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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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7c9470  No.811880[Reply]

Note to mods: If something here is against the rules, please just remove it, I am not trying to do anything to get banned! Thank you!

Hi everyone! So I've been noticing lately that from all the disaffected communities that have sprung up because of the clown world we live in, many of them are quite open to the ultimate truth, the Bread Pill, which is not only the ultimate explanation of why we are in this mess, but also how get out of it. What follows is what I think are the different things that someone has to be awake to:

Yeah, I think we have to convert people basically. There are various stages or things you have to convert people on though, but I think the harvest is white.

Basically the topics I think you have to convert/red pill people on are:

Degeneracy: Start with Trans, then LGB, then Fornication, Pornography, Masturbation, then you can link in Birth Control as the key which caused all of this

Culture/Demographics: Changing demographics leads to instability. The point of a nation is for stability (ideally stability so we can focus on following God instead of nonsense around). Not all cultures are equal. Show people onto the objective superiority of western culture, then show it is a fruit of the Church. For example Michelangelo's sculptures, the Sistene Chapel, Mozart, Vivaldi, would never have been created if Mohammedans took over. Drawings, Sculptures, Music is all forbidden etc. Strong bonds with your family is important, having tradition and history, and so on.

Why did things change so fast, who is doing this?: Start with "the media", "oligarchs", "people in power", move on up to yeah, they all seem to share something in common.

Why do our enemies do this to us?: No it's not Genetic, it's theological. They hate us because the only thing they have in common is the rejection of Christ. They are rebelling against Logos which is Christ, they are obsessed with revolution and proving Christianity wrong by trying to find their own Messiah, because deep down they know they missed the boat but are too pridePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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062062  No.813099

>>812124

>I take it Catholic schools today are pozzed?

Very

http://cathnews.com/cathnews/35122-girls-schools-drop-gendered-language-in-prayer

>Clayfield and Stuartholme are stamping out traditional terms such as Lord, Father and Son.

>Stuartholme School uses gender-neutral language – including the word “Godself’’ in place of “himself’’.

>“As we believe God is neither male or female, Stuartholme tries to use gender-neutral terms in prayers … so that our community deepens their understanding of who God is for them, how God reveals Godself through creation, our relationships with others and the person of Jesus,” a spokeswoman said.

>Students at All Hallows’ make the sign of the cross in the name of “The Creator, Jesus and the Holy Spirit’’, instead of the traditional “Father, Son and Holy Spirit”.

>Loreto College in Coorparoo has stripped the word “Lord” from its prayers, as it is regarded as a “male term”.

>“Loreto, as a leading school for girls, has a commitment to using inclusive language. There are occasions where gendered language may be -appropriate, including references to specific religious and biblical figures,” principal Kim Wickham said.


7a21da  No.813106

>>812143

Most of them are just racists larping as Christian


d3061b  No.813107

A good portion of the memes and aesthetics floating around are actually kind of cringe. Lasting converts will be convinced by solid theological arguments rather than "when you read Aquinas bottom text deus vult" garbage you see floating around tradcath twitter


0fd29e  No.813518

>>813106

>Most of them are just racists larping as Christian

Two years ago I was larping as well.

This year on Pentecost I got baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

God finds a way.


e5d817  No.813559

>>813094

>>813095

>>813096

>You're an idiot who's never read the Bible.

>You're seriously retarded and probably autistic

>Also you're a racist

>YIKES.

>What trash.

Look here folks, "Tradcath" evangelism at it's finest.




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671b6c  No.786869[Reply]

Are there any theological contradictions that make your faith tremble from time to time, /christian/s?

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fa8a74  No.811945

How do people answer the supposed differences in each Gospel's account of the resurrection and the time after? What about the disputed ending of Mark, or the claims that the Gospels were written by someone else about 30 years later?


fa8a74  No.813489

bump


6b8d47  No.813499

>>788564

I think I can half answer this. The Ethiopians do have some Jewish roots. In fact, due to the fact that they have Jewish ancestry they are eligible for citizenship in isreal. But due to the fact that they're black they do experience a lot of discrimination.


f78944  No.813507

>>811945

>How do people answer the supposed differences in each Gospel's account of the resurrection and the time after?

