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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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8a3d10  No.789347[Reply]

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f88c80  No.794316


Pretty close. Although we're obviously not Palamites (nor scholastics as Roman Catholics are).

5bdad7  No.794510

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I know OP, I can confirm he also got banned for believing 1 Enoch is Scripture as the Ethiopian Church does. How did you get unbanned, brother?

I am a Roman Catholic myself, and have nothing but love for the Coptic/Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches.

Let us stop slandering our brothers so terribly.

From my understanding, the reasons for the rejection of 1 Enoch were not due to the book itself having heresy or occultism, but due to forgeries. This would not be the only instance of this happening in the Churches, the Acts of John, the Clementine Homilies, the writings of Origen quite possibly (read St. Pamphilus' Apology for Origen) and most labelled pseudepigrapha in general.

I will explain.

>"1" Enoch used by at least *some* mainline Jews in the 1st century at the latest, this is evident by the fact Jesus Christ Himself cross references lines and passages that can only be linked back to the book

>Apostles, at the very least St. Peter and St. Jude cross reference to it, as well as immediate Apostolic Fathers such as St. Clement of Rome in 1 Clement.

>By the time Christianity is legalized in the Roman Empire, Manicheanism picks up traction and has with it a Manichean Book of Giants that can be confused with 1 Enoch.

>During this time, "2" Enoch is most likely written by Melchizedekians, a heresy that believed that Melchizedek was higher than Jesus and was born of a virgin birth. (2 Enoch has a section with this exact belief)

>the rabbinical 3 Enoch is written at some point during the 1st-6th century AD, I personally believe it's written around the 2nd or 3rd. (Tannaic period)

>due to there being several Enochic books at this point, 1 Enoch is misappropriated as apocryphal by some of the Church Fathers, including ones I myself admire such as St. Augustine

>St. Augustine, who wrote extensively against the Manicheans and had early assocPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

5bdad7  No.794513


* the Acts of John, writings of Origen possibly and the Clementine Homilies etc. were all interpolated upon by heretics, specifically Gnostics but were possibly not forgeries entirely from their inception.

5bdad7  No.794516


* I will also state that despite the fact I believe Church Fathers confused 1 Enoch with other heretical works, within the context they were in and what they were dealing with, I fully understand and support the decision of 1 Enoch not being in the Western and Eastern canons. I think that, the condemnation of Origen's writings and the condemnation of Evagrius Ponticus' writings were fully justified and was best in order to prevent heresy from entering the Churches.

75a8d0  No.794531


>Although we're obviously not Palamites

This makes you more based than Easterns in my book tbh.

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c2cc43  No.794189[Reply]

I've been discerning which denomination to pick and have a question about Orthodoxy's salvation doctrine. So tell me if I'm wrong here but it seems like this is the way salvation works in orthodoxy:

We're justified by grace through faith which necessarily results in a constant struggle to fully cooperate with God synergistically.

Now what I'm wondering is how that process of Theosis actually works and where it actually factors into salvation. If someone believes in Jesus Christ and is baptized and then say got hit by a car, what would happen to them? Do they need absolute cooperation with God's will first? If they had that (assuming its possible immediately after baptism) would they be saved?

If not, is salvation truly a process then? Are young people even capable of being saved then? It would seem kind of out there to imply that baptism and faith wouldn't be enough to save somebody and that coupled with good works that that wouldn't be enough with grace?

Am I missing something key here? Thanks, any help or sources on it would be appreciated.

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6cf316  No.794486


>If they are not baptized, they can only go to Hell.

