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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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93dd78  No.814279[Reply]

It literally says in the bible, in Genesis 7:2-

"Take with you seven pairs of all clean animals, the male and his mate, and a pair of the animals that are not clean, the male and his mate, and seven pairs of the birds of the heavens also, male and female, to keep their offspring alive on the face of all the earth"

So that's thirty animals in total. Obviously not a pair of each living species on Earth. So obviously it must be of the animals that are native to Noah's land.

So was the flood local? God does speak about the rainbow being a covenant with ALL life that he will never flood THE world again. If this was a global flood, there had to be countless others that God spoke to, telling them to also build a ark for the creatures native of their lands. Or was ALL and THE just being used specifically to the region and creatures where the flood happened locally? But then again, 2nd Peter 3:6 says the WORLD was deluged by water.

winnie the pooh dudes, why is this so complicated?

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e660d9  No.814303


Also probably the strongest proof of this comes in 2 Peter 2:7, which says "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

The verse clearly says that the "heavens and the earth, which are now," meaning that the world that is mentioned in 2 Peter 2:6 must come before the HEAVENS which are now.

If the very atmosphere was destroyed by the flood of Noah so that God had to make heavens again, it seems hard to understand how anyone survived. How were birds of Noah flying around in the aftermath if the heavens were destroyed. This is why ruin and reconstruction is the only sensible framework, and not standard flood geology.

4279aa  No.814398


This is reading is all entirely new to me, can you elaborate or map it out step by step to help me understand what you're talking about?

e61b41  No.814400


I was with you right up until

>words attributed to God that He didn't say

Oh no anon.

Look, I get it, the Bible is different from what we would call history today, the OT describes the origins of Christ with greater clarity than it describes what we would consider history, but don't push it that far or you'll not be a Christian, you'll be an anthropologist.

abab73  No.814560


>can you elaborate or map it out step by step to help me understand what you're talking about?

Pretty much what I said here >>814299 is the elaboration. After Noah's flood, God made an unconditional covenant that he wouldn't flood the earth to cut off all flesh, nor to destroy the earth anymore. This is because there was an earlier flood that occurred before Genesis 1:2 which destroyed the world that then was, and this is also what 2 Peter 2:6, as you quoted, is talking about. The flood that Noah rode out on the ark happened later and it involved destroying all the descendants of Adam except himself, his three sons and their wives. This is different in the sense that it didn't completely kill absolutely everything or destroy the atmosphere as the first flood did. And after this, God then promised not to do any more floodings like these two.

Not sure how I could make it simpler than this.

It implies that there was a world in existence in the time between when God created everything in Genesis 1:1 and the time when it was flooded and lifeless in Genesis 1:2. There's more reason to believe this besides making sense of the flood account, but this is a logical place to start. You just have to read specifically what God said in Genesis 9:11 and realize it's referring to two separate events. The part about destroying the earth is the earlier flood.

e4ab69  No.814614

> thirty clean animals

>two of unclean animals of their kind

>8 humans

Why is this so complicated to some people? It must be secularism rotting the populace's brain because even I knew about this even before my preteen years.

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00f3a0  No.813461[Reply]

I went to church yesterday with family. I don't know much about christianity but I had always heard jesus told people to love each other and be nice, didn't know much past that. They were not aggressive about it but when they found out i didn't go to any church or know much about it they started telling me i needed to be "saved" so I can go to heaven. I asked them if I would go to hell if I died now and they were basically saying "probably". I asked them why I needed to be saved and if jesus was so nice why he would send me to burn in hell. they said: "He is not sending you to hell it's just where you go and he can's save you if you don't believe in him." I asked them if jesus was all powerful after that and they said "yes"

How common is this belief and why don't you hear prominent christians talk about hell ever if they think we need to be saved or suffer forever as our default position?

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b76c59  No.814527


Yes, Hell is the "default" afterlife, so to speak. Everybody sins, or commits evil, therefore everybody deserves Hell. But if you earnestly seek salvation from Jesus Christ, He will save you from Hell and allow you into Heaven.

d41ab6  No.814529

This seems like a good thread for this.

