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8f180c  No.6357[Reply]

Other than denomination, what factors should people look for in a church and when should we break with a church.

1. Doctrinal differences

Should we leave a church because they are or are not calvinist, arminian or they hold pre-millennial or amillennial views? Of course we don't want to go to a mormon church or a LGBT friendly church- but how extreme does the doctrinal differences have to be before we leave.

2. Sinfulness

Should the sinfulness of the congregation come into play. I've never been to a church where I've seen them kick out a repeat sinner. Should this be something to consider?

3. Preaching

How important is preaching in a church? If the preaching is terrible and unedifying, but the doctrine and congregation are good, should we stay? If the preaching is good should that keep us in church despite a sinful congregation and bad doctrine.

4. Community

How important is a community in a church? My finding is that protestant church communities and small groups tend to be pretty insular and hard to break into. Catholic churches on the other hand tend to lack community.



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9fe77a  No.5621[Reply]

Okay, I've got to say it, I'm sick of the Catholic church.

It has noting to do with the pope, it has nothing to do with the scandals. It's all about what's missing from the church.

First the sermons lack spirituality and substance, aside from theological errors the average catholic sermon amounts to be nice to others, appreciate others etc. It's like something I could get by watching Barney and friends, it's divorced from scripture, tradition and it feels empty and stupid.

2. Catholics are not involved in church services - the average Catholic doesn't even sing along to church hynms.

3. I'm told that latin mass services are different and better - no it's not. Yes the sermons are a little more edifying, but the average church service seems just as empty

4. Nobody cares - proof - prottys have bible studies, small groups, church meets. What do we have, average church has legion of mary, knights of columbus each with a handful of old retirees and that's about it.

5. Average Catholic prays more to pet saints and Mary than to Jesus and says repetitive mind numbing rosaries and our fathers more than they actually pray. I don't even care about the debate but seriously what's the point of all this crap. Fine intercessory but are we practicing some medieval witchcraft where you say this novena to this saint 9 days in a row and your wish is granted. Seriously what the fuck?

6. Average Catholic is more familiar with church Catechisms than the bible and the teachings of Christ. Seriously? Why. I get that tradition is supposed to help us interpret scripture but it seems to me tradition has grown unwieldy and acted as a layer between us and scripture and oftentimes even replaced the guidance of scripture.

I'm sorry, say what you want about traditions and etc, this is a dying church without much to offer. Maybe it's better. Honestly I'm sick of this church and I feel like my faith and my life stagnate inside the Catholic church

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8d32d5  No.6304

>>6291

>>6292

>>6293

>>6294

You've put a lot of thought into this. The most important question is how it affects salvation, is the Catholic view compatible with Ephesians 2? Or does that constitute a works salvation false gospel.

It is my contention that it does, which is why we so urgently oppose it. The ordinance view still places great spiritual significance on the Lord's supper and baptism.

Where on you on the baptismal mode debate? Can baptism mean anything besides what it literally means, immersion?

Why do you reject eternal security? Are you sure those trouble passages are about salvation and not about fellowship?


4da8eb  No.6313

>>6304

>literally means, immersion?

It's not just immersion.

baptízō - to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water.


8d32d5  No.6314

>>6313

Okay more precisely the literal meaning is "dip under"

Can Biblical baptism be anything other than full immersion? Given the absence of a different mode of baptism, we should say "no"

That debate is secondary to the soteriological debate though


f0302b  No.6352

>>6299

A church with sound doctrine, and imperfect people is one thing, and quite normal. But a congregation that consists of two people who hold to Christian views, and the rest are completely lackadaisical? The Bible specifically instructs us to not be evenly yoked to non believers, and to not have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but to instead, expose them. How do you know for sure that the Holy Spirit led you to this parish? The spirits are to be tested, as scripture states. How do you know for sure that Satan is not just exploiting a subconscious egotistical pseudo-messiah complex fantasy about being the heroic true faith parishioner who single-handedly turns a church around, that you hold, in order to trick you into boarding the church equivalent of a Titanic heading straight for an iceberg, that God didn't want you to get on in the first place? Also:

>the youth is happily fornicating outside Sunday service, as usual for Protestants.

