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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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8ddb93  No.822105[Reply]

Where in the Bible does it say we should venerate and worship Mary?

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38b2c3  No.822231

>>822136

Pretty much. Most Catholics will fall into the trap of saying scripture is mistranslated instead of breaking it down and saying take all our doctrine away and Mary’s faith and dedication to the Lord and Jesus appears to surpass even the Apostles to the point she might have been able to walk on the water if Jesus asked.

This is also the Catholic basis for her having nearly all the Graces and no stain of Original Sin because that level of Faith is Super Natural and only a select few prophets in the OT were at that level.


6e8b71  No.822253

>>822105

Where in the Bible does it say you should make a thread without lurking for 2 years first?


d8bd6b  No.822302

>>822300

That's not very nice anon


37412d  No.822329

>>822105

reminder that if the Catholic Church that made the Bible is corrupt then all other denominations are memes and all use a corrupted book


579ff3  No.822368

>>822253

This tbh




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83485d  No.822285[Reply]

Is there a way to have a girl tested by a doctor to ensure she is a virgin? I am staunch about marrying a virgin and I don't want lying to factor in.

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b54804  No.822335

>>822285

Anyone who has masturbated is not a virgin, stop expecting others to have what you dont.


699f53  No.822346

>>822335

Unchaste =/= non-virgin. Stop being wrong.


2332a7  No.822353

>>822314

>butt slut

what amazingly stupid times in which we live


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4e967b  No.822358

>>822335

>Anyone who has masturbated is not a virgin

not how that works

that's not how that works




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391693  No.822014[Reply]

I've been thinking a lot about hermeneutics recently and I came to the conclusion that the problem I'm about to present poses some difficulty. The gist of the argument is this:

(1) Every instance of interpretation (i.e. textual linguistic understanding) is untrue if it fails to grasp the author's intention.

(2) Every instance of a dogmatic proclamation with biblical verses invoked in its defence is an instance of interpretation.

(3) Every instance of a dogmatic proclamation with biblical verses invoked in its defence is untrue if it fails to grasp the author's (of the verses in quesion) intention.

How do we know we possess the original intention of the author?

>inb4 the Church informs us of the true meaning

This answer has two problems. For one, it introduces a circular chain of reasoning and it also doesn't solve the problem because the Church has not made dogmatic proclamations on the meaning of every single chapter in the Holy Scriptures. Only a select few verses have been infallibly interpreted. As for the circularity problem, think about it. Where does the Church's (or even the Pope's) authority come from? The Apostles spoken of in the Bible and Christ's sayings.

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13fe39  No.822320

HERMENEUTICAL POISON IN MODERN CHURCHES

The modernist poison is all over the place, regardless of the particular stream of Church tradition in which you find yourself.

The most abuse (that I have encountered IRL and online) is "THE CULTURAL CONTEXT" interpretation. Also abused by more intelligent-sounding exegetes as "Historical-Grammatical Approach" to the text. See your comment re: "Author's original intent".

Yes, historical-grammatical approach is important to protect against fanciful interpretaions, but here's what to watch out for:

ANY "CULTURAL CONTEXT" EXPLANATION WHICH MINIMIZES THE AUTHORITY AND APPLICATION OF THE TEXT, AND ATTEMPTS TO ISOLATE ITS AUTHORITY SOMEHOW, IS TO BE REGARDED AS DANGEROUS.

This is most commonly abused in regard to:

Biblical sexuality, or

the use and application of Biblical law,

or: merely against direct Scriptural commands/exhortations that make us unfomfortable.

SIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE:

Pastor, priest, teacher gives a one-hour "historical background" sermon on the background of the text.

Lots of brilliant original-language vocab, grammar observations, and historical detail observations.

Refuses to apply it, to exhort or rebuke congregation.

Says "but that was given to a people living in a patriarchal time and cultural context".

Redirects to false historiography of the Church as a "change agent" making the world more egalitarian over time.

"Now that I've used historical-grammatical sophistry to make you feel sophisticated,

used an avoidance of application to make you feel safe,

and used a false historiography to help you perform your weekly virtue-signalling,

LET US PRAY AND DEPART."


