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What you are describing is something called imperfect contrition, or attrition.

(contrition in general being the repenting of sins)

There are multiple levels

>Imperfection natural contrition (Called natural attrition)

>Imperfect supernatural contrition (Called supernatural attrition)

>Perfect supernatural contrition

Imperfect contrition or attrition (I will use this from now on) consists in repenting of something for fear of consequences. Natural attrition is repenting of something because of bad natural consequences. This would include things repenting of stealing because you go to jail, or have your reputation damaged. Supernatural attrition on the other hand is repenting of sins specifically because of supernatural consequences, included in this necessarily is some form of faith in Christ, Hell, Heaven, the eternal soul and many other things. So repenting because of your sins only because you don't want to go to hell is supernatural attrition, or imperfect supernatural contrition.

Perfect contrition is the key thing though, this is repenting of sins specifically do to love of God. This isn't very easy to do especially for people who are steeped in sins, and also very importantly it's impossible to know if you've done this.

Included in all of these is of course resolution to STOP sinning, and return to God.

You can see this in the traditional act of contrition.

O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of Heaven and the pains of Hell; but most of all because they offend Thee, my God, Who art all-good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen.

Now that contrition is covered, is this saving?

No of course not, you have to do what Christ said to be saved.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

This book goes very in depth with the different types of contrition https://www.ecatholic2000.com/cts/untitled-110.shtml

>>797006

>>797007

Wow, thank you greatly for your time and answers

>>795199

He did repent on his death bed and received last rites.

Bump

>>796934

(((But goyim if you want to desexualize the public space, that’s actually a sexual fetish. Everything is a sexual fetish because our tribesman Freud said so.)))

>>796220

And where's the part where she was shot?

Didn't happen.

>>796992

lrn2 ID

>>796994

This is the internet, son. Literally everything is a sexual fetish. Did you forget where you are?

>>795788

maybe the g spot is the only place of sensitivity left, while the penis is strangled by 3x a day fapping.

No seriously, as a male your first instinct should be to rape, not to have the prostate tickled, which is quite irrelevant reproduction wise. If a sizable percentage of people likes that, then something is wrong, exposure to estrogen-like substances, porn, modern lifestyle, mind control, aliens, whatever.

>>786966

>having fun

I suggest a bit of empirism. Look at the people who chose to have fun. Rockstars, billionaires, mafia men. Their eyes are void, they get dependent on drugs, suicide young.

Consider moreover that not all who choose the wide path end up succesfully evil like those people. Most drift into self destruction. Because Fun is not Happiness. Happiness is knowing you are. And Happiness itself, it is not the Truth.

Stefan Molyneux as a whole. The logical argument against Deity seems rock-solid.

>>796894

Lmao

>>796086

brainlet

>>796950

You must've only just started listening to him because I've seen him curse before. He does do it at times. I think he also said the n-word once.

Also, did you mean "Holy Moly"?

Also, did you mean "Is the world going to burn?"?

>>795145

I doubt John Piper knows who Steven Anderson is

>>795145

Yes you can. That's how denominational categories work.

>>795070

>Calvinists have always been part of Baptist history, even if I don't like it.

Only since Calvin, and the term "baptist history" could easily not include them, since those are just protestants who took some aspects of biblical baptist doctrines.

>>794825

And the translation is English, and you probably don't speak Greek

Does it say the raven never returned?

>Ezekiel 44

So the only proof you have is a random verse in the OT that isn't clear? nice

>>794801

reported

sh*tposting is unGodlike.

>>792739

True, the current pope is just fine right? Wrong!!!!

>>795866

Lay off the crack

>>795558

if you want a translation that's easy to read, New Living Translation (NLT) and God's Word (GW) are both good starting points.

the NIV is a very neutral, balanced translation. it's accessible, but also more accurate and challenging than NLT or GW.

to get more in-depth, you have various options, depending on whether you want Catholic or Protestant, traditional or modern, dynamic or literal. there's Douay-Rheims and KJV, then RSV, RSV-2CE, ESV, NAB, JB, NASB, NKJV, and others.

>>795558

>What's the best reading sequence for a beginner?

ESV with a KJV for reference if Protestant, RSV2CE with a Douay-Rheims for reference if Catholic, and OSB if Orthodox.

>Recommended were NLT to get the basics then NIV and compare and contrast between both editions. Is this solid advice?

Those translations are poor in my opinion. I'd settle for no less than the ESV with the deuterocanonical books.

>>795558

NKJV

>>795646

How is that relevant to my post or the one I was responding to?

>>796379

JW and 7DA should frick off from this board

>>796386

>JW and 7DA should frick off from this board

I'm neither. Propose arguments against my comment instead of trying to ban me.

>>796134

Both about hell.

>>796599

That doesn't mean it's relevant..

>>795654

>you can not be a Christian if you put down the old testament

Actually the major new trend these days is "Christians" rejecting half the New Testament because they claim Paul was hateful and not Christian for condemning homos.

>>795657

It's all heresy. Same with shirking away from your responsibilities by creating new denominations. There is one God, one Cross, and one Bible. Believe it. Live it. Protect it.

>>791786

Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

>To be honest with you, I find it disrespectful.

Of course you do, Pharisee.

>>791786

He needs this erratic behavior in order to mask the pedophile scandal.

>>791786

All Latins ever want to talk about is the pope.

Faith is simply the confidence/trust in the information you have. What do you know about God/Jesus, OP?

