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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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28138c  No.760910[Reply]

If you have to be baptized to be saved, and Jesus was 30 years old when he was baptized, would he have gone to Hell if he died in a freak accident before he was baptized?

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6cd02c  No.761126

>>761124

I am sorry for calling you Nestorian then. You just didn't word it very well at first.


cb18ea  No.761130

>>761119

>Do you think Jesus was just a man but He never sinned so He went to Heaven? Jesus was both God and man, and He went down into Hell and came back.

Jesus is both fully man and fully God, I did not mean to imply otherwise.


2611cf  No.761169

But Christ did go down to Hades.


381108  No.761242

>>760910

No, because he was sinless. He was the new Adam except he didn't screw things up like the first Adam did. And when we are in Christ, God regards us as legally sinless because Christ was sinless.


b891a0  No.761873

One must be baptized to be saved because,

1. They have inherited the original sin of Adam

and therefore

2. Are adopted by God through baptism.

As Christ was already sinless and the son of God his baptism was wholly symbolic.




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21997d  No.759719[Reply]

Why is everbody called christanon? What's wrong with Jesus as the anon name? I want to be Jesus.

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9309c9  No.761652

Christianon is good solution

sounds better


cdb143  No.761675

>>761652

>>760473

The problem is Christian is actually a word whereas Christ and anon are taken from two separate words.

It would need usable stems to form a compound with. Do ya'll even linguistics?

Borrowed into English around 1600 from Late Latin anonymus, from Ancient Greek ᾰνώνῠμος (anṓnumos, “without name”), from ᾰν- (an-, “un-”) with ὄνῠμᾰ (ónuma), Aeolic and Doric dialectal form of ὄνομᾰ (ónoma, “name”).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anonymous

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Christo-


da561e  No.761737

>>760501

I don't use discord so I can't get it to them. Maybe you or someone else would do it if it's convenient?


17e2d2  No.761748

>>759719

who gives a friggin shit?


79933c  No.761758

>>761675

The two words can be blended together, in the case of Christian + anon, this would be blending via phonemic overlap. This is a perfectly valid method of word derivation. Do you even linguistics? Because if you did you'd know that if people naturally do something it's valid, and linguistics just explains the tendencies people use in word formation.




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80ed66  No.737213[Reply]

Guys let's have a thread discussing Evangelical Catholicism (i.e. Lutheranism). :)

All Confessional Lutheran Denominations are welcome in this thread to discuss.

Liberal heretical Lutherans are NOT welcome in this thread. Homosexuality, abortion, female clergy, higher criticism, ecumenism, relativism, and modernism of any kind are not tolerated in this thread. If you hold to any of these, then get out or we'll burn you at the stake.

NICENE CREED IN GERMAN:

Wir glauben an den einen Gott,

den Vater, den Allmächtigen,

der alles geschaffen hat,

Himmel und Erde,

die sichtbare und die unsichtbare Welt.

Und an den einen Herrn Jesus Christus,

Gottes eingeborenen Sohn,

aus dem Vater geboren vor aller Zeit:

Gott von Gott,

Licht vom Licht,

wahrer Gott vom wahren Gott,

gezeugt, nicht geschaffen,

eines Wesens mit dem Vater;

durch ihn ist alles geschaffen.

Für uns Menschen und zu unserm Heil ist er vom Himmel gekommen,

hat Fleisch angenommen durch den Heiligen Geist

von der Jungfrau Maria und ist Mensch geworden.

Er wurde für uns gekreuzigt unter Pontius Pilatus,

hat gelitten und ist begraben worden,

ist am dritten Tage auferstanden nach der Schrift

und aufgefahren in den Himmel.

Er sitzt zur Rechten des Vaters

und wird wiederkommen in Herrlichkeit,

zu richten die Lebenden und die Toten;

seiner Herrschaft wird kein Ende sein.

Wir glauben an den Heiligen Geist,

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07d653  No.750673

>>737846

Its good, conservative and founded by mostly LCMS pastors they brought over.


