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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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054906  No.794431[Reply]

Catholics seem to follow Matthew, James, and Peter but Protestants follow Paul, Luke, and John. Who's right? I don't get it.

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716b84  No.795389

Reminder that false flaggers will burn in the lake of fire.


56205e  No.795393

>>795040

Discard your bible then, since it is no longer infallible as the NT was written by the "pagan apostolics" you hate and the entire compilation of the bible at the council of Hippo in 393 AD is now forfeit.


ece893  No.795401

>>794431

What do you mean exactly when you say that Protestants “follow John?” The Gospel of St. John is the clearest and most unequivocal book of the Bible on doctrines like the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary.


82cb0a  No.795412

>>795401

This. The Gospel of St. John also places more emphasis on Peter leading the apostles, Christ granting Peter and the apostles the power to forgive sins, Jews as a whole rejecting Christ, etc., which is further supported by the book of Acts. The Bible as a whole isn't a very Protestant-friendly book, which is why they cherrypick scripture they like and ignore the rest.


ca8d46  No.795428

>>794978

Hebrews 7:23-25 shows that Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of the priesthood being one that never dies and so there is no need for replacement. For this very reason that he does not die, there no such thing as succession. If you say that there is succession then you say that he dies like the Levite did, or you just deny the truth spelled out in Hebrews.

Order of Aaron = successions by reason of current priests dying. Order of Melchisedec = never dies = no more successions. So citing Levites as an example means you think the high priest dies and is replaced regularly. But that's not what Hebrews says, especially chapter 7. So you must be denying at least part of what it says if not all of it.

>See also the book of Zechariah, where, on top of the Messiah, Who is a new kind of royalty, there is also the promise of a new kind of levitical priesthood.

Fulfilled here:

Hebrews 7:20-25

And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.




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45f038  No.795162[Reply]

How do I refute Islamic claims that Christianity is the most violent religion in history? He uses the crusades, inquisitions against Jews and Albigensians, and the Protestant-Catholic wars as example, and also witch hunts. How do I show Islam is more violent? Because he makes the point that Christians and Jews were treated well under the Caliphates and notes that Europe was a shit hole.

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beaba5  No.795295

>>795164

This. Not only the founder was a warlord, the following Califs were too. The Quran was redacted under the Calif Umar choosing the revelations of the prophet that he liked the most.

Now, the key to all this is (IMO) "Dar al-Harb" and "Dar al-Islam". Islam is the religion of peace. "Dar al-Islam" translates as "home/territory of peace". It's where the sharia law is observed and everyone is in communion with Allah. "Dar al-Harb" is the "territory/home of war/chaos" where people don't follow the teaching of the prophet and thus can only be war.

"Yihad" means "effort". Following the teaching of the prophet and making sure you live by them is yihad, and it brings you closer to Allah. One of the many ways to do yihad is to make sure there's no peace in Dar al-Harb. Those who make this spiritual effort ("yihad") are the muyahidin (singular: muyahid) and they're are exalted by the Quran as if they were almost saints.

Islam IS the religion of peace… if you're muslim. It's a peace imposed by the sword, by blood and fire. It seeks peace by destroying everything that can oppose it. That's why Islam can be translated as "peace", but it's also translated as "submission".

Now, a lot of people have tried to make Islam more palatable, and a lot of muslims scholars have written pretty decent theology and talked about peace (real peace). As with any religion (any proper religion, not mere superstition) , there's a lot of of value within Islam. That does not, however, change the fact that, at it's core, it's an extremely violent religion.


52ac95  No.795296

>>795166

>that video

topkek


a52139  No.795306

Is this bait?


357042  No.795340

>>795165

>Both were subject to extreme and exorbitant taxes, forbidden to own land, prohibitted from performing maintenance on temples and churches, and their children were subject to drafting into the islamic hoardes at young ages.

>>795200

>Making them pay massive taxes, stripping away most of their rights, and making them live under the constant threat of violence and slaver isn't exactly treating them well. And speaking of slavery, is this guy just going to ignore the fact that the Islamic world was home to the largest and most violent slave market in history? Literally hundreds of millions of slaves died because of the infections caused from being castrated by the Muslims.

By Islamic standards that does count as being well-treated.


