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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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351e29  No.814455[Reply]

Can we try and explore the multiple books and translations and interpretations and ideas of bibles. the only reason why I wanted to is because of these tweets, is any of this true at all or not? I don't study the bible at all and don't know whats okay or not, I just want non bias information and a discussion

here is the link they also provide source for their information, it's also not to direct hate so don't directly speak to them,


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4eb7a0  No.814652



Check his Twitter, this guy is unironically based and breadpilled.

Them fags can't cope.

682a0b  No.814673


this, but also John 3:19 is what we're witnessing today, men loving darkness rather than light and ignoring the good word for their lusts.

a13ecc  No.815223


This Matthew Vines guy is likely going to suffer so much in Hell. Gonna be great considering the amount of damage he has done to the world.

80178a  No.815350

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Just don't watch trash anime. A lot of the shows out there have really good themes that people in the western world could learn a thing or two from.


>that homosexual trying to defend his sinful lifestyle by projecting it onto pedophiles

Pic related

15b331  No.815354

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d48db3  No.815159[Reply]

I come from a muslim family. My mother is german, and my father is turkish. They are both muslim, because my mother converted. They both believe in Islam, and don't like christianity (They think it's wrong, and that christians are having sinfull lifes).

I believe that christianity is true. But my family wouldn't accept me beeing a christian (And my mother wants me to be just like she wants me to be. She gets angry when I don't even do something wrong, and blames me for a lot of stuff. But 80% of the time she is nice and loves me)

Because of that, I have to wait till I can move out. Only then, I can convert. But I found out, that I was baptized in the Catholic Church when I was a baby. My Grandfather wanted that I am baptized.

So I wanted to ask, if I count as a Christian already, when I was baptized as baby?

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667b57  No.815237


Well first of all I stated I wasn't OP so I'm not Muslim and second my uni is two hours away. But thanks for the advice anyway.

4802dd  No.815244

My grandmother says she and my grandfather baptised me, and my parents say they did something but my Dad says it wasn't a baptism. My grandmother also lies about tons of stuff, and she said this after I told her I wanted to be baptised Catholic.

Can't a layman baptise people? If so, does this mean my grandparents baptised me?

The larger context of this debate is that if I'm not baptised, I get all my sins cleansed without confession and I'd rather not mention some things. But if I was baptised, I want to know. My brother says I just don't want to be forced to confess and says I'm baptised, and my Dad says I wasn't baptised.

Basically, my family has turned my baptism into an excuse to fight and tell each other they're wrong - I may never know the truth of whether I've been baptised.

What do I do?

2900c7  No.815286


Go to a Catholic Church and ask for the assistance of a Priest at the Parish Office, that's their job to make the call.

2900c7  No.815292


Jesus Christ is the Son of God; Jesus Christ is God.

3 persons, one substance. When the Father does something, it can be attested that Christ and the Holy Spirit have shared in the act. No, the true nature of the Trinity is a mystery, and is not meant to be something grasped by pure reason alone.

God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Think of a diamond; God is depicted as being seated on a throne of diamond many times - why is this?

Now, for those in the audience waiting to leap up and shriek about Sabellianism, we must dwell upon what differentiates the 3 persons.

*God the Father, does not have a body nor is He a Great Spirit. He is absolutely uncreated and unchanging. "I AM THE I AM", the Father is Being itself.

*God the Son, Jesus Christ, emptied Himself and took on human form, and aged, and learned, and suffered, and died, and rose again for our sake.

*God the Holy Spirit, dwells within us, justifying us and has spoken through the prophets.

80d915  No.815311


>And my mother wants me to be just like she wants me to be

I had the same problem, my mother projecting an image onto me and forcing me to adapt to that image. It screwed up my growing up, I felt my relationship with her was more a pet-owner relationship than a healthy one between adults.


Once you move out and are free to practice Christianity, go ask a local priest. He may not be able to give you an answer, but he'll direct you to someone who can. In the meanwhile, if you believe in Jesus, you're a Christian.

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b65600  No.809713[Reply]

"Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two or three heads like a monster."

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62a9d2  No.815269


>You guys can always renounce your heresy and come home to Rome.

So people like Father James Martin are respected members of the Catholic Church in good standing, while Orthodox Christians are "heretics." Interesting. Very interesting.

e953bf  No.815284


James Martin isn't a respected member of the Church, but it is true; he is not in schism.

