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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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fa376d  No.806560[Reply]

What are all the protestant versions of christianity? (I don't know how to say it. English isn't my first language)

For example Baptism and Lutherism. What are the others? And what's the difference between them?

I'm really sorry for the bad english.

And pic unrelated

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c73fd7  No.810145


Prot cope friend

bd395a  No.810206


Lutheran here. You papists worship idols, hehexd. Now that I have your attention, let me introduce you to our beliefs. No, Luther didn't want to create a new church, he just wanted to reform corrupted Catholicism. Recent popes have acknowledged that, even raising a statue of Luther in Rome. We believe in justification by grace through faith, and the Catholic Church agrees as they've had a joint declaration with Lutheran World Federation in 1999. We believe that the good works are the result of faith in God, but we don't get saved by them, we just do good works because God likes that we do them, and we love God - no reward guaranteed, only doing them to please him. Neither did Luther want to abandon all traditions e.g. he defended baptism of the children, arguing from tradition. He disliked only "traditions" like selling of indulgences which made people rely on doing something to get saved vs. relying on God to get saved.

At this point I call myself Catholic in exile, I don't worship Mary of the Saints (I view them as great spiritual examples that are worth replicating) and yet I try living up to the seven heavenly virtues and sometimes pray rosary (I exchange Hail Mary's with Jesus Prayer and the last medallion prayer with Magnificat).

Unity for all Christians, no matter denom. God bless you all!

3e4296  No.810213


Luther himself was against iconoclasm though.

b84083  No.810240


> 7 Day Adventists

Not within Biblical orthodoxy. They deny the trinity as far as I'm aware

d56e8a  No.810241


Has to be fake. No one is shameless enough to say this on twitter

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6a2ee1  No.809801[Reply]

Generally speaking, it must be felt as evident that beyond earthly life there is a higher life, as only those who feel this way have an intangible and unconquerable strength and are capable, when necessary, of active sacrifice and absolute elan. In the opposite case, to have little regard for one's life is possible only in moments of exaltation and when irrational forces are unleashed, while disciplines that aim beyond an individual's life cannot be endowed with a higher meaning. I have already discussed this in chapter 3; without a similar direct reference to a reality that is more than human, there can be no overcoming of the solutions advanced by a utilitarian and contractual sociology, nor a climate of high political tension. However, a given religious confession may be used only as a support for such an orientation, and merely in terms of an arousing action. In Catholicism, specific reservations should be made. Concerning the political dimension, if Catholicism, feeling that decisive times were approaching, had the strength to rise above the contingent plane and to follow a line of high asceticism; and if, on such a basis, Catholicism, almost as in a revival of the medieval Crusades, had not hesitated to fortify faith with the soul of an armed, united, and inexorable bloc of powers, set against the currents of chaos, compromise, and the political materialism of the age—in that event there would have been no doubts as to its value. However, things happened otherwise.

Aside from the relativist Catholic view that no particular political regime may be regarded as "willed by God" or even accorded special acknowledgment; and after the times of De Maistre, Bonald, Donoso Cortes, and the Syllabus have passed, Catholicism has been characterized by political maneuvering and by its taking advantage of various situations, avoiding any stance that is too committed. Inevitably, the Church's sympathies must gravitate toward a democratic-liberal political system. Moreover, Catholicism had for a long time espoused the theory of "natural right," which hardly agrees with the positive and differentiated right on which a strong and hierarchical State can he built. Nowadays things have deteriorated in the sense of a rapid, disturbing collapse of every valid element in Catholicism, and in the sense of a desire to "be in tune with the times," with the modern world, and with the direction oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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c644d8  No.809933


Rosenberg is an intellectual ant compared to Evola.

6db2d5  No.809969

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The faith isn't a political prop.

c515ce  No.809977


How is /pol/ Trump central, they hate him there

51bd96  No.809990


Lurk moar

48ba8e  No.810071


>Trump central

Lol. Trump was /polguy/ before Syria strikes. You probably do not go to /pol/ at all

>inb4 not one person

of course, but vast majority of /pol/ hates Trump now

>I never read Evola, seemed like an edgier Nietzsche

Not that much. I won't agree with Evola on theology, but Evola negates Nietzsche in many things. if you care to know how exactly, read ride the tiger.



