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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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693663  No.765238[Reply]

Should a Christian care about stuff like this? Pic was spotted today in a Netflix documentary.

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5f827b  No.765300

>>765293

Imagine having an IQ this low

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8e773f  No.766383

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51769e  No.766387

everyone needs to be aware of Jewish machinations against their host country


f87e1d  No.766404

>>765293

With Asians it's mildly plausible (and the Lord knows there are certain people trying their damnedest to get places like Japan to accept the suicidal "open" immigration practices of the western serf nations, to limited success), but with Africans it's basically impossible. Their is insufficient non-African population on the Earth, and insufficient pressure to move to African countries (due to the predictably abysmal quality of life). This is assuming there's no crash in the African population and fertility rate (which itself would happen in the event of a collapse of the will/ability of western nations to support Africa; but in such a state of collapse the system of globalized mass movement of peoples is likely kaput too, so the point is moot).

That being said, even if my own nation (and the other nations of my co-racials) weren't threatened by this, I can as an exercise of Christian charity recognize the injustice of it being perpetrated on other races, as should anyone. Tibet for instance is a good example of ethnic-destruction-through-mixing, although that's intra-racial as the Chinese hope to sino-cize the region through importation of Chinese.




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f62511  No.765199[Reply]

Can anybody tell me what Jehovas Witnesses believe? And why they are always knocking at my door?

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d5f55e  No.766259

>>765345

>Dude they get paid for what they do

no they don't. However, there are those who spend 8 hours every day preaching. They are called special pioneers. They don't have time for a job, thus they get money for their daily needs. But its not like they get the money for the work itself. its just that every human needs food, clothes and a roof over their head.

Witnesses go out on their free time, and every expense that is required to go from door to door. they pay for themselves. Even their bible studies are free.


d5f55e  No.766260

>>765206

fun fact. in 2018 they used 2 074 655 497 hours, in total in their preaching work


6b6e04  No.766303

>>765199

>Can anybody tell me what Jehovas Witnesses believe? And why they are always knocking at my door?

1. Open your door.

2. Ask.


f15cac  No.766305

>>765229

>>765215

Since this thread has become abit about evangelization, what are some good methods for this? I was thinking about setting up a stall at the farmer's market, giving out books,talking to people and maybe free cookies or something

>>765288

No it isn't, literally just walk into any church and the people there will help you join.


d5f55e  No.766315

>>766305

Jesus set an example for his apostles on how to reach people. apparently going door to door in a group of two people, was his idea Mark 6:6-12




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2e2ae3  No.765685[Reply]

"Protestantism, Orthodoxy, and Catholicism-all of it is bad"

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22d7aa  No.765796

>>765685

>Everyone wrong

>Me right


24ca4d  No.766309

>>765784

Isn't it funny how there's only one kind of church out there that believes and urges belief fully in what scripture says as the word of God and thus the final authority while everyone else is scrambling to argue that it's all relative? It's interesting that there's exactly one group like this while other people always want to try to minimize its true status as God's word.

>This reasoning only works on the weak and ignorant.

Ok, you're going to have to do better than this. Please explain exactly what you mean here and what you're objecting to so that we can do a better job of answering you. From what it seems you are simply being overly trusting of current day scholarship (despite the evidence of how far it's fallen) as something that cannot fail and placing all hopes on the accolades of man.


28e43f  No.766312

>>766309

>Gets caught telling a lie

>Doubles down with more lies

I'd say I'm sorry if you legitimately believe that you're the only group that believes in the Bible because your pastor told you, but the bible tells us this:

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

No seriously, if your local pastor says "Everyone is OBVIOUSLY lying and not even trying to listen to the word of God and we're the only pure group", and you just fall in and believe it, then you need those verses like right now.


b03d4b  No.766313

No offense but….

>whites

>taking over a sacred thing

>and making it their own/corrupted

Color me scantily surprised.


24ca4d  No.766314

>>766312

>Gets caught telling a lie

Can you explain this accusation at all?