>while Orthodox Christians are "heretics."

Orthodox Christians are schismatics; not in communion with St. Peter, and thus not in communion with the Church Christ built.

e953bf  No.815285


>Peter was bishop of Antioch for 8 years.

I'm sick and tired of answering this charge, Peter gave up this position to someone else, and Peter was the head of the Church in Rome.

If the Early Church believed as you did, then patriarchs/bishops would be able to hold two simultaneous posts, or St. Peter's Seat would have been clearly identified with BOTH Rome AND Antioch, simultaneously.

It's incredibly obvious that neither is the case, quit arguing in bad faith.

62a9d2  No.815287


>James Martin isn't a respected member of the Church

Lie. He's a personal advisor to the current Pope and he was invited to speak at a Youth Synod in 2018.

>he is not in schism.


>Instead Martin associates himself with LGBT groups who openly dissent from church teaching. In October 2016, Martin received the the annual “Bridge Building Award” from New Ways Ministry. New Ways is a pro-gay-identity, pro-gay-sex, pro-gay-“marriage” group whose work has been condemned by both the Roman Curia and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

>In 1999, the Vatican condemned New Ways Ministry and put in place a permanent prohibition against Sister Jeanine Grammick working in this area of ministry. Grammick defied the restriction and the prohibition has not been withdrawn. Neither has the USCCB withdrawn its condemnation of New Ways Ministry.

>In 2010 Cardinal Francis George stated, “No one should be misled by the claim that New Ways Ministry provides an authentic interpretation of Catholic teaching and an authentic Catholic pastoral practice. Their claim to be Catholic only confuses the faithful regarding the authentic teaching and ministry of the Church with respect to persons with a homosexual inclination.”

>Should Martin - newly appointed communications guru for the Vatican - publicly support New Ways Ministry? There would be no problem if New Ways had changed their ways, but it is still openly in favor of gay identity, gay sex and gay marriage. And yet Martin acknowledges that Grammick is “one of his heroes.”

So how the hell is he not in schism? Isn't this the definition of a schismatic group?

e953bf  No.815288



I'd like to ask you as a Christian to hold off on accusation. When I mean the Church, I mean the wider Church - me, /christian/, nearly any Catholic with a keyboard, traditionalist catholics, orthodox catholics, center catholics, right catholics, etc etc.

I'm certainly not happy that Martin hasn't been defrocked and thrown out, but he is quite clearly unpopular in the wider Church, I didn't necessarily speak of the Vatican. Contrary to what you might think, all the Church Herself isn't merely constrained to Rome, though it be the crown of the Church Herself.

>So how the hell is he not in schism?

schism means to not be in communion with the Pope or the Catholic Church, there are many heretics, or liberal modernist Catholics, or Catholics in mortal sin, or Catholics in dubious moral standing who are not guilty of schism.

look up the definition. Martin "associating" with the group, does not mean he himself is guilty of schism. there are Catholics who attend SSPX masses whom are not necessarily guilty of schism either.

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672b3d  No.810200[Reply]

German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche is quoted by saying:

>Christianity is called the religion of pity.—Pity stands in opposition to all the tonic passions that augment the energy of the feeling of aliveness: it is a depressant. A man loses power when he pities. Through pity that drain upon strength which suffering works is multiplied a thousandfold. Suffering is made contagious by pity; under certain circumstances it may lead to a total sacrifice of life and living energy—a loss out of all proportion to the magnitude of the cause (—the case of the death of the Nazarene).

However, Paul says in 2 Corinthians 12:10-11

> 10. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

> 11. I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

But in all honesty, I have a hard time trying to be happy. Just last week, I got straight As on all my grades; not only that but I possibly have a 4.0 GPA. The problem is I don't know who deserves the credit: me who has worked so hard on them, or God, to whom I prayed for help. It's like the "thanking God but not the doctor" scenario. Tell me brethren, is it wrong to take pride in your accomplishments or be confident in yourself?

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b51b33  No.810545


Nietzsche was such a tool, but fairly consistent in his atheism. Of course, why pity or allow for weakness, if all that matters is wealth and money? Nietzsche is the sum total of the man that believes that peace is but the absence of war, rather than the truth of the Gospel, which affirms war to be the absence of Peace.

Now speaking of peace, my humble solution to your problem is this; thank God for the courage, the consolations, and the peace of heart that allowed you to pull off the great work. Once you have done with that, celebrate with all your heart.

