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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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7d8c94  No.820971[Reply]

Why did Vatican II have to happen?

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62b381  No.821030

>>820971

depends if you believe in free will or not.


47ec2a  No.821136

>>820971

Why did Vatican I have to happen?


23e901  No.821156

>>821025

This look at the resurgence of traditional belief. Return to Sacramentals and the traditional mass if slow is an encouraging thing to see.

The Lord did not reveal himself all at once in the 3rd day he took his time and started slowly.


3184ed  No.821159

>>820982

>"Communion on the tongue is gross!", another said.

what the hell? i'm never going back to communion on the hand. i almost dropped the eucharist once because i'm a klutz. if it makes you feel better though, i'm kinda in the same boat. my parish has a literal rock band with drums even. i don't ever go to the masses with them, i go to the evening mass, but sometimes i have to go to the rock band mass and it winnie the pooh sucks.


3184ed  No.821160

>>821014

spooky




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dfeda9  No.820912[Reply]

Hello /chritians/.

As I entered the in the Chrstian religion, i have this question that is stuck in my head. Who's the real church of God?

Is the Roman Catholic Churc? or in reality is one the other branches like the Orthodox? or the Baptist?, or other Protestants Churches?

What's your explaination anons?

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8376c9  No.821121

>>821083

literally wat? The "apocrypha" was contained in the ancient LXX/DSS scriptures Jesus himself likely taught from. There's simply no way of reconciling that with the notion that the validity of scriptures was somehow completely vague until 1500 years after Jesus' death.


377901  No.821129

>>821083

It was canonized at Hippo and Carthage.


ada744  No.821150

>>820979

>>820981

>>820984

You know those paintings are anit-religious, right? They seemed deeply disturbing, so I reverse searched them. The artist calls himself "Stu Mead". Google it at your own discretion, since "art" of girls having sex with demons on top of an altar and other similar things will come up (lots and lots of """art""" of naked young girls). Here's the wikipedia article about this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Mead

If you were saving those pics as "Christian art", you may want to rethink it.


2c4fa0  No.821154

>>820921

that's fine - it just means that people have to become roman catholic to be saved. If a man were to die a protestant, but then through some means become catholic before his soul is judged, he would of course be saved just like any catholic who died catholic, because he is a catholic, with a catholic baptism and everything. It is therefor possible for those who die as non-catholics to be saved, without contradicting no salvation outside the church, and why the church holds that it is possible for protestants to be saved… by converting :).

The holy spirit experienced death on the cross too, he is in no way lacking in the redemptive economy. So through a baptism of spirit, prots and even outright non-Christians gain at least one opportunity to convert to Catholicism. It is absolutely necessarily true that conversion outside of earthly life is possible, because if it weren't, the old testament saints would still be in hell (which contradicts scripture that says they are after Jesus preached the gospel to the dead, are now saved). These men had not recieved a catholic baptism, - the grace of rebirth as a child of God [which is why they were in limbo in the first place], and yet were saved in the end as Catholics through a baptism of spirit. It could not be through material water, for there is likely no matter in hell.

Lastly if it were true that there was no salvation outside the church AND that people did not have any opportunity to convert to Catholicism, then this would contradict Christ's own principles. ex. would have commit no sin, but told you many signs and miracles, so now you have commited sin.

yada yada that's the gist of it anyways.


bd0d49  No.821342

>>821150

Thank you anon, I am aware. He is one of my favorite artist.




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2dbea7  No.820976[Reply]

Former baptist then atheist here, I’m finally giving into Christianity as the truth but I constantly see arguments online between Caths and Orthodox with some claiming the others are heretics.

There’s a OCA church near me and a Coptic one closer (in America, not interested in Catholicism). How do I decide which one to go to? Do I go to hell if I’m an OO/Coptic? Also how welcoming are they to non Greeks/Egyptians?

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a5bdd1  No.821031

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>>821021

>Erick Ybarra

He really has a tendency to overstate his case. When pressed by actual Orthodox scholars that know their history, he comes off as much less informed about things than he tries to let on. See vid related for example.


