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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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ba9410  No.803815[Reply]

I'm sure this has been asked before, probably many times in fact but just help me someone please, or at least direct me to a good source from an early Christian preferably who explains it well, it makes me feel like a brainlet.

Christianity often gets accused of polytheism, especially by Muslims, while I do understand that's not the case I almost feel like I can't really explain in solid terms as to why that is the case, it's three different persons of the same essence that make up God to my understanding, but many times we make sure to worship all three persons, just something as simple as crossing oneself is a sign of worship of all three persons at the same time innit?

So how is it not polytheism then when it's worshipping three seperate and different entities in their own right who can act independently of one another? And how does Mary fit into all of this, we ask her to intercede yes, but there's entire prayers dedicated to her and we ask for salvation from her, just feels borderline polytheism again, and while I know that's not the case I can't really put into words as to why that's not the case.

I also encountered the notion that the Holy Trinity is an invented concept deriving from theologians after the 1st century AD, and it has been made dogma in the 4th century basically, but it isn't directly mentioned, referred or even acknowledged in the Bible directly at least, despite being a very core and key rarely doubted concept, so what is the Biblical basis for it that would debunk the notion that it's a false doctrine that was invented later on?

Thank you beforehand for anyone willing to take their time to answer.

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a2f304  No.803911

>>803839

Interesting analogy in the end. So the Father Son and Holy spirit is like to a person, Mind, Body, & Soul, in that they are all equally representative & mandatory for that person to be whole but distinct in their own nature? Or would you put it something differently.


2aa0d5  No.803914

>>803911

St Augustine (and I think St Maximus the Confessor too) did make an analogy between "Father", "Son", and "Holy Spirit", and "memory", "understanding", and "will". Another would be "lover", "loved", and "love". Other Fathers make an analogy with "the Sun", "the sunrays", and "the Sun's heat". Or "a spring", "a fountain", and "a river".

Or we can simply look at the divine names themselves. The Son is the Father's spoken "word", which really represents the Father's being without being the Father, and this "word" carries and is made present by the Father's "breath", the Holy Spirit.

Another example that is liked by the Orthodox is St Irenaeus of Lyons speaing of the Son and the Holy Spirit as the "two hands" of God, but even this can be easily misunderstood, making the Son and the Spirit appear to be two "temporal emanations" of God the Father (and some counter-arguments to the filioque go in that direction, sadly).

But, you're right that one can see a triune image in the human being too, with the soul, the body, and the spirit. But like any other analogy, it's far from perfect, and in that case it could easily be misunderstood, I think.

Also, be careful around the word "nature", because it is synonymous with "essence".


186486  No.803916

>>803852

That’s not even what the account says. She died first, then her body was assumptioned.


f78f67  No.803924

The Trinity is the most important philosophical advance since Socrates and his followers started talking about God as the almighty orderer of all things.

John 1 says that the Logos, Jesus, was with God, the Father, in the beginning, and through Jesus all things were made. Jesus is eternally begotten of the Father.

The Holy Spirit is mentioned several times in the Gospels, such as when Jesus says we need to be baptized in His name.


e1bb23  No.803958

>>803815

> three seperate and different entities in their own right who can act independently of one another?

>I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)

>But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.(John 10:38)

>Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.(John 5:19)

>By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me.(John 5:30)

>For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.(John 12:49)

>Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. (John 14:10)

>Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.(John 14:24)




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78b12d  No.803248[Reply]

Did God perhaps use Islam to be a judgment on the Byzantines? I do not mean to say that Islam is somehow divinely inspired, but rather that God caused its rise or at least allowed it to serve his purpose of judging the Byzantines as he used the Assyrians and Babylonians to winnie the pooh up Israel. Notice how Islam was never able to ever penetrate deep into Europe, even despite all the odds at Tours and Vienna, Europe was always saved from Islamic threat. Iberia was maybe the worst casualty but that was reconquested and all the Muslims and Jews kicked out. Then Spain and Portugal went on to bring Christianity to the Americas and India. Yet Constantinople and the whole Byzantine Empire got raped by Islamic invaders and renamed Istanbul. Perhaps Islam is still around now to serve as a judgement against the modern day west and all its degeneracy lately.