>points out the truth

>lurk moar

what? Perhaps you should lurk more on /pol/ to know they hate Trump now

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2d122f  No.808460[Reply]

I studied philosophy and wrote a book on the future of transhumanism and how it brings us away from Christianity. It's about 140 pages and available in PDF form for free.


Ethics as Warfare is a book that describes the philosophical confrontation between transhumanism and the Christian tradition. In the Christian case, faith in the Word, who was incarnate as man, has us maintain the human species. In the non-Christian case, the human essence is no longer the ground of Natural Law. In fact, we are to become beings capable of sculpting Natural Law, like unto gods. This is the meaning of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil." This god-potential of mankind is obviously a threat to the Christian tradition, as well as Enlightenment values; yet it is inevitable. So where will you end up?

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0cc999  No.809629

Well this is interesting considering I only just finished my first playthrough of Deus Ex: Human Revolution. I chose to go with the Sarif Ending, an ending where the boundless potential of human augmentation is fully protected and corporations are free to experiment with human augmentation to their heart's desire. I chose this ending because I see augmentation as an extension of medicine and I don't think medicine is "playing God". I think God would want us to respect life and protect it by aiding those in need of help and would want us to help ourselves through these advancements if possible. This means helping those that would benefit from augmentation too.

I don't understand the basis of your argument: that transhumanism means rejecting human nature. Surely, even after a person replaces their limb with an prosthetic one, they're still just as prone to all of their old sins as before? Surely, their human nature remains intact?

>and Providence awards victory to the morally worthy.

Do you have any evidence of this?

Finally, I just want to conclude by saying that a "non-Christian Logos" in my eyes would have to be Satan.

b5977a  No.809652

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>I don't understand the basis of your argument: that transhumanism means rejecting human nature. Surely, even after a person replaces their limb with an prosthetic one, they're still just as prone to all of their old sins as before? Surely, their human nature remains intact?

Replacing a limb is fine because it still does the same function. Augmenting it however, is a different case.

>[T]here exists in everything the natural desire of preserving its own nature; which would not be preserved were it to be changed into another nature. Consequently, no creature of a lower order can ever covet the grade of a higher nature; just as an ass does not desire to be a horse: for were it to be so upraised, it would cease to be itself. (Summa Theologiae I.63.3)

0cc999  No.809699


My limb isn't a conscious, sentient being. I however, am. My limb is a tool that I use at times to grab a lighter so I can light the cooker and warm my food. If I could augment my limb so that my index finger could also function as a lighter, nothing has really changed. I'm still using my limb to light the cooker, one method is just more convenient than the other.

Also, your image seems to concern the singularity. I believe that if you're a Christian, you will reject the Singularity in favour of eternity with God however, augmentation is not the singularity and so I believe it to be in itself, harmless.

7d2574  No.809980


Link to thread?

1dd53c  No.810052


My limb isn't a conscious, sentient being


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fee3ec  No.775509[Reply]

>You probably are not sin-free and instead of just disregarding sin like that concept doesn't matter, you get to go to Purgatory with a lot of other people like you & get cleansed

>If there is something like TV shows in heaven, there are probably many comfy tv shows similar to Misfits, where a band of Misfits get together and learn how to be better people over the course of many seasons

>you have a purpose, you know what you are working towards

>probably many interesting conversations with people that died before or after you, you get to learn a lot about other people's lives and how they ended up in purgatory

>nice comfy radical treatment, if you have sinned a lot and burn for a few years to really get your soul nice and clean

I am a Protestant, but I don't get why so many evangelical types in the US are so terrified of a bit of purgatory.

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fe1162  No.810012


Now, the chapter and verse, if you wouldn't mind.

ca2318  No.810015

I won't say Toll Houses are "Gnostic" like some. But they go back farther than that and are equally stupid: It's Mithraic. And really, older than that: The Mediterranean was obsessed with trials and labyrinthine like structures to initiate people. This is another form of it, with Christian/Semitic trappings involving demons. Orthodox need to stop pushing this. It's pagan and for old goy cultures who should be lost to history already.

And consider this: If it was so crucial, it'd be in the Seven Councils. But the afterlife is one of the subjects where Church fathers (peacefully) debated and disagreed on and didn't make All of the Specifics a rule of faith (this is a Roman Catholic trait. Not Orthodox).

