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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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11eba7  No.771531[Reply]

Post your favorite traditional Christian music of any genre. Here are a few of my favorites:

Great Gospel song from the greatest singer:


Not solely Christian, but helps me remember to not fret about Earthly problems as much


The crown jewel of Handel's Messiah, makes me tear up every time


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781da3  No.771973

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7f4d66  No.771979

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c9ccf0  No.772034

been searching all the relevant threads in the catalog can't find it but one of you anons, somewhere, posted what sounded to be a really nice contemporary version of what I think was will the circle be unbroken. Note it was not this version >>768384

, but rather just a kind of 'generic' contempory (but not as in modern country pop trash) traditional country record, but done very well (to my ears at least) sung by a man. Was youtube. Can anyone re-post who might know which version I mean? Always meant to come back to check it out properly but cannot find it.

c9ccf0  No.772035


dangnammit literally seaching one last time in case after posting i found it my bad >>761537

cd0ae2  No.772088

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5f39e7  No.771657[Reply]

I have been reading the Bible everyday(both old and new testament) and believe in every word, and though I do not sympathise with the jews for they have broken the trust of our God many times I am still unable to understand what sin did they commit, so grave, that they had to go through the Holocaust something that will leave them damaged. Did anyone prophesy to the jews about Hitler, why didn't God save his chosen people?

Also those who say the Holocaust didn't happen, proof please?

And to those who say Jews are no longer the chosen people, also proof.

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f5aeb9  No.772070


>inb4 evangelical screeching about muh chosen people

Nobody here does that. How new are you?

ca88c1  No.772071


Thank you I will read the new testament again, I seemed to have not paid enough attention in my 1st reading, forgive me for I am new to the faith.

ca88c1  No.772073


Of course seeing the bigger picture good did happen, but doesn't anyone feel sad for the suffering, even for the suffering of jewish people. Is it wrong to feel bad for the people who rejected Christ? Am I being an hypocrite, am I an evangelist?

8cb1f8  No.772074


Of couse we should and must suffer with those who suffer, and that includes the Jews (and other ethnic groups) who suffered during World War II. But they are not the people of God anymore, they are merely a nation among others. Let us not put unbelieving Jews on a pedestal (but let us not imagine that God particularly hates them either). The Hebrews are a nation among others. See Amos 9:7:

>Are you not like the people of Ethiopia to Me, O children of Israel?” says the Lord. "Did I not bring up Israel from the land of Egypt, the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?"

0a0faf  No.772083


The Jewish answer to this question is simple:

>Where was God when we were being tortured in the camps?

>He was in the camps with us.

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3028ba  No.771948[Reply]

How do we tell when the appearance of a religious figure isn't a hallucination? And I'm talking more that just the post-resurrection appearances of Jesus to his disciples, his brother, and Paul and to the 500, but also the appearances of Jesus and Mary to popes, other modern religious figures and even children.

My question is as follows

>With religious hallucinations appearing in almost all religions

>with the majority of people experiencing hallucinations at least once in their lifetimes

>and with the fact that hallucinations are so objectively real to the observer (most people who experienced hallucinations can back me up on this)

>and that religion, among other things like depression and grief are known the be triggers of hallucinations

What are some ways we can separate cases that are actually divine and the ones that are naturally occurring phenomena?

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972bcf  No.772049


Is it a sin to hallucinate God Himself and Jesus?

Asking for myself.

366b25  No.772050


1: Multiple witnesses (“mass hallucinations” are a myth

2: Physical evidence, like Jesus eating the fish given to Him when He appeared to some disciples after the resurrection (multiple disciples, mind you)

588343  No.772052

They're all unbiblical after the new testament era

0bb794  No.772054


Remember, satan likes to fool people by revealing himself as an angel of light think Mohammed and the supposed angel Gabriel

b38b39  No.772080

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>The Interior Castle, by St. Teresa of Avila

>2. I thought of the soul as resembling a castle, 1 formed of a single diamond or a very transparent crystal, 2 and containing many rooms, just as in heaven there are many mansions

There's also the Miracles at Fatima and Gaudalupe.