726d95  No.821131

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>>821031

He's still very accessible. Against Eastern Orthodoxy, there are older, traditional Catholic refutations, like the following:

https://archive.org/details/primacyofapostol00kenrrich/page/n1

https://archive.org/details/orthodoxeasternc00fort/page/n1

I know ya'll dislike when people bring up less theological issues like ordained female deacons, contraception, and divorce, but the point is that there is no real Scriptural precedent for any of those things, and you can say Scripture condemns them.


e11c60  No.821135

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Welcome to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church brother, I am in your boots as well being a catechumen. I highly recommend the OCA one as the Copts, while being great people overall, do not accept the Council of Chalcedon. Chalcedon is essential to understanding Christ, the Kingdom of Heaven, and Christ's Church here on earth.

OCA have their own issues, but it's mostly a mixed bag. I would recommend if possible a Serbian, Romanian, Russian, or Bulgarian congregation as these tend to be more traditional.

I know many ex-Baptists who have returned to the church. I myself was a cradle Roman Catholic now converting to Orthodox Catholicism.

God bless you. I pray that you will find answers to your questions in time and the patience to let those answers come.


ef45ea  No.821138

>>821027

>Miaphysitism = Dyophistism

Unironically cringe and bluepilled. Learn2Chalcedon.


f5ff0b  No.821148

I would go to the OCA.

>>821007

>faggotry, the post




efa4cf  No.821081[Reply]

One problem that certain allegedly "christian" sects like Jehovah's Witnesses have with church doctrine is surrounding the immortality of the soul and our heavenly destiny.

When questioned on this, the JW will say "Why were we created on Earth if we were meant to be in heaven? Why not just create us in heaven to begin with?"

This is the usual theme with the JW cult - humanize everything, minimize the spiritual, anything that doesn't make immediate rational sense must be false.

How would you respond to this objection in a way that they can understand? (Remembering that their spiritual/church/historical knowledge is extremely stunted)

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44190f  No.821117

>>821107

Which is hilarious because those very people idolize the Bible and have never read the Old Testament.

Also, really Mods? There was nothing pornograpic about that Christina meme. for those that didn't see it, it was Christina as a crusader holding up a muslim in a threatening manner, you know something a CRUSADER would do


4a6e5c  No.821127

>>821115

>The main problem of the JW, like most protestant sects

Disingenuous. They are not Protestant since they are non-trinitarian.


6e76fe  No.821132

>>821127

True they deny the trinity at the very least Prots believe in that.

Also you pray the Rosary at them because the first act is Saying the Apostles Creed. Which they openly deny.

You then say the mysteries that they deny.

The Rosary was literally made to fight heretics.


efa4cf  No.821140

>>821115

>>821117

Yeah.. there was nothing pornographic, unwholesome, heretical, or otherwise rule violating anything else about that image. Mods need to lighten the winnie the pooh up.

polite sage


efa4cf  No.821142

>>821115

Speaking as a long-since-former JW decades ago, there's no idolatry happening because there is no worship - not even to the level of sola scriptura. That's flatly the wrong term to be using.

That aside, their response there is that God guided the hand of the early church by way of holy spirit when the canon was compiled, bringing holiness out of evil as is done so many times.




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c5c042  No.657770[Reply]

Purpose

This thread is to help all the Orthodox anons on this board to gather their thoughts, uplift each other, share edifying materials, and ask important questions.

Glory be to God in all things.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Useful Links

Ancient Faith Radio: http://www.ancientfaith.com/

OrthodoxWiki: https://orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page

Canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0835/_INDEX.HTM

The Orthodox Church in America: https://oca.org/

Orthodox Christianity (a site that hosts articles predominantly written by clergy): http://orthochristian.com/

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341090  No.820444

>>820436

hahaha forgive me, http://otelders.org/


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90104b  No.820447

>>820444

>>820445

Thanks, those Orthodox Talks that that other anon recommended should keep me busy a while though. Hundreds of hours and the talks seem rather good.


341090  No.820530

>>820447

Fr Cosmas is good, a friend of mine gave me a few his talks the other day. I do recommend listening to some of the elders though. They are mostly short clips.


c76c1e  No.821130

>>821125

I've been there a few times. I like it except the mods seem to get upset over everything. To be fair the Catholics are kinda being dicks. I'll visit both boards from now on.




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dd660b  No.820598[Reply]

The miracle of reconverting Russia, Ukraine and Belarus to Orthodox Christianity.

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a203f6  No.821058

>>821038

>>821042

>But Ukrainian faith is exactly strong because they don't want anything to do with Russia.

