/film/ - FILM

Over time I began to take more interest in a film's visual composition than the plot itself, and most mainstream cinema doesn't really scratch that itch.

The main problem is that I've never taken film classes or anything like that so I can't really explain why I enjoy certain shots over others aside from some vague mumbo-jumbo. Maybe learning more about filmmaking would help, dunno what books I'd start with though since I've heard Setting Up Your Shots isn't that great.

my dad had/has a big ass collection of dvds, i started just going on imdb and 'top movie' lists and watching the ones my dad had in his collection. some of them really stuck with me like The Fountain, Kagemusha/Ran, Kubrick in general, Lawrence of Arabia. kept scratching that itch, eventually i was looking through one of those lists and david lynch came up. dad didn't have any of his movies, but i found twin peaks on netflix. after seeing the first dream sequence in that it fully hit me how much i loved the medium and the possibilities therein. my love of lynch led to websites with more 'sophisticated' lists (think TSPDT v. imdb top 500) and more esoteric ones, that's basically it. don't remember how i got into really truly considering the elements of film, but it happened somewhere in there and now i literally can't enjoy modern mainstream cinema because the visuals and everything else are so distasteful to me

I always loved movies but only watched children's films, Disney, The Goonies or whatever. I'd go see the new superhero movie or whatever was coming out.

Then around early high school I start wanting to watch more serious movies. Like every 15 year old I got started on Tarantino, Fincher, what have you. I started watching what my favorite directors like and that broadens things up into foreign film territory. I started browsing boards like this and seeing patrician infographics and I was like, I wanna be like that.

It's pretty much been like that ever since. I find out about a director, a style of film, a movement, an important period, and I want to get a taste of it. And if I like it I want to see more.

I think the first real art house film I saw was Eraserhead. I didn't really "like" it at the time, per se, but I was fascinated.

It didn't really incite my interest in art house but it did stick with me. I think that was my first exposure to something totally different and surreal.

Most cinephiles develop that way, I think. It's just a gradual desire to see new things and be more informed. There's definitely a competitive feeling for me. I don't like the feeling of having to tell someone I haven't seen something. And there's still a ton of classic films I've not seen yet and I try desperately to conceal that.

>>4051

How old are you and have you ever fucked a real woman without paying her?

I've always liked a large variety of movies. My parents had a pretty big laser disc, vhs, and dvd collection that I started looking through when I was an infant. The first art house film that I remember seeing was Little Otik aka Greedy Guts on Sundance, and this was when I was very young but I did enjoy it and it definitely made an impression on me. I of course went through the artsy mainstream director phase around late middle school to mid high school. I'm 19 now and I only recently got more into films on the more obscure side, like 500 or less ratings on IMDB.

Eraserhead

... enough said

>>4159

>Paprika

Perfect Blue as well

probably Isolation. Im always eager to watch the motion picture of a Francis Bacon.

whats your?

>>5092

Are you talking about man vs self? I love isolation and survival themes where one man is put into a horrible survival scenario and somehow comes out of it alive.

As far as my favorite theme, I don't know. Probably the one I find most interesting at the moment is the duality of man. A great example of this would be the Joker in Full Metal Jacket.

That's not my all time favorite though, I'll have to give it some thought and come back later.

Life & Poetry

Bright star (2009)

Mysterious Skin

La Dolce Vita

>>8655

Wild Strawberries

Cries & Whispers.

Ordet

I cried by the end, even if I'm not a believer

>>8586

> Can you recommend nice websites to find/watch films?

Did you see this thread? >>4115

>>8594

Well these sites are closed for a reason, they don't want everyone in there. And it's hard to gauge peoples' reputations on an imageboard. Do you have any torrent accounts?

Since that site is based on people uploading links, maybe you can prove your worth if you handpick 3 films and upload them in the request thread

>>8614

I have never had to torrent anything... Do you mean like kickass? Because I could easily make an account. Also could you link me to the request thread.

