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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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542763  No.767307[Reply]

>My denomination? None, I read the Bible

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845779  No.769511


Why do Churches of different faiths try to combine together like a bad voltron? Is it so they have a better voting block?

1a7d95  No.769515


Money, I guess.. better way to maintain churches and have more funds…especially as each one individually has dwindled in extreme numbers over the 20th century (mainline Protestants dropped like flies pretty much).

1a7d95  No.769519

Just to add, it's also to fund more national or global efforts (shared publishing or learning materials, etc) that they struggled with on their own.

c9d9da  No.769551



They think unity permits compromising doctrine, when in reality unity is only an objective for the LOCAL church

96a850  No.769575


All of those mainliners are pretty much the same on doctrine though (individualistic, and only care about the Bible in the broadest of terms), so it's easy for them to unite. About the only difference is the government and liturgy (no small thing actually, but it is to them).

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10abbf  No.769479[Reply]

Saudis Hiding Real Location of Mount Sinai, Bible Researchers Claim…

The biblical Mount Sinai is traditionally placed in Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, but some researchers say it could be located over a hundred miles eastwards on the Arabian Peninsula across the Gulf of Aqaba.


Ryan Mauro, the national security analyst at the non-profit anti-extremist Clarion Project, and the Doubting Thomas Research Foundation have released the results of a two-year joint search for the holy site in a documentary titled "Finding the Mountain of Moses: The Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia". According to the new investigation, the actual place where Moses received the Ten Commandments is in Saudi Arabia, and the Kingdom is well aware of this fact. The documentary claims, based on several Christian, Jewish, and Islamic sources, that the biblical Mount Sinai is actually located in northwest Saudi Arabia. Ryan Mauro alleges that the Saudi government has been trying to conceal its location from the rest of the world using "fences, police, and a threat of force". He has interviewed locals and reached out to a person connected with jihadists to back up his claims.

Mauro claims key evidence is in jeopardy due to a $500 billion futuristic mega-city project, which is to be built in the coming years. "The Saudis are construction a super city that is planned to be 33 times the size of New York. If all of us don't take action, Saudi construction in the area may destroy key evidence and prevent excavation for the foreseeable future." He has launched a website to try and convince Saudi Arabia to preserve the site. The analyst believes that Jabal Maqla, one of the tallest mountains in the Arabian Peninsula and a peak on the mountain range of Jabal al-Lawz, is the actual place where Moses received the Ten Commandments. He invokes Moses' account from the book of Exodus and cites the blackened top of the Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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12e0b4  No.769532

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>the red sea was more like a rice field

How the heck are you supposed to drown pharaoh and his army in a shallow rice field?

d047fa  No.769535


Tell me about it. It seems like yet another "higher critical" theory meant only to destroy people's faith and "demystify" the bible. While some trying to play nice with skeptics but don't want to give up faith try to rationalize that it wasn't as shallow in Moses' day.

I'm not sure the route St. Helen and her helpers guessed at though, but it wasn't that.. they believed Moses crossed a large body of water..but then somehow trekked back north into Egypt. Which is better obviously, but still a little strange why they'd do that.

Hence, the Gulf of Aqaba crossing into Arabia, at least for some who hold to a more literal view on what the "sea" actually may have been.

f5b3db  No.769565


Did they really? What a bunch of senseless vandals.

Most people don't know this, but that big cube (the Kaba) they all visit for the "Haaj" in Mecca was actually a Christian structure once.. and used to have icons of Jesus and Mary in it. Even Muhammad wasn't stupid enough to remove them.. but later Caliphs did. Now they all traipse about it, requiring it to be some holy site every Muslim needs to visit… for no reason whatsoever. They don't even know why they do it.. or know it was once Christian. Just like they insist the mount in Jerusalem is some holy place for them. lol. But for the time being, that's useful, since they troll the Jews from ever building a temple too.

3dbb2e  No.769567



Well they didn’t actually. This rock they blew up was at al-Lawz, which isn’t Mount Sinai. And we know from Paul that the rock didn’t remain at Sinai anyway.

f5b3db  No.769568


I would have preferred more investigation, rather than taking anyone's word. That's pretty much how Muslims think too.

Paul wasn't talking about the literal rock, but about the rock being Christ..as in the helper behind the Exodus.. as in the Angel of the Lord in all of the OT theophanies.

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1d436d  No.768492[Reply]

Is wearing a cross tacky? I have a simple cross I ordered and planned on buying a simple chain for it. Is it stupid to wear them? If not - under or over shirt?