That shouldn't be "usual" for Protestants. At all.


f0302b  No.6356

>>6304

>is the Catholic view compatible with Ephesians 2?

I must admit, verses 14 through 18 have me thinking. Still, there are enough verses that seem to imply that there is more to Baptism than just a simple public declaration ritual to still leave me with some doubt and discomfort:

https://youtu.be/JwxHzo0QVYY

Still, while >>6313 makes a good point, subtly referencing the purifying and initiation washing rituals practiced by the Israelites even before baptism as we know it in the Christian sense, As Hebrews 10:1 puts it best: "For the law is a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of those things." Throughout the New Testament, there are implications of the New Covenant moving away from surface level rituals, to something more spiritually substantive.

>Where on you on the baptismal mode debate? Can baptism mean anything besides what it literally means, immersion?

I think the Didache puts it best: "Concerning baptism, baptize thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptize, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," in running water. But if thou hast no running water, baptize in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."

In other words, total immersion in running water is ideal, but if this is not practical or obtainable, the more important thing is to baptize by any means necessary. While it's not a deal breaker for me, necessarily, I do find the Evangelical "immersion only; period." philosophy a bit unnecessarily legalistic in regards to this aspect.

>Why do you reject eternal security?Post too long. Click here to view the full text.




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fe7fa9  No.5892[Reply]

I am not a Christian; I am a disciple of Christ. Can we just admit that we don't know whether creationism is true and I can't know? I follow the Teachings of Jesus which is found in the 4 gospels(Loving your enemies, forsaking everything, turning the other cheek, full devotion to God etc…) Nobody is going to hell for not believing the earth was literally created in 6 days.

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785cee  No.6339

>>6332

No it isn't, it is full of allegory and metaphor. Try reading it you dumbass.


0f4258  No.6343

>>6339

>>6335

>muh metaphor

>muh allegory

This is how you get led down the path of the Satan. If you read the Bible hunting for these things, you can extrapolate and interpret to your heart's desire! There is one meaning.


b2eedb  No.6345

>>6343

There is one meaning, yes, but sometimes that meaning is conveyed through metaphor (like when Jesus refers to himself as the door for the sheep, for example).


117281  No.6347

>>6343

I respect your zeal but you're making the wrong argument. What you mean to be arguing is that we shouldn't be explaining away the Bible's historical prose (like creation) to be some big metaphor.

Look up "historical-grammatical method". You use rules of literary genre to determine how to treat the text. This is the position held by we conservatives that is pejoratively called "literalism"


7c4169  No.6354

>>6335

>literal means without metaphor or allegory

Not necessarily. Since God is the author of reality, a story in the Bible can both be a literal account of an event that actually occurred and a metaphor for something else. The idea that literal truth and metaphorical meaning are mutually exclusive is based on an atheistic/deistic worldview in which reality is governed in an impersonal manner, rather than by a loving God.




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56993e  No.5742[Reply]

I was thinking about this recently. I didn’t really choose to believe, Christ just seemed true to me. Is believing vs not believing something really a choice? I read stories online a lot that just give me a knee jerk “this is bs” reaction. If that happens to you when you hear about Christ, is that really a choice? But then, how can a just God use faith for our salvation? Do we really have control over that?

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8bab4c  No.6324

>>6305

That's how it is a matter of opinion. Although the common idea is that it means using the Lord's name in curses or interjections, that's not at all clear from the original text. Lots of other explanations exist, including don't break an oath sworn in God's name, or don't make such an oath in the first place, or don't try to use God's name to conjure spirits, or don't tell lies in God's name by saying "God said fags are alright" for example.


4a0c1f  No.6328

>>6324

What are you blabbering about?

"In vain"; in irreverent or disrespectful manner. That's what happened in the post in question.


8bab4c  No.6340

>>6328

"In vain" is a translation. I am telling you the multiple interpretations that exist. Learn to read you dumb nigger.