970bf7  No.795398

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75847b  No.794809[Reply]

Former Pope Benedict blames church scandals on 1960s…

All-out sexual freedom… Pedophilia diagnosed as appropriate…

http://archive.today/2019.04.10-231017/https://nypost.com/2019/04/10/former-pope-benedict-blames-churchs-scandals-partly-on-the-60s/

When Pope Benedict XVI resigned the papacy in 2013, he vowed to live the rest of his days in seclusion, to serve the Catholic Church “through a life dedicated to prayer.” But the church’s spiraling abuse crisis prompted him this week to ­return to the limelight. The retired pontiff has drafted a 6,000-word document in his native German and aims to publish it in a monthly periodical for clergy in his home region of Bavaria. Benedict says the document, an English translation of which I’ve reviewed, is meant to assist the Church in seeking “a new beginning” and making her “again truly credible as a light among peoples and as a force in service against the powers of ­destruction.”

In the preface, he makes it clear that he is “no longer directly responsible” for the church and that he consulted Pope Francis before ­resolving to make the document public. Nevertheless, Benedict’s “The Church and the Scandal of Sexual Abuse” has the unmistakable ring of a papal document. You might even call it a post-retirement encyclical. It’s written with his signature precision and clarity of insight and offers a piercing account of the origins of the crisis and a ­vision of the way forward. The church’s still-radiating crisis, Benedict suggests, was a product of the moral laxity that swept the West, and not just the church, in the 1960s. The young rebels of 1968, Benedict writes, fought for “all-out sexual freedom, one which no longer conceded any norms.”

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03631f  No.795293

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>>795290

None of the secular institutions or the other religions purport to be the imitation of Christ, and yet by comparing yourself to them you have correctly suggested one thing, namely: Catholic priests have about as much faith as PE teachers or Orthodox Jews.


9300f7  No.795301

>>795210

>We didn't listen, so God punished us once more, then we were warned again in Akita, so we could escape divine judgement.

The punishment did more to harm decent, conservative christian countries than some secular humanist degenerotocracies, though..

Even Russia's opposition to efforts at healing the Schism is a result of that forced isolationism and soviet realpolitik.

The only good thing that happened is that E. Europe got spared of the worst excesses of western liberalism, via cultural delay.

It's def a pretty weird punishment, all things considered.


d7e0d5  No.795303

>>795227

Nations are real categories not magic dirt. You can read into that whatever you like.

>>795210

Name the undisputed most RC country in Europe today. Poland or Hungary. Two commie bloc countries. I’m no apologetic for communism, I’ve been called a fascist many times in fact, but what happened to RCatholicism in the West cannot be ignored. Look at all the historically Catholic Western democratic liberal bloc countries.

Italy

Portugal

Spain

France

Ireland

Have totally turned away from RCC.

I’m just saying the prophesy makes no sense.

The errors of America are equal to if not greater than that of Russia.


d7e0d5  No.795304

>>795301

Russia is not impeding any healing just to clarify. The schism has to do with the very question of how we can know God. If it were a simple matter it would have been solved long ago.


bf5a87  No.795361

>>795303

I think the damage was already done. Liberalism and the enlightnement already had took hold of those countries centuries before 1917..




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0aa1d6  No.768340[Reply]

How Christianity and Confucianism can explain US-China rivalry…

Peter T. C. Chang says China’s Confucian heritage means it can tolerate multiple belief systems ‘under heaven’, but the US’ insistence on liberal democracy has echoes of Christian exclusivism

http://archive.today/2019.02.08-185231/https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/united-states/article/2185298/are-confucian-china-and-christian-west

The ongoing trade war is just one front of an expanding all-out US-China tussle for world dominance. And unlike earlier great-power rivalries, this has the trappings of a civilisational showdown, as the pre-eminent Christian West faces off against a resurgent Confucian East, with potentially far-reaching consequences for the existing global order. Anxieties abound over whether these two giants share enough core values to manage a peaceful balancing of power, and can avert the dreaded Thucydides Trap. These fears are not unfounded. While similar in some ways, Christianity and Confucianism are distinct traditions, with theological assumptions that, if unchallenged, could set the US and China on a collision course.

