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3f2ac8  No.3098[Reply]

What do you actually do at your local church /christianity/?

Sing in the choir?

Children't ministry?


Homeless ministry?

You do contribute, don't you?

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fc2e68  No.3100

1f0182  No.3106


I'm a deacon and serve as a prison minister.

2a44b6  No.3111


>prison minister

What's that like?

fa7c42  No.3112


About what you'd expect. Mostly I give Bibles to people who need them, pray with them, baptize them if they need it, and sometimes help with recommendations to judges on their behalf. There's also Bible study twice a week and Sunday services.

f91298  No.3117

Full tithe and I try to give generously when we have visiting missionaries, etc. Its not demanded of us but I feel like I can cut enough BS out of my life to help be able to give more to the church where I know itll be going towards a good cause.

Started going to prayer meetings where we get lists of people going through different hardships and we all get in groups and pray for like 30 minutes straight.

Also go soul winning on saturdays which has been fun.

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c08b48  No.3002[Reply]

If this doesn’t trigger DEUS VULT is it over?

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7663b8  No.3005


DEUS VULT against what? We don't even know who did it. It very well could have been an accident, nothing more.

c0df3c  No.3014


France will turn the other cheek because they are cucks

But will Christians?

adb3e6  No.3015


You mean if it's arson?

921f91  No.3016



Christian larpers are just as bad as larpagans.

93fb0e  No.3086

Well according to the bible. Everyone will have to go through the great tribulation unless the rapture is true then only those that haven't repented will face tribulation. So majority of humanity. Then they will have to go through the 7 trumpets 1-6 are merciful as in you can still repent through them. However once 7 is blown the people are irrideemable and will face the final seven plagues just before the return of Christ.

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14f63d  No.2539[Reply]

….he cute

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e1995c  No.2549


>a brother in Christ, a creation of God, has a punchable face

Gonna have to try harder than that, cuckboi shill.

14f63d  No.2580

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I'd say this

963363  No.2774


e963e7  No.3080


084c75  No.3084


>….he cute

you gay….

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c1bef1  No.2268[Reply]

Reminder that if you're a smoker you need to get over that right now. You're dishonoring your body as a temple that God gave you. It's disgusting. It suppresses your appetite so you eat less and are weaker. It affects you hormonally. It's associated with lasciviousness.

>but I only pipe smoke aged South Carolina tobacco

>but I only smoke fine cigars

You're a soyboy

>but quitting is hard

not an argument

If you smoke, admit it right now so we can bully you about it and you'll feel accountability.

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34934f  No.2385


Nice Cherry picked definition

There is no gentleness implied in admonish in the biblical use. It's more like rebuke, sternly make people aware.

The Bible at several points looks on to people not knowing their shame as a negative. Is the Buble unloving to tell people that? This is the point here.

Anyway stop being such a schoolmarm.

c5e646  No.2397


Cherry picked? It is literally the first search result.

But sure, keep being a name calling cunt. Im sure youll win droves of souls to Christ that way.

7ce25a  No.2402

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Youre a little poofter huh

c5e646  No.2403


>the dictionary site I had to click around for is better than yours and proves me right.



And you're being a pedantic ass for no particular reason.

bae2c0  No.3073

I'm addicted to dickposting and I don't know what to do.

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6bfcb2  No.3063[Reply]

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07e6c4  No.2963[Reply]

I've started a project I'd like to recruit some help on, if anyone is interested.

I'm making a thread for each chapter of the NT, with one verse per post, at >>>/bible/

The point of this is to reference a verse from anywhere on the site that can be read by hovering:


If you want to help, instructions are in the sticky. There are 260 chapters in the New Testament, so it's going to take a hot minute to post them all.


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3a672c  No.3049


would you prefer, the ebonics bible my fren?

bf4cc4  No.3055


I prefer The Jerusalem Bible.

8584d4  No.3058


>liberal catholic translation


>the most significant english Bible in history


eee718  No.3059




lol no. The KJV is written in flowery poetic prose, something nobody in the history of the English speaking world ever used in casual conversation. The KJV is shit and anyone who uses it is shit.