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9a1478  No.770366[Reply]

Is it better to be an atheist or a Christian heretic?

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664e57  No.770526

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>>770366 (checked)

Techinally speaking, they are both equally bad as they both get the lake of fire (or if you believe the fanfic Dante wrote in Inferno, they both go to the same level in hell). As fpbp stated, being a heretic is better than being a fedora because it's less work to get to the truth.


>what if I'm considering Galvinism

Please don't

9f19f3  No.770533

It's better to be in honest rejection than in dishonest acceptance. Liberal "Christians" are cowards who dillute the faith and are mere traitors; wolves in sheep's clothing and lead many astray. Would you rather your enemy be wearing red uniforms as opposed to your blue, or that they also wear blue?

9f19f3  No.770541


This is incredibly delusional. My family comes from a northern Mexican state. The only informal word that we knew of (before the internet brought in American/European gay cancer) in Spanish to describe homosexuals was "joto" which is the equivalent to "faggot." The only sizable "brown" people who are overwhelmingly Catholic are Hispanics, who seem to be at least a century behind Europeans in terms of social political "development." Ergo, if anyone is contributing to the breakdown of social traditionalism within the Catholic church, it certainly isn't "brown" people.

92e246  No.770606


Same anon you're replying to. I recant as well! Heh. On second thought, you may be right. Apparently he was on his way to being back in communion with the church, if he only silenced some opinions.. but he still died anyways.

144adc  No.772077


I mean both go to Hell so

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416c3c  No.553707[Reply]

New meme thread because the old one is autosaging, starting with a request: I need the exploitable 8ch logo, have this crop in return

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7f90ba  No.771955

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That's really good

bit worried about the veneration of Codreanu, tho

he was only a fascist politician. that's all.

no miracles happened through him.

he didn't cure the sick or love the poor

145fe9  No.772012


>Didn't love the poor

Actually, that's where you're wrong, in fact he made his militia plow the fields of tenant farmers for the sake of Christ. Really Codreanu was something of a bizarro mix of fascist elements and Christianity, and his martyrdom only cements it. Don't know much else about him though.

145fe9  No.772016


I'm really not sure, overall it's a nameless apprehension about Rome. Romophobia if you like. I do however think a great deal more than many Anglicans about Mary. I think they get it wrong; we are given hints throughout the narrative of the Bible that her love for her Son is an allegorical representation of her relationship with the other persons of the Trinity.

4a16da  No.772028


lol this ones got the theme from Indy Last Crusade

6147b1  No.772033


I don't feel comfortable with this

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759b74  No.761807[Reply]

Best book to read after the Bible for any Christian?

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b542bb  No.770469


>"Indication of the Way Into the Kingdom of Heaven" by Saint Innocent of Alaska

Do you have epubs for any of those? They seem really obscure.

276740  No.770475


>"Indication of the Way Into the Kingdom of Heaven" by Saint Innocent of Alaska

No epubs, but here's a site that has it in full (very short but very meaty):


And here's the physical copy that I own if you would like to get one for yourself:


And here's links to a physical copy of "The Path of Salvation":


And while, unfortunately, physical copies of "My Life in Christ" do tend to be pricey:


You can read if for free online:


276740  No.770546


>And while, unfortunately, physical copies of "My Life in Christ" do tend to be pricey:

My bad. If you do a search on Amazon, you'll be able to find other physical editions in the 20ish dollar range if you want.

b542bb  No.771947



It's cool that two of these are free, thanks for the links.

8d5594  No.772027


Sayings of the Desert Fathers.

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df843b  No.771981[Reply]

Some weird guy on the bus invited me to go to a church that's "charismatic"

As far as I've googled it's about miracles? He said it's nothing that I have never expierenced before…seemed kind of scary tbh.

Can I get your opinions? I'm a newish Christian but I listen to Steven Anderson and read the Bible so I believe in the Trinity.

3dd64a  No.771986


I hope you keep faith pure

God bless

Sincerely a loving Catholic

b68abc  No.771999

We have Charismatic Churches in Catholicism as well.