2cd207  No.810018


>I don't get why so many evangelical types in the US are so terrified of a bit of purgatory

That's because you don't understand the gospel

ba3ad6  No.810030


Not really. In Church Jesus is literally there with everyone. If you aren't enjoying God's real presence here on earth, why would He allow you in Heaven?


And neither do you.

284c4f  No.810049


The book of Nestle, chapter 5, verse 34

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

94494f  No.802613[Reply]

It mostly talk about sexual immorality/fornication and the harm that it does to society and it also talks about the Jews at the end, the latest Synagogue hooting and (((Dr.Brown))).


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14a975  No.809689


He's Iranian, and his mother is Armenian Orthodox, so he's back to Orthodoxy.

76eaef  No.809692



Yeah I realized he was probably Orthodox, but I am hoping he will move to Catholicism. Hopefully the bread pill for him will be birth control and divorce.

14a975  No.809696


> orthodoxy permits those

lol, if I convert to orthodoxy I'll be allowed to not get my wife pregnant and then divorce her so she can be a blue hair blue checkmark?

76eaef  No.809988


Yeah you can marry three times. They make some nonsense excuse like "one sacramental and three (or two) civil" I mean come on. And yeah priests permit couples to use birth control. Birth control is THE biggest evil in this world, more than pornography in my opinion.

76eaef  No.809993


<The dominant view, represented by the Church of Moscow[3], the Greek Archdiocese, the Orthodox Church in America[4], and by the bioethicists Engelhardt and Stanley S. Harakas, may be fairly described as the teaching that non-abortifacient contraception is acceptable if it is used with the blessing of one's spiritual father, and if it is not used to avoid having children for purely selfish reasons.

"Purely selfish" like yeah we think that we aren't ready to have a child right now, maybe when we're 30. We decided to only have 1 child, more than that is hard to raise in this day and age.. and so on. And yes they changed their teaching.

<Some would follow the earlier position taken by the Church of Greece in her encyclical of October 14, 1937[6], which accepted birth control but not contraception, i.e., it accepted abstinence and NFP, but condemned any method of contraception.

This "church" is allowing people to commit one of the worst sins ever that has completely destroyed society.

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a7faa7  No.809913[Reply]

I am looking to buy a study Bible for the Orthodox faith, and am just wondering which version you would recommend

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f91ff7  No.809960


Yeah people or the markets in the modern day do tend to often push for all-in-one deluxe package solutions to things.

5e4420  No.809963


Considering how complicated the entire world is, a one-stop general guide is better than nothing which is the likelier outcome if it wasn't offered. Professional aptitude and diversity of knowledge is still important, and not everybody is equipped to handle serious research like that. For die hards, absolutely go nuts. Probably should learn Greek and Hebrew though. But for those of us who need some grounding, a simpler plan is less likely to fail.

f91ff7  No.809966


Study bibles probably aren't taken along as much for stuff like door to door preaching like the JWs do. Don't know how much they'd get used in religious services either. You can also have ebooks saved on a variety of devices.

5e4420  No.809967


The pragmaticism of a study bible comes from the ability to receive appropriate instruction without having to cover the groundwork. They would download and use the OSB and not have to stop every five minutes to switch from one to the other to the other, then cross reference this verses translation with that verses translation, even if that is the most accurate or best way. We have to rely on members of the Church (who mainly compiled it) who remain in Good standing with the rest of the Church by others who we profess to believe as being valid to deliver an accurate book. A simpler routine is likelier to be stuck to, and the more people learn the better.

I have never said it is flawless or perfect or the absolute only study bible, just that it's the most reccomended and pragmatic book compiled with newcomers in mind.

f91ff7  No.809971


Yeah sure it's probably more convenient but simply opening multiple tabs on a device isn't that much more difficult either. In other situations for private personal study a variety of options become increasingly feasible.

Also a less popular but possibly greatly efficient option are bible apps.

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34ec54  No.809565[Reply]

Anyone else posting from this forsaken hell? I'm lonely

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34ec54  No.809622


I've never met a christian here under 60

553234  No.809630


ur stupid

163bb9  No.809635


From the metro east.

