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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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3128b9  No.792502[Reply]

I really don't know why God allowed this for such a long time, and this opression in the christian balkans and the horrible slave trade really makes me bitter. They took Jerusalem for centuries and nobody truly challanged them for Christ's sake. What a travesty..

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ae4ddb  No.792971


It was the Muslim stranglehold on the East that saw the West look for alternate routes to China. That led to the discovery of the Americas by Christian powers (a Muslim expedition from West Africa was never seen again). Even if they may have discovered America anyway - due to British fishermen - settlement would have been few and far between. Christian domination of the Americas, and the world's trade, was because the Turks settled in the East and conquered the Greeks.

God does not guarantee the immortality of any kingdom of men, only the Kingdom of God.

f141e6  No.794033


This is God's punishment for how hierarchical the church had become, transforming itself into the Temple that Jesus revolted against

272a43  No.794034


but they kicked the orthodox's butt tho

f141e6  No.794041


And that's what we deserve. Until we revert to Christ's teachings and abandon the Temple which we are subjected to currently, we will never be free from oppression

19e0fd  No.794367


>dude hierarchy bad lmao

Are you from /leftypol/, by any chance? Hierarchy has been part of the Church from the start.

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3bffab  No.792960[Reply]

I was raised as a catholic since I was a child, although in my teenage years i've been through the dark fase of "God doesn't exist because bad things happen", some years ago I decided to search for my faith again and I think I finally found it. I think I can finally say that i believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

But i'm getting along with you guys and i see that everyone hates each other here, only because of their denominations. I have some friends that are from the LDS and I tried to study their faith (because why not), but I found it to be totally heretical(I'll not further explain it, it would take a long time), and now I'm trying to study about other denons as I did to the LDS. As you can see, I am unhappy with the Catholic Church (some heresys committed by the people who attend to the same church as mine, liberalism, false believers, the situation with the CNBB here where I live), but I'm not fully decided yet, I love the church, I was raised in it and I attended to the mass since a child, it isn't a easy task to just simply "quit".

I want this thread to be a debate about which Denon is truly the closest to Jesus teachings, i am truly compromised in accepting the one faith that is the closest to God, no matter which one.

Please, keep the debate civil, we, Christians, shouldn't fight with each other even if you think that someone is heretical, just try to convert them, that's what a true Cristian should always do.

So, I need you, Christian who already have a denomination, to defend it and teach me why you think it is the closest to Jesus teachings.

Please forgive me if my english is bad, it isn't my first language.

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a18725  No.794330

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most protestants convert from Protestantism to Catholicism when studying history of the early Christians.

However really you should focus most of all on repenting of your sins, giving thanks to God showing genuine gratitude (everyone knows how to say thank you), and further seeking the truth. God gives wisdom to those he is pleased with Ecclesiastes 2:26. If you know you have repented, God absolutely will guide you. One day you will be able to rely on him a little.

a18725  No.794331


well, on second thought maybe you should focus on joining the right church first. I might be getting ahead of myself.

f548cc  No.794348


>You should've seen what it was like back when we still had flags.

Ah, the good old days

82ddc7  No.794351


>spoonfeed me

It seems to me that each thread except for relationship/purity gets quickly into interdominational dispute. Sorry I am just too lazy to put a coherent response. It's all so tiresome after all those threads why not look there. We have every two weeks "ortho vs catholic" thread. It is getting tiresome.

0fb7bc  No.794356


most protestants convert from >"Protestantism to Catholicism when studying history of the early Christians."

Except the huge amount that become reformed or lutheran. Which is probably alot more than the amount becoming catholic. Cathodox aren't the only ones who get to claim the church fathers.

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6b17dd  No.794196[Reply]

For those of you who don't know intersex women are humans that were born with XY chromosomes to be born a man. However their testicles don't drop and somehow they develop into a female. In the eyes of God are intersex women men or women?

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ac74f9  No.794253


> For those of you who don't know intersex women are humans that were born with XY chromosomes to be born a man. However their testicles don't drop and somehow they develop into a female.