13fe39  No.822321

Some guidelines:

There are as many VALID "interpretions" as there are hearers of the Word. Everyone can read "rock" in the Psalms and correctly imagine a different rock.

There are as many INVALID "interpretations" as there are hearers of the Word. Everyone can read "rock" in the Psalms and improperly imagine a different vision of flowing lava.

The Holy Spirit is giving us patterns in the Word. If interpretation and application MAXIMIZE the authority of the Word, they're generally good.

If interpretation and application MINIMIZE AND ISOLATE the authority of the Word, they're generally bad.

If interpretation multiplies and expands the Biblical pattern, it's good and valid. If it minimizes and contradicts the Biblical pattern, it's bad.

Bad hermeneutic:

Pastor John Macarthur's book on the parables of Jesus. He says there's only one main meaning that needs to be found in each parable.

BAD INTERPRETATON. Minimizes meaning and application. Might get a central lesson of each parable correct, but otherwise kills the text.

Good hermeneutic:

"Deep Exegesis" by Peter Leithart. GET THIS BOOK! He shows how every passage of Scripture has potentially EIGHT layers of meaning. We will probably find even more as the Church grows throughout history. Yes, grammatico/historical (properly applied), but ALSO: poetic, metaphorical, typological, eschatological, etc.


84db3e  No.822322

>>822017

If Luther was here he would deny the supernatural aspects of faith and try to edit the Bible more because his revolution failed in the end. Sadly Luther is probably in hell because the Priest failed to give him the Sacraments in time. If only he had grace or something.

Luther was an edgelord and fedora tipper. Who would have been an atheist if the Lords of Germany wouldn’t have slaughtered him for it.


13fe39  No.822325

THE WORD IS LIVING AND ACTIVE, NOT A FROZEN CORPSE WE CAN DISSECT.

The meaning of Scripture DOES change and expand over time, as long as it is IN ACCORD with the Spirit's prior revelation to us. The meaning changes every time a child hears "rock" in the Psalm, and imagines a rock in their own way, in their own mind's eye.

The meaning of Scripture also expands and changes EVERY TIME THE SCRIPTURE IS FAITHFULLY TRANSLATED INTO A NEW LANGUAGE.

And every time a church member genuinely receives a gift of tongues from the Spirit.

Is this risky because of possible misinterpetation? Sure. It's also awesome.

This was the meaning of God's destruction of Babel, and His reversal of Babel at Pentecost.

Every faithful translation expands Scriptural meaning because every language carries different interrelationships and connotations between its vocabulary, and even between its source alphabetic characters.

We lose a sense of the MAGIC of language and of God's revelation to us through this magic medium, by our lifelong familiarity with it.

But it IS magic. If you want an incredible dose of inspiration on this topic, check out "The Kingdom of Speech" by Tom Wolfe, the last book he wrote before he died. Even our fallen human language is a divine creation….real magic embedded in biological organisms…the various tongues could not have "evolved."

As cultures decay, and their languages become corrupt, there arises the need for new FAITHFUL translations from the original sources.

This is not a plan of Satan to block us from understanding the original Hebrew and Greek, it is part of Yahweh's plan, which he hid at Babel, so that He could reveal more of his glory and greater understanding of His word over time, as the gospel goes out to the nations of different tongues.


13fe39  No.822327

>>822017

"If Luther was here he would deny the supernatural aspects of faith and try to edit the Bible more because his revolution failed in the end…"

Ha!!! Got me laughing out loud on that one. That's just the sort of ballistic statement Luther would have made. Actually, its important that we not caricature the fathers of each others' traditions. Reading primary sources, or inquiring of those who have read them, with a genuine eye to seeking truth, is important. Luther would actually affirm all supernatural acts of God. He wrote and preached about the need to preach the word of God outdoors because it kept the demons from infecting the crops.

On the other hand, he did think Zwingli had gone too far without "discerning the spirits", and that many RC reliquaries were just a tourist business. Nice

try, though. I enjoy a ridiculous, historically distorted, straw man caricature as much as the next Anon.




