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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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54f3b6  No.761994[Reply]

Can we have a thread where we actually discuss the Crusades, without any larping? Just actually discussing the rights and the wrongs.

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440a8b  No.762685

>>762573

>They attacked Constantinople

They did, and it was evil. But there's a bit more to it than that.

>Underfunded Crusade

>Byzantines who aren't in power offer money to the Crusaders if they defeat the Byzantines who are in power

>Crusaders do so

>Scheming Byzantines come into power

>Don't have money to pay the Crusaders

>Crusaders chimp out

Let's also not forget that a few decades prior the Latins living in Constantinople were slaughtered by Byzantines.

We can play the blame game but this happened a long time ago, wrong was committed on both sides.


cb6297  No.762693

>>762595

They are called the "Albigensian Crusades"

And they were wrong.

I think that letting the cathars develop their own views would have benefited christian theology in the end. While many of their doctrines could've been rejected, some of their mistakes could have given us glimpses of the greater overarching truth of God.

But what's done is done, and for better or worse, here we are with a history full of mistakes and tragedies. That being said Crusades were not all bad, and I think we should have another one, but do it right this time.


529ce6  No.762929

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A blessing and a curse to us middle eastern Christians. On one hand, the crusaders inflamed the already hostile Muslim Christian relations and we got caught in the middle. They also pushed Byzantium over the edge and persecuted Arab orthodox Christians in the holy land as if they were Muslim too.

However, on the other hand, the French crusaders were pleasantly surprised to find the Maronites, fellow Catholics, who were the only people who greeted them welcomingly. The Maronites has been living in mountain valleys for centuries and had long awaited the arrival of catholic reinforcements. Up to 40,000 Maronites fought with the crusaders, many taking the role of crossbow archer. It was at this crossroads of history that the destiny of the Maronites truly began. From then on we had a consistent relationship with France, who saved us from the ottoman Turks and later created Lebanon, the only Christian-led middle eastern nation. Without Lebanon, Christianity in the Levant May have had a far different outcome. As a Maronite myself, the crusaders were a curse when it came to our relationship with Muslims and orthodox, but also a blessing that empowered us.


186c3a  No.762939

>>762585

Hey, did u write this comment >>762068 of your own accord?

I'm asking because >>762382.

Can a MOD confirm this please, I assume you can see deleted comments? Maybe the Islamo-Christian ecumenist MODS took offense with my wording ("removing muslims"/"freeing from muslims", whatever it was).


2c3e83  No.763012

>>762939

yes, i am the author of both of these comments.




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398273  No.758738[Reply]

Covington Catholic student taunts and mocks Native American

‘It was getting ugly’: Native American drummer speaks on the MAGA-hat-wearing teens who surrounded him

http://archive.today/2019.01.20-063348/https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/video-shows-teen-boys-taunting-native-american-man-at-march/

Online videos showing students from Covington Catholic High School during Friday's March for Life event confronting and mocking members of the Indigenous People's March in Washington, D.C. have brought widespread condemnation against them and their school. Apologizing on behalf of CovCath and the Diocese of Covington, a spokesperson said Saturday that students involved could be expelled. The videos show one person among a group of CovCath students face to face and smirking at an Indigenous People's Marcher singing and playing a hand drum near the Lincoln Memorial. The marcher was identifed as Nathan Phillips, an Omaha Nation elder and Vietnam veteran. Others surrounding the small group of marchers are shown laughing and taking pictures or videos with their phones.

"I was scared, I was worried for my young friends. I don't want to cause harm to anyone," Philips told CNN's Sara Sidner . "I don't like the word 'hate.' I don't like even saying it, but it was hate unbridled. It was like a storm." The crowd kept growing as Phillips and the boy stood face to face, but Phillips kept on chanting and playing his drum. "What the young man was doing was blocking my escape. I wanted to leave. I was thinking, 'How do I get myself out of this? I want to get away from it,'" Phillips said. Some in the group wore wearing "Make America Great Again" caps and clothing that connected them to the Tri-State. A few can be seen wearing Covington Catholic spirit wear and some others can be seen wearing Cincinnati Bengals clothing.