That's not how it works, there is no such thing as intersex or hermaphrodite humans. What exists are men/boys and women/girls who were born with birth defects that make their genitalia ambiguous, such as internal testicles. However, someone whose testicles do not protrude is still 100% male. It was Frankenstein-tier (((doctors))) who decided they knew better and castrated those boys after birth to be raised as girls. These monsters are an abomination, they ruined the lives of innocent children and spread the poison of gender theory into society.

I'm currently looking for a job and every job offer is now listed as M/F/X, it is required by law in Germany:



3ae65d  No.794288


What is impotent?

8a9db7  No.794304


You're kidding. It means you can't get a boner.

1d98f7  No.794312


C’mon, man…cut us non-native English speakers some slack. Not all of us know or knew the meaning of that word.

65b849  No.794340

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We are living in late stage earth. There is no time for such infantilism.

You should be out there bleeding for God in dignity! You still are concerned with slide threads on last meeting places? Get stuffed!

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ec17cd  No.703403[Reply]

Does anyone listen to Christian music? I'm a catholic but I find it soothing and helpful spiritually. It focuses my mind on God.


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d64a9c  No.794027

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05cc04  No.794237


all good is from God thus all good music is Christian

>All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

05cc04  No.794238


Requiescat in pace

3b21ee  No.794277

Is there any good 'current' CCM out there? I know a girl who really is into CCM, but I can't really get into it. Any good recs?

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8f8833  No.793223[Reply]

Anti-abortion film a surprise boxoffice success…

That put the film in an unexpected fourth place for the week behind the much bigger budget pictures "Dumbo," "Us," and "Captain Marvel."


New York (AFP) - A movie produced by a Christian studio about a former employee of an organization that provides abortions who became a "pro-life" activist is proving to be a surprising box office hit. "Unplanned," which was released in theaters on March 29, has pulled in more than 8.6 million dollars in North America, according to Box Office Mojo. "Unplanned" comes amid a resurgent campaign in the United States by opponents of abortion, which was legalized in the United States in a landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision. Among those promoting the movie has been the deeply religious vice president, Mike Pence. "So good to see movie theaters across the country showing @UnplannedMovie," Pence tweeted. "More & more Americans are embracing the sanctity of life because of powerful stories like this one."Building on its early buzz, "Unplanned" is to be shown in more than 1,500 theaters across the United States this weekend, up from 1,059 the weekend of its release.

Produced by the self-described Christian studio Pure Flix, "Unplanned" was launched with little advertising because most cable TV channels reportedly refused to air ads for the film. Anti-abortion groups have denounced this as part of an orchestrated campaign which they claim also included the film being attributed an "R" rating by the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA). An "R" rating requires anyone under the age of 17 going to a movie to be accompanied by a parent or adult guardian. Fueling the criticism was the brief suspension by Twitter of the movie's account, which the company attributed to a technical problem. Writing in The Washington Post, columnist Marc Thiessen called "Unplanned" the "movie abortion supporters don't want you Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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286fd5  No.794112


No. You can be forgiven of all of your sins. do NOT listen to this guy. The only sin you can't be forgiven of is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is when you continuously reject Gods grace, and if you did reject that, you wouldn't even be trying to be Christian or worrying about it. :) God bless.

c06645  No.794120


>redemption = avoiding execution

No sin is beyond redemption. The so-called "good thief" better referred to as the "repentant thief" who was crucified at the right hand of God has been redeemed.

He was also still killed for his crimes, whatever they were, which were likely far worse than mere theft, seeing as he was crucified for them by the Romans.

The two (civil penalties vs redemption and forgiveness) aren't at all equivalent, and this used to be common knowledge, as judges would sentence a criminal to be executed with the words "and may God have mercy on your soul."

I will add this. When you hate that a sinner finds redemption, you sin with envy, just as the brother of the prodigal did. The Lord wants nothing more than to find His lost sheep.