62c198  No.810588


Nietzsche also believed that the basis for female sexuality was first wanting to have sex with their mothers, then realising that their fathers had sex with their mothers, then wanting to have sex with their fathers, then realising that all men had penises, so any man would do.

5eee6e  No.811304


wisdom comes from God, including the wisdom required to get good grades.

Exodus 28:3

Tell all the skilled workers to whom I have given wisdom in such matters that they are to make garments for Aaron, for his consecration, so he may serve me as priest.

But it did take your energy and effort so really it is a mix of both your energy and God's gifts and guidance. Tell me, does a boxer say that his work is merely the result of his trainer and not his own hard work? Would a boxer say it was all his hard work, but give no thanks to his trainer? Not usually; If he is being honest, his success is the result of both, and so both will receive credit, (although I would argue it is truer in a deeper sense to lean on the side of humility and give the glory to God).

There is nothing wrong with being happy for achievements, but to say "i'm better than everyone, i'm the best" causes trouble. Now this can actually be a literally true statement sometimes people are on average better than others at certain things, but deep down saying it tends to imply things that are not true, and for that reason alone you should not say it. There is a way to enjoy successes, and it is not by braggadocios statements. Not that i'm saying you're braggart, but if you're not cautious, who wouldn't do a little bragging here and there.

There is a right way to enjoy successes, when you discover and test these things you will understand - it's not stupid and it works well. One day God will help you discern it for yourself. Probably.

2f584b  No.811316


The LORD gave us the freedom, it is always our choices that path our lives and our LORD Jesus Christ is our guide. There is nothing wrong with taking pride.

Also on the question of happiness. Being happy and in comfort all the time is a false, this is some western budhism new-age illusions. It is trough suffering where we grow as people, all great inventions came trough suffering. If you put a lot of effort into your live happiness wil follow, dont look for happiness because happiness is a by-product of a fulfilled and passionate live. And dont try to avoid pain and discomfort all the time, accept them as something that happens and be brave. God bless you.

e80753  No.815201


>The problem is I don't know who deserves the credit: me who has worked so hard on them, or God, to whom I prayed for help.

You both do! You worked hard, and prayed hard, and God seeing your piety assisted you in life. Be happy, but don't be vain! It's ok to be happy about what you and God together have accomplished in your life.

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d1b2e2  No.814435[Reply]

Any tips on finding a non-cucked Church?

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5dd23b  No.815016

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b25c21  No.815021


>If you're Orthodox, avoid the American Churches.

for what reason, there's nothing wrong with OCA

6b0b84  No.815077

07067f  No.815096


OCA is a mixed bag, some are good, some are bad

b25c21  No.815197


i've only ever had issues with the mean grandmas who hates converts and young people

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8749f4  No.806210[Reply]

Eastern Orthodoxy ALLOWS female deacons(!) This is ridiculous. All the Holy Orders should be for men only - the deaconesses in the early Church were not sacramental deacons. How can you allow this? You know the Ameridox will use this in the argument for female ordination.

In fact, American Orthodoxy is like how mainline Protestantism was ~20 years ago, before they went totally crazy. They oppose the death penalty and some have made the argument that women should be priests, I've even seen someone claim that adelphopoiesis means that homosexual marriage should be allowed.

And, sadly, like pretty much every other denomination (and, religion in general) you have bent on the issue of divorce and contraception.

Just because Boomers haven't subverted your mass, don't think you are safe…

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cd09d1  No.815112



what is this meme

also, are you mentally ill? i'm not trying to be mean, but you sound exactly like my schizophrenic father.

2ef851  No.815169


>Ameridoxy, what is it

From what I understand, some Americans treat religion like fashion. Once it is unfashionable to religion 'x' they turn to 'y'. Once 'y' is unfashionable they turn to 'z'. Continue ad nauseam until one of two things happen:

1) they die

2) they take the breadpill and come home to Rome

t. Burger that was exactly like this

2d7ad3  No.815173


This is fake news. The Greek church or OCA =/= all of Orthodoxy. That's not how logic works.


None of these things are allowed in the Serbian or Russian church, so you've strawmanned most of Orthodoxy right there already.

