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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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a7c8ad  No.777234[Reply]

No offence lads, obviously there's a lot more to denominations than something this superficial but it seems so basic to me that the Church that came first has to be the rightful one.

At first glance I would say there are only two potential apostolic branches, the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church, prior to them Christianity has been united so it's natural to conclude that when two Churches came out of The Great Schism that seperated Christendom, one of them has to be legitimate, simple as that.

And to decide which one is legitimate one needs to look into the scripture, study holy tradition, the doctrines/teachings of both Churches, read the Church Fathers etc and then I think one can make an informed decision on their own on which they deem to be legitimate.

So then what is the draw to Protestant denominations who are all clearly material reactionary developments of their time?

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d6f7a7  No.786792

>How do Protestants cope with their Church being less than a millenium old?

Our Church, the Church of Jesus Christ, is as old as when it has been founded by the Messiah.

When our Church institutions have been founded, doesn't matter

3692b7  No.788567


I believe philosophy refines itself with time, and that the church exists as a philosophical front for the spiritual/metaphysical.

ddb19e  No.788571


If it was so philosophical, St. Paul wouldn't have outright called the Gospel "foolishness" to the world.

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."

It didn't even attempt to answer philosophy until the times of Sts. Irenaeus and Justin Martyr when they finally gave a defense to the Hellenic/Roman outsiders who had written off Christianity as a religion for housewives and slaves. And those who outright attempted to merge philosophy got the boot and are forever considered heretics (Marcion, Origen, etc).

The Church Jesus built is certainly transformative and powerful and changes society for the better.. but it's never been for Platonic or Far Eastern notions of enlightenment. And the least in it's kingdom are in fact the greatest.

ca9b05  No.788585


Your interpretation is debatable, St. Paul is calling preaching to pagans and the like a sort of "foolishness", not the Gospel itself, nor the teachings or traditions contained within and without through the Church.

>It didn't even attempt to answer philosophy

Nonsense, as St. Paul told the Areopagites, God did in fact wink at them, and God's work is empirical to a certain degree. But no philosopher arrived at the Truth, which is only available through the Son. Philosophy through the revelation of God is more than biblical.

>And those who outright attempted to merge philosophy got the boot and are forever considered heretics (Marcion, Origen, etc)

And what of Augustine or Aquinas, friend?

0ae349  No.789082

Catholics are really just modern day Pharisees.

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f2b6e1  No.788459[Reply]

Are there any here who think that the creation story is a metaphor for evolution?

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64bca9  No.788517


Yes, I agree, although "Abba" in English is "Father."

28a1fe  No.788526


yeah and logos in english is word (I sometimes prefer to use the word Aba in prayer over father)

f9e7ef  No.788554


That's heresy.

3dd1fe  No.788563


Yeah, pretty much nothing in Genesis excludes scientific theories of evolution or the formation of the earth. If you want to I can go into more details.

1d1dd1  No.788566

If I'm already believing in Christ, might as well believe in the literal creation.

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79927d  No.787320[Reply]

I know that suicide is a sin, but what about taking actions that, while not directly causing death, increase my chance of death? These actions include eating unhealthy food, not exercising, and smoking. I don't want to live a long life.

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9ffff1  No.788130


Thank you.

41cd0e  No.788140


>I don't think hating myself is a sin if the hate is well deserved.

Well, that's the thing. It IS a sin, because it's never deserved. We are God's creation, made in his image, How could self-destruction ever make sense given that? Jesus himself says on numerous occasions, that our own self judgement is one of the biggest barriers keeping us from reaching the kingdom of God. He accepts the lowest of the low (murderers, rapists, prostitutes, etc) just as much as he accepts the Saints, so what makes you think you're so special that you don't deserve any self respect?