You don't know that. And anyone who taught you that didn't know either. They're just as in the dark as you are, despite their psychopathic confidence in catechizing people. Not even church fathers and saints were of one mind and sure of it. And all Orthodox to this day pray for departed infants in such a state (it'd be pointless to pray if this fate was a reliable teaching). And if you're Catholic, the Vatican isn't sure of this either:


>Within the hope that the Church bears for the whole of humanity and wants to proclaim afresh to the world of today, is there a hope for the salvation of infants who die without Baptism? We have carefully re-considered this complex question, with gratitude and respect for the responses that have been given through the history of the Church, but also with an awareness that it falls to us to give a coherent response for today. Reflecting within the one tradition of faith that unites the Church through the ages, and relying utterly on the guidance of the Holy Spirit whom Jesus promised would lead his followers “into all the truth” (Jn 16:13), we have sought to read the signs of the times and to interpret them in the light of the Gospel. Our conclusion is that the many factors that we have considered above give serious theological and liturgical grounds for hope that unbaptised infants who die will be saved and enjoy the Beatific Vision. We emphasize that these are reasons for prayerful hope, rather than grounds for sure knowledge. There is much that simply has not been revealed to us (cf. Jn 16:12). We live by faith and hope in the God of mercy and love who has been revealed to us in Christ, and the Spirit moves us to pray in constant thankfulness and joy (cf. 1 Thess 5:18).

850ef3  No.794489


>You don't know that. And anyone who taught you that didn't know either. They're just as in the dark as you are, despite their psychopathic confidence in catechizing people. Not even church fathers and saints were of one mind and sure of it. And all Orthodox to this day pray for departed infants in such a state (it'd be pointless to pray if this fate was a reliable teaching).

You are not in a position to attack clergymen and call them "psychopatic".

Christ Himself tells us that Baptism is necessary for salvation, while the Fathers tell us that original sin condemns one to Hell and only Baptism can cure it. See canon 110 of the Council of Carthage of 419, which was ratified with ecumenical authority by the Council in Trullo:

>Likewise it seemed good that whosoever denies that infants newly from their mother's wombs should be baptized, or says that baptism is for remission of sins, but that they derive from Adam no original sin, which needs to be removed by the laver of regeneration, from whence the conclusion follows, that in them the form of baptism for the remission of sins, is to be understood as false and not true, let him be anathema.

>For no otherwise can be understood what the Apostle says, "By one man sin has come into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed upon all men in that all have sinned", than the Catholic Church everywhere diffused has always understood it. For on account of this rule of faith (regulam fidei) even infants, who could have committed as yet no sin themselves, therefore are truly baptized for the remission of sins, in order that what in them is the result of generation may be cleansed by regeneration.

Infants are baptized for the remission of sin, because even if they have no actual sin, they are born with original sin, which means they are submitted to a tendency to sin, corruption, illness, suffering, death, and Hell.

I'm not a Catholic, thankfully.

By the way, I do know that St Gregory of Nyssa does not think that unbaptized infants go Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

195a08  No.794524


>The sacraments give us communion with Christ. Those who had communion with Christ when He walked among us received the same grace. It's not right to say that one can be saved without sacramental grace.

It's not right for you to who can or can't be saved and under what conditions. Are you God? God will save whom He wills. You're also incorrect in that those who lived in communion with Christ while He walked among us had the same communion we do, because we eat His body and drink His blood. It is correct to say that the Church teaches the Sacraments as an essential aid to our Salvation, yes, but at the same time the Church acknowledges something which I said just above: He saves whom He saves.

>>What about people with Downs or innocent aborted babies?

>If they are not baptized, they can only go to Hell.

OIC. You're a heretic. Who thinks he's God and can damn whom he wills. Repent.


OIC. Even more heresy. "Original sin" is not taught by the Orthodox according to the Roman Catholic understanding of it, which you clearly follow. Either you're a troll, a Roman Catholic ITT to derail, or a really supreme and uncatechized idiot. Repent.

And until you do, kindly winnie the pooh off from an Orthodox thread.

828293  No.794527


>. Either you're a troll, a Roman Catholic ITT to derail, or a really supreme and uncatechized idiot. Repent

My brother, this kind of language is what ruins the Christian fellowship that this board is supposed to support. Maybe this guy is just, you know, wrong about something. He doesn't have to be a troll or an idiot.

I'm not trying to attack you here or to scorn your sins when mine own are countless, but try to remember the charity to which we are called. We face enough evil from the world without visiting it upon each other.

850ef3  No.794528


>Are you God? God will save whom He wills

And God told us who would be saved and who would be condemned. Are you also bothered when we canonize people and say they are assuredly saved?