>reject ancient icon style for "realistic art"

>reject church fathers for modern papal infallibility doctrine

>add filioque to the creed


>allows divorce, remarriage, contraception, abortion, and voting for non-monarchists, and uncovered women's hair in the house of God

de8e5a  No.815176


>>806220 is obviously a joke post, dummy.

cd09d1  No.815195


so basically, its just a cope

got it.

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35bd4d  No.811117[Reply]

I need to get something off my chest. Someone recommended I do Catholic confession. There's a Catholic church up the street from my apartment, am I allowed to just walk in and ask for a confession? Do I have to convert to Catholicism first? Sorry I am new to all this, I haven't set foot in a church in like 20 years. Jesus came into my life recently… I think. I don't have a denomination but I pray a little bit and I hung a cross in my rear view mirror.

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34f382  No.812413


Are you claiming they haven't?

7a5c46  No.812475

You don't need to be a Catholic to do confession. If you don't believe in their Church it's not a sin for you and even in their system the preist has not sinned if he hears a confession from a non-Catholic who doesn't inform him of that fact. Just say you're from out of town but don't say you're not a Catholic. He'll assume you are one and hear your confession. As long as you aren't lying to him I don't see how it's a sin.

I'm sure according to their papist Canon law it's a mortal sin or whatever but if you don't believe in that it has no power over you. Now I'd question why you'd even want to confess to a Roman preist but I understand being a seeker and wanting to try out the rituals of different denominations to find one that works for you.

So by all means give it a try OP. Schedule a confession, don't say you're a Catholic but don't say you aren't one either, and give it a try. If that will help you in your spiritual journey of denomination discernment I see no reason not to do it.

8ded7b  No.812491


Try again.

599ccf  No.814336


>If you don't believe in their Church it's not a sin for you

This is your brain on religious liberalism.

f94a36  No.815151

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You need to be Orthodox to do Orthodox confession, likewise with RC.

I am in the same position as a catechumen to Orthodoxy. I really need to confess and be absolved of these sins, but I can't just yet due to the procedural stuff. My advice is hold on.

Perhaps you could go to a priest and talk about the situation, even though they wouldn't be able to give you absolution or penance or anything.

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d6cf88  No.787095[Reply]

Greetings, brothers, and sisters in Christ. I was wondering if we could have a general thread for debunking evolution. I'm still not completely sold on it just yet.

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f82ec3  No.798459


sorry correction, BENEFICIAL new forms are the result of epigenetics, and not mutations. Mutations only deteriate forms, like how one would expect a mutation to, but that is still a new form.

6ef730  No.798466




Thanks. I need to study the subject more. What you say makes sense, but there are some few holes that remain to be filled. After a life of justifying everything by it, I can say now that I don't believe in evolution and the reason is because I see the philosophical consequences of it like explicited in this post >>798262. I want to be able to disprove it properly.

0043fa  No.801811


>I don't see the point in correcting error


0043fa  No.801813


>Wtf why don't you believe in evolution?

>Can you please like spoonfeed me the refutation? Make it short, though, I don't want to spend too much time considering the origin of man.


fa5161  No.815066

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Evolution and Logical Fallacies - Dr. Jason Lisle

This video doesn't seem to be archived but it should. Watch it before debating evolutionists and share it.

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a87107  No.813403[Reply]

Was Cardinal Siri elected as Pope instead of John XXIII?

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2250bf  No.814873


Not OP but I do know that Benedict resigned (obviously) and since then has reiterated at different points that it was of his own will and that it was legitimate. If he was secretly holding on and trying to warn the masses he’s still pope, he’s doing a less than great job

2852bd  No.814967


If Siri was actually the Pope he would be objectively the worst Pope in history because he just hid like a coward and never tried to let his flock know that they were being deceived. If he was Pope the Novus Ordo would also definitely be invalid and he was perfectly willing to celebrate it.

70313b  No.814976


That I think is the most damning part of the so-called "Siri thesis."

fa8977  No.814990

I believe it. We need only look at the example of Anacletus II. For several years he was almost universally accepted as the Pope; it took a while to figure out that the prior election of Innocent had been legitimate. From Catholic Encyclopedia, about Anacletus: "The majority of the cardinals with the Bishop of Porto, the Dean of the Sacred College, at their head, stood at his side. Almost the whole populace of Rome rallied around him. His victory seemed complete, when, shortly after, the Frangipani, abandoning what appeared to be a lost cause, went over to him." Apparently there are still some modern-day canonists who think that Anacletus had the better claim to the papacy. When the smoke clears, I fully expect it to be established that John XXIII was the "uncanonically elected pope" who would wreak havoc on the Church.

fa8977  No.814993

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93dd78  No.814279[Reply]

It literally says in the bible, in Genesis 7:2-

"Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth"

So that's thirty animals in total. Obviously not a pair of each living species on Earth. So obviously it must be of the animals that are native to Noah's land.