If you feel you're a burden on your family, either they're the sinners in the wrong for making you feel that way, or you're misinterpreting your own situation to make it seem worse than it actually is. Instead of feeling like a burden, you should acknowledge how generous God is for providing you a family that's supporting you, even when even you don't see your own value. And don't forget that God's plan is never just about you, it's about everyone. Your purpose in being here may just be for the sake of having your family support you, and here you are thinking about screwing God's plan up for them.

4a446b  No.788228


It sounds like that's about helping your family, not taking care of your own health.

9a2bc5  No.788311


Keep in mind OP, it is possible that God could bless you with a peaceful passing in your sleep if you live to a healthy old age. If instead you abuse your body, you will most likely die a slow, agonizing death, which will only increase the burden on your family.

I believe you would benefit from a hardworking job doing manual labor. You would also benefit from increased prayer, spiritual reading, and reflection, as would we all.

d56c82  No.788547

DO NOT go down this route. I have permanent pain from extreme sports.

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f312eb  No.786956[Reply]

I hear everyone on here always pissing and moaning over "Rabbinic Judaism" and the Talmud. But have you guys actually ever read the Talmud? I'm not defending it or anything and it does contain some blasphemous stuff about Jesus and Mary but really other than that all it is is a bunch of Rabbis debating over how to interpret the law of Moses and also how the law was practiced in the time of Jesus. For example, it tells us that the Passover lambs were slain at 12:30 PM (half past the 6th hour) if Passover began on the Sabbath It also tells us how to Sanhedrin worked and stuff. A lot of is pretty harmless so what's the fuss? How is Rabbinic Judaism different from ancient Judaism minus the Temple? I am genuinely curious.

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3d3a4e  No.787287

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>All of them have secret rituals where they worship the new moon every lunar cycle and they sacrifice chickens over their head to pass sins into it, for example.

3a163f  No.788480

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>he thinks the wave-chicken-sacrifice-over-head ritual is something that exists only in history

This is Brooklyn.

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4612e6  No.788491

Yea, maybe, but Christianity still disagrees with the Rabbis and the Talmud

5bcc34  No.788519


Look at how they blaspheme the sacrifices ordained by God in Leviticus. Instead of simply killing the animal as swiftly as can be done by physical means (a swift cut to the jugular), they toss the poor chicken to and fro.

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4fef9b  No.787724[Reply]

How the hell is raising your hands in the air and getting all emotional for like an hour while a guy screams verses out of the Bible worship? There is no cult, no sacrifice, no priests or liturgy, no prayers to follow along to, no chanting of psalms. Do you think the priests in the Temple back in the days of Solomon were doing this? Do you think the early Christians were doing this when they gathered for the Eucharist? Seriously Protestants, especially of the charismatic type, baffle me.

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e593f2  No.788416


That doesn't really address the question.

Why isn't the trust in taking the Eucharist as salvific in contradiction with Ephesians 2:9, for the christian?

e593f2  No.788420


How did you conclude that

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e593f2  No.788434


Yes, the Christian should do those things. This is again stated in chapter 4.

How does this illuminate the conclusion you reached that the prohibition against trusting in works only applies to the unconverted? I'm asking for a hermeneutical answer.

e593f2  No.788450


So there's nothing intrinsic in Ephesians 2 that made you reach your conclusion, but you're attempting to fit this in with a doctrine you find elsewhere. That is a valid line of reasoning.

You reconcile James 2 "a man is justified by works" and Ephesians 2 "through faith, not of works" by identifying several justifications. Is that accurate?

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2d9e9b  No.787825[Reply]

I know a lot of people believe that Heaven is a place without pain or hardship of any kind, but I find that extremely hard to believe. Not only do I think that man needs hardships to triumph over for his own well being, but Heaven is where the Angelic Rebellion took place and that certainly couldn't have been painless.

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714217  No.788354


aae6ef  No.788356


There is no sex in Heaven.

