/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>261572

As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

The baptists, of which I belong, have no need for apostolic succession, because we are all apostles and brothers in Christ. Christ is the head of each church and we have a pastor appointed who is a spiritual guardian. If you start with this apostolic succession, you basically say that one person, the pope (or patriarch as you call them) is somehow spiritually superior to everyone else.

You set up kings.

Why do that? Simply because you are lazy, and have been for a millennia, you orthodox keep repeating that you are the true church, the ancient faith and its because you need to keep reinforcing the lie.

You're no better than the RCC. And protestantism scares you, because its fanatical, and history has proven that protties are willing to die for their faith.. Meaning you can't bully or threaten submission. Orthodox came from Rome, and repeats Rome's lies and scriptural manipulations.

Seriously, theology from hymns and pictures! Anything to avoid the bible.

>>261569

>Penance

I'm not going to even bother finding the innumerable verses on this topic, it's pretty much in every other page of the Old Testament. If you mean auricular confession, then this is based off the interpretation in Matthew 16:19 where it says that the mystical body of the Church is given the keys to heaven, and that it has the power to remit sins.

Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, whatever you forgive on earth will be forgiven in heaven.

>Works salvation

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A14-26&version=NKJV

Very protestant interpretation on this issue but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezXufQWvIlw

The Protestant view of salvation merely says that works are fruits of faith, and without fruits you do not have faith. The Catholic/Orthodox view is that you gain justification by living a righteous life (and faith), and this is only possible by Christ.

>Papal infallbilty

I am Orthodox, and do not believe this.

>Purgatory

I am Orthodox, and do not believe this.

>Perpetual virginity

This is what the Church believed since the start. Martin Luther believed it. The only argument against seems to be that James, who was the cousin or half-brother (in that the son of Joseph, as Jesus' "father") of Jesus. We see the word 'brother' used frequently in the bible. In this case I am inclined to trust tradition.

>Prayers for the dead

All protestants must necessarily believe in an intermediPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>261557

>Protestant

>satanic Freemason

Pick one

>implying Freemasons are satanists

This is some euro tier ignorance here

>>261557

>pulling the Word of God out of people's hands and calling them heretics for wanting to understand scriptures on a personal level

>I'm the one who's codemning people to hell

>>260246

This.

Satan's counterfeit church persecuted and killed millions of Christians during the medieval ages.

The Protestant Reformation brought back pure Biblical Christianity.

Catholicism is full of pagan and occult/gnostic elements.

It was common knowledge in those times that the Papacy was the antichrist.

The problem with their feasts is that they are a reflection of how they just want to be part of a special tribe.

Christmas isn't celebrated because it's part of any law.

>>261916

i have yet met anyone on this board or any other christian irl say jews can't jew around, and that doesn't mean i prefer it either.

although similar tradition and ritual celebration aren't the same either. Jewish celebrations are tribal, only jews can join jewish x.

Roman Catholicism is a religion of works.

They are the Pharisees of Christendom.

Old news.

>>261882

It's Protestant. Other than that it's pretty good.

>>261886

>It's Protestant

It's Christian, yeah.

>nationalist abominations

You let the b8 slip

>>261621

>it up to debate which ones are more.

Nope. There's no debate, the most corrupt government in the world is that of the USA; closely followed by North Korea.

>>261246

We can make the same argument about all the American Zionist Christians who are brainwashed by the Scofield Bible.

>Wanting a king (Putin)

>>261462

>>261520

>>261698

10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[a] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

>>261450

>Also, to address the subject of the thread, I think it's worth pointing out that sex abuse is an absolute intrinsic evil, whereas supporting Putin and his regime is debatable.

And how does one know that the only sin of the Orthodox is nationalism? Let's face it Russian (or any other country where orthodoxy is popular) stats are not the most reliable….. who is to say Russia doesn't have a massive meth problem, youth huffing paint, Orphanages where thePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>259212

St. Augustine brought up Onan as his argument. I still think he was mistaken and did not understand levirate marriage or Judaism. The Lust argument is the only real one.

>>259205

Did you even read the catechism? Read it and then come back and say what you think it teaches on your question.

>>258756

Porn (much like anything) can follow the psychological definition of addiction. Does a tolerance develop? Do withdraw symptoms form? There is not a one size fits all answer for addiction. However, some definitely can need a "stronger fix" of porn. In other words these people build a tolerance and therefore may be building an addiction. Many behavior and cognitive factors can play a role in the addiction.

