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8183d9 No.505650

What was Germany like during the cold war?

b96759 No.505658

what does this have to do with weapons? go ask /history/


14bbfe No.505665

>>505650

Full of British soldiers and their trophy wives/half-kraut kids


abe2a8 No.505704

>>505658

Fuck off, Burger. Yankee go home.

>>505650

East or West Germany? Westdeutschland aka. the Bundesrepublik Deutschland (BRD) was pretty much going full capitalism and in bed with NATO/US and the other European powerhouses (France, Britian, etc.), while Ostdeutschland aka. the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (DDR) was the frontal outpost of the Soviet Union and not that lucky economically, yet had a surprisingly intense military for its size.

Westdeutschland was building the Bundeswehr, while Ostdeutschland had the NVA (Nationale Volksarmee). The Bundeswehr was seen as rather slacking and as "west German mercenaries" of the US/NATO and they were indeed less intense than the NVA. The NVA had 85% Einsatzbereitschaft (operational readiness), so 85% of the soldiers had to be on their posts at all times. The Soviets were super paranoid about a full European escalation and the DDR being the closest country to the border of the NATO/EU was militarized a lot. They only had about 160.000 soldiers I think, but they were trained pretty "realistically" if there is such a thing.

The training scenarios involved a war with NATO and that the DDR was being overrun for a few hundred kilometers, until the Soviet army comes in and pushes the conflict back onto the territory of NATO countries. It was openly expected of the NVA soldiers to bravely sacrifice their lives to slow down the NATO offense until Soviet troops arrive. Think about that, knowingly training that shit. It's similar to Sweden today, knowing that they will only slow down any invader until NATO comes to save their asses.

The NVA also adapted the Darth Vader looking Stahlhelm that was developed during WW2 but not produced due to looking goofy, although it does provide better protection (and for that reason is in use with the Bavarian police force nowadays, though in Kevlar I think). "Schneid", meaning swag or smooth appearance, was more important due to moral and PR reasons than some better fragmentation protection in the eyes of the NS leadership. Anyways…

The two Germany's were pretty much divided, the Soviets started building the wall in Berlin and the whole border was pretty much closed. There was some cooperation later on though, the BRD built a PVC plant in the DDR, which didn't have the funds to do so due to planned economy etc. in return getting PVC for free.

People in the DDR were generally poorer, but not necessarily unhappier. What they did not have economically, they had to improvise and barter for. That led to a lot of unofficial deals and skills which many consumers in the West never developed. So yeah, there was ridiculous scarcity of many things, yet people made do with what they had and got quite inventive. Camping i.e. was a popular pastime, people were also much more open sexually. It's interesting to see how a politically and economically repressive government makes people find freedom in other areas of life that "free people" don't enjoy.

There's a lot of documentaries if you want to learn more, though they are mostly in German. If you have any specific questions go ahead and ask. You can put "DDR Dokumentation" into YouTube.


abe2a8 No.505705

>>505704

Oh, also mentioning that people in the DDR did in fact have the opportunity to travel - just not outside the Soviet sphere of influence. If you wanted to go to countries to the East you could do so easily and for very little money. Many of these countries were also more independent economically, so if your car broke down in the Czech Republic you would find spare parts that you would not easily find in the DDR. You could also buy "Westware" (western products) like Jeans or music in some of these countries, due to them being more open to western imports than the DDR. Many people went on cheap vacations to these countries and bought stuff like that in bulk before returning home and sharing stuff they got.

Culturally almost everyone was taught Russian, whether civilian or military. That also opened up the whole Eastern Bloc to the citizens of the DDR. Nowadays, not that many people learn Russian or could freely travel in those countries, due to language barriers and the lesser familiarity with local culture and politics. Back then there was very little "resistance" in that sense, so being a DDR citizen you knew Russian and were part of the Soviet sphere, same as someone from Yugoslawia or the Czech Republic. That lead to some interesting cultural exchange you won't find today anymore, though many East Germans still travel to the Czech Republic to buy stuff or go on vacation. It's mostly fireworks and knockoff products though.