The church that I visit (outside Russia) has priests, deacons, cantors of various slavic ethnicity (Ukrainian included) and even American priest (he went back to US though). The matter of the church is the matter of faith, not worldly politics and the question of where is the seat of faith and where is the centre of church; and the faith is still going strong both within and outside Russia. We chose our denomination based on faith and belief, not which nation is the host or the seat.


1948be  No.821059

>>820886

It matters because how Reunification happens and you know it.

Don’t misrepresent me the Mother of God knew all those things obviously because she tells us they were going to happen.

Follow me in this.

>Russia is massive EO Country

>not in Communion with Rome

>Mary goes to the Catholics

>Mary warns the Catholics about Communisim and WW2

>tells The Pope and his Bishops to Consecrate Russia so she will be converted

>says if the Pope does is in time Eastern Orthodox Russia will be spared from Communisim and Converted again what is she converting them to if the whole country is EO

>she then implies she knows the Pope will fail to do this

>Mary then guarantees after great suffering and the blood of innocent martyrs being spilled that the previous thing the said about Russia

>that she would do even if Communisim failed would still happen

>Rome will reject its heresies and Become Orthodox again

Sure but remember the Holy Virgin repeatedly says remain loyal to your superior. And the Superior of the Other Churches was always Rome. Just a Peter was always the Superior of the Apostles.


bcdc6f  No.821071

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>>821058

>The matter of the church is the matter of faith, not worldly politics

True, but for the Russian church it's 100% politics and no faith. The Eucharist for them is just a tool for political alliances and pressure. That's the reason why atheism runs rampant in Russia, because the people don't see faith anywhere. That's also the reason why in Ukraine things are different, because they want to stay away from this blasphemous situation Putin and Kirill have created. It's about faith and not about the country.

>the faith is still going strong both within and outside Russia

Right now, the muslims in Russia might be on par with the Orthodox

>>821040

4,3 million Russians celebrated Easter in 2019 (out of 144 millions). 50% of Russians don't know what Easter is about>>821039

Maybe Kirill should stop harassing Orthodox people in other countries and start taking care of his own country otherwise in a few decades he won't have a flock at all and his Orthodox Vatican will be useless.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/06/27/russian-church-plans-2-bln-orthodox-vatican-a66182


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a4229b  No.821113

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>>821037

>I know some prophecies on both sides speak of the Reunification of the Churches, so maybe it's tied to that.

Personally, St. Malachy's prophecy (and it's connection to the 3rd secret of Fatima, see vid related) makes me suspect that whatever happens to Russia, they probably won't become "Catholic" as we currently understand it. That prophecy is unusually accurate and on the verge of completion, implying that something big is going to change with the structure of the Catholic church somehow in the not too distant future, and I don't think it would make any sense for Russia to convert to something that's just about to have the rug pulled underneath it.




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e5a77b  No.809134[Reply]

I don't know what to do or where to go. Janitors/mods please have mercy on me if this breaks some rules.

I have been plagued with homosexual temptations since I was 11 years old (now 18). About the same age I was introduced to internet pornography (no surprise). I've been resisting them as much as I can over the years. I'm attracted to and have only dated women, but deep within my mind an attraction and urge to engage with men has existed, tormenting me. Tonight, I failed. I thought I had put all of the crossdressing, gay urges, etc behind me but iy resurfaced in a way that I succumbed to. I engaged in sexual actions with other men only a few hours ago.

I don' know what to do. How do I fight/rid myself of these urges? I don't feel any guilt and that worries me. I don't want to be a sodomite. Please help me and pray for me.

ITT: How to combat homosexual urges.

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d5587f  No.809272

I feel you OP. I also suffer with degenerate sexual impulses but in my case I like little girls. I do my best to fight these feelings, and I don't believe I'll ever act on them. I'm sorry you have acted on yours and I will pray for you.


c98054  No.809335

>>809272

>>809134

Imagine cutting out your fantasies spiritually with a knife just like you are actually cutting off a part of your body

Also keep fasting and praying in this process.

Best of luck, christanons


d5587f  No.809359

>>809335

Fasting has helped in the past. Thank you.


a45d87  No.809613

>>809134

So how did it go Op? Are you feeling better?


6f5475  No.821105

>>809134

>I don't feel any guilt and that worries me.

Do you want to feel guilty? I wouldn't worry too much. Like with all animals, the human sexual drive is strong. Those who deny it and are talked into believing it can be prayed away, ironically have a tendency of end up in the velvet mafia.

If you don't want to be a sodomite, paying extra attention to consent would serve you well.