I'd like counsel - no papism please

I keep getting deja vu and each time I do part of the DV is that I've lost my salvation. It's really bugging the hell put of me and I've been rather depressed. Any ideas?

b76c59  No.814532


>Any ideas?

Salvation isn't one and done. You have to continually repent because you continually sin.

d41ab6  No.814541


Hard to say because there are places in the bible that say you can lose your salvation

9e5319  No.814543


Not everyone is called to minister, OP.

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117a8d  No.812995[Reply]

Should it be led by educated laypeople this time or can a proposal made for another office to be established?

In the past both an informal position of the inquisition led by laypeople as well as by an office when one was established existed.

It served to guard the Catholic Church''s interior from subversion and heretical activity.

Investigators were sometimes dispatched to parishes in order to catch heretics/subversives including if it was the priest of a parish who was involved in it. They collected evidence and witnesses then trialed those involved.

Why not create another inquisition that does the same? Except this time it serves to operate secretively in finding and catching homosexual infiltrators in the priesthood by collecting the evidence needed, similar to how private investigators might do so or a ministry of internal affairs within a country.

The reason why it was not as much of a problem once upon a time is because the inquisition's exact job was to stop things like this. They spied on or investigated priests suspected to be engaged in heretical activity.

The Church has been vulnerable to infiltration and subversion by forces such as these homosexual pedophile priests ever since the inquisition was dismantled.

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b003fc  No.813101


>"During this unfortunate epoch, injustice will even enter here, my closed garden. Disguised under the name of false charity, it will wreak havoc in souls. The spiteful demon will try to sow discord, making use of putrid members, who, masked by the appearance of virtue, will be like decaying sepulchers emanating the pestilence of putrefaction, causing moral deaths in some and lukewarmness in others."

Reminds me of

>"For, indeed, although the socialists, stealing the very Gospel itself with a view to deceive more easily the unwary, have been accustomed to distort it so as to suit their own purposes, nevertheless so great is the difference between their depraved teachings and the most pure doctrine of Christ that none greater could exist" - Quod Apostolici Muneris

That was from a Pope Leo XIII, who also instituted the Prayer to Saint Michael to defend the Church (and that got thrown out during V2)

06787b  No.813252


Realized I put a typo. I meant abortion at 8+ months. Like third trimester abortions.

Looking at Wikipedia's page on people excommunicated, it looks like people have been excommunicated for preaching same sex marriage. And some laypeople in Nebraska were excommunicated for being pro-abortion.


283a7b  No.813470


Just excommunicate people like James Martin.

1a31d3  No.814510


We need an inquisition that can collect evidence, witnesses and etc to convict him with the powers to excommunicate.

When the inquisition existed they sometimes even investigated by being undercover or through hidden means. It worked really well in defending the church from gay pedophiles and also from subversion.

Removal of the inquisition disarmed the church. Just remake it again as a sort of private investigation agency by either laypeople or as an office once again under the Holy See.

2757c0  No.814535

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This. Heavy emphasis on it being "secretive", as otherwise modernists will do everything in their power to derail investigations into homosexual priests. Clergy should not be involved (even if they're Bishop Williamson-tier). Boomer women should not be informed either, given their tendency to form cliques and gossip. Inquisition 2.0 really should be limited to trustworthy individuals with a good reputation in their Church community and no social media presence.

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c4eae8  No.807100[Reply]

Alabama abortion ban passes overwhelmingly with no changes

By Mike Cason

Alabama lawmakers aiming to challenge abortion rights nationally are one step from their goal of putting an almost total ban on the procedure into state law.

The Senate tonight voted 25-6 to pass a bill to make it a felony for a doctor to perform an abortion. The bill is a priority for the Legislature’s Republican majority. Tonight’s vote sends it to Republican Gov. Kay Ivey, who could sign it into law.

Lori Jhons, Ivey’s deputy press secretary, said in an email tonight that Ivey would not comment on the bill until she’s had a chance to thoroughly review it.

The bill passed exactly as it was introduced by Rep. Terri Collins, R-Decatur, about six weeks ago. It includes only one exception – to allow abortions in cases of a serious health risk to the woman. The goal is to trigger a legal challenge to Roe v. Wade.