781708 No.505725

>>505704

>>505705

The Bundeswehr used to be just as tough as the NVA, but they used a different strategy. Instead of holding the entire border until NATO would come to save their asses, they would have the "Kommando Schnelle Kräfte" (KSK, Commando Quick Forces), which would redeploy rapidly to the area where the "soviet spearhead" was expected, to slow down the enemy assault.

Later on, they were pretty sure that the Commies would advance through the "Fulda Gap" through Hessia, and towards Frankfurt to cross the Rhine and through the northern plains towards Brussels, where NATO headquarters are. The Bundeswehr changed tactics and amassed a lot of troops in those areas, basically upgrading most of it's troops to the same quality of the KSK, and focusing on anti Tank warfare. The Bo-105, Milan, Panzerjäger etc. were all projects started to destroy as many soviet tanks as possible before they could reach the Rhine. A lot of infrastructure was prepared to be blown up, essentially using a scorched earth tactic in cooperation with the use of AT mines, forcing the enemy to either waste time getting engineers in the area, or down a bottleneck where they could be killed more easily from prepared positions.

Another interesting thing are the NATO stay behind agents. Read up on "Operation Gladio" and it's non-Italian counterparts. Basically: specially trained personell would remain in the cities "overrun" by the soviet advance, concealed as civilians. After the soviet troops had advanced past them, they would come out of hiding and cause either chaos by destroying infrastructure, killing high ranking officers in the rear lines, or gather information/smuggle other agents around. During one NATO training mission they managed to smuggle two operatives from northern Norway to Sicily, without any NATO troops or law enforcement noticing. It is really interesting, and I would like to GM an RPG session where the players are Gladio operatives.

But when you ask about How "Germany" was like during the cold war, the west was like any other western country, while the east was a little better off than places as Ukrain or Estonia. Also: the cold war lasted from 45 to ~90, that's ~45 years of history where a LOT changed


abe2a8 No.505727

>>505725

Sorry to correct you there, but you are either making or mixing things up here. There is no "Kommando Schnelle Kräfte", the KSK is the "Kommando Spezialkräfte" and is, along with Paratroopers and Helicopters, part of the "Division Schnelle Kräfte". The KSK didn't exist until 20. September 1996 and the DSK didn't before 1. April 2001. They both have nothing to do with the cold war. If I overlooked something, link me some credible primary source like Bundeswehr documents from the cold war era and I'll stand corrected.

I do know about Gladio operatives, they cached weapons all over the country and had sleeper agents to wreak havoc on invaders once SHTF. IIRC there were also some terrorist attacks linked to them and some fascists in Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands, but I'm not sure.


abe2a8 No.505729

>>505727

There is a Kommando Schnelle Einsatzkräfte Sanitätsdienst „Ostfriesland“ but it was founded in 2003. Again not related to the cold war.


781708 No.505732

>>505727

>>505729

There USED TO BE a Kommando Schnelle Kräfte, IIRC. I could very well be missremembering something there though, since I can't find any information about it. Oh well.


abe2a8 No.505733

>>505732

I found no mentioning of such a commando anywhere. The KSK, DSO and DSK are all modern inventions (post 1990) and an imitation of foreign global intervention commandos, something back then wasn't even thinkable (German military being sent abroad, in a war/crisis).


623544 No.505784

>>505704

>Camping

That reminds me of something I learned from a fellow from the DDR and that is how to turn ordinary spoons into some of the best fishing lures around.


abe2a8 No.505789

>>505784

Yeah, they showed remarkable skills at improvising and DIY stuff. To this very day some ideas from the camping sector are based on DDR inventions, such as some caravans, car top tents, etc.


623544 No.505795

>>505789

Those skills came from the war and the autism that runs through our blood, make do with what you have.


abe2a8 No.505802

>>505795

I don't think so. The constant under supply with almost every product on the market forced people to find alternatives and they did become good at it, just as people improve with any other skill over time.


0dc6fe No.505851

>>505704

>people were also much more open sexually.