So was the flood local? God does speak about the rainbow being a covenant with ALL life that he will never flood THE world again. If this was a global flood, there had to be countless others that God spoke to, telling them to also build a ark for the creatures native of their lands. Or was ALL and THE just being used specifically to the region and creatures where the flood happened locally? But then again, 2nd Peter 3:6 says the WORLD was deluged by water.

winnie the pooh dudes, why is this so complicated?

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e660d9  No.814303


Also probably the strongest proof of this comes in 2 Peter 2:7, which says "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

The verse clearly says that the "heavens and the earth, which are now," meaning that the world that is mentioned in 2 Peter 2:6 must come before the HEAVENS which are now.

If the very atmosphere was destroyed by the flood of Noah so that God had to make heavens again, it seems hard to understand how anyone survived. How were birds of Noah flying around in the aftermath if the heavens were destroyed. This is why ruin and reconstruction is the only sensible framework, and not standard flood geology.

4279aa  No.814398


This is reading is all entirely new to me, can you elaborate or map it out step by step to help me understand what you're talking about?

e61b41  No.814400


I was with you right up until

>words attributed to God that He didn't say

Oh no anon.

Look, I get it, the Bible is different from what we would call history today, the OT describes the origins of Christ with greater clarity than it describes what we would consider history, but don't push it that far or you'll not be a Christian, you'll be an anthropologist.

abab73  No.814560


>can you elaborate or map it out step by step to help me understand what you're talking about?

Pretty much what I said here >>814299 is the elaboration. After Noah's flood, God made an unconditional covenant that he wouldn't flood the earth to cut off all flesh, nor to destroy the earth anymore. This is because there was an earlier flood that occurred before Genesis 1:2 which destroyed the world that then was, and this is also what 2 Peter 2:6, as you quoted, is talking about. The flood that Noah rode out on the ark happened later and it involved destroying all the descendants of Adam except himself, his three sons and their wives. This is different in the sense that it didn't completely kill absolutely everything or destroy the atmosphere as the first flood did. And after this, God then promised not to do any more floodings like these two.

Not sure how I could make it simpler than this.

It implies that there was a world in existence in the time between when God created everything in Genesis 1:1 and the time when it was flooded and lifeless in Genesis 1:2. There's more reason to believe this besides making sense of the flood account, but this is a logical place to start. You just have to read specifically what God said in Genesis 9:11 and realize it's referring to two separate events. The part about destroying the earth is the earlier flood.

e4ab69  No.814614

> thirty clean animals

>two of unclean animals of their kind

>8 humans

Why is this so complicated to some people? It must be secularism rotting the populace's brain because even I knew about this even before my preteen years.

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117a8d  No.812995[Reply]

Should it be led by educated laypeople this time or can a proposal made for another office to be established?

In the past both an informal position of the inquisition led by laypeople as well as by an office when one was established existed.

It served to guard the Catholic Church''s interior from subversion and heretical activity.

Investigators were sometimes dispatched to parishes in order to catch heretics/subversives including if it was the priest of a parish who was involved in it. They collected evidence and witnesses then trialed those involved.

Why not create another inquisition that does the same? Except this time it serves to operate secretively in finding and catching homosexual infiltrators in the priesthood by collecting the evidence needed, similar to how private investigators might do so or a ministry of internal affairs within a country.

The reason why it was not as much of a problem once upon a time is because the inquisition's exact job was to stop things like this. They spied on or investigated priests suspected to be engaged in heretical activity.

The Church has been vulnerable to infiltration and subversion by forces such as these homosexual pedophile priests ever since the inquisition was dismantled.

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b003fc  No.813101


>"During this unfortunate epoch, injustice will even enter here, my closed garden. Disguised under the name of false charity, it will wreak havoc in souls. The spiteful demon will try to sow discord, making use of putrid members, who, masked by the appearance of virtue, will be like decaying sepulchers emanating the pestilence of putrefaction, causing moral deaths in some and lukewarmness in others."

