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Hey /film/! Any of you like or own any books on film? If you do do you have any preferences, or disapprove of particular authors? What are your general thoughts on film theory? I own a couple and enjoy having them in my library.

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Just in case you need more details of Jonas Mekas' personal life

<A Dance with Fred Astaire is an extraordinary collection of anecdotes and rare ephemera from the life of legendary artist, filmmaker and bon vivant Jonas Mekas, featuring a dizzying cast of cultural icons both underground and mainstream. Memories, diary entries, conversations, and insights into his work sit alongside collages of beautifully reproduced postcards, newspaper cuttings, film negatives, lists, posters and photographs, envelopes and letters, book covers, telegrams, cartoons and doodles. Mekas has kept and archived the artifacts of his life as a cultural touchstone down to the minutiae, all of which is brought together here in the form of a unique and fascinating scrapbook of a life lived with the highest artistic commitment. Guided by Mekas’ distinctive prose and suffused with warmth, A Dance with Fred Astaire is rhapsodic, poetic and funny as all get out. A revealing visual autobiography of a genuine culture hero.




Do you own it? Is there an English translation?



>Is there an English translation?



Is there a gold standard for a cumulative history book on film?


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Maybe someone has a better suggestion but The Story of Film is a book with an accompanying documentary series

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I've made a discord server for discussion of arthouse and experimental cinema, please join in you are interested.


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Please don't talk about sothoth that way. I think he is cool even if he can act like a dick sometimes.



Sothoth is a big gay ugly faggot in his 30s who will contract a deadly std and will die alone in his shithole apartment in his shitpile country surrounded by his gay camwhore chat logs and Edd begging him on discord to laugh at the latest leftist circlejerk meme.


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why is this thread getting so much action

btw, discord is for retarded faggots


rickmasters is the coolest



This guy knows whats up

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Help me understand why Blade Runner i held in such high praises, please. I watched it recently and there are a few points that I question "why would someone even consider this to be good?". Overall, it seems like a decent movie but I can't see anything there to make it stand the test of time at all, other than possibly having little competition in it's particular genre.

On the contrary, I actually got irked by a lot of details in it's world and how the story was told, the kind of details I'd expect fans of cyberpunk to really have a problem with.

I've been told that, in terms of cinematography it's a very well shot movie and the visuals are amazing for it's characterization of the world and the characters. I'll agree here and this is definitely a good enough reason to see the movie, but this doesn't make up for these 2 problems:

1-Replicants make no sense in any way

Replicants seem to be biological to a great degree, considering they can bleed and the whole "rapid degradation" part of the plot, plus their need to eat or drink.

But this places them closer to synthetic humans than machines, despite being treated by the movie was androids. The ethics here are entirely different but the distinction isn't ever made properly.

Machines can indeed be treated as machines, they lack actual sentience.

Clones or synthetic humans are indeed humans and it's morally and ethically wrong to handle them like machines.

And yet, despite refering to Replicants as machines the whole movie, it seems that the idea is to think of them like synthetic humans instead, which makes little to no sense.

Even if they were handled as cyborgs, that's still an enhanced human and therefore still can't be handled as a machine.

Then there's the "implanted memory" bits. If there's the ability to implant fake memories in Replicants, what does this mean for their brain? Is it organic or synthetic? If its organic, the same technology could be used to implant memories in humans but this doesn't seem to be even considered in the movie, but if their brains are synthetic, then how do they interfacePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>I honestly don't understand why Blade Runner is so popular, it removes all the most interesting parts of PKD's book. It's pretty, but so what?

I think part of the popularity is the mysterious nature of the interpretation and divisive opinions that form around it. Ridley Scott and the prominent crew and actors seem more than content to remain ambiguous in their answers to any inquiries, and even contradictive. Rather than spoon feed you the answers, you're required to pore over the film, scripts, deleted scenes, and form your own inconclusive opinion that they will never validate in any definitive manner.



It's the atmosphere and mood for me that I love. I also think it has thematic weight, but not related to the issue of what makes us human.


Blade Runner is a very beautiful movie. I don't really understand your question. Why do you need someone to explain to you why it's good or not. If you didn't like, you didn't like it; majority rule does not matter.

I wish mainstream movies like this were still made. Even scores are lacking in comparison to some of the movies that were coming out over 20 years ago.