4a0c1f  No.6342

>>6340

Show us a concordance with a competing definition, that permits using the Lord's name frivolously given that commandment


641835  No.6350

>>6340

>takes the lords name in vain

>calls it a matter of opinion when corrected

>uncharitably calls poster a "dumb nigger" and tells him to learn to read

I donno dude, you seem questionable to me at the moment




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c5675f  No.6000[Reply]

If you are not a marcionist, know that you are a bluepilled.

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807078  No.6344

>>6025

Hello, rabbi. Jews are servants of the Demiurge – aka Satan. Every since I discovered Marcion there was no going back for me.


60da9f  No.6346

>>6344

>His theology rejected the deity described in the Hebrew Scriptures and in distinction affirmed the Father of Christ as the true God. The Church Fathers denounced Marcion, and he was excommunicated. He published his own list of New Testament books,

daily reminder that Marcion and his followers are going to hell


807078  No.6348

>>6346

Your conflation of God and the Demiurge is what will land you in Hell.


f01c97  No.6349

>>6344

Gnostics aren't christian


9676a7  No.6351

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>>6090

>BLESSED BE YEHOVAH, THE LORD!

The Jews don't worship the Christian God.

>BLESSED BE ELOHIM.

It's the trinity, that's why it's plural.

>BLESSED BE SATA- G-D'S CHOSEN PEOPLE! WE, THE JEWS!

Unless it's compromised Christian Zionism, the Bible doesn't say that the Jews are god's chosen. Also "Blessed Be" is a pagan/wicca blessing.

>>6279

>BIBLE SEZ JEW

You have such a weak understanding of Jesus and what he was to Christianity, during saint Joseph's time Christians had to be Jewish before they could be Christian, and they started removing the Jewish entry into Christianity. Sure, Jesus was a Jewish, but he didn't finish Jewish.

>>6344

>muh Demiurge.




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2742fc  No.6338[Reply]

So I was thinking about why God lets some evil people become prosperous and why he lets some good and faithful people live in poverty or suffer.

Here is my understanding of things:

non-believers

God takes a hands off approach to those who do not accept Christ. He will not punish them for their sins but he will not reward or punish them either. He will however send them to hell after they die.

Believers

God will always provide what is sufficient to the believer, although this does not necessarily indicate wealth. He will punish believers for their sins in this life and reward them when they are good and faithful.

(this was taken mainly from Hebrews 12:6.)

non-hearers

To those who have never heard the world of Christ, God will look at their deeds and thoughts based on "the law that is written in their hearts" and as convicted by the holy spirit. They will be treated in the manner of believers or non-belivers to the extent that they practice the law as it is written in their hearts. (based on Romans 2:12-16)

Do you think this is an accurate depiction of how God treats believers and unbelievers in this world?

377c54  No.6341

>>6338

I don't know. The overall message I got from the Book of Job, and even from what Jesus said in some of the Gospels, is that bad and good things happening to believers and non-believers alike can possibly be punishment or reward, or it can be neither. It can be for the Glory of God, or as part of a larger plan, that we humans cannot even begin to comprehend, due to God being able to perceive everything on a universal cosmic scale (not to mention Him being the OG grand master of 4th dimensional chess.)

I think what you say about how God handles non-hearers is pretty spot on.




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7c4e86  No.5715[Reply]

I know seeing demons in everything and thinking a voice in your head is Jesus is generally not good. But when people reject superstition too much they end up creating strange armchair theology heresies like heaven and hell being your emotional state on Earth. Is it even possible for humans to intelligently discern genuine spiritual matters or does that itself require heavenly intervention?

7ab095  No.5719

Easy, you use sound hermeneutics to form your theology. It helps to look at where the church has historically stood on the doctrines too.

>Is it possible to discern spiritual matters

Not only is it possible, it's so easy a child can do it.

The Bible says Jesus died on the cross, that means Jesus died on the cross.

Of course there are harder doctrines to work out, and we are not promised to know every answer, but as a basic question we can obviously know spiritual things.

<14You (Timothy), however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them;

<15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

<16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

<17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. (2 Tim. 3:14-17 NAS)

You say "reject superstition too much", but there's no such thing. All superstition is to be rejected, it is all unbiblical.