>OIC. You're a heretic. Who thinks he's God and can damn whom he wills. Repent.

Of course, resorting to accusations of heresy and commanding others to go to confession. This place's favorite strategy, whether one is Orthodox or not.

I will not go to confession for being obedient to my priest and my catechesis, thank you very much.

>"Original sin" is not taught by the Orthodox according to the Roman Catholic understanding of it, which you clearly follow.

I don't care what Filioquists believe. It's their problem. You seem to think that to be Orthodox is to define oneself in relation to Catholicism or Protestantism.

But that aside, Catholics believe that it is absolutely impossible to be righteous at all while still having original sin. That is why they believe the Theotokos had to be conceived without original sin, or else she wouldn't have had the capacity to respond positively to the Annunciation. We clearly do not believe such a thing. On the contrary, her acceptance of God's will is something that we must emulate even before our Baptism. Overall, following St Augustine, Catholics tend to think of the Fall as an error we made in maturity, with the consequence being an absolute separation from God. We do not believe that this error was made in maturity or that its consequence is as absolute.

Although this isn't dogmatic, Catholics tend to believe that unbaptized infants go to Limbo as well, not Hell.

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3bd6d7  No.792743[Reply]

I’m a prot turn(ing) Orthodox and I have been feeling more and more the desire to instill Orthodoxy into my son and daughter as they grow, to hopefully make them better people than I’ve been. My beloved wife is still prot, not hostile to Orthodoxy but not ready to cross that bridge either. As such, we are still attending a Reformed church for the time being(at the advice of the OCA priest who’s been teaching me for the last year). I mean to turn family prayer as Orthodox as possible though, to give my wife a better look at what it is and to raise our kids right.

How do I structure family worship in a liturgical way that familiarizes the kids with Orthodoxy yet doesn’t cross the line into “Dad’s leaping as s priest”?

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47b38f  No.793496


Last thing in the world you should do is be emberrassed… too much depends on it. Here's a thought exercise: Imagine yourself confessing your faith to everyone you know and being met, surely, with their ridicule. Now imagine yourself being ready to be martyred for that very faith. Take it seriously, have a little fire in your life.

c02a5e  No.793497

Gatolic here; I come from a household which was split in the middle due to my father and his family being hardline Stalinists.

I would suggest:

1) pray for them, and thank God for entrusting them with a father who cares for their soul;

2) be patient and gentle, don’t come in as being forceful: it takes patience and time for the seed to grow into a tree;

3) buy them a prayer book and other books which could shine some light on why you begum Ortho;

My father came to the faith in his late 30s, and he still has issues with many things…but without my mother’s silent prayer and work, without her patient example he would have stayed a Communist. Your children at least already have some of the fundamentals of what Christian faith is, so if you have the patience and love to show them the whys of you finding Christ in the Orthodox Church, they could follow you.

25c9ee  No.793523


Grow up you child.

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00e736  No.794419


Liturgy at home? NO. Matins (Orthros) and Vespers and Typika can be done at home. Talk to the Priest about performing these services and use the Calendar to structure them according to season and holidays. Use the martyrology to keep up with what's happening. Follow the fasting days and feast days and why. Daily Scripture reading as a family in the evenings with a good "read the Bible in a year" plan and an Orthodox Study Bible reading the notes and articles. You can also get a psalter and read from it, either with the Eastern monastic "whole thing in a week" pattern, or with the Western (Anglican originated but approved for ROCOR Western Rite) pattern of reading the whole thing in a month. My wife and I read alternating verses when we do this.

Try setting up a mild daily routine, maybe just some prayers morning and night and the Bible study, and on special calendar days do the home services to make it special.

I know you mentioned OCA. My family has been both Eastern and Western Rite, sadly, the Eastern Rite makes their home services hard to access and extremely repetitive, but as part of a ROCOR Western Rite church today, everything we need for daily Matins/Vespers along with all of the calendar variances are extremely accessible to the laity so it makes it much more enjoyable and less boring.

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3128b9  No.792502[Reply]

I really don't know why God allowed this for such a long time, and this opression in the christian balkans and the horrible slave trade really makes me bitter. They took Jerusalem for centuries and nobody truly challanged them for Christ's sake. What a travesty..