>I'd say I'm sorry if you legitimately believe that you're the only group that believes

Depends on what you mean by "only group." If you mean you already forgot what I said about Matthew 16:18 then it's your loss. There is one type of church that recognizes God's word throughout history, that's the kind that Matthew 16:18 is about.

>because your pastor told you

Hmm, I've been quoting scripture, so I'm not sure where this came from. Did it come from your own imagination that I said this? Wouldn't that qualify as you telling a lie about me just now?




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fb26a3  No.758042[Reply]

Okay can we please have a discussion about what the winnie the pooh is going on in the world today? I sincerely believe tribulations are upon us.

- moral bankruptcies

- "liberal" education agenda

- hyper conservitism past the point of caricatures

- media brainwashing

- hyper consumerism

- global warming (inb4 conspiracy, I'm talking about the general fact the world is changing)

-islam converging on europe

There is no safe place other than our Churches

There is no hope to be seen other than Christs fulfilment

Are we truly entering the end times?

I wish Christ would come. I wish he would judge me for my sins. I do not want to continue to live in this world where temptations continue to grow and evolve.

I pray for him to come every week of my life.

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373647  No.766271

>>766270

Aristotle wasn't omniscient. I'm sorry you are completely unwilling to accept the meaning of "infinite". God identifies Himself as "I AM THAT I AM", which carries the connotation of being sufficient for His own existence. The name Yahweh comes from this phrase, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh. "Yahweh" is a third-person version of the same phrase, "He who Is".


e90e66  No.766272

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>>766148

>le who created god meme


25643e  No.766274

>>758042

>Are we truly entering the end times?

Maybe. It could begin 10 seconds later after this post is done.

>I wish Christ would come. I wish he would judge me for my sins. I do not want to continue to live in this world where temptations continue to grow and evolve.

We all do. And I think the worst is yet to come. The worst will be when the price tag is put on absolutely everything. Even your breath or your death.

>I pray for him to come every week of my life.

Every "day". Every ounces of our thoughts. With all of our hearts.


082fab  No.766278

>>758042

>Are we truly entering the end times?

Perhaps. God rests beyond time in the eternity. People have a different sense of time anyway.

Judging by the degeneration we can assume we find ourselves to be in end times. But…if you lived in 1920s Weimar Berlin you would find yourself among similar degeneration. Yet, Jesus did not come back then. The Rome was also very degenerate. Also I think Jesus himself said he will come when people do not expect it. I do not think it is sensible to predict his coming as some preachers in US do.

>I wish Christ would come. I wish he would judge me for my sins. I do not want to continue to live in this world where temptations continue to grow and evolve. I pray for him to come every week of my life.

That's fair enough, However oru task is not to pray for the end, nor it is to wish to be absolved of our struggle. The world may as well go along for 150+ years or so. It may well be true, it may well be all over in 10 years. We do not know. All symptoms point to world going through an end of an era .Liberal democracy probably has its day. Our people are in great peril, so is Christianity but I do not think this is the end yet. The change will come, we will see it in our lifetimes, for sure. About everything ending soon I am not so sure however.

Our task is clear. To shine through the darkness as the remnants of a glorious army that shall triumph eventually when Christ returns. We are already on the winning team just have to do our part to share the glory and not urn in hell for eternity.


73205a  No.766283

Note: nearly all Christians since the Ascension have believed themselves to be in the end times.

Also,

>Microchip meme

Stop this.




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5df7b9  No.765631[Reply]

Why are atheist on the internet so aggressive and have a hive mentality? Every creationist video on Youtube is excessively down voted regardless of how good the arguments are, and in the comment section ad hominems and the same shitty atheist mantras are repeated over and over again like

>science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings

>if god real why bad thing happen

and these awful comments are up voted to oblivion, they rarely make a good argument, or any argument at all.

When someone say they'll be praying for someone, or when someone who might even be a secular person says "thank god" it triggers them into making a snarky reply. They're in every Youtube video ready to down vote and make an autistic comment, on every Youtube reply they don't like like the one I just mentioned, every post on Twitter by a Christian account that doesn't involve them, everywhere online. Even music videos of Christmas music isn't safe.