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92a111  No.821743[Reply]

They have worked things out so gays are in schools now. They cannot ban homosexual teachers or students from any school. I have two boys and I don't want them being taught by men who defy the Lord's direct orders and are destined for Hell.

what can I even do anymore to stop this?

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ee0cb3  No.822168

>>822166

Sorry. Should have thought about putting up a polite sage first.


45c9e8  No.822173

>>822071

I don't think you know anything about the community if you're saying this. The non-inappropriate homosexuals wouldn't try to force themselves into holding positions of power in a Catholic school to begin with. Th

>>821743

Do your kids have a choice between picking the homosexual and non-homosexual ones?

>>822072

it is oppressive because the majority of them are vindictive activsts who sic their cronies onto others.


90f0d8  No.822257

Any person teaching children should have their sexual history vetted by a professional body


fae510  No.822269

>>822173

> The non-inappropriate homosexuals wouldn't try to force themselves into holding positions of power in a Catholic school to begin with.

Op said nothing about his kids going to a Catholic school. And nowadays, with the pope saying about how it’s okay to be gay, I wouldn’t be surprised if a non pedophile gay priest tried to get into a school like that

> I don't think you know anything about the community if you're saying this

I’ve been on this board for almost a year now. I know how things work and how people think; I just go against the current of I disagree with it


edc532  No.822308

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>>822269

>pope saying about how it’s okay to be gay

Having homosexual temptations isn't any more sinful than having any other temptations, but doing what they are tempted to do is indeed a sin, and Francis never said otherwise.

>Today there is a world war to destroy marriage. Today there are ideological colonisations which destroy, not with weapons, but with ideas. Therefore, there is a need to defend ourselves from ideological colonisations.




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038193  No.821556[Reply]

Mark 10:17-18

As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

How do you Christians interpret this passage, why isn't Jesus Good, if he is God?

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a7f47a  No.821607

was Jesus good?

yes?

well He must be God then, huh?


694d0a  No.822043

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4aa816  No.822096

>Only God is good. You're calling me good. You don't know it but you're acknowledging I'm God.


928857  No.822098

>>821556

Human element


594bf3  No.822296

>>821556

how do you interpret that passage when the quran says Jesus is sinless?




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a34d60  No.821845[Reply]

I'm interested in knowing what the Blasphemies against the Holy Spirit are in Orthodoxy (NOT Catholicism and NOT Protestantism). Would anyone help me? The google search led to vague answers. I need something concrete.

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a34d60  No.821995

>>821947

>BEGOME GADOLIC!

>>821947

I actually was baptized as an Ordodox, grew up Gadolic and now reside without a church.


5fa511  No.822022

>>821995

Today is always a great day to Come Home to Rome, anon


124f2c  No.822026

Don't listen to this troll >>821855

>>821939

>According to the Catholics I've committed several Eternal sins

What? I think you are being misled. What do they claim you committed?


a34d60  No.822291

>>822022

I almost want to for that rhyme

.


a34d60  No.822292

>>822026

Impugning the known truth (to argue against known points of faith,




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7707f4  No.822262[Reply]

What can we do about this? This video was made in 2008 (the user just uploaded in 2019). If in 2008 the situation was like this, how about now? Will Europe just be eaten up by Islamic invaders? Will eventual collapse take place?

22f520  No.822277

>>822262

Muslim states cannot sustain itself without outside aid and reigns under absolute terror. People will save whatever remains and fled elsewhere that is non-muslim and when the world saw what happened, they will no longer be welcomed. In a generation it will either devour upon itself or resume its conquest by force which the nations that remain will be ready at arms.


6bfc5f  No.822282

>>822262

If you won't go to the mission field, the mission field will come to you. Convert them.




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290f71  No.821894[Reply]

As life goes on, and I get older, and I stay committed to Christ, and seek first the Kingdom of God, and not worldly things, and am judged as a failure by the yuppie WASPs and Jews I grew up with, then my ego will disintegrate, I will have to cope harder, and my faith in God will only strengthen.