It's literally written by different men, inspired by the same Spirit. The Holy Spirit doesn't work like a fallen angel possessing people.


92eded  No.813673

>>788353

>works won't save me so they won't condemn me either.

oh you sweet summer child




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9b1cb8  No.812563[Reply]

How do you feel about their canonizations?

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ab28a8  No.813250

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>>812563

Liturgical abuse, new rite of ordination nullifying the sacraments, interreligious dialogue with antichrist religions of the world.

first in the revolution was doctrine and dogma. Second in the revolution from the top was morality as we now see with pope francis; divorced and remarried partaking of the eucharist, anyone?

Six years into this pontificate and I'm guessing another six are to come as pope francis is healthy and active.


484f21  No.813435

>>812731

Official Papal Canonizations are infallible. If you're truly uncomfortable with it, check yourself.

>>812772

There's nothing controversial about Paul VI outside of complete libel from Jewish newspapers.

>>813250

Get in the Ark before you drown.


2d1874  No.813475

>>813435

Nothing controversial about the Novus Ordo? Are you serious? I assume you are some dumb boomer who has completely drunk the kool-aid.


8c6022  No.813481

>>813475

And I assume you're a ani socail 25 year old man who can't seem to differentiate Theology with traditionalism. Doesn't feel nice to be called out huh? We Catholics are bound by duty towards tge Church which contains the Holy Spirit. If yoy reject this, you reject God himself. Don't get me wrong, I prefer a traditionalist Church. But don't call yourself a traditionalist while rejecting the traditional standpoint of obligation to the Lords Church.


484f21  No.813504

>>813475

>Nothing controversial about the Novus Ordo?

You're changing the topic, we're talking about Paul VI. The man is a Pope-Saint, show some respect.

>>813481

To follow up what you're saying, brother, to reject the last 3-4 Popes it more or less to admit you're not in the Catholic Church.




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ad75d6  No.808810[Reply]

>only now people realize the dumpster fire that got really is

TOLKIEN WINS ONCE AGAIN,

CHRISTIAN FANTASY REMAINS UNDEFEATED

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9b88fa  No.809781

>>809745

Talking about GOT? I didn't watch it either, but the impression I got was that the ending was boring and anti-climatic.


1c4f88  No.809852

>>809781

GOT status: Ryan Johnson’d.

Subversion of expectations’d.

What a twist’d.


cc532c  No.809877

>>809745

Long story short since the creators ran out of book material for the show, since George hasn't finished the series yet, they had to come up with endings of their own. Now, one of the creators of the show directed Wolverine: Origins, and we all know how that turned out. In any case, the show ended very anticlimactically, and most, if not all, of the character arcs were ruined, to "subvert" our expectations. An enemy that was hyped up for 7 seasons died in a single episode, and didn't even put up a fight - he was stabbed in the back. So yeah, basically utter trash.


336d26  No.813421

>>809193

>He even takes the idealized Prince Charming and turns him into a onehanded incestuous freak too. He creates sympathy not through innocence, but how much you feel sorry for these people (in Jaime's case, he starts off making people hate him.. then eventually punishes him and everyone sees his human side)

>>809202

> he likes to prop up freaks for their own sake. Not brave men who risked their lives and often paid a high cost for it. Martin may be an old fart, but he's still part of the current SJW culture that hates typical male responsibility and heroism (which is no fantasy and actually based in reality). He makes it very clear by cutting off Ned Stark's head almost right away. And if people didn't get the message, he kills Rob too. He then villainizes others (Jaime and his dad and Stannis) or makes them incredibly foolish (the older Baratheon, the Dothraki who gets done in by a witch, or the Spaniard dude who got his head caved in)

Well I think is pretty obvious at this point, that GOT was always meant to be a deconstructionist postmodern-tier story not much different from your watchmen's and evangelion's


712cff  No.813454

>>809877

>>809745

>Long story short since the creators ran out of book material for the show, since George hasn't finished the series yet, they had to come up with endings of their own.

The ending was always set in stone.