I would suggest talking with a female you trust, it's risky, but she could massively improve your quality of life.




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a50e0f  No.820403[Reply]

What are you opinions on drugs and/or drug abuse? What do you think about weed or alcohol in general?

Any of you had trouble with addiction before or right now? How do you deal with it or how did you deal with it?

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684270  No.820919

>>820747

>Being this dense

I never claimed wine wasn't food, neither that beer wasn't.

The molecule ethanol, better known as "alcohol", which is found back in wine and beer, is, although part of the food, a drug per definition.

It's sedative, slows reaction rate, blurs vision etc. in too high doses.

Wine isn't a drug, ethanol is, but it's found in food like wine.

There is nothing wrong with ethanol being a drug, nor taking ethanol in the form of wine.

It still is, however, a drug.


bc89db  No.820985

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>>820919

>Alcohol in moderate use does not impair normal brain functioning, but immoderate use does.

>Drugs in ordinary use impair normal brain functioning.

A simple distinction. THC for instance blocks neurotransmitters in any dosage. Ethanol does not block neurotransmitters, and this is not pharmekeia.


684270  No.821045

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>>820985

Low dosage alcohol already slows reaction rates although not enough to be any problem (I wouldn't start training after a beer though).

THC also works on your brain in low doses but not enough to have any noticeable effects.

I never even argued if alcohol was pharmakeia or not but apparently if you guys don't strawman your point isn't made.

Whatever mental gymnastics you make alcohol like caffeine and THC and LSD is a DRUG but you guys apparently lack the mental capacity to realize that drugs is just a term to group molecules with a broadly similar effect and not necessarily a bad thing.


1a581e  No.821061

>>821045

Allow me to clear something up. When I use the term drug (recreational, not medicinal) I am referring to pharmekeia: and intentionally induced hallucinogenic state via herbs, felt at any dosage.


bec062  No.821087

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>>820403

Quit everything.




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c85103  No.817073[Reply]

Why do people hate mhfm so much? It seems like "trad" catholics never even try to refute them, but instead resort to ad hominem attacks.

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5f152c  No.821019

>>820991

Eastern catholics celebrate Latin masses? doesn't that kind of defeat the point of being "eastern"?


778f2a  No.821023

>>818059

Yes, but then we're confronted by the next problem - is more schism the answer? I just can't believe that - even if we need to somehow reinfiltrate the Church & force the damn clergy at metaphorical gunpoint to hold a Vatican 3.

What we really need I suspect is a modern scholar on the level of St. Aquinas or St. Augustine, who can restore the Tradition of the Church, but with full understanding of the current political & metaphysical landscape the same way they understood theirs.

Right now I think part of the issue is still the Church floundering with how to reconcile the modern world, with every competing religion known to humanity acting to pull people in a thousand directions (plus new ones like Transhumanism) acting as competition, as well as the obvious challenges from simple Atheism. They seem to be gradually pushing the quasi-pantheistic "Process Theology" & Universalism of people like De Chardin & Illia Delio- which is of course all tied into the quasi-New Age spirituality of Post Modernism.

I'd move in the opposite direction to that of course - it's just the old Gnostic heresies again after all. But it needs to be formulated correctly & really understand the "competition", as well as how to debunk it. So all we need (I think) is a Theological genius familiar with everything from Alfred North Whitehead to the Rig Veda, and able to reinvent the Catholic Dogma in light of all that plus the implications of modern science (without it being pop science tripe). No small task!


8c4afd  No.821033

>>821023

Sedes are materially in schism because they deny the Pope but still have the faith, like during the Western Schism.

>even if we need to somehow reinfiltrate the Church & force the damn clergy at metaphorical gunpoint to hold a Vatican 3.

Okay, so you'll force the modernist Bishops to hold a council? Do you not realize how absurd it is to think that's a solution? They'll just end up with something worse than before. Same absurdity that expects a Cardinal like Kasper to condemn Francis.


8c4afd  No.821035

>>821033

But I also must add that I don't agree with the Sede thesis, nor do I condone their constant attacking everyone but themselves as non-Catholic.


933aae  No.821052

>>821019

They're traditional in their Mass, if it's tradition you want.




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f31e68  No.820800[Reply]

Hey Christanons, I was thinking today about temptation, intrusive thoughts, and attacks by Satan on us every day and had this thought. Why is he still trying if we all know that God has won, without a doubt from the beginning of time? Is it pride or something more?