Does that explain the high count of "mischlings" your country has?


623544 No.505856

>>505802

I was getting at is the amazement of allied forces at the end of the war seeing how people made shit work with whatever they had on hand, despite how haphazard it may or may not have been in actual operation. People just don't forget that sort of stuff.


c68ecc No.505864

>>505851

>East Germany

>Mischlinge


abe2a8 No.505866

>>505851

This is the point where I ask you to quote statistics from German government to base your claims. Which you won't since you can't.

But be informed that ironically Germany has very high incest rates and thus is ethnically more "pure" for a lack of a better term than might be good for the population. Same goes for the US btw.

Also, only Eastern European nations had easy access into the DDR, so who did they mix with? Poles, Czech, Russians, Ukrainians? Unless you go with some NS race view of Slavs being subhumans, I don't see a problem with whites mixing with whites, or is there?

And nowadays it's the East German areas that are highly suspicious of immigrants and if you look at a map how immigrants are distributed over Germany you'll find very very low numbers in the former DDR countries ;)

But then again, I can't except you to understand any of that, can I?

>>505856

Yeah well there always is this stigma that former DDR people (also called "Ossis" from "Osten" (East)) are uneducated or lazy, but generally more proletarian and poor. The economic part is mostly true, people reused whatever clothing and material they had over and over, the vegetables in the markets were mostly cabbage and if you wanted to buy something you often had to wait 3-10 years due to planned economy.

They were however by no means stupid or lazy. What they didn't have economically they made up with clever workarounds and hard work. They could have build many industrial facilities themselves, if it weren't for the lack of steel types and other pieces.That's also the reason for the cooperation with the BRD later on to build the PVC plant. They perfectly well operated the plant later on, they just weren't issued the resources by their government to build it due to planned economy being a fuck-up.


0dc6fe No.505878

>>505866

Well, the reason that I "claimed/assumed" the DDR to have high numbers of mischlinge is because of the Soviet push from the east during the last days of WWII in which it ain't just white Russians that are attacking (since a lot of those men have been killed in the opening and the delaying actions of the Red Army as the "blitz" of the three Army German Army Groups rolled eastwards as well as the fuckery done by the jews at the NKVD) but a lot of Asiatics (people within the USSR further east and north east) as well. And according to the accounts of germans and soviets alike, the asiatics behave differently and not according to "european standards". Another reason that I have came up to the "mischling" assumption of mine is that the Allies on the west treat germans differently compared to the ones in the east. (Both civvie and soldier alike)

Now, my question is, did WWII not have much impact on the racial homogenity of the germans, or was my "mischling" assumption wrong?

Now,

>But be informed that ironically Germany has very high incest rates and thus is ethnically more "pure" for a lack of a better term than might be good for the population.

why? What are the causes?


2fd34a No.505879

>>505866

There's a german that posts on /liberty/ and has a writing style similar to yours. Wouldn't happen to be you, would it?


abe2a8 No.505881

>>505878

>speculation

Who would have thought, eh? As I said, get hold of statistics that show the ethnicity and heritage of people being born there for decades. I have yet to see an Asian-mixed East German. There is no stereotype about that, nor did I ever hear about that. Some people have family ties to Eastern European countries (obviously, living in the border areas), but that's nothing special. The same thing exists in the West near NL, Belgium, France, etc. or in the South with Italy, Austria and Swiss.

There is no racial homogeneity to begin with in Germany. Each Bundesland has its own local ethnic groups that lived there for centuries, depending on the geography and political spheres there are little changes over time. There are however larger migrations and changes due to war. But if you look at many cultural and ethnic factors throughout history, you'll see that mostly people stayed where they are, with some migrations here and there.

That even led to severe problems, take Holstein i.e., part of the German-Danish area in the north. Before people from further East came and migrated into the area, there were severe problems with inbreeding. It sounds funny, but it's actually not. The guy who ran one of the garden colonies in the area had some form of impairment due to genetics, since the parents were closely related. That was a serious problem in all these isolated areas and led to birth defects, child deaths and all kinds of handicaps.