Different from superstition is the supernatural reality of the universe. God supernaturally created everything, and we supernaturally deal in spiritual warfare. The alternative is naturalism, which says there is no supernatural, and is incompatible with the Bible.


1f34de  No.6303

>>5715

>Is it even possible for humans to intelligently discern genuine spiritual matters

Yes.


32c8d7  No.6336

>>5715

> Is it even possible for humans to intelligently discern genuine spiritual matters or does that itself require heavenly intervention?

well there has been heavenly intervention in the form of God himself literally coming down in the flesh and sharing with us all the secrets of heaven - and his apostles to help clarify and interpret his message.

Then there's the holy spirit who is there to convict us of sin and when we are doing something wrong.

Finally there's the 2 millenia of church tradition to help guide you

I don't know how much more is required - certainly seeing demons in everything and thinking you hear your voice in your head is not a requirement and you're not going to be falling into heresy without it


56ab35  No.6353

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>>5715

>humans are capable of this intuitively

>you SHOULD know this but alas your flag reveals all

<read your bible, numerous instances in OT

<secondly, the truth is not "superstition", the cause of your conflation of such is a repetition on your flag

>>5719

<this anon gets it

<superstition is unbiblical,

<any real rejection wouldnt result in odd heresies since the superstition shouldnt be there anyways

<but alas, your flag…

>>6336

>2 millenia

<its not 2400 AD yet

<thats when the papacy started

>traditions to rely on

<wasnt the point of this thread the rejection of superstitions while still recognizing legitimate spiritual matters?




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94dba3  No.4996[Reply]

Pickup artist RooshV finds Christ - bans premarital sex and hookup talk from his forums

new rules:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73256.html

Things you can discuss:

-Meeting women with the intention of entering a relationship with them

-Attracting women

-Going on dates

-How to enter relationships

-Using technology to meet women

-How to maintain relationships

-Sexual activity while married

Things you can no longer discuss:

-Meeting women with the intention of fornicating with them

-How to bang

-Physical intimacy with women you're not married to beyond the act of kissing

-Maintaining relationships with multiple women (i.e. spinning plates)

-Cheating on significant others (adultery)

-Using technology to fornicate

-Discussion of travel destinations which are best for fornication

-Stories of sexual activity while not married

-Promoting masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, etc.

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94dba3  No.5877

>>5875

I found one church like that but they turned out to be hardcore Calvinists which I couldn't abide and they got angry when I questioned

that doctrine during a bible study to the point that I didn't go back

Churches are desperate for members and desperate not to offend anyone and it seems like that is taking precedence over calling out sin


7a52a4  No.6301

>>4996

Logos is rising!


43b952  No.6310

>>4996

The times are changing.


ea5dcd  No.6334

He has found God, I am happy for him.


065d30  No.6337

>>4996

>found Jesus

>apostolicism

My doubt of that is boundless




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a069a5  No.22[Reply]

Every day they ban in the name of the lord.
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beaf5e  No.6262

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>>22

>Every day they ban in the name of the lord.

I'm laughing now.


23de64  No.6267

>>6262

>Church is infallible, therefore every priest and bishop is infallible

Why do they do that?


574c5e  No.6268

>>6261

I was born into a Catholic family, though, like most Catholics in my area, we all went atheist, and I came back as a larper. I'm a consumerist, consuming the experience of the Christian lifestyle, and consuming the words of God by which man should live instead of bread alone. I got more into this consumerist identity as time progressed and I started ironically observing the Commandments.


16aab9  No.6287

>>6267

Larpers suggest that the OP protesting against the RCC in Germany should move to another country, because there is a better RCC and talk bullshit about schism.

These retards don't even realize, that there is only one RCC in the entire world - the official one - and as a Catholic you are supposed to submit to that Church, because it's infallible.

If you protest it - guess what - you are in the footsteps of Martin Luther. That truth ruffled the larper mods.


5b0720  No.6333

>>6236

>the mods on /christian/ aren't real Catholics tho

Do you realize what a real Catholic is? Do you know what the 30 Years' War was? Winning at all cost is the essence of Catholicism. The Pope is the infallible vicar of Christ on earth, so whatever you do for his benefit is righteous.