07d653  No.750674

>>747721

>I believe that the LCAMS is Apostolic as they're the most traditional in the USA

I'd say WELS is


bd61c7  No.754183

howdy


f487c7  No.761749

What do Lutherans think of the claim that Martin Luther was prophesied of a century earlier?


436f1e  No.761756

>>749544

>the Vatican won’t do shit about this sex abuse nightmare until you start an exodus into other denoms

If you think that the Catholic faith is fake, just rebuke it. This half assed "You can leave Catholicism and then come back later!" thing is heretical and will only attract lukewarms that will in turn further ruin YOUR church.




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8a9f1a  No.758895[Reply]

How should we feel about female pastors? I know the Bible is clear about women in church and their role in society, and I agree, but I don't want my views to stem from the fact that I'm a misogynistic incel. In other words, why should I feel strongly about female leadership in the church when I'm struggling with my own sin that's bigger? I'm naturally bitter towards the female condition to some extent and I don't want my religious stances shaped by my own faults.

Also, for those of you who agree with me on this, shouldn't women also keep their heads covered in church beyond just their hair? If we adopt one verse from 1 Corinthians 11 we can't just ignore the next.

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d77638  No.761389

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7d0af3  No.761395

>>759309

Oh no doubt, any denomination is doomed once it ordains female clergy.

>>759613

I'm literally not responsible for the actions of others. Nor are the majority of Catholics responsible for Luciferian infiltration into the Church.


174af8  No.761690

maleanon here. I'm mad God hasn't called me to bear children.


9d9244  No.761719

>>759450

bumping my own question


7bb415  No.761731

>Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed; then Eve. And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression. Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety. (1 Timothy 2)




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e14158  No.761200[Reply]

How do I get baptised? I'm not part of a church, and I have no transportation so I couldn't go to one regularly - I could beg friends to take me somewhere once or twice, but they aren't interested on taking me to church.

I understand that baptism is about becoming part of the Christian community, but it's also a vital part of salvation. Can't any Christian baptise me?

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c25856  No.761683

>So, Orthodox don't even think Catholics and Protestants have been baptised correctly? Meaning they don't think other Christians have been saved?

Most Catholics aren't baptized correctly, some Protestants are and some aren't. Either way it doesn't matter, because as I said earlier, Baptism is not sufficient for salvation. One must also be Chrismated (Confirmed), receive the Eucharist, and do all this with true faith. To Baptize someone who does not have true faith, or who will not grow into the true faith (if they were baptized as a baby), is to spiritually abort them, so to speak. If someone is Baptized and Confirmed but does not receive the Eucharist, they are given the proper preparation for growing in Christ but they are not actually given to grow in Christ. If someone receives the Eucharist without being Baptized and Confirmed, they are being thrown into divine fire unprepared, so to speak. And even if someone is Baptized, Confirmed, and receives the Eucharist, but does so without having faith, then they desecrate the sacraments and rather than receiving salvation they receive condemnation.


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9f2283  No.761711

>>761683

>One must also be Chrismated (Confirmed)

Is this correct;

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation#Roman_Catholic_Church

>According to the ancient practice maintained in the Roman liturgy, an adult is not to be baptized unless he receives Confirmation immediately afterward, provided no serious obstacles exist

So, actually, I would get baptised and confirmed at the same time?


a31d63  No.761713

>>761711

>So, actually, I would get baptised and confirmed at the same time?

As an Adult convert, yes. You would be baptized, confirmed, and receive your first holy communion within minutes of each other at the Easter Vigil.


df900b  No.761716

>>761668

>So, I could get any Catholic to baptise me? And it would be valid in my extreme situation?

Yes.

THAT BEING SAID

DON'T

Don't receive your first holy communion if you're baptizing at home

Only a Priest can consecrate a Eucharist.




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0c1df4  No.761344[Reply]

Catholic here.

I have been looking into Sedevacantism since last year, as I'm not supportive of the current Pope. While this is more for political reasons than spiritual reasons, I do not approve of the path the Pope is taking, and for the longest time, I've felt no real inclination towards going to Mass every weekend (I've usually gone along with my parents, but during my time alone in college, I only went to Mass two to three times out of the four years). Maybe I'm tired of visiting the same Church, and tired of the same people who attend. Maybe I'm looking for some reaffirmation or reason to attend Church, but I've also been looking for alternatives to my Christian faith, such as Sedevacantism and the Eastern Orthodox faith.

