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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?
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c5c042  No.657770[Reply]

Purpose

This thread is to help all the Orthodox anons on this board to gather their thoughts, uplift each other, share edifying materials, and ask important questions.

Glory be to God in all things.

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Useful Links

Ancient Faith Radio: http://www.ancientfaith.com/

OrthodoxWiki: https://orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page

Canons of the Seven Ecumenical Councils: http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0835/_INDEX.HTM

The Orthodox Church in America: https://oca.org/

Orthodox Christianity (a site that hosts articles predominantly written by clergy): http://orthochristian.com/

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e4310f  No.794270

>>794185

The people exist in order to enjoy the benefits of God and share the goodness of God through unity with God. The ancestral sin was a barrier, baring us from being able to unite with God. The sacrifice of the Christ destroyed this barrier and permitted us to be born again through the baptism as new creation.

Our salvation is not a result of our virtues or good deeds. Our salvation is a result of our free choice: to accept the living God in us and to unite with Him. "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and have supper with him, and he with me." (Rev. 3:20) God has given to us a terrible gift: the free choice. It is our free choice what makes us able to be either united with God or damned. God didn't need our cooperation in order to create us, he, however, needs our cooperation in order to save us. He "desires all people to be saved" (1 Tim. 2:4) and yet, not all people are going to be saved. Salvation despite our free choice is a nonsense because to remove the free choice from us means to destroy our essence.

The slogan of the Protestants "once saved, always saved" is a nonsense, because it contradicts our free choice. When we choose to sin, we choose to be separated from God, we choose spiritual death. Then the Spirit leaves us because God won't force the salvation upon those who do not desire it. And vice versa, when the sinner comes to himself and says "Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you! I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants", then God is moved with compassion and embraces the sinner as son because God desires his dead son to be found and to be alive again. (Luke 15:17-24)

Along the spiritual path leading to God, there is no place where one can say "from this point farther I am saved". The final outcome does not depend on where we are on this path. It depends only on the direction of our movement. Therefore the Orthodox Church does not accept the teaching of the Catholics about the mortal sins. A sinner who repents before his death will be with the Christ in Paradise despite hisPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


9e0c23  No.797692

Catholic here.

Is it true that the Orthodox believe that Jesus can incarnate at any time and that Mary was not necessary for his incarnation?

Is it true that the Orthodox believe that Jesus could have incarnated before the incarnation during the time of the Gospels?

Is it true that the Orthodox believe that it was Jesus that Jacob wrestled with (as evidenced by this link:

https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/glory2godforallthings/2015/08/29/wrestling-with-god/)?


3f08fc  No.797713

>>797692

>Is it true that the Orthodox believe that Jesus can incarnate at any time and that Mary was not necessary for his incarnation?

First, recognize that these are 2 separate questions. Birth through Mary was very much necessary (to have Jesus bless all stages of human development, and fulfill OT prophecy, among other things), but not for the reason of satisfying some earthly restriction needed to even "incarnate" the Son at all. Similar to how Christ's death was necessary (in order to defeat death), but not for reasons of some human limitation or paying off some debt.

It is through the Son that the Father created the world (see the link below). Therefore, it would make no sense if the eternal Son were not able to manifest himself in the world at any point in time, despite being the very means of manifesting things in the world.

>Is it true that the Orthodox believe that Jesus could have incarnated before the incarnation during the time of the Gospels?

Yes. Read the "… came down from heaven…"

section here: https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/doctrine-scripture/the-symbol-of-faith/son-of-god


64b318  No.797721

>>797692

I dont know if its really related to the topic or not, but I believe I've read about the second instance with Lossky that since the "end goal" for humans made in image and likeness of God, to achieve Divinization/Theosis, it is assumed that the Son would assume human nature whether if the fall would happen or not. We dont really think about incarnation in Orthodoxy as some kind of debt payed to satisfy some random "justified demands" for lack of words.

And interestingly, even Aquinas who is more straightforward in his assumptions, when talking about this topic leaves the possibility that it might've been the case, though he isnt sure about that.


02b3f0  No.797738

>>797692

Jesus ate dinner with Abraham in the OT



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83a416  No.795827[Reply]

It is officially Holy Week. Every day until Easter I will be posting a passage from one of the gospels reflecting the day. This thread is specifically for discussing this time. May the Lord bless you. Amen.