“I would say that we’re all very pleased to have this done,” Collins said at a press conference after the vote. “We’re excited about the possibilities that it could mean. It’s been difficult at times, and then at times it’s been really good. I felt really good about it all the way through.”

Under the bill, a woman receiving an abortion would not be criminally liable. The doctor would be charged with a Class A felony, punishable by 10 to 99 years in prison.

The bill passed the Senate on party lines after four and a half hours of debate, with all the Republicans who were present voting for it. No Democrats voted for the bill.

With Republicans holding 27 of 35 Senate seats, passage of the bill was not in doubt. A key question was whether the Senate would add an amendment to allow abortions for pregnancies caused by rape or incest.

Sen. Clyde Chambliss, R-Prattville, who handled the bill in the Senate, urged his colleagues tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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2288cd  No.814276


I can only say this is true for the political and business class in some states. Namely the northeast and western red states. Take someone like Mitt Romney or the Cheneys, who proport themselves as "conservative". Now, of course, there is a concerted effort to transform areas politically, especially places that are opposed to modernity. But yeah, in places that are big and on the coasts, support for modernity is the norm.

04d524  No.814278


Cincinnati and Dayton are both pretty liberal, but that's to be expected with bigger cities. Even outside of the downtown areas, the people I've met tend to be at least a little liberal leaning.

f506f8  No.814423



Well, if anything we've adequately illustrated why we're a swing state.

60a77a  No.814444

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I'm glad to see so many Ohiobros here.

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02e0f9  No.809042[Reply]

Post a saint from you're country

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023eda  No.813902


Also, St. John Paul II referred to Seraphim of Sarov as a Saint, though he was never officially canonized.

5734dc  No.813908


>There are.none from muirica

Yes there are. Here's one: >>809241

d688b3  No.813920


Tell me more about Saint Images.

92b2a5  No.814216


For what? Since Maronites are fully in communion with Rome but still has influences of the East, our artwork reflects it.

Mar Nimatullah is my favorite

25b915  No.814426

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Technically not a Saint, hopefully this changes soon

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737217  No.813785[Reply]

New Christian here. What is the New Covenant and how is it better than the Old Covenant?

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6d2494  No.814258

I accidentally deleted a post or two here by mistake

I've unbanned the dude who made the posts and everything, I accidentally hit the wrong button and didn't intend to mess with you in the first place, sorry about that

2a7bf9  No.814309


Sure you did

950a47  No.814358


Yeah but in the same sermon he says to be perfect. Obviously in the New Covenant you don’t have to follow God’s commandments perfectly to be saved. So then how is it not easier?

b1550a  No.814419


Why would he own up to it when as a mod there is literally no evidence unless someone arbitrarily took a screenshot?

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2ff633  No.812701[Reply]

A lot of people are coming to the inescapable conclusion that the state of the modern west is because people rejecting God in favor of their own desires. More and more people are coming back to traditional Christianity as a way of retaining good cultural values in a zeitgeist that attacks anything that disallows them from exercising their own disordered passions.

Is there a hope? A chance? Can Christianity overcome the depraved secular west?

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cbbcd1  No.813119


Sorry, but you are not convincing me; 99.9% of Western people, many of whom happen to identify as Christians, would call that racist. As for the anti-white ideas, I have heard mostly left leaning persons, some of whom are Christians.

As for the whole “anti-white”…it is something I can’t believe: we Italians never identified as white, only as Italians and that saved us from assimilation from other nearby Countries (many of whom were European people); Europe was and is not a monolithic identity, and I never found a definition of whiteness and its attributes which satisfied my people or me. And most Italians do not see themselves as white, like I wrote for myself, but as Italians, and specifically:











etc…because that’s our core identity: part of Europe, part of Italy, belonging to a region and a city or village. Please, don’t misunderstand me… I’m afraid for the survival of all the people of Europe and I agree many of our religious leaders failed us. But there are also many silent ones who are on our side, and they are speaking to their little flocks and encouraging them to resist this decadent and corrupting fads.

I’m coming to you from a different background, so I have my biases on many topics; I just have done my thinking and I’m a firm believer true Christian faith, not the watered down version which is often shown but which is not the actual majority, is one of the core pillars, together with love of family and of Country, which shall save us.