"This one kid just refused to move and he just got in Nathan's face," she said. Other boys circled around, she said. "They just surrounded him and they were mocking Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7d75eb  No.760980

>>760217

I’m not, you spud. I’m siding with the Catholics as they are pro-life. Read my post, spazz.


712c3b  No.760985

>>760945

>Being a Christian is "alt-right" now, which is why people should take those labels with a grain of salt.

Exactly. Plenty people use the label to describe something they dislike.

>Oh you are anti faggotry? >>>alt right

>Oh you are against race mixing/migration >>>altright

>Oh you are X , I dislike X, you are altright

Meanwhile "Alt right" has no definition, no manifesto, no rules no nothing. If people cannot define it, it makes as much sense as conservatives calling anything they dislike "communism". It makes no sense.

Meanwhile "alt right" is full of faggots and nihilists, antichristians.

But a catholic that wears maga hat will eventually be called it because the media needs "faux target" - lumping all its political opponents into one group to be smeared by their lies. It makes very little sense to describe oneself as "altright" since it is literally nothing and everything. Nowadays it is the same as saying "I am not liberal"


8ace37  No.761796

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5bf923  No.762123

>>758767

>shitskins

Christian Identity


df9f3d  No.762983

Has anyone else seen Phil Robertson's video about this on Crtv?




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aaa53a  No.762247[Reply]

Where do the Orientals stand on the Thomist Divine Simplicity vs Palamist Essence & Energy theological divide?

I assume after separation for so long, they've developed their own "third way" theology. Can anyone who knows more than I do explain their stance?

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e85156  No.762483

>>762474

Since Jesus Christ is one person and Jesus Christ is God Almighty, its because of his incarnation as a Man that Mary can be called Mother of God.

We do not mean that she is the mother of the "divine side" of Christ, because God is uncreated and the Word proceeds eternally only from the Father.

But since Christ is God and Mary is the Mother of Christ since He came in the flesh as Man she is rightfully the Mother of God since God Himself came to this world from her womb.

I have no objection to the name Christotokos, but you guys should realise that the title Mother of God is an orthodox title, even if you guys prefer not to use it according to your eccleasiastic traditions.


313492  No.762495

>>762483

We do realize this, and we do not object to your preference. I'm just explaining how we view it and why we say Mother of Christ instead.


e85156  No.762506

>>762495

OK brother, I can only hope one day we can be one again.


bac9a1  No.762874

>>762380

>That's because Nestorius actually didn't hold the heresy that he was accused of.

Even to this day all orientals claim to be orthodox and falsely accused in heresy. But if this is so, then why don't they accept the dogmatic definitions of Ephesus and Chalcedon?


e85156  No.762921

>>762874

Interesting indeed. If they aren't nestorians what stops them from accepting the Councils?




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e23352  No.760273[Reply]

New York state just celebrated…CELEBRATED…passing a law that would allow people to painfully murder babies right up until the moment they pass through the birth canal, and allows non-doctors to perform the procedure. Here's the procedure in its horrific entirety.

Step 1: This fully formed human infant, capable of feeling pain and surviving outside the womb, is injected with digoxin, a cardiac inhibitor used for lethal injection. In Tennessee, inmates are suing to be allowed a firing squad as the alternative to this drug, despite being given morphine to dull the pain, and people are considering this…as a form of mercy for unrepentant, adult murderers, but not innocent infants. The injection is delivered via a large needle directly to the infant's heart.

Step 2) If the infant survives this (which isn't uncommon), they are injected again.

Step 3) Once the baby has been fully murdered, the monster who conceived him/her carries the corpse around in her womb for a few days.

Step 4) If it doesn't occur on its own, labor is induced in this excuse for a human being so she can deliver the 6 lb. corpse of the human being who was forced to endure an excruciating death before taking his/her first breath for the convenience of a degenerate hedonist.