Problem is, the show writers were in talks to get hitched by Disney to direct Star Wars or something, so they wanted to finish it fast, despite HBO and GRRM going "listen, the franchise is a cash show. We will give you multiple seasons, and a ton of money, to flesh it out properly".

But because the writers had exclusive rights, or some other legal bullshit, they were like "nope, we are doing the last season on fast forward".

Or something like that, anyway.

The rough storyline of the last season, if they did it properly and over a longer showtime, could have been a really good way to finish the story.




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cc82fd  No.812417[Reply]

Hello. I am reading the Greek OT (LXX) and I started out with the Psalms. I noticed that a lot of places are different from the Hebrew English translations. It's not major differences but they're noticeable. For example, Psalm 2:6 reads:

>᾿Εγὼ δὲ κατεστάθην βασιλεὺς ὑπ᾽ αὐτοῦ

ἐπὶ Σιων ὄρος τὸ ἅγιον αὐτοῦ

"And I was appointed king by him, on Zion his holy mountain."

Whereas in all the other English translations I have that are apparently from the Hebrew it reads:

>“As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my holy hill.” (ESV)

Now I have read that the Hebrew text is different in many places from the Greek text. Why exactly is this? I know the New Testament quotes from the LXX a lot. But this has me concerned because it seems like maybe the LXX mistranslated a lot or was a paraphrased translation?

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3aa0a1  No.812912

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>>812909

somebody once told me that if you can't explain something to child, it's worthless I don't know is he right because things are complicated but I got his point


11568d  No.812922

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>>812910

>Aramaic is Hebrew


a9a6b1  No.812930

>>812922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnaic_Hebrew

That's what the talmud and targums are written in, not Biblical Aramaic as found in the Gospels or of Syriac-aramaic as found in Daniel, Ezra and so on. When you say the targums are "written in aramaic" you're calling Mishnaic Hebrew as aramaic, but that's incorrect. It's a different language with different definitions.


be3376  No.813386

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>>812417

>>812768

- similar to ESV:

>King James Version (1611)

>Yet haue I set my King vpon my holy hill of Sion.

- good one:

>Douay-Rheims Bible

>But I am appointed king by him over Sion, his holy mountain, preaching his commandment.

- good one too:

>Brenton Translaton of the Septuagint (LXX)

>But I have been made king by him on Sion his holy mountain,


06cd5e  No.813447

>>812417

>>813386

The two texts of it in the DSS read as the MT does also.

http://dssenglishbible.com/scroll3Q2.htm

http://dssenglishbible.com/scroll11Q7.htm

So the dividing line is whether the verse is citing the narration of God himself or if it's of another person who is claiming to have been made king, i.e. David.

The verse which comes afterward is referenced in the NT a number of times and is the basis for a liturgical chant, Dominus Dixit ad Me.

The thing with the history of the Vulgate however is that it's been edited to agree with the Old Latin readings and the Church Fathers and then between Hebrew and Greek throughout the years. Not sure what that might imply for the verse in question though.




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a40329  No.811519[Reply]

Any good arguments against atheism?

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fe4aea  No.813209

>>811519

Natural law as presented in the Bible correlates perfectly with science i.e. women who commit adultery have less stable marriages.

That and I haven't seen an atheist find a single error in the Bible, if this book wasn't inspired by God then why is it perfect despite being written over several thousand years by several different authors?


3489f5  No.813223

Look at any building, and you know that it has a builder. You can't see him, hear him, touch him, smell him, or taste him but you know that he exists. Look at a painting, and you know it has a painter. Therefore, creation must have a creator, it's just far too ordered to be an accident. Just as a book doesn't write itself with coherent sentences falling into place with proper syntax and grammar and punctuation, page numbers, pictures, a table of contents, etc. Your genetic code, your DNA, is coded information that tells your body how tall to be, what color your eyes and hair will be, the lengths of your limbs, everything that makes you unique. There is no way that atheism can be correct.


290d90  No.813229

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

https://www.staugustine.net/our-books/books/the-last-superstition/

Check this out, it doubles as a basic introduction to philosophy because literally knowing any philosophy totally refutes athiesm. They are just incoherent hecklers who hate their dads.