Christianity, like Judaism, believes in the existence of only one true God. But, unlike the latter, the former transcended Judaic ethnocentrism to embrace Christian universalism. The Abrahamic god in Christianity is no longer just for the Jews, but for all peoples. Still, Christianity remains monotheistic, exacting absolute allegiance to the one God. For Christians, to be saved one must embrace the biblical faith. Put differently, humanity’s fate lies with Christianity, the sole gateway to heaven. Imprints of these Christian motifs are unmistakable in Pax Americana. Stepping out of isolation, the US played a central role in stabilising the post-second-world-war order. Hailed as the American century, the 20th century has had its lows, surely. But it was also marked with historic accomplishments. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is one. This and other US-led initiativePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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a60786  No.795097

sometimes I wonder how different history would've been without the Chinese Rites Controversy. that was an underrated historical event.


d8cdc4  No.795111

America isn't Christian, China isn't Confucian..


a9dea8  No.795276

>>768340

>But there is no equivalent doctrine of "God's elect".

lol there's also no concept of being a "Good Samaritan" either, that's why China is filled with people accidentally running over children, then backing up and running over them again so they only have to pay for a funeral.


b95402  No.795281

>>768340

Chinese both literally and figuratively threw Confucianism in the fire of Cultural Revolution. Ironically, the only place where there are still traces and bits of Confucianism left is Japan.


f04076  No.795283

>>795030

Can confirm

t. burger




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e18156  No.792428[Reply]

I don't understand Cathodox when they claim we need some magisterium of tradition with councils and fathers to decide which books belong in the Bible That's just false, we don't need anything else but our common faith. Christians throughout the centuries, whether orthodox or heretic, tended to hold these books in common with one another, and Christians today all agree on these books. Why do I believe that Hosea is inspired? Not because I need some tyrannical magisterium headed by one guy to tell me what is inspired, but because my Lutheran Church says so because we all agree so in our common faith, along with Methodists, and along with Anglicans, and of course with Cathodox Bibles which contain all the books we agree are inspired (and others which are questionable). We believe the Holy Spirit has inspired the canon itself to the extent that the knowledge of it is known in the genuine Christian community which we are a part of through our baptisms.

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08dcd5  No.795255

>>795245

I'm just interested to know where you got your picture from actually. I'm not even Lutheran.

With regard to the primary source of the Britannica, it seems interesting that despite no other known primary source connecting the EB quote from one satire written by John Bale many centuries earlier, it seems unlikely that two independent sources would independentally of one another attribute similar quotes to the same exact person, while yet clearly neither is copying from the other. It seems unlikely that a John Bale-original quote would exist all by itself and make its way by word of mouth or through lost sources to the Encyclopedia Britannica. The existing evidence I'm aware of almost seems to me to suggest like there had to be a real quotation behind both known instances. Nothing else would explain how John Bale's quote somehow by itself survived that long and by itself inspired the EB version, even with no known written sources along the way. Yet if it was the real source that was directly used by the EB quote, why are the two so grammatically different. I'd be interested to find other sources predating the encyclopedia to help confirm or refute this idea, yet at the same time I realize finding such evidence if it exists would also generally serve to further establish this.

But anyway, you can just discard the encyclopedia. That's ok, I'll accept it if you do. I'd rather like to know what source was for your pic because it would be useful for me to know this.


bc7328  No.795257

For anyone who might be curious, he's the original passage from Bale.

>At ban∣queting he delighted greatly in wine and musike: but had no care of preaching the Gospell, nay was rather a cruell persecutour of those that began then, as Luther and other to reueale the light thereof: for on a time when cardinall Bembus did moue a question out of the Gospell, the Pope gaue him a very contemptuouse aunswere saiyng: All ages can testifie enough howe profitable that fable of Christe hath ben to vs and our companie:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A02895.0001.001/1:41.1?rgn=div2;view=fulltext

It looks like Bale's first edition of this was in Latin, titled "Acta Romanorum Pontificum." This was itself extracted from an earlier work of Bale, his "Catalogus."

https://sixteenthcenturyscholars.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/john-bale/


bc7328  No.795260

>>795255

It's hard to say what was popular roughly a century ago. The Catholic Encyclopedia, which was published earlier (1910 versus 1929), goes through the trouble of refuting the quote. But then again, the EB Renaissance article may have had the same quote in an earlier EB edition.