They aren't told this, btw. Abortionists like to pretend babies can't feel pain until they're born. The emotionally manipulative story that opens the "New Yorker" piece on this has the mother saying the child couldn't have survived and she didn't want him to suffer. He suffered far more than if she had carried him to term.

Not sure if New York is this way, but in some states, it is fully legal to murder a living child who is born alive during an abortion, and even if it's not legal, it happens anyway in order to avoid being sued by parents who are now responsible for a child they can no longer legally murder.

Sweet Lord, I pray, I have lost hope that my country can be spared your righteous judgement, but I beg you to remember your flock in the midst of your wrath.

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75bba8  No.762628

>>762398

No I did not. I saw a headline. I responded.

To be fair, that was some serious murdoch press-tier sensationalist headline-making


8d2db1  No.762636

>>762626

Yeah I wouldn't want some scumbag to get away with murdering a relative.

But to be honest I have recently pondered the possibility that it could perhaps be more effective to treat crimes of passion and crimes of opportunity along with mere malice differently.

With crimes of passion people could be committed to a different kind of institution, while still a secure one, functioning more as an actual rehabilitative mental institute in which the convicted could be more easily released after 15-20 years if their rehabilitation is deemed to have been successful.

Of course the metrics for evaluating such a thing would be likley to not be without much controversy, along without potential for individuals to pursue a deceptive plea to such in court. For current governments it's just easier to treat it as a thing to be budgeted making cuts to government institutions when desired and even resolving to the release of inmates due to overcrowding and inhumane conditions.

Rather than actually provide something to adequately satisfy the needs of society though, it appears to be easier to just wield the threat of incarceration along with incompetent authorities to the convenience of those with more power and wealth.

For a solution from a religious perspective as you propose, I think forcing them to take a vow of penance and pursuing a life of pious devotion while being incarcerated, on pain of excommunication and subsequent annulment of any clemency, could be a feasible way to go about it.


8d2db1  No.762641

>>760452

>>760586

>they intentionally keep the animal alive while bleeding it.

Gee, I don't know man, you'd think they wouldn't be "bleeding" the animal if it were dead.

>But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Halal slaughter is actually similar to the way prescribed by the Bible and is probably a more humane method short of modern implementations. Say what you want about Muslims and Islam but no need to libel things dishonestly. I wonder if God fearing peasants in places like medieval Czechoslovakia could be held to such a standard.


170b93  No.762718

>>762626

>some /pol/lacks just lust for the blood of the guilty

>justice is /pol/ now


18e7ee  No.762742

Bloody (((Italians)))




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2f9267  No.761588[Reply]

In shot at Trump, Pope says walls sow fear, divide…

When the crowd replied "builders of bridges," Francis replied, "You learned well. I like that."

http://archive.today/2019.01.25-225037/https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/25/americas/pope-walls-panama/index.html

Panama City, Panama (CNN) — Pope Francis has taken another shot at wall-building politicians, telling thousands of Catholics in Panama gathered for World Youth Day that "builders of walls sow fear" and "divide people." "We know that the father of lies, the devil, prefers a community divided and bickering," Francis told a crowd of tens of thousands of youth Thursday night at a seaside park in Panama City. "This is the criteria to divide people: The builders of bridges and the builders of walls, those builders of walls sow fear and look to divide people. What do you want to be?" When the crowd replied "builders of bridges," Francis replied, "You learned well. I like that."

The Pope's remarks seemed to be a clear reference to President Donald Trump's proposal to build a wall along the US-Mexico border. Trump's demand for $5.7 billion for the wall has led to a partial government shutdown for 34 days and counting. On Wednesday, after Trump tweeted a new slogan, "Build a wall and crime will fall," a journalist on the papal plane asked Pope Francis about Trump's proposal. The Pope said such measures are driven by fear. "It is the fear that makes us crazy." It wasn't the first time Trump and Francis have tussled over the proposed border wall. "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," Francis said in 2016. "This is not the gospel." Trump immediately fired back, calling Francis' comments "disgraceful." "No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith," he said in a statement.