>this is literally where I’m at

>foolproof algorithm for an ever-amplifying inner peace

290f71  No.821898

Let your only demon be the one who says “time wasted devoted to Christ is a sunk cost and a rational actor doesn’t fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy,” and rebuke him soundly.


d80fc0  No.822149

>>821894

Honestly it's a paradox. For myself, the discipline of being a Christian and living simply means I've got a lot of disposable income. Don't let that become another matter of ego either. Good advice anyway anon.


c2afbe  No.822150

>>821894

Amen fellow Christanon. Are you Catholic? If not then you should be or all your effort will be in vain if you aren't part of His Church.


c12be0  No.822157

>>822150

Do you have to be so predatory?




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f73ada  No.822140[Reply]

Before I feared the end of the Universe. Before I was fearful of the Universe ending due to Schizophrenia. Now I pray for it because I know Jesus will come back and dry my tears. The Bible began with the creation of the Universe with Genesis and Revelations tells the glorious return of Christ and the end of time, or the end of the Universe. One day.

Who else feels this way?

d7d613  No.822151

>>822140

Join the Catholic Church and your priest will sort out everything for you


f73ada  No.822298

>>822151

>>822151

I am a proud Roman Catholic.




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d9883e  No.821540[Reply]

Is being an adrenaline junkie just a figure of speech or is it an actual addiction? I went skydiving for the first. Can’t get enough of it. I started bungee jumping and diving in deep waters.

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389854  No.821844

>>821560

I consume blood all the time when my nose bleeds or I have a cut that's bleeding everywhere. I never felt stimulated from this. Are you sure modern hemophiles aren't just larping? I am not suggesting that pagan and occult rituals are larping, because there is obviously demonic spirits involved.


f9c0a1  No.821860

>>821844

The blood you're consuming isn't full of adrenaline, now is it?


389854  No.821862

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>>821860

I don't know much about biology m8. What turns blood into a stimulant and how would that even be absorbed through the stomach? i can understand a blood transfusion having this affect. Does drinking blood from an aroused person also induce arousal? Does blood from an angry man induce anger? I'm being unironic here


d37e89  No.822146

>>821540

Anything can become a vice or an idol. Put God first (ie, seek first the kingdom), and just don't be a weirdly obsessed sperg about the other stuff.

>>821550

He's not practicing vampirism anon, I'm not sure why that would even be relevant.


d37e89  No.822148

>>821862

Adrenechrome is a drug that was more or less a conspiracy theory for a long time, but like so many others is pretty much just another unpleasant reality. DYOR of course - but basically, it's rumoured to have life-extension & nootropic properties (apart from the high). But it's harvested from the adrenal glands of a living human, with greater potency from that human being tortured. It's partly where many legends of things like Vampires come from (probably).

Sage for off topic discussion of an occult topic on /christian/.




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8749f4  No.806210[Reply]

Eastern Orthodoxy ALLOWS female deacons(!) This is ridiculous. All the Holy Orders should be for men only - the deaconesses in the early Church were not sacramental deacons. How can you allow this? You know the Ameridox will use this in the argument for female ordination.

In fact, American Orthodoxy is like how mainline Protestantism was ~20 years ago, before they went totally crazy. They oppose the death penalty and some have made the argument that women should be priests, I've even seen someone claim that adelphopoiesis means that homosexual marriage should be allowed.

And, sadly, like pretty much every other denomination (and, religion in general) you have bent on the issue of divorce and contraception.

Just because Boomers haven't subverted your mass, don't think you are safe…

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2d7ad3  No.815173

>>806210

This is fake news. The Greek church or OCA =/= all of Orthodoxy. That's not how logic works.

>>806220

None of these things are allowed in the Serbian or Russian church, so you've strawmanned most of Orthodoxy right there already.

>reject ancient icon style for "realistic art"

>reject church fathers for modern papal infallibility doctrine

>add filioque to the creed

>Francis

>allows divorce, remarriage, contraception, abortion, and voting for non-monarchists, and uncovered women's hair in the house of God


de8e5a  No.815176

>>815173

>>806220 is obviously a joke post, dummy.


cd09d1  No.815195

>>815169

so basically, its just a cope

got it.