I’m not here to say you haven’t understood, or that I’m smarter; I am earnestly trying to make you understand why I still hold hope in the Christ. And at least I shall die knowing I was siding with the Eternal Truth.

ad02b4  No.813124


>The most I heard was some trad priest saying that race mixed marriages might not be the best idea, but he would never say it's objectively wrong, because he can't say that.

Because there's no canon against it(there is against religiously mixed marriages, though).

Keeping one's country demographically stable is a "side-effect' of them staying true to God, though.

4d9c36  No.813384

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> christianity is unable to acknowledge the concept of race.

Once you get out of away from those who think believe you can divorce the bible from it's historical context. Why do you think there are ethnic churches in Orthodoxy?

>Open Letter to the Orthodox, Clerical Authors of the “Statement Concerning the Sin of Racism”


73c24a  No.814264


objectively speaking the whole vid was pretty cringe tbh, 'the left this! the left that! cultural marxism smh! life was better back in the day when i wasn't alive! the left smh again!' Not saying he's wrong in his judgements but for a 'rediscovering Christanity' vid he couldn't have made it any larpier. There was no confession of sin or acknowledging his own sinfulness and the resulting humility or inward contemplation, just finger pointing and blaming and pining for based trad times to ensure western civ's rescue as the priority. Said he didn't know if there was an afterlife, although later may imply belief/hope for universalism, refrained from calling God by personal pronoun and instead referred to him as a 'higher power,' seemed to imply he may understand salvation as being works based, but that may just be a cynical reading of his poorly chosen words. Idk if he's read the NT and knows about the eshcaton but vid sucked ass imo 4/10. also, God pill and not bread pill, come on I hope he comes around to clearer thinking on it all.

b35714  No.814363


>Truth is absolute. It must be irrefutable. Everything that isn't absolute truth, is automatically a lie

Can you prove to me without a doubt that nature has laws and can you prove to me that they say what you claim they say?

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43af58  No.794593[Reply]

Do Catholics still believe there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church? If they do, then wouldn't Catholics and other Christians have irreconcilable differences, just like the JW and Mormons with the rest of the Christian community?

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9f282b  No.814226


An infant is saved at baptism, but that's not how full communion works. I'm not a larper, I just dont take this board very seriously. You must complete all of the sacraments to be in full communion with the church as well as maintain proper practice.

e58111  No.814230


How can Catholics, Orthos, and Prots all worship in truth if they all have mutually exclusive truth claims?

Only one of them can have, and worship with, the whole truth.

fb8ae9  No.814238


Exactly, and Catholics have the full infallible truth by the Church that Jesus Christ Himself founded

747fef  No.814239


>How can Catholics, Orthos, and Prots all worship in truth if they all have mutually exclusive truth claims?

Welcome to /christian/!

260e6e  No.814280


You can actually get excommunicated if you go off the deep end.


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2308bb  No.814164[Reply]

My thread got alactricy'd so I figure I'll post it again.

Anons I've prayed to God to show me his purpose for me, yet I haven't seen or heard anything from God, whether it be a hint, dream, or vision.

What does this mean?

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2308bb  No.814179


Yes I accepted christ at 8 and was baptist a few weeks later.

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de2f02  No.814184

What this guy >>814171 said, but also realize that God doesn't always speak to us with words. An example from my life that actually just happened over the past two days:

>sign up for marrow donation registry a year or two ago

>get call yesterday saying I'm a potential match

>on the fence now, it's one thing to say "yeah I'll help" and another entirely when you get that call

>unsure, I ask God to let me know what His will is for me

>today, get a call from the registry

>patient is no longer searching for a match

>I don't need to go forward with any more testing or anything

>my prayer was answered, and God didn't say a word

0a900d  No.814186


If you're Catholic, ask for the Sacrament of Confirmation. The Holy Spirit will help you in your quest.

611a4e  No.814197


If you want to know your purpose in life, get out of your house and find it. The more humble you are, the quicker you will know.