I know this is all speculative and I cannot know the mind of God, but is this the most likely reason Islam exists?

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13aa17  No.803753

I think God frequently uses Islam to bop people who need it

*looks at western Europe*


846e63  No.803755

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>>803753

I do too.

God uses evil to do good all the time. He used The Babylonians to teach Israel a lesson in the OT. Now He is using Islam to teach the West a lesson here in the New Covenant.


0b1472  No.803756

>>803686

He willingly gave himself up, though.The same can't be said of the Byzantines.


5b2b62  No.803769

>>803248

I don't think God would do something like that. Remember all of the innocent people, who were murdered by Muslims. God wouldn't create a punishment that would punish more good people.


0506b7  No.803952

>>803398

Daily reminder that this guy was wrong.




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092d3c  No.802595[Reply]

http://archive.fo/jSLpv

Prominent clergymen and scholars including Fr. Aidan Nichols, one of the best-known theologians in the English-speaking world, have issued an open letter accusing Pope Francis of committing heresy. They ask the bishops of the Catholic Church, to whom the open letter is addressed, to "take the steps necessary to deal with the grave situation" of a pope committing this crime.

The authors base their charge of heresy on the manifold manifestations of Pope Francis' embrace of positions contrary to the faith and his dubious support of prelates who in their lives have shown themselves to have a clear disrespect for the Church's faith and morals.

Letter in DocumentCloud Here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5983408-Open-Letter-to-the-Bishops-of-the-Catholic.html

What are your thoughts?

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c9992e  No.802797

>>802716

>But fear not, for God will hear out lamentations and will give us a righteous Pope after Francis passes or resigns.

the prophecy of >>802597 suggests otherwise…


eaeea7  No.803084

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Audio version embedded. Oh boy.

>Protestants: check out all this degeneracy

<Pope Francis: hold my beer


b6c908  No.803877

>>802595

Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the open letter (see OP for link) is essentially part 2…

with part 1 being:

>Correctio filialis de haeresibus propagatis

>July 16th, 2017

> http://www.correctiofilialis.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Correctio-filialis_English_1.pdf


b6c908  No.803878

>>802649

>>803877

There is a much longer discussion of this issue in the July 17 letter (see my earlier post). See the first few pages of that, but also throughout.


924033  No.803885




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6425e3  No.803113[Reply]

Does /christian/ take the old testament literally or do you interpret the meaning of stories?

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291200  No.803734

Whichever the authors intended, we are to accept as is.


abb832  No.803752

>this thread again weeee!

But I lean towards a literal reading


de2fed  No.803760

Probably literal with a bit of “legendary tones” in it.


ca66db  No.803857

>>803667

I am aware that OT makes predictions of the messiah. Knowing he has come is comfort to me enough

I used to like reading. I can barely read without sleeping : /


7103c4  No.803869

>>803113

Interpretive, but I prefer to stay as close as possible to literal.




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0e792c  No.803702[Reply]

How do you reconcile your faith with the diversity of belief in human history? What about indigenous belief lile shinto, animism, bon and the like that are opposite of the abrahamic monotheistic paradigm? How come the natural faith of man isn't something closer to christianity? I know greek philosopher got close and I know we can deduce the existence of God from nature but this always seemed weird to me. Christian faith makes a lot of sense but it relies a lot on revelation that was limited to the vast majority of humanity for the vast majority of history, even if we assume young earth. Should we adopt a zeitgeist view of all religion pointing the same thing? I see a lot of christian philosophy in the tao te ching for exemple.

So to wrap this up, how did you come to term with this? Any source or books?

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873464  No.803793

Germans developed a theory called Urmonotheismus: basically there was one monotheistic religion and polytheism is merely a degraded version of it due to fetishization of inanimate objects and ancestor worship. There's also concept of Sky-Father which at first possibly denoted being Father of entire mankind and with emergence of polytheism concept degraded and represented to be merely head of the pantheon.