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6cf297  No.820906

>>820901

I said not in the philosophical definition of it.

Here is how it works. You ever had a dream where you just can't think about what you're doing and you're behaving in an automatic fashion? It's exactly like that. A sort of stupor. You forget about yourself and act out a set course. It is a mercy unto those who have left behind their sin and it is absolutely horrible for those who abide in their sin still.

I know this from firsthand experience.

Your way of putting it is the same I just have one objection:

As for how fast it is, that varies. It can be very fast or it can be a process taking a very long time. It seems to me that, and this is partly influenced by the writings of others and partly my own observations, those who are particularly saintly and elevated in their consciousness and those who are particularly primitive and simpleminded tend to be the fastest. Whereas those who are greatly conflicted seem to take a really long time.

I would like to add: There's different stages you go through too and each stage can take a varied amount of time. There is also a process of continual revelation for those who are saved that goes on through their whole life and the next, which is AWESOME. We'll get to know more and more of God and sing his praises forever. Some people imagine this as this dreary, boring, terrible monotony but it's not like that at all. It's full of life, truth, and glory.


f31e68  No.820910

>>820906

The idea of slowly despising God is absolutely repulsive and terrifying. A slow, eternal decay into nothing.


c8877b  No.820913

>>820846

(Please keep in mind what I'm about to say is from Catholic angelology's perspective, Your Theology May Vary)

That's sort of in the ballpark of correct but still quite far from correct.

The Angels do have free will but they are extra-temporal, the words "still", "once", "eventually" and so on make no sense in this context.

The choice of opposing God is made but it's not made in any point in time, as there is no time.

For us I guess the closest approximation would be to say they choose continuously, but that too is only a projection of their reality onto ours, like a 2D picture of a 3D object, only gives you a rough idea.

To answer OP's question: it cannot be answered, because it's not a question that makes sense when you cross out time.

btw: we'll get to be extra-temporal as well, the Second Coming will be the last event to happen in what we understand to be time, after that (or perhaps: "as a result of that", as there is no "after") we'll experience God in all His timeless glory


c11a53  No.820953

Pretty sure Satan et al were created outside of time, so his perspective on the mortal plane is much different.


5a9cdd  No.821013

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Have some Fr Chad Ripperger explaining angels and demons.




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37adb7  No.820685[Reply]

Hello anons, I have tried praying to Jesus successfully up to last Thursday. Now I am spiritually burned out and can't feel anything. I was doing SO GOOD and then Friday I fell into Lust after burnout. WHAT DO I DO? I was SO AT PEACE more then ever before. I want to feel again, but i'm spiritually drained. AHHHHHH

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b7af93  No.820706

>>820704

It depends on your country, you'd have to talk to your priest. I am not American, but RCIA seems like a good deal, because you can receive also the Sacraments of Eucharist and Confirmation, which will strengthen your faith.


37adb7  No.820708

>>820706

Thank you, /christian/ is full of helpful people. More than I experienced in back in school. They destroyed my faith when i was 12. now with Christ I can be free to love again, and to truly be happy! with work of course! I feel a lot better now, thanks!


dff96c  No.820908

>>820698

Good poast


f14f18  No.821009

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Praying with the expectation to "feel something" or be "at peace" is spiritual masturbation. Prayer might make you feel like crap. It might make you feel really good. More often, it might not make you "feel" anything in particular. You should pray to please God, not for any personal reason except to do the will of God. This is the reason you need to establish a small but consistent prayer rule and do it every single day. If you're starting from absolute zero, I would recommend you make certain to pray one "Our Father" every morning and another Our Father every night. If you have more time and more things to say to God, say them after your mandatory Our Father. Do this no matter how bad or good you feel, without fail. Don't jump ahead to any extensive praying that you can't maintain, and don't fall into the trap of a highly flexible and poorly-defined prayer schedule. God wants consistency from you. He wants you to seek refuge in Him during the bad times, and thank Him for the good times. That is the fruit of unconditional faith.




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ac78ed  No.819822[Reply]

A reminder, you have less than two weeks to submit your base roster to the 8cup thread and secure your entry into the 2019 Summer Cup.

>>>/8cup/3090

http://infinitycup.shoutwiki.com/wiki//christian/

If you want to use your old roster (link above), just say so. It'd be a real shame if you guys don't join up, you're the back to back champions after all.

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3044f9  No.820897

>>820864

Seconding this.