0be53f  No.809815

Same anon, different IP


You're in SIUE? What denomination are you? (Not to chew you out or anything if it's not the same as mine, I'm not like that)

34ec54  No.809881


ye. LCMS Lutheran

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de6b22  No.809444[Reply]

And he will protect his tribe at all costs and call everyone an anti-Semite instead of embracing Christ.

You might have seen the debate between him and Dr. E.Michael Jones and how he was not listening to what Dr. Jones was saying and trying to protect the Jews at all cost. Then, he blamed Dr.Jones has a "Christian Anti-Semite" and responsible for the Synagogue Shooting…And he also edited the video on his channel to put words in the mouth of EMJ and then lied about it when he got caught.

And now, he has sunken to a even lower point when he interviewed Rev. Ted Pike, it's just a pathetic behavior and this Dr.Brown guy is extremely dangerous if he gets his way, he is more worried to protect his tribe of the children of Satan at all cause than to embrace Jesus-Christ, by spreading lies, sophism and misdirection.

If he gets his way, and that you disagree with his obvious protestant jew-centrist interpretation of the bible, he will send you to jail for being a "Christian anti-Semite".

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d6f82d  No.809808


In addition St. Thomas Aquinas says it is Jews, and that God's wrath is on them until the end of time.

Thirdly, Paul considers their sin in its relation to the whole human race, when he says: and oppose all men. “His hand against every man and every man’s hand against him” (Gen. 16:12). And they are antagonistic, because they prohibit and impede the preaching to the Gentiles, and also the conversion of the Gentiles. In Acts 10 and 11 Peter is criticized for having gone to Cornelius; also in Luke 15 the elder son, the Jewish people, is disturbed because the younger son, the Gentile people, is received by the father. “Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting”’ (Is. 45:10). “Would that all the Lord’s people were prophets” (Num. 11-29).

The reason for this sin is found in the divine permission, by which God wills that they fill up the measure of their sins. Indeed, for all things which come about, either good or bad, there is a certain measure, because nothing is infinite; and the measure of all these things is in [God’s] foreknowledge. The measure of good things is what it prepares, for “grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift” (Eph. 4:7); the measure of evil things, however, is what it permits, for if some are “evil, they are not as evil as they want, but as God permits. And, therefore, they live until they attain that which God permits: “Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers” (Matt. 23:32). So Paul says: so as always to fill up the measure of their sins. For after the suffering of Christ, God gave the Jews forty years to repent, but they were not converted; rather they multiplied their sins. God did not permit this to go on, so Paul states: but Gods wrath has come upon them until the end. “For great is the wrath of the Lord that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not obeyed the words of this book, to do according to all that is written concerning us (2 Kg22:13). “For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people” (Lk. 21:23). And you should not think that this wrath shall last for one hundred years only, but until the end of the world, when all the Gentiles will have embraced [the Christian reliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

4c4943  No.809843


I was talking about EMJ mostly for the discipline thing.


>St. Theresa is good for mystical matters, but not about current politics and how its affecting people.

If you want to enlighten people about current politics, get a radio talk show host(or podcast one, nowadays).

>As you have seen on this board, people are converting from /pol/ and coming to Christ.

Mate, i've been hearing that bs on this board for years.

/pol/'s the same.

>Using the word Logos can help you reach an agnostic or someone who was otherwise skittish about Christianity. Start with Logos, explain that it's the divine order and the world was created with this, and then say it's Christ. Once they accept that there is Logos, then you can say that the embodiment, the incarnation of perfect Wisdom and Order is Jesus Christ.

I wasn't talking about the Logos thing.

But as a sidenote, you know we were converting philosophically minded people using the traditional argument for Logos, not this Chaos God of Order meme, right?

4c4943  No.809844


*traditional definitions and arguments very well

633841  No.809868


>I was talking about EMJ mostly for the discipline thing.

so what he criticizes his superiors, they aren't immune to criticism.

>If you want to enlighten people about current politics, get a radio talk show host(or podcast one, nowadays).

Lmao what? why should we shill for literal randos when we already have EMJ who talks not just about politics but history as well

>Mate, i've been hearing that bs on this board for years.

Still i can see that many people have been coming back to Christ due to his influence..