66a774  No.788357


I think you need to remember that we only really need to overcome hardship as men because of Adam's curse to toil in the dirt and suffer from it, before the fall Adam rested constantly in God's presence and with the animals God created for him, I think it would be similar to this. We'll be able to finally see God's face and be at peace, in eternal wonder and glory

8bdd70  No.788408


More like muslimposting

but whats the difference, amirite?

daaf7a  No.788555


actually come to think of it do muslims actually say endless sex like the moromons, or is it just implied what with the whole 72 virgins thing

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a6844f  No.752130[Reply]

How do I stop worshiping money? I think it's corrupting me.

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1a954f  No.788164

It is good for a true Christian to earn money, the more he earns the less it comes to the hands of evil.

But do not just give that money you earned back to the evil, all those "charity organizations".

They bring us problems, and they are actually doing more to destroy the ones you think they would try to help.

Do you think you do good if you send bread to Africa? A food we don't eat for any value it has but just to fill the parts of our bellies not already filled with pork liver and chicken-breasts?

If you want to spend your money somewhere, spend it to the local church. That will put a house of god one day more away from being demolished by some godless mayor. That will also help them furnishing the Church so it may become a little bit more beautiful of all the churches that are there. It may also help the Church helping the poor and needy of your home.

21f147  No.788212

I've been suckered to depend on money due to owing over $20,000 in student loans. I wish I could become a monk or a Jesuit brother and leave this secular life all behind but I'm bounded to it and I hate it. I don't even want to be involved in any career with the degree that I'm about to earn.

How do I escape this and get closer to GOD?

a47988  No.788213

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If you live in America you can always

1) join the military (GI bill will pay for your debts)

2)Join the Peace Corps (they will forgive your debts for x amount of overseas charity work)

Number 2 will be your best bet imo as you wont (probably) die during your service and you will be doing charity work for poor 3rd worlders.

ffb23a  No.788214


what is opposite of greed and mammon worship? Charity, do charity.

ffb23a  No.788216



there are some catholic orgs that help prospective religious pay off their debts.

here is a example: https://rescuevocations.org/

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77a3d8  No.787788[Reply]

>The Home Office refused asylum to an Iranian who converted from Islam to Christianity because it said that Christianity was not a peaceful religion.

>The Iranian national claimed asylum in 2016, but was turned down, with Home Office officials saying his conversion from Islam was 'inconsistent' with his claim Christianity was a peaceful religion - by highlighting violent passages from the bible. They said that the Book of Revelation was “filled with imagery of revenge, destruction, death and violence”.

The statement concludes:

>These examples are inconsistent with your claim that you converted to Christianity after discovering it is a 'peaceful' religion, as opposed to Islam which contains violence rage and revenge'




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d046fb  No.787991

>And Rabbi Yoḥanan says: A gentile who engages in Torah study is liable to receive the death penalty; as it is stated: “Moses commanded us a law [torah], an inheritance of the congregation of Jacob” (Deuteronomy 33:4), indicating that it is an inheritance for us, and not for them.- Sanhedrin 59a

>Fight against those People of the Book who have no faith in God or the Day of Judgment, who do not consider unlawful what God and His Messenger have made unlawful, and who do not believe in the true religion, until they humbly pay tax with their own hands. -Quran 9:29

Sounds like Islam and Judaism are not peaceful religions at all and in fact are telling their followers to actually take violent action instead of just saying “let God handle it”

161f11  No.787999

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Read the full 59a.

The other rabbis immediately disagreed, and their responses went from "Gentiles doing Torah study is awesome" to "a gentile that does that is holier than a high priest".

The Talmud is a weird book of contrarian jews bickering over anything and everything.

Now, Islam, especially Salafi-influenced?

That's another story.

9d74c5  No.788020


>The Gemara raises an objection to Rabbi Yoḥanan’s statement from a baraita: Rabbi Meir would say: From where is it derived that even a gentile who engages in Torah study is considered like a High Priest? It is derived from that which is stated: “You shall therefore keep My statutes and My ordinances, which if a man does he shall live by them” (Leviticus 18:5). The phrase: Which if priests, Levites, and Israelites do they shall live by them, is not stated, but rather: “A man,” which indicates mankind in general. You have therefore learned that even a gentile who engages in Torah study is considered like a High Priest.