I'd say atheist are to Christians on the internet as Pharisees were to Jesus (minus the crucifixion), just following him around in his life and just scoffing at him and making edgy remarks.

Why do they act like this, seriously? I'm just so tired of seeing the same case over and over again. I just can't understand their behavior as to why they're like this whatsoever. And it's surprising because of atheist specifically (and not just non-religious or unaffiliated people) make up such a small percent of the population, they make is seem like they're much larger than they really are. Does anyone have a possible explanation as to why they're like this?

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a5f5e6  No.766228

>>766029

>I mean sure, I am not going to study STEM and be an actual scientist,

Lmao didn't get that you were joking lad.


702636  No.766230

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>>766029

>Also just thing about it, if it wasn't for religion we could all be exploring the stars right now. Religion has been holding science back for centuries. Once we have broken the chains of superstition, reason will set us free. I mean sure, I am not going to study STEM and be an actual scientist, but I will provide intellectual artillery.

It isn't religion that did that. It's Rationalism (as opposed to Empiriicism. They are NOT the same).

Sadly, the church (especially in the West, but sometimes the East with it's Gnostic heretics) attached itself to rationalism too strongly, via a fascination with Plato and Aristotle.. but it was a mistake. They have nothing to do with Christian thinking on it's own. Take it from Carl Sagan himself. Even he is fair about it, and doesn't churn out the usual highschool meme that it's "religion's fault".


a431cc  No.766238

>>766230

>They have nothing to do with Christian thinking on it's own

That's a false reading, there has been plenty of philosophical pruning of pagan aspects of Aristotle. You could at least READ St. Aquinas' commentary on it before you pretend to be an authority.


5f3034  No.766251

>>766238

Aquinas himself disavowed his own writings. And if you're willing to believe it, I experienced something probably similar to what he did. Perhaps just a dose. But even that changes and humbles you. Just like it did St. Paul, who, "was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

Sadly, you Thomists strangely hang on every word that the author himself didn't want you to. And then tell others to submit to them to boot. I think not. It is all but "straw", as he said. Learn now or the hard way that you shouldn't dissect the Mystery of God.


a431cc  No.766252

>>766251

>Aquinas himself disavowed his own writings.

Complete nonsense, Aquinas saying that all of his writings are "like straw" compared to even a momentary glimpse of the Beatitude isn't a refutation of his own work, and nobody has ever considered it as such.

>And if you're willing to believe it, I experienced something probably similar to what he did

No, I'm not.

Is that you, Planetar?




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cd60ae  No.765707[Reply]

What are /christian/'s thoughts on EFDawah and more so in general, Muslim Vs Christian debates as a whole?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx420FfPBbEboBvnYjIemzw/videos

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997957  No.765973

>>765934

The Mutazili believed the opposite of that. They denied the belief that the quran was eternal and went again sunni Islam. They were heretics in the Islamic faith because orthodox Islam believes that the quran is eternal.


4f1f69  No.765982

>>765973

I misread the Wikipedia page lol.


b62292  No.766036

>>765982

And yet you spoke as one with authority, not some kid pretending to be an expert on Islamic sects because he read a wiki page.


3fe42e  No.766058

I think Islam is just an ethnoreligion for Arabs and of the steppe, meaning it truly cannot be a religion that's universal. Ergo to debate them is like debating Germanic Paganoids, or pagans in general.


4f1f69  No.766225

>>766036

I was just commenting on what I read.

What authority did you see in my words?