7e624a  No.809873


>at is written concerning us (2 Kg22:13). “For great distress shall be upon the earth and wrath upon this people” (Lk. 21:23). And you should not think that this wrath shall last for one hundred years only, but until the end of the world, when all the Gentiles will have embraced [the Christian religion], and then all of Israel shall be saved, as it appears from Rom. 10

Romans 9 makes it clear that Christians are now the nation of Israel, not people who were born from a genetic line.

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82a675  No.809595[Reply]

Ever since I was little I enjoyed crossdressing. I don't remember it so well, but when I was little, my parents would let me dress up in my sister's dresses and things.

As I grew older, I became aware that this wasn't socially acceptable within my society, so I stopped doing it, until a few years later when I discovered internet porn, when I was around 11 or 12. Specifically I discovered feminization porn and had many fantasies pertaining to it.

I was too afraid to buy women's clothing in person, I was very shy back then, and I had no credit card so I couldn't order any online, so I kept fetishizing it, until I came upon online communities that shamed me out of enjoying crossdressing fantasies at around 15/16, and I repressed my feelings.

Now I've long since abandoned those fantasies, and I've long since abandoned repression of them too, which I accomplished through acceptance, and refusing to care about human's judgements of me, and therefore removed the aspect of societal shame I felt while crossdressing. Once that shame was removed, the sexuality of it ebbed away too, after a few sessions where the fetishization still lingered during the first few moments.

I still enjoy crossdressing, but there's no sexuality involved anymore. I'm aware of the verse "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this."

So I guess my question is, do you think god detests me? Something i'm afraid of is that God made me a transgender woman, do you think that's something that God does? It would help explain why I enjoy dressing like a woman… If I am one, do you think He wants me to go through with a transition? I'm not saying God makes mistakes, I know He doesn't, but it's true that all humans are imperfect because of original sin, so maybe this is just one of my imperfections… but i'm not sure what i'm supposed to do! When I wear a dress it makes me feel nice… and this whole time… i'm not exactly sure why i'm bringing this up or how to summarize it succinctly but i'm kind of afraid that I became legitimately traumatized growing up! Maybe because of porn, maybe because of bullying, maybe because of self hatred, maPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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6e6bb6  No.809659


Are they women's jeans?

5bf07d  No.809660


I think there's no clear dividing line, just things that are definitely not okay. So for instance a woman wearing her husband's trousers or old jacket I would say is fine… but women's clothes are often designed to objectify the wearer, whereas men's clothes are designed to convey positive attributes about the person wearing them.

So maybe women's clothes themselves are just so especially wrong that not even women should be wearing them. Don't get me wrong, women should wear feminine clothes, but that's not what happens in practice; instead women wear clothes which are basically just slutty, especially informal wear for young women.

7fd409  No.809742



> Something i'm afraid of is that God made me a transgender woman, do you think that's something that God does?

< I don't remember it so well, but when I was little, my parents would let me dress up in my sister's dresses and things.

< I discovered internet porn, when I was around 11 or 12.

I think these two should be reason enough to explain why you would want to cross-dress. There is no such thing as a "trans-gender". By that I don't mean that there are no people who feel like they are in the wrong body, I mean that they are not actually in the wrong body. The human mind is very malleable when it is still young and we do not yet (and likely never will) understand how it is formed, but we do know that even little things can leave permanent scars. For example, did you get special attention when you were little for putting on a dress? That could have conditioned your brain to associate crossdressing with getting a feeling of reward.

b89191  No.809809


Your disordered desires have left granted you a reprobate sense. Anon, this is a very serious disorder. You must endure severe fasting and prayer in order to realize how perverse your desire is and overcome it. You'd be amazed at how your illusions simply disappear when you go without food for 24 hours. Also yes, women who wear jeans are sinning against modesty and indirectly distorting gender roles. These may seem small but they snowball into society collapsing consequences.

4517b6  No.809827

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this has to be a troll post from an atheist or muslim board or something right? you faggots make jesus sad, whether this is for real or not

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e36a6f  No.809679[Reply]

Why is death the punishment for sin in general and not just specific sins? I looked up the list of capital offences in the Old Testament and it’s surprisingly short (not to mention, only applicable to those under the Mosaic covenant).

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e36a6f  No.809724

I also thought the idea was that Christianity WAS the religion of the ancient Israelites. It’s the same religion.