TLDR: You're fighting pseudoscience with biased pseudopsychology

Onan story is about taking use of a widow.

that said, www.yourbrainonporn.com

It's not really the physical act of masturbation that is the problem.

It's what leads to it.

Masturbation is linked to lust, and that is a sin.

So stop having lustful thoughts towards women or simply get a wife.

This it?

books

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movies

https://8ch.net/christian/res/248985.html

>Heliocentric Hoax

http://lapidesclamabunt.angelfire.com/hoax.htm

>The Greatest Lie On Earth

http://www.amazon.com/The-Greatest-Lie-Earth-Moving/dp/1943056013

>Christian "Dark Age" is a myth

http://www.strangenotions.com/gods-philosophers/

>Theology & Eschatology

http://www.ichthys.com/

>100% accurate Biblical prophecies

http://www.reasons.org/articles/articles/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-for-the-reliability-of-the-bible

>Atheist Professor gets BTFO by Christian kid

https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

>Evolution Debunked

http://www.newgeology.us/presentation32.html

>Darwinism is the Greatest Deception

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMr278CMAIA

>Kent Hovind debunks Evolution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shyI-aQaXD0

>>260617

My thought was that Jesus was perfect so He always knew when it was right to be angry, while we are imperfect and although we can display righteous anger, we're still not righteous enough to have that right.

This thread speaks lengths to me. I am not a Christian (I agree with many teachings of Christ but do not adhere to them in a religious sense, just a philosophical one) but I have always lived a life led by anger. I suffered from anger issues as a child and had violent tendencies. I've always considered my anger to be a powerful, useful tool for dealing with life issues in spite of many psychiatrists and other mental healthcare specialists' attempts to curb my anger. I need to feel like I can stand my ground to make a point. I don't want to be a pushover and I want to protect myself from harm.

/christian/, I'm conflicted. I'm a naturally angry man and yet, I'm also a naturally kind man. I hate to be the generic "I can be a nice guy unless you get on my bad side!!" type but what is the worth in Christ's realm of someone like me? In the kingdom of God, where do I stand? I want to believe, /christian/. But I've always had a bit of a personal crisis as to what I'm capable of and what kind of person it makes me.

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/3158.htm#article8

>>261834

I would say my advice is that discretion is the better part of valor. Almost all instances of anger can screw you and set your goals back. It has purpose, but you cannot let it consume your or lead you to make short sighted decisions. Always plan long term.

As for your faith, it was the philosophy of Christ that has been my proof. Those who follow his teachings have a good life. They are frequently blessed with land and children and a good life, even a virgin wife.

Meanwhile those who do what is right in their own eyes (my parents) end up in a trailer smoking weed/Drinking beer all day raising a kid who isn't even theirs with a used up single mom.

I seriously don't care if there is a heaven. I am convinced this society of Christendom is Superior to the natural way. Is it a scam to make people be better citizens? Who cares, I love this society, and I hate the one I grew up in.

This is why I am convinced there is a God and he is our God.

>>261779

you can LARP and imitate Jesus after you've fasted for 40days and 40nights straight.

don't assume that the dream had divine origins OP

either way, obama shone a light allright

all of the ways be broke the law and should've been impeached by now, he shone a light on the corruption in america

what is the plan? it's probably marital law in order to establish the one-world government they want, the NWO and/or make obama have a third term

that so-called democracy spring stuff funded by george soros who works for the rothschilds aka redshields comes to mind, and they'd probably be on the third beam if "democracy spring" turns out the way they want it to

presumably he'd want to establish marital law either right before donald wins the nom, right when donald wins the nom, or right after donald wins the nom, or right on new year's eve

if you wanna know more about "democracy spring", theres a sticky on /pol/ about it

>>261868

I didn't have the interpretation, a possibility that came to my mind is that Obama is the antichrist, the name Lucifer (Hillel) means light bearer or crescent.

>>261870

Lookup this post and it totally fits, Something along these lines

I don't believe the jumpers are in hell. I never liked Augustine's idea of suicide as totally unforgivable. I think ecentually the Catholics will allow funerary mass for those who an hero. Not to encourage it of course. NONE of us should kill ourselves.

From Medieval knights to King Saul, lots of people commit suicide in battle rather than face a slow death.

Remember Jesus was assured death on the cross. As long as he could hold himself up he would live and breathe. Yet he gave up the ghost and when the soldiers came to break legs, Jesus had already slumped and died. Was this suicide? I don't think so. He was doomed already.