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ae4ddb  No.792971


It was the Muslim stranglehold on the East that saw the West look for alternate routes to China. That led to the discovery of the Americas by Christian powers (a Muslim expedition from West Africa was never seen again). Even if they may have discovered America anyway - due to British fishermen - settlement would have been few and far between. Christian domination of the Americas, and the world's trade, was because the Turks settled in the East and conquered the Greeks.

God does not guarantee the immortality of any kingdom of men, only the Kingdom of God.

f141e6  No.794033


This is God's punishment for how hierarchical the church had become, transforming itself into the Temple that Jesus revolted against

272a43  No.794034


but they kicked the orthodox's butt tho

f141e6  No.794041


And that's what we deserve. Until we revert to Christ's teachings and abandon the Temple which we are subjected to currently, we will never be free from oppression

19e0fd  No.794367


>dude hierarchy bad lmao

Are you from /leftypol/, by any chance? Hierarchy has been part of the Church from the start.

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3bffab  No.792960[Reply]

I was raised as a catholic since I was a child, although in my teenage years i've been through the dark fase of "God doesn't exist because bad things happen", some years ago I decided to search for my faith again and I think I finally found it. I think I can finally say that i believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

But i'm getting along with you guys and i see that everyone hates each other here, only because of their denominations. I have some friends that are from the LDS and I tried to study their faith (because why not), but I found it to be totally heretical(I'll not further explain it, it would take a long time), and now I'm trying to study about other denons as I did to the LDS. As you can see, I am unhappy with the Catholic Church (some heresys committed by the people who attend to the same church as mine, liberalism, false believers, the situation with the CNBB here where I live), but I'm not fully decided yet, I love the church, I was raised in it and I attended to the mass since a child, it isn't a easy task to just simply "quit".

I want this thread to be a debate about which Denon is truly the closest to Jesus teachings, i am truly compromised in accepting the one faith that is the closest to God, no matter which one.

Please, keep the debate civil, we, Christians, shouldn't fight with each other even if you think that someone is heretical, just try to convert them, that's what a true Cristian should always do.

So, I need you, Christian who already have a denomination, to defend it and teach me why you think it is the closest to Jesus teachings.

Please forgive me if my english is bad, it isn't my first language.

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a18725  No.794330

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most protestants convert from Protestantism to Catholicism when studying history of the early Christians.

However really you should focus most of all on repenting of your sins, giving thanks to God showing genuine gratitude (everyone knows how to say thank you), and further seeking the truth. God gives wisdom to those he is pleased with Ecclesiastes 2:26. If you know you have repented, God absolutely will guide you. One day you will be able to rely on him a little.

a18725  No.794331


well, on second thought maybe you should focus on joining the right church first. I might be getting ahead of myself.

f548cc  No.794348


>You should've seen what it was like back when we still had flags.

Ah, the good old days

82ddc7  No.794351


>spoonfeed me

It seems to me that each thread except for relationship/purity gets quickly into interdominational dispute. Sorry I am just too lazy to put a coherent response. It's all so tiresome after all those threads why not look there. We have every two weeks "ortho vs catholic" thread. It is getting tiresome.

0fb7bc  No.794356


most protestants convert from >"Protestantism to Catholicism when studying history of the early Christians."

Except the huge amount that become reformed or lutheran. Which is probably alot more than the amount becoming catholic. Cathodox aren't the only ones who get to claim the church fathers.

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6b17dd  No.794196[Reply]

For those of you who don't know intersex women are humans that were born with XY chromosomes to be born a man. However their testicles don't drop and somehow they develop into a female. In the eyes of God are intersex women men or women?

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ac74f9  No.794253


> For those of you who don't know intersex women are humans that were born with XY chromosomes to be born a man. However their testicles don't drop and somehow they develop into a female.

That's not how it works, there is no such thing as intersex or hermaphrodite humans. What exists are men/boys and women/girls who were born with birth defects that make their genitalia ambiguous, such as internal testicles. However, someone whose testicles do not protrude is still 100% male. It was Frankenstein-tier (((doctors))) who decided they knew better and castrated those boys after birth to be raised as girls. These monsters are an abomination, they ruined the lives of innocent children and spread the poison of gender theory into society.