He also has some great blogposts on the subject

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2011/07/so-you-think-you-understand.html

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2011/02/can-we-make-sense-of-world.html

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/07/cosmological-argument-roundup.html


5084f0  No.813279

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>>811626

>No one in their right mind will deny the reality of the world or that they're individuals with free will

Great post until you tried to slip free will in there. I don't understand how it follows that free will must exist simply because you can observe yourself.

>that they have something akin to a soul

Another non-sequitur. Even if free will does exist why do you need a soul in order for it to be so? I understand that Christianity hinges on freely choosing to follow Christ, and you seem to be doing bad philosophy by chaining assumptions together without proving them in order to satisfy the requirements of Christianity being true.

>To actually live by that means you loose your sense of agency

No it doesn't: knowing the neurological basis for hunger doesn't mean I lose my sense of hunger; knowing how an optical illusion works doesn't stop my brain from misinterpreting visual information wrongly.

>that's no fun

Reality does not hinge on what you personally find fun. This is just shit philosophy. I notice a lot of theists (someone mentioned CS Lewis, who does this often) continually try to appear to make logical arguments while sprinkling in appeals to emotion as filler, hoping no one will notice the inconsistencies if you claim the reader is not "sane" or "in their right mind" for not accepting your arguments. If you can prove God exists in a philosophically consistent manner then you shouldn't need to do this. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of your post(s) because it's just more of the same. You're not actually trying to prove anything, but simply implying all other arguments but yours are wrong because they're "stupid", not because you've proven them to be wrong.

>>811667

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e7afa1  No.813374

>>813279

>I don't understand how it follows that free will must exist simply because you can observe yourself.

You experience free will so it exists. Claiming it doesn't is just as asinine as claiming your consciousness doesn't exist. You can't claim that the thing which is experiencing is being tricked by an illusion, consciousness must exist in the first place if it is to be "tricked".

>Even if free will does exist why do you need a soul in order for it to be so?

In Christian theology the soul is synonymous with the consciousness of the individual. You know that you're a sapient being thus you have a soul, the soul is the thing that allows you to experience phenomenal consciousness and not simply be a meat puppet guided by pure neuronal logic gates.

>knowing the neurological basis for hunger doesn't mean I lose my sense of hunger

Acting on hunger is the exact opposite of agency. That's devolving down to a more animalistic state and acting based on biological impulses. Acting according to the will is what gives you agency, the ability to deny bodily urges and act according to the rational mind.

>This is just shit philosophy. I notice a lot of theists (someone mentioned CS Lewis, who does this often) continually try to appear to make logical arguments while sprinkling in appeals to emotion as filler, hoping no one will notice the inconsistencies if you claim the reader is not "sane" or "in their right mind" for not accepting your arguments

The argument from reason isn't an appeal to emotion. It's a simple fact that if you believe you are the result of nothing more than biological impulses that you have no reason to believe anything is truth at all. Under a naturalistic view of the world it's just as likely you evolved in a way that precludes you from ever finding the true nature of reality through sensory information because you interpret the world in a fundamentally incorrect way. Theism is the only philosophy that allows for the possibility of objective knowledge.

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081e7b  No.809858[Reply]

What do you think about the shortage of eligible men in the church?

>I can talk to any young woman in my social circle and they will, one and all, say the same thing: there just aren’t any men. What we mean by this is there is a frightening scarcity of men aged 25-35 who are church-going, single and worldly-wise.

>Most men I meet have two out of three of these qualities, with the latter often lacking. If they’re single church-goers, they’re usually awkward and in want of basic social awareness (a big turn-off for most women). If they’re more worldly, they’re generally not single or not religious. Even if they’re not religious, most young Australian men hold views and values that are left of centre and utterly opposed to our own.

https://www.catholicweekly.com.au/for-want-of-a-lot-of-good-men/

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38af2e  No.812875

>>812726

Do you have many Asian catholics in Australia?


dab13b  No.812883

>>812875

Yes, there is quite a few filipino catholics in cities and suburban areas here.


b3ef02  No.813012

>>812291

There are women who pick up negroes on mission trips to Africa.