They are all about strong emotional experiences and emphasising the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Which can include miracles, but most of the time it is the gift of "tongues", i.e. incomprehensible babbling that is supposed to come from the Holy Spirit.

If it is anything like Catholic Charismatic Churches, expect a lot of teenagers and young adults, a band playing, lots of people posing with their hands in the air and eyes closed, people doing the whole "speaking in tongues" thing, and just all round highly emotional style of spirituality.

Some people really identify with this sort of spirituality. Who knows, maybe you will go along and be singing and crying and throwing your hands in the air. But it definitely isn't everyone's cup of tea.

31c655  No.772001


Here, let me copy paste my favorite bit of a charismatic sermon so you know what you'd be getting into

>sl;hdfl;kansdbf;aksdnvlkdbs vjlh





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bb3fd6  No.772013

Avoid. Generally under the influence of demons.

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042ffa  No.770709[Reply]

How do I be a Chad?

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e7b193  No.771422


I didn't like this book, to be honest.

87ed14  No.771443


How can it not work? To me it was perfect. I had been trying to stop for a long time, caught in the exact trap he is talking about, and it was like he was reading my mind, listing all the excuses I had been making and destroying them one by one untill I felt there was nothing at all to gain from porn, and I already knew there was a lot to lose.

87ed14  No.771448


I felt that this was not only the perfect solution, but that variations of this method could be used to free you from any sin. I would really like to know how much of it you read and if you understood the concept of how this method works, when you do, I can't see how it couldn't work.

849f7d  No.771889


I found one that fits all except the last. Her parents don't even want her married yet, but now that she knows I like her she feels awkward around me. She's taken to "forcing" (and it does look extremely forced when she does it) herself to be someshat rude and cold to me in fear of "leading me on" as she put it. I'm down for being just friends with her. Honestly just having a girl like that in my life is nice knowing that such actually exist. Pray for me bros.

375bc1  No.772010


>She's taken to "forcing" (and it does look extremely forced when she does it) herself to be someshat rude and cold to me in fear of "leading me on" as she put it.

This is kind of cute in a way.

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99a16f  No.491187[Reply]

Didn't see a qtddtot in the catalog, so I'm creating one. I'll start it off with this question. Is sodomy between a man and a woman sinful?

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cf8fef  No.771994


This has been really constructive.

ba19df  No.771995


>Now shes got a chance to be free. Than again your indoctrination prompted me to find deeper truths. so thank you.

so anyway, if you fornicate with your gf you should break up with her and confess. being in a state of mortal sin will not alleviate any demonic influence in your life

cf8fef  No.771997


We did break up. I actually left her for god initially. Intention and awareness are important factors anon. We even have an organ in our body that gauges them. For they are different sins. I will confess and ask for forgiveness. Thank you.

ba19df  No.771998


May God bless you and keep you.

1dbb6e  No.772006

What do you think of the john birch society?

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e18a05  No.771508[Reply]

Anyone familiar with this guy? I had a vague awareness of him as a comedian but I didn't realize he had become a Christian or gotten redpilled so hard. He seems pretty cool.

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66ce1d  No.771841


>that a guy like this is a product of some large disinformation operation

He might not even know it. This kind of mass manipulation is going on for thousands of years. The easiest way to spot a crack in the narrative is to ask yourself how does this help the jews, and does it damaged me. If both come up with positive answers you stumbled right into another one of their schemes. In Owens case the jews are benefiting from it by getting israel out of the line of fire, by gathering sympathy with the "not all jews" excuse, by him pushing the world wide jew hate onto individuals, like some easily expendable Hollywood pedos, and by having a hate filled audience addicted to the screen while their time is running out in real life. The latter is also what hurts you the most, because you waste time listening to redpills you already knew about. then we have people who waste their money on Owen instead on their defenses, then we have false hopes for the leader the kikes don't allow us to have, then the false sense of bear community, because when the lights go out the bears stop existing. Owen is also not super hard on riling up his audience into grouping up and networking with each other, while he himself goes all out with his group of money making buddies. Just be aware that jews are always deceptive, and extremely good at it.