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4a65a6  No.765770[Reply]

Life under ISIS led these Muslims to Christ…

"If heaven is made for ISIS and their belief," said one convert, "I would choose hell for myself instead of being again with them in the same place, even if it’s paradise."

http://archive.today/2019.02.03-153957/https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/life-under-isis-led-these-muslims-christ-n963281

Four years have passed since the Islamic State group's fighters were run out of Kobani, a strategic city on the Syrian-Turkish border, but the militants' violent and extreme interpretation of Islam has left some questioning their faith. A new church is attracting converts. It is the first local Christian place of worship for decades. “If ISIS represents Islam, I don’t want to be a Muslim anymore,” Farhad Jasim, 23, who attends the Church of the Brethren, told NBC News. “Their God is not my God.” Religious conversions are rare and taboo in Syria, with those who abandon Islam often ostracized by their families and communities. “Even under the Syrian regime before the revolution, it was strictly forbidden to change religion from Islam to Christianity or the opposite,” said Omar, 38, who serves as an administrator at the Protestant church. (He asked for his last name not to be revealed for safety reasons. The church's priest declined to be interviewed.) “Changing your religion under ISIS wasn’t even imaginable. ISIS would kill you immediately,” he added. While residents are still dealing with the emotional scars left by the brutality of ISIS, Omar says many people in Kobani have been open-minded about Christianity.

“Most of the brothers here converted or come to church as a result of what ISIS did to them and to their families,” he added. “No one is forced to convert. Our weapon is the prayer, the spreading of spirit of love, brotherhood and tolerance.” Islamic leaders around the world have spoken against the extremists' ideology, accusing the ISIS militants of hijacking their religion. In 2014, more than 100 Muslim scholars wrote an open letter to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi saPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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4b1bdf  No.766099

>>765770

God bless desu

>>765812

Paganism isn't a real religion anymore


e90148  No.766112

>>766099

>>766091

Sigh. You guys are wrong. You just don't have much experience with real pagans is all.

What say about Varg is right, and about all these neo-pagans in general is right, they do indeed see the gods as symbols/archetypes.

There are however pagans that see it differently. There are the kind who see it literally (very rare mind you, but there's some in Iceland and Siberia like this) and there are some strains of paganism that actually deal with entities that do respond.

Also, would you count stoics and epicureans (both mentioned in the Bible) as pagan? There's lots of those still around.

I'm assuming btw you mean only European pagans and won't address the forms of paganism originating from the other continents practiced by different races.


ab2760  No.766115

>>766112

>Also, would you count stoics and epicureans (both mentioned in the Bible) as pagan? There's lots of those still around.

No, they're philosophers. And the Church condemns it all the same. "The wisdom of this world is foolishness."

Re: Syria/ISIS: Glory be to God. May God protect them in their walk.


4b1bdf  No.766119

>>766112

I legitimately don't care about pagans because they are Satanists. They're probably talking to God.


e90148  No.766129

>>766119

>I legitimately don't care about pagans because they are Satanists.

By Satanists you mean opposing god?

>They're probably talking to God.

…or angels.

>>766115

That is much too harsh. In my view philosophy is not condemned but rather put in its right measure.




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27615e  No.765159[Reply]

Was John wick a good Christian?

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863e5e  No.765600

>>765599

Where you interact with real people you sperg.


33edaf  No.765601

>>765600

>was john wick a good christian

<REEEEEEEE start taking this thread seriously!!!!!!


863e5e  No.765603

>>765601

I can guarantee you are like this outside this thread.

Take your life seriously.


33edaf  No.765605

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>>765603

lol okay grandpa.


986ec4  No.765613

HE ISN'T EVEN A REAL PERSON




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d718a4  No.764848[Reply]

this is not a shitpost, please hear me out.

okay, so i can't stop masturbating. i read somewhere that aquinas or someone else once said it was less of a sin to rape a woman than to masturbate or have gay sex because in that case, you're mostly sinning against the woman that you're raping instead of God Himself. when you masturbate or have gay sex. you're completely winnie the pooh up the meaning of sex that God intended, so you're directly sinning against Him. so what i'm wondering is would it be less sinful to find an old lady who isn't gonna get pregnant who i can nut inside raw and basically use as my cumdump than it is to continue fapping? yeah, its not procreative, but its still raw sex and less perverted i would say. i feel like i'm impure already anyway too. i haven't put my dick in a pussy yet, but i've still ruined myself spiritually mentally and physically and will probably never be able to pair bond properly

>inb4 just don't fap bro

already tried that it didn't work. think of this as like smoking a shitload of strong weed to try and ween yourself off heroine.