If you put tolerance and discussion before bullying and tripping others up you've chosen the wrong denomination.




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a5bfcd  No.6325[Reply]

What exactly is gnosticism?

59d95e  No.6329

An esoteric, unbiblical theological system based on the idea that there's hidden spiritual knowledge (gnosis) behind the text of scripture. To them, the God of the OT is a different God called the demiurge, who is foil to the loving God of the NT.

You're either supposed to take gnostics at their word or personally receive this spiritual knowledge through special revelation, and they'll point to differences in the character of God or vague spiritual statements of scripture that they allege fit their view over the classical Christian view.

As anything it should be evaluated on whether it stands or falls against all of scripture. We can clearly conclude that it does not.

Here's a good short article

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-gnosticism.html


a5bfcd  No.6330

>>6329

Thanks for the answer


59d95e  No.6331

>>6330

yw friend




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57eef4  No.6315[Reply]

Hong Kong protests sing Christian hymns in the streets following days of brutal repression by police left dozens injured.

The protestors were mainly students singing Christian hymns and holding up signs demanding police to stop using violence against the people of Hong Kong,

The latest round of protests are the largest since the British ceded jurisdiction of the Island back to China. The protests are in response to a new law that would allow the government to extradite any Hong Kong citizen to China to face Chinese justice.

China's justice system lacks transparency and routinely represses speech and religion. In the past few years China has been taking action against Christian groups including arresting pastors and destroying Christian churches.

https://www.scmp.com/video/scmp-originals/3014431/hunger-strike-singing-hymns-peaceful-protests-day-after-clashes

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1130152/hong-kong-protesters-sing-hymns-slam-violence

749789  No.6320

>>6315

Press S to spit on communists

Press P if you're praying for persecuted Christians in Hong Kong


10af7b  No.6322

>>6320

/sp/?


00f19e  No.6326

>>6320

Jesus was a communist.


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6856b9  No.5613[Reply]

I heard dreams are a sign of your afterlife and my last two dreams have been nightmares. How do I fix it?

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4ea594  No.6316

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Dreams hold meanings. When I have a vivid and memorable dream I always try and ascertain the meaning. The internet is a good resource for interpreting dream symbols.

There is biblical basis for this. It can be seem when Joseph interpreted the pharaoh's dream and was able to tell him that the dream was warning him to save up food for an upcoming famine. In fact the ability to interpret dreams was Joseph's main gift from the lord. Further the prophet Daniel interpreted King Nebuchadnezzar's dream to tell him of future kingdoms that will come and perish and the sovereignty of God over the kingdoms of the Earth.

So yes there is a biblical basis for thinking that dreams have meaning. Often they are warnings or some other message that we are supposed to receive.

I had dreams recently that I was in school and always forgetting to attend a class and ended up missing it. It later became a dream that I forgot about a client and missed doing the work I was supposed to for him. I learned that these dreams reflect anxiety of feeling overwhelmed and I realized I needed to organize myself better and organize my time better in order to deal with this anxiety. So I made an agenda to help organize my time, read some time management articles and today I'm organizing my files for work.

Before I started my business I had a dream about a house filled with animals. There were bears walking around that seemed to want my attention but I avoided them because I felt afraid of them. There was also a mighty stag that leapt proudly around. There was an ape as well and the ape killed the stag.

I realized that the ape symbolized lack of discipline and the stag symbolized my ambitions. The dream meant that a lack of discipline was killing my ambitions. Also the bear symbolized independence. And my fear of it suggested that I feared being independent and being out on my own.

So yes, dreams can help provide important information. As for your dream, without knowing what it was about it's hard to interpret it. Maybe they are a warning that you will go to hell if you don't change your Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


8d8962  No.6319

>>6316

Anecdotes don't matter

Joseph was a prophet. There are no more prophets, because prophecy ceased.


4ea594  No.6321

>>6319

interpreting dreams =/= prophecy.