Reminds me of

>"For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes, nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater could exist" - Quod Apostolici Muneris

That was from a Pope Leo XIII, who also instituted the Prayer to Saint Michael to defend the Church (and that got thrown out during V2)

06787b  No.813252


Realized I put a typo. I meant abortion at 8+ months. Like third trimester abortions.

Looking at Wikipedia's page on people excommunicated, it looks like people have been excommunicated for preaching same sex marriage. And some laypeople in Nebraska were excommunicated for being pro-abortion.


283a7b  No.813470


Just excommunicate people like James Martin.

1a31d3  No.814510


We need an inquisition that can collect evidence, witnesses and etc to convict him with the powers to excommunicate.

When the inquisition existed they sometimes even investigated by being undercover or through hidden means. It worked really well in defending the church from gay pedophiles and also from subversion.

Removal of the inquisition disarmed the church. Just remake it again as a sort of private investigation agency by either laypeople or as an office once again under the Holy See.

2757c0  No.814535

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This. Heavy emphasis on it being "secretive", as otherwise modernists will do everything in their power to derail investigations into homosexual priests. Clergy should not be involved (even if they're Bishop Williamson-tier). Boomer women should not be informed either, given their tendency to form cliques and gossip. Inquisition 2.0 really should be limited to trustworthy individuals with a good reputation in their Church community and no social media presence.

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c4eae8  No.807100[Reply]

Alabama abortion ban passes overwhelmingly with no changes

By Mike Cason

Alabama lawmakers aiming to challenge abortion rights nationally are one step from their goal of putting an almost total ban on the procedure into state law.

The Senate tonight voted 25-6 to pass a bill to make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion. The bill is a priority for the Legislature’s Republican majority. Tonight’s vote sends it to Republican Gov. Kay Ivey, who could sign it into law.

Lori Jhons, Ivey’s deputy press secretary, said in an email tonight that Ivey would not comment on the bill until she’s had a chance to thoroughly review it.

The bill passed exactly as it was introduced by Rep. Terri Collins, R-Decatur, about six weeks ago. It includes only one exception – to allow abortions in cases of a serious health risk to the woman. The goal is to trigger a legal challenge to Roe v. Wade.

“I would say that we’re all very pleased to have this done,” Collins said at a press conference after the vote. “We’re excited about the possibilities that it could mean. It’s been difficult at times, and then at times it’s been really good. I felt really good about it all the way through.”

Under the bill, a woman receiving an abortion would not be criminally liable. The doctor would be charged with a Class A felony, punishable by 10 to 99 years in prison.

The bill passed the Senate on party lines after four and a half hours of debate, with all the Republicans who were present voting for it. No Democrats voted for the bill.

With Republicans holding 27 of 35 Senate seats, passage of the bill was not in doubt. A key question was whether the Senate would add an amendment to allow abortions for pregnancies caused by rape or incest.

Sen. Clyde Chambliss, R-Prattville, who handled the bill in the Senate, urged his colleagues tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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2288cd  No.814276


I can only say this is true for the political and business class in some states. Namely the northeast and western red states. Take someone like Mitt Romney or the Cheneys, who proport themselves as "conservative". Now, of course, there is a concerted effort to transform areas politically, especially places that are opposed to modernity. But yeah, in places that are big and on the coasts, support for modernity is the norm.

04d524  No.814278


Cincinnati and Dayton are both pretty liberal, but that's to be expected with bigger cities. Even outside of the downtown areas, the people I've met tend to be at least a little liberal leaning.

f506f8  No.814423



Well, if anything we've adequately illustrated why we're a swing state.

60a77a  No.814444

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I'm glad to see so many Ohiobros here.

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737217  No.813785[Reply]

New Christian here. What is the New Covenant and how is it better than the Old Covenant?

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6d2494  No.814258

I accidentally deleted a post or two here by mistake

I've unbanned the dude who made the posts and everything, I accidentally hit the wrong button and didn't intend to mess with you in the first place, sorry about that

2a7bf9  No.814309


Sure you did

950a47  No.814358


Yeah but in the same sermon he says to be perfect. Obviously in the New Covenant you don’t have to follow God’s commandments perfectly to be saved. So then how is it not easier?

b1550a  No.814419


Why would he own up to it when as a mod there is literally no evidence unless someone arbitrarily took a screenshot?

