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353c89  No.2045[Reply]

What is Once Saved Always Saved?

Once Saved Always Saved, or OSAS is the view of some Protestants, usually Baptists, that once someone confesses Christ as Lord and Saviour, there is nothing that person can do to lose his salvation. In fact as the Independent Fundamentalist Baptist pastor Steven Anderson states in his sermon on OSAS, even if you try to sin and disbelieve, you are still saved. This possibility is also acknowledged in his sermon “Shall we continue in Sin” where he states that:

“Now here’s the thing, If I don’t talk to my wife and my wife doesn’t talk to me we are not going to have a good relationship. But are we still married? Yes we are, see what I mean? So if I don’t talk to God through prayer and He doesn’t talk to me through his work, we’re not going to have a good relationship (though I’m still saved).”

Notice that if one doesnt pray to God after one is saved, then he is still considered saved, although he wont have a “good relationship” with God. It means clearly this person isnt going to suffer Hell for this and other intentionally sinful actions.

Of course unfortunately for OSAS believers, Scripture proves them wrong and here we will look at Paul’s Epistle to the Galatians to see why such is the case.

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14533b  No.2086

>>2059

> Imagine being this desperate to destroy the Gospel


b448e2  No.2087

>>2086

>OSAS and eternal security is the Gospel

>cant even be consistent with context and original language


b448e2  No.2163

Baptists BTFO


8d2877  No.2169

OSAS is Gnostic

Irenaeus contra Gnostic

3. For this purpose, then, he had come that he might win her first, and free her from slavery, while he conferred salvation upon men, by making himself known to them. For since the angels ruled the world ill because each one of them coveted the principal power for himself, he had come to amend matters, and had descended, transfigured and assimilated to powers and principalities and angels, so that he might appear among men to be a man, while yet he was not a man; and that thus he was thought to have suffered in Judæa, when he had not suffered. Moreover, the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of those angels who formed the world; for which reason those who place their trust in him and Helena no longer regarded them, but, as being free, live as they please; for men are saved through his grace, and not on account of their own righteous actions. For such deeds are not righteous in the nature of things, but by mere accident, just as those angels who made the world, have thought fit to constitute them, seeking, by means of such precepts, to bring men into bondage. On this account, he pledged himself that the world should be dissolved, and that those who are his should be freed from the rule of them who made the world.https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix.ii.xxiv.html

Anderson Pro Gnostic

The title of my sermon tonight is Once saved always saved. It’s about the eternal security of the believer, the fact that once we get saved there is nothing we can ever do to lose our salvation

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/once_saved_always_saved.html


b448e2  No.2185

occurrences of πιστεύω as a participial identifier for Christians in the authentic letters include: Rom 1:16; 3:22; 4:5, 11, 24; 9:33; 10:4, 11; 1 Cor 1:21;14:22 (twice); Gal 3:22. The aorist participle is found in 2 Thess 1:10; 2:12. Wallace points out the NT writers opted more requentl or the present participle with the aspectual force in view. He writes: “the present was the tense of choice most likely because the NT writers by and large saw continual belief as a necessary condition of salvation" (Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1996], 621, n.22).

This kills OSAS




0c8a87  No.2183[Reply]

In Acts 2:38 and 3:19, Peter preaches repentance like the OT prophets calling Israel to return (see 3:19; cf. 5:31; 8:22). In the immediate context, the people of Israel must repent for their corporate responsibility for Jesus’s death (2:23); but in its fuller Lukan context, the summons to repentance is appropriate for all humanity (e.g., 17:30; 20:21; 26:20), though, in that moment, Peter and his companions do not yet recognise this point (11:18). The biblical prophets summoned Israel to “turn” or “return” to the Lord (e.g., Isa 55:7; Jer 3:12, 14, 22; 4:1; 25:5; 26:3; Ezek 14:6; 18:21, 23, 30; Hos 14:1; Joel 2:12–13; Mal 3:7), which could even be summarized as their message (Zech 1:3–4).1204 Individuals also needed to turn from wickedness to righteousness (Ezek 33:14–16, 19), that is, change their lifestyle, not merely indulge in guilty feelings. Luke 3:11; 18:22 both show this by radical sacrifice of possessions for the sake of others which forms part of the answer of how to be Saved which is also the context of repentance in Acts(2:44-45)