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5f8f94  No.762699

>>761588

Who isn't fine with more Mexican Catholics in the United States? Its far better than the host of Atheistic groups now here.


783ec7  No.762701

>>761588

He's got a look on his face like he just realized he's going to have excise the entire book of Nehemiah from canon.


5cfecf  No.762704

>>762699

the problem is that they come in illegally and leech off of our system while also sending the money back in the Mexico depriving Americans their money.

it also doesn't help that human trafficking is way easier to conduct in absence of a wall. Also Christians don't break the law and disrespectful their country's sovereignty.

These illegals are as Christian as Hillary Clinton is president.


978e26  No.762706

>>762704

Exactly: I am a migrant myself, “catholic” in a Country which is not mainly Catholic and I came here legally and I respect the laws and work a honest job. Plus, too many “catholics” nowadays…who don’t know their own faith or God at all.


5cfecf  No.762719

>>762706

And you know what? God bless you and your family for doing it the right way. Im glad you agree that illegal immigration and the crimes that come with it need to be stopped.




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e42acc  No.762074[Reply]

Christanons,

I’m building a custom AR15 for my birthday and will be engraving the lower (magwell, safety etc) with stenciled artwork. I’d really appreciate posting of any kind of Christian artwork fit for this, especially with militarist themes suitable for a weapon of war. I’m already considering a “NO KING BUT CHRIST” stencil on the magwell, and Mathew 10:34 somewhere else

>inb4 le ebic doos valt

>inb4 larp

Any denomination is welcome, but emphasis on catholic and orthodox “Old World” aesthetics.

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e7e718  No.762097

>>762091

>i have no idea what I'm doing

Where did you get this from? I'm an experienced gun owner looking to build something special.

>I want to make some kind of a religious statement I can show off to everyone so they know how cool and religious I am

the only people who think this way are obese range queens. Why do you think everyone is as conceited as you?

I live in a rural area where rifles are a part of daily life. Having this one as a ranch rifle and self defense weapon doesn't mean I fit in to your sour little mind's binary categorization of either "cool" or "trying too hard".


2c4b29  No.762105

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>>762074

Here are some crosses you can engrave


e5bed6  No.762134

CAEDITE EOS. NOVIT ENIM DOMINUS QUI SUNT EIUS.


139bbf  No.762650

Luke 22:36 would be good


d15ee8  No.762668

"καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν" or "et lux in tenebris lucet, et tenebræ eam non comprehenderunt."




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2cb54a  No.761477[Reply]

Coming to Jesus, armed: Virginia Senate OKs guns in churches…

"Blessed be the lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle."

http://archive.today/2019.01.25-170033/https://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/virginia/article_1113da8a-209d-11e9-847b-c34ec08bfea9.html

Virginians could legally bring their guns to church under a bill that cleared the state Senate this week and sparked an emotional debate over whether packing heat in a house of worship constitutes a snub to the Almighty. "Psalm 46 said, 'God is our refuge and strength,'" Sen. Lionell Spruill Sr., D, said as he argued against the measure Thursday. "Now we are saying with this bill, we no longer trust in God." The bill repeals a law thought to date to Colonial times which makes it a misdemeanor to "carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship" during religious services.

While Virginia has a strong gun culture and some of the nation's most lax firearms laws, churches have been gun-free zones - although the "good and sufficient reason" language offers a loophole. In 2011, then-Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, R, issued an opinion that the ban would not apply to someone with a concealed-carry permit. Some Republicans contend that makes the existing law unenforceable. They also said plenty of Virginians are already coming to Jesus (or Allah or whomever) armed. Sen. Richard Black, R, wants to repeal the law. He made note of mass shootings at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in 2012 and at an African Methodist church in South Carolina in 2015 as he pitched his bill on the Senate floor.

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1e65f2  No.762569

>>762562

I'm sorry, but this isn't /pol/. Your delusions mean nothing to us here.r


71ce37  No.762594

>>762562

>When you're triggered so hard by others being in favor of their right to bear arms that you have to create a work of fiction to cope


63842f  No.762651

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63842f  No.762653

>>762562

>when the koolaid hits you


1fa29b  No.762716

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>>762562

>I think gun owners are just like the caricatures in the motion picture box




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7bfd3f  No.756516[Reply]

Weed is a sin.