I just feel disillusioned with my faith as a whole. I do strive to be a good Christian, and I do profess a belief in God (better to believe in Him and do good, than to believe in nothing and spout hatred of Him). What should I do with my faith?

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72eb3b  No.761457

>>761449

It’s demoncraps that worship Roosevelt, and the people who supported Joseph Stalin are long dead, and we do not run Europe. The EU is a disaster, and it is run by Europeans, albeit subversive Juden like George Soros.

I do not see you as my enemy. You are my brother in Christ.


f23c93  No.761653

Why would you want to be a heretic? Honest question.


5a1c1c  No.761663

>>761653

50% of sedevacantists are Vatican 2 shitposters, 40% literally just want Benedict back and 10% are fringe autists.

I can't really get angry at a man for wanting Benedict back.


aa78bd  No.761664

>>761663

>claims to be Catholic

>refuses to take part in Rome


f23c93  No.761676

>>761663

I want Benedict back but that's not reality, reality is Pope Francis.




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50615a  No.754639[Reply]

LONG POST WARNING

Yes it’s one of those threads, but bear with me:

The Anglican Ordinerate (I’m just going to say AO for the rest of this post) and Western Orthodoxy might seem good on paper, a way for high church Prots to finalize their apostolic faith. Believe me, I was once one of the few (and still am in many respects) who wanted to join Western Orthodoxy, since I feel like I should be in touch with my historical roots and be able to tap into the West’s spiritual treasures like the Rosary, the Rule of St Benedict and the Gregorian Mass without surrendering myself to the ever growing liberalism that plagues the Roman church. I assume this is the same sort of idea behind the AO, for either Catholics who desire to have their own distinctly English identity, or for Anglicans switching over to function like Uniates and retain their heritage while being Roman Catholic.

But then I read this article: https://catholicherald.co.uk/issues/august-26th-2016/britains-ordinariate-is-in-peril-here-is-how-to-save-it/

Now this wouldn’t normally get to me that much. After all, it’s a few years old, and that’s across the sea for me, right? But then I remember, back before I took the commitment to being orthodox, attending the same denomination >>752541 mentions in their post. It was small, and the service felt more like something the parishioners did out of obligation then something people enjoyed doing. And that’s my main concern (and why I created a new thread specifically for this): Anglicanism and arguably tradtional Western spirituality as a whole is dying. The Episcopalians loose more and more people every week as their services get more and more liberal, the Catholic Church has become a completely different beast than it was 70 years ago, the Continuing Anglicans, AO and Western Orthodox are so small as to be mere curiosities for the most part. Outside of Apostolic Christianity, the churches are all either going the route of parroting the hip megachurches, becoming personality cults for their fundamentalist (and often shifting to the poles of ultra-Zionist or Anti-Semitic) pastoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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fb0baa  No.761294

>>761283

I should warn you though. They aren't free of interference by the Hierarchy.

The priest who preached that sermon had this happen to him:

I received a note this morning explaining yet another case of faithful clerics suppressed and silence for their Faith in this miserable era of Francis.

***

Frank:

Good morning.

I am writing to report something that hasn’t yet made its way to any publication, but hopefully someone will bring this to light.

In addition to my wife and I being parishioners at the FSSP apostolate here in Minneapolis, we also from time to time attend St. Bede the Venerable, which is a mission parish of The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter. While neither my wife nor myself were ever associated with Anglicans or Episcopalians, the Ordinariate Form of the Roman Rite is much more palpable than Novus Ordo masses. We started attending there about 1.5 years ago. It is a very small parish; it doesn’t even have its own building and must rent time/space from another Catholic parish. I’ve been trying to get my Episcopalian friends to attend there in the hope that they will eventually convert. More particularly, St. Bede’s pastor, Fr. Vaughn Treco, speaks plainly and to the point; much better than most other priests I’ve heard or met.