66ce1d  No.771844

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>had a real, physical Temple to perform sacrifices

And they did and still do it to virtual signal. It's a symbol of power. jews use sacrificing rituals to blackmail their enforcers (politicians, royalty, entertainer) into compliance, which is mostly accompanied by sexual degeneracy blackmail and bribes. The religious aspect of the sacrificing routine is mostly show.

>anthropological relativist

I had to look that up. Jesus Christ…next time use pic related.

87c953  No.771846

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>I had to look that up

I had to do it.

c4203b  No.771919


He's not targeting any actual christians you dolt. It's the atheists, new agers, and fake secular "christians" that he's been bringing into the church left and right. Why would a bunch of secular heathens bother reading works by "genuine Christians" when they're literally allergic to anything with that label?

Jesus didn't come for the righteous, but rather the sinners. Likewise, Peterson doesn't focus on christians that already know his message. Despite what your pride may have you believe, not everything is about you.

If his teachings sound like a bunch of gnostic/pagan heresies, it's because that's how pervasively gnostic/pagan beliefs have infiltrated our secular western culture. The fact that describing the bible in such terms is more effective and palatable to your average secular heathen than the raw words found in the scripture, is more of a testament to the degeneracy of our society than a reflection of anything Peterson is doing.

7f75fd  No.771990


>I had to look that up. Jesus Christ…next time use pic related.

but that's what you're doing

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dae1ec  No.770039[Reply]

talk about your recent /christian/ feels

>tfw i realized i'm too idealistic to fit in with the degenerate normie masses, but still too degenerate and broken to ever fit in with real life tradcaths

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a16305  No.771489


>Nestorianism believes that Jesus is radically separated into two different persons, not that he is a person with two natures,

Which is literally what I said:


>This heresy contends the Jesus was divided into "two persons"

Mary didn't originate his divine nature, which is uncreated since eternity, she gave birth to his undivided dual nature by God choosing her womb as the new tabernacle as foreshadowed in the Old Covenant. By saying that you think Mary only gave birth to his human nature, you are effectively dividing him into two persons. He emerged from Mary's womb as two natures perfectly undivided in one being. Jesus was not just a human nature. Jesus was God, period.

129868  No.771977


Watch this video, it's a good video for understanding the 7 sorrows.


acd0f8  No.771980



You don't know what you're talking about. Mary did not give birth to the divine nature, that is the heresy of Monophysitism which Nestorius falsely accused the Christians of Constantinople of believing. The divine nature is not physical, it was not in Mary's womb, it did not come out Mary's birth canal. Mary gave birth to the divine person according to His humanity alone.

bcb890  No.771984

>thread devolved into denom wars again

amazing. cannot be fabricated


the bad feels:

>a huge amount of churches in my town closed, including mine. So I don't what I am going to do from now on.

>no christian bros on campus, was part of a conservative lutheran group but it dissolved due to many extraordinary factors out of any of our control (didnt fit in there anyway)

>there is a baptist group but its normie and they laughed at me when i asked them if it was the place (where the meeting was) so i left

I hate university so much

the good:

>finally coming out of a spiritual slump

>no longer hating my self all the time

>despite all these things still hopeful for the future

It is a miracle and entirely God's grace.

a16305  No.772018


>You don't know what you're talking about. Mary did not give birth to the divine nature

This is literally what I said:


>Mary didn't originate his divine nature, which is uncreated since eternity

>Mary gave birth to the divine person…

Yes, that's also what I said:


>He emerged from Mary's womb as two natures perfectly undivided in one being.

Then you slide right back into Nestorianism:

>…according to His humanity alone

Once again, you are saying that Mary only gave birth to his human nature; that she is the Mother of Christ, not the Mother of God. The classic Nestorian heresy of Mary being the "Christokos" (a title literally used by Nestorious himself) and not the Theotokos.

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299018  No.771903[Reply]

Politics aside….

Is God's covenant with the Jews still valid, or did Christ supersede it?

From what I understand, its a dispensationalist interpretation. And dispensationalism is relatively new in the history of Christianity. Unless someone can show me how it was part of the gnostic invisible Church (50 AD - 330AD) and somehow got "corrupted by tradition"

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951c8a  No.771922


Replacement theology is necessary as one can not introduce a new law to a land without first abrogating the old one. In addition, st.Paul believed it, so it is truth.