4b2938  No.820969

>>820678

>not vlad the implier


26e67e  No.820989

>>820969

Vlad the Implier is already on /b/, but the historic version can still be claimed.


26e67e  No.820998

Heads up. You guys have less than a week to finish your tweaks and submit your entry to the Cup.

>>>/8cup/3090

>>>/8cup/361


4b2938  No.821336

>>820969

Mods, do you hate me? A meme pic of costanza, implying, deleted? Why? What rule did this break?




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eab7a2  No.819815[Reply]

Why do you need the Dead Sea Scrolls when you have the Septuagint?

Jesus himself used the Septuagint. If it was good enough for him, why isn't it good enough for us? Why don't modern translations of the Old Testament translate from the Septuagint?

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47d120  No.820056

I read the Bible in the Original Latin. Out of jokes, actually according to the Mystical City of God apparently Mark wrote his Gospel in Hebrew and he translated it to Latin when he was in Rome.


94d1dd  No.820615

>>819932

Do you mean the ABP? I have one and its good, the only down side is there's no Deuterocanon.


6d49f9  No.820623

>>819915

There could be reason for man to hide it, no?


dc044c  No.820881

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>>820615

The OSB is the only one that fits that description (including the deuterocanon) as far as I know.


837d54  No.820907

>>819815

Cause they're really old




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e4f6be  No.820687[Reply]

Hello anons, can anyone help me with spiritual burnout? I was doing so good with prayers and peace. NOW I AM SPIRITUALLY drained!!!!

I can't feel anything but tired and I want to scream. I WAS DOING SO GOOD IN MY FAITH! Now i feel NOTHING!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP ME

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d9bb7e  No.820805

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First fault: You need to feel good to serve God when it is a logical action

Second failure: You never connected feeling good to serving God

Third failure: You need to engage yourself in your community and tried to just read books.


519b7f  No.820850

>>820687

Yes you keep praying because it is a logical act. Worshiping God is a logical act.

Feeling good and feeling bad should not matter in this decision.


7f839d  No.820851

>>820732

>on an unrelated note, My Cat is dying from old age. Is it wrong to pray for her comfort? She is a dear old friend of the family, comforted us many a cold winter night. I want her to go in peace. Can I also pray for my other cat who is the same age but in brilliant health. I will call her by my nickname for her "sh*t head' due to how much shit she has survived. She even survived 2 birds of prey trying to fight over her. And she NEVER seems fazed by it. SHE is my companion at night, in lieu of a lack of a human replacement. She is saggy a bit but no scars, no cuts, good health, in general

>4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let all men know your forbearance. The Lord is at hand. 6 Have no anxiety about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, will keep your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

(Philippians 4:4-7)

>At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them, 3 and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whoever humbles himself like this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

(Matthew 18:1-5)

From these I could say two things:

1. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking God to ease the burden of your cat. For prayer to God from your heart is never wrong.

2. Certainly as a child it is a natural thing to pray for, it comes from a more innocent nature.

That being said, I believe that the sufferings in this world are from God - to strengthen the faith of those who experience the suffering. Not only can personal suffering strengthen one's faith, but those around the one suffering can conduct good works from the Father. It is why you should never reject pity from others when you are injured. Certainly prPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


70cac3  No.820890

>>820695

To expand upon this, Prayer isnt about asking god for what you need help with, he already knows. Prayer is about letting God know you have faith in him to ask him for those things. In this sense Prayer is absolutely something you do for God.




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8589e2  No.817444[Reply]

Why on earth would wisdom from an Orthodox monk be deleted from this board? I'll have to assume it was a glitch or an innocent mistake, until I'm shown otherwise. Hopefully it won't happen again.

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8589e2  No.820402

>>820377

>you see where the problem is?

The only problem I see is your completely vague attempt at casting aspersions.


8589e2  No.820429

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Direct Knowledge of God


8589e2  No.820700

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There is no salvation without forgiveness.


f75e6e  No.820707

>>820367

>Ever hear of the Byzantine Empire? Or the Russian Empire?

What are you implying here?'

>>819919

Expecting the Russian Church not to be biased towards the Kremlin is like expecting the Anglican Church not to be biased towards Westminster.


a3af2c  No.820876

>>820377

>Putin stays untouched.

No he doesn't. Russia is named as being one of the largest arms dealers in the world right in the first chapter, just as the book scolds the entire weapons trade racket.




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