place, it's counterproductive. I hated Adventures of Tara (and not just me) because the author kept spamming that fucking elf everywhere.

Set also a personal blog (where people can find anti-Patreon patches).

>It will be a graphic novel / trainer

ULMF and Legend of Krystal seem good places to start.

Your game will be shared on F95 anyway, most likely: it's up to you if subscribing that site and talk with its users or not (it's like endorsing what they do: how will your patrons react?).

>lot of fetishes

If they have nothing to do with each other (or, even worse, if they are conflicting), they risk to push potential patrons away. Be transparent about them and let players avoid (but for real!) any sex scene they don't like.


 No.35744

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>>35735

When you say "people", you're first of all referring to ignorant normalfags. They'd eat up whatever shit you put in their plate, no matter the plate, as long, of course, your product is good. If you're a hack and your art is ugly, of course patreon is good for you, as long as you actively avoid their rules that don't want your content in there in the first place, that attack you for that and that can retain the monthly payment if you go to review, and keep it forever if they decide to delete your account. So much for trustworthy, faggot. Keep supporting something that doesn't want you there. Patreon is a big mistake, it breads mentally dysfunctional retards like you, specially when alternatives exists.

>>35737

Advertising yourself is one thing, and spamming is a different one. Just posting about your game once can make it take fly, if it is good enough, and it can also create a following.

>Fag95

Pic related. Don't go in there. Your game, as this anon said, will be posted there anyway, so no need for you to go there to promote it. You could do it, but, again, consider pic related, that's the kind of people you'll find there.

>let players avoid (but for real!)

Bullshit. (((Optional))) will always be bad no matter what you do. Your best bet is just select a group of fetish that don't conflict with each other, and base the game on those fetish from the start.


 No.35746

>>35723

I hope it doesn't include MMF threesomes.

>>35724

You can take the time to get to actual sex, but you have to get there eventually. If you don't want to blueball people, just concentrate in an specific character, and develop her till you can fuck her, instead of concentrating in all the girls at once.

>>35725

If you do it as a hobby, then it's ok to be slow and take your time, but you will not make as much time. If you actually want to dedicate to it, you'll have to invest a int extra money, but that won't guarantee success either.

As for what games to play, it depends on what kind of game you want to do. Give a try to Summertime Saga and Incestral Awakening, as for something general, and read the threads so you can get the general vibe. Also, give a try to Princess Trainer, and form your own opinion.


 No.35777

>>35713

>Then just go ahead and watch porn. As I said, either extreme is bad, it's either an slideshow or blueball, the whole point is being in between.

Or…there can just be good pacing? Isn't that a novel idea?

>You sounds like you don't belong in here, specially when you say that as if it was a bad thing. The reason that happens is because those things deserve to be hated, you like it or not, because even if you like something, the fact that all these games are being made in patreon is already bad, and the fact that you mention cuckolding as if it isn't worth attacking is even worse. Do everyone a favor a fucking leave already.

I literally just started an argument about color vs colour in another thread to illustrate my point there.

I also never said it's a bad thing, it's just how this site works. Most of us aren't worth listening to when we're whining because we do it for fun or justice, whichever you prefer.

And yes Patreon is trustworthy because it's big and regulated?

Are you going to buy food from a nice restaurant with all it's hygiene certificates displayed and up to date or are you going to buy food from this dingy hidden café in an alley that has grime all over the floor and the occasional unchallenged cockroach that gets to roam around freely, with not a single certification around to state that this business can sell you food without giving you mouth AIDS?

Because that's the choice you're offering here.

Paypal can fuck off too since it's so easily hacked.

Mine doesn't even fucking work because it's such a shit service, no matter how much I try my card isn't accepted even though some fucking random tiny Italian site that sells formicariums and whatnot does.

Patreon is far and away the best option, the alternatives are untested and I don't like my bank account being hacked in favour of some porn games.


 No.35785

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>>35777

>there can just be good pacing? Isn't that a novel idea?

That's being in-between, faggot.

>Most of us aren't worth listening to when we're whining because we do it for fun or justice, whichever you prefer

>We

>Us

Fuck off. I suppose you consider yourself more worth to listen to. Let OP decide who he will listen to, so don't advocate for everyone, faggot.

>And yes Patreon is trustworthy because it's big and regulated?

Gee, just like Facebook, Google and every mainstream site? Oh wait, of course not. Those sites gets hacked constantly BECAUSE they are famous, and they constantly leak information as well. It's not about a "dingy hidden cafe in an alley", it's a fucking restaurant just like it just across the street. Take the centralized dick out of your ass.

>Paypal can fuck off too since it's so easily hacked.

The irony.

>Patreon is far and away the best option

Says the faggot that have never used it. Are you shilling? Are you actually a faggot who doesn't know what he is shilling for? Or are you just shilling it because you're an ignorant fag?

>Bank account being hacked

>Not making a business bank account specifically for this

Jesus, you're a moron too.


 No.35802

>>35785

…are you seriously suggesting a better option is some poor company that can't reliably provide better security?

How bafflingly intelligent.

Google, Facebook and other mainstream sites get attacked all the time, yes.

But they're also multi-billion dollar corporations that have good security and get your shit back easily.

Also I don't care if people get my information, I care if they get my money which is what we're talking about here.

If it's a service that handles money why the fuck would you use one that handles it poorly?

I've used Patreon to support a couple of fledgling YouTubers and the occasional porn game that isn't already earning thousands and actually gets finished.

I'm yet to be hacked or have any issues with payment at all, because it fucking works which is why it's the most used.

I notice a lot of whining about how it's bad but I'm yet to see anyone give a concrete reason for why it's bad other than "I don't think anyone should be able to earn a living from making a game…for reasons!"


 No.35807

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>>35802

>some poor company that can't reliably provide better security?

Woah! Those are a lot of assumptions. Let me guess, you're basing those statements on the single basis that just because they are not popular they are shit? Well, what the fuck are you doing here? Go back to cuckchan and reddit, those sites are popular with normalfags.

>Multibillion dollars companies have good security

>Yet it gets fucked every time

>Implying they don't mislocate money

>Implying they don't use that money for coke

>I don't care if people get my information

>They handle money poorly because they are not popular!

>He lied about not using patreon

>He shamelessly admit to own one and support other people there

>A complete 180 on his attitude towards patreon

Wew. Fuck off, shill.


 No.35841

>>35807

>provides no evidence to back up poorer lesser known companies have better security

>whole post only serves to say "shitter companies are actually better!"

>implying I said nothing ever goes wrong with big companies

>implying small companies are purely virtuous and don't enjoy coke and hookers too

>comedian

>can't read and thinks I said never to use Patreon, poor anon recognition, lack of reading skills or just a complete retard

>possibly all of the above

Mein God.


 No.35862

>>35841

>Provides no evidence of better known companies having better security >Even though he admits they get hacked all the time

>He provides no evidence of lesser known companies getting hacked

>Lesser known = Shittier company

I don't think you're a shill, you're more likely a brain dead consumer with a corporate dick up your ass.




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