>The Gemara answers: There, in the baraita, the reference is to a gentile who engages in the study of their seven mitzvot. It is a mitzva for a gentile to study the halakhot that pertain to the seven Noahide mitzvot, and when he does so he is highly regarded.

The rabbi got counter objected and got told that Gentiles can only study stuff that got to do with Noahide Laws then after that they just went arguing what applies to both groups and what applies to Jews only.

ecf90d  No.788043


would it have hurt these guys to have written the Talmud a bit better?

"so and so said this but this man and this rabbi said this" is annoying to read

b736d1  No.788207


>it's Job over and over but without God appearing at the end or depth

I give it a 5/10.

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647297  No.787663[Reply]

How do we convert India and rid the entire continent from idols?

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88cea4  No.787976


Sorry friend, but that is not how it works. We christians do not work togheter with muslims and even less jews. For we believe the only true abrahamic faith is christianity

5d9c73  No.787980

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They will kill you if you try, and possibly even kill your new converts. Try to convert Indians in the Western world if you want, but be careful when trying to go to countries that won't protect your rights.

fa95d5  No.787981

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Nagalanders were animists, not hindus.

Animists are usually easy-picking for monotheistic faiths, be they cathortodox, evangelical missionaries, or Islam(Buddhists are also easier to convert).

When you start competing with a religion that was actually there for a long time and has a developed canon, and/or one of the above mentioned monotheists, it gets tense, and it grows very slowly, unless a miracle happens, or you go full "Convert or die, infidel!", which isn't exactly the best strategy from a spiritual or PR point-of-view.

7d2cec  No.788168


Hi sisters and brothers

there's just simply too much info and i need to study something useful so i can find a job.

who cares if indians worship cows

love you sisters/brothers


7d2cec  No.788169

if they stop living on curry alone it would make me very happy


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6c7d3d  No.786982[Reply]

And why is anti-natalism being pushed so hard by media and pop culture?

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9fe926  No.787219


>pen0r in vegana

That is hardly an effective counter, since contraception is so ubiquitous nowadays.

d65a60  No.787257


Heaven and hell are the same place but experienced differently by different kinds of people. If you accept God freely you will not be in eternal anguish. God the father wants to save man.

16dfd2  No.787274


As opposed to the Son and Holy Spirit right?

d65a60  No.787278


Our father, who art in heaven, hallow be thy name.

24d1bb  No.788138


not american. Why are boomers bad?


just a global plan for population control.

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57a196  No.788069[Reply]

The text of the image is in French, I will try to translate it for you

I. The Messiah has the proper name of God (YHWH) according to the Hebrew Bible

For in Jeremiah we see that the Messiah will be called Yahweh our righteousness:

Jeremiah 23:5-6 "Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will raise up a righteous seed for David; he shall reign as king and prosper, and shall do justice and equity in the land. In his time Judah shall be saved, Israel shall have security in his house; and this is the name of it: The Lord[yahweh in the original Hebrew] our justice."

This is confirmed by the rabbinic texts:

-The midrash on the Psalms

(The midrash discounts on the psalms, volume 3, Maurice Mergui. Chapter 21)

- The Zohar

(Le Zohar, genesis, volume 1- preliminary, Beréchit, Noah, Lekh lekha. Verdier Edition p. 466[93b-94a])

-The Midrash on the lamentations

(Le Midrash Rabba sur les lamentations, Maurice Mergui, 1999. On chapter 1 verse 16)

- The Talmud https://www.sefaria.org/Bava_Batra.75a-75b?lang=bi

As well as the Pirkei Mashiach of the Midrashei Ge-ulah, the Maharsha on the Nedarim 39b treaty, Ephraim Urbach:[Scans here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pD9rHwihxM [16:05-21:40] ]

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57a196  No.788076

- Genesis 22:14: "At this place Abraham gave the name of the LORD will see, so that it is said today: On the mountain, the LORD will see. »

In rabbinic tradition, many wrote that in reality, the place was called only "will see".