Last night, my wife and I attended St. Bede’s for mass, but Fr. Treco was not presiding, nor anywhere to be seen. Instead, a diocesan priest was presiding. At the end of the mass, the priest made an announcement, indicating that as of yesterday, Fr. Treco had been relieved of his duties as pastor of St. Bede’s, with the diocesan priest being appointed the interim pastor. We were told that Fr. Treco had been removed because of the sermon he made on The Feast of Christ the King (ordinary time) on November 25 of last year. This sermon wasPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


014ed3  No.761576

>>761294

>>761283

I know why this guy got in shit for presenting this, although I'm glad he had the courage to do it.


cca076  No.761608

>>754850

>My point was that Anglicans and Episcopalians shouldn’t jump ship but rather try to bring back their church to the Apostolic faith

I'm not an Episcopalian, but I read that a Bishop is being restricted for opposing the modern direction of the Episcopal Church. His critics say he should just leave. I'm curious if this is what you mean, that as a bishop, would it be best if he stayed or left?


b83b83  No.761622

>>761294

>Pastor teaches something his leadership doesn't like

>Censored

This is what happens when you remove the autonomy of the local church

Conservative methodists are currently calling the bluffs of the UMC. Pastors will preach against homosexuality, the UMC will threaten to move him, and the congregation tells the UMC that they'll just leave the denomination if they try it.

If you're a Baptist or other autonomous local church, you're only accountable to God and your congregation


c3b708  No.761667

>>754675

>this is your brain on Vitamin K




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3f43d7  No.759222[Reply]

What's /christian/'s view on gaming/video games?

Not necessarily Christian games or the Christian gaming community in particular just the relationship between the hobby of playing video games and being a practicing Christian/Christianity in general.

Is it an overall harmful material hobby distracting us from God?

Is it just an alright part time activity one can pursue with no harm in it?

Perhaps a way to connect with friends?

What is 'too much' when it comes to playing said games?

Are they childish and should be abandoned by any responsible Christian adult?

Questions like that and many more surround the topic at hand, discuss.

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56c9a0  No.760294

>>760050

I mean generally, like video games you're most likely playing on a PC, you're quite literally a few clicks away from failing NoFap and it's lot harder to get rid of the urges when you're always so close to fulfilling them.

At least that's my experience, whenever I play vidya I always get bored eventually and when I quit one it's like "What do?" if urges arise in those moments it's a lot harder to deal with them since you're right in front of the PC.


d2747d  No.760298

>>759222

Most videogames turned into leftist propaganda now. I have more fun developing them than playing them.


6b37f4  No.760714

>>760294

Ok. I do understand the feeling of thinking of 'What do I do?" when you're bored and then wanting to fap, which is a good reason for a hobby. But also a good reason to not spend too much time on a PC, including for games.

>>760298

this was brought up in another thread, it's an interesting idea

>>757972

>>757014


74e8e2  No.760765

>>759222

Might as well ask /christian/ on what they think about any kind of non-ascetic activity.


6b37f4  No.761597

Another question I want to bring up is about narrative media, which is an issue in books, TV, and movies, but it's an issue in games too. More and more games are now story-driven, and I wonder about the kind of messages or themes present in some games. The ones that are outright hostile to religion, especially Christianity, are certainly problematic. It's the rest of the games you have to be careful with. I'm not against any narrative that makes you think(should I be?), but it's important to think about if there is anything immoral within stories. I don't think conflict is necessary bad, it's a part of writing a story, and showing immorality is sometimes necessary in order to portray it as wrong. But here are just a few things I think about. I'm not trying to start a moral panic, and I'm not saying these things are definitely wrong. I don't know if they are, but I think it's worth questioning.

Fantasy magic. Games don't usually link it to witchcraft or other occult things. (If the game does, you probably shouldn't be playing that game) It's still called magic though.

Fantasy religions. Within fantasy worlds, there are sometimes fictional religions or fictional gods. Sometimes it's in the background as world-building, sometimes it's more involved.

Intelligent, non-human life. God created us, and we are more than animals. But some media makes other species that are also intelligent. They could be typical fantasy races, like dwarves or elves. They could be talking animals. They could be animals. Or they might be science fiction, like aliens. Or clones or robots, created by mere men.