5395d8  No.3060



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036794  No.861[Reply]

This is idolatry, change my mind

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a87961  No.3037





Reference does not necessarily imply a belief in inspiration. What is explicit is their direct statements of opposition to one or all of the apocryphal books affirmed by the RCC at the council of trent.

See here for quotations: https://carm.org/early-church-fathers-canon

ab2ba0  No.3038


I didn't link anything, and you never really refuted my point. There were heresies even during the life of Jesus, to say that something is biblically justified because some early heretics did it is false. The Bible never tells us to pray to dead people or anyone other than God.

4c0ec0  No.3052


This is why CONTEXT matters and context shows they use the same formulae as the Inspired Scriptures. This is so plain it neednt be explained unless you are so afraid of the truth you rather project

4c0ec0  No.3053


Then I apologize. Now I see you didnt post it. Good. Now admit all early christians as heretics. Be consistent

500bfd  No.3054

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>Is OP correct? Yes. Does that make Catholics evil? NO. Does that mean Catholics are going to hell? I don't think so.

Idolatry is a sin that needs repentance.

If a Catholic believes the gospel it will be in spite of his Catholicism, which teaches a false gospel. I'm still confident it happens often.

What this post misses is the urgency of the issue.

>what's not to like about them?

The idolatry

The liberal voting block they form, enabling fag marriage, abortion, the welfare state

They form ethnic enclaves in US cities and have competing interest to the Anglo Protestant founders

Their priests molest children

The motif of allegiance to Rome over America (minority)

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57cdca  No.2969[Reply]

Throughout the Old Testament are instances of God killing people and commanding the deaths of people. Even today there is much suffering especially in the poor third world. Are the 21 kids that die from preventable diseases a minute in heaven. Jesus rarely if ever says that people who don't repent will go to hell he far more often says that rich people go to hell because they already received there reward on earth and that heaven belongs to the poor. The only way I can imagine the almighty God allowing this kind of suffering would be if in the end there is a final judgement where those who didn't get there reward here will get it in heaven.

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dda444  No.3009


Exodus goes in the shitter with matthew and luke. If Luther can do it so can I!

d7893d  No.3010


Luther never removed any books, and neither can you

dda444  No.3011


Yes, he did.

47c64a  No.3017


No he didn't. Luther's translation of the Bible, at least in the editions printed in his lifetime, contains all the books that Catholic Bibles do. He just moved the Apocrypha to a different section.

dbf505  No.3022



Those books also weren't canonized according to the Roman church until after Luther died.

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adb144  No.3000[Reply]


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891a33  No.2438[Reply]

>True traditional Christians believed in ghosts as evidenced by historical records and the language used in the Douay Rheims.

>Modern turboprots believe EVERYTHING paranormal is a demon.

>Weird modernist Christians believe in some kind of reincarnation or joining with the source.

>Most normie Christians see heaven and hell as two permanently immobilizing prisons and don't believe in ghosts.

Like seriously? Why such division? Saul communicated with the dead and tradition should be the default. Instead everyone seems to have their own unique fanfic about reality.

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1d10c4  No.2454


Read it bitch

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fb0712  No.2986


>>In the Hebrew Bible, the Witch of Endor is a woman Saul consulted to summon the spirit of prophet Samuel in the 28th chapter of the First Book of Samuel in order to receive advice against the Philistines in battle after his prior attempts to consult God through sacred lots and prophets had failed. Samuel's spirit appears to Saul, however, the witch screams and is frightened by Saul's appearance because God is the one who summons his spirit in order to confront him for his disobedience against Yahweh.

31dd9a  No.2993


Sounds like protsplaining to pilpul around the fact the dead can hear our prayers.

842bb3  No.2994


>Doesn't commit your eisegesis

>He must be a sneaky jew

I'm falling for your bait

How does the account of the witch of endor prove that the dead hear prayers?

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e43598  No.1878[Reply]

If you are a christian and haven't read the entirety of the new testament at least then you should try and pick it up and read it for yourself. It is the basis for the entirety of our faith and the reason our religion is in its current state is because of a lack of knowledge of the foundations of our religion.

Never listen to pastors always read the bible for yourself and come to your own conclusions then we can actively discuss what they mean.

