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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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aa4f6f  No.764106[Reply]

should muslims be tolerated in the west

what do you think

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d7fd88  No.764221

>>764202

>tfw Asian pagans agree with you that muslims are to not be tolerated in society

<Wtf??! I LOVE muslims now! Let's just import millions of low IQ muslims and the crime they bring with them. That'll show those intolerant asian pagans!


55f495  No.764244

>>764202

http://www.religioustolerance.org/paganism2.htm

http://www.religioustolerance.org/paganism1.htm

Not exactly pagan by most definitions. The guy is probably a Buddhist.


c26cd1  No.764440

No.

Neither should jews


c4621c  No.764464

>>764110

Jews and pagans were tolerated in the middle ages in Europe though.

I think you mean having a state religion.


e2b8cf  No.764716

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No.




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336acb  No.761587[Reply]

Shouldn't fellatio ("blowjob") be considered the same ?

I mean, sodomy is worst of course but fellatio shouldn't fall way behind, it's the same perversion of something sacred and fruitful into something perverse/hedonist and sterile. It's anti-Logos. Same thing for cunnilingus really.

And as for sexual positions, I think that anything beside missionary is pretty much degenerate in my opinion, but I wouldn't know about what the bible's says, but pretty sure they would dismiss primitive positions like "doggystyle" and such.

So, do anyone can inform me in the New Testament's position on oral sex and sexual positions? I think that oral sex probably is a serious sin, since it's a perversion of the sacred gift of reproduction.

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b3162d  No.764648

File: 121666695b2d721⋯.png (133.04 KB, 258x258, 1:1, the world.png)

gays go to hell.


9a2f39  No.764660

>>762926

Using natural organs for a unnatural purpose is bad. In fact, that's what makes sodomy worse than rape.

Vomit is a natural reaction the body that increases the average lifespan of the person.


00263f  No.764666

>>761587

Blowjobs and other forms of foreplay are fine as long as they lead to actual vaginal intercourse immediately afterwards that is open to life, and you don't cum in her mouth.


e148e5  No.764668

File: 19540f02011c733⋯.jpg (60.58 KB, 350x335, 70:67, haytham.jpg)

I can't believe this thread you guys.


e148e5  No.764673

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>>762760

>sex isnt about looking into each eyes soulfully while thinking of England




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cfff64  No.764489[Reply]

Anyone here a member of Opus Dei? Redpill me on them. Are they really the Catholic freemasons? How responsible are they for the end of Franco?

Second pic related

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517a72  No.764620

Masons like to claim connection to everything, from the Templars to the Druids. The Templars had been accused for heresy in the past and condemned by the inquisition, a bunch of fake allegation were made that they've became muslims, jews, magicians etc. The Templars were burned alive and the stigma remained. Some centuries later Freemasons tried to connect their groups with others from the past that were in one way or another persecuted by the Church, be them Cathars, Bogomils, Templars, as a way to create the myth that they're an ancient group of illuminated people, fighting forever against the "darkness". Thus the Templar-Mason narrative was created.


517a72  No.764621

>>764620

It was for >>764610


a40eb7  No.764653

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>>764578

People are so busy discussing ridiculous things they can’t take the time to look at what opus dei does openly. Don’t they have a pontifical college? Doesn’t it have a school of journalism?


024a04  No.764655

>dan brown

[-]


28f464  No.764658

In Spain opus dei is strong. Some former political ministers (economy, defense, etc.) And politicians are members. And as Spanish I can say two things about them:

1- it seems that there is a secret war between jesuist and Opus dei. One of them is left wing and other is right wing, the two of them have their own book editorial, schools, influence in the government, etc.

2- if you go to the day to day for them, they are more similar to an American sect: they work for the Opus Dei, they give a part of their salary to the Opus Dei, the Opus Dei gives home, work and food in exchange. It's hard to leave the Opus Dei because almost all your belongings are theirs. I find this wrong because so you force uninterested people who dislike you to do things for you and they could make things against the group if he finds that it would make him feel better.