I consider this theory to be a good explanation and in line with Christian world view. And, obviously being shunned by modern day scholars.


bcf491  No.803798

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It is actually entirely the opposite.

If you look specifically at the founding of the western world and what was occurring during that time period you will find that everyone was practicing slavery. Africans, Native Americans, and even Europeans were being enslaved. Africans would enslave one another. And then you can add on indentured servitude and unfair taxation you will find that people were being used as a labor resource.

God bringing Moses out of Egypt is symbolic of that. The Romans and Egyptians and many other civilizations used slaves. It was just extremely common a thousand years and long before that.

In other words, why doesn't Christianity seem more similar to these other religions that have existed for a long time?

You are saying that everything inherent in Christianity seems estranged from these other religions, and yet looking at history it is clear that what is extensively relevant to virtually all people in recent times is enslavement. Why doesn't Christianity appear to be more like these natural religions? Why don't these other religions mention and reconcile the most terrible aspects of modern human life?


17f31b  No.803802

Religions throughout history are exactly what I would expect from the Biblical story. There's a lot of shared ideas. For example: sacrifice, a flood, patriarchs, etc. It's what I would expect to happen from a single source splitting off into disparate pieces and slowly forgetting the fine details. The reason why we even have the fine details ourselves is because God spoke directly to Abraham and Moses and their people. Otherwise, as the Bible heavily implies, they would have forgetten the LORD and the true faith.

I also think Paul's letter tot he Romans, or at least the first chapter, touches on this general topic:

>For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

>Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

>For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

>And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. ThPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


095a46  No.803804

actually, it is the similitude of all these pagans religions that make me believe. animism and the like all appear to be the same error through different cultural lens.

scripture tells us that the religion of MAN is to worship material objects, or to worship a diverse pantheon of gods (which is usually an extension from the material, frankly).

even in the new world, scripture still told the truth.


68dc82  No.803808

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>>803798

Nibba what

>>803802

>>803804

Yeah this all sounds very right. I guess it's just emotional issue on my part. I feel sad knowing almost all of humanity are wrong and stranded away from God. It feels wrong that we are wrong is what I mean




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94d83e  No.803335[Reply]

In Sacred Scripture, the relationship between God and the individual soul, and between God and his people, is often enough presented in terms of espousal and marriage. We see this in the prophets and in the psalms and, of course, in the Wisdom literature, especially the Song of Songs. So it is not surprising that in the case of Our Lady, who, quite literally, became the mother of God made man, she is in a certain sense the spouse of the Holy Spirit by whose creative power she became a virgin mother.

Thus it is that some spiritual writers use the expression “spouse of the Holy Spirit.” This expression is entirely in line with the description of the Holy Spirit’s relationship with her in St. Luke’s Gospel.

>If you have impure thoughts about Mary you're literally leering at God's bride.

Don't do it christbros.

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3750fe  No.803631

>>803628

I'm not saying it's from an article or something. Just some nonsense I've seen on certain Christian forum boards (I've seen it once on leddit and once here).

I know this isn't a mainstream belief at all, but that I would need to even argue about this to begin with is very annoying.

It's probably a sign that I should stop using the Internet though.


7e6f37  No.803638

Mary was married to Joseph in a human natural marriage, in her earthly life (see Matthew 1:25). However. In her spiritual marriage as a member of the Church (the body of Christ/the bride of Christ, see Ephesians 5:22) She is married to Jesus, the express image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15 & Hebrews 1:3). To the natural understanding people think that is strange, as though she is married to her Son. But it is her spiritual union being united and married back to her Creator.

In Jesus (the spirit of Christ) there is neither male nor female (Galatians 3:28). Therefore, men and women are in truth married to the Spirit of Jesus Christ. Yet as it is spiritual union, Mary being married to Jesus (in the Spirit) is not incest, and men being married to Jesus (in the spirit) is not homosexual, as family relationships and gender is a human finite limitation, but that is done away in Christ.

The Holy Spirit give you revelation.