If you are using marijuana you creating a negative impact on your spiritual life.

This is a drug. It is a drug that ruins your mind. Stop using it.

Sincerely, an ex-user.

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b4685a  No.758429

>>758259

I think you're junpjng to conclusions


dff4fa  No.760142

>>756912

Marijuana causes intoxication, and that is certainly a sin.


27218c  No.760220

>>757355

Not a pot head, just playing devils advocate. Jesus Christ wouldn't have smoked tobacco, at least in my mind, and that is something known to not be intrinsically sinful.


56a49d  No.762499

>>757347

only smart person ITT

>all of the prots here relying on sola scriptura


ae7017  No.762549

>>762499

Who cares about some perpetually compromised institution's rulings on the matter? For all we know they could very well change it in the future, then wot?

Divine intuition?

This is why evidence from other sources is also necessary.




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3fe1d1  No.762117[Reply]

Justify Anglicanism in the face of Catholics and Orthodox.

Also Anglican General

Anglican orders are valid.

If Anglican Orders are invalid, then neither are post-Vatican II Catholic orders, and the only Bishops currently valid are the SSPX Bishops.

The removal of language on sacrifice and propitiation in the Anglican ordination rites, as critiqued by Pope Leo XIII, were done in the Catholic Ordination rites after Vatican II. The same is true of the stripping of the altars, which took place both in the Anglican world post-reformation, and in the Catholic world post-Vatican II. All of this to say that either the Anglican church is legitimate, or the postconciliar Roman Catholic church is illegitimate.

For the criticism of Anglican Orders see Apostolicae Curae: http://www.papalencyclicals.net/leo13/l13curae.htm

For the way these criticisms boomerang on the Catholic Church see Michael W. Davies Order of Melchesidek:

http://www.catholictradition.org/Eucharist/melchisedech.htm#CONTENTS

Christianity in the British Isles was Historically separate from Rome

Christianity in the British Isles comes from the Celts.

The Celtic Christianity came from Syrian Christianity.

After the Romans left Britannia, the Christianity that took the place was Celtic Christianity.

Even after the Celts were brought in communion with Rome, their own peculiar eccelesiology remained, focused primarily around monastic communities and abbots, rather than bishops and lay priests.

The rule of the English church was reverted to Norman Bishops by William the Conqueror, however, the Normans became English, resulting in 500 years of English Catholicism as it existed during that period

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212b42  No.762437

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>>762429

I'll think about it.

Also;

>open hostilities so to speak

minor kek


fa3095  No.762453

>>762437

In any case you might want to read a letter from St. Augustine about marriage and chastity.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1507.htm

Book one is the one that talks about this.

Book II is a refutation of the pelagian attacks.


65f1f3  No.762459

>>762350

>That's good, but first you would need just one Bishop properly ordinated.

You know the male descended bishops got old catholic, lutheran and indian "blood" in them?

>probably even getting their own Patriarch.

How?

We have our patriarchs because we developed separatedly, and its in our tradition.

The british were a semi-independent province squarely under the direct jurisdiction of the Patriarch of the West.

Assuming they returned under his fold today, they would, at most, get a major archbishop, like Ukraine.


fa3095  No.762462

>>762459

I was thinking of a Patriarch like my country has, the Patriarch of Lisbon.

He is subjected to the Patriarch of the West, aka the pope.


212b42  No.762472

>>762453

Ok, I'll look at it




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2811dc  No.762112[Reply]

There's one thing I don't understand about Fundamentalists. They all claim to be Biblical literalist, like they believe in young earth creationism, they interpret prophecy literally, they believe the Bible teaches science, they hold the Bible to he 100% infallible in every matter even those outside of faith & morals. Yet for some reason they suddenly become rationalists when it comes to things like the Eucharist, which they believe to only be a symbol for Jesus's body and blood despite him clearly saying otherwise in John 6:55. They also, for example, reject the notion that baptism is necessary for salvation even though the Bible on numerous occasions say it is like in 1 Peter 3:21 and Mark 16:16. I don't get it, why do they hate the sacraments so much? What is the reason for it?