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f51239  No.765306

Fast. Cut one or two meals out of the day. That's how I stopped.


e98b4c  No.765589

I'm on a month long streak and the urges are more powerful than ever.


e98b4c  No.765591

>>765589

Of nofap that is.


cec27e  No.765592

>>765591

>>765589

Stop using the internet so much.


a7b293  No.765597

>>764848

>not a shitpost

this is definitely a shitpost




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d85793  No.762609[Reply]

can somebody point me to some good books or debates to determine which church is the right to join

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745e4c  No.764643

>>764638

>With all due respect, I strongly doubt that Jay Dyer or the Dimonds have the most solid spiritual life

Fair point. I sometimes wonder what is supposed to be the gain of all this time spent on youtube apologetics. Defending the faith is great, but when we stand before Christ at judgement will he really be that concerned with how well you defended theology online? If we do not act with charity and continue to pray and remain faithful to God by acting in the way Christ taught us then we are lost. It doesn't matter how many atheists we owned online. If you are a man of faith and truly believe for a fact that heaven and hell exist and you know that every action you take on Earth will be used to judge your worthiness to enter the Kingdom then I fail to see how you could waste your time on this stuff.


103090  No.765566

Can't people these days write? why use freaking youtube to tie people into google hivemindnet? also, 99.9% of youtube "discussion" or whatever rarely utilize the benefits of video form of media (visualization) but merely just talk. for that, you could just have podcast and write down the transcript. i am not going to "watch" 2 hrs of "talk" and waste my time. write it down.

inb4 "they have podcast"

also, wth is this vaticanocatholico.com yt? that channel is just full of boomer tier bs clickbait, and these people shit on boomer proddies?


1d7d95  No.765568

>>765566

>also, wth is this vaticanocatholico.com yt? that channel is just full of boomer tier bs clickbait

Try watching the actual videos. The Dimond Bros are very knowledgeable and their theology is spot on.


9e16c1  No.765569

>>764562

they mentioned that this was part of a longer video in the works


ae77ac  No.765575

>>764631

Are you ID-hopping?

>That you even state it in such a way tells me you don't even know what you're talking about. It's discernment.

Discernment is understanding the Will of God, what that anon - you? - are doing is pure presumption.

>You just know it, and you flee.

Funny, the Orthodox have a term for that, "Prelest".

>I'd rather glorify the Eternal God than be enamoured like some troubled mystic, who focused on his genitals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce

You condemn a huge swathe of Ancient Christendom.




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2a25c2  No.743603[Reply]

Old Thread 404'd A Month Ago Edition

The Gospel

>1 Corinthians 15:1-4__

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"

>Romans 10:9-10__

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Baptist Confessions, and Statements

London Baptist Confession of 1689 (Calvinist): http://www.ccel.org/ccel/anonymous/bcf.pdf

Baptist Faith and Message (Arminian Inclusive): http://www.sbc.net/bfm2000/bfm2000.asp

Notable Modern Baptist Teachers

Albert Mohler: https://albertmohler.com/

James White: https://www.youtube.com/user/AominOrg

John Piper: https://www.desiringgod.org/

Leighton Flowers: https://www.youtube.com/user/MrLeightonFlowers

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2544a2  No.763545

>>763542

I don't think Jesus Christ forbade people from reading the bible. Aren't we encouraged to go spread the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Can you please provide verses to support your statements?


662e25  No.763546

>>763545

The Bible =/= the Gospel.


b5c418  No.763563

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>>763545

You are moving the goal post.

Jesus does want you to read the Bible, but He also doesn't want you to fall into the same trap Adam & Eve fell into when they decided to do their own personal interpretation of God's commands for humanity.