>His piety cannot truly be described as deep or spiritual, but that does not justify the continued repetition of his alleged remark: "How much we and our family have profited by the legend of Christ, is sufficiently evident to all ages." John Bale, the apostate English Carmelite, the first to give currency to these words in the time of Queen Elizabeth, was not even a contemporary of Leo. Among the many sayings of Leo X that have come down to us, there is not one of a sceptical nature. In his private life he preserved as pope the irreproachable reputation that he had borne when a cardinal. His character shows a remarkable mingling of good and bad traits.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09162a.htm

Regarding Luther, the picture I posted earlier was a table of contents from an edition of his German New Testament translation published during his lifetime. The interesting thing there is he clearly separates four books (Hebrews, James, Jude and Revalation) from the rest and doesn't assign them numbers. But Luther explained his thinking about those books further in his prefaces. I found a scan of the full thing for you if you're curious.

https://archive.org/details/DasNeweTestamentDeutzsch1522/page/n19


bc7328  No.795263

>>795255

Back to Bale, the "16th Century Scholars" blogger, who presumably is knowlegable about John Bale, says that his works should be taken as a mixture of myth and fact (which I'm assuming was an understood feature of the polical genre Bale was writing in during that time).

>Bale helped to shape the English reformation on various levels but, also, helped to create the myth of protestant suffering and victory. As in his own autobiographical accounts Bale’s works carry a certain mythological and fictive element to them. Indeed, Lesley P. Fairfield, one of Bale’s many modern biographers called Bale ‘mythmaker for the English Reformation’. Such a title for a biography at once gets to the crux of Bale and offers us a warning not to examine him and his work without a significant amount of caution.


84856b  No.795267

>>795233

Why should it be a good source? What source does the encyclopedia brittanica cite? An encyclopedia is only as good as it's sources, afterall.




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4b7eb5  No.794846[Reply]

Hiker listening to worship spots 'Jesus' image on trail…

I was listening to my praise and worship music on my phone and was praising God humming, I just didn't think I'd SEE God

http://archive.today/2019.04.11-000317/https://wset.com/news/offbeat/woman-spots-image-of-jesus-along-lynchburg-trail

LYNCHBURG, Va. (WSET) – A Lynchburg woman says she spotted what appears to be Jesus while walking along the Blackwater Creek trail around the first day of Spring. Shae House says she entered the trail from the Ed Page entrance behind the Greek Orthodox Church on Langhorne Road and decided to take some pictures of a rock formation because she thought it was pretty.

It wasn't until after she looked at her pictures that House realized she had captured an image that looks like Jesus. She says it startled her. "I gasped and then eagerly started to take more pictures. I was delighted. I was listening to my praise and worship music on my phone and was praising God humming, I just didn't think I'd SEE God," says House. She was amazed by the crown of thorns and thick mustache.

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d8cd17  No.795060

>>795054

Why are we even giving this cool wine aunt attention?


1f0b1f  No.795062

>>795060

we’re not this thread is completely derailed


f97471  No.795063

>>795060

Because Jesus makes for great clickbait and great clickbait equals $$$. Notice how OP didn't even bother to post the picture of the rock formation the lady took a picture of? Even though the article was archived the archive service didn't even load the picture it might have for you, but I know it didn't for me.

On top of that, OP was a (1) and done IP.

My guess OP works for that "news site" and needs to generate clicks or wants to stir the pot somehow. my money is on the latter


93b531  No.795212

>>795004

>He went against his own command by saying Abraham didn't need to sacrifice Isaac.

A commander doesn't go against his own command, only whomever is commanded, that disobeys a command is "going back on the command".

Is English your second language?

>>795028

despite your tone, I'm pretty sure you're agreeing with me against this guy, right?


1bac60  No.795213

>>795212

>you're agreeing with me against this guy, right?

I must have tagged the wrong post. My bad, but yes. I am agreeing with you and not the crypto-muslim




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a5c12a  No.794138[Reply]

What does /christian/ like to cook? Do you cook anything special for christian holidays?

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ae15d8  No.795155

>>795144

When I hear of people cooking any type of pasta, my Italic senses rev up…hope you have not committed any of the gastronomical heresies the modern times brought upon Italian cuisine.


327cf7  No.795156

>>794172

Damn that looks good


54c17c  No.795159

>>795155

Now i'm curious, pastadubsman. What are these heresies you speak of? I want to avoid them if I ever make homemade pasta.