Occasionally the Septuagint uses μετανοέω to express turning to the Lord ( Jer 8:6; 38:19 lxx [31:19 ET]; Joel 2:13; Isa 46:8),though it uses ἀποστρέφω (cf. Acts 3:26) far more frequently.The noun μετάνοια appears even more rarely (five times, all but one in the Apocrypha), though it seems to have more of a consistent association with turning from sin, particularly in later sources(i.e Sir 44:16; Wis 11:23; 12:10, 19). Apparently, however, usage had shifted by the first century; ἀποστρέφω appears just nine times in the NT(only twice in Luke-Acts) whereas μετάνοια and μετανοέω together appear fifty-two times, with a fairly consistent range of usage, including in Luke-Acts. Notice how this opposes the Baptist view of repentance which is simply changing ones mind and not turning away from sin. Sorry Baptists. It is and it requires more than just a mere confession of Christ as Lord and Saviour and includes the act of turning away from sin and sacrifices.



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c9e0e2  No.2083[Reply]

Chapter XVII.—The Christians are refused Polycarp’s body.

But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive463 nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] the blameless life he had led from the beginning, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors464 of his holy flesh. For this end he suggested it to Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to go and entreat the governor not to give up his body to be buried, “lest,” said he, “forsaking Him 43that was crucified, they begin to worship this one.” This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners465), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary466affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions467 and fellow-disciples!

464    The Greek, literally translated, is, “and to have fellowship with his holy flesh

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.iv.iv.xvii.html

Is this idol worship?

ecd149  No.2084

This is idolatry. Church fathers are false prophets


125ea6  No.2088

>>2084

Bait


4339f7  No.2098

sage and hide


120eec  No.2170

Yes. As an ex baptist, my pastor told me that is idolatry, like every early christian


af61e4  No.2171

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>>2170

(you)




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0dad66  No.2155[Reply]

I saw some 2nd-3rd century inscriptions from early christians and I realized, why is it so idolatrous?

You cant pray for the dead or talk to them. That's wrong

c728ce  No.2158

sage and hide all Malaysian shitposts


ba28af  No.2160

>>2158

Stay mad Baptist


a21733  No.2166

John Ryland’s Papyrus:

Beneath your compassion

we take refuge, Theotokos.

Our petitions do not despise in time of trouble,

but from dangers ransom us,

Only Holy, Only Blessed

3rd Century Letter [5]

Egypt, Circa AD 250

3rd Century Papyrus:

As we sing to Father Son and Holy Spirit, may all the powers join with us to say Amen. To the only giver of all good things be power and praise. Amen.

Probably Egyptian, 3rd Century AD hymn [4]

Origen of Alexandria:

Now supplication and plea and thanksgiving may be offered to people without impropriety. Two of them, namely pleading and thanksgiving, might be offered not only to saints but to people alone in general, whereas supplication should be offered to saints alone, should there be found a Paul or a Peter, who may benefit us and make us worthy to attain authority for the forgiveness of sins.

On Prayer, 14.6 [3]

Alexandria, Circa AD 253

St. Hippolytus of Rome:

Tell me, you three boys, remember me, I entreat you, that I also may obtain the same lot of martyrdom with you, who was the fourth person with you who was walking in the midst of the furnace and who was hymning to God with you as from one mouth? Describe to us his form and beauty so that we also, seeing him in the flesh, may recognize him.

Commentary on Daniel, 30.1[2]

Rome, Circa AD 202-211

Why did Post too long. Click here to view the full text.