PALM SUNDAY:

(Matthew 21:1-11)

Now when they drew near Jerusalem, and came to Bethphage, at the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, saying to them, “Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Loose them and bring them to Me. And if anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘The Lord has need of them,’ and immediately he will send them.”

All this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:

“Tell the daughter of Zion,

‘Behold, your King is coming to you,

Lowly, and sitting on a donkey,

A colt, the foal of a donkey.’ ”

So the disciples went and did as Jesus commanded them. They brought the donkey and the colt, laid their clothes on them, and set Him on them. And a very great multitude spread their clothes on the road; others cut down branches from the trees and spread them on the road. Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying:

“Hosanna to the Son of David!

‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’

Hosanna in the highest!”

And when He had come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, “Who is this?”

So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.”

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2ee7ac  No.796644

>>796612

Jerusalem was a big city, and not every palm-bearer is sincere.


93c7da  No.796933

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HOLY TUESDAY:

(Mark 11:20-24)

Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away.”

So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.

(Mark 13)

Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!”

And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?”

And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

“But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations. But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


0d2fd7  No.797299

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>>795827

HOLY WEDNESDAY:

(Matthew 26:6-16)

While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.

When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.”

Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me. When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”

Then one of the Twelve—the one called Judas Iscariot—went to the chief priests and asked, “What are you willing to give me if I deliver him over to you?” So they counted out for him thirty pieces of silver. From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.


d017c0  No.797724

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MAUNDY THURSDAY (First Post):

(Luke 22:14-23)

When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.”

After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you. But the hand of him who is going to betray me is with mine on the table. The Son of Man will go as it has been decreed. But woe to that man who betrays him!” They began to question among themselves which of them it might be who would do this.

(John 13:2-11)

And supper being ended, the devil having already put it into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray Him, Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God, rose from supper and laid aside His garments, took a towel and girded Himself. After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples’ feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded. Then He came to Simon Peter. And Peter said to Him, “Lord, are You washing my feet?”

Jesus answered and said to him, “What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this.”

Peter said to Him, “You shall never wash my feet!”

Jesus answered him, “If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me.”

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d017c0  No.797725

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MAUNDY THURSDAY (Second Post):

(Matthew 26:36-50)

Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to his disciples, “Sit here, while I go over there and pray.” And taking with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, he began to be sorrowful and troubled. Then he said to them, “My soul is very sorrowful, even to death; remain here, and watch with me.” And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” And he came to the disciples and found them sleeping. And he said to Peter, “So, could you not watch with me one hour? Watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. Again, for the second time, he went away and prayed, “My Father, if this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will be done.” And again he came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were heavy. So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again. Then he came to the disciples and said to them, “Sleep and take your rest later on. See, the hour is at hand, and the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going; see, my betrayer is at hand.”

While he was still speaking, Judas came, one of the twelve, and with him a great crowd with swords and clubs, from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had given them a sign, saying, “The one I will kiss is the man; seize him.” And he came up to Jesus at once and said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” And he kissed him. Jesus said to him, “Friend, do what you came to do." Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him.

(Mark 14:53-64)

And they led Jesus away to the high priest; and with him were assembled all the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes. But Peter followed Him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest. And he sat with the servants and warmed himself at the fire.

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3dbcea  No.797415[Reply]

I've spoken briefly about this with my pastor and it's the question of who we worship. As Trinitarians we believe that God is one being who shares 3 persons. And these 3 persons are as fully God as each other and we say that this doesn't go against monotheism because although they are 3 separate persons who are all fully and equally God they still share a single divine nature/essence. If this is the case then when we say God does that mean, unlike the Muslims or Zoroastrians, we are not talking about a single person but some abstract nature or essence that they all share? When we say God we aren't referring to a person but some unifying characteristics that all 3 persons share and so when we use this term it's somewhat misleading. Also, how does one defend monotheism? Even if they share a essence or nature so do humans. All humans share a single human nature, essence or ousia so how come we also aren't considered one? Also, before anyone @'ts me the early church fathers used this analogy to demonstrate what ousia means. But although I believe it I find it hard to call myself a monotheist since even if they are unified by some abstract concept they are still 3 independent individuals who have a hierarchy and under the subjugation of one and other as well as there being the possibility of one person actually exalting another and crowning him with some high title such as we see in Philippians 2:9-11

>9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

How dost one reconcile this?