200e9b  No.771944

Hebrews 7:11-26

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For [d]He testifies:

“You are a priest forever

According to the order of Melchizedek.”

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing [e]perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Greatness of the New Priest

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn

And will not relent,

‘You are a priest [f]forever

According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),

22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

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200e9b  No.771945

One need only read through the letter to the Hebrews to understand that the Law of Moses, or more precisely the covenant at Siani has been fulfilled i.e. it is no longer needed and in its place is a better covenant with better promises, a better priesthood, and a better sacrifice.

aa43c1  No.771946


>And dispensationalism is relatively new in the history of Christianity.

That’s how you know it’s wrong.

3212b8  No.771966

the correct term is Supersessionist theology, "replacement" theology implies Christianity is a beggar-vandal usurper to the Jews.

I can only imagine some Jews came up "replacement" as a term

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c5ca0e  No.771631[Reply]

what the h*ck. i though you guys said christian girls were based and trad

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579907  No.771711

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>This girl's (?)

e95f07  No.771713

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Heck off, OP. Radical leftist college kids aren't christian. Stop making up lies. Pic related shows you what a traditional christian woman looks like.

562abd  No.771753


Gender is a grammatical construct, and since God constantly refers to Himself in masculine terms we can reliably infer that He is masculine. And since He is the Father of everyone and the King of everything, and since fatherhood and kingship are inherently masculine, we can even go so far as to say that He is supremely masculine, the most masculine being in all of existence.

6186ec  No.771825


That's not a Christian, it's just a leftist skeptic intentionally misinterpreting theology to justify their depravity.

a9855f  No.771960


>Technically the male gender belongs to Jesus Christ humanity

Is the human person not God?

>fully human being of the male sex and fully God

Yes, God in the flesh. The man is God.


>God IS the category of masculine

Masculinity is a creaturely category. God is not masculine, rather, masculinity is like God.


No it's scriptural

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530c9e  No.771492[Reply]

The untold secret of why Roman Catholics actually love baptists like Steven Anderson and wish there were more like him.

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530c9e  No.771871


>there is a critical distinction between Sola Scriptura of Reformed though and the King-James-Onlyism of Independent Fundamentalist Baptists

Care to explain?

cfc084  No.771876


It just comes down to traditions once again.

495c91  No.771891


If God prophesied the abuse and murder of the Messiah centuries before the Son entered into flesh, doesn't that mean He allowed those sins to take place in time?

Course Calvinists believe that the LORD will judge the world according to their sins, but it wasn't like He didn't know what would've and prevented certain atrocities.

I'm curious what your answer to this, as I have always struggled with this question.

bd0227  No.771938


>doesn't that mean He allowed those sins to take place in time?

Yes but the question is did God want those sins to take place? White is trying to claim that if God cannot save a person against their own will then it's a limitation of his power, Horn is pointing out that God wants to save all people but He isn't going to impose it on them, it is not a limitation of his power much like the fact God wants all men to reject sin but clearly sin still exists is not a limitation of His power.

de6717  No.771940


Ironically, I had the opposite change after watching his debates.

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f43b5c  No.763310[Reply]

What are some good Christian YouTubers who use their platform in order to speak truth and guidance? Is Fr. Mike Schmitz good?

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8076c8  No.771648


>accept Peter Dimond into your heart

No thank you

3dd6eb  No.771859


good one

0ea53e  No.771863


I know how confirm it. Sedes are even more crazy about their succession laws than even the staunchest Catholics.


Believe all the footnotes you want, won't make either of those bozos more or less holier-than-thou than they already are.

Damn gnostics.

Let me see them do miracles, if they're beyond doing charity and helping those in need.

Otherwise let them spew whatever vile upon others. God will sort us all out either way.

23741d  No.771923

If you're interested in geopolitics from a Christian perspective, Blackstone Intelligence is pretty good:


6ea129  No.771932

I'm pretty fond of Theopneustos man.

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