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2ff633  No.812701[Reply]

A lot of people are coming to the inescapable conclusion that the state of the modern west is because people rejecting God in favor of their own desires. More and more people are coming back to traditional Christianity as a way of retaining good cultural values in a zeitgeist that attacks anything that disallows them from exercising their own disordered passions.

Is there a hope? A chance? Can Christianity overcome the depraved secular west?

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cbbcd1  No.813119


Sorry, but you are not convincing me; 99.9% of Western people, many of whom happen to identify as Christians, would call that racist. As for the anti-white ideas, I have heard mostly left leaning persons, some of whom are Christians.

As for the whole “anti-white”…it is something I can’t believe: we Italians never identified as white, only as Italians and that saved us from assimilation from other nearby Countries (many of whom were European people); Europe was and is not a monolithic identity, and I never found a definition of whiteness and its attributes which satisfied my people or me. And most Italians do not see themselves as white, like I wrote for myself, but as Italians, and specifically:











etc…because that’s our core identity: part of Europe, part of Italy, belonging to a region and a city or village. Please, don’t misunderstand me… I’m afraid for the survival of all the people of Europe and I agree many of our religious leaders failed us. But there are also many silent ones who are on our side, and they are speaking to their little flocks and encouraging them to resist this decadent and corrupting fads.

I’m coming to you from a different background, so I have my biases on many topics; I just have done my thinking and I’m a firm believer true Christian faith, not the watered down version which is often shown but which is not the actual majority, is one of the core pillars, together with love of family and of Country, which shall save us.

I’m not here to say you haven’t understood, or that I’m smarter; I am earnestly trying to make you understand why I still hold hope in the Christ. And at least I shall die knowing I was siding with the Eternal Truth.

ad02b4  No.813124


>The most I heard was some trad priest saying that race mixed marriages might not be the best idea, but he would never say it's objectively wrong, because he can't say that.

Because there's no canon against it(there is against religiously mixed marriages, though).

Keeping one's country demographically stable is a "side-effect' of them staying true to God, though.

4d9c36  No.813384

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> christianity is unable to acknowledge the concept of race.

Once you get out of away from those who think believe you can divorce the bible from it's historical context. Why do you think there are ethnic churches in Orthodoxy?

>Open Letter to the Orthodox, Clerical Authors of the “Statement Concerning the Sin of Racism”


73c24a  No.814264


objectively speaking the whole vid was pretty cringe tbh, 'the left this! the left that! cultural marxism smh! life was better back in the day when i wasn't alive! the left smh again!' Not saying he's wrong in his judgements but for a 'rediscovering Christanity' vid he couldn't have made it any larpier. There was no confession of sin or acknowledging his own sinfulness and the resulting humility or inward contemplation, just finger pointing and blaming and pining for based trad times to ensure western civ's rescue as the priority. Said he didn't know if there was an afterlife, although later may imply belief/hope for universalism, refrained from calling God by personal pronoun and instead referred to him as a 'higher power,' seemed to imply he may understand salvation as being works based, but that may just be a cynical reading of his poorly chosen words. Idk if he's read the NT and knows about the eshcaton but vid sucked ass imo 4/10. also, God pill and not bread pill, come on I hope he comes around to clearer thinking on it all.

b35714  No.814363


>Truth is absolute. It must be irrefutable. Everything that isn't absolute truth, is automatically a lie

Can you prove to me without a doubt that nature has laws and can you prove to me that they say what you claim they say?

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43af58  No.794593[Reply]

Do Catholics still believe there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church? If they do, then wouldn't Catholics and other Christians have irreconcilable differences, just like the JW and Mormons with the rest of the Christian community?

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9f282b  No.814226


An infant is saved at baptism, but that's not how full communion works. I'm not a larper, I just dont take this board very seriously. You must complete all of the sacraments to be in full communion with the church as well as maintain proper practice.

e58111  No.814230


How can Catholics, Orthos, and Prots all worship in truth if they all have mutually exclusive truth claims?

Only one of them can have, and worship with, the whole truth.

fb8ae9  No.814238


Exactly, and Catholics have the full infallible truth by the Church that Jesus Christ Himself founded

747fef  No.814239


>How can Catholics, Orthos, and Prots all worship in truth if they all have mutually exclusive truth claims?

Welcome to /christian/!

260e6e  No.814280


You can actually get excommunicated if you go off the deep end.


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