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18b4bd  No.762302

>>762286

>Because the Eucharist does not save your sins.

Regardless if it does, that's not the issue anyways. You're going in with the assumption that Church is about some One and Done sense of Salvation. It's more than that. And Christ told you to do it in remembrance of him. That should end all discussion right then and there. The Big Man told us to do it.

Not EVERYTHING he said had to do with simply salvation.. but actually, most of what he said had to do with our total walk and commitment to him. This may be the most disgusting thing about Protestants actually.. to leave the sum total of theology to salvation (in the past tense). I've literally heard one preacher (RC Sproul) outright say that Jesus could have very well just have been incarnated as a grown man and died on the cross on day 1… that everything else he said or lived took a sidestep. This is how insanely radical Protestantism really is. And selfish, I might say. It's a religion that says "Me, me, me. My Salvation. Me. Me. Me. Who cares about anything else Christ asked of us or did."

If you feel angry and don't see yourself in that last statement, then good! There's hope for you yet. :)


317544  No.762303

>>762302

>I heard something somewhere

>this shapes my viewpoint on an entire group of people

So what denomination can I blame for what just came out of your toilet?


0287b4  No.762466

>>762118

The substance changes. It stops being bread and wine and its now literally the body and blood of Christ.

But the accidents (i.e. aspect, physical properties) of bread and wine remain (well most of the times. Eucharistic miracles do happen)


1f91ef  No.762627

>>762128

>Robert jeffress

So memes upon memes is what we rely on for debates these days.


ec0728  No.762632

>>762128

underrated post




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f4beec  No.761751[Reply]

How bad/unhealthy does a habit have to be for it to be self-harm and therefore sinful?

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d44b31  No.762098

>>762021

at one time people may have. High-quality tobacco has a pleasant smell, the stench that we associate with it today is due entirely to cheap cigarettes. Moderate usage of addictive things, in a way that doesn't lead to dependence on them, isn't a bad thing.

>>761867

>Working out merely hurts your body, smoking destroys your lungs

I see, you're right, care should also be taken that no excessive damage is done.

For example, people drink and enjoy alcohol responsibly, the same can surely be done with tobacco.

>>761971

Cigars and pipes are smoked differently than cigarettes are, lessening the effects on the lungs. Now I would certainly object if someone I knew was smoking his pipe every day, multiple times per day, but once in a while is absolutely fine. No adverse affects; hell, my doctor doesn't even consider it 'tobacco use' when I mentioned I have a cigar once every few months or so.


d65a65  No.762102

>>761751

Its ok to do it if you aren't addicted IMO. Just enjoy a cigar once in a while and don't smoke a cig every day. Ask god to relieve you of the shit in your life, don't let drugs make your life shittier.


ad60e9  No.762277

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>>761751

>Is smoking sinful?

>Is cutting your skin sinful?

>Is sticking needles into your chest to trigger a heart attack sinful?

>Is piercing your ears sinful?

Do we reeeaaally need to be told something is sinful before we'll cease injuring ourselves doing it?

Is this how LOW the bar of human intellect and common sense has been set these days?


1d674b  No.762288

>>761751

>How bad/unhealthy does a habit have to be for it to be self-harm and therefore sinful?

The object is not sin the thing you do with it is potentially sin. You shouldn't-self harm, waste large amounts of your money, or create trouble for those around you (your exhaust fumes aren't humidifier mist.) Doing these things with reckless abandon is cruelty toward yourself and others.

>>761757

Heads: desperate for attention. Tails: wanted to delete a thread they don't like from the back of the catalog.

>>761774

>obesity

Is caused more by depressive inaction than eating. If you want to slay the obesity dragon then attack the despairing heart (metaphorically speaking.)