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e48273  No.769482


If you wore that in the west literally no one will know it's a Christian cross

479fa4  No.769484


Thats what makes it a good conversation starter and a good way to get people to begome

c1ec39  No.769494


Right on. I have a simple steel cross too (although it's Latin, I'm still Orthodox in belief).

"And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

c66f47  No.769497


That's a crucifix and scapular.

550868  No.769504

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I found some beads at work, so I took a pen and pieces of plastic and wrapped them in electrical tape.

I don't wear it, but I keep it on my person 24/7 and sometimes hold it during prayer.

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819e2e  No.769162[Reply]

I'm wanting to convert to Orthodoxy but there aren't any Orthodox churches near where I live. There are a lot of Catholic churches around here, but I can't bring myself to accept a lot of what the Catholic Church teaches and it seems dishonest to Catholic merely out of convenience. What should I do?

I know, I know, "le orthoprot XDD le ortholarp XDDD."

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7bc053  No.769387


Is that directed at the OP or me? Who said I made up beliefs? I heard a voice that said "Read".. then immersed myself in scripture and then moved to church fathers for decades and practically came out Orthodox. The few times I tried something else and listened to people around me, it went terribly wrong. Or I recoiled at the taste of stale bread they offered.

Or do you think someone just throws their whole life away for Christ because they "mentally" came to it? "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." God built his Church, but his grace is not restricted to working with it, in order to call people to it. He's the only one with the ability.

393c6c  No.769393


That's becoming a real problem nowadays, people that want to convert but can't find churches near them, especially in the west. I guess there was a sharp rise of interest in Orthodoxy that cought the church unprepared. I believe you will have to do your part and try to reach them first. Contact them and i'm sure they'll find a solution for you. Have in mind that the Orthodox church is relatively poor in contrast to the Catholics and Protestants.

7bc053  No.769394


Fair enough. I think a lot of informal and less defined things like this will always be a problem for those of us in the West. Like there's a lot of other minor things I never grew up with and I see Orthodox do, but don't understand and would feel phony if I followed.. because it doesn't seem essential to the faith on dogmatic grounds. Like when I see Russians (or others?) bow down twice and cross themselves. That's one of those things I'd never be able to learn without growing up around it. And I honestly don't understand prayer corners pointed East, incense, and candles. Like I said above, we should be praying without ceasing.

30a0fb  No.769457


The orthodox have extra ecclesia nulla salus as a dogma too. It's literally in the bible (no one gets to the father except by me)

4dc3e3  No.769496


>there aren't any Orthodox churches near

Have you tried these tools:



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950d22  No.768127[Reply]

Is Steven Anderson right when he says that it's impossible for a homosexual to truly repent and change their ways because of Romans 1:26?

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aeb841  No.769375

You're being facetious OP. You took something he said and isolated it away its context.

Fun Fact:

The pagan Zoroastrianism believe in inability to repent for even struggling sodomites: sodomites are given only one chance to repent, and this is done through a ritual that involves the killing of a cat. After this ritual, the pagan fire worshippers will allow no further forgiveness.

868fcb  No.769378


No and he doesn't have much of a nuanced understanding of what can cause someone to be a sodomite. For one I know he has even made exceptions in the past saying that if you are just a faggot for the sake of being a faggot you are unable to be saved but, if you are a faggot because you were raped as a child then you might be able of being saved. The thing is though that is no small exception. A very large amount of faggots are only faggots because of sexual abuse they received at a young age. Its actually gotten to be a bit of a meme, its crazy the amount of times that I've seen faggots talk about their experiences only for them eventually to drop the 'Oh yeah and my step dad raped me.'

Another very significant amount of sodomites are sodomites because they are in prison and the only way they can have sex with a human is with another man. They aren't really being fags because they like men, they are being fags because they like sex and they don't have anyone else to do it with.

And there are also fags who become fags out of desperation. I've seen this trend on places like /r9k/ where the incel types find it impossible to get a girlfriend so they turn to faggotry because it is the only way they can experience the romantic affection that they long for. Again they aren't fagging for the sake of faggotry.

So even if we say all the fags that are fags for the sake of being fags that discounts the many other fags who have different influences pushing them into faggotry.

e28754  No.769389


>Another very significant amount of sodomites are sodomites because they are in prison and the only way they can have sex with a human is with another man. They aren't really being fags because they like men, they are being fags because they like sex and they don't have anyone else to do it with.