39e202  No.764773

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>>759933

>Because whenever Baptists try to prove it they can't even cite a single group that conformed with their beliefs aside from the anabaptists,

Yeah, exactly, and the Christians from the book of Acts as well. So it goes from these churches directly to those who were wrongly termed "anabaptist" by people who had founded a state church. The problem these sacerdotal entities ran into is that they could never change the scriptures from their original words despite their attempts to destroy it and create a new standard. Those words of scripture stand in contradiction even to this very day to their numerous personal teachings, their attempts at wiping it out rendered useless.


b7c5ae  No.765518

>>760747

I don't know an exact answer for the first two, but I can answer the third. You don't need to ask others to pray for you to be saved or anything, but does it really hurt to have someone else praying for you? It's not a requirement, but rather an option. And that option is extended to saints as well since we are all one body in christ, and the saints are alive in heaven. At least that's the argument I've heard, I'm sure I'm not doing it justice since it's been a while since I heard it.




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82bc9c  No.763067[Reply]

In Genesis 32:22-32, Jacob fights with a man, whose name is not revealed. And Jacob later gives the place, where the fight has happened, the name Penuel (Face of God). It seems that the man's identity is debatable, from being a Angel to Jesus Christ. How should I interpret this passage ?

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3fd6c9  No.763512

>>763501

he had a limp aftwerwards. Did he dream that too?


3e0cc2  No.763602

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>>763487

>According to the consensus of the Church Fathers, this is a metaphor for a Super Smash Brothers Melee match that Jacob had with an angel. The opinions are divided, but the majority opinion is that Jacob either played as Jigglypuff or Kirby.

To be serious, only the Orthodox teach what the Church fathers taught. Consensus is always Orthodox. Catholics just teach what ONE taught… because he stupidly followed the Jews, who said at the time that angels were only creatures exclusively (this was because they didn't even believe in Christ and had to wipe out all reference to him.. just like they attempted everywhere else). Even his mentor St. Ambrose taught it. St. Justin Martyr (already in the 100s AD) was the first to call the OT appearances of Christ as the "Angel of Great Counsel". This eventually became the name of the Icon that has seen in many churches, starting as early as the 800s.


ba0f80  No.763618

>>763602

>To be serious, only the Orthodox teach what the Church fathers taught.

Which is already a ridiculous claim, because the Church Fathers contradict each other on many finer points of theology. The entire point of having an authentic Church vested with the authentic Holy Spirit is to make declarations on what is orthodox and what is heresy/heterodox.

>Catholics just teach what ONE taught…

Patently false, have some shame. You're not doing any Orthodox any favors with lies.


63e0d0  No.765441

>>763072

Nah, no theophany. It's just Christ.


5261f2  No.765483

>>765441

I hope you just don't know what a theophany is and you're not implying Christ is not God.




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613eb5  No.764599[Reply]

Do you pray before every meal and say grace? What do you do if you're eating with secular people? When should you not say grace (if ever)?

Pic unrelated

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c155c8  No.764718

>>764599

A quiet prayer to myself is all I do. If people choose to join me or wait for me to eat, so be it. My prayer is for God, not for the table. Sometimes I see people in restaurants join hands and pray loudly and I think to myself, "Who are they trying to impress?"


189dcd  No.764720

>>764599

I do the sign of the cross and silently thank God for having something to eat.


99ad1d  No.765217

>>764599

You gave me a flashback to Christmas at my Grandma's a couple of years ago. We made the mistake of letting her bless the food before we ate, and she proceeded to pray for each individual there, all 30+ people. When she was done we had to get up and reheat the food.

Lord bless her.


915e2b  No.765266

Used to do that.


f18786  No.765474

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If people can get martyred and persecuted for simply practicing the faith I can handle praying grace silently with secular people.




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b5d624  No.765039[Reply]

I live in Europe.

I don't know about the USA, but in Europe, many countries (maybe all of them, didn't check) don't allow you to marry in the Church if you haven't been married in the civil. That mean that you HAVE TO marry in the civil first and that you can't marry only in the Church.

THAT'S INTOLERABLE.