I'm currently looking for a job and every job offer is now listed as M/F/X, it is required by law in Germany:



3ae65d  No.794288


What is impotent?

8a9db7  No.794304


You're kidding. It means you can't get a boner.

1d98f7  No.794312


C’mon, man…cut us non-native English speakers some slack. Not all of us know or knew the meaning of that word.

65b849  No.794340

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We are living in late stage earth. There is no time for such infantilism.

You should be out there bleeding for God in dignity! You still are concerned with slide threads on last meeting places? Get stuffed!

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ec17cd  No.703403[Reply]

Does anyone listen to Christian music? I'm a catholic but I find it soothing and helpful spiritually. It focuses my mind on God.


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d64a9c  No.794027

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05cc04  No.794237


all good is from God thus all good music is Christian

>All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

05cc04  No.794238


Requiescat in pace

3b21ee  No.794277

Is there any good 'current' CCM out there? I know a girl who really is into CCM, but I can't really get into it. Any good recs?

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8f8833  No.793223[Reply]

Anti-abortion film a surprise boxoffice success…

That put the film in an unexpected fourth place for the week behind the much bigger budget pictures "Dumbo," "Us," and "Captain Marvel."


New York (AFP) - A movie produced by a Christian studio about a former employee of an organization that provides abortions who became a "pro-life" activist is proving to be a surprising box office hit. "Unplanned," which was released in theaters on March 29, has pulled in more than 8.6 million dollars in North America, according to Box Office Mojo. "Unplanned" comes amid a resurgent campaign in the United States by opponents of abortion, which was legalized in the United States in a landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision. Among those promoting the movie has been the deeply religious vice president, Mike Pence. "So good to see movie theaters across the country showing @UnplannedMovie," Pence tweeted. "More & more Americans are embracing the sanctity of life because of powerful stories like this one."Building on its early buzz, "Unplanned" is to be shown in more than 1,500 theaters across the United States this weekend, up from 1,059 the weekend of its release.

Produced by the self-described Christian studio Pure Flix, "Unplanned" was launched with little advertising because most cable TV channels reportedly refused to air ads for the film. Anti-abortion groups have denounced this as part of an orchestrated campaign which they claim also included the film being attributed an "R" rating by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA). An "R" rating requires anyone under the age of 17 going to a movie to be accompanied by a parent or adult guardian. Fueling the criticism was the brief suspension by Twitter of the movie's account, which the company attributed to a technical problem. Writing in The Washington Post, columnist Marc Thiessen called "Unplanned" the "movie abortion supporters don't want you Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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286fd5  No.794112


No. You can be forgiven of all of your sins. do NOT listen to this guy. The only sin you can't be forgiven of is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is when you continuously reject Gods grace, and if you did reject that, you wouldn't even be trying to be Christian or worrying about it. :) God bless.

c06645  No.794120


>redemption = avoiding execution

No sin is beyond redemption. The so-called "good thief" better referred to as the "repentant thief" who was crucified at the right hand of God has been redeemed.

He was also still killed for his crimes, whatever they were, which were likely far worse than mere theft, seeing as he was crucified for them by the Romans.

The two (civil penalties vs redemption and forgiveness) aren't at all equivalent, and this used to be common knowledge, as judges would sentence a criminal to be executed with the words "and may God have mercy on your soul."

I will add this. When you hate that a sinner finds redemption, you sin with envy, just as the brother of the prodigal did. The Lord wants nothing more than to find His lost sheep.


Nothing is beyond redemption from if you are truly repentant. Paul was a murderer and persecutor of Christ.


Good stuff here.

a57011  No.794174


There are two unforgivable sins, the other one is taking the Mark of the Beast

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Gee, have you stopped to think that logic could then be applied to letting children consume all types of questionable media as well? Maybe the age restrictions should be lowered.

e5fda2  No.794250

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Why take the Lord's name in vain, especially here?