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3abe36  No.2051[Reply]

My Baptist pastor asked me to read about the early Christians to see how Baptists are in fact Apostolic. All I see are Proto Papism. Why?

b4e3d7  No.2074

Has your autism been diagnosed yet?


c22155  No.2079

Baptists explain


89a0dd  No.2093

[-]


f0ff2e  No.2162

Baptists btfo


cd1ce6  No.2165

John Ryland’s Papyrus:

Beneath your compassion

we take refuge, Theotokos.

Our petitions do not despise in time of trouble,

but from dangers ransom us,

Only Holy, Only Blessed

3rd Century Letter [5]

Egypt, Circa AD 250

3rd Century Papyrus:

As we sing to Father Son and Holy Spirit, may all the powers join with us to say Amen. To the only giver of all good things be power and praise. Amen.

Probably Egyptian, 3rd Century AD hymn [4]

Origen of Alexandria:

Now supplication and plea and thanksgiving may be offered to people without impropriety. Two of them, namely pleading and thanksgiving, might be offered not only to saints but to people alone in general, whereas supplication should be offered to saints alone, should there be found a Paul or a Peter, who may benefit us and make us worthy to attain authority for the forgiveness of sins.

On Prayer, 14.6 [3]

Alexandria, Circa AD 253

St. Hippolytus of Rome:

Tell me, you three boys, remember me, I entreat you, that I also may obtain the same lot of martyrdom with you, who was the fourth person with you who was walking in the midst of the furnace and who was hymning to God with you as from one mouth? Describe to us his form and beauty so that we also, seeing him in the flesh, may recognize him.

Commentary on Daniel, 30.1[2]

Rome, Circa AD 202-211




8fc6e0  No.2164[Reply]

occurrences of πιστεύω as a participial identifier for Christians in the authentic letters include: Rom 1:16; 3:22; 4:5, 11, 24; 9:33; 10:4, 11; 1 Cor 1:21;14:22 (twice); Gal 3:22. The aorist participle is found in 2 Thess 1:10; 2:12. Wallace points out the NT writers opted more requentl or the present participle with the aspectual force in view. He writes: “the present was the tense of choice most likely because the NT writers by and large saw continual belief as a necessary condition of salvation" (Daniel B. Wallace, Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics [Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1996], 621, n.22).



91fda4  No.2121[Reply]

Matthew's Gospel is full of examples where we can see that reward for deeds, and

judgment according to works are very much in evidence. For example: `I tell you the

truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ

will certainly not lose his reward' is very typical of the kind of sayings that are included

in Matthew's portrait of Jesus (e. g. Mk 9.41/Mt 10.42). But there is also a very clear

affirmation of the soteriological dimension of reward:

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny

himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will

lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. What good will it be for a man if

he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange

for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his

angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. (Mt

16.24-27)

In the quotation from Psalm 62.12 in Matt. 16.27 here, the reward is soteriological, just

as it is when the Psalm is quoted again in Romans 2.6. The saying here in Matt 16

follows straight on from Jesus' description of those wishing to save their lives, losing

them, and vice versa. The reward cannot be for individual deeds within the future

Kingdom. In Matt 25.31-46, deeds of hospitality or justice are certainly the criterion for

judgment, however much disagreement there may be on the other details of the

parable. On the other hand, election and grace are prominent in Matthew's Gospel:

salvation is a matter of revelation purely by divine initiative (11.25-27) and is impossible

for people without divine activity (19.25-26). `At the same time, Matthew still believedPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

520462  No.2124

>copypasta commentary


78432f  No.2129

Baptists destroyed


9b1fc7  No.2135

[-]


4f4395  No.2157

I love how the Bible contradicts Baptists




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8b826e  No.2150[Reply]

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.iv.iv.xvii.html

Chapter XVII.—The Christians are refused Polycarp’s body.