672736  No.809737


Its not a "punishment" in judicial sense, but in as much as vomiting is a punishment for drinking poison. God is life and sin is rebellion and refusal against God, so naturally decay and death enters when we stray from him. In addition to that, it was to prevent mankind to be immortal in sin and wickedness.

e36a6f  No.809739


I perfectly agree. That’s the Orthodox position. So I guess my question is targeted towards Catholics and Protestants, most of whom adopt a judicial theory of the atonement of Jesus Christ.

6755f4  No.809783


>only applicable to those under the Mosaic covenant

Any person and even animals were to be killed if they stepped foot on the mountain when Moses went up.

e36a6f  No.809787


Ok. Were those animals in a covenantal relationship with God then?

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aed6a3  No.809316[Reply]

This man scientifically proved the existence of God. What have you done?

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39265d  No.809684


Big Bang doesn't even work, they have no idea what Dark Matter is. Dark matter is just like…oh well if this was there our equations would work. Except it's not there… but if only it was there, then our junk models would work! But it's not there… let's just say it's there but we can't find it!

God is holding the universe together and he created it Ex Nihilo approximately 6000 years ago. He created the world like I would boot up a Virtual Machine image. He just thought about the world and it existed.

2253ea  No.809688


>>admits to having an Anti-catholic bias

>>still comes here regardless

Last time I checked this board is named /christian/ and not /catholic/, but deceivingly so, because the moderation is entirely Catholic.

58e693  No.809719


I sure wouldn't want the mods to be anything less than Christian.

0ea756  No.809723


Lmao they said the same thing about gravity. Isaac Newton thought that. Then relativity actually showed us what gravity was.

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9bd40d  No.807842[Reply]

I'm looking for some books to strengthen my prayer life

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96c163  No.809305

Aight guys since this was an interesting thread I 'll bump it by saying I ordered the "Orthodox Prayerbook" from some priest 300km away.

If all goes well I'll have it within a few weeks.

You guys better deliver some quality or I'll be forced to buy an English one or heck even make one myself.

242934  No.809306



This site has a bunch of pre-V2 offices, you can pray it in Latin if you want, which is useful for when you cant find one in your language

96c163  No.809457


Thanks but I already know the site.

I want a book for the evenings when I try to avoid screen light.

I used to use my phone for this, but a book is much more preferable.

1a5af9  No.809644


>Best Prayer Books?

Its called The Book of Psalms

4a2d99  No.809683

I know this is probably not what you are looking for, but I find reading the commentary of Lapide is really good: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/newtestament/Lapide.htm

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23e3fd  No.800004[Reply]

Can someone PLEASE convince me that Sedevacantism is correct, or even somewhat tenable? The state of the Church leaves me feeling broken everyday… the crisis and apostasy within the Church and among the laity is at least as bad as the Arian crisis, if not worse.

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7bbe8f  No.804808

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4d50ce  No.804809


That just reeks of Roman centric thinking in itself. You're projecting. Constantinople isn't even important except to the most needlessly nostalgic Orthodox. We're not singled minded or see Constantinople as some beacon everyone must follow.

I'll point out what I've said in the Orthodox thread about this:

Erdogan has built 9000 mosques within the last 10 years alone.


Not one church is built, existing ones in disrepair, and no one is allowed to even preach the gospel in the city. Meanwhile, Patriarch Bartholomew has written multiple books on Global Warming. Talk about a man with priorities.

I wish I was making up what a comedy this whole affair is. Does this sound the like the leader of a church to you? They could join Rome right now and I don't think many would follow.

4e8d9a  No.804873

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Peter III is who you're thinking of. I want Palmarian aesthetics in the Vatican

fbde77  No.804946

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23e3fd  No.809667

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Just saw this. Can any Sedes give their thoughts?

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61d6e0  No.808863[Reply]

I honestly don't know how to react. Homosexuality was shut down earlier this year at the impromptu general conference that these heretics pushed, wasting untold sums of money that could have been put to better use. Now they've decided to have a secret meeting where the identities of people attending are kept secret (unless they're dumb enough to post on Twitter) and none of the meeting is live streamed or recorded since this meeting hasn't been sanctioned by the church.

These people are rejecting the word of God and the law of man that they swore to abide by. Our bishops are too spineless to actual follow the Book of Discipline. My local church's admin council has begun putting together an exit strategy if these heretics manage to push homosexuality through.