>>795156

I know right? I wanna make beef filled ones once pay day rolls around. I've been cooking the frozen ones I get at [local grocery store] and feel in love. Maybe this will finally help me learn how to make dough.


ae15d8  No.795182

>>795159

Changed phone…

1) pasta in cold water brought to boiling point: the water must be already boiling and with salt when you dunk the pasta;

2) oil in the water: tastes awful and makes it so that the pasta will not get the best out of any sauce you put on it;

3) overcooking it: if on the box it says “ready in 7 minutes”, let it cook for five and then drain the pasta;

4) breaking the spaghetti: [redacted, pastanon yells in Italian and says something on the line of “how about I break your legs!”; we apologise];

5) too much pasta and too little sauce: that’s a sure way to have a disappointing meal…

These are the ones I can recall after 5 years of exile in Albion…

and yes: cooking, good cooking that is (the act of preparing and enjoying food with friends and family), is indeed a divine gift.


262cc2  No.795196

>>795182

>if on the box it says “ready in 7 minutes”, let it cook for five and then drain the pasta;

>then drain the pasta

<Not tasting if it's al dente or not

The timer is a guideline, use it as such.

Sometimes it takes less, sometimes it takes more.

After a while, you just throw it in without looking at the box.

Dang it Anon you were so close…




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60f34d  No.794714[Reply]

Do Christian women that don't want to have children exist? I don't want to have any kids due to genetic propensity to treatment resistant depression and possibly bipolar disorder type II.

My current denomination heavily promotes having kids, I'm not sure if this is the case for regular churchgoers in other denominations that aren't Cathodox.

Women I know die to have children.

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20863b  No.795098

Antinatalists are a step away from full on godless misanthropes. Even if they don't know it themselves, they're implicitly buying into the idea that happiness is more important than life. They believe that suffering is worse than death. This inversion of values leads to justifying abortion, euthanasia, and self destructive behavior.


80fde9  No.795110

>>794730

You're probably right. I won't stop anyone from marching into hell with futile sex efforts. If your idea of life and it's implication is that wrong I'm sorry


a42676  No.795120

>>794826

Muh comfort. The birth rates in the West have totally flatlined so it’s absurd to say it’s overpopulated here. The infidel Muslim invaders of Christendom are having 3 kids per couple.


df0cb4  No.795134

>>795120

this. It's like:

>european christians are having 1 to two kids, IF they even have kids

>muslims are having 3 to 4 kids and slowly replacing them through demographic war

>stop having children goy, the wolrd is overpopulated


d96adb  No.795183

>>795120

>>795134

Again, global rates. America isn’t overpopulated in itself- other countries are. But that doesn’t mean it’s out of the problem- we use a tremendous amount of un-renewable resources. Feel free to argue with facts and science if you want with half baked ideas, but that’ll just blind you into thinking that everything’s okay




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a4bfbe  No.780902[Reply]

Greetings siblings in Christ! With the Lent season upon us I was wondering if y'all have any good recipes to share. Let's face it, salads can get pretty boring pretty fast. So I wanted to share this super simple and suprisingly delicious recipe I just tried.

Roasted Onion

>1 onion

>pinch of salt

Process:

All you do is put the whole onion (uncut, shell and everything) on a baking sheet or stone and bake it in your oven @350 degrees (F) for 30-40 minutes. Thats it. Once baked you can cut it and put some salt on it and enjoy it with a biscuit or a cut apple.

I know our Orthobros have more strict guidelines, but that usually means they get more creative with their recipes. So please, Catholics and Orthodox please share some delicious recipes that you know of so we can help each other make our Lenten fasts less boring Prots are welcome to contribute as well

God Love you all.

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cf97cd  No.786467

>ctrl+f sushi

>0 results

Why has no one taken the pescatarian pill yet?


0054c7  No.795090

>>786467

Sushi is the BEST, but I think it may be a no-no in Orthodox tradition. But im not 100% on that so don't quote me.


3230c3  No.795095

>>795090

?

Isn’t it raw fish and rice?

Are Orthos forbidden from fish too?


f8ef4e  No.795109

>>795095

On Annunciation and the Palm Sunday fish is permitted.


0054c7  No.795140

>>795095

Yes, sushi is primarily raw fish and rice. Some Americanized rolls have cooked meat and various other ingredients on it as well, but OG sushi is just fish, seaweed, and rice

>>795095

Like I said in the OP, all I know is the East is more strict when it comes to Lent and all meat is not permitted or at least that is what I was told. I'm not Eastern so I dont know 100%




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9a1c34  No.793589[Reply]

So, exactly just how many of you are aspiring priests/pastors no matter the denomination, and how many of you just study scripture for the sake of it?