Nothing is beyond redemption from if you are truly repentant. Paul was a murderer and persecutor of Christ.


Good stuff here.

a57011  No.794174


There are two unforgivable sins, the other one is taking the Mark of the Beast

eabf1e  No.794202



Gee, have you stopped to think that logic could then be applied to letting children consume all types of questionable media as well? Maybe the age restrictions should be lowered.

e5fda2  No.794250

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Why take the Lord's name in vain, especially here?

I know "gee" is not "Jesus" but isn't it a lame substitute by people who do not want to say the whole thing.

I realize it is pushed everywhere and sometimes it crosses my mind when I get angry or something. But we should not use it. It is like saying "xmas".

Sorry if I am annoying but I already hear people taking the lords name in vain IRL all the time. It's all so irritating.

As for the rest of your post: maybe the questionable media should be banned so children are not spoiled by them.


woke, based and breadpilled

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335a26  No.793152[Reply]

Priest's 150-Year-Old Heart Being Worshipped in NYC…

The 150-year-old heart of a French priest is on a U.S. tour, a Roman Catholic relic with New York City as its latest stop.


NEW YORK (AP) — THE 150-year-old heart of a French priest is on a U.S. tour — a Roman Catholic relic with New York City as its latest stop. It was on display Saturday at St. Patrick's Cathedral on Fifth Avenue, where both the faithful and the curious lined up to see the human organ behind glass. The Knights of Columbus fraternity is sponsoring the pilgrimage of the heart they say has miraculously never decomposed. Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, is to lead a Sunday procession venerating the heart of Saint John Vianney (pronounced vyah-NEH'). He lived during the French Revolution, helping to hide priests on the run. The tradition of venerating the body parts of saintly Catholics goes back to the Middle Ages in Italy.

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e31a51  No.794180


Don't waste your time responding to a Charlie Post.

507562  No.794187


Are you just going around posting this in every thread? I can't even be bothered posting another fedora for you.

a705f4  No.794222


Evangelicals being judaized is not a strawman. It is a fact. Not all of them but there are enough sects with this attitude.


are you a jew? serious question. You surely sound like one.

77aaf0  No.794235

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b57f32  No.794242


Ow ThE eDgE

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0b104c  No.793656[Reply]

How do we stop modern, jewish degeneracy, /christian/?

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e14a41  No.793981


Rejoice because Jesus told us they’ll try to do that and worse. Just…don’t be too much of a “weirdo”, acting like a lunatic: be a simple and humble Christian.

d7e60c  No.794068


Just point out you dislike degeneracy. Seriously there are two kinds of poeople: that will respect you for having morals even though they do not live up to it/do not care to live up to them and then there are people without any morals, any decency…the latter may mock you for that.

Their opinion does not really matter though.

d7e60c  No.794071


Like…the mockery is the easiest thing that can happen to person.

With my opinions I am cornered into them being ridiculed in MSM daily, sometimes overhearing people ridiculing nationalism/faith/traditions. I am used to people laughing at my values. Fools always laugh at what they do not understand. We should be ready for such minor challenges as ridicule.

From my experience most people will not dare to continue ridiculing it if you show disdain for their approach and show confidence over them mocking you anyway. It works only if it touches you. If not, you will project strength which will gain respect from opponents and will encourage the less confident to come out of their shell, thus increasing our ranks. That is the goal. We have higher numbers people are just afraid because "muh mockery"

Do not wait for others to take charge of the situation. Be the first to step into the battlefield, others will follow.

bbe076  No.794096





First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

d7e60c  No.794218


I think "board elitism" is cringe. But try to think about it this way: We got on 8ch christian. Most people do not even know about this board, let alone 8ch pol. Most people know 4chan at most.

That itself does not mean we're "better" but it implies we are somewhat in the rabbit hole and have the potential to get the information hardly accessible by most people on "normal web".

What it means is that by default we should hold ourselves to the highest standard possible. Not because muh 8ch or muh /christian/ but because it is what we're supposed to do anyway and because we're likely to realize the full extent of seriousness of people falling away from faith. We have the full internet at our disposal to get information. Books, means of memes to propagate our vision, podcasts, interviews….there's a lot. The goal should be to set oneself firm for the real life.