I know "gee" is not "Jesus" but isn't it a lame substitute by people who do not want to say the whole thing.

I realize it is pushed everywhere and sometimes it crosses my mind when I get angry or something. But we should not use it. It is like saying "xmas".

Sorry if I am annoying but I already hear people taking the lords name in vain IRL all the time. It's all so irritating.

As for the rest of your post: maybe the questionable media should be banned so children are not spoiled by them.


woke, based and breadpilled

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335a26  No.793152[Reply]

Priest's 150-Year-Old Heart Being Worshipped in NYC…

The 150-year-old heart of a French priest is on a U.S. tour, a Roman Catholic relic with New York City as its latest stop.


NEW YORK (AP) — THE 150-year-old heart of a French priest is on a U.S. tour — a Roman Catholic relic with New York City as its latest stop. It was on display Saturday at St. Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue, where both the faithful and the curious lined up to see the human organ behind glass. The Knights of Columbus fraternity is sponsoring the pilgrimage of the heart they say has miraculously never decomposed. Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, is to lead a Sunday procession venerating the heart of Saint John Vianney (pronounced vyah-NEH'). He lived during the French Revolution, helping to hide priests on the run. The tradition of venerating the body parts of saintly Catholics goes back to the Middle Ages in Italy.

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e31a51  No.794180


Don't waste your time responding to a Charlie Post.

507562  No.794187


Are you just going around posting this in every thread? I can't even be bothered posting another fedora for you.

a705f4  No.794222


Evangelicals being judaized is not a strawman. It is a fact. Not all of them but there are enough sects with this attitude.


are you a jew? serious question. You surely sound like one.

77aaf0  No.794235

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b57f32  No.794242


Ow ThE eDgE

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0b104c  No.793656[Reply]

How do we stop modern, jewish degeneracy, /christian/?

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e14a41  No.793981


Rejoice because Jesus told us they’ll try to do that and worse. Just…don’t be too much of a “weirdo”, acting like a lunatic: be a simple and humble Christian.

d7e60c  No.794068


Just point out you dislike degeneracy. Seriously there are two kinds of poeople: that will respect you for having morals even though they do not live up to it/do not care to live up to them and then there are people without any morals, any decency…the latter may mock you for that.

Their opinion does not really matter though.

d7e60c  No.794071


Like…the mockery is the easiest thing that can happen to person.

With my opinions I am cornered into them being ridiculed in MSM daily, sometimes overhearing people ridiculing nationalism/faith/traditions. I am used to people laughing at my values. Fools always laugh at what they do not understand. We should be ready for such minor challenges as ridicule.

From my experience most people will not dare to continue ridiculing it if you show disdain for their approach and show confidence over them mocking you anyway. It works only if it touches you. If not, you will project strength which will gain respect from opponents and will encourage the less confident to come out of their shell, thus increasing our ranks. That is the goal. We have higher numbers people are just afraid because "muh mockery"

Do not wait for others to take charge of the situation. Be the first to step into the battlefield, others will follow.

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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

d7e60c  No.794218


I think "board elitism" is cringe. But try to think about it this way: We got on 8ch christian. Most people do not even know about this board, let alone 8ch pol. Most people know 4chan at most.

That itself does not mean we're "better" but it implies we are somewhat in the rabbit hole and have the potential to get the information hardly accessible by most people on "normal web".

What it means is that by default we should hold ourselves to the highest standard possible. Not because muh 8ch or muh /christian/ but because it is what we're supposed to do anyway and because we're likely to realize the full extent of seriousness of people falling away from faith. We have the full internet at our disposal to get information. Books, means of memes to propagate our vision, podcasts, interviews….there's a lot. The goal should be to set oneself firm for the real life.

What is essentially needed: create an immovable island in the sea of degeneracy. The waves will not eclipse such an island. When there are people in the sea who want to come to land, they will seek your company.

Like…people, especially on /pol/, like to cry about how everything is screwed, about the jews…and then they go on to smear Christianity, shill for paganism and even defend forms of degeneracy. This is just misdirection. Better…be hip, be smart and well read, redpill people irl, if you wish. But hold yourself to the highest virtue you can cultivate. Even if it means discomfort to you, even if it takes months.