I had sympathy when you mentioned the people who've been abused, but that's a poor excuse above. And even despite it taking a homosexual angle, it's still a sin to burn in lust and not be able to control yourself. It's not hard to be celibate. That's the biggest modern copout ever - that people think they "need" sex. It's the same excuse people make when people cheat on their spouses (be it men or women.. but often men.. say it's part of their primal urges or something). It's Darwinian thinking, and also another sin of our times… where man is reduced to physical drives and no longer in touch with his rational, let alone spiritual self.

719408  No.769460


>Who said chastity was easy?

My mind is the last, difficult homestretch. I can feel how my lust offends the LORD, and how he won't yet have me. I pray to God to take away my sexuality, and I've even considered castration.

I hope that God will forgive this weakness, and purify me so I can be with him. I gave up sodomy for him - certainly, he'll remove my lust in return.

>Read the scriptures (Christ Himself tells us it is purifying)

I keep returning to that one bit in Mathew where Jesus says looking at a woman you aren't married to is adultery. I avoid women and never look at them because of this.

I commited sodomy with men, but I never lusted for men - I imagined being a lesbian during homosexual sex. So I can 100% guarantee that I'll never commit sodomy again. But, I still lust for women. I love women more than God. Just to be next to a beautiful woman - not even sex - is what my lustful heart really wants.

>pray often (pray the Rosary, actually)

I'm not baptised, and I'm trying to join the Catholic church. I pray an Our Father, the Apostles' creed and a Hail Mary when I wake up and when I go to sleep. Every time I take a sip of water, I give thanks.

It's all helped to keep my mind off sex, but I know the lust is still there.

>and confess your sins. Stay clean and take the Eucharist every Sunday

Sadly, I'm not baptised. I fantasize about the eucharist. My motivation currently is to prepare for RCIA, which I was told starts in the Fall.

I imagine myself as a skinny, starving wretch, and the church as the source of food. I see baptised Christians as beautiful, plump saints. That Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

e81a4b  No.769461


I know the other anon told you to pray, but prayer really does help keep the lust away. When the lustful thoughts come, of having sex, masturbating,etc. pray. It helps me a lot and has never failed me. You will always have an attraction to women, it's natural…i think you best choice is to keep fighting and to find a good christian wife.

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8cfd6c  No.765443[Reply]

I'm looking for examples of great saints who had to break up with someone they loved, and especially about how they dealt with the sorrow and guilt of that part of their life.

So far I've thought of St Augustine (obviously). Any other?

We ought to always look up to those who paved the way of the Cross for us, poor sinners.

>John 14:12

>Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I. have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

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4f4a0b  No.766748


Than what's stopping you from getting in communion with them?

We and all the Saint are all fallen men and we are together in the pain of his world and in our Blessed Lord.

c0e8c7  No.766800


That's when society was still wise enough to put social barriers before marriage. I've dated a girl for 2 years and lived alone with her for 1 year. It's like a small divorce, after 6 months we both still have a very hard time getting over it.

b2fb8d  No.769287


saint galacteon. also saint paul the simple if you count finding your wife cheating and becoming a monk about it.

b2fb8d  No.769290


There was a rich and distinguished couple named Kletophon and Leukippe, who lived in the Syrian city of Emesa, and for a long time they were childless. They gave much gold to the pagan priests, but still they remained childless.

The city of Emesa was governed by a Syrian named Secundus, put there by the Roman Caesars. He was a merciless and zealous persecutor of Christians, and to intimidate them he ordered that the instruments of torture be displayed on the streets. The slightest suspicion of belonging to “the sect of the Galilean” (as thus Christians were called by the pagans), was enough to get a man arrested and handed over for torture. In spite of this, many Christians voluntarily surrendered themselves into the hands of the executioners, in their desire to suffer for Christ.

A certain old man by the name of Onuphrius, concealed his monastic and priestly dignity beneath his beggar’s rags. He walked from house to house in Emesa, begging alms. At the same time, whenever he saw the possibility of turning people away from the pagan error, he preached about Christ.

Once, he came to the magnificent house of Leukippe. Accepting alms from her, he sensed that the woman was in sorrow, and he asked what was the cause of this sadness. She told the Elder about her familial misfortune. In consoling her, Onuphrius began to tell her about the one true God, about His omnipotence and mercy, and how He always grants the prayer of those turning to Him with faith. Hope filled the soul of Leukippe. She believed and accepted Holy Baptism. Soon after this it was revealed to her in a dream that she would give birth to a son, who would be a true follower of Christ. At first, Leukippe concealed her delight from her husband, but after the infant was born, she revealed the secret to her husband and also persuaded him to be baptized.