Conclusion: IMO Opus Dei is legal and maybe their objective is good. But I don't find them or their ways good. They work as a closed group and their survival needs members that give them money and work for them almost like a sect. I find a lot better a monastical life with the Franciscans or the Carmelites before this. But yes, my vision is biased, as I distrust the people that say "viva Cristo rey" or that they are members of Opus Dei. And also I was in a Catholic marianist institute.




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b14c38  No.764360[Reply]

What do you think about Romans 13 regarding authority? Also what about that quote of some pope that says it's permissible to rise up if an unjust ruler is reigning?

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0e0631  No.764424

File: f323fc2d7821599⋯.jpeg (336.48 KB, 821x560, 821:560, Lions.jpeg)

>So yeah.. don't lash out at governments like a retard. God uses them.

I wish more people on this board thought like this. Heck, God even calls for the Israelites to be fruitful and multiply in Babylon (their captors) and seek peace for the nation. Peace for the people that enslaved them. Not an open rebellion agaisnt Babylon, but not full submission that it would compromise their faith in God.

Pray for peace for our captors (modern Governments) and pray righteous men replace the unrighteous. Pray for our enemies so that they may know peace as well. Most importantly, pray that our enemies be humbled before the Lord our God.


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aa83d0  No.764547

File: 4fa1a444e44a10e⋯.jpeg (2.26 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, 5B2733B0-6A8F-4375-9E49-8….jpeg)

While we shouldn’t lash out militarily, that doesn’t mean we should also be passive in this cultural war.

We are in a different type of war with the Jews, they are not merely occupying us and persecuting is like the Romans, they’re intending to wipe us extinct. First they’ll try to drift us away from Christ, then once we eventually lose all values and principles, they’ll begin to kill us while we’re a confused godless weak abomination of emasculated Human brings with the Muslims.

Should we be passive in this cultural war (which is completely different than taking up your sword and actually fighting them militarily) while they continue to genocide infants? While Europe is AT THE VERY THREAT OF EXTINCTION?

YOU MUST FIGHT IN THIS CULTURAL WAR. IT IS NOT A WAR MILITARILY.


442832  No.764577

>>764374

What a terrible misuse of Morrowind. I hope nothing but the worst for you and your unfunny corruptions.


aa83d0  No.764583

>>764577

A Christian shouldn't hope the worst for someone




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8e83cd  No.761837[Reply]

Tell me about the Anglicans. What is their endgame?

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3020f2  No.763293

>>761837

Out of 70 million worldwide Anglicans, 50million are in Africa, who are very conservative. The Anglican realignment also encompasses perhaps half of non African Anglicans, as many bishoprics sided with the Archbishop of Nigeria in disputes with Cantebury and the Episcopalians.

The downside among Anglicans is the inability to schism (odd concerning their roots). Ideally the two factions would schism, the former would probably die off with their faithful joining the Nigerian faction.


6d998a  No.763330

>>761837

Their endgame is already fulfilled.

Henry did get that divorce at the end of the day.


1d5bd5  No.763405

>>761979

>The outstretched arms of Jesus on the cross are a sign His hands are nailed to the cross's sides.

ftfy


b72c79  No.764452

>>763330

I guess they still exist only in case some other Kings needs the same service.

Spliting with Rome several times would be counterproductive.


edf5c4  No.764511

>>761837

To self implode. They're already dead.




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7527b1  No.761046[Reply]

More specifically with Christian music. I have more of a sense of the "divine" listening to the soulsborne soundtrack than listening to gospel music. Even in the Catholic church I was raised the songs were awful and cringy, save for one or two, listening to some lame drummer is unpleasant.

So I think you guys should protest for some better music.

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445a12  No.764453

>>761046

>https://youtu.be/IA88AS6Wy_4

I'm not sure whether to blame you for not knowing or not.