6f974b  No.803678

>>803631

>I'm not saying it's from an article or something.

Then say this upfront. Don't put it inside quotes. Because the only results I've got from it with quotes were six hits: two from the same article from a James Likoudis where he mentions the remark from an unmentioned Orthodox priest in England, in quotes, "the ideology of papism, this ideology known as the filioque and stating that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Pope of Rome"; three from a blog called orthodoxengland.org.uk, which I presume must receive posts from the above mentioned priest, as they are very similar in wording; one from a 2007 thread in CatholicAnswers about the Filioque, where a poster says that "the Orthodox thought the Pope was self promoting himself to the level of infallibility (I guess as if to say the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Pope too)"; one last from r/OrthodoxChristianity, where the OP mentions hearing it on a podcast and to which someone in the thread replied "the Catholic Church does NOT by ANY means teach the Holy Spirit Proceeds from the Pope."

http://jameslikoudispage.com/Ecumenic/branassif.htm

https://thewandererpress.com/catholic/news/frontpage/a-protestant-views-the-filioque/

http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/euroatlantic-aggression-against-the-unity-of-holy-rus/

https://forums.catholic.com/t/the-filoque-why-is-it-important/87165

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrthodoxChristianity/comments/8b56n0/heard_an_explanation_of_the_filioque_on_our_liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


3750fe  No.803786

>>803678

>Then say this upfront.

… I already did.

>I need to care less about Internet Catholics and more about the Catholics I encounter in real life. . . . But stupid nonsense like . . . "the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Pope" and other crap I've heard here and on other websites . . .

I was talking about forum boards. Not mainstream things and definitely not something I would have encountered outside of the Internet.

Incidentally I didn't know that this is an attack we throw at the Catholics too.


3750fe  No.803787

>>803678

Also, if that makes you feel better, I see horrible shit from Orthodox online too. The worst probably being "there is no eternal relationship between the Son and the Holy Spirit", together with "the Holy Spirit temporally proceeds from all Orthodox Christians".




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081ede  No.803134[Reply]

Would it be sinful for us to raid it in order to spread the Word of God?

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2ec0a6  No.803568

>>803454

>here are many furries with genius level IQ

Yeah, you wish. I take great pleasure in the fact that you will YIFF IN HELL, furfag.


7700e0  No.803582

>>803134

There’s no point to it. They won’t listen, and you’ll make Christianity look bad


be1b60  No.803615

>>803134

>Matthew 7:6

/thread


8e937b  No.803720

>>803568

I am not a furry.


8e937b  No.803722

>>803495

>The two great commandments.

and what does this have to do with pursuing fruitless tasks?

>And between playing Minecraft and becoming a theologian, neither is considered virtuous or sinful in itself

I never said anything was sinful, but I do speak of it in terms the same way Scriptures speaks of things that are useful, and things that are not useful for the elect.

>neither is helpful to anyone

Strongly disagreed, people like Dr. Feser and many other writers have done a spectacular job of refuting common anti-Christian arguments.

>At least if someone becomes a Minecraft streamer, they might make up some money to give away to charities. Joining a soup kitchen or even just handing five bucks to the next hobo you see might be more helpful than either.

now you're changing from the pursuit to the act of almsgiving, but these are separate things and have nothing to do with the topic at hand, man.




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75a08c  No.803222[Reply]

This is a very common tale but please hear me out.

My mother in the past 6 years has had immense misfortune when it comes to her health. First it began with chronic pain from a back injury, then she got a deadly bacterial infection in a wound on her foot which lead to her amputating her left leg, and from the bacterial infection she got kidney failure and had to sit through dialysis three times a week. Every month getting weaker and wheelchair bound. Her muscles gradually atrophies and energy getting drained from her. Not anything noteworthy in this modern medical industry we have.

A few days ago, when I came to visit her I found her slouching on the floor having bad motor skills and trouble speaking with a bump on her head. Turns out she fell somehow early in the morning and now had essentially he left side almost paralyzed. Called the ambulance had her rushed to the emergency room. They scanned her brain and sure enough she had a massive stroke. It was just so sudden and seemingly cruel. If I did not have faith in God already then this could have been the moment I would have turned my back on Him out of frustration and rage.