Dragons. Sometimes fantasy portrays them as mere animals, other times as intelligent beings, but Christianity has never portrayed them in a good light that I'm aware of. Same question can apply to zombies, ghosts/spirits, or other fantasy monsters.

Dinosaurs and evolution. Some people think these are compatible with Christianity, some don't. But they appear in a few games, so it's worth bringing up.

History. Strategy games come to mind, as sometimes religion is present in them. But ChristianitPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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44fddc  No.757967[Reply]

I'm looking for evidence that the Baptists were the Christians that were practicing the religion from the beginning

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baaf82  No.760936

>>760932

That's not how etymology works


597db0  No.761497

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>>758011

ecumenism done right

Catholic, Orthadox, or prot i'm proud of all you funposters who did your part in making this MP4 possible.


a5ad2b  No.761518

>>760898

>Here Irenaeus contradicts Baptist doctrine by stating there is only ONE church contra the Baptist and Andersonite denial of a single unified church. Whoops, Irenaeus says here those who sow schism in this Church, not a bunch of autonomous IFB churches will be judged.

I don't think that is a common baptist belief though. Most baptists believe in a universal church. Anderson is an outlier, not just on this but on a lot of things.


a0b71a  No.761525

>>761518

The southern Baptist confession of faith affirms the universe church


a0b71a  No.761527

>>761525

Universal




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89620b  No.750862[Reply]

Do you pay for all of your anime? Surely piracy is a sin. (Romans 13:1-2)

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89723e  No.757990

Selling software you didn't make is obviously immoral

Downloading a cracked version of some software that you can get easily is probably immoral, especially if the developers still make money off of it

Downloading a NES rom that does not make the original workers money anymore isn't immoral because nobody is losing anything

If I was to buy a secondhand videogame from a store then the original workers who made the game don't make any money, it makes no difference to them if I either download it online or buy it through a third party, which alot of the time is the only option to obtain this software because the developers no longer sell or support it, is it immoral to download a .iso of windows xp?

The worker is certainly due his wages so dont withhold them from him if you want his work and he is selling it, render onto Caesar what is Caesars

Another thing of note, is it immoral to not follow a law if its not enforced at all? In the UK it is law that every boy over the age of 14 needs to practice with a bow 2 hours a week, but just like people downloading nes roms its not enforced at all, is it immoral to not practice archery now?


350881  No.758012

>>750862

Viewing pirated streaming content is not illegal where I live, so I'm not breaking the law when I do. I watch it non-pirated when it has been made available and only watch pirated when I cannot get it non-pirated. They aren't losing any money from me because I would not be able to pay them to watch it if I wanted to. Also if I really like something I might buy the Blu-Ray or the manga so they would at least get something from me. I think copyright laws are dumb but I obey those that I am subject to.


6926aa  No.758013

>>750868

What if you tape it on VHS from a TV Tokyo stream? Is rewatching old baseball games a sin too?


01cc51  No.758047

>>758012

>Viewing pirated streaming content is not illegal where I live

Literally what?


350881  No.761501

>>758047

I'm in Canada. Unless the copyright law has changed recently unbeknownst to me, streaming copyrighted videos is legal. Only downloading copyrighted videos to save to your hard drive is illegal.




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ffd937  No.761239[Reply]

Pope 'closely watching' Venezuela chaos, but takes no side…

The United States and many Latin American countries, including Argentina, have recognized Guaido as president.

http://archive.today/2019.01.25-011432/https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-vatican/vatican-calls-for-end-to-suffering-in-venezuela-but-takes-no-sides-idUSKCN1PI2QM

PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Pope Francis is following the situation in Venezuela closely and the Holy See supports all efforts to spare its people from further suffering, the Vatican said on Thursday. But in its first statement on the crisis, the Vatican took no sides between Nicolas Maduro, who was elected president in a vote last year widely regarded as fraudulent, and congress leader Juan Guaido, who declared himself interim president on Wednesday. The Argentine pontiff, Latin America’s first pope, is currently on a visit to Panama. “In Panama, the Holy Father has been informed of the news coming from Venezuela and is closely following the situation as it evolves,” spokesman Alessandro Gisotti said. “He is praying for the victims and for all the people of Venezuela. The Holy See supports all efforts that help save the population from further suffering,” he said. In 2016, the Vatican convened mediation talks between Maduro and the opposition, with little success.