They named the baby Galaction and his parents raised him in the Christian Faith and provided him a fine education. He could make an illustrious career for himself, but Galaction sought rather an unsullied monastic life in solitude and prayer.

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ff2ea7  No.769435


Sad as winnie the pooh, but I wish the same happened to me.

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1dd264  No.769168[Reply]


around 16:45

pic unrelated i just wanted to remind you to subscribe to pewdiepie

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41cbc8  No.769288

>>769277 (checked)

Errmagerd you hate Indians! I'll telling Vox!!!!

effd07  No.769313


But muh infallible bishop. (pls ignore the Arian Controversy and the Babylonian captivity of the church)

26e60f  No.769332


Subscribe to Pewdiepie?

The dude shilled hard for a Jesus imposter there is no way im subscribing to him for some stupid internet fight.


588ba1  No.769344

Subscribe to pewdiepie? No thanks.

>Is an atheist

>Supports man who makes a mockery of Jesus

>Makes fun of anti-vaxxers

aaa285  No.769346



He'll come around. He's started to read

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230186  No.768408[Reply]

Can Christians lucid dream?

I feel pretty agitated about how I was basically robbed of a good ending to my dream and the event has incited my desire to take more active control of my dreams. I already pray to St. Raphael every night, asking him to guide my dreams away from nightmares and night terrors. Consequently, my dreams are rarely ever disturbing now and when they are, things are severely toned down compared to before. When the dream is at the peak of what should be terrifying me, I am also at my most lucid and am able to ask God for help. I also feel no fear and will instead, feel a slight inclination to laugh at what's going on. Could I ask for more though? Could I ask to this Saint to help me be lucid in my dream and to remember my goals (i.e. read books)?

Are we as Christians allowed to try and seize control of our dreams? Or are we restricted to praying for the nicest possible dreams and just taking whatever we get?

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2ad11e  No.769007

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>Sex community

Get out

e4a04f  No.769011


Hmmm…thats not a bad idea. I never thought of using lucid dreaming like that. If I ever try lucid dreaming out I'll be sure to use it for prayer.

cc6602  No.769012

I have become lucid in dreams and prayed to God and Jesus Christ

pretty comfy

728f50  No.769045


>horrendous post

>anime pic

Every time.

60e065  No.769191


I haven't watched the video that >>768412 posted but there's no way lucid dreaming is a sin. Unless you believe you can talk to demons and angels LITERALLY

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1e62b0  No.768714[Reply]

Which other boards do you use on 8ch or 4ch or elsewhere?

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85a06b  No.768991


/lit/ is generally good, even the more atheistic or agnostic poster tend to look down on those who outright dismiss religon.

Do you know about libgen.io? you can use it to download pretty much any book.

5df736  No.768993

I've been meaning to spill the following somewhere and don't mean to hijack the thread but also don't think it deserves own thread either. I don't use any other board but this one but I use it as a seriously damaging procrastination tactic where all I do in my spare time when I'm not masturbating to porn is autistically read all the threads on here for fear of missing out (fomo) on some snippet of interesting discussion, neat enlightening link or youtube video I wouldn't come across anywhere else. It's at the point where I've been doing it for a few years and it's a lack of self control yes but more fomo and I'm more just stuck in a massive rut of a lack of inertia where I'm too scared to commit to becoming a proper Christian taking up my cross and responsibility for my life and moving forward like a proper decent person should who actually cares about their future. I believe in Jesus 'a' saviour but not yet mine and I know I don't have the Holy Spirit as I feel numb to my sin and ignoring the call to stop wasting my time on here thinking each weekend 'finish all the tabs you have open and anything else interesting in the catalogue currently up and then finally you'll be done and can be free to never come back (or come back only occassionally which I know will just turn into getting full blown sucked in again). This has gone on for a year or so now, literally holed away in my room every night and weekend trying to make sure I catch up on the threads it's exhausting and I'm just wasting my life as a 29yo man ffs sorry for blogpost. Anyone know the feels? I've gone on other boards but I autistically feel the need to check out and open up tabs of all their interesting threads some of which are huge and just get sucked in there but as they're not my default board like here feel I can let them go and maybe return later easier and it's not a big deal if I miss something that drops of the catalog.