Turns out that years of hardships and hospital visits takes their toll and my mother decided to cease all life supporting treatments just today. Her will to live was broken with the additional handicaps she sustained. How long she has left is still unknown, could be a week or two weeks.

And here is the real regret: She is not Christian and had always lived as a secular agnostic, even my own faith is fresh and I am the only one in my family to even have any religious beliefs. I just don't know what to do. I fear for her soul and I don't want to be the cause of her rejecting Jesus by being pushy nor do I want to be slothful and lukewarm about it. I feel so very trapped and my time is limited so please excuse the rambling tone of my post. She also won't be able to attend any church or RCIA for obvious reasons. Not even sure what I should pray for at this point. Sorry for the blogpost but I just want to vent.

TL;DR: How do you save a very sick and injured person?

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402c43  No.803596

>>803570

Try to pray with her. Ask politely, maybe sell it as "something weird I do, but it helps me ease my mind". She'll probably feel the honesty of a pure, sincere prayer. Christ is the Truth, after all.

I'd say try to avoid getting too obsessed about the rites. The important thing here is that your mother accepts Christ in her heart. Her being agnostic, and not atheist, may mean that she's spiritual but doesn't really like all the dogma and rituals. Last thing you want is your mother going through the sacraments only to easy your mind.

In the Catholic Church at least, many priests admit that it's possible to be saved even if you're not a member of the Church, but Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:6). God is love, anon. Try to help your mother accept Jesus; even if it's not by name, she can accept what He is and represents.

I don't think I'm expressing myself in a 100% clear way, so I'll try to sum it up: the most important thing here is that when your mother finds herself before God, her heart is filled with love. Compared to that, conversion is secondary. The rites are helpful but only when you're heart is in the right place.

I hope that helped in some way.

Also

>Not even sure what I should pray for at this point.

It's OK to just be silent and contemplate sometimes. Silent prayer is a valid form of prayer.


3f7f4b  No.803609

>>803570

The Holy Spirit will give you the right words to say when the time is right. Even if you try your best and it looks hopeless, you don't know what's going on in her head and she may still have a sincere deathbed conversion. Trust in God's mercy. Say a divine mercy chaplet at her bedside while she sleeps. Praying for you and your mom. You are being a good son to her.


3f7f4b  No.803622

>>803570

If you don't mind saying what your mom's first name is I can write her name on a green scapular for you.


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ac1f86  No.803858

>>803789

Stop posting >: (




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4631be  No.788006[Reply]

What version of the Bible should I read? At a loss here. Is the Open English Bible good?

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f66808  No.803505

why is it so hard to find NJB bible on android? the only decent bible apps, the youversion bible and quick bible from yuku doesn't have it

and the others are riddled with ads


0bf075  No.803512

>>803505

Install F-Droid. There's a decent Bible app on there (no ads/malware since everything on that platform is FOSS).


9db2e4  No.803519

>>800078

What are the notes like in that? Is it as bad as the American/NAB notes, full of skeptic/higher critical commentary? I'm curious if all of these Bishops Conferences are as lax as America.


524253  No.803524

>>803512

i checked, both doesn't have njb (and osb im looking for that too)

and if we're talking about decent i liked the 2 i mentioned before more


9db2e4  No.803527

It's unlikely you'll find many materials for the NJB. It's already been revised by it's own translator. Called the "RNJB" now. It took out the "Yahweh" wording (a good thing btw). There's also the British "CTS" (Catholic Truth Society) version that was the older Jerusalem Bible, but it also took out Yahweh. Not sure how easy that is to find, but it seems popular enough that it gets used to British parishes or something.




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253963  No.802965[Reply]

i still don't understand hell. god judges you based on whether or not you believed something and if you didn't believe that thing you sentenced to the most agonizing thing ever conceived by an all powerful entity. why is believing something so important. why not any other criteria. furthermore was is punishment infinite, if i was wrong i was wrong, i am sorry i didn't know you made me small and ignorant. so many people who were loved and tried their best in life (of course falling below the mark) are currently facing an agony that will never end. their is a perpetual atrocity occurring under the earth that will never end.