>>796097

I read the New Testament, and I'm down to 2 Samuel in the OT.

I still have enough minor question that it would fill a book, but among major things, I'm still wondering why, if Jews have their own way of cleansing their sins (through animal sacrifices and whatnot) why did God need to send Jesus to die in order to cleanse our sins when there was already a way? The only reason that comes to mind is to convert pagans through pure convenience, that the lack of sacrificing from the individual to cleanse their sins, along with the lack of circumcision, and the lack of dietary restrictions, was the best way to allow people who were pagan to get on board.

Also I want to learn more about the Holy Spirit, people say it's like an intuition in a way, and that it brings people happiness, but I certainly don't feel a type of intuition, or a type happiness in me. I sometimes worry that because of my sinful actions, and former rejection of God that I'm a Romans 1 reprobate, which is why I lack faith or can't recognize the Holy Spirit.

>>796341

>why did God need to send Jesus to die in order to cleanse our sins

Because it wasn't a transaction. He didn't die *in exchange* for our sins, because his entire life was already serving as a roadmap to show us how to rid ourselves of sin. His crucifixion was about defeating death.

Read "On the Incarnation" by St. Athanasius:

https://www.ccel.org/ccel/athanasius/incarnation.html

>>796044

1. Pray

2. Pray

It will take time to develop faith like anything else. You must pray before you will ever have faith.

>>795693

I FIND IT REALLY SUSPECT HOW WE'RE MOSTLY GETTING LIKE 3, 4, 5, OR 6 STANDARD DEVIATIONS ABOVE THE MEAN ON THIS IQ TEST

I feel like I need to take a shower after this.

Also several questions confused me. Do the Catholics number the 10 commandments differently from the Orthodox?

>>796646

It's not normalized like a standard IQ test. The average for atheists is above the 100 that would be the mean in a normalized scoring system. It's just a flat score out of 202 points.

>>796755

Wasn't that Cain's logic? Why offer beauty to God when I can just do a mediocre effort?

And any man of faith of course is not happy when beauty dedicated to God's glory is ruined.

>>796757

the point wasn't that beauty is pointless, it was that being attached to a particular expression of beauty that God has obviously destroyed for some reason, is dubious.

>>796776

>Now, to claim that for some reason God does not like the highest degrees of beauty ie the degrees that are the closest to him, is dubious.

Yes, so why are you implying that's what was said? A "particular expression of beauty" in this case, clearly meant the Notre Dame cathedral specifically. You can call that "the highest degrees of beauty" or whatever, but that doesn't exclude other designs from reaching that same degree of beauty. So why are we discussing rebuilding this specific building instead of just letting go and creating something new and more beautiful instead? Once again, the issue here is the attachment, not the beauty.

>>796783

The attachment comes from knowing that this particular expression of beauty cannot be recreated. It is a result of blood, sweat and tears of the citizens of Paris, it is a physical manifestation of their love of God. Think about it this way: people thought well how can I use my 2 hands to spread God's glory? and built it.

We can't restore the Rose window that burned because we don't know the technique anymore. We can't rebuild the roof without steel supports. Simply put, in all likelihood, we can't create something more beautiful. Have you seen how modern churches look? Are you sure the modern man can create beauty anymore?

And again, there's nothing wrong with being attached to a form of beauty that is pretty much no longer obtainable.

Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grâces, le Seigneur est avec vous; vous ętes bénie entre toutes les femmes, et Jésus le fruit de vos entrailles, est béni. Sainte Marie, Mčre de Dieu, priez pour nous pécheurs, maintenant, et ŕ l'heure de notre mort. Amen.

Notre Pčre qui es aux cieux, que ton Nom soit sanctifié, que ton rčgne vienne, que ta volonté sit soit faite sur la terre comme au ciel. Donne-nous aujourd'hui notre pain quotidien. Pardonne-nous nos offenses comme nous pardonnons aussi ŕ ceux qui nous ont offensés. Et ne nous soumets pas ŕ la tentation, mais délivre-nous du mal. Amen.

I feel sad for my brethren. I have no emotional attachment to the cathedral (especially now that we know the religious artwork was saved, which I was worried for), but it must be pretty bad for them. It must feel like a blow of the devil against the Church and against France, right? I'm also really annoyed by my co-religionists online being all happy about the event and calling it divine retribution against my country and against Catholicism.

Mère de Dieu et Vierge, réjouis-toi, pleine de grâce : le Seigneur est avec toi, tu es bénie entre toutes les femmes, et le fruit de tes entrailles est béni, car tu as enfanté le Sauveur de nos âmes.

Il est digne en vérité de te célébrer, ô Mère de Dieu, toujours-bienheureuse et très-pure et Mère de notre Dieu. Toi plus vénérable que les Chérubins et incomparablement plus glorieuse que les Séraphins, qui sans corruption enfanta Dieu le Verbe, toi véritablement la Mère de Dieu, nous te magnifions.

L'ange clama à la Pleine-de-Grâce : Ô Vierge pure, réjouis-toi, je le redis : réjouis-toi, car ton Fils le troisième jour est sorti du tombeau. Resplendis, resplendis, Nouvelle Jérusalem, car la gloire du Seigneur s'est levée sur toi ; danse à présent Sion et sois sans l'allégresse, et toi Mère de Dieu Toute-Pure, réjouis-toi de la Résurrection de Celui que tu as enfanté.