0af214  No.764495

Question, anons: Does anyone know of any recordings similar to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F1l6xXLSI0

Yes, I know, I know - it's a secular recording, but the absolute /comfy/ levels of the campfire-acoustic sound makes it perfect for cruising in my car at sundown, admiring the Lord's creation. I've tried looking at various "Find Songs Like This" websites, and haven't had any luck, so maybe someone here will know of another recording like this


887789  No.764500

>>761046

Orthodox music is the best music there is, Christian music generally is great apart from the modernist stuff. You're in prelest for saying otherwise, but since you're an atheist that's trivially true already.


64cbf0  No.764501

>>761093

>Chants sound demonic, and in most cases you can't even understand them

So? since you're millennial you can think of them as the hidden gem, hipster thing that none of your friends know about either and thus you'll be unique. Imagine the insta stories.


9eefea  No.764701

>>761046

I'd bet money that you're a homo




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23ef13  No.762677[Reply]

Prove to me, logically, that the Christian God is real and the only God there is.

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6103e7  No.764235

>>764232

No he didn't because he's not real.


d59193  No.764245

>>764235

I believe he's real, unlike the jew god.


97c7a0  No.764254

>>764188

>It's all incredibly taxing (I'm not that poster btw.. but I could see why they bailed). Those who dislike Aquinas hate discussing or even thinking about him… even if they CAN discuss it.

I think thats a bit subjective whilst its dry for most people there are still a decent chunk of people who do find discussions of that nature faith affirming and energising. ITs that last part which bothers me the most people seem to be quick to handwave and dislike the thought of Aquinas and other philosophers despite not having knowledge of them or indeed being willing to comprehend what their rejection entails. That other poster seemed to have some grounds for rejecting him but in the absence of response it seems like those answers were canned and not the kind designed to handle questioning.

>No Christian should rely on so much heathen philosophy to discuss God's existence.

I think its important to remember that heathen author =/= heathen philosophy anymore than holding that texts written in Latin or non biblical languages are intrinsically heathen. Indeed even in the Orthodox Church there were Saints who made use of stoic ideas and language initially developed by pagans.

>Any self-respecting Orthodox especially will tell you to discover God through revelation first. Not your noggin. But through the scriptures and liturgy. And they would also tell you to have a healthy appreciation for mystery.

People like Aquinas would be agree. Also bear in mind that schools of thought like this can be helpful in engaging non-Christian audiences and getting them open to message and practices that actually save. So view as just another tool in your belt to evangelise with rather than *the* tool. This is just my opinion though


0bb068  No.764399

>>764245

It doesn’t matter what you believe, because there is no evidence for the existence of Zoosiboi. There are, however, many corroborative historical accounts by common people and Roman officials that document the life of Jesus.


3ed9db  No.764475

>Vietnam

>No blood relationship to the Greeks whatsoever

>He will never be Greek

>He will never parkate of Zeus's golden showers

>He actually shills for free




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a6edea  No.764119[Reply]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/virginia-abortion-bill-proposed-by-kathy-tran-third-trimester-today-2019-01-30/

>A new bill proposed in the Virginia legislature would loosen restrictions on abortions during the third trimester of pregnancy, and allow abortions during the second trimester to take place outside hospitals. Virginia's governor, Democrat Ralph Northam, stirred controversy on Wednesday when he suggested how such a late-term procedure could occur.

>Under current Virginia law, abortions during the third trimester require a determination by a doctor and two consulting physicians that continuing the pregnancy would likely result in the woman's death or "substantially and irremediably" impair her mental or physical health.

>The bill, proposed in the Virginia House of Delegates by Democrat Kathy Tran, would require only one doctor to make the determination that the pregnancy threatens the woman's life or health. The proposed legislation would also eliminate the requirement that abortions during the second trimester be performed in a state-licensed hospital.

>Republicans narrowly control the House of Delegates, so the bill is unlikely to pass anytime soon. A subcommittee voted to table the bill in a 5-3 vote Monday.