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253963  No.803318

>>803247

i understand i am not a good person, but i am not an infinitely terrible person. i don't understand what the purpose of tormenting me forever is


253963  No.803324

>>803114

yes he didn't he had faith in some other religion and thought the same thing would happen to you.


fd0422  No.803331

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>803318

>i don't understand what the purpose of tormenting me forever is

There seems to be a misunderstanding here. The torment isn't something that happens to you, it's something you do to yourself as a byproduct of willingly rejecting God. Think of it like how alcoholism destroys your liver; it wasn't that you were drinking alcohol and then suddenly someone decided to punish you by screwing up your liver, you did that on your own by choosing the short term pleasures of alcohol instead of your long term health.

Read The Great Divorce by C. S. Lewis, and watch vid related.


bcc05a  No.803432

>>803324

I don't care that he thinks the same thing will happen to me lmao, just like when I was in college people thought it was me who was wrong in some problems and in the end it was them.

We don't follow Christianity randomly, we can dissect and argument against any religion that opposes Christianity, which is what the first Christians did. That is why there is a huge theological christian tradition of apologetics and constant missions, that just aren't there in other religions, which are more of a LARPing cultural custom


21b45e  No.803433

I think your characterization of hell is a bit wonky. There's nothing in scripture that says hell is "the worst torture conceivable", just numerous, varied metaphors for isolation from the kingdom of heaven.

I would meditate on God's justice - not the aspect of God judging everyone for his sins, but the aspect of God judging rightly and fairly. I think we can take seriously scripture's pronouncements that those who are ignorant of the Law will be judged less strictly than those who are hypocrites - who "believe", but don't act like it. How can two people both destined for "hell" be judged with varying severity? That's for God to know, but we can trust his judgment.

On our end, our focus must be on seeking God's kingdom and righteousness first. We are not responsible for saving people. Manipulating as many people as possible into an intellectual assent is not a valid way of witnessing to the gospel.




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d2986f  No.795622[Reply]

I thought this thread would be useful for many anons that haven't gone to Confession in a while to start Holy week with the right foot

Lets see if we can get the mods to allow other languages as well

Masturbation => Impure/Obscene acts

Watching pornography => I have watched obscenities

Bestiality & other abominations => I've been sexually immoral

Fornication => I have failed to keep chaste

Sacrilege => I have been irreverent to vehicles of worship

Cross-dressing => ?

Drunkenness => I failed to drink in moderation

Violence => I have harmed anthers body

Can someone think of a euphemism for "rubbing yourself against a girl" in Spanish, thanks

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7ace37  No.803296

>>795707

Orthodox here, I'd say your priest is out of line.


702dec  No.803300

>>803287

Btw sorry this was meant for the self-improvement thread


b47e5e  No.803383

>>795707

Mine said this as well


b47e5e  No.803384

>>803383

He said that turning oneself in is a necessary step of repentance.

Sage for doublepost


b87ac4  No.803387

>>795622

So you want to lie to your Confessor? Do you really think you can Jew God?




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2320ae  No.801606[Reply]

Post here splendid paintings, lavish cathedrals or whatever that can be encompassed into christian art.

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975758  No.803328

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Mostly John Martin and Gustave Dore if anyone's interested


975758  No.803329

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975758  No.803332

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c6c0bd  No.803339

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>>803332

Thank you for sharing this great collection, I really appreciate it.




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813f33  No.801128[Reply]

Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports

(Wednesday, May 30, 2001 (17 years ago))

http://www.bpnews.net/11002/homosexuals-more-likely-to-molest-kids-study-reports

Christian adoption agency reverses policy, will place kids with ‘LGBT’ couples

(Wed Apr 24, 2019 - 10:12 am EST (2 days ago))

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/michigan-christian-adoption-agency-flips-will-place-children-in-lgbt-homes

This group is complying with an unjust law placing children into the hands of degenerates who most likely were molested themselves as children (that's how most people end up homosexual, being molested as a child) and will molest these kids.