Considering the motive of the attackers, the Christian ones could be considered martyred for their faith. We were targeted for being non-Muslim. Sure they mainly hit NY atheists, but Christians were killed as well.

>>261795

This made me think of assisted suicide with terminally ill people. I looked on Catholic forums to see what they said about 9/11 jumpers. Most said they weren't damned because they were dying either way and jumping just spared them from a painful slow roasting. BUT ISN'T THAT THE EXACT SAME TYPE OF SCENARIO AS A GUY WHO COMMITS SUICIDE BECAUSE HE'S DYING OF A PAINFUL TERMINAL ILLNESS? Either way, he's dying relatively soon. He can end it quickly and peacefully, or leave his illness to slowly, painfully destroy him. How is a ill person who commits suicide any different morally from a 9/11 jumper?

>>261852

>muslims did 9/11

nice meme

Moving away from smoke and intense heat is an innate biological reflex. They literally didn't have a choice about jumping, so they're not culpable.

I wouldn't really call running away from a fire suicide tbh.

>There's actually been highly-religious Christian families of the victims who have declined investigation of the remains that could have been their loved ones out of fear that they were Jumpers and the idea of their loved one's last actions being a 'sin' is traumatizing.

Need a source for this. I could see families declining such things just because they wouldn't want to know either way because what's the point.

> ID: 59666e

btw the power of Christ compels you

I've researched this THOROUGHLY! So both claim to be of Mary, however there is an anomaly in Matthew. It skips a few people and organizes in groups of 4 until the last one.

This says Joseph was the father of Mary in Greek. HOWEVER there is a simple explanation and why most translations say Joseph was the husband of Mary.

The genealogy would have been kept in Aramaic where both father and husband are the same word literally meaning "Patriarch of the house" Early church fathers refer to a book called the Gospel if the Nazarenes that was just Matthew without the first two chapters. This geneaology may have been added later by a guy translating literally.

Origen (Who was not sainted and has a history if lying) Claims personal friends who were relatives of Jesus showed him their copies of the genealogy and said both were of Mary, but literally most everyone's husband died early and there was levirate marraige attributing kids to the brother of their dead husband.

I literally stayed up two nights researching this in original tongues because it bothered me so much.

So for the tl;dr yes they are both legit.

>>261673

http://www.equip.org/perspectives/the-genealogy-of-jesus-genealogical-difficulties-in-matthew-and-luke/

The Genealogy of Jesus: Genealogical Difficulties in Matthew and Luke

THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS- Introduction

As far back as the third century A.D. people have wrestled with the question of who Joseph’s father was. Here in Matthew it says: Joseph is the son of Jacob, — in Luke it says Heli is Joseph’s father.

THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS- Who Is Joseph’s Father?

With the wide assortment of solutions that have been proposed to explain who Joseph’s father was, the issue becomes not so much whether this problem can be resolved but, rather, which answer presents the best solution. Well, while there are a lot of ways to clear up the apparent difficulty — here’s what I think is the most reasonable:

THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS- Two Different Lineages for Two Different People

The two genealogies are going to vary obviously because they trace two very different lineages of two very different people. Matthew charts Joseph’s line, while Luke charts Mary’s. The genealogy found in the opening chapter of Matthew is intended to legitimize Christ’s claim as Messiah and the rightful ruler over Israel, by charting the kingly line of succession to which Joseph belongs. Jesus (as the legal firstborn of Joseph) becomes the lawful Heir to David’s throne.

THE GENEALOGY OF JESUS- Why the Son of Heli?

On the other hand, Luke’s genealogy gives us the physical ancestry of Jesus, which also traces back to David. Of course the question can be asked: if Jesus’ line of physical descent is linked with Mary, why isn’t she included in the list? Why do we find Joseph once again — this time as the son of Heli? To explain the absence of Mary’s name, all wePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

http://www.equip.org/bible_answers/do-the-genealogies-of-jesus-in-matthew-and-luke-contradict-one-another/

>>261684

EVERYONE in Israel kept genealogy records. Their land ownership is based on genealogy. This would be the first thing the illiterates would be forced to memorize and the first thing anyone would write down if they could hire a scribe. Up until the captivity these genealogies were already recorded in the old testament. They only had to memorize or record the last 200 years.

When your entire society is based on bloodlines you WILL record them.

These genealogies could also skip generations. You could say "Grandfather begot Father" as well as "Grandfather begot Grandson" and they're both correct. Both genealogies list 14 generations between significant events, which is a sacred number.