>Proponents of the Virginia legislation argue the bill, which is similar to a law recently passed in New York, is needed to protect women's health. But opponents argue late-term abortions are rarely medically necessary, and the Virginia bill has provoked a swift backlash from conservatives. But that response was compounded by comments Northam made on WTOP radio Wednesday when asked about the bill.

>"When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way," Northam said. "And it's done in cases where there amy be severe deformities, there mayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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53c227  No.764379

>>764378

What about the Baby's choice?


ed3a0d  No.764380

>>764378

The pogroms will start.


8d4728  No.764383

>>764379

That's what I'm talking about. These baby's don't want to die… in fact, nothing does. This is how braindead the whole idea is. Even an ant chooses not to die.

So you have two conflicting choices here. And one simply just wants to kill the other and say their life and choices are the only ones that matter. This is nothing but murder. They're no different than any other murderer. And by their own banner of "Choice!" they will be condemned. They are nothing but hypocrites by their own standards, and murderers by every other standard of justice.


ed3a0d  No.764396

The proposition was picked up and drafted into a bill by delegate Kathy Tran. The bill was swiftly voted down since Republicans still hold a slim majority in the General Assembly.


7e1b15  No.764461

Bump for interest




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978076  No.761232[Reply]

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/wisconsin-university-sheds-catholic-identity

>All-female lesbian production of Romeo and Juliet

>Transgender day with clothing swap

>Making Christmas gay

>White privilege

>Rape culture

>MeToo

>Feminism

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9b8070  No.762415

File: 41ca3314c982aba⋯.jpg (406.97 KB, 1650x2550, 11:17, 81sWxRbC8wL.jpg)

>>761489

>>761801

You seem to have a poor understanding of Church teaching. Many times in history has patriotism been emphasized by Popes as a Christian imperative, the patris being the extension of the family that one is commanded by the Lord to honor. Catholics are commanded to honor their nation as in its people, but are only to submit to the authority of the Church as it is the fullness of the deposit of faith. Also, pic related.


9b8070  No.762417

>>762415

Additionally, the Church is the only sovereign in all existence and the authority of any "secular" ruler is derived from that of the Church itself and the Pope as the vicar of Christ on earth. Negotium pacis et fidei - the business of the peace and the faith is a critical component of this relationship.


7f112b  No.762586

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>>762417

>the Church is the only sovereign in all existence and the authority of any "secular" ruler is derived from that of the Church itself

>>762415

>Many times in history has patriotism been emphasized by Popes as a Christian imperative

I understand it just fine. Patriotism is only valid in so much as the Pope supports the current government, because as you say, only the papacy was seen as sovereign. This of course suited the Popes just fine.

Thankfully such silly notions are long gone, and each country is today sovereign.


0db215  No.762597

>Wisconsin


dba4df  No.764460

>>762586

Religion>>>>Nation.




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9ace57  No.762673[Reply]

POPE: Mary History's Biggest 'Influencer'…

With her “yes”, Mary became the most influential woman in history. Without social networks, she became the first “influencer”: the “influencer” of God.

http://archive.today/2019.01.28-075755/https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-27/pope-francis-calls-mary-history-s-biggest-influencer

Pope Francis invited a crowd of young Catholics gathered in Panama City to follow the footsteps of the Virgin Mary, calling her the biggest “influencer” of all times. “The young woman of Nazareth didn’t appear in the social networks of the time, she wasn’t an influencer, but without wanting it or seeking it, she became the woman that had the biggest influence in history,” Pope Francis said during a World Youth Day address in Panama City on Saturday.

Organizers estimated about 600,000 people attended a main event of the festival east of Panama City, according to the Associated Press. Many spent the night in tents or on sleeping mats ahead of an early morning final Mass to end the religious festival. After riding through the cheering crowds in his popemobile, Francis said he understood their anxieties and fears for a future where jobs are scarce and education not always available, the AP reported. The vigil ended a busy day that included a luncheon with 10 young pilgrims representing each of the continents. The young people said they were surprised at Francis’ informality and interest in their questions, according to the report.