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b77e93  No.761430

>>761412

I disagree and I'm a Catholic


ecdfcb  No.761434

>>761430

We'd knew, cucktholic. No need to extend yourself.


705cff  No.761450

>>761412

based and cathpilled.


64052b  No.761471

>>761412

Ancient symphonia, not modernist dominionism, mate.


2dc173  No.761475

>>761472

Rule 2, you coprolagnian.




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fb5b82  No.757149[Reply]

Why would God make Satan and demons to deliberately temp people to do evil and posses them? Isn't man's free will to choose evil or good by itself enough? Why make something that pushes them to sin?

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76b9f1  No.757765

>>757762

You're talking about demonic oppression/obsession friend, not demonic possession. There are many innocent people who got possessed by demons. Those with demonic obsession or welcome demons inside their body will get possessed more easily, but that doesn't mean that those without it can't get possessed. I think you missed a few key points.


357217  No.757941

>>757634

>be seen as persuasive in other boards

Maybe the other boards you browse are filled with retards.

Claiming that man doing evil implies the existence of free will is extremely weak argumentation, in particular when held against "And the Lord hardened the Pharaoh's heart" and citations in the exact opposite direction.


00ff55  No.757949

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>>757941

>Claiming that man doing evil implies the existence of free will is extremely weak argumentation,

Except that is not at all what the scripture is saying. Pardon my childish ad hominem but it seems the boards (you) browse have bad reading comprehension I blame the public schools.

I'm going to post it again and hold your hand on this one.

>But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

>Genesis 2:7

You see, friend, what God is doing is giving Adam and Eve (A&E) a CHOICE. A&E had not committed their sin nor did God assume that A&E would disobey Him.

Just so we are clear their choices were as follows:

1) Listen to God's command and live in paradise with Him for all eternity

Or

2) Disobey God and eventually die

Our God is a God of love. You can't love someone if you already planned on killing them at a predestined time. You also can't love someone if you are literally forcing them to love you. Thats why God gave us a CHOICE.


86f11a  No.757989

>>757941

Or maybe /christian/, with all its redditors and all the people that don't understand, is the one in the wrong. Who'd been know?


a9d0ed  No.761340

demons got free will too they just use it poorly




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3e8f33  No.760877[Reply]

Daily reminder whenever you argue with atheists simply draw out their presuppositions and show how they are incoherent.

So if you're arguing the morality of some Christian doctrine or prophet's behavior , don't let them presuppose good and evil as givens, but challenge how such things can even exist in a godless world.

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5f53bb  No.761272

>>761264

Doesnt he do simmilar things with respect to scholasticism though?

>>761267

These arent mutually exclusive. If argument can help bring friends and family to Christ it is absolutely worthwhile.


6e8886  No.761317

>Obviously, thought is not random, logic exists, and thus, there must have been something intelligent that created our intelligence.

>>761068

Why?


6e8886  No.761318

>>761317

The why is supposed to quote the green text


4970b0  No.761322

>>761272

>Doesnt he do simmilar things with respect to scholasticism though?

This is where he's extremely helpful, I think. Forget the atheists. Catholics and Orthodox are seperated brothers, and I'm sad to say Orthodox don't make enough effort to speak Catholic's language. He can.