What the hell? Those enlightenment atheists (((revolutionaries))) first forced us to separate the State from the Church in the name of "freedom", "equality", "individual free will" and forced us to accept that religion is a "personal matter" and not a societal structure.

Thus, marriage has to be done in the civil and in the church if people want.

THAT'S EVIL. Those revolutionaries say in one hand that the church and state HAVE to be separated in the name of "(personal) religious freedom", but then in the other hand, they FORCE you to marry in the SATANIC (((ATHEIST))) Civil State marriage (which make your whole marriage completly depend in this satanic kiked society and not depend of the Church), and then, you only get to marry in the Church for "cosmetic" reasons.

That double standard is INTOLERABLE and HYPOCRITICAL, so much for "freedom of religion".

What the hell has the Vatican been up to ? That was the HIJACKING of the foundation of society, marriages, thus families, from the graces of the Catholic Church and from the grace of God, and given in the hands of the (((Secular))) states which are Satanic kikes, kikes lovers, feminists, atheists, pagans, globalists, oligarchs, anti-christian (((marxists))),…

The Vatican, the Church and the Pope had to react to that obvious satanic subversion and they did NOTHING.

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5fb4f2  No.765259

>>765256

>But know, thanks to the separation of the Church thanks to the enlightenment activists, they have revolutionized marriage and turned it upside-down, making it a satanic parody of a sacred union, we have this satanic parody being imposed on us by this secular states, and all their satanic degenerate values of modern "marriage" with it

Thats like saying we need to ban Christmas as a public holiday, and its imposed on us, because modern Christmas got infected by consumerism.


d5174b  No.765261

>>765256

Who cares what the state thinks?

You are marrying for just reasons and that's what matters.


186cc2  No.765263

>>765256

>The State and the Church were united, thus marrying civilly wasn't a problem, because the values of marriage were pretty much the same as the Church, meaning that you pretty much married in the Church.

No. Civil marriage was required by the Church even before Christianity became the state religion of the Roman empire. Civil marriage has been required in the Ottoman Empire even though the (Orthodox) Church was considered an ethnic minority there.

Incidentally, that you are only fine with obligatory civil marriage if the State and Church aren't separated reeks of caesaropapism.

Either way, calm down, man. Remain obedient to your bishop. If he says you must get married by the state, get married by the state.


220bed  No.765274

>>765256

I don't want to say the Jews are behind this… but the Jews are probably behind this.


d5174b  No.765275

>>765274

Well a couple of years ago the grand Rabbi of Paris wrote to the French president that marriage should be abolished.




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12b71b  No.760711[Reply]

Catholic friends,

How on earth is this justified?

What the actual bleep?

https://www.facebook.com/Lamborghini/posts/2973313799360887

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b99e5d  No.764063

>>764059

Satanist Cathar proddy go home.


1f5a2d  No.764097

>>760711

It really isn't defensible. Even if it is done for some charitable cause the Vicar of Christ is whoring out his position to Capitalists and materialists. I'd love to see Francis defend his approval of worldly decadence, but it'll never happen.


c9fedc  No.764295

>>760741

>Why is the pope encouraging people to lust after worldly goods such as a luxury car?

Because catholics are the biggest liars and hypocrites. You have to remember that these are people who refer to mortal men that aren't their biological father, or God, as father. These are people who edited commandments so they can worship pics and statues. These are people who welcome sodomites and pedophiles into their ranks. Disgusting pagans.


018fc5  No.764297

>Mr Lamborghini asks pope to sign car for a lottery

>pope does so

>???

>profit and for a good cause

Maybe not the most Catholic way to go, but at least it’s not founding or supporting a demonic or Talmudic agenda…


6c1e46  No.765254

>>764295

>You have to remember that these are people who refer to mortal men that aren't their biological father, or God, as father.

Lol.

>These are people who edited commandments so they can worship pics and statues.

Lol what? Read the Bible again and Google veneration of Saints autist.

>These are people who welcome sodomites and pedophiles into their ranks

<The Church has sinners.

I guess Jehovah Witness are the true Church since they claim they have no sins.




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