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bfd8e1  No.2895


I recognize you now.

Matthew 3:11- I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Pentecost - Baptized with tongues of fire of the Holy Spirit, no water involved; and other instances of this outside of Pentecost, such as Act 10: 44-48, not to mention the story of the jailer and his family who believed first, and then were baptized.

John 6 - Before, Jesus has referred to himself as many metaphorical titles - light of the world, door of the sheep, the true vine, etc. But as soon as he says Bread of Life, all of the sudden he's being literal? Even in the face of him obviously referring to himself as the true bread that man must live on (his words and commandments and being the Word incarnate), in contrast to earthly bread? Even as 6:53's "flesh and blood" is a Hebrew idiom referring to "the total person?" In other words, the imitation of Christ in deed, character and essence through belief?

John 6 28-29; 34-35

"What can we do to perform the works of God?" Jesus replied, "This is the work of God - that you believe in the one He has sent.

….Then they said, "Sir, give us this bread always!" "I am the bread of life," Jesus told them. "No one who comes to Me will ever be hungry, and no one who believes in Me will ever be thirsty again."

Utilizing the idiom of taking on his whole person: John 6: 53-58 Note that afterwards, many disciples desert Jesus due to trying to take his words literally in light of having been amongst the 5,000 who were recently miraculously fed, and still of the mentality of thinking of satiating their stomachs.

>This sort of view demands the logic of ananmesis Jews have for Passover where participants are in some sense reliving the Exodus narrative.

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19ce14  No.2898


As there are plenty of ground for me to cover here, I will address the last statement first. The problem is most scholarship on Mary's perpetual virginity or lack thereof are not as robust as the overall theology of the NT. For instance Richard Longenecker and Douglas Moo in Galatians simply presuppose the lack thereof without consideration of Bauckham's arguments or the naunces of the issue. The same for DA Carson himself too in his commentary on Matthew.

In contrast, there are always a lot of reasons given for how Baptism is like in the New Testament or why the Eucharist follows the Jewish Passover's concept of participation. In the exegesis on Matthew, John and Acts that will follow I will show the severe limitations of your eisegesis. Yes I say eisegesis as it doesnt bother to engage with the background and context of the passages as I will demonstrate beyond just mere surface reading from the regula of typical Evangelical pastors

19ce14  No.2904



Here the verse only tells us someone greater than John will come and Baptize. It doesnt establish the need for Evangelical wishy washy born again theology on this issue. How do we know this? Because in Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus provides the command to Baptize in the name of the Trinity.

In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus commands the disciples to go out to all nations, teaching them and Baptizing them. Given the missionary theme of this verse to make disciples, what this already indicates is that a condition for one to be a disciple is not just to know the Gospel but also Baptism. Baptism is a necessary step to become a disciple being the act that initiates him into Christ and converts him into his sphere. As Beasley-Murray notes in "Baptism in the NT", that the Baptism in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as an "appropriation" to them(pg90). As dedication and submission. The language of "in the Name of" also has sacrificial conoctations where a sacrifice is offered to God in his Name. This entails that in Baptism, the one Baptized is being offered and given to God. It's entering into a relationship and where is this expressed clearly? In 1Peter 3:21 where the Greek for "appeal/answer for a good conscience" only finds use in establishing contracts of trade. This makes your attempt to explain the contract view a failure because it ignores the fact that it is akin to a document signed to enter into a relationship.

Of course what then about the Baptism in the Spirit anticipated by John earlier? We fortunately have Jesus' own baptism as an example where the Spirit and the Father are both present. The audience of Matthew who pays attention will see a connection between the Trinatarian name at the end and what happens at Jesus' Baptism and possibly see Jesus' baptism as a model and by doing that they will come into Christ, matching Galatians 3 for instance.

On John's prophetic statement which has sadly been abused and perverted by the Evangelical and Baptist pharisees, we can note how a "baptism" by fire in that verse ironically for you Pharisees, refer to God's judgement. There is a BaptPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

19ce14  No.2940


Next off Pentecost and Acts. Here I will agree lies the strongest case for the Baptist/Evangelical view because of how the Holy Spirit appears to be received even before water Baptism, such as in Acts 10 where the conversion of Cornelius and his household is recorded. The notion of believing and then getting Baptized or even receiving the Spirit prior to the act isnt proof that it isnt required or it is some empty naked symbol. After all that faith is a required condition for Baptism to be of any benefit is acceptable even to Baptismal Regeneration. Even Luther the Reformer does this, creating a superior view of assurance in contrast to the Evangelical who only ultimately have his own self as the source of it, not God or the external that leads inward.