If so, what's the point you see in engaging into scriptural understanding on an academical level from a strictly secular point of view?

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a8b9e0  No.793685

>>793675

You're confused. I'm talking about the Divine Liturgy, which is the name of the Eucharistic liturgy in Byzantine tradition. You, as a Roman Catholic, would call it the Mass.

A layman cannot celebrate the Mass, that is, he cannot fulfill a clerical ministry at the altar. The bishop or priest can consecrate the Eucharist, but a layman cannot.

If we're talking about the Daily Office, of course laymen can do it in Orthodoxy. Well, a dumbed down version of it that can be found in prayer books, anyway. Takes about 20 minutes for each (well, except for the Midnight Office, in which you're supposed to read Psalm 119…).


9a1c34  No.793995

>>793649

Why don't you go to your nearest parish and ask for some welfare, until you're back on your feet?


9a1c34  No.795051

bump


1b002f  No.795084

>>793677

REEEEE ecumenism bad!

Non-Latin Mass bad!

Fake Pope bad!

REEEEEE


a8b9e0  No.795092

>>793995

My parish can't afford to sustain my life, man. My priest only makes 400 euros/month, and the parishioners aren't exactly on the high end of society either.

My parish does give me canned food now and then, though.




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0bd8a8  No.785476[Reply]

Sup 8chan.

I am a Catholic and a senior in high school at the moment, and have been trying to figure out what on earth to do with my life beyond graduation. Since I was quite young my family has pushed the usual "major in engineering at the best university possible, make 100k plus a year and have two kids" stuff on me, as expected. In a quite unasked for series of events, I have found myself very apathetic towards the idea. I do not really WANT to live my life amassing money and being depressed in a country club like my father did. I have examined other routes to take, but have found similar problems with them.

I have had this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that I should look into a life with the Church. I do not know if I am being called to the priesthood or something of the sort, and no part of me has ever particularly been drawn towards a life based solely on religion until this year. Yet I still have that draw dragging me towards a life involved with religion over a more typical life.

I do feel reluctance towards further examining and committing to life in some vocation stemming from one source. I AM AN ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE HUMAN BEING. I go to confession weekly, sometimes more if I can. I have been futilely struggling with the same few sins for years on end and I am not in the slightest bit worthy to even begin thinking of leading a religiously bound life.

SO, in summary, "What do?"

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0bd8a8  No.785860

It is I, the OP.

>>785484

>>7885488

>>785490

>>785608

God bless you all for your responses! I will take them to heart as much as possible.

>>785688

I mean… I don't believe any Catholics downright hate Luther and everything about him. We believe he was misguided and went off track at one point but we aren't just going to go out of our way to separate ourselves from every aspect of a man.

>>785497

Who hurt you?


0e342f  No.785997

>>785476

>a senior in high school

I'm afraid you have to wait one more year before you can legally post here, newfriend.


60e5c4  No.786233

>>785476

Same boat here. I'm the same guy who is making the christian manga i posted some time ago ( btw basically finished page 4) and i'm debating wheter i should pursue an art/illustration career. It's hard to me to decide because although i love drawing, i've heard that this career takes a lot of luck.


f30e38  No.786452

>>785479

>>785484

>>785860

>NEEDING to go to confession is a bad sign.

>It helps keep you out of confession

I apologize if this is off-topic (polite sage for that reason), and I know I somewhat said this before, but I feel compelled to say this in stronger terms:

I view the mentality of "The less you go to confession, the higher score you get!" as insanely spiritually dangerous. Better to go to confession often and make sure you have confessed all of your sins as often as possible and have your conscience as clean as possible, than to shoot for a goal of going to confession as little as possible out of a sense of pride or delusion in one's spiritual progress.


dc46ee  No.795091

>>786452

Thats why I said he ought to go to confession once a week.




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3af386  No.785441[Reply]

I have a friend who believes in the "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" meme. What would you say to such a person?

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c82454  No.786225

>>786208

>>786210

And yet, such is also "want." Find yourself a monastery to recover in.

Also, find the right books.


a49f3d  No.786469

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. — 1 Corinthians 10:13


43f0fe  No.786501

>>786225

yes i will consider it. do you know of any monasteries in New England, mainly CT?


a967c6  No.786540

>>786501

There’s a famous Russian one in New York. But first you must begome.