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813234  No.797459

>But although I believe it I find it hard to call myself a monotheist since even if they are unified by some abstract concept they are still 3 independent individuals who have a hierarchy and under the subjugation of one and other as well as there being the possibility of one person actually exalting another and crowning him with some high title such as we see in Philippians 2:9-11

There is no subjugation in the Trinity. Jesus was exalted in the same sense that He was lowered - He took upon human nature, and therefore He was lowered; He was glorified in His human nature and returned to the right hand of the Father, and therefore was exalted.

And because Jesus has took on flesh, He has become our High Priest, the "ladder of Jacob" linking heaven and earth, the sole mediator between God and man, because He is both God and man. That is why, in the economy of salvation, there is a "hierarchy" of Father>Son>Holy Spirit: the Father remains unseen and far out of reach, yet the Son becomes incarnate as a man, and He sends us the Holy Spirit, Who remains hidden and hard to grasp yet infinitely close to us, "reeling us" back to the Son and through the Son to the Father, if you will.

On a related note, when Jesus says "not My will but Yours be done", the Fathers undestand this to show the subjugation of Jesus's human will to the one divine will of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, rather than the subjugation of the divine will of the Son to the divine will of the Father.

Likewise, the sacrifice of the cross was not to the Father alone, but to the whole Trinity. We say that Jesus was the one being sacrified (as the Lamb), and the one doing the sacrifice (as the High Priest), and the one receiving the sacrifice together with the Father and the Holy Spirit (as the Son).

Or, as it is said in the Liturgy of John Chrysostom:

>Your own of Your own we offer to You, in all and for all.


813234  No.797463

>>797453

Oops, didn't see that I supported the essence-energy distinction there.

Look, I know Catholics condemn it as a polytheist heresy. Just disregard that part. That's not my point. My point is that the three divine persons are perfectly one in will and action.


2600ad  No.797476

>>797453

>>797456

>>797459

Not OP but thanks a lot for these amazing answer. I'm sure it is a culmination of a lot of things (catechism, reading, participation in liturgical life, talking to your priest, etc) but is there any source you could recommend to gain this kind of understanding? A book or 2 maybe? Thanks man I really appreciate the time and effort put into those answers


813234  No.797483

>>797476

My catechism actually says very little about the Trinity… I would say half of it is from prayer and meditating on the scriptures, and half of it is from reading articles written by clergymen.

I do not think that what I said is sufficient and satisfactory, because, again, there is the issue of the procession of the Holy Spirit, and the issue of the essence-energy distinction. I haven't read Aquinas or other post-schism Catholic doctors (I'm Orthodox in case that wasn't obvious) so I can't really take their trinitarian theology into account or approve or condemn it. And I've been called a heretic on here several times before for saying what I said here, too.

But that aside, some ressources:

- Chapters 1 and 2 of Metropolitan Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Way" gives a short but satisfactory description of Orthodox Trinitarian theology.

- Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew gave an address where he shows the relationship between essence, energy, and hypostasis: https://www.patriarchate.org/environmental-addresses/-/asset_publisher/47ISmr00STje/content/address-of-ecumenical-patriarch-bartholomew-to-the-summit-on-religions-and-conservation-religion-and-nature-the-abrahamic-faiths-concepts-of-creation-

- Although his terminology is extremely basic (and could therefore be read in an Arian way), Father John Behr's article on the Trinity is a good introduction: https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2013/12/31/john-behr-on-the-trinity/


3dbcea  No.797716

>>797453

>The "essence" is the nature of God, shared by the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit;

This is what I mean. When we say God we are not referring to a person but a abstract nature that they all share.

But thanks for everything else it's very enlightening and although I'm a protestant Presbyterian I greatly appreciate what you have said.



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2f6894  No.779214[Reply]

>if you're a homosexual I hope you get brain cancer like Ted Kennedy

Now was this called for? Are all Christians like this?

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b1e0e5  No.795087

>>795026

Blessed and Breadpilled


d66618  No.795094

>>779214

>Are all Christians like this?

No.

I suffer from SSA, and most orthodox Christians I met while warning me also had words of encouragement (not the vapid “bee yerzelf!” of many) and taught me it’s a challenge one has to face together with God and with His aid. I’m not sure if I can call myself a Christian, but if I still come here and still want to return to Him, then it’s also because of those persons who warned and helped me.