1b8d3e  No.822120

Orthoprots: Monarchy is the only divinely ordained form of government, Holy Russia will have another Czar!

Orthoprots: Jesus Christ founded this weird Westphalian balance of power democracy of bishops who can't agree on anything and constantly excommunicate each other.


d2e50c  No.822141

>>806210

lmao this is Mick right? Don't you have anything better to do?




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e3aac4  No.822131[Reply]

Christianity is known to be the fullness of the truth, what other philosophies and religions come close? Some pagan philosophers like Aristotle were/are heavily used be Christians to augment their own ideas, what others are out there who come close to hitting the mark?

2f265f  No.822132

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>>822131

Taoism at its purest conception came the closest afaik before it mutated, branched, and twisted into occultism, esotery, and nowadays neo-hippy and new-age. Tao literally means 'the way'.




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53ecb5  No.822115[Reply]

>Orthodox follow the canons of Saint Basil on divorc-

c4b943  No.822117

Yes obviously, jesus never said not to rape or murder but he said divorce would land you in hell, it's pretty clear

Almost all chruches in the USA let these people stay in the chruch now. The catholics give out tens of thousands of annulments every year, I know a woman who was married 10 years and had 2 kids with a guy and slept with in the same bed with him every night and the catholic church gave her an annulment and said she had never been married so she could get married again and keep getting the sacraments

abhorrent, they will all pay


5d6073  No.822129

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>>822117

>a woman who was married 10 years and had 2 kids with a guy and slept with in the same bed with him every night and the catholic church gave her an annulment

WHAT IS GOING ON




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a2d73c  No.807325[Reply]

Ancestral Sin, Original Sin, Total Depravity - who gets it right?

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9c5d2f  No.810243

>>810115

>It would be quite bold for a layman to just blatantly assert that nearly the entire church is currently wrong in its understanding of this matter.

Would you prefer it to come from a orthodox priest (Fr Aidan Kimel)? https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/the-ecumenical-stain-of-original-sin/

>Just blatantly assert that nearly the entire church is currently wrong in its understanding of this matter.

neither church is wrong about anything on this matter, just mislead to what catholics actually believe, particularly due to Romanides who concocted this 'heresy' in the 20th century unknown to the Church, never brought up at the council of florence as a contention or 400yrs after Trent where Original Sin was defined.

>might be risking heresy for ignoring the the uniqueness of Mary's birth. Either we acknowledge the problematic consequences of the fall that Rome identified (and consequently, Mary's extraordinary birth), or we don't.

its not risking heresy since, for you it is still a theologumen that has been part of the tradition, even in the west Aquinas argued against the Immaculate conception and and it was up to Duns Scotus to champion it, Pius IX simply put a end to speculation.

We already have the problems of the filioque, papal supremacy, etc. No need to add another thing to the list.


35b70c  No.810382

>>810243

>https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/the-ecumenical-stain-of-original-sin/

<Western rite again… I'm sensing a pattern here

This is a better essay, if only because it doesn't make the same careless mistakes as the first one. However, the same problem of uniqueness still remains unaddressed. The author only touches on it in a response to a comment there:

>So why Mary’s “exception”? I think it has to be because she of her vocation to be the Mother of God. Only she was chosen to be Theotokos–not simply at the Annunciation, as if God got lucky to have found a willing maiden–but from all eternity. Her identity, from the beginning of her conception, is conditioned by this calling.

This is a risky line of reasoning, because it not only diminishes Mary's human nature, but also implicitly Jesus's, which would put us dangerously close to monophysitism, more so than even the Orientals possibly. Mary is sacred to us precisely because she is the fully human mother of God. How could Jesus bless every aspect of our human life by virtue of his experience during his incarnation, if unlike us, he was born to a mother of exceptional nature? This puts the entire orthodox understanding of salvation on shaky ground. Not to mention that it's still not a widely accepted teaching of the church anyway, which would imply we're in heresy for not acknowledging it.