772aed  No.813131

>>812700

And there are very few good men.


dff717  No.813230

>>809858

My church is predominantly male. Once guys get old enough to date, they find a woman and drag her to our church with them.

Women want to be spiritual without giving up comfort. They have to be pushed by men to give up comfort; men need the women to keep a bit of perspective on the present - so they don't make life unlivable in the here and now (men can go so ascetic that they break themselves).

Point being, women don't seek out the same kind of churches that attract men. And, because of the cultural collapse, most people don't have their parents church to attend.

I strongly suggest women start looking into male-run churches because, if they want strong, Christian men, they aren't going to find them at some wussy female-preacher, being gay is okay church.

Women like our church once they're here but… if they didn't see what kind of men we turned out first, I don't think they'd like our focus in theory. We're not feminist or modern at all. At the same time, we're not the crude men of last generation either - a real man is respectful of women, even if he's also in charge. The leader is the servant, you know?




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6366e9  No.806482[Reply]

Been a Missouri-Synod Lutheran my whole life and i've always disliked the whole dog and pony show of a Sunday service and find it boring. Whether you are Prot are Catholic it always seems like for mos folks it's just a check in the box routine for the soul. This man speaks with vigour and authority. This man doesn't fear to displease the service and tone down gods word for the collection plate. This man preaches AGAINST SIN with the intention to make you feel unconfortable and recognize what is wicked. What is this called and where can I find more of it!?

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db4ec6  No.807353

>>807351

>Sure, the speakers thought they were like those things.

no, but I admit to poking fun at you in error.

>but I'm saying Scripture simply means Scripture. I said when 2 Timothy 3:16 says "all scripture" that is indeed referring to all scripture.

but Scripture was not defined nor canonized when St. Paul wrote it, you are merely begging the question…which is -

what is scripture? the deuterocanon is scripture, Martin Luther had no authority to remove it. since we've gone through this dog-and-pony show a million times we already know how this conversation will play out, anyhow.


e49561  No.807355

>>807353

>you are merely begging the question…which is - what is scripture?

You missed the point of my post, I explained that. Specifically the part where I defined it using the New Testament.

You know, and I'm just saying this generally, but diving into a conversation without even knowing the content of what you just responded to generally makes you look lazy. Because I just answered this in the post that you had quoted.

>no, but I admit to poking fun at you in error.

A lot of the Old and New Testament contains quotes of people who literally said certain things, but that doesn't guarantee every person who is quoted including people such as Satan, is accurate. Only that it's literally what they said.

A famous example of this is the witch in 1 Samuel 28:13. People sometimes quote this unreliable witness as proof of something whereas Samuel was in heaven not in the earth at the time. The witch was lying.


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fc4a3e  No.813084

>>806482

Steven Anderson is the quintessential American figure, and I don't mean that as a compliment. He makes me laugh so much because he's funny but also because American Protestants hardly qualify as Christians and it shows.


0b1aca  No.813212

>>806486

Pastor Shelley and Pastor Berzins have great sermons.




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2c0f7f  No.812473[Reply]

Many of His followers deserted over the assertion that you have to eat His flesh and drink His blood to have life in you. (And when Jesus says "do this n remembrance of me", that's how we know the Apostles are able to transubstantiatiate bread, and this must be passed down to their successors, because people after them would not have life if they don't receive the Eucharist.) But, what does Jesus do? He turns to His apostles and asks them if they shall also leave. What's more? The doctrine of transubstantiation is the doctrine which Judas could not accept! The deceit of Judas was made clear: he was a devil. Saint Paul says that if you receive communion unworthily, you are guilty of the Body and Blood of Christ. If you call yourself a Christian, and don't believe in transubstantiation, you are not one of His followers who left Him, but a Judas.

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da9493  No.812942

>>812479

>>812480

You're both correct friends, Judas was being greedy and foolish with his choices.

>>812478

Is this the power of Protestant exegesis?

You mean common sense?