What is essentially needed: create an immovable island in the sea of degeneracy. The waves will not eclipse such an island. When there are people in the sea who want to come to land, they will seek your company.

Like…people, especially on /pol/, like to cry about how everything is screwed, about the jews…and then they go on to smear Christianity, shill for paganism and even defend forms of degeneracy. This is just misdirection. Better…be hip, be smart and well read, redpill people irl, if you wish. But hold yourself to the highest virtue you can cultivate. Even if it means discomfort to you, even if it takes months.

Start by dropping jewish porn and masturbation. Go out socialize, start working out, go to church. Read valuable books and learn some hobby. The rest will fall into place and you will change your life for better.

Seriously. The God gave you the information you received here/somewhere else. Those are tokens and you should not hide them in the ground, rather multiply them. I unironically think that being "woke" is more demanding than being ignorant because somehow one is more responsible. What will one say before the almighty? "I knew porn wasPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

6a5a80  No.792003[Reply]

Explain the trinity.

When I say 'explain', I mean actually explain it. No analogies, no parables, no sophistry. Actually explain how it can work.

Pic not related, I hope.

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1b4c72  No.793588


Dont engorge yourself with pride thinking your little human mind(even how great it is) can understand such a thing, it is an arrogance to think one can fully understand it. Not everything fits into neat little rational boxes that can be explained, dissected, and described.

c649e5  No.793590

When they wanted to turn Christianity into something pagans would follow they made jesus into a God and yet they wanted to pretend they were still monotheistic so they invented the trinity concept to blend the paganism better with the Jewish roots

730ac3  No.794129


Praying for you brother. Proof that he loves is is that he has allowed us to choose to love him and follow him, or not love him and hurt others in that process. God bless :)

af9b1b  No.794158


You've got a weird misconception about the line of reasoning of the unmoved mover. God is the unmoved mover because He is moving and causing things to happen right now, in the present. He didn't just "set things in motion" and leave; if He had done that then nothing could be moving right now. Nothing can be actual without the constant intervention of God. Obviously, God is much more than just the unmoved mover, but this is one of the ways in which we can know that God must exist.

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a32b11  No.781779[Reply]

Americans to split with United Methodist Church over same sex marriage.

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a750ad  No.794104

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They do have central authority figure, He is the same as yours. However, does not mean that they won't rebel and disagree with one another.

40a36b  No.794123

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>the prot Pope is the same as the actual Pope

Last I checked Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to St. Peter not pastor Jimantha.

d38a90  No.794126

What's going to be the new name? Are all the US Methodists pro LGBT?

3d8496  No.794130


There are Free Methodists that don't share the UMC's stance on homosexuality. There's also the Wesleyan Methodist Church and the Association of Independent Methodists. The UMC won't schism, but those who don't like the LGBT crap will simply move on to another Methodist church.

fcd311  No.794152


I like to use these types of events to reach out to disaffected members and tell them about Orthodoxy. I agree with your take in general, but there's always the opportunity to poach a few, maybe even a whole congregation may come over, it's happened before with other prots.

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4566bd  No.745436[Reply]

Are people really paid to shill here?

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9b37e5  No.793043


Why would they waste their time and what will they gain from it?

438e47  No.793045


>why would they waste their time

They have nothing better to do

>what do they gain?

They sow discord and discontent which demoralizes people. It's a common leftist tactic. Once you are able to demoralize your enemy you are able to break them. think Israel hijacking Palestinian airwaves to broadcast porn, things like that.

d01cb4  No.793171


It wouldn't surprise me if there were actual Roman Catholic vocationists shilling on here, because they have all the money in the world and nothing better to do with their time. This is what the mods probably are.

f8d257  No.794132

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75104d  No.793565[Reply]

I'm starting to doubt whether or not having children in this God forsaken world is a good thing brethrens.