13f52d  No.795967

>>781845

OMG thank you. I don’t understand why there are so many authoritarian larpers on this board


8edb32  No.795973

>>795026

this is shit


3ac246  No.797715

>>795026

>>795026

Catholics are so retarded



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487622  No.792092[Reply]

What is to be done about the booming pagans? These heathen blasphemers returning to devils are swelling their numbers greatly.

The bible teaches us we are not to worship the "native" gods who are demons, but Jesus.

How do we stop them?

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1c5594  No.795310

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>>792092

Deus Vult!


9067a2  No.795312

>>792092

>why neo paganism rising

Because we are in the age of decay. Europeans don't know where to turn and don't understand their religion (Christianity). Also it's too demanding. Pagans can just do whatever they like since they have no real church or objective truth, no revelation, just some folk stories they can interpret anyway they like.


a78009  No.795322

>>795270

Liberalism is a product of the enlightnement, incopatible with catholicism and condemned as heresy. How could something that sprung up in 18th century anglican england had something to do with catholicism?


9fd195  No.795331

>>795270

>Our liberal "zeitgeist's" self hatred, love of the Other, obsession with "love," its requirement of prolonged repentance for politically incorrect statements, its elevation of all who are "marginalized" except the perceived marginalizers themselves (whites), who are the manifestation of evil itself, the hypocritical sermonizing about tolerance, basically the political version of turning the other cheek, it's adamant insistence on the equality of all, especially those who may be proud enough to think they're better than others, etc.

That's literally Marx's(which has been condemned by the Catholic Church) theory of class conflict, portions of which infiltrated the mainstream via injection of marxist rhetoric in various identitarian(gay, feminist, black, etc.) groups somewhere in the 60's and 70's.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-radical-roots-of-gay-liberation-are-being-overlooked

That's your real enemy, and if you think we are to blame, when we've been hating and attempting to eliminate each other for 200 years now, just because the Pope is a political animal sometimes, you are deeply disguided.


c6c467  No.797705

>>792092

Because of nordcuck snownegroid e-celeb LARPers like vid related, at least in right wing circles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH0p2fmOliw



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d734f3  No.794396[Reply]

>Saved through faith alone. not by works.

Why not both? I have struggled with this, so someone can do dirty deeds but as long as they 'believe' something then they are saved? It doesnt make sense. If you are saved shouldnt you do good works anyway? I am really struggling with this.

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973e04  No.797377

The idea of having special magical knowledge that slings you into eternity, regardless of what you do in the real world…Is strangely the same thing that Gnostics taught.

I'm not saying to be Catholic either though.


a837ee  No.797381

>>797377

>The idea of having special magical knowledge that slings you into eternity, regardless of what you do in the real world…Is strangely the same thing that Gnostics taught.

It's also not what the reformers taught


6b103a  No.797491

>why not both

Because the bible says so, it doesn't say you can't do works.


de5fa0  No.797699

>Why not both?

It's called Orthodox Christianity.


6f6bdd  No.797704

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For Catholics we are saved by Grace, faith or works don't actually make any difference at all.

There is something called a state of Grace, you can enter into this through baptism, fall out by mortal sin, and reenter through confession (or if you repent because you Love God).

It's fairly simple/clear and lines up with scripture

So long as you have faith and align yourself with it you go to heaven, if you leave the faith you go to hell.

>Christ gave us tools to be born again of the water and spirit, baptism, which lets us enter the state of Grace.

If you die in a state of Grace, you go to heaven, it's that simple.

If you fall out of the state of Grace (what this means in practice is you act with such hatred of God he can no longer dwell in you, you become incompatible with him, he never rejects us, we reject him). Christ also gave us the tools to re-enter into it.



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b192aa  No.797461[Reply]

I am Catholic but I really enjoy the translation and style of the NIV. Can I just finish that and then read the Apocrypha or are there more drastic changes in there that should make me switcth to like an RSV-2CE?

e7d94d  No.797486

>>797461

I'm not Catholic, but I always thought your own NAB(Re) is very similar in tone to the NIV. Sadly, it's marred by it's notes (which do injustice to Catholic laity.. I'm not just saying it as an outsider).