When Judas killed himself, was he thinking "woe is me who failed to partake in communion"?. No, he was in grief over betraying the one who loved him the most. Peter made the same mistake and it's what drove him to weeping and grief, which led to repentance. Judas on other hand, finding no solace in what he'd done, killed himself. Where's the indication of any of your Catholic heresy in that story?


a3f125  No.813035

>>812942

>No, he was in grief over betraying the one who loved him the most.

It doesn't say this anywhere in the gospels. It just says he felt guilty for causing an innocent man to be put to death. Stop adding to the Bible you reprobate.


4a1a2e  No.813051

I'm a Presbyterian and we don't believe it is just bread and wine. Also, read the whole thing. It actually proves Calvinism.


0b216f  No.813104

>>813051

Presbyterian's view of spiritual presence only is still not the Real Presence as it was always taught and passed down.

Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches see the Mass or Divine Liturgy as a Sacrifice. They can trace their lineage back to Jesus and the Apostles. They have Apostolic Succession and validly ordained Priests. Their Eucharistic views are more consistent with the Early Church Fathers and first 1500 years of Christianity than Protestant Views. That difference in what is meant by Real Presence that still exists from Apostolic Churches is big and I don't know of any other Christians that prostrate themselves before a Consecrated Eucharist.

Malachi 1:11

"For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts."




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347f50  No.810308[Reply]

California confession bill passes state senate

In spite of protests that new legislation would be infringing upon religious liberty, the California state senate has overwhelmingly approved of a bill that would require Catholic priests to break the sacramental seal of confession.

The Senate on Friday voted 30-2 on Senate Bill 360, which would oblige priests to disclose information concerning the sexual abuse of minors that they hear in confession. The legislation now will be taken up by the state assembly.

“I am deeply disappointed with today’s Senate vote on SB 360, said Los Angeles Archbishop José H. Gomez. “I continue to believe we can strengthen mandated reporting laws to protect children’s safety while at the same time preserving the sanctity of penitential communications.”

Donohue predicted that the legislation would be unenforceable. “No priest is going to respect it and violate the sanctity of the confessional,” he said. “Moreover, Catholics are not required to respect unjust laws—and this is a clear example of such a law.”

Confession is sacrosanct, according to Catholic teaching, because it is communication between the penitent and God. According to Church law, a priest is automatically excommunicated if he reveals the contents of a confession.

“In the context of Confession, the priest, we hold, is operating in the very person of Christ, and therefore, the penitent is speaking to and hearing from the Lord himself,” Archbishop Gomez said earlier. “Thus, absolutely nothing ought to stand in the way of a sinner who seeks this font of grace.”

https://aleteia.org/2019/05/25/california-confession-bill-passes-state-senate/

>inb4 prots defend this

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7ef275  No.813050

>>813047

>yes, only jesus can forgive sins.

I told you this is a falsehood. So why is it that you reject the words of the man you proclaim to believe in?


f2c0f8  No.813053

>>813050

>CCC 1441 Only God forgives sins.39 Since he is the Son of God, Jesus says of himself, "The Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" and exercises this divine power: "Your sins are forgiven."40 Further, by virtue of his divine authority he gives this power to men to exercise in his name.41

>CCC 1442 Christ has willed that in her prayer and life and action his whole Church should be the sign and instrument of the forgiveness and reconciliation that he acquired for us at the price of his blood. But he entrusted the exercise of the power of absolution to the apostolic ministry which he charged with the "ministry of reconciliation."42 The apostle is sent out "on behalf of Christ" with "God making his appeal" through him and pleading: "Be reconciled to God."43


7ef275  No.813054

>>813053

Everything you posted is a Satanic lie!

When I speak of the son of "God", I speak not of myself or the God of Abraham, but of the things you currently are ignorant of!


7ef275  No.813055

Christ, Christos, Sophia, of the source (the all).


94b147  No.813072

>tfw when joking these last few years cali would ban high capacity assault bibles

>tfw they are a step closer

well now, guess this went south fast




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bed8d2  No.809420[Reply]

can we have a wholesome art thread? And yes, Icons and Frescos count

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ab05b6  No.812199

>>812197

He's so happy :')


bf43ff  No.812203

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bf43ff  No.812204

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Byzantine Icons


bf43ff  No.812215

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El Greco


5e45ed  No.813011

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>>810190

>ID: 36a777

based GOD trips

I love painting #4. Best Christian artwork I've yet seen.