What's the point of having a progeny in a world that is going to hell ? They will witness things that no one should. Just to have more people in His kingdom ? Then why stop at 4, 5 ? Why not produce thousand of offsprings ?

Someone enlighten me on anti-natalism (or Nihilism as a whole) and Christianity, please. God bless.

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75104d  No.793982

Thank you everyone. I hope to get futher guidance from our Lord on whether or not I should pursue children.

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df4355  No.794019


Hi Noah, name’s Mark!

235910  No.794028


I think the point is that Noah had children even though the world was literally going to come to an end. It puts OP in perspective.

694d7b  No.794056

the world has always been filled with godlessness and sin since the fall. there is nothing new under the sun.

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57b9de  No.792996[Reply]

Is everything fated? Like is every single event already predetermined to occur by God which we have absolutely no control over? Even this moment right here and me typing this was all predetermined? Is there no such thing as coincidences then? What does the Bible say?

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4c1b3a  No.793598



Also the suggestion that you can solve the free-will versus determinism debate in philosophy, on the authority of the Bible alone is an epistemological fail, so there's no point in trying to prove that the Bible endorses it either way.

At best it's just what the Orthodox might call a homologumenon, in other words, cool_story_bro.jpg

408c97  No.793605


>Plain reading is not always correct reading, this goes for the quote here

Yes, context is key and you should also try to figure out the point the writer is trying to prove. But I believe that there is no possible alternative when reading the verses that I have posted. If there is I would love to hear it.

>What has Athens to do with Jerusalem? Zero

Beautiful quote by tertullian. The funny thing is that even though tertullian said that, little did he know he himself was actually reading pagan philosophy into the scripture. I see that we are moving from a debate about what the bible says to one of philosophy and epistemology and other such things but it's funny since assuming that you are a cathodox you believe in the trinity, a doctrine that relies heavily on gnostic terms such as ousia and hypostasis to explain itself. Just because it uses terms and language foreign to the bible does that mean it is false? I mentioned earlier that I don't just find verses in the bible that say words but also try to see if the purpose of the text is to prove what I want it to. That is, when it uses such terms does it mean it in the sense that I mean it? This is why although romans 8 talks about predestination I don't use it because it does not neccesarily entail my definition of it.

But if we go on I like how you compare our view of predestination to the stoic and greek view of it. To the greeks fate was a immaterial force that favoured no one and had to real purpose. Even the gods were subject to it and couldn't resist fate. On the other hand, as Ephesians 1:11 states, all things are predestined for a purpose and that is to bring all of God's people back to him and for God to be glorified.

408c97  No.793606


I think you've misunderstood sola scriptura. Sola scriptura is just that we see the bible as the ultimate authority and we can use philosophy, which I see as a way to understand things at their most basic level. And that is fine but you should never substitute the bible for philosphy but rather philosophy is a tool that we use to understand the bible and theology better.

4c1b3a  No.793629


Let's back it up a minute. We're not naturalists, so there are two ways things can be predestined.

>1) The final ends of things (teleological determinism)

>2) What is going on here and now (hard determinism)

I get the decided impression that Paul is talking about predestination in the first sense, meaning our final fate and purpose is to be united to God. I am disinclined to believe that he was speaking in the second sense. Hard determinism was considered fringe back then (and still is to some extent today). The consensus in Cathodox circles is free will, and I as an Anglican (yeah I know) we agree.

a7b018  No.794007


>I wanted to give early evidence for the existence of of our belief and prove that it isn't a 16th century innovation.

There is nothing new under the sun. There's early evidence for questioning God's word in the garden of Eden, still doesn't make it right even a little bit. This whole point is completely irrelevant it gets you nowhere. If we as individuals reject the concrete meaning of words such as all then pretty soon we're talking past each other with completely different languages that sound the same.

>Ok, right off the bat we have a typical arminian talking point.

Arminians reject eternal security though. So what does that have to do with any of the scripture I brought up? Calvinist and arminians are both wrong and a total false dichotomy.