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24c96b  No.812791[Reply]

How do Christians choose one version of Christianity over another? How can all of you be so certain that your Bible is 100% accurate and that other Bible is not? How can you be sure that you are actually putting your faith in God himself, and not simply the word of other men? I am willing and able to accept the general worldview of Christianity as true, what I can't understand is how can one know which books are the true word of God and Christ and which are tainted? If they are all written by men, how can you put your faith in them and call it faith in God? Clearly some details were made up by men, and most are wse words written with good intentions, but how do you… Find certainty? Faith? Truth? I think Christianity is more or less the truth, but how do you know which sources on the subject are trustworthy and which aren't? How can you all be so sure of the specific versions you chose to beleive? I'm finding myself lost in life lately and have had these questions most of my life, but never found good answers. I come from a Christian background have been pretty agnostic my entire life. I do absolutely beleive there is a God at least, but I don't have any firm beliefs on who or what God is exactly. I'm genuinely lost and looking for help here.

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ad96cb  No.812960


That quote is fake, iirc

66bda8  No.812971

John 1: 1- 14 The Word is God and not in paper You will find the truth in him alone..What bible did the Apostles read?

9b63b2  No.812977


Just rule out the ones that have logical and theological flaws and you'll have the truth

>The Bible is the word of God

>The Church that compiled the Bible must of been endorsed by God else the Bible they made is wrong

>Therefore the Church at that time the Bible was compiled must be The True Church™

>Therefore Protestantism is false because the Church at the time that was endorsed by God promoted the Eucharist, Baptism of Children and Veneration of saints.

Then Jesus breathing on the Apostles for them to receive the Holy Spirit and other Biblical evidence/foreshadowing of the Filioque and the papal office (Among other things) rules out Orthodoxy, leaving you with Catholicism.

bf288d  No.813564


>>Therefore the Church at that time the Bible was compiled must be The True Church™

You're right, but you're forgetting you splintered off Orthodoxy

>foreshadowing of the Filioque

Oh, Suddenly the pope had the power to create grace, makes perfect sense. If the pope can create grace, then salvation can come from following the pope, and if salvation can come from following the pope, why would he have a personal reason to remain in the truth? And why wouldn't power seeking people try to acquire that seat? Oh look they did, and the Reformation was the result.

Savonarola did nothing wrong.

23319d  No.814167


>How do Christians choose one version of Christianity over another? How can all of you be so certain that your Bible is 100% accurate and that other Bible is not? How can you be sure that you are actually putting your faith in God himself, and not simply the word of other men? I am willing and able to accept the general worldview of Christianity as true, what I can't understand is how can one know which books are the true word of God and Christ and which are tainted? If they are all written by men, how can you put your faith in them and call it faith in God?

Pray for guidance. Once you have the Holy Spirit, all your questions answer themselves

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f395dc  No.812989[Reply]

Essentially they would be religious orders of monks/brothers that are also PMCs/Classed as Armed Guards which train to serve in provision of security services to the Church, and defending it in armed conflicts if existing.

Would it be possible to form any today and if so then how and what could they be used for?

How interesting would it be to be able to become a Monastic Soldier who serves as the Catholic Church's armed military?

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d22d08  No.814090


Create your own incorruptible independent Catholic Church.

7dd770  No.814103


So become a protestant?

No thanks

da3fa7  No.814124


Vatican Pope is corrupted.

84ecc7  No.814144


No, he's not corrupted; you just don't like him. The Church doesn't run on your personal snowflake fee-fees.

84ecc7  No.814145


Both are/were real monastic orders, yes. The Hospitalers still exist, even!

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242be2  No.810104[Reply]

Sorry if the question is dumb.

I'm from a muslim family (I'm a turk). So my family wants that I also be a muslim. They don't know that I don't believe in Islam. And they of course don't know that I believe in Christianity. They won't hurt me if I would convert (they aren't ultra strict arabs). But they would be sad and disappointed. They think that Islam is the right religion and think that I would burn in hell if I wouldn't be a muslim. That's why I'm going to convert when I move out.

That means I'm not baptized or anything else. So I wanted to ask, if I could pray to god when I'm not baptized.

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108db0  No.813887



If you are seeing this pilgrim OP

I hope all is well on your journey.

865cdb  No.813929




Frog posting is a mortal sin.