5df736  No.768996


And I should add the reason I like it here and what I find valuable is that it's not somewhere pozzed which is what everywhere else is both irl and online, and I'm not an intellectual who's good in arguments or logically analysising everything so I just fear that if I were to completely stop coming here I'd be able to be easily swayed and snared by liberal interpretations of the bible without recourse.

1243f8  No.769119

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I use https://4stats.io to browse halfchan, helps to filter out all the useless junk and spam

1e62b0  No.769188


Your post would fit well in self improvement general

>I'm too scared to commit to becoming a proper Christian taking up my cross and responsibility for my life

You obviously need to limit the time online here, eliminate fapping and get to work irl on your self improvement.

>when I'm not masturbating to porn is autistically read all the threads on here

Found your problem: Too much time online, leads to fapping. Get to work, eliminate fapping. Purity thread should be your primary goal, then moving to irl - talking to women, working out, reading books.

Three pillars will help you: Prayer, fasting and work. This will eliminate fapping. That will help you move on

I recommend going to relationship general, purity thread, books thread, nature of women thread, self improvement thread but otherwise limiting your exposure so you do more things offline. You are stuck and you prefer to waste your time than to face your stuck.

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dee795  No.768967[Reply]

I know there are many Christian anons here, honestly, stop attending the /pol/, that environment is toxic.

Right now there was a thread about an anon that got blackpilled to death by shills on that website. Apparently he took his own life.

I prayed a reprimand for their work, including the dwarfs who may have been innocently affected, I did not open the secrecy, and I left the site.

I do not know what's wrong with that chan, but I've often noticed shills putting negative energies there to harm others unnecessarily, I've even seen a webm on thread that showed subliminal satanic messages.

As Philippians 4: 8 warns us,

Philippians 4

8 Conclusion, dear brothers, absolutely everything that is true, whatever is honest, whatever is fair, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is good, if there is something or worthy of praise, Think about this. 9 All that you have learned, received, heard and seen in me, practice; and the God of peace will be with you ''

Let us not fill our heads with malice, evil, negative and demonic thoughts, nor with the works of the devil.

May God bless and keep you.

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2207da  No.769146


I would say that it is depressing. My family are German refugees from Eastern Europe and now I'm in Canada and feel like a foreigner with all the new waves up people coming in. Most people my age aren't Christian at all, university might as well be hell, and even my close friends and relatives don't believe in traditional Christianity or culture. Living very comfortably and I have God, but I certainly am not immune to depression.


Just like the proverb. I would apply your saying to most worldly places.

90a9e8  No.769148


Depression is one thing.. and it's natural to grieve for those you love especially. You wouldn't be human if you didn't. But blackpilled is a whole other thing.. at least I thought. It's a hopeless, bleak point of view.

2207da  No.769150


I wouldn't say that I have it. I am concerned for my future and now believe that it is in God's hands as my strength will fail. I should be more concerned for spiritual wealth but I can't help but get distracted by all these earthly concerns and stress about them.

3b8aae  No.769172


>the /pol/

>the dwarfs

What worries me is you are using a Brazilian chanspeak for "anon" and it wasn't even google-translated.

You look like the cancer who has no idea what IB culture is and gather in "public" in Facebook calling each other "anon", even though there's no anonymity over there. You look like cancer from some "panelinha" who behaves like he's new in the Internet and at same time look like a shill.

Conte-me logo, OP: como foi que você chegou aqui? Quem lhe contou sobre os sites e lhe enviou os links? Foi em uma panela, não foi? Mesmo para um paneleiro, é bizarro você não conhecer nada. Qual sua idade? Você parece muito novo ou muito velho.

Recomendo que pesquise sobre as regras da Internet e as siga. Aprenda a lurkar. Se eu continuar explicando-lhe sobre como as coisas funcionam, estarei mimando-o, entregando tudo mastigado na sua boca, e isso será muito ruim tanto para nós quanto para você quanto para seus amigos que o enviaram aqui. Já falei muito mais do que deveria.

Mods, don't get wrong my aggressiveness, I'm trying to prevent cancer from spreading and this is odd enough. Be careful with this situation and don't confuse love and charity with spoiling and spoonfeeding.

3b8aae  No.769179



That's why I said OP, at same time he looks like he's new in the Internet, he behaves like a shill (I'm assuming OP is just an odd newfag).

This kind of purism only make us lose territory to our enemies, who ruin the place and convert the naïve users to their side. Lefties use this strategy, for example, as pointed by >>768995 and >>769000.