>>261752

Thanks man, this actually helps a lot. I want to go to confession next available time which is Wednesday, but I hope I continue to have faith until then. I go through days where I believe in the morning, lose faith during the day and then may believe again at night. It is like a roller coaster. Please pray that I keep faith guys.

OP but my ID changed because I'm on my phone at class right now.

well I wrote a big post but I lost it and I don't feel like writing it again, but I will say that you should work on loving yourself instead of hating and reading more about Christian Kings and Christianity history before the15th century there you will understand Christianity and it will dispel the misinformed notions that you have that cause you a lot of anger. Make sure you don't read the cuckold shit where they try to superimpose their corrupted morals and judge righteous man, it just makes you angry when you realize that some uselessidiot who got his or her job because of quotas or being in the tribe is demonizing a good Christian and conveniently leaving out facts.

Also white is not a race, that is some Babylonian shit. You must be a burger if your race is not your nation.

Ignore the people who tell you that you're not supposed to be political, but the pope can be. That's some Pharaisaical garbage right there. Politics are fine but right now you need faith, not some guy jamming multiculturalism down your throat. I'd start by finding a group of men from your Protestant church and reading the gospels and prophets in the OT. Your priest has failed to help your faith and so has your pope. I did the exact same thing as you until I found some Christian brothers on this journey and my faith has greatly increased. Don't worry if the church isn't perfect - God said that even if you have 2 pieces of gold you should still invest it - life won't ever be perfect. I'll write more later I'm out now. Stay strong, op.

Sounds like you have a lack of faith - you're trying to replace multiculturalism with /pol/ and you will fail

> importing all the muds

How many times have you been personally harmed by a dark skinned person? Statistically you've been harmed many more times by whites, but immigrants are just a convenient punching bag for you to avoid personal change. Is the root of your angst really a few black people?

>Also, I am hoping you teach me the truth about magic and the occult, if it is all evil or maybe good

It's all evil. Read what Samuel did with the witch at En-Dor.

>"Fringe Knowledge for Beginners" by Montalk

Ditch this garbage and read some real Scripture/Christian philosophy. If you're determined to be Catholic pick up a copy of Peter Kreeft's Christian Apologetics. I'd recommend that you go back to your Protestant church and even your Catholic one and join every bible study/organization that interests you. Get off the internet and try to be a person too busy to look at porn.

>Sorry if this seems lengthy and maybe doesn't make a lot of sense, I started typing not really knowing what to say and this just kind of came out.

We're happy you posted here, stay strong!

> I need some guidance and I don't know why I am posting here because I don't think I entirely believe in Christianity

Then pray for faith. You'll have faith in the supernatural, yes? Why not supernatural stuff with actual facts? What is upsetting you? What can't you believe?

>>261696

>

The Christian God is simply an ancient form of meme magic that has lost its power due to people not caring about this Christianity 'meme' anymore.

Meme magic is real. And we can use it to create something much more desirable and wonderful than some patron sky-daddy. Pretty sure God is either vanished or powerless. That's the essence of meme magic - you got to GIVE power to it.

I think it is a joke. When it comes to idolatry as a threat to us I am more worried about the Santa Muerte tards.

>>261650

Religion is a meme in the psychological sense.

Countries used convert in one of three ways.

1. All the higher ups converted so I better convert if I want a good government job. (Putin, St. Constantine)

2. King converted so now I have to. ( Ethiopia, Hungary)

3. The Christians have money, I better convert if I want to do business with them (Medieval Scandinavia, Modern China)

There is an exception.

The precursor to method 1 is usually Rice Christians. They seem to be one of our few modern avenues for evangalism in free countries. We feed the poor, they join for food, before long we are the majority. (Korea, Vietnam) After that we become the majority and hive mind kicks in and people join us because we just laugh at the non-Christians as ridiculous pagan superstitions or neckbearded fedora virgins.

We are a meme.

Job

The destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah

Esther

It was alright I guess, but I was kinda bugged with Jesus' seemingly passive aggressive tone during his interrogation.

"You say I am"

"You say so"

Seriously whats that about?

>>261748

I had noticed it last year (when I wasn't as traditional then) but once again this year the priest deferred reading his portion to one of the college students at the college Mass.

I can only hope one day that I'll stay put at an orthopraxis parish.

>>261771

Because they had hardened their hearts and he did not want to play their word games.

I did the stations of the cross for the first time. I very much recomend this ritual. You really rededicate your life to Jesus.

I'm not a Catholic, but I may join after this. A Fransiscan seminarian explained it to me so I went for it. I would highly recommend it.