>>8635

requests are here >>4115

I was just curious about torrents b/c it would be one way to see how much you share. You don't really need to make a new acct if you don't already have one

>>8586

Before torrents there was eMule. Have you tried it? http://emule-project.net/

>>6669

That description i think it's setting a lot of people to disappoinment, just saying.

Trailer for the new theatrical run

http://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whatson/philharmonia-061116-94847

http://www.bfi.org.uk/whats-on/bfi-film-releases/napoleon

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Tell us some interesting things you've read about it

>>7844

man i havent been coming on here very often. thanks for the suggestions, I've seen Helvetica, it was good, I think Zorn's Lemma is closer to what I'm thinking of. I read Mythologies by Barthes, Precession of Simulacra by Baudrillard, On Several Regimes of Signs by D&G, and some other assorted essays. I've been especially interested in the way that symbols take on significance in relation to nations, and how they're disseminated in images through the media and advertising, and function as centers of power. One good example would be the way that North Korea portrays their leaders, there's plenty of books about it. The visual and aural aspects of film seems well equipped to portray and deconstruct the relationships that images have with our daily lives. One example of what I'm thinking of could be The Creators of Shopping Worlds by Harun Farocki. I think the avant garde is probably the best place to find thoughtful deconstructions of image processing and symbol-making, I'm just not exactly sure where to look

"Semiotics in the Kitchen"

I don't know if this is relevant despite the name. I like how the format of this short can be easily adapted or parodied.

The message is whiny feminism, meh. The kitchen is so oppressive.

OP here returning to this thread after a few months, I've gone on to watch many of Godard's mid-period films. They were exactly what I was looking for, Gai De Savoir in particular was fantastic and the Dziga Vertov films are interesting if imperfect. I've also been trying to watch more films by Harun Farocki but his stuff is really hard to find, anyone have any idea where to watch his films?

>>8626

Which Farocki are you looking for?

>>8467

I don't know, what hypnotizes me or calls me about the film is something else entirely. I'm usually not that fond of family films like that, but Minnelli's luminous composition and the way the characters evolve around the space they're given its all magical to me (you can appreciate this when the father sings "You and I" and the whole family starts surrounding him). I'm also very intrigued by his way of portraying family relations because I think it's beyond superb, also really admired this aspect in Some Came Running.

All the jokes really stuck with me, nothing fell flat and all the characters are so delightful.

Admittedly, part of my love for the film comes from seeing it on Christmas time in New York (35mm) I cried a lot that time I admit.

Judy Garland isn't gorgeous but she's incredibly energetic and brings a lot to the film, I don't know if she was married to Minnelli already on that time.

Beautiful beautiful technicolor.

>>8382

I saw it on TV during Christams. It was pretty good. Being a musical, I wasn't expecting it to be very interesting visually I don't really know much about musicals, but I really liked the look of the film.

>>8559

yeah I'm not really enthusiastic about musicals, but Minnelli's musicals are something else.

Allegedly Cukor's musicals are great as well, he even has one (or more?) with Garland, but I haven't seen any of them yet.

>>8561

>Allegedly Cukor's musicals are great as well, he even has one (or more?) with Garland, but I haven't seen any of them yet.

The only movies of his I've seen are The Philadelphia Story and Gaslight. They're not musicals, but I enjoyed them both quite a bit. The Philadelphia Story has some fantastic dialog.

I think documentary is probably the most potent, because it captures actually "real" characters. the filmmaker may or may not inject their own take on what is captured, but always you (with a good doc), you are left with a lot to think about that can be approached from a variety of ways. Abbas Kiarostami (sp?) comes to mind, great documentarian. I also like Werner Herzog's documentaries a lot, he definitely injects a lot of himself and his own thoughts into them though

like above poster says, it is difficult to find a film that will go into such depth with a character or an idea that you would find in literature. to me, film is all about observation and extrapolating from that; film making is about providing a certain perspective to observe from I guess. Terrence Malick's films I think are some of the best, he really lays things out beautifully and there is so much to consider in the way he shoots things, just deeply ponderous on the human condition. I think you just need to approach film in a different way, maybe

>>5450

>>5452

Thank you both for the answers. I find it intriguing to watch more documentaries, but I'm searching for fiction.