1e178b  No.795089

>>785441

Your friend is smart. The trials God gives us are sufficient to our salvation. Some are greater than others. Job, for example, lost everything but still overcame it. After he overcame it he flourished tenfold.




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aab1cf  No.757007[Reply]

In this thread we'll post updates in Ukraine and their newly founded church so we don't have to derail the Orthodox general

The news are running like crazy and i think many people haven't yet realised the significance of the event.

We can also discuss our objections to the autocephaly if anyone has any. All opinions welcome but please try to be civil and elaborate on your disagreement.

Catholic opinions also welcome but please try to stay on topic.

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4558ce  No.794017

>>794008

Tons of bishops have called for a pan-Orthodox council. It could even be considered a continuation of the council of 2016, to make the EP happy. But the EP has rejected this. His response to the churches that didn't attend the council of 2016 has basically been "you guys didn't show up back then, so why should I play fair too?" and his response to the churches that did attend the council of 2016 has basically been "that council was a disaster, no reason to expect this one won't be; also please stop doubting my authority pls ok thanks". I am heavily paraphrasing so take it with a grain of salt.

>>793035

They're basically autocephalous (they ordain their own bishops, they're autonomous, they do what they want)… but will have the EP breathing on their neck the whole time. The EP reserves himself the right to single-handedly change the Ukrainian church's decisions if he dislikes them, although they are autocephalous otherwise and don't need to go to him to get their bishops confirmed for instance.

This whole thing is stupid anyway. Until there is an 8th Ecumenical Council confirming them, all these "autocephalies" granted by Constantinople are only nominal, one might even say economical. Strictly speaking, there are still only a few autocephalous churches/patriarchates: Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria (ratified at Nicea I), Constantinople and Jerusalem (ratified at Constantinople I), Cyprus (ratified at Ephesus). All autocephalies or removal thereof since then have happened after Nicea II, and have been the common work of local councils and primates, but have not been ratified universally and finally by an Ecumenical Council. In that sense, not even Rome's falling away from the Church has been officially and universally ratified, even though no one doubts it and anathemas have been thrown both ways.

We really need to do some spring cleaning and have a proper ecumenical council to affirm the doctrinal defintions of the many local councils since Nicea II and to affirm the pastoral and canonical decisions since then as well. WiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


525d6c  No.794081

>>794017

>We really need to do some spring cleaning and have a proper ecumenical council to affirm the doctrinal defintions of the many local councils since Nicea II and to affirm the pastoral and canonical decisions since then as well. With the Ottoman Empire gone, as well as the communist nightmare of the 20th century being done with, it's really about time.

You won't have an ecumenical council, ironically, for ecumenical reasons:

a)EC's traditionally need Rome's aproval. Yes, the Ecumenical See is our protos, and has the power to do so, but it's not the same;

b)We have a certain continuity with the rest of Christendom through these 7, and certain Popes have given hints they would consider these first 7 the true ecumenical councils, and that the post-Schism ones lack a certain catholicity. Proclaiming an eight would complicate things IMMENSELY with Rome and the Oriental Churches;

c)EC's are usually convoked for theological reasons, when we have a doctrinal crisis.

Ukraine and co is not a theological thing, but an administrative one;

Nah, i'm pretty sure there will be a huge, 8th Council, but it will be to unscrew the administrative and theological issues of all of Apostolic Christendom;


3d05f8  No.794580

>>794081

>a)EC's traditionally need Rome's aproval. Yes, the Ecumenical See is our protos, and has the power to do so, but it's not the same;

But we don't need the See of Rome to function as the Church. Although, if the Pope or his legates are invited to observe, and if he even says the council was doctrinally orthodox some time later, it would be a giant step forward for ecumenicity. Rome had a council recently - why can't we do the same?

>b)We have a certain continuity with the rest of Christendom through these 7, and certain Popes have given hints they would consider these first 7 the true ecumenical councils, and that the post-Schism ones lack a certain catholicity. Proclaiming an eight would complicate things IMMENSELY with Rome and the Oriental Churches;

They have called post-schism Catholic councils "general councils held in the West" rather than "ecumenical councils" but have also insisted that they must be obeyed by all, so it doesn't mean much.

Also, Rome has left the Church 1000-600 years ago (depending on one's standard), and the Monophysites have left the Church 1600 years ago. We can't wait for them forever.

>c)EC's are usually convoked for theological reasons, when we have a doctrinal crisis.