16d49e  No.797686

It's safer to use the RSVCE or DRA as it's less likely you'll get false understandings.

However the key thing as a Catholic your job isn't to invent your own theology with scripture, we know the truths of the faith through the teaching of the magisterium, not through inventing it by giving it our best guess. Scripture isn't a list of doctrines and moral teachings.

So long as you keep that in mind it's fairly safe to read any, but you are much better off avoiding anything not explicitly Catholic.

The reason is if you are weak in faith, or commit a sin, the fact you've been reading non and possibly anti-Catholic books might give demons something to bring back up and try to pull you away from the faith. There are many misleading things even if you read a Catholic translation as it's so complicated, but another key is seeing what the Church teaches and reading commentaries.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/newtestament/Lapide.htm

https://www.ecatholic2000.com/haydock/title.shtml

https://www.ecatholic2000.com/catena/untitled-111.shtml

are some good Catholic commentaries quoting heavily from the Church Fathers.

For some more recent commentaries Scott Hahn has a commentary of the RSVCE that is good (the ignatious bible)

and brant pitre just put out a massive book on the old testament.

https://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Introduction-Bible-Old-Testament/dp/1586177222

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86d3a5  No.797718

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>>797461

>Enjoying NIV

>At all

I'm not really autistic regarding translations (there's no actual Orthodox translation in general, and KJV is used generally) but why would anyone like that utter atrocity at all?



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692f93  No.797552[Reply]

Here's a video of inside Notre Dame after the fire. No real discussion, just thought you all might be interested.

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692f93  No.797588

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>>797573

Nonsense, it was "faulty wiring"

cut to 2:03 to see faulty wiring


7a842f  No.797616

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>>797588

People keep posting the low-res vid for some reason. In the high-red one, you can see the figure is a firefighter wearing the typical French firefighter helmet like pic related. Just thought you should know.


692f93  No.797628

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>>797616

You can see he's wearing white clothing as well Just thought you should know unlike pics you posted.


692f93  No.797662

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>>797648

>>797644

>>797645

>Blaming muslims on the Notre Dame fire is shilling for muslims

>Spastic triple posting

Easy your autism


1afd56  No.797678

>>797573

>source: my ass



ee9ee1  No.795369[Reply]

(Great /pol/ thread)

https://8ch.net/pol/res/13026829.html

I think that Christians, atheists and LARPagans call all agree : Women are dressing as little as literal Whores and that it has an extremely bad effect on society, leading to the ultra-sexualisation of the society, leading to degenerate sexually promiscuity (((hookup culture))) and thus corrupting men and women and destroying the foundation of marriage and procreation.

We also can agree that women are being more and more "entitled", more and more masculine and degenerate, and less and less submissive,quiet and modest. We have to thanks (((cultural Marxism))) and (((feminism))) for that.

So I propose this thread so that we can talk and share pics on why it's important for women to dress modestly (with a lot of clothes), how hookup culture is harmful to the entire family structure in society, how women ought to behave, pictures of well dressed women, about sexual purity for both men and women and the purpose of sex (not orgasm and pleasure but procreation inside of marriage), …

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eeca48  No.795830

>>795698

>I know you know this but let it be said for that Jewish shill.

I think so too the freudian spirit is just palpable.

>>795726

>Take your defeatist self to the nearest church and ask God why you are so invested in shutting down anybody who advocates trying to make things better. All you're doing is shooting the message because you don't think the messenger is genuine enough.

THIS.

>>795749

> you can't unify around anything but the truth, and that's the thing sorely missing there.

Truth is there but it is among rubbish. I am not saying one should become a mere /pol/ack. I am just saying I will pick /pol/acks who seek truth even though misguided, over lukewarm christians who just countersignal /pol/ because "muh pol" and then saintpost.


eeca48  No.795831

This thread is a proof that once a thread gets derailed it's all over. This could have been a good thread so I will create another one for this topic.


160002  No.795858

>>795831

Go to reddit if you want people to stay on topic, normie


eeca48  No.795932

>>795858

>not wanting shills in every thread means you're a "normie"

ok


d05c9d  No.797671

>>795436

>not wanting women to dress like harlots is a fetish

The absolute state of /christian/



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862b81  No.797325[Reply]

THE HOUSE OF CHRIST STILL STANDS TALL

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78769c  No.797403

>>797387

>Are these contestable?