It's a rare mainstream film which adopts the atmospheric and contemplative tone usually only seen in arthouse films.

It is a terrible shame that these kind of films are not made with a large budget, but I suppose that's to be expected.



First, the movie is a continuation of the hard-boiled detective genre, so it has certain stylistic choices that preclude the sort of philosophical musings you seem to expect. Have you read "The Big Sleep"? The meaning of the title is not even explained until the last few sentences of the book. The plot is somewhat covoluted, but certainly not philosophical. It is all about a detective doing his thankless job for $20 per day plus expenses. And for that money, he does his own thinking. So, don't expect the plot of Blade Runner to do the thinking for you. It is a yarn about a detective-killer who is on assignment to track down four (five) replicants. If any special musings about the meaning of life emerge from that - they'll have to happen in your own brain, on your own time and your own dime. That's the genre.

Second, don't be so quick to call the replicants psychopaths. They are neither defective humans nor an alien species. They are human creations. Humans endowed them with bodies superior to man, intellect superior to man, and emotions of a child. If they act out, whose fault is it, really? The movie is very subtle about this, but with the exception of Roy, I could make the case that every replicant really does, at one point or another, show itself to be an emotional child. If a two year old strikes you with his fists out of frustration, whose responsibility is it? Do you protect the child, or do you kill it? I mean, it did attack you for no good reason, so it must be a psychopath, right? If you deliberately made an emotional two-year-old but gave it the strength and intellect of an adult, so when it acts out, it kills instead of harmlessly wailing, whose responsibility is it? Can you even assign that responsibility? To Tyrell Corporation? That's faceless. To Tyrell alone? Sebastian? The man who made the eyes? All of them? For me, one of the points raised by the movie is that the replicants may not be responsible for who and what they are, and are therefore not responsible for their actions. The humans are. And the "human" way of taking responsibility is to murder all replicants who make it to Earth. The term "psychopath" certainly applies, but to whom?

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I can't remember the last time I genuinely laughed during a movie. Is it just me or does anyone else feel like comedies are the worst modern genre of movies?

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My mother left my father in her midlife crisis. She ran away with my godfather in a fit of reinvigoration, and spent years reinventing herself and doing arts and crafts, finding her "true self", becoming actualised and present, and the best person the can be. She is now living with said godfather.

They payed me a visit last weekend. We had lunch. I told her that I am incredibly unstable and unhinged, that I am angry, neurotic, in constant physical pain, and that I am the unhappiest I have been in my life, and I have lost all hope about ever living any sort of stable life.

She then spent two hours telling me about how she spends her evenings sitting in the living room knitting, and how he just started building a lathe. They were really exicted about it, especially the lathe. That alone was an hour of conversation for them.

About a day later, I realised that they are both just waiting to die, and hoping to pass the time in the least straining way possible.




>Meet the jewish woman who is crowdfunding her way to a husband!


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what's going on here



Great story anon.


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Movies about sadism?

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Like this you mean?


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Hell yeah. Only one I've seen is Graphic Sexual Horror but it wasn't my favorite. If anyone can beat this shit you're in for a treat.


idk, Saw?



>Hell yeah. Only one I've seen is Graphic Sexual Horror but it wasn't my favorite

Agree it's not the best but I do think back to it sometimes

The Image is HOT and The Duke of Burgundy is a nice stylish film

I thought of these general categories of films that deal with sadism

- stories about Marquis de Sade

- home invasion (Funny Games, The Penthouse '67)

- kidnapping/captivity (The Collector '65)

- torture porn (as mentioned with Saw, I avoid)


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Martyrs kinda fits here

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Hey /film/ I'm gathering a bunch of movies for October. I stream them on a chat site and am aiming for less populists films that a general audience may have not seen. I should probably add a few crowd-pleasers but what do you think thus far and what would you add?

Here's the link to the spreadsheet, all the movies are hyperlinked to their letterboxd profiles.


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Happy Halloween /film/. What are you watching?



nothing unfortunately, it got too late



Oh brother get ready i'm not joking about it looking like a channel awesome skit.

I think parts were actually shot on an iPhone.



The same thing happened to me. Hollidays fly by and I don't even notice them anymore.