But when the adversary of the race of the righteous, the envious, malicious, and wicked one, perceived the impressive463 nature of his martyrdom, and [considered] the blameless life he had led from the beginning, and how he was now crowned with the wreath of immortality, having beyond dispute received his reward, he did his utmost that not the least memorial of him should be taken away by us, although many desired to do this, and to become possessors464 of his holy flesh. For this end he suggested it to Nicetes, the father of Herod and brother of Alce, to go and entreat the governor not to give up his body to be buried, “lest,” said he, “forsaking Him 43that was crucified, they begin to worship this one.” This he said at the suggestion and urgent persuasion of the Jews, who also watched us, as we sought to take him out of the fire, being ignorant of this, that it is neither possible for us ever to forsake Christ, who suffered for the salvation of such as shall be saved throughout the whole world (the blameless one for sinners465), nor to worship any other. For Him indeed, as being the Son of God, we adore; but the martyrs, as disciples and followers of the Lord, we worthily love on account of their extraordinary466affection towards their own King and Master, of whom may we also be made companions467 and fellow-disciples!

See pic for explanation of the Greek which makes it more idolatrous

4b948a  No.2152

why did you post this again


3e185f  No.2153

Yep, this is idolatry




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0b23f2  No.2104[Reply]

Our Righteous Father Mark the Confessor, Bishop of Arethusa; Cyril the Deacon, and others martyred during the reign of Julian

"Saint Mark was Bishop of Arethusa in Syria. In the days of Saint Constantine the Great, Saint Mark, moved with divine zeal, destroyed a temple of the idols and raised up a church in its stead. When Julian the Apostate reigned, in 361, as the pagans were now able to avenge the destruction of their temple, Saint Mark, giving way to wrath, hid himself; but when he saw that others were being taken on his account, he gave himself up. Having no regard to his old age, they stripped him and beat his whole body, cast him into filthy sewers, and pulling him out, had children prick him with their iron writing-pens. Then they put him into a basket, smeared him with honey and a kind of relish of pickled fish, and hung him up under the burning sun to be devoured by bees and wasps. But because he bore this so nobly, his enemies repented, and unloosed him.

  "Saint Cyril was a deacon from Heliopolis in Phoenecia. During the reign of the Emperor Constantius, son of Saint Constantine, he had also broken the idols in pieces. When Julian came to power, Saint Cyril was seized by the idolators and his belly was ripped open. The other holy Martyrs celebrated today, martyred in Gaza and Ascalon during the reign of Julian, were men of priestly rank and consecrated virgins; they were disemboweled, filled with barley, and set before swine to be eaten. The account of all the above Saints is given in Book III, ch. 3, of Theodoret of Cyrrhus' Ecclesiastical History. (Great Horologion)

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977e10  No.2109

>>2105

Wouldn't be Saint of the Day if OP did


bc4893  No.2113

>>2105

As an ortho I agree. /christ/ became uninhabitable because of that.


4c832e  No.2117

>>2104

>Our Righteous Father

Why in the world are you giving him a title of God the Father?!


1cb884  No.2119

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>>2104

Saint Mark, pray for us! Pray for us sinners and help us destroy the false idols of popery and heathenry!


5c5ae2  No.2148

>>2113

<thats likely exactly why they're likely doing it

If you report the obvious shitposting spam it becomes

>woe is me, Im just posting what I should

>but you dare suggest its shitposting, idolatry, pointless, or suggest posting such based on actual biblical standard of a "Saint"

>>2117

Idolatry or bad translation




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987894  No.2042[Reply]

Change my mind

4075ec  No.2072

I agree so I can't do that


03b57e  No.2073

>>2042

How is Malaysia this time of year?


216326  No.2096

Patriotism can be idolatrous, but respecting military ceremony in a funeral is fine.


de5685  No.2100

>>2042

CHARLIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


21d0a9  No.2147

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>>2042

>not on his knees

>not playing with beads

>not muttering vain words to the dead

How so?