It's by https://www.wikiart.org/en/viktor-vasnetsov/the-last-judgement-1904




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f8def3  No.812347[Reply]

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891f91  No.813000

This guy is a hero and has an absolutely massive ministry just through his youtube channel. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out thousands of people had come to faith through his work. A good few years back I found his preaching on youtube and it played a huge part in my conversion. He has a real gift for preaching and engaging with every type of person and gives all credit to the Holy Spirit. A good preacher is a good preacher, but IMO there's something special about David Lynn and his ministry. It seems that even the people he trains turn out to be great preachers. He isn't perfect but he meets people where they are at and seems to know instinctively how to share the gospel with anyone - gay, muslim, atheist, sikhs, hindus, people from all ethnic backgrounds and tailor it in a way that will help people to understand it without taking anything away from it. And he isn't high-and-mighty or some jumped up know-it-all like some street preachers, and doesn't show faux concern that some other preachers seem to. He keeps it real and is just a normal working class guy. Sorry if I seem like a fanboy but I'm just very thankful for his ministry. I think the work this guy is doing is incredible.

>>812393

>>812951

It makes sense though - why should he have to justify the crusades to people who are obviously unsympathetic? You don't have to approve of the crusades to be a Christian. He deflects away from it quickly because it's a 'gotcha' topic that's brought up in bad faith and a tangent that will only lead to a long unfruitful debate. The goal is to share to gospel, not debate with non-believers. Remember that he is trying to draw people to the faith, and the people asking him to defend the crusades are looking for any reason to reject the faith. So if he defends the crusades, they have their excuse to reject what he says. If he doesn't defend the crusades, then they have to engage in another way.


1743c0  No.813003

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1743c0  No.813004

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>>812394

>>812959

>>812944

>should we spread the gospel to probable reprobates or keep it to those who really want to listen and are curious for answers?

we are called to: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation"

>but randomly preaching at soyboys and reprobates on the street? No.

i wouldn't bother starting up fights and arguments with them in person, but everybody should warn them to repent online, like with making youtube sermons for example


1743c0  No.813005

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>>813000

nice trips bro. and yeah, he's got big gajones. courage, good gift to have




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268e49  No.812324[Reply]

Hi /christian/

I was wondering if you could kind of compare and contrast Lutheranism (particularly LCMS) and Orthodox Christianty? I was raised Lutheran, and there's this youtuber I really like who is Orthodox. It seems like there is a fair bit in common, but also quite a few differences. I'm interested, because Orthodox Christianity seems to be more hip to modern degeneracy and nihilism, and more willing to call it out.

>pic not related

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3bb33e  No.812976

>>812975

By "filioque" I mean the expression that the Holy Spirit proceeds "from the Father and the Son", which is used by several Orthodox saints.


901a71  No.812980

>>812976

The Orthodox Church does not recognize the filioque as correct, nor that everything a saint says is 100% doctrinally true. There are saints who believe in the tollhouses, saints who oppose tollhouses, saints who recognize the papacy, and saints who do not.

That being said, I think I understand your point. It's an odd way of thinking about it to me.


3bb33e  No.812984

>>812980

It's not like there isn't a consensus on the procession of the Holy Spirit, though. What "proceeding from the Father and the Son" means to the Latin fathers is explained by Maximus the Confessor, Gregory of Cyprus, and Gregory Palamas. Besides, there is no saint who was in error about either the Trinity or the Incarnation, or else they would never have been able to be saints to begin with, but would have remained graceless heretics. The Trinity is certainly a more important doctrinal matter than ecclesiastical authority or what happens between death and the last judgment.