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ITT: Actual opinions you have that gets you labelled a hipster by your friends

>I will watch 80's and 90's J-Horror on DVD because the Blu Ray releases clean up too much of the grain and that kind of ruins it for me.

>Because i'm the only Film grad in my circle of friends they assume its a snob thing they always give me shit for.

>But every one of them is an audio quality autist.

I just like grain in old horror, it feels more authentic and i know it makes me sound like a goddamn chode but its honestly how i feel about them.

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What are you grabbing?
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Is there any chance of an invite to CG? It's the only private tracker besides What I'm interested in.




> (10 weeks ago)

> Due to recent attacks on the site, all invites have been suspended for the time being.

That's all I know. The site still doesn't work very well. No freeleech this year and it takes at least 30 seconds to load a page.



Fuck. That's a shame.


anyone here have an invite to a film tracker thats not sc? would really appreciate one. thanks! zeey9696@gmail.com


It's back!

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<Absolute horror киноs that only you have seen.

This movie is so underrated. The first time I saw it was on Showtime in the 90s at like 3 am and was blown away by the part of the movie where they go in the dudes underground catacombs. Some real Lovecraftian shit.


><that only you have seen.

I can't think of horror, only other kinds of movies


This movie sucks. /tv/ hive mind at its finest. I don't care if it's O'Bannon it's trash.

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What do you think of them?

Can you appreciate any musicals or do showtunes give you a migraine?

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The Blues brothers is one of my favorite films.


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I've wanted to watch HEAD but I keep forgetting about it


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Everything Busby Berkeley did in the early 1930's is essential—not really for the music but for the sets and choreography.



any other recs?

I'm interested to see


South Pacific

Porgy and Bess

My Fair Lady (I don't expect it to be better than Pygmalion)

all these musicals have something else in common...


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I just discovered Jean-Pierre Ponnelle. This looks fantastic even though I've always hated opera.

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I think /film is saved! I've never seen so much activity in my whole time here!

Hooray! Let's celebrate by posting people perfect for /кино! I'll start :)




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Not too active today. It will probably go up and down as usual but I think the overboard helps.

> Let's celebrate by posting people perfect for /кино

I've found ideal candidates while reading Wikipedia but I can't remember them right now...

How about historical events? I want to see something about the Siberian War.


Miklós Jancsó directed a film about a very similar conflict in Hungary, The Red and the White


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film is saved!

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Hello! I'm not exactly certain how alive this board is, but hopefully you can help. I'm looking for depressing films. Some films I think might be considered depressing (or in some way dealing with depression)that I enjoyed: The seventh continent, wild strawberries, taxi driver, eraserhead, and The Seventh Seal.

If any of you guys could recommend something to me, I would be very grateful. Thank you!

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Have you seen Grave of the fireflies?


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that video is blocked in US but I found a trailer



Is it now? Well that sucks, but there are probably other sources out there. A great film in my opinion


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I'd say the approach of this film is more optimistic about humanity, not full-on misanthropic, but yeah the imagery alone is pretty bleak.

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Just checked back in. When will /film/ have a quality renaissance?




this thread isn't raising quality at all


If we can't raise quality, let's at least lament and reflect on its current level.

(So here's a shortest description of human culture.)


It might pick up after summer is over



After democrats get their asses kicked midterms and their party dissolves, unlocking the control the left/neo-liberals have on Hollywood.

(((They))) will get desperate and release films that aren't plagued by cultural marxism.


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Let's get philosophical for a moment, /film/. Over the past several years, I've been getting deeper and deeper into film, and have watched countless movies from increasingly obscure countries and directors, which veer further and further away from accessibility and closer to art. I've found that the effect of viewing so many films which, assuming you buy at least a little bit into the auteur theory, are personal expressions of the feelings of the directors and writers who created them, is my increasing realization of the subjectivity of human experience.

Essentially, being exposed to all of these differing subjective visions of these artists has stripped away my preconceptions of ideology and caused me to question the forces which govern my own life and existence. I haven't really done any hallucinogens, but I've been around people who have, and I feel like exposure to art has the same dissociating effects that drugs can, in that art makes you realize your own insignificance, and also connection to the greater whole of humanity. I'm not trying to say that I'm some sort of enlightened being just because I have watched a bunch of obscure movies, but I do feel like watching so many personal and artistic films has caused a change in myself and my perception of the world. Sorry for the rant, but if this makes any sense, does anyone else feel the same? I can also clarify what I mean in more detail if I have to, I think what I'm saying makes sense but it's kind of hard to put into words succinctly.