>We see here that even before the pharaoh was even asked about letting the people of isreal go God alraedy told moses beforehand than he will harden the pharaohs heart.

Now you're confusing foreknowledge with actively preventing belief which is what hardening is. Also, I'm pretty sure the Pharaoh wasn't an unborn child when God said this. There's good reason to believe by this point he was quite possibly reprobate or a good way towards it. And we know that he hardened his own heart first early on, we can account that to the Pharaoh himself.

You would like to lay all the blame for sin at the feet of God, but Jeremiah 19:5 clearly demonstrates that he is not the author of sin, as I have said before.

They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind: - Jeremiah 19:5

>we see that it's always shown that God was the one i charge

This still doesn't remove accountability to Pharaoh for his sins. This was pharaoh being recompensed for his own actions and God used it to magnify his ownPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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3e8855  No.793707[Reply]

I have work where I can listen to stuff for long hours. I'm looking for podcast, lectures, audiobook, anything audio really that would be great. It can be bible studies, sermons, christian podcasts, discussions, debate, whatever. Ofcourse that means the actual amount of material fitting the criteria is overwhelming so I ask you: what would you recommend? What has been your favorite for deepening your knowledge and faith? Thanks, have a blessed day.

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b3e825  No.793863



Hi friend. Look up this app called “VoiceDream” . It’s a text to speech app, and it’s designed for blind people. It costs money, (more than most apps), but it’s completely worth it (seriously). The voices that it has are much much better than the ones that come stock on your phone / computer. The voices that come with the VoiceDream app are … ok, but there are others that are even better imo. I use the one called “Brian (UK)” (The UK styled pronunciation I’ve found is a little bit more clear at higher rates of speed, because it enunciates the consonants a bit more). All told, $25 should get you the app plus one voice extra.

>church fathers

With that set up, then you can download , for instance , the philokalia , the Bible, whatever suits your fancy. Give it a try, see what you think. It has honestly been a game changer.

501aec  No.793885


Okay sorry ur right

d12151  No.793984


Or you can just get an audio Bible app for free. They have a bunch of versions with real human beings reading the scriptures to you.

d12151  No.793986


Learn the Bible in 24 Hours with Chuck Missler. Or any of his other 24 hour studies.

cee2cf  No.793989


Cringe and redditpilled

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c1c339  No.790515[Reply]

I heard this thrown around a few times, curious what you guys have to say.

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5d18dd  No.790842

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Based and "actually reading mythological texts like Gilgamesh instead of repeating memes"pilled.

ce8c39  No.793800


Is it Because blood line?

c2b70d  No.793887


So apparently the Dead Sea Scrolls have scriptures that the Israelites lost or removed at some point right? Well in the Book of Giants, Gilgamesh is listed as a Nephilim. That implies that all pagan gods are various cultural depictions of angels during the Antediluvian period, if they're not man made idols. Pagan religions copied us, not the other way around.

418df5  No.793896


>the Book of Giants


ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, also the meme says Nephilim were the children of angels, not angels themselves

0ac4dc  No.793920


>the Book of Giant

What is this, discount book of Enoch?

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583424  No.792811[Reply]

I'm new here so I don't know if there's a specific thread I should be posting in or if this warrants a thread by itself, but I really need help.

I, for many years of my life, have been burdened by homosexual urges. I don't believe I was born this way, some of my earliest memories was chasing girls in preschool and I never really found myself interacting with girls the same way I do with men. Ever since puberty, I have found myself wanting to perform sexual acts with men. I want to say that this is because of pornography (which I have been quitting thanks be to God), but the source doesn't matter. I want to get rid of these demonic temptations.

What should I do? Is there any literature I can read or groups I can join that aren't BS?

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99dc54  No.793871


I was only half serious. The luminous mysteries aren't actually part of the Rosary that Our Lady told us to pray, but at the end of the Rosary, I feel that the prayer to St. Micheal is a staple that everyone should pray.

e64fdb  No.793876




To all of you folk and for anybody who deals with lustful thoughts in general as well. The first step that you need to do is to not dwell on these thoughts of lusts.