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6c64ab  No.763048

Tldr: the youth go to this meetings as an excuse to spend some days away from their parents under the disguise of religion so they can't winnie the pooh on tents like when they go to summer musical festivals.


99c19f  No.763555

>>762673

AND THAT WAS?


887a37  No.763586

>>763046

>and were even hugging several dudes.

theyre not allowed to hug?


7e276a  No.763587

>>762909

It goes far deeper than that, sadly.


3900ce  No.764451

>>763586

Oh you know what I mean.

Think of an college party where girls are hugging dudes.

Its sad that these good projects die in the water because young people just want to leave mommy and daddy's place and go winnie the pooh other people's holes.




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b11818  No.752645[Reply]

Does one sin if they comsume media that contains sin within it? Presume for this case that it does not get in the way of their Sunday obligation, times of prayer, etc. For example, if a character within a film uses a profanity, not gratuitously but simply for the sake of characterization, is it a sin to watch said film? I have heard many different answers for this. They include but are not limited to

>It’s only sinful if you watch it for the intention of seeing displays of sin.

>It’s only sinful if it take’s the Lord’s name in vain.

>It’s only sinful if the overarching message of the media promotes sin.

>It’s only sinful if you feel you are being occasioned to sin or you are weak of will and it is affecting you.

>It’s always sinful if you consume media that contains any form of sin.

I’m really confused as to which is the correct answer. What is the rule you all follow for this? Sources are appreciated (any sect/denomination is welcome, I’ll refrain from stating my own to prevent flame wars).

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faaa44  No.757979

>>752645

As with everything ask yourself

>Does this separate me from God

If it does i.e. straight up pornography then probably


0c5aea  No.758230

>>757976

>The problem is Non-Christians identify with the villains. So the villains have been getting better and better treatment as time goes on.

I thought of two possible ways of writing villains in the hopes of avoiding this. The first would be writing villains that are horribly grotesquely evil that no one would sympathize with them. The issue with this would be that today people are fascinated with even some of the most evil of characters.

The other way I can think of would be instead of straight villains, using antagonists that go through redemption to become morally better people. The problem here is running the risk of people empathizing with them too early, before the redemption occurs.

All that being said, as much as I like this idea of producing media that promotes Christin values, I don't want to derail the main topic of this thread.


0d2eda  No.758446

>>757976

Maybe we ought to recommend more proper media for christians here?

>The problem is Non-Christians identify with the villains. So the villains have been getting better and better treatment as time goes on.

Quite disagree, if anything, they're making religious people the villain in some of the media, like if thrusting god and the church is some kind fanaticism.


38c708  No.758451

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Is anime/manga sinful, lads? Even the light ones that doesn't contain sexual content and extreme violence like Koe no Katachi, Toradora!, Aria, Ghibli etc.?

What does the Catholic Church say about this?


857c74  No.764431

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>>758451

Fan service like sucking on a popsicle or showing ass shots is bad, but there's still some redeeming qualities.

For example there's still generally the good guys versus the bad guys and motivational dialogue about working harder and not giving up.




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823471  No.761376[Reply]

I've thought of becoming Catholic a bunch of times, but every time I get serious about studying church history and the issue, I inevitably end up back on the channel of the Most Holy Family Monastery, whether I seek it out or not. (Thanks, Jewgle.)

Is the See of St. Peter vacant?

Is the Pope (either current or previous V2 Pope) a manifest heretic?

Is Vatican 2 apostasy?

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8ce81a  No.763498

File: 387787453b9b448⋯.jpg (603.34 KB, 1167x1600, 1167:1600, 387787453b9b448e6443d01d2e….jpg)

I'm not a sede or SSPX, but after looking into stuff more and even listening to mainstream people like Dr. Taylor Marshall, I've come to the conclusion that sedes or SSPX could be right, but only a pope can declare that. It does seem very likely that V2 was created to mislead people, with the intent object of that, and that many high ranking bishops and cardinals either have no faith, are satanists or masons. It seems very likely that the church has been infiltrated.