I don't have much to add but I agree. Same happened to me in a way.
I take it your choosing of Tarkovsky as the OP pic means you've read his quotes on cinema, art and spirituality. If not, please do so. It might be exactly what you need to read right now.



Just stepping in to say all film is art, be it Stalker or Persona, or transformers and point break

Worthwhile art is a different, more subjective concept entirely

Carry on


Yeah, Tarkovsky's films were some of the first I saw of a spiritual/philosophical nature that had a big effect on me, and the excerpts I've read of Sculpting in Time also informed a lot of my thinking on art and stuff for a while.

Yeah I wouldn't disagree, but for the most part, commercial films like Transformers have had a different effect on me than "art house" films by Bergman or Tarr or something. They both fall under the category of art, but their aims and effects are different, and it's the art house films which have changed the way I think about things.


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>replying to a three year old post

>only on /film/

While I understand, I respectfully disagree, sort of; as I have had a different experience with the viewing of films.

I feel as though many personal films offer a far more subjective view of reality than a more objective, even collective view. For example, many foreign films require a certain premeditated knowledge of the culture and history of the country. Many deal with issues of the time and I would be lying if I said that I can relate to these themes, ideas, and concepts.

You mention hallucinogens. Many of these drugs offer a more universal perspective of the world. They won't allow you to understand (depending on what it is) themes in an obscure Polish film (although they possibly could for the individual) but instead will give you a more universalist (fuck I hate that word) perspective on things.

I don't know, I'm talking out of my ass here.

And with that said films like The Hourglass Sanatorium, Golem, etc. do indeed support your statements. These are films that absolutely present a narrative that covers ideas and such that are not exclusively native to the place where they come from.


Yes, movies like Transformers are usually made for profit, not necessarily as art.

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Managed to see this for the first time at a Manga Entertainment limited showing last night and a day later i'm still thinking about this.

On face value it is essentially a "what were the people not in the giant robots doing during the first angel attack in Eva" kind of story. 80% of the film is just politicians and scientists in a room talking. But i fucking loved it. It was the first time in a very long time i have seen a film in a mainstream cinema and thought it was good. Not competant. Not 'okay for an advert' but genuinely good. It is a thoughtful, methodical yet unpretentious commentary on the Japanese governments dealings with Fukushima. Its on the nose as far as asian cinema goes, but its not the barebones you would get from a western film. Theres no 'its coming because it got lured by nuclear reactors, truly the worst monster was man' bunkum. The film starts assuming its a volcanic disaster, the only change once Gojira shows up is the sentiment that its a disaster with no precedent, can they mobilise the JSDF or is this breaking the WWII surrender agreements.

Its not a pacific rim style love letter, its taking the base idea of Godzilla as a natural disaster brought on by nuclear catastrophe rather than a heroic sentai style giant monster fighting hero and using it as a completely serious discussion on how japan has so few infrastructures in place for disasters which in real world terms is strange when they are on the most violent fault lines on earth the 'ring of fire' that circles the pacific ocean.

The soundtrack ranges from Godzilla to heavy Evangelion inspiration. The acting ranges from rare but still there 'is this guy trying to be comedic?' japanese acting to solid performances from the older actors in particular but the lead while not excellent is believable as a character rather than an actor going through the motions of the script. Where the film stood out though -and it surprised me- was the cinematography. To sell the movie we were mostly shown trailers using static, wide shots but the majority of the movie uses some genuinely beautiful, subtle techniques that was a sign of a cinematographer in love with his work going far above what he had to do to bring what he wanted to the shots. Lingering tracking shots that use mise-en-scene to create sillouettes and a uPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


I liked it. Sorry my reply is shit but I'm tired.


It's Anno making real robot genre anime movie without robots. "Real monsters", probably.

Judging CGI is hard, because you never know what part of it is bad, and what part looks inspiring enough for Japanese. Trains could have been made less Densha Otoko-ish, though.



The strange part is how you go 'man that guy in the suit looks fake' BUT IT WAS CGI MEANT TO LOOK LIKE A GUY IN A FUCKING SUIT

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