Be more diligent in your daily life, the moment a lustful thought crosses your mind immediately rebuke it. And then drown it out with an Our Father and Hail Mary, Prayer to your Guardian Angel or the St. Michael prayer.

Take your pick I would recommend praying the last two in general each day as well in addition to whatever prayer to our Lord you already do.

By praying everytime you catch yourself in a sinful thought you're not only praying to the Lord for deliverance and aid in overcoming these thoughts. You're also training yourself to just drop these thoughts immediately. I used to have many a sinful lustful thoughts cross my mind each day, they have lessened greatly over time doing the aforementioned rebuking and prayer. And when they do come they're instantly silenced by thoughts of God.

It is a start to your problems anyhow, for the one anon that is typically straight thinking that should fix both your issues. To the anons that have SSA as a default, once you stop thinking about lustful thoughts you can work on trying to change the root of the problem. I can't offer much to help you here in this regard unfortunately, all I can do is include you in my prayers. I think the rosary daily with intentions of overcoming homosexuality is a good idea. And I believe there are some good sites that help Christians overcome SSA.

God bless you anons and good luck.

727b0a  No.793877


Since you haven't always been like that, and consider it weird yourself, chances are they aren't inherent impulses and are learned behaviour.

Some possible reasons:

1. you have low self esteem in one area or another, this makes you want to 'give up' or be submissive to other men

2. you confuse a wanting of brotherhood with sexual ideas. being liked and respected by your male peers, and bonding with them in brotherly ways is what you probably really want but don't understand it.

3. porn - years of porn inducing escalation of perverted fetishes which don't at all reflect your real sexuality or what you really want from life.

Stop porning forever, stop fapping for a month or so, and avoid sexual thoughts as a whole for a while. After around 6 months, you'll realise your mind feels a lot cleaner, and the fetishes are gone.

4. not enough male role models when growing up. you learned feminine behaviour from being around your mother too much. you can fix it, and raise yourself now, by reading and studying real men, and by spending time with fully developed men. do what they do, spend time with them, and over time you will have learned a lot.

You mention porn, the longer you are away from it, and the less you think about it, the less hold it will have on you. You won't even think about it and will wonder why you ever found it interesting in the first place after a year.

There's a website called 'your brain on porn' which explains some it. Read some stuff on there for a few hours, you'll feel better.

Also, if you masturbate, then do it only in the shower, away from the computer, thinking about penetrating a girl you know/like/have a chance with, and no weird or taboo stuff. Do it maximum 2-3 times a week, spend no longer than 10-15 minutes on it. That way it won't have a hold on you anymore, especially with porn gone.

When you have a girlfriend/wife, stop masturbating completely if you are having intercourse with her. Beforehand, though, it could be helpful for you to masturbate to the idea of her, it will make you less nePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

727b0a  No.793880


Stay away from porn forever, stop masturbating for a month or two so that masturbating no longer has a hold over your behaviour or mind or routine.

It is difficult the first few weeks, but after that it does become a lot easier.

Keep yourself busy, stay around other people as much as possible, keep your door/curtains open so you don't have privacy in the first few weeks or as long as you need.

Don't make a big deal out of it if you slip up, just start again and consider it a positive that you went for however many days without it.

In your thoughts, just push away the wrong ones, and perverted urges, they are just echoes of the porn, and will go away in time.

It might help to express anger AT the thought, not at yourself, and shout at it to go away, either in your head or out loud if you want. That will put you in control.

When you have a long term girlfriend, you will realise that you love being around her, love everything about her, and porn and any weird fetishes will be completely gone from your mind. You'll instead experience a great thrill from simply holding her hand or kissing her on the lips.

Focus on those things, not everything in life is about sex, even though that is what porn wants us to believe.

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Technically the prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel isn't a part of the Rosary either. But that's neither here nor there. It's always good to pray the St. Michael prayer after all prayer sessions imo.

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