Also assuming that dreams had meaning in old testament times and suddenly stopped having meaning now is nonsensical. What were dreams prophetic back then - if so why did people who clearly weren't prophets like Nebuchadnezzar still have prophetic dreams


4ea594  No.6323

>>6321

>what were dreams prophetic back then

should be

*Why were dreams prophetic back then


d4292d  No.6355

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>>5613

There is no gay sex in heaven so screw it. Accept fate.




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1f1555  No.6044[Reply]

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1f1555  No.6196

>>6180

>>6191

this is silly


a0df9b  No.6198

>>6196

glownigger


1f1555  No.6199

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>>6198

that'd be you


1f1555  No.6258

bump


1f1555  No.6306

bump




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ac7172  No.5749[Reply]

>A California bill would end the exemption for clergy from a state law that mandates those who have knowledge of child sex abuse to report it to authorities, even if heard in confession.

>The bill passed in the state Senate on May 23rd in a 30-4 vote, with 4 senators not voting. The vote was largely along party lines, with 27 Democrats and 3 Republicans voting in favor, while 4 Republicans voted against. The 4 senators not voting included 3 Republicans and 1 Democrat.

>Currently in the state of California, doctors, psychiatrists, therapists, and others are considered “mandated child abuse and neglect reporters” and are legally obligated to break client privilege and report suspected child abuse and neglect, without exception. Members of the clergy also fall under this category, but an exception is given if knowledge is obtained during penitential communication, or confession.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/california-passes-controversial-confession-bill

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137635  No.5817

>>5814

I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying that state compulsion is a bad idea. I'm not in favor of bars either but I don't want the state retrying prohibition.


565492  No.6083

>>5749

This is actually a good thing from a Catholic point of view because it will flush out all the apostates and homosexuals in the priesthood. None of them are going to risk going to jail to preserve the seal of confession.


bf961f  No.6111

>>5749

A single child rapist running around freely is not worth the seal of confession. I know that the Catholic church likes to protect their pedophiles, but I'm glad that the state will finally intervene because the Cathofags obviously won't.


08f9a0  No.6138

>>6111

But if a child rapist is confessing his sins, it means he feels remorseful and wants to stop, and is open to things like therapy and turning himself in.

Do people really think that taking away the opportunity to remorsefully talk about your misdeeds is actually going to help prevent misdeeds?


ac7172  No.6290

>>6138

>Do people really think that taking away the opportunity to remorsefully talk about your misdeeds is actually going to help prevent misdeeds?

There are prison chaplains for that.




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9d428e  No.6231[Reply]

Is anything in the right column even remotely accurate?

1c4c43  No.6239

Put the best interest of others above your own seems to be accurate

"Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit but in humility consider others better than yourself"

Of course that also means supporting your family first, being a good worker to your boss first and then not trying to further yourself but being good to others.

Everything else is wrong though but I don't think I have to go piece by piece

"encourages equality"

The bible presents inequality of people - men and women, Jew Gentile, Believers unbelievers, etc.

Charity and dependence? Really, if a man does not work let him not eat is right there

It does promote some charity like leaving the edges of your field for the poor to take - if the do the work of gleaning it.

But all in all everything about the right hand column is just fiction by some fedora who doesn't understand the faith


d2db56  No.6240

>>6239

>Put the best interest of others above your own seems to be accurate

You've fallen for the image's trap: it's intentionally ambiguous with who "your own" really means and when compared to the opposite side, it's likely implying Christians must place the interests of foreigners above our own kin and countryman. Does a man who houses active thieves, rapists, and murderers while shunning all attempts to stop or reform them truly care for his neighbours?


f2fa74  No.6247

> But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Cor 5


664fe2  No.6275

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>>6231

>not a single cultural or historical account to back up the left image

>not a single biblical verse or historical account to back up the right image

Just more larpagan straw man.


2f5a2f  No.6288

>>6231

There are two options:

1. Heathen (regardless of political affiliation): Desperately try to create a hedonist paradise on Earth and earn death.

2. Christian: Help building God's kingdom and earn eternal life.

When you look close enough, you will notice, that most the refugee shenanigans depicted as "Christian" fall under 1.




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