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0aa1d6  No.768340[Reply]

How Christianity and Confucianism can explain US-China rivalry…

Peter T. C. Chang says China’s Confucian heritage means it can tolerate multiple belief systems ‘under heaven’, but the US’ insistence on liberal democracy has echoes of Christian exclusivism


The ongoing trade war is just one front of an expanding all-out US-China tussle for world dominance. And unlike earlier great-power rivalries, this has the trappings of a civilisational showdown, as the pre-eminent Christian West faces off against a resurgent Confucian East, with potentially far-reaching consequences for the existing global order. Anxieties abound over whether these two giants share enough core values to manage a peaceful balancing of power, and can avert the dreaded Thucydides Trap. These fears are not unfounded. While similar in some ways, Christianity and Confucianism are distinct traditions, with theological assumptions that, if unchallenged, could set the US and China on a collision course.

Christianity, like Judaism, believes in the existence of only one true God. But, unlike the latter, the former transcended Judaic ethnocentrism to embrace Christian universalism. The Abrahamic god in Christianity is no longer just for the Jews, but for all peoples. Still, Christianity remains monotheistic, exacting absolute allegiance to the one God. For Christians, to be saved one must embrace the biblical faith. Put differently, humanity’s fate lies with Christianity, the sole gateway to heaven. Imprints of these Christian motifs are unmistakable in Pax Americana. Stepping out of isolation, the US played a central role in stabilising the post-second-world-war order. Hailed as the American century, the 20th century has had its lows, surely. But it was also marked with historic accomplishments. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is one. This and other US-led initiativePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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f0b142  No.768641


Damn, didn't sage

1436e0  No.768953


The reason for US/China rivalry is because the communist party is power hungry. China was never meant to be united at the scale it is today and should be partitioned into smaller regions by the dialects that are spoken. The culture created by the communist party has made it so that the chinese treat each other as subhuman.

The destruction of the communist party and the partitioning of china will reap only benefits for the people.

>t. lived in china for two years

c4d76d  No.769099


>t. lived in china for two years

Be interested to hear more about your experience and why and how you came to the conclusions that you have. Were you a Christian during your time there and if so did you interact with aspects of the church?

2a0ddf  No.769120


The difference being that America has actual Christians, and it’s not illegal to be one.

80f69f  No.769141

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>The difference being that America has actual Christians, and it’s not illegal to be one.

It's definitely illegal unfortunately, but I haven't seen many Americans treat the Bible like these Chinese.

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c5fe2d  No.765588[Reply]

Hey Anons, Hope you are having a good Sabbath. I recently saw this video and it troubled me. I do not know enough to rebut or refute the claims made in it. Would you please help me? Thank you


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34e94e  No.768938

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>This highlights a problem with the notion that the bible is the complete and infallible word of God.

I'm not sure, but I think you might want to rephrase that sentence.

It IS the complete and infallible word of God.

If this is a sign of some other anti-Christian teaching from within the Christian church, I'll want names, addresses and membership lists.

What the Bible may NOT be is the complete historical story of the Christ, something the Gospel of (IwanttosayJohn) even states at its conclusion, but it is every single word God intended for us to have and it is perfection in its truthfulness as God intended.

If not, then God is not God.

inb4 I am advocating for 7-day creation hurr durr

34e94e  No.768940


>used a source that spoke Aramaic, like Mary would have.

b-b-but muh Mary spoke Latin, the Holy Language of God …

sorry, i still remember arguments some people wanted to have about what language the Jesus, Mary and the apostles spoke … it's all so tiresome …

That's interesting tho. I'd not heard that before.

8c21fd  No.768954



if you look up the tradition behind Mary's Assumption it confirms that She was in and around the Apostle's circle.

Aside from obviously being around St. John a lot of the time, She must have instructed and passed on anecdotes to the Apostle's and their successors.

0cd97e  No.768958


Also I took the time to read all 4 gospel accounts of Jesus' last days. I don't see why Luke is more strongly pro-Roman when John gives Pilate the most dialogue.

Nevertheless, all agree that Pilate didn't really want to send Jesus to his death, he just "gave in" knowing that he might end up with a religiously motivated riot had he not. Ultimately, it's all pro-Roman insofar as the Romans understandably found the Pharisees' laws repulsive. Pilate acts realistically though, as any Roman governor would have.

8c21fd  No.769109


Pilate acts as any authority figure does with blood on his hands. He claims he doesn't, when he struck God.