Nope


2c5e86  No.797412

>>797387

I agree that the Catholics take the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary a bit too far, but you are insane and retarded to continue to make the implication that the destruction of Notre Dame is a good thing because of this.


53954d  No.797416

The fire made me sad


c06fd6  No.797417

>>797360

>Cuck mods will delete the truth.

Cuck you is full of shit.


01bcb4  No.797669

>>797412

Where in my post did you find the implication that it's destruction is a good thing? I'm only arguing that it was and is not a "house of Christ".



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89147b  No.797362[Reply]

Free will. What is it? Does it exist? How can we know?

How does this play into Christianity?

a1cee1  No.797623

Here's a decent article on the matter

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/a-beginners-guide-to-free-will



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6e9538  No.797178[Reply]

Hey guys, how ya doing today?

I need a new bible.

I've recently decided to become more religious. It's been a solid

couple of years since I've really been devoted, mainly because

most of my childhood was comprised of the public school system

making me think the Church is nothing but a bunch of cultists.

Being older and wiser than I was, I see the errors in my ways.

I have a beginners bible from my first communion, but I'm thinking

I need something more in depth.

Should I get the KJV or what should I get?

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6a1c29  No.797241

I like the ESV.


ebb50f  No.797245

>>797239

>a thread

Try 5.

>>797178

>>795761

>>795787

>>788006

>>780886

And that's just a quick ctrl-f in the catalog for "version". There are probably more.


e48214  No.797247

>>797245

Thanks for giving us the run down. Definitely some threads worth checking out.


2b2d4f  No.797457

>>797178

Start with the NABRE (New American bible, revised edition), the translation are easy to read and the commentaries are fantastic.

Do the KJV on your second read, but be aware that it isn’t perfect (e.g. the name of the trinitarian God is grammatically incorrect)


eb35b0  No.797514

>>797223

That's just it, anon. For "hundreds of years", scholars were far more in agreement (across the whole Prot/Cath/Ortho spectrum) and understood what the word of God was and had an essential faith. It's only in the past 50-100 years that things changed and now you have academia that is agnostic (or in the cases of some, like Bart Ehrman, actually atheistic and actively hostile). You have to be more cautious about what they produce.

In the end, we should remind ourselves what Jesus considered important. "Amen I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." He didn't say anything good about scribes. But if we keep our childlike love and wonder of God, that's what matters in the end.



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51b8b0  No.797478[Reply]

https://www.lifenews.com/2019/04/17/methodist-baptist-lutheran-presbyterian-and-united-church-of-christ-pastors-sign-letter-supporting-abortion/

>Fox 17 in Nashville reports this month, more than 150 religious leaders signed the letter calling for abortions to be kept legal and easily accessible in Tennessee.

>“While there are varied opinions on abortion based on religious beliefs, as persons with deep faith commitments, we affirm a person’s right to decide when to become a parent or expand their family,” they wrote. “As people of faith and as Tennesseans, we believe in loving our neighbors and treating one another as we would like to be treated — with compassion, dignity, and respect.”

cf752f  No.797484

>>797478

Mainliners again. I'm not surprised. They started down this path 50 years ago at least.



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9efe95  No.797481[Reply]

Been waiting for someone to do this, but no one has yet.

For those who don't know, Serenity is an "American manga" about a delinquent highschool girl who reluctantly becomes friends with a group of evangelical Christians, and is eventually awakened to the gospel. On its face it sounds like garbage, but it really sucks you in once you get going. We usually have a dump thread around Easter, which is what I'm doing now.

9efe95  No.797488

Mods, could you delete this duplicate thread? I lost my thread password.



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89a8db  No.797479[Reply]

https://www.lifenews.com/2019/04/17/methodist-baptist-lutheran-presbyterian-and-united-church-of-christ-pastors-sign-letter-supporting-abortion/

>Fox 17 in Nashville reports this month, more than 150 religious leaders signed the letter calling for abortions to be kept legal and easily accessible in Tennessee.

>“While there are varied opinions on abortion based on religious beliefs, as persons with deep faith commitments, we affirm a person’s right to decide when to become a parent or expand their family,” they wrote. “As people of faith and as Tennesseans, we believe in loving our neighbors and treating one another as we would like to be treated — with compassion, dignity, and respect.”


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