I don't even know what I want to do. I just wish these people would leave and make their own church without trying to corrupt the church that my family has followed for centuries.

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042cf2  No.809400


It should be very clear to you that the Methodist church is not the church of God, it's a heretical church. That's good to know! Now you just have to find a church that doesn't compromise on sodomy. Not many churches are left.

042cf2  No.809401


You guys allow remarriage and birth control, making you beyond pozzed. Birth control is what has created this clown world. Also first of all the LXX is not the source text, and do you have the Hebrew version of Matthew? We aren't Mohammedans worshipping text. Secondly we (I know you don't believe) say that the old vulgate is infallibly free from error in faith and morals. That's good enough for me. There still is no definitive Greek NT. Is the longer ending of Mark in the original Greek NT? Pericope adulterae? And so on.

I've come to realize Birth Control is probably one of the biggest factors that has created this whole clown world, and the fact that your priests actually compromise on it shows how terrible it is. We may have a homo mafia, but they haven't been able to get anything done in terms of changing any doctrine. This is of course not speaking of all the numerous heresies like denying purgatory, denying the immaculate conception, etc.

01940c  No.809494


>We may have a homo mafia, but they haven't been able to get anything done in terms of changing any doctrine.

What is religious liberty? What is the death penalty?

And is doctrine what your ecclesiastics actually teach and what your laymen actually practice, or is doctrine what is written down in some official book somewhere that everyone ignores? Because according to the first definition, the modern Catholic Church is basically a new religion (which is why the term "Conciliar Church" came into use).

af7a10  No.809556

>church of justice

that's a scary idea

042cf2  No.809592


You cannot read anything new in a way that contradicts previous readings. Death penalty is not anywhere near infallible, and since I don't want to go too deep into V2, religious liberty is only for non Catholic countries. A Catholic country never has to have religious liberty. And these are absolutely nothing compared to divorce and birth control, which is the worst garbage ever.

Doctrine is what Holy Mother Church teaches, not what a fallible priest teaches. Did the church change her doctrine when majority of Bishops were Arians? No. So it doesn't matter if majority of Bishops today even claim that you can sodomize people, because the church cannot and will not ever teach that.

Birth control is completely immoral and so is divorce and remarriage. I'm talking about the most practical heresies that you guys push. Not to mention the numerous theological heresies like denying the immaculate conception, purgatory and so on.

I mean you join a church where you can use birth control? That's not a church that's just harlotry.

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449b47  No.808661[Reply]

How important is it to be able to read the Bible in its original Latin?

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9f1fb2  No.809062


And freemarketists allow alcohol companies to promote malt liquor and Nikes in low income neighborhoods and finer beverages in upper income neighborhoods. Monks handled brewing knowing full well people were going to make theirselves drunk with it because it's all a source of revenue to the state. States relied on compensating and providing laborers with alcohol which is why alcoholism was more widespread in past ages and is even endemic to this day.

ba32ee  No.809103

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ba32ee  No.809104

Vaticanus, Sinaiaticus, and Alexandrinus are late bro

Papyri are where it's at. This pic is old

dc80c6  No.809564


Much of Biblical terminology has usages that are strongly linked to, for example, Hellenic philosophy, especially in the NT. Compare these two lines of John 1:1

>Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

>In principio erat Verbum, et Verbum erat apud Deum, et Deus erat Verbum.

>λόγος =/= Verbo

In order to comprehend this sentence we need to know the whole meaning of Logos, for such meaning "WORD" is incomplete and misleading.

According to Plato, Logos not only designates the abstract categorisation of the world around us, but also that lies beyond the world itself manifested in the Divine Principle, which emanates from the One and Only God and reflects in our immediate world.

Seems like that for a complete understanding of the nuances embedded in the Sacred Scriptures, one must be well-versed in Latin and let alone Greek. Pretty much like Vedic studies require knowledge of Sanskrit to not corrupt its true meaning.

d81143  No.809589

It's nice to read it in it's original Latin, but it's not super useful. I would rather learn Latin so I could read Lapide's commentary, which most of it has not been translated yet. However his Latin is not easy Latin, whereas I've been told the Vulgate's Latin is fairly easy to read and understand.

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