Let's say the the seat is actually vacant. I think the safest thing to do would just be to try and go for Latin mass when you can but that's about it. I don't think we will be blamed for not being able to actually tell that the seat is vacant. Actually the biggest issue for me is the canonization of JPII and Paul VI, especially JPII is on record, still never retracted his prayer for "St. John the Baptist to *protect* Islam" and a bunch of other nonsense. He lied and said Humani Generis stated that there is no conflict between evolution and the faith, but rather all it says is that it is not forbidden for " research and discussions" to take place around the theory of evolution, and it explicitly states that the theory of evolution has not been proven. http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis.html

Read that and tell me where it ever says that Pope Pius XII stated there is no conflict between evolution and the faith. Either JPII lied or is a real idiot who can't read a simple document. When you look at his life in general, it could very well be said that he was hostile to the faith, openly blaspheming, and creating so much scandal. Who knows if he even had a deathbed conversion? One thing is for sure, he should never have been publicly venerated as a Saint - despite if he miraculously had some sort of deathbed conversion. He seems very masonic in almost everything he was doing. He also started the nonsense regarding the death penalty. V2 is a pile of extremely (probably) intentionally misleading documents that has only served to destroy the faith at a record pace.

So in the end I don'tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


ac0f1b  No.763704

>>761708

what about concatenation?

6 || 6 || 6 = 666


b7c81c  No.764354

I hope you're not using youtube in order to learn about the faith anon. I really hope you're not doing this thing. I would prefer you begome ordodox, but I would definitely encourage you to get offline and go visit churches to decide which to join. The internet will always have the answer you're looking for you and irrefutable evidence to back it up. You'll end up like my godparents, going from church to church, never staying put very long- but just long enough that the next move becomes painful for you and everyone you met.


2aa3d8  No.764356

>>761376

>vaticancatholic

[-]


10b733  No.764412

>>763498

He fixed the ordination rite of Paul VI, adding the phrase "Sacrifice of the Mass" back in.

I'd say that protecting the ordinations to the priesthood is pretty important.




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67c85b  No.753255[Reply]

If you remember a few years back, Pope Francis published a letter with a small footnote implying that people who are divorced and civilly remarried could receive the Eucharist. A lot of people freaked out over this, but it is actually in line with Church teaching. According to the Church, you have to be in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist. That is, you can't have a mortal sin on your conscience. But also, according to the Church, any mortal sin can be a venial sin if any given priest determines that you don't have full consent of the will, full knowledge, affective immaturity etc

Really, it seems like it is all a matter of opinion. If you take the most rigid possible view, every unrepentant adulterer, unrepentant remarried couple, liar, cheater and heretic should stay away from the Eucharist. But so should everyone who masturbates, dwells on lustful thoughts, wishes harm on others, uses contraceptives, supports contraceptives, uses the Lord's name in vain, supports gay rights and is unrepentant. (All of the above are considered "gave sins"). This would end up being easily 99% of lay Catholics. And of course, the opposite extreme is saying the a mortal sin is basically impossible to commit (which some theologians posit) and everyone should be receiving the Eucharist all the time if possible.

Where do you draw the line? Who should receive the Eucharist? Divorced and remarried? Only in cases where they are on a "faith journey" or should they refrain altogether? What about contraceptive users? Masturbators? Are you a full on Jansenist and think that Communion should be a very rare event only for people who are absolutely certain they are in a state of grace?

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c9e52b  No.753444

>>753437

Haha ebic

Sacramentalists just go to hell for believing a false gospel so it's not like it matters anyway


c32f90  No.753456

>>753349

>Why are they church members if these long-term problems persist?

These are the people who only go on Christmas eve and funerals.

A small percentage of those also go to regular Sunday masses but at Novus Ordo, probably don't know anything else either.

They're born into it and don't give it a second thought…except when it's against same-sex marriage or abortion, then they shout bigotry and tolerance :^)


31fd41  No.753469

>>753255

You’re right about Catholic communion. It’s different for other denoms though.