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771090  No.801292

>>801148

I know this is gonna sounds off topic, but the way to fix this is endorsing capital control in the various western world-that is: native people can only own/control in their native land. You'll be surprised how much "progressive" junk would be abandoned by the top contributors of the movement (and by effect the group as a whole) if such a thing was instituted.


08b02a  No.801294

>>801252

>forbids you from being Christian

To relinquish an orphan child to the hands of overt sinners and relatively likely child molesters seems unchristian; clearly this is not an act of love. Should we submit to law obliging this?


813f33  No.802256

>>801294

>Should we submit to law obliging this?

Definitely no.


813f33  No.803298

>>801256

Do you reckon they'll give up the power of being able to ruin anyone's life with a mere accusation of being a pedophile for the sake of allowing everyone to be open pedophiles?


b6e819  No.806775

>>805768

Mods!!!! get him to stop >:(




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9157eb  No.801380[Reply]

Watch the miracle here

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eb3bf9  No.802574

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>>802521

>Notice that he doesn't hold his hand still.

This fire doesn't burn but it still feels hot. That's why the people don't hold their hands still.


6fdee1  No.802750

>>802521

With a flame that big? I don't think so.


83b57d  No.802798

>>802398

h-he's just playing 666-dimensional chess.


59d38f  No.803255

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there's more to the miracle than just the fire not burning…


f92ae5  No.803283

>>802521

away from here




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0fe7bc  No.783474[Reply]

Weed is fully legalized in my state for full recreational use of adults 21+. I am above 21. Is it still a sin if I smoke a little bit?

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ca5de8  No.802507

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Seeing the debate of what pharmakeia means I think it may help to try to explain.

The word 'pharmacon' φάρμᾰκον has multiple uses which the word 'drug' encompasses the most. It is also translated as cure, potion, medicine, poison, sorcery, and in more other ways. This demonstrates why things shouldn't always be interpreted to the utmost literality.

The use of drugs (pharmakeia) i.e. druggery, could be what is referred to in Gal. 5:20 and Rev. 18:23. The sorcery interpretation could be taken from observation of the use of concoctions and potions in divinatory and shamanistic rituals. Such a thing could have been sought to be avoided because of the potential it has to give people a false sense of inspiration from the perspective of the NT authors. The recreational drug use of today would seem to be divorced from this spiritist aspect, yet the possible admonitions of the NT writers may still be observed in the instances of drugged individuals exhibiting deliria.

A meaning of poison might also be possible taken together with other things in the pertinent contexts: murder, fornication, theft, falsehood, but also however cowardice, idolatry, and unbelief.

Latin uses derivatives of venenum from where 'venom' is derived, such as veneficium (the act of poisoning, poisonous substance, the preparation of magic potions, sorcery, witchcraft, magic, magic potion) and veneficus (poisoner, sorcerer, wizard).

One Middle English use of the word (venym) was for a potion or liquid used for dyeing, which is one of the ways Greek 'pharmacon' was used.

The word pharmacon also happens to be attested in the English language.

Here are a couple of interesting and illustrative takes from classical Greek literature.

Euripides Bacchae

For two things, young man, [275] are first among men: the goddess Demeter—she is the earth, but call her whatever name you wish; she nourishes mortals with dry food; but he who came afterwards, the offspring of Semele (i.e. Dionysus), discovered a match to it, the liquid drink of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


dd1cbe  No.803061

>>783474

>Conflating legality and morality


d5a120  No.803086

>>783474

In my experience, drugs just place a filter over reality and never actually take you to your intended destination.

It also affects the nervous system and makes it more difficult to get spiritual experiences while sober.

It's like pressing a pause button on your spiritual development.

You're better off doing these things for bliss and enlightenment:

Semen retention

prayer

Meditation

sobriety


cd3bb9  No.803150


17f8b9  No.803230

It is still against federal law




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