>drunkenness

Unless a person is so drunk that they're on the verge of losing consciousness, their behavior mostly amounts to lack of impulse control. People would control their impulses better - drunk or not - if society didn't spoil the guilty and transfer punishments to the innocent.

>cancer

You don't need a single cigarette to get cancer. Truth be told my own father smoked himself to death as an act of spite after waving the cancer card around like it was a credit card. The tobacco wasn't the problem; the mentality was. The same applies to a gun or a baseball bat or a boot or a jug of liquor.

>disease

Is not caused by sex per se; you can have sex fifty thousand times in your life and not catch herpes or HIV if you're having sex with the same person throughout and they're also only having sex with you. Likewise, the person who infects another through sex could also infect them through violence or drug use or even just being a lazy worker.

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>>762288 (checked)

>People who post these threads aren't asking for guidance they're just asking for a spectacle to eat popcorn in front of.

I know, but someone's gotta call out the people who think this is real, I guess.

Cuz (though I'm late to the party) I'm reading posts by people who unironically reply to "flat-earther" claims that Australia doesn't exist. Like they believe flat-earthers believe this stuff. Or are pretending to for the popcorn value.

(Personally, I find it funny.)

We're just getting meta on our meta meta-ing and I can't help thinking someone's gotta occasionally call it out

Even if I'm contributing to the whirlpool

t. Australian who's pretty sure he exists




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da7298  No.761982[Reply]

read this article and tell me these people shouldn't be killed. protip: you can't

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-abortion-law-in-new-york-will-change-and-how-it-wont

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762a99  No.762186

>>762146

You would need the majority of the population to agree with you. Even if you aren't talking about a democratically elected government, if most people are against such a government, you would be unable to force it on them. And if we ever got to the point where the majority were so devout and pro-life as to approve of such a government, abortion would be so taboo it would almost be a moot point.


df707c  No.762190

>>762186

who said anything about democracy?


762a99  No.762195

>>762190

Try reading the second sentence again, dude.


df707c  No.762199

>>762195

people who wouldn't want a government run by white male christians aren't the type of people to put any action behind their rhetoric anyway.


762a99  No.762206

>>762199

How could you force the majority to go along with this when most people disagree with it? Especially in the US where people are armed. Even if liberals aren't armed, a lot of armed people are not gonna go along with executing abortionists. You would need to get a majority on your side just as a pragmatic matter. Unless you are talking about starting some small secessionist Christian state, but that would not affect the abortion situation for the rest of the country. It's a cliche but you need to win hearts and minds before you can do anything else. It's not the divine right of kings era where people will just go along with whatever government orders.




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cd03da  No.761678[Reply]

I had a Jew tell me a guy named Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson was the Messiah. I told him Jesus is actually the Messiah but then he said Jesus is dead and not the Messiah because he fulfilled none of the prophecies about the Messiah. So I looked up this so called Rebbe and found that he is dead. So I got back to the Jewish guy but he told me this Rebbe isn't actually dead but in hiding until his second coming… He also told me he worships this Rebbe because he says he is a manifestation of God's hidden essence. So how do I respond to him? Why do Jews believe he is the Messiah and not Jesus?

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74ec04  No.761964

>>761950

I didn't mean you specifically, but OP clearly believes that one Chabad's opinion speaks for all Jewish people. And, yes, they're still considered Jewish because of maternal lineage. Even in Orthodox Jewish circles, one doesn't cease being Jewish for changing religions - including Christianity. If your mother is Jewish, then you are Jewish according to Jewish law. No exceptions.

Though I should point out that "Jews for Jesus" is a Baptist organization and not Jewish.


664c48  No.761973

>>761964

I've never heard a Jew refer to a Christian with a Jewish mother as a Jew. But okay. Jew can be both an ethnic and a religious category. But if I understand correctly, Lubavitchers are still considered to be practicing the Jewish religion, even if incorrectly. But if someone believes Jesus was the messiah they are never considered religious Jews - even if they believe in keeping Torah, etc., as some sects do. Seems inconsistent.