- Isaac ben Yehudah Halevi (1075-1141) in his Pa'neah Raza:

"The Lord will see." The place is calledverra (yir'e) and is also called Shalem, and therefore inJerusalem the two are put together''

Van der Heide A.. A Theological Commentary to the Midrash: Genesis Rabbah, University Press of America, 2001, p.154

- Jacob of Vienna (between the 14th and 15th centuries) in his Peshat im u-Ferushim:" "The Lord will see". It is calledwill see (yir'e) and is also called Peace (shalom): Jerusalem, with the numerical value ofthey will see peace (yir'u shalom)'.

Ibid, p156

- The anonymous commentary Tosefot ha-Rosh:" "And Abraham called the name of this place, the-lord will see". And king David called it Jerusalem, and Melchizedek called it Salem. And if you ask why David did not call him as Abraham and Melchizedek did, the answer is: David combined the two names: Yir'e ('He will see') with Alef and hey (which amounts to) the value of waw and becomes Yeru-Shalem, in a word: Jerusalem "Jerusalem

Ibid, p.157

- The Tosefot Da'at Zeqenim (13th century):"" And he called the name of the place, etc. ». It is Mount Moriah because by fear (yir'a), it has become a mountain. At first it was a valley, but suddenly it became a high, steep and exalted mountain. Because at first his name was Salem (Shalem), as they say:Melchizedek, king of Salem (Gen. 14:18) and Abraham called himwill see (yir'e), we now call Jerusalem (Yeru-shalem), which combines the meanings ofwill and Salem'.

Ibid, p.149

The Tosafist Eleazar ben Judah ben Kalonymus (1176-1238) commented Genesis 22:14 in his book Perush ha-Roqeah, explains that the name of Yahweh here refers to the name of the prophetPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

57a196  No.788077


165167  No.788079

(((Rabbinic Texts)))

What's your point?

57a196  No.788080


Demolish the rabbis' lies and demonstrate that Jesus is the Messiah according to the true Hebrew tradition

ab7ed4  No.788090


Thanks for posting this, brother

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12fde4  No.782600[Reply]

Who were the most autistic Christian figures, be it in the Bible or outside of it

Not completely in the insulting way, but one that displays very odd behavior and even ones that are symptoms of autism

Ex: Martin Luther

>constantly thought sexual images of Satan (more of an OCD thing)

>played with his own literal shit (a trait of autism)

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e7464d  No.788039


History, tradition. St. Peter's execution (along with St. Paul's) in Rome is a matter of fact, it only gets disregarded or refuted by those with an axe to grind against the Catholic Church.

caa42e  No.788048


so not the bible then huh

Do you see how the Roman tradition stands to gain from such a claim?

e7464d  No.788049


>so not the bible then huh

the only death the Bible covers is St. Stephen, that's not a really rational judgement on your part.

I could say America isn't in the Bible, thus America doesn't exist! or any other number of silly things

caa42e  No.788051


The claim of the last guy was " way to no (sic) even read the Bible you worship so much."

e7464d  No.788055


you shouldn't pay so much attention to someone flinging reviling banter, but the point still stands, St. Peter really did get executed in Rome.

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179b8d  No.787009[Reply]

I know lust is a sin, but however I don't understand why masturbating to porn is looked down by God.

I'm looking for a serious explanation.

I'm just ignorant on the bible and would love a serious explanation on why lust and porn is a sin.

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db3f62  No.787590


Fapping doesn't make you happy. It makes you apathetic, tired, uninspired and depressed. It also makes you feel condemned of course.

5c2648  No.787593


This. The rosary kills everything in me too. It doenst make me "sterile" or lose my libido and natural attraction of course, but it keeps me away from sin.