Welp, you’re welcome at Lutheran Communion if you’re baptized. We see it as a chance to remember that Jesus HAS FORGIVEN your sins, not to guilt trip over sin you’re still in bondage to. As long as you’re in line with Paul’s warnings on communion in 1 Corinthians you should be good to go


e5dbb0  No.764381

Do people need to have attended catechesis in order to receive the Eucharist?


aae54e  No.764410

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>>753469

>guilt trip

>Using that word popular with high schoolers that want to avoid shame for the bad things they did.




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e2a3d7  No.764064[Reply]

Are you really a Christian if you vote for politicians that support abortion and LGBTQ rights?

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2503b9  No.764210

>support abortion

you're not

>LGBTQ rights

Depends on which rights. The right not to get thrown off buildings? Or imprisoned? Probably OK.

The right destroy the meaning of marriage? The right to graphically and explicitly force indoctrination on kids? Gender reassignment on prepubescents? Probably not.


a8a855  No.764212

>>764068

Yes. Libshits are still crying.


354141  No.764335

>>764115

Sure. We should do what we can. I was just suggesting that just voting will change nothing and that the tide will eventually overwhelm us if we just vote "conservative".

>I already voted conservative so I have done enough

That's what I dislike. Shaking it off as "i have done enough because I threw a vote somewhere"

Liberal democracy is a dead end


354141  No.764338

>>764083

This you are not even likely to find a party big enough to oppose LGBT/abortion since even "christian" parties nowadays often shill for lgbt


860202  No.764371

>>764064

No, just catholic at that point




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a53b72  No.760424[Reply]

New York legislature votes to legalize abortion up to birth, let non-doctors commit abortions

ALBANY, New York, January 22, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – Both chambers of the New York state legislature voted Tuesday on legislation to enshrine a “fundamental right” to abortion in state law and eliminate protections for preborn babies until birth, in votes set to mark the anniversary of Roe v. Wade.

The state Senate voted 38-24 in favor of the so-called “Reproductive Health Act” Tuesday evening, the Albany Times-Union reports, a bill that has repeatedly cleared the state Assembly in years past but been blocked by the formerly-Republican Senate. Following the Senate vote, the Assembly passed it 92-47.

The bill declares that “Every individual who becomes pregnant has the fundamental right to choose to carry the pregnancy to term, to give birth to a child, or to have an abortion,” erases the state’s recognition of preborn babies older than 24 weeks as potential homicide victims, removes abortion from the penal code entirely, and allows licensed health practitioners other than full doctors to commit abortions.

“We have a president who's made it very, very clear that he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade,” Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins declared before the vote. “Today, here in New York, we are saying no […] and we're not just saying no. We're saying that here in New York, women's health matters. We're saying here in New York, women's lives matter. We're saying here in New York, women's decisions matter.”

The Times-Union suggests the bill would allow “late-stage” abortions only if the mother’s “health” is endangered or if the baby is deemed non-viable, but the New York State Right to Life Committee warns that the bill would go much further in practice.

Declaring abortion a “fundamental right” opens the door to invalidating “any limits on abortion” and “mandat[ing] that everyone take part in the culture of death,” the group warns. The bill would also prevent pregnant women whose babies are killed in violent attacks from seeing justice, and haPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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6bd110  No.764308

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>>760424

We've already got one of these >>760273

>>760536

>amy coney

>"I think it is very unlikely at this point that the court is going to overturn Roe [v. Wade], or Roe [v. Wade] as curbed by [Planned Parenthood v.] Casey.

>"The fundamental element, that the woman has a right to choose abortion, will probably stand."

doesn't sound like the salvation of a million bebes to me


9cc0c7  No.764312

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>>760424

effing ny man…


6bd110  No.764313


030938  No.764321

>>764301

Says the muslim iconoclast.


9e6275  No.764353

>>763751

Why not a massive equestrian statue of Christ's return, sword and all?




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