Start by dropping jewish porn and masturbation. Go out socialize, start working out, go to church. Read valuable books and learn some hobby. The rest will fall into place and you will change your life for better.

Seriously. The God gave you the information you received here/somewhere else. Those are tokens and you should not hide them in the ground, rather multiply them. I unironically think that being "woke" is more demanding than being ignorant because somehow one is more responsible. What will one say before the almighty? "I knew porn wasPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

6a5a80  No.792003[Reply]

Explain the trinity.

When I say 'explain', I mean actually explain it. No analogies, no parables, no sophistry. Actually explain how it can work.

Pic not related, I hope.

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1b4c72  No.793588


Dont engorge yourself with pride thinking your little human mind(even how great it is) can understand such a thing, it is an arrogance to think one can fully understand it. Not everything fits into neat little rational boxes that can be explained, dissected, and described.

c649e5  No.793590

When they wanted to turn Christianity into something pagans would follow they made jesus into a God and yet they wanted to pretend they were still monotheistic so they invented the trinity concept to blend the paganism better with the Jewish roots

730ac3  No.794129


Praying for you brother. Proof that he loves is is that he has allowed us to choose to love him and follow him, or not love him and hurt others in that process. God bless :)

af9b1b  No.794158


You've got a weird misconception about the line of reasoning of the unmoved mover. God is the unmoved mover because He is moving and causing things to happen right now, in the present. He didn't just "set things in motion" and leave; if He had done that then nothing could be moving right now. Nothing can be actual without the constant intervention of God. Obviously, God is much more than just the unmoved mover, but this is one of the ways in which we can know that God must exist.

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a32b11  No.781779[Reply]

Americans to split with United Methodist Church over same sex marriage.

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a750ad  No.794104

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They do have central authority figure, He is the same as yours. However, does not mean that they won't rebel and disagree with one another.

40a36b  No.794123

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>the prot Pope is the same as the actual Pope

Last I checked Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to St. Peter not pastor Jimantha.

d38a90  No.794126

What's going to be the new name? Are all the US Methodists pro LGBT?

3d8496  No.794130


There are Free Methodists that don't share the UMC's stance on homosexuality. There's also the Wesleyan Methodist Church and the Association of Independent Methodists. The UMC won't schism, but those who don't like the LGBT crap will simply move on to another Methodist church.

fcd311  No.794152


I like to use these types of events to reach out to disaffected members and tell them about Orthodoxy. I agree with your take in general, but there's always the opportunity to poach a few, maybe even a whole congregation may come over, it's happened before with other prots.

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4566bd  No.745436[Reply]

Are people really paid to shill here?

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9b37e5  No.793043


Why would they waste their time and what will they gain from it?

438e47  No.793045


>why would they waste their time

They have nothing better to do

>what do they gain?

They sow discord and discontent which demoralizes people. It's a common leftist tactic. Once you are able to demoralize your enemy you are able to break them. think Israel hijacking Palestinian airwaves to broadcast porn, things like that.

d01cb4  No.793171


It wouldn't surprise me if there were actual Roman Catholic vocationists shilling on here, because they have all the money in the world and nothing better to do with their time. This is what the mods probably are.

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73bbf9  No.796634

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I wish I was paid to cockpost.

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75104d  No.793565[Reply]

I'm starting to doubt whether or not having children in this God forsaken world is a good thing brethrens.

What's the point of having a progeny in a world that is going to hell ? They will witness things that no one should. Just to have more people in His kingdom ? Then why stop at 4, 5 ? Why not produce thousand of offsprings ?

Someone enlighten me on anti-natalism (or Nihilism as a whole) and Christianity, please. God bless.

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75104d  No.793982

Thank you everyone. I hope to get futher guidance from our Lord on whether or not I should pursue children.

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df4355  No.794019


Hi Noah, name’s Mark!

235910  No.794028


I think the point is that Noah had children even though the world was literally going to come to an end. It puts OP in perspective.

694d7b  No.794056

the world has always been filled with godlessness and sin since the fall. there is nothing new under the sun.