74ec04  No.761983

>>761973

>I've never heard

Solid evidence there, friend. I've never heard a Jew refer to Chabads as Jews, so I guess we even out.


dab655  No.762181

>>761914

>Maybe it's because European Christians persecuted Jews for centuries that they have such disdain for Jesus and Christianity? Yeah it's still a double standard but seriously, there is a logic behind this, it isn't some "MUH JEWISH CONSPIRACY" nonsense. Go back to /pol/ if you believe that crap.

I'm Asian. I don't care about whatever happened 1000 years ago in Europe. Considering how disastrous Europe is now that people are lax and welcome Jewish influence and power in their society, I can't blame the medieval era anyways. It seems they were on to something. Now the world is run by usury and gay Hollywood, both of which is completely dominated by Jews.

Besides, Christianity is from Israel and a branch of Judaism itself (real Judaism, when it had a temple. Not this pathetic excuse for Judaism in synagogues that rabbis try to convince people is authentic). So it isn't even European to begin with.


405c04  No.762198

>>761983

>Solid evidence there, friend. I've never heard a Jew refer to Chabads as Jews, so I guess we even out.

Look at literally almost any source online that mentions them and they will be referred to as a sect or branch of Judaism. Even if the source is non-Chabad Jews.




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88c066  No.761670[Reply]

We need to make a new holiday for Christians to redpill them on the crusades.

The holiday will be celebrated every November 27 the day the pope called for the crusades the holiday will be named Frankurban named after pope urban ii who called for a crusade to take back the holy land and defend mother Europa and named after the Franks who made up the majority of the crusaders who gave there lives so that we could be free to love christ.

The rituals will consist of morning prayer lighting candles reading bible passages (if possible go to church and pray) telling the real history of the crusades and why they started abstain from t.v, video games, social media, masterbation, porn, alcohol, soda, caffeine this includes tea and no smoking either.

(also dress your best men suit and tie comb your and trim it and women dress modestly with a modest long skirt dress tie your hair up professionally same with children dressed to impress)

The foods eaten on this holiday will consist like such below

For breakfast Pancakes mixed with grinded oatmeal

And topped with honey

No lunch only water through the whole day no alcohol or caffeine

Dinner pray before eating

the main course pork loin

Recipe: https://www.bigoven.com/recipe/roast-pork-loin-with-bacon-and-brown-sugar-glaze/349422

Boiled plain peas

And wheat pita bread

The dinner is based off foods the crusaders and Christians ate in Jerusalem.

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956beb  No.761734

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It's LARPy but I like the idea anyway and I think it would be a legitimately good folk tradition. My criticisms are that I think the name for it is kind of silly and the dietary customs are a bit too specific. Would celebrate.


59aa54  No.761736

Top tier larping tbh fam


13a54b  No.761832

>>761736

We are angry. Angry about Muslims.


7cf5e1  No.762062

>mother EUROPA

Take your pan European shit out of here.

One who believes in this shit is a traitor to their country.

And stop larping and using Christianity for political/ideological shit.


ccabed  No.762086

>>762059

gb2 karachan




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28138c  No.760910[Reply]

If you have to be baptized to be saved, and Jesus was 30 years old when he was baptized, would he have gone to Hell if he died in a freak accident before he was baptized?

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6cd02c  No.761126

>>761124

I am sorry for calling you Nestorian then. You just didn't word it very well at first.


cb18ea  No.761130

>>761119

>Do you think Jesus was just a man but He never sinned so He went to Heaven? Jesus was both God and man, and He went down into Hell and came back.

Jesus is both fully man and fully God, I did not mean to imply otherwise.


2611cf  No.761169

But Christ did go down to Hades.


381108  No.761242

>>760910

No, because he was sinless. He was the new Adam except he didn't screw things up like the first Adam did. And when we are in Christ, God regards us as legally sinless because Christ was sinless.


b891a0  No.761873

One must be baptized to be saved because,

1. They have inherited the original sin of Adam

and therefore

2. Are adopted by God through baptism.

As Christ was already sinless and the son of God his baptism was wholly symbolic.




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