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3067cd  No.2144[Reply]

broad is the gate to destruction



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189276  No.2140[Reply]

any idea who this guy is? only other place I can find him is one post on /onlychristian/

the whole "andrew son of the prophet artis" thing made me curious

030702  No.2141

Some schizo apparently

Maybe he's being sarcastic based on the image


841fa3  No.2142

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>>2141

I doubt he's being sarcastic since he wrote other stuff and one i link could get on is 23 pages long


030702  No.2143

>>2142

Creepy




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b0f8bd  No.2136[Reply]

Saint Sophronius, Bishop of Irkutsk and Wonderworker of all Siberia, whose family name was Kristalevsky, was born in Malorussia in the Chernigov region in 1704. His father, Nazarius, was “a common man in his affairs,” and the saint was named Stephen, in honor of the protomartyr Saint Stephen. He had two brothers and a sister, Pelagia. The name of one brother was Paul. The name of the other older brother is unknown, but it is said that he was head of the Krasnogorsk Zolotonosh monastery.

Stephen’s childhood years were spent in the settlement of Berezan in the Pereyaslavl district of the Poltava governance, where the family settled after the father was discharged from service. When he came of age, Stephen entered the Kiev Theological Academy, where two other future hierarchs were studying: Joasaph, future Bishop of Belgorod (September 4 and December 10), and Paul, future Metropolitan of Tobolsk (June 10 and November 4).

After completing his religious education, Stephen entered the Krasnogorsk Transfiguration monastery [later renamed the Protection monastery. In 1789, it was transformed into a women’s monastery], where his elder brother already labored in asceticism. On April 23, 1730 he received monastic tonsure with the name of Sophronius, in honor of Saint Sophronius of Jerusalem (March 11).

On the night after his monastic tonsure, Saint Sophronius heard a Voice in the Protection church predicting his future service: “When you become bishop, build a church dedicated to All Saints.”

In 1732, he was summoned to Kiev. There he was ordained hierodeacon, and then hieromonk in the cathedral of Holy Wisdom. After Saint Sophronius had been a monk for two years, he became treasurer of the Zolotonosh monastery for two years, and then His Grace Bishop Arsenius (Berlov) of the Pereyaslavl diocese sent him into the house of his archbishop, where he was steward for eight years.

These facts testify to the connections of the saint with his original Protection monastery. During his obedience under the presiding hierarch at Pereyaslavl, he often visited his monastery, spending the day in quiet contemplation and work, serving as an example to the brePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

802e9b  No.2139




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7d36df  No.1900[Reply]

Thoughts?

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cefee4  No.2089


84227b  No.2090

>>2089

He's right though. Havent seen anyone refute them


61dee3  No.2091

>>2090

That guy in particular is an autistic spammer with whom it is a waste of time to reason. You're not going to see anyone refute him, and that doesn't make anything he says right.

He is essentially correct in this circumstance though


bda650  No.2092

>>2090

The necessity of persistence in belief is not a defeater for eternal security, see "perserverance of the saints"


ea55ba  No.2108

>>2092

It wont, when that condition is stated alone. When paired with warning passages and indications one is in the process of falling away, it does. Regardless what is there opposes the views of many a Baptist and Evangelical




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2e29b8  No.2040[Reply]

Reminder that the RCC forbade (not only recommended against) the reading of thousands of books without permission from mommy church. This went on until the 20th century.

Banned books included:

>Luther and Calvin, for daring to believe what the Bible says about salvation

>Thomas Hobbes, Blaise Pascal, Rene Descartes and other philosophers, for thinking for themselves

>John Stuart Mill, for believing in political liberty

>Victor Hugo, because ?????

They even banned the entirely Roman Catholic, Benedictine monk Staupitz from history, who denounced the Reformation, because he was teacher to Luther.

This isn't something you do without cognitive dissonance. Truth doesn't fear investigation.

7902f7  No.2075

The Holy Bible was on this list




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