In ignorance of the Acts Pentecost narrative of chapter 2, Evangelicals and Baptists miss the sequence explicitly told by Peter on how the same gift may be received. In fact it seems this basic point during Pentecost is missed out on them, as if they cut and chop Scripture to only take the parts they like and leave out the others as Peter anticipating the Evangelical eisegesis says,

37 Now when mthey heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 And Peter said to them, o“Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive sthe gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many otherwords he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, x“Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

Here we see it plain and simple that Baptism is part of coming into Christ and is the normative step in receiving the Holy Spirit. Later instances show that even those receiving the Spirit before will still get Baptized too, because it is essentially a normal part of conversion and the entrance into Christ. Here we are toldPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

e0d89a  No.2942


Arguing John 6 is just a metaphor doesnt work. Because ultimately the Eucharist can still be used to serve the purpose of Jesus' Disclosure, which is that he is the nourishment and faith in him is requored to access this. Although in that instance a view that will be the Eucharist wont make sense, John's readers will easily see a connection especially given the lack of the Last Supper narrative which the other 3 Gospels has. So where is it in John? Here's a hint, food and drink, body and blood. These are signals for readers to see the connection between the two.

Unfortunately for anti sacramentalists like the Evangelicals, this has implications for what the Eucharist is. It's literally part of how one will be nourished by Christ which explains Paul's language in 1Corinthians well and the participation concept of anamnesis. But given the Evangelical and Baptist ignore this, they are unable to grasp the context and hence oppose Scripture yet again. And no you Pharisee, the participation of Passover isnt the naked symbol in the way your elk typically think about. It is making the salvific past present in some sense. Not by an empty symbol although this naturally lends to symbolic language in the mimesis and rite not in the participation in the Exodus narrative.

Just as the lost disciples thought only with their stomachs fixating on the fleshy details, Evangelicals narrowly focus with their fleshy minds on thinking faith is just some shallow thing to feel good like their doctrine of assurance! The Bible says NO! as I have shown.

The thief on the Cross also provides no excuse for the Baptist or Evangelical to say Baptism is just a naked empty symbol because just as the one Baptized puts on Christ in Baptism as Paul says, the thief literally has Christ before his eyes and his own direct approval, the reality of Baptism is before him hence he doesnt need the water or the signs. This thief also says something that smashes apart Zwlinglianism because he is not telling Jesus to remember him as one remembers what one did in the past. He is telling him to let him into heaven. Shown by Jesus' immediatePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7c56e9  No.2646[Reply]

Ockham's razor: simpler solutions are more likely to be correct that complex ones.

To justify Mary's perpetual virginity, the following defenses are laid up:

>The jews in the synagogue who point out Jesus's brothers and sisters are actually referencing the Christian brotherhood (Mark 6:3, Matt 13:55-56)

>Joseph had a novel, unique marriage arrangement where one takes a wife without consummating

>"Until" in Matthew 1:25 (kept her a virgin until she gave birth) is a unique use of the word that doesn't mean it happened afterwards

>Roman catholics received alleged additional special revelation in the form of apparations of Mary that claim it's so, ultimately resulting in the Pope declaring the doctrine infallible in the 19th century (remember: an infallible declaration is one equal to scripture)

The alternative view, held by many Christians of many denominations in every era, is this:

>After the virgin birth, Mary and Joseph had children

Which of these options is more likely to be correct given Ockham's razor?

To really travel down the rabbit hole, investigate this:

What foundational beliefs of Catholics (and others) require them to bend over backwards in this way?

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8c9ad3  No.2917


Revelation 12. Aside from that, In ancient Israel whenever a woman was wearing a crown, she was a Queen. So, not the wife of the king but the mother - the Queen Mother. She is the Queen of all things because of her relation to Christ, who is King of Kings.