8c7e75  No.787680


I heard them trying to defame nofap like crazy

53bcc5  No.787701


Lmao, I remember that. (((They))) were all like:

>its totally healthly to fap guis

>only ebil fashists do NoFap guis

>liking incest **rn is totally natural and not a forces trend guis

71590b  No.787854


Aquinas says wet dreams are not sinful, even if they are brought on by erotic dreams, as they happen when a man is robbed of reason. However, they may be caused by sinful actions. If you're having wet dreams because you're looking at porn and having sexual fantasies, that is bad, but it will occasionally happen, regardless.

If you're trying to go on nofap, consider it progress. You consciously refrained from fapping for so long that your body had to sneak one in on you while you slept.

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e374ca  No.787587[Reply]

Are Easter eggs and the Easter bunny pagan?

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38e4d3  No.787714


Whatever makes you think your church isn't a desolate wasteland, man.

559e6a  No.787716


You can thank Martin "Jesus fornicated with Mary Magdalene" Luther for you thinking that.

Not my fault you hate Jesus and His Church.

564d7f  No.787725


How could it be anything but hogwash? It's only called Easter in English. In latin, the language of the Catholic Church until V2, it's Pascha (which in turn derives from aramaic then hebrew pesach for passover)

9039e6  No.787850


Short version:

Easter eggs come from the fact that chickens lay eggs over Lent, but Catholics don't (or at least didn't) eat them until Lent ended…on Easter…when they would have a ton of eggs just laying around.

The Easter bunny has various origin theories, with the most likely one being that hares come out of their holes in spring…around Easter.

Bonus round:

Easter is called Pascha or some variation thereof in every European language except English, so there's no way the word came from 'Ishtar,' a Babylonian goddess whose worship died out centuries before Christ was born (some people are really retarded). Easter is named after Eostre-monath, monath being old English for 'month,' Eostre-monath being the month Easter was in. Eostre being a goddess is nothing but a guess made by a monk in the 9th(?) century.

Also, Halloween isn't pagan. Pretty much everything people peg on the pagans is from medieval Catholicism (except Jack-o-Lanterns).

Most of the idiocy of Christian holidays being pagan comes from anti-Catholic pamphlet written by an American Protestant in 19th century America (as an American Protestant, I disavow) in an effort to have the Catholic calendar purged.

cd5096  No.787852


That’s actually interesting, I knew about the eggs but not the bunny stuff

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465a3d  No.787595


"For neither does any of us set himself up as a bishop of bishops, nor by tyrannical terror does any compel his colleague to the necessity of obedience; since every bishop, according to the allowance of his liberty and power, has his own proper right of judgment, and can no more be judged by another than he himself can judge another" - St Cyprian at the Council of Carthage

89f509  No.787736


"Whoever calls himself universal bishop, or desires this title, is, by his pride, the precursor to the Antichrist."

>t. Pope St. Gregory the Great

12f8af  No.787829


So you didn't read the link you responded to I gather. The point was that the entire concept of an earthly primacy existing in the church makes no sense, and was only put forward to justify a new interpretation of the universal church that Romans (like Cyprian) were advocating for political reasons. Prior to this politically motivated interpretation of the church, there was no such concept as primacy, period. Nevermind the primacy of Peter (who just so happened to be a convenient figure to fill the new theoretical role this church interpretation required), nor the Papacy. The way the office of the papacy historically originated is literally backwards from how Catholics argue to justify it.

67b2d1  No.787839


>but why should we believe that Augustine was in error and Cyprian was not?

who said he wasn't? You're literally just seeing what you want to see at this point, because neither my comment, nor the link you responded to (which you clearly didn't read) defended anything Cyprian said. Once again, the entire concept of the primacy was devised with the explicit purpose of granting Rome more power.

0ac061  No.787840


The title of "Pope" might've been around for a while, but the powers that come with the office of the Papacy are certainly a much more recent creation:


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