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7da4b4  No.813944


Speaking with authority about stuff you have absolutely no clue about shows low IQ, also called stupidity.

>The miracles of the Saint are many, not only towards Christians [Romans], who approached always with great reverence (in olden times there wasn’t a Christian family which had not visited Koudouna at least once a year), but towards everyone without exception, who approach his grace with faith. Thus there is a great mass of people who come from other faiths from throughout Turkey. The pilgrims number about 250,000 a year, the majority being Turks. The great iron gate of the Monastery, as we learn from its engraving in Greek and Turkish, was offered from the Muslim Rasoul Efenti, as a gift of gratitude towards the Saint for the healing of his wife.



7c4d8c  No.814091


Of course you can but please be ready for the future hardships.

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2f6894  No.779214[Reply]

>if you're a homosexual I hope you get brain cancer like Ted Kennedy

Now was this called for? Are all Christians like this?

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5ab783  No.814061


Wait…why should it matter if the fairchilds made indie scat porn? If they OSAS they should always be saved, scat porn or not. It's not like they are sodomites or anything.

39aaf8  No.814063


Well the story around what happened isn't exactly clear, like I said there's a lot of rumours. I don't know if Pastor Anderson thinks they are reprobates or not. That's why I was hoping this anon could provide some information about what happened.

50923a  No.814067

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I agree with you now it is probably just a rumor but I still find it hilarious. Anderson himself even says that drunkards murderers and fornicators can still be saved and allowed into heaven. ( embed related @49:18) but apparently not if these rumors are true.

9af62c  No.814068


LMAO what you just said is all true. That's insane–the absurdity of him throwing out a "Bishop" that he later found out denied the Trinity and now this. What's next, honestly? The only thing that would shock me would be something involving sodomy.

9fdcd3  No.815591


hi christian identity

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f6b62d  No.811357[Reply]

How will we beat the modernists?

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e890da  No.813031

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sorry, thought u wanted the other picture

e890da  No.813032

8bd366  No.813033


Thank you, you're cool :)

e890da  No.813037

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e06ae7  No.814028

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>Jesus promoted violence

>PROV 13:24. He that spareth the rod, hateth his son: but he that loveth him, correcteth him betimes

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0ae7e8  No.808893[Reply]

I’ve read the Bible (kjv, no commentary) before. I now want to read it again, but I’m a different version. I have narrowed it down to either the Orthodox Study Bible? Or the New Oxford Annotated Bible. Which one do you think I should choose?

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09fd7d  No.813960


>it's not missing the reference

Deuteronomy is, which makes your Bible about as "true" as The Message. Honestly, I should have saved myself the keystrokes and listened to >>813799. Sola scriptura all falls apart once you realize there is no perfect Bible translation - you realize this, and will therefore never concede that the KJV is just another flawed translation (by an unrepentant sodomite and adulterer, no less).

6f56ad  No.813976


It's not like reading the NIV precludes you from reading other translations. Sure, you can argue that it takes away time better spent but then you may as well read the original transcripts if you care so much for accuracy and authenticity

433a1e  No.813985

I would recommend going with the KJV

a8fd31  No.814009


Like I said, they look readable for the most part which makes reading something less literal pretty much unnecessary. If you're going to read another translation besides those, a more difficult one would be time better spent, or one based on another textual tradition like the Septuagint and the Peshitta.


I don't care so much for how fancy or pretty it may sound as much as it being precise. I'm not really in the camp of those who are interested in seeing yet another remake of the Bible narrative. The more modern translations like the RSV and ESV are also popular in large part simply because they're easier to read. That said the DR and other archaic style translations are more accurate to the word often. If even more diligent effort were given to a translation it could sound surprisingly lofty and refined in some places and rustic and vague in others. The original Douay Rheims sought to render every word as it was, even if it appeared vague.

As for Protestant translations, the Douay-Rheims was largely dependent on them. It and was not a work from scratch. It was revised to agree with the Vulgate where others differed. Not to mention also the Challoner revision. Now that Vulgate exclusivity is no longer the position of the Catholic Church, the need to rely on other source texts has become imperative.

03c81a  No.814014

Orthodox Study Bible has it right - KJV for the the New Testament and Septuagint for the Old Testament.

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