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57b9de  No.792996[Reply]

Is everything fated? Like is every single event already predetermined to occur by God which we have absolutely no control over? Even this moment right here and me typing this was all predetermined? Is there no such thing as coincidences then? What does the Bible say?

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4c1b3a  No.793598



Also the suggestion that you can solve the free-will versus determinism debate in philosophy, on the authority of the Bible alone is an epistemological fail, so there's no point in trying to prove that the Bible endorses it either way.

At best it's just what the Orthodox might call a homologumenon, in other words, cool_story_bro.jpg

408c97  No.793605


>Plain reading is not always correct reading, this goes for the quote here

Yes, context is key and you should also try to figure out the point the writer is trying to prove. But I believe that there is no possible alternative when reading the verses that I have posted. If there is I would love to hear it.

>What has Athens to do with Jerusalem? Zero

Beautiful quote by tertullian. The funny thing is that even though tertullian said that, little did he know he himself was actually reading pagan philosophy into the scripture. I see that we are moving from a debate about what the bible says to one of philosophy and epistemology and other such things but it's funny since assuming that you are a cathodox you believe in the trinity, a doctrine that relies heavily on gnostic terms such as ousia and hypostasis to explain itself. Just because it uses terms and language foreign to the bible does that mean it is false? I mentioned earlier that I don't just find verses in the bible that say words but also try to see if the purpose of the text is to prove what I want it to. That is, when it uses such terms does it mean it in the sense that I mean it? This is why although romans 8 talks about predestination I don't use it because it does not neccesarily entail my definition of it.

But if we go on I like how you compare our view of predestination to the stoic and greek view of it. To the greeks fate was a immaterial force that favoured no one and had to real purpose. Even the gods were subject to it and couldn't resist fate. On the other hand, as Ephesians 1:11 states, all things are predestined for a purpose and that is to bring all of God's people back to him and for God to be glorified.

408c97  No.793606


I think you've misunderstood sola scriptura. Sola scriptura is just that we see the bible as the ultimate authority and we can use philosophy, which I see as a way to understand things at their most basic level. And that is fine but you should never substitute the bible for philosphy but rather philosophy is a tool that we use to understand the bible and theology better.

4c1b3a  No.793629


Let's back it up a minute. We're not naturalists, so there are two ways things can be predestined.

>1) The final ends of things (teleological determinism)

>2) What is going on here and now (hard determinism)

I get the decided impression that Paul is talking about predestination in the first sense, meaning our final fate and purpose is to be united to God. I am disinclined to believe that he was speaking in the second sense. Hard determinism was considered fringe back then (and still is to some extent today). The consensus in Cathodox circles is free will, and I as an Anglican (yeah I know) we agree.

a7b018  No.794007


>I wanted to give early evidence for the existence of of our belief and prove that it isn't a 16th century innovation.

There is nothing new under the sun. There's early evidence for questioning God's word in the garden of Eden, still doesn't make it right even a little bit. This whole point is completely irrelevant it gets you nowhere. If we as individuals reject the concrete meaning of words such as all then pretty soon we're talking past each other with completely different languages that sound the same.

>Ok, right off the bat we have a typical arminian talking point.

Arminians reject eternal security though. So what does that have to do with any of the scripture I brought up? Calvinist and arminians are both wrong and a total false dichotomy.

>We see here that even before the pharaoh was even asked about letting the people of isreal go God alraedy told moses beforehand than he will harden the pharaohs heart.

Now you're confusing foreknowledge with actively preventing belief which is what hardening is. Also, I'm pretty sure the Pharaoh wasn't an unborn child when God said this. There's good reason to believe by this point he was quite possibly reprobate or a good way towards it. And we know that he hardened his own heart first early on, we can account that to the Pharaoh himself.

You would like to lay all the blame for sin at the feet of God, but Jeremiah 19:5 clearly demonstrates that he is not the author of sin, as I have said before.

They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: - Jeremiah 19:5

>we see that it's always shown that God was the one i charge

This still doesn't remove accountability to Pharaoh for his sins. This was pharaoh being recompensed for his own actions and God used it to magnify his ownPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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