901a71  No.812988

>>812984

St. Augustine confesses the exact doctrine of filioque (from both Father and Son, not from Father through Son) yet he is still considered a saint in the EO (tenuously sure, but still a saint). Palamas never taught the filioque and ardently rejected it, while the Catholics continue to believe in double procession (which is precisely what Maximus rejected). When you speak of the filioque you are talking about double procession, while Maximus, Photius, Palamas et all speak of single procession through Christ. Origen would have been a martyr-saint had he not been prevented


3bb33e  No.812991

>>812988

When I speak of "filioque" I speak of what the Fathers said by "procession from the Father and the Son", the Orthodox intepretation of which is different from the Catholic intepretation.

I'm not here to argue about whether it is the Catholics or the Orthodox who intepret Augustine correctly on the subject. I'm asking what the Lutheran interpretation is. Do they agree with the Council of Florence on this?

Maximus and Palamas speak of procession from the Father alone, but economic/energetic sending forth by or through the Son. This is the interpretation they make of the Latin expression of "proceeding from the Father and the Son". They, as well as Mark of Ephesus, do not condemn the Latin fathers as heretics for using this expression, but say that in Greek it would be said differently, and does not refer to hypostatic/essential origination.




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1245a9  No.811586[Reply]

Has anyone else had this idea? A company town is a town that has all its buildings and land controlled by a company. The residents of the town then operate their own businesses as subsidiaries of the company. The company can "tax" the subsidiaries by drawing off a portion of their profits. This enables a community to be created with complete control over who can live there and what kind of businesses can be run.

In short you could create a Christian company whose charter states that the company will create and maintain a community with the aim of maintaining traditional Christian values. Members of the community who are trusted and respected are given shares in the company and the board of directors is elected from among them to act as the towns council.

Is this feasible? It would allow Christians to create communities that are completely free from government influence since the land and property is privately owned there is no obligation to allow non-Christians or people who live immoral lifestyles into the community. In all other ways it can function as a traditional Christian village, with the long term goal of siphoning off as much money and wealth from the host nation as possible to maintain a high quality of life for the inhabitants.

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788f13  No.812632

>>811586

Sounds great until you realize that the town would be under the control of your local bishop, who has like a 50-50 chance of being a homosexual pedophile or someone who has no problem with homosexual pedophilia and will allow homosexual pedophiles to work for him.


beb56f  No.812633

>>812632

Could be resolved by establishing another Inquisition with authority to collect evidence, even through means they don't know if necessary.


beb56f  No.812634

>>812632

Have the inquisition use social engineering to lure out the homosexual pedophiles or a way to be contacted anonymously, so those falling victim can contact them in secret in which they could then take down the evidence quickly before acting.


962c9d  No.812982

Well dammit I wish I could live in one, it would be more than effective for escaping the temptations of this society. Some of which I'm addicted to and have problems quitting. In a Catholic Company Town it would be much easier to get away from some of those habits.


0cf0ff  No.813413

>company

>Christian

Choose one, OP




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bd5880  No.812251[Reply]

Do you lads also feel disgust towards atheists desperately pretending to have converted out of fear of death? Is pretending to be christian acceptable?

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b66701  No.812358

My conversion started as a consciously reactionary defense against nihilism, along the lines of "this is what people in the past did to stay sane, so I'll do the same." This was the seed though: realizing that religion is natural and necessary for Man, and that we're wired for God, so to speak. It set the groundwork for authentic faith, so that later on I was receptive to God when He revealed Himself to me through the philosophy I was reading. When you think about it, to accept God in any capacity at all is a grace, since without His grace we could only blaspheme and rebel. Keep your eyes on your own journey and pray for those who need it, and God will sort out the rest.


c75d9c  No.812461

>>812348

Neumann became a Catholic when he was a young man and not on his death bed.


c4e811  No.812531

>>812251

>>812348

Von Neumann and his relatives immediately converted to Catholicism after their father died. It implies that he wanted to do it for a long time, but he was hindered by his father.


75c11a  No.812537

>>812326

Except that would be applying the logic of one religion to all of them.


cdd37f  No.812862

Council of Trent, Session VI, Canon viii. If any one shall say, that the fear of hell, through which, by grieving for our sins, we flee unto the mercy of God, or refrain from sinning, is a sin, or makes sinners worse; let him be anathema.

If they're genuine, looks like they're OK.




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