I have a hard time expressing what I'm after. I understand that film is more of a observing practice than reading, but that doesn't exclude character studies and philosophy, or does it? My idea is that some films put things in perspective and therefore learn life lessons, like "A Short Film About Killing".

I'll look into Ruin and Rivette!

>>5455

One of the things I enjoy about film is often the lack of overbearing narrative, that is so common in literature and elsewhere. It's not uncommon to have certain documentaries that don't really have any clear message, but are more or less an aesthetic exploration of the subject.

In terms of Malick, there are some pretty dope explorations of morality/conformance in Badlands, and Thin Red Line is an excellent 'philisophical' exploration of the nature of war.

I agree that Herzog and Kiarostami are great places to start at. Though in general, I think you can find films that have excellent explorations of the respective subject matter regardless of the 'genre' of the film. I could maybe recommend more if you gave specific examples of film that fit the criteria you are looking for that you have already watched.

One that comes to mind, given your partiality towards DFW, is Un homme qui dort, which is an exploration of depression and angst manifested in a Parisian student. It's one of my favorite films!

Theres a bunch of films that you can extract phiolosophical ideas/concepts from them. But since I think you mean like more obvious ones, maybe A torinoi lo(2001,tarr) ?

>>5450

narrattive are a little at odds in film

this basically, since film is a visual media you dont need an allmighty voice telling you everything that happensand why it happens and why does it matter.

>>5510

> 'philisophical' exploration of the nature of war.

Could Judgment at Nuremberg(61) be consider as such? it has a lot of monologues about the ethics of the war

>>5448

Watch Persona, Face of Another and Shadows of Our Forgotten Ancestors

another one from Hitchcock (North by Northwest), does this qualify?

>>8486

Definitely one or two examples of it there, yeah.

Specifically when he pulls her up into the bunk.

>>8491

Well the name for the general concept is "match cut". Some more examples in this video...most of these do not meet your specific criteria however

>>8450

I rewatched Room 237 and it wasn't explained.

>>8454

I was thinking they could tie it in with their statements about impossible architecture of The Overlook. The music is another impossibility. Personally I think it was purely a stylistic choice - the music was chosen because conveyed the right mood.

While we're one the subject what's with the main theme being a rendition of Berlioz's Symphony fantastique? Here are the two tracks for reference skip to 3:45 in the second vid to hear the theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgCejsyS0t8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLtoGYS9BqM

what's the deal?

I'm down for whatever poll you guys decide to make

I've written some reviews for obscure films on 4chan, maybe i can find them and post them here

>>8410

Yes. I was planning to include those as another list. I think I can link to every Film Club thread within the list. All the films are worth watching...and even the preliminary discussions led to other interesting titles.

>>8412

Sounds good. There are a lot of reviews here already so I will probably pick some others from old threads.

>>8390

i'll think about it if i see more turkish flags around here telling me about your films

>>8392

I like Cüneyt Arkın's films, they're gloriously terrible.

Joint, alright.

I think Phantom of The Paradise is a better film. The music might not be as good as Lisztomania, but IMO it's still the greatest musical cinema ever.

>>7221

I love Tommy. Haven't seen Altered States though.

>>7464

i saw rocky horror and was severely disappointed. so much hype around it, i wasn't expecting it to be "good" but thought it would be weird enough to be enjoyable, but it's just kind of shitty and mildly strange

for my part I think The Wall movie is fantastic, that album is very cinematic and I think it makes more sense as a film

Tommy from 1975 is enjoyable.

>>7459

it's funny to see tripfags who post once and are never heard from again