Also, this guy's bio says he's not ministering anymore, and it sounds like he prides himself on being controversial:

https://afkimel.wordpress.com/about/

>One thing for sure. I do not speak for the Orthodox Church. Hence the title of my blog, “Eclectic Orthodoxy.” Not only has my comprehension of the Orthodox faith been strongly influenced by Eastern theologians regarded as suspect by traditional Orthodox, but it continues to be influenced by the WesternPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


35b70c  No.810383

>>810382 (cont)

>neither church is wrong about anything on this matter, just mislead to what catholics actually believe

You say this despite the fact that the issue of the uniqueness of Mary's birth (which is most certainly something catholics widely believe) wasn't even mentioned in the first essay at all. How is that not misleading? Even if it were really a non-issue as you suggest, it's still shady to pretend such a prominent catholic teaching doesn't exist and just shove it under the rug like that. If anyone is misunderstanding anything here, my money is on the guy who also (misleadingly) over-generalized and misapplied a council on calvinism, and then casually argued for an orthodox purgatory.

It's one thing to like and celebrate western traditions, but a whole other thing to let those traditions interfere with teachings. Quite frankly, this all sounds more like a misguided attempt at ecuminism that misses the forest for the trees, than a genuine attempt at clarifying any Orthodox understandings. The misrepresentation of Eastern beliefs to make points also doesn't help, as it just makes things more confused and less nuanced than they were before. And to top it off, this is all presented here with the hubris to suggest it's actually just everyone else that misunderstands Catholics – including Catholics themselves!

>its not risking heresy since, for you it is still a theologumen that has been part of the tradition

What do you mean it's not risking heresy "for you"? Are you not even Orthodox? Regardless, a heresy is a heresy, it doesn't matter who believes it, or why they believe it is/isn't heretical. And to claim something isn't heretical just because there's no official stance on it yet, is equally ridiculous (especially when the implications of a teaching are something as blatant as suggesting that it's ok that we've ignored the possibility that Mary and Jesus could've both been born sinful). Any cursory look at church history would quickly reveal that heresies have pretty much always come before any official statements from the church formally recPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


35b70c  No.810384

>>810383 (cont)

>We already have the problems of the filioque, papal supremacy, etc. No need to add another thing to the list.

Do you really think Orthodox church officials view our differences with Rome as some kind of petty score sheet? It doesn't matter how many differences there are, what matters is outlining which differences we have, so that we can better clarify our own teachings in a world disproportionately populated by catholics and protestants. Saying that "we don't need this one extra difference" is utterly besides the point, because simply ignoring the differences with popular understandings of original sin among the laity doesn't help illuminate people about the Orthodox church's teachings at all, and is begging for misunderstandings to ensue, thus making this whole endeavor rather counter productive. Unless of course, your main goal in promoting this view is actually some misguided desire for ecumenism instead. Because only from that kind of vantage point could muddying the waters like this be seen as some kind of positive. But ecuminism is a very different beast from evangelism, because it often adds uncertainty and distortion to our message in order to be inclusive, instead helping people understand our message by clarifying it, which can only hurt us in the long run, as unity under confusion is no goal to strive for. Or as St. Theophan the Recluse said about the heterodox:

>Why do you worry about them? They have a Saviour Who desires the salvation of every human being. He will take care of them. You and I should not be burdened with such a concern. Study yourself and your own sins.

Which makes one ask: why is union between "ancestral sin" and "original sin" even an issue in the western rite then? The Orthodox message has never been about its similarities with other religions, but rather on helping people reach salvation through its own teachings alone.


b44180  No.822119

Bump.




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72983c  No.822030[Reply]

Self-flagellation, yea or nay?

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e15790  No.822087

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>>822035

Mortification is a virture which fasting and pennance falls under. Im not so sure about self-flagelation though.

Better to err on the side of caution, OP, and not do something like that.


ffadee  No.822090

>>822030

Ask your spiritual father.


1741a5  No.822095

>>822030

You need to avoid doing it to the point of fetish. Several Saints have done it but it also had to get denounced by the Church because people took it to far.

It is valid but not really recommend unless you are already at a high level of spiritual discipline.


27be74  No.822099

>>822095

As this anon said it is only for the spiritually advanced. If you're not a Religious I would consult your spiritual director first if you are considering it.


c21925  No.822135

>>822030

Heresy




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