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fb5c92  No.768001[Reply]

An academic told me the Bible is wrong about Moses's name. Apparently the name is Egyptian in origin, not Hebrew like the Bible suggests, and that it means "son of" not "drawn out of water." He did give me examples, like of a Pharaoh named Thutmose I whose name means "son of Thoth" and Ramesses/Ramses I whose name means "son of Ra". He says likely Moses's name included a foreign gods name but it got removed and that the story had a long oral tradition before it got included in the Bible and likely the authors of the Bible drew on material like that of Sargon of Akkad and came up with a Hebrew/folk etymology to make Moses's name mean "drawn out of water" instead of what it originally meant. He did make a good point of why would an Egyptian give a child a Hebrew name? Anyway, how accurate is this /christian/?

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9562bf  No.768152

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b88fa7  No.768161


This doesn't change anything and is mostly conjecture.

7bbf0f  No.768965

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OP, check out this link:


and read

>page 114, footnote 15

>page 116, footnote 10

>page 117, footnote 14

The notes on page 117 (pic related) address your question directly, and also give follow up sources and references for further reading (which I have not done). also there might be more notes in that document before or after these ones (I didn't look too hard, just found these ones and am now posting it).

fbe11b  No.768990

The claim that the story of Moses and the river was based on a similar story about Sargon of Akkad is ridiculous. The earliest text mentioning the story about Sargon was written around 600 B.C. I haven't kept up with newest hip and edgy theories that atheists have about the Bible, but I think even they would admit that the Book of Exodus was written before that.

9ce5a8  No.769091


>footnote 14


What is this commentary/resource? Pasting https://bible.org/download/netbible (inc. the bits beyond that in your link takes you to 403 forbidden lands) into my browser takes me to https://bible.org/sites/bible.org/resources/download/netbible/ which is seemingly just about some software

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912a8c  No.766060[Reply]

I've spent about 2 days reading sceptic stuff criticizing the Bible and have yet to find anything substantial from them.

I found this "god hates shrimp" site and ended up reading and researching more about the dietary laws in the Bible. Here are the parts I find relevant:

Old Testament Jewish Food Prohibitions:

(Leviticus 11:1-47)

(Deuteronomy 14:1-21)

New Testament Doing Away With Food Prohibitions:

(Matthew 15:10-20)

(Acts 10:9-16)

So I think these "skeptics" are Bible illiterate idiots that couldn't be bothered to actually read the whole bible and to do any serious research. The only thing that is making my mind meltdown right now is Matthew 5…

"For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

(Matthew 5:18)


This part is quoted by skeptics a lot. I need help to understand it. I've thought about it in different ways and here are some interpretations I've come up with:

1. Jesus has already fulfilled the law so they can be changed now? I guess that would mean that in Matthew 15 and Acts 10 he must have already been crucified at that point?

2. The law is valid… except those parts that have been done away with, in which case, Matthew 5:18 is worded wrongly?

3. The Law means God's Law… which is not the same as that which is laid out in Leviticus. Leviticus is not entirely legit.

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912a8c  No.766430


>But a great deal can be converted if you treat them with pity instead of the hate they are used to (especially in the United States, where prots yell at gays like Pharisees on crack)

What world you live in? Faggots get endless pity, praise, gibes, and more from society right now. America is faggot paradise. Right now it's the heterosexuals in America that need pity.

509df6  No.766464


>God killed, so I can kill

You are not God, anon. Check your heart, love thy enemy, and pray for those who sin. Always.

If God kills sodomites, that's up to Him. He is certainly strong enough to burn some stick-piles, if He so desires.


>unironically arguing this

>unironically saying that America is the be-all of morals

>not realizing that Sodomites will get no pity, praise, or gibs in Heaven

>not understanding that you live for Heaven, not America

The absolute state of the American Prot. Pity those who sin. Heterosexuals (just call them normal people who don't participate in sodomy. Heterosexual is a scientific term used to put "heteros" and "homos" on equal footing. Sodomy is a sin; healthy sexual behavior - that is, sex between a man and his wife - is not) do not need pity from Heaven - they are doing what is right in the sight of God. Sodomites are sinning, and we should pray - out of pity for their souls - that they find salvation in Christ.

I'm not saying wear a rainbow flag or anything of that sort. If that's how you took my original comment, then I am sorry for the ambiguity. But saying "the world is evil, we should fight and overthrow it through physical means!" is literally what the Jews who rejected Christ believed. Christ came not to make things "pure" in this world, but to make us pure for the next world. We are called to pray and show Christ to the world, that all who have ears to hear the Gospel may be saved. Pity your enemy and pray.