459952  No.2919


The woman of revelation 12 is the church.


>whenever a woman was wearing a crown, she was queen, so if this is Mary then mary is a queen


>Mary is Queen because Christ is King

Conflation. Christ's role as king is unrelated to his birth mother.

8c9ad3  No.2928

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>The woman of revelation 12 is the church

The way Revelation is inspired by the Holy Ghost certainly allows for direct and indirect symoblism. She can represent the Church and tribes of Israel (and the 12 patriarchs of Israel, etc) while also being Mary–and the Catholic position that she is the new Eve (and was assumed) certainly lines up well with that passage. And you have to remember that the Apocalypsis was originally one free-flow writing, so it's undeniable that St John was showing this woman as the new Ark. Luke's Gospel also shows this, with the language he uses (see vid).

>Christ's role as king is unrelated to his birth mother.

I never said it was. She is Queen because of her relation to the King of Kings is what I said. And if you are a disciple of Christ, she is your mother.

The guy in this video is kinda queer but do watch it.

459952  No.2936


Bad hermeneutics. Your reading violates the law of non-contradiction. In the single event of Rev 12:1-2, the woman can not be simultaneously Mary and the Church. Mary can be typologically related to the woman, but not the same as.

Video is similarly just a bunch of assertions.

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Why would a symbol literally give birth? The woman is giving birth to the Christ, because it's said that He will rule with an iron rod, a direct parallel to Pslam 2:9. And the rest is a parallel to Genesis, the protoevangelium–take note of how St John clearly identifies a woman (the new Eve, Mary), her seed (the Christ, Jesus) and the serpent (Satan) and the enmity between them (the followers of her Son). More proof it is Mary is, like I said before, how Revelation was a free-form writing, and that the description of the Ark in 11:19 would have continued into chapter 12 without a chapter break. Her crown can represent the 12 tribes of Israel, the 12 apostles, the 12 patriarchs, but it's absurd to say that the woman is the Church, or Israel, because the parallels to the protoevangelium don't make sense then, and a symbol would not need to literally give birth.

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1c21b2  No.2[Reply]

I noticed /christian/ had a lot of censorship so I'm starting a new board. I promise not to delete anything simply because I disagree.


1. Christians who follow the Nicene Creed are all welcome
2. Non-believers who are interested in Christianity are welcome
3. Try to be civil
4. Trolls may be welcome, but spam is not

1. Nothing illegal
2. No censorship unless the moderator leaves a post as to what was deleted.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. -John 8:32
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1c21b2  No.36

Please delete the crappy spam.

1c21b2  No.37

How do you know topics are spam and which are legit?

1c21b2  No.39

I think it's fair to delete the two "CUM IS FOOD" topics, the "poop eating thread," and the "ayy lmao" (porn) thread since they have nothing to do with religion and shit-posting doesn't set the mood for the type of board this should be. I have also spoilered the "yiff" pokemon porn thread and will delete it in a day, which will be my usual approach to obvious shit-posting unless some good posts come out of it.

If you write something well it will stay. I will try to avoid deleting things except in the case of blatant shit-posting, relying on self-moderation or sagging, or locking when I can.

I have now enabled archiving so you can read the deleted posts in case I make a mistake.
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0f63b5  No.2892

This thread is old.

fb6930  No.2911


lol so why did you bump it

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9b6ee2  No.2825[Reply]

<And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

<Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.

<And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

<And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

<And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

<Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

<As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

<Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

Was the book of Ezekiel describing the image of an annunaki god? We can't sit here and pretend like the annunaki thing is a myth.

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ayy lmao


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6c44e3  No.2903

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1603e8  No.2608[Reply]

What is your favorite hymn?

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8d05d8  No.2644

"Lord I Lift Your Name On High" has been stuck in my head in a loop as of recent. "Awesome God" is also a classic that I look upon in fondness.

429560  No.2650

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12b1b8  No.2653

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7ea0fd  No.2887

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Not exactly what you're looking for but I listened to Johnny Cash's song "when the man comes around" and I really enjoyed it.

be6777  No.2896

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Dies Irae, if it counts as a hymn, even though I can't stand Catholicism.

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