We could ratify those councils and documents that have been recognized as orthodox since the schism, notably those listed by Met. Kallistos Ware:

- The Encyclical Letter of St Photius (867)

- The First Letter of Michael Cerularius to Peter of Antioch (1054)

- The decisions of the Councils of Constantinople in 1341 and 1351 on the Hesychast Controversy

- The Encyclical Letter of St Mark of Ephesus (1440-1)

- The Confession of Faith by Gennadius, Patriarch of Constantinople (1455-6)

- The Replies of Jeremias II to the Lutherans (1573-81)

- The Confession of Faith by Metrophanes Kritopoulos (1625)

- The revised form of thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


3d05f8  No.794581

>>794580

Oh, also, ending the schism with the Oriental Orthodox at this 8th council would be ideal.


4c073b  No.795025

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>>794580

His name was Petru Movilă of the moldovan noble family Movilești

Just saying.




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2bd035  No.793940[Reply]

On Wednesday, Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) will file a powerful groundbreaking lawsuit against a local Ohio sexual orientation gender identity (SOGI) non-discrimination law that some say may become the most significant religious freedom case since Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (2018). This lawsuit aims to protect a small Catholic school from stifling LGBT laws that cut to the heart of religious education.

Last year, the City of South Euclid passed a SOGI ordinance similar to the Equality Act in Congress and the Ohio Fairness Act currently in the state legislature. The Lyceum, a Catholic classical school in South Euclid, will sue the city on Wednesday, claiming the SOGI ordinance violates the First Amendment.

"The Lyceum is a small, classical, Catholic school established back in 2003. But unfortunately, in 2018, the City of South Euclid passed a law that threatens the Lyceum’s very existence," ADF legal counsel Christiana Holcomb said in a video on the case.

"Religious schools like The Lyceum must be free to operate consistently with their faith without fear of unjust government punishment—that is their right under the First Amendment," she said in a statement. "But the city’s ordinance threatens this small school with criminal penalties simply for selecting faculty and students who share its religious convictions."

"The Lyceum’s parents, students, and faculty have agreed to live by community standards rooted in Catholic teaching. The city’s hostile regulation not only threatens the school, it also undermines the rights of parents and students who deliberately seek out this unique, faith-based education," Holcomb declared.

Local activists suggest the lawsuit could rise to the Supreme Court and strike down the SOGI laws expanding across the nation.

"South Euclid passed one of the most offensive and egregious sexual orientation gender identity laws that I have ever seen, and Christian ministries across the country should take note of what these laws would mean to them," Aaron Baer, president of Citizens for Community Values (CCV), told PJ MediaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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a80372  No.794954

>>794953

The church cries as it imports more muslims to Europe.


1d86eb  No.794963

>>794954

Love your enemies.


a80372  No.794966

>>794963

And send them to hell all the same.


1d86eb  No.794967

>>794966

Begone Satan.


130e19  No.794973

>>794429

we have to keep a repbulicunt in just so when ginsbitch finally kicks the bucket the right gets another pick….there is no reason to not push for another right leaning person on the supreme court.




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5db90b  No.791969[Reply]

There's either straight up worship of him going on or vile hatred, so what's the problem with him?

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5671d8  No.794145

>>794024

Catholicism still believes in God and never supported atheism i don't see how you can blame them for the sins of others that would be fallacious. it would be like blaming orthodoxy for creating catholicism but that would be even less obtuse.


5671d8  No.794161

>>793978

funnily enough Vegan Gains was the voice of reason in that debate (atleast on the vegans side of course).


7b4770  No.794390

>>794039

I can't disagree with this. I hate calling him out in public like this, but then.. he broadcasts publicly and probably views himself as fair game anyhow. I think he could still be very helpful, but yes, he could chill a bit. And at the very least, rejoice that some people believe in Christ at all (even if they're not Orthodox). Maybe I'm not spoiled with Christians everywhere, but I don't like brushing them aside. I see a brother or sister even if we don't always agree. I could have much worse company than this, unfortunately. The Christian life is usually a lonely one, so we should rejoice at what little fellowship we have.


a9090c  No.794799

>>793997

>eastern catholic as of 2008,

>in 2019 now he's eastern orthodox (again)

He was Eastern Orthodox at least since 2010:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGfIDlJ_V4I


5ebdd7  No.794817

>>794799

What made him switch back?




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