3af347  No.766618

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In Matthew, after Christ had finished living His life, and died on the Cross it was, at least in one sense, the fulfillment of the law, Matthew 3:15, & 26:53-56. This is what Matthew is trying to show us. So the ceremonial requirement about not eating shrimp was perfectly fulfilled in the life of Christ, and we are no longer under it.

925eea  No.768987


>which is that onions/garlic/etc. has a chemical in it that passes the blood-brain barrier, and makes your brain foggy

Damn wut I've literally been eating like 100g of raw sliced onion couple nights each week for idk months, had no idea about this chemical, my brain is screwed and foggy due to poor sleep too much computer and porn and half time poor diet (the other half actually quite good) but always thought raw onions were v good for you, and also saw the meme about rats fed raw onion getting super big gonads as a result of diet or something..i've never noticed feeling foggy directly after eating them, i eat it with salmon and avacado and bread and lemon and few other veggies

>and plan on doing an experiment of living by Jesus's word alone

Can fall into some traps with this, can't remember the name of it but there's a yt channel which is just animations/presentations on topics which emphasise the words and teachings of Jesus over everything else, voiced by a guy known as 'Voice,' but they're actually part of and use the vids as a kind of intro/rabit hole(/arguably for grooming/recruitment) into a small cult, can't remember there name either lol but you'll maybe come across them if you're a prot and researching/watching on yt

67822d  No.769039


>Synchronicity like crazy

anon, this is how it works. It took me a very long time in life to realize that literally God literally exists. Prayer is super important. And that is not synchronicity , that is important for you. And more than that…Everything is important for you…at least that’s shat I’m really starting to think. Which is why sin is so weird and bad. Those are things I’m doing and then I get off message and out of communication with prayer and it’s my own fault and I stop being able to hear/see “synchronicities” for a while…until I go back to God again and then recognize the next one when it comes again, etc etc. Still figuring it out. I used to think I was just being crazy, until I heard about how many other people had similar experiences. Imo people sort of have this and don’t recognize it for what it is and then don’t pursue or listen to it and it fades …but all of that makes sense if you think of it as YOUR spirit and Jesus literally teaching YOU.

Also fyi I’m pretty new to this all, so ignore me if that’s heretical or you have good reason to think I’m wrong about that or something.

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a4c1d1  No.764678[Reply]

Especially Our Lady of Famita, whose every word has come true.

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c87fba  No.765209


Immaculate conception is a term created since the middle ages and widely popularised between catholics. It was taught in every catechism even before the dogmatical definition.

Also hundreds of scientifically unexplainable miracles happened there either way.

1b992c  No.765337


>And just about every Orthodox…

…has a complete bias when they pitch in about Catholic Saints, since it would be self-refuting to accept that they are in fact, Saints. It'd be too much of a good thing for you to realize this, so you'd rather act uncharitable. I cannot blame you, it seems encouraged in the wider orthoprot internet community.

>Simply quoting the sources is not a "great source"? OK then. Enjoy your clown masses or something.

You don't even bother addressing my source (from a Pope!) that outright contradicts yours? It's plain that whomever your quoting didn't do the research and is just responding to the unfounded accusation against St. Catherine.

>I'll hold out hope for the occassional tradcat who realizes how inconsistent and/or what a joke things have become, but I won't count on it.

"Tradcat", internet orthodox, and the Sedes all seem to share the same spirit of intellectual dis-ingenuousness and schism.

d55aa2  No.765351


Don't bother lad. Ortholarpers and protestants are the same.

They quote something spurious or a stupid conspiracy theory, you some them they're wrong and they need insisting in what they said despite being proven wrong.

If it was the opposite they would mental gymnastics around it or like in the bible claim that some books who prove certain Catholic doctrines aren't Canon just because.

a5052d  No.769008


Explain why Putin has inquired heavily into Fatima from fr Gruber and why he asked Pope Francis to consecrate Russia. Explain why the muscow patriarchate has excommunicated Constantinople and suggested that they prefer to be subject to the Pope than to the patriarch of Constantinople. Explain why Moscow lifted the excommunications with Rome in the 60s and profess to be in communion.

Russia is coming home.

ac1353  No.769015


>and suggested that they prefer to be subject to the Pope than to the patriarch of Constantinople

>Moscow lifted the excommunications with Rome in the 60s and profess to be in communion.


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