0cf6ca  No.761337

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>>761317

You're asking why Thought isn't Random? Or how that gets back to, God? For thought not being just this random bi product of nature. You're already consciously or unconsciously assuming it's more than just random flux. Otherwise what's the winnie the pooh of thinking about anything. Let alone Grand Get that *Grand* Scheme narratives that we can like in this thread. It just follows, which being unwarranted in it's self. But if we're still using *Logic* Then logically speaking what's the point about asking questions about, or anything for that matter. None of this going anywhere and never will go anywhere, it's all just going to end up in Nietzsche's ouroboros. As for Thought being the direct creation of, God. Well if we come to the realization that Thought actually isn't just random Chemical flux, where we're not making actual arguments. But that they do have Weight behind them. It just logically follows down the trail of. That order is established in the world. And ultimately where do i get this standard from? Why are my thoughts carrying weight to them, and why do i, like, you go out into the world with ideally, although it's evident that great many people do not. But ideally after going over thoughts acting as if they have meaning and a real weight and force to them, people then tend to go out and argue for certain axioms, even, Atheism Which is retared see, Hume, Or Nietzsche who saw these types of people as same side of a flip coin. But point being that If God Created the Universe he established order, purpose, reasoning, Logic, and everything we hold dear in this world. And it can account for yes, Thought, Which Naturalism can't even account for it's self. It's just Like C.S Lewis said in his Reply to, Dr. H.H. Price. *I don't even need to appeal to religion to refute Naturalism, Naturalism refutes it's self on it's on grounds*

Pic related just to tie it up. This, is more on logic. But with thought you can really get the same idea, i mean with thought, people even the evangelical atheist, like to and usually by some odd reason tend to have the default axiom of Yes my thoughts carry weight and meaning. Which if atheism is true they really don't, which you don't see people admitting that until you get up to someone like Hume or Nietzsche.




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521b1a  No.760347[Reply]

non extremist muslim here.

convince me that christianity is the way.

totally open minded.

thank you.

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1bc5a8  No.761310

There is reason to believe Islam to originate from some form of Syriac Nestorianism with local gnostic influence, as well as the Koran being plagiarized from the Bible. I am having trouble finding a certain source that corroborates these theses so if anyone can help me out here I'd appreiate.


456c45  No.761331

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f8f014  No.761334

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>>761332

Here’s All things that are wrong with Islam anon


bb5eb4  No.764146

What sect are you?




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f1e347  No.759537[Reply]

Rise of Satanism in America…

The Satanic Temple, founded in 2012 by Lucien Greaves and Malcolm Jarry, has since spread to dozens of chapters across the US and Europe

http://archive.today/2019.01.21-232826/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6616577/The-rise-Satanism-America-members-dont-ACTUALLY-worship-devil-push-activism.html

They first cropped up seemingly out of nowhere about six years ago, adorned in black capes with curved devil horns affixed to their heads, holding posters and black American flags as they shouted ‘Hail, Satan’ on the steps of government institutions from Arkansas and Florida to Oklahoma and Detroit. The antics and declarations seemed like a hoax to many – onlookers and journalists and politicians alike – until it became apparent that members of newly-formed The Satanic Temple were here to stay. And they were growing, exponentially. Since TST’s founding in 2012, the organization has increased from a handful of members to tens of thousands, with chapters all over the US and the globe, from Stockholm to London and Los Angeles to Texas. And their ‘pranksterism,’ as filmmaker Penny Lane first considered it, has given way to a well-conceived ethos, forming an organized ‘religion’ for a ‘group of contrarians’ opposed to any organization at all.

The Satanic Temple, it seems, is becoming more and more firmly established across the United States – largely composed of individuals who don’t even worship Satan in the first place but center on a different interpretation of biblical teachings. And Lane’s new documentary about the group, premiering later this month at Utah’s famed Sundance Film Festival, paints a surprising portrait of the unlikely ‘religion’ – one which has challenged even the preconceived notions of the director herself. ‘The reason this became a feature length documentary was that I found so many interesting surprises at each stage of discovery,’ says Lane, the title of whose documentary – Hail, Satan? – fittingly addresses the controvePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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b1e4fc  No.759785

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>rise of edge-ism in America


b1e4fc  No.759787

Forgot to add that near every one of those poohsies would pooh their breaches at the mere thought of sacrificing a baby to a cow demon and would run screeching back to Christ.


c058e7  No.761278

>>759685

True, they’re more like psychopath reprobates


f2fd6c  No.761301

>>759610

They're not LARPers, they're real. Zachary King is an ex-Satanist, now he's Roman Catholic.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFcZG46lfRhaEOvMPGW-cNw/videos


f2fd6c  No.761302

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>>761301

Here's the interview with Rick Wiles




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