This idea of "racial purity" does not work out in practice. Yeah, if you take a white and a black parent their kids will be "mixed", but phenotype is not the only part of the equation (though the most visible one). There also exist the genotype and genetic health, which goes into a drastic decline if you pair people with similar genetics for too many generations. You don't have to speculate on that, you can take ANY area where people fuck their sisters (rednecks, gopniks or small German villages) and you'll see what it does to them. Crooked teeth, goofy faces, crippled people and dumb ass motherfuckers.

So, excluding the obvious war crimes and rapes, an introduction of different genetic material from Eastern countries such as Russia is a good thing for East Germany. Ironically, Eastern Germany today is seen as right wing, neo-nazi and ethnically pure. The statistics show that, there are barely any immigrants there (less than 5% I think it was, some places have almost no immigrants whatsoever). Then again, it's mostly the East that complains about immigrants, while factually having the least.

>why? What are the causes?

Well, see above. Germany geographically starts in the north with ultra flat coastal areas and increases in height and mountains from about the middle to the southern border. That leads to a lot of isolated spaces, since travel in mountainous areas was historically difficult and people stuck to themselves. Then add the political factor (look at different German maps) and you'll understand that so many duke-doms and kingdoms as well as laws (every farmer living on a Landscholle, a property that he can't leave and that is inherited to his children) isolate people a lot.

>>505879

I haven't been on that board, no.


abe2a8 No.505885

File: 96c8331511c38cb⋯.jpeg (25.97 KB, 460x534, 230:267, migranten-in-deutschland-….jpeg)

Here's a map of migrants per Bundesland. You can imagine which ones are the former DDR, eh?


0dc6fe No.505888

>>505881

Thank you sir.

>>505885

It is safe to "assume" that by now the DDR would have remained (and/or lessened) the amount of migrants that they have compared to the rest, ja?


abe2a8 No.505889

>>505888

Trips checked. The Eastern Bundesländer have had few migrants ever since and nothing really changed about that. The Western Bundesländer always bitch how everyone there is neo-nazi and hostile to foreigners. Though true, there are instances where "xenophobia", the dislike of foreign elements, is valid. If you live in a village with 2000 people and some politician decides to reside hundreds of migrants in your location because (((reasons))) then neither the people nor the infrastructure will take that gladly. I personally have no problem in general with migrants, however the differentiation, once again, is political in nature here.

Let me explain: there are no migrants. I mean yes, there are migrants as in people who come here. But those migrants or refugees (another purely political term) does not really describe the people who come here. It's propaganda. Refugee or not, what I am interested in in a person is his character, how he makes decisions and finally whether he's a decent person or not. None of the PC terms give any valid answer to that question, but neither do the racially biased ones.

As I explained, Germany has no coherent ethnic background. The division was first done by Caesar, later found it's way into kingdoms yadda yadda Hitler Germany boom today Germany. But locally there exist many linguistically and culturally different minorities and the same goes for the Arabic world (I'll just equate refugee with Arab here for a moment).

But even the term Arab does not have a lot of meaning. It can be a Moroccan, a Syrian or someone from Qatar, three culturally, linguistically and also religiously completely different countries. They have different ethnic background and different customs. You can call them all Muslims or Arabs, but you overlook 90% of their actual identity. And both PC and PI people do that today, because they both don't understand what they talk about. Both sides of this game merely instrumentalize migrants. And that's not something I can work with if I want to figure out whether that guy in front of me is a decent fella or not.

So in order to make an assessment about a person from an Arabic country, you need to understand his ethnic, economical, cultural, linguistic and religious background. By my own experience, once you have a basic understanding of where he's coming from, the conversation turns into a very interesting and respectful one, as you can relate to him and understand him. Then again, that does not mean there are no problems with migrant crime, etc. but it is a prime example of how to resolve this problem. As long as these categories are applied to people, be they German natives or Arab migrants, there is always this 90% oversight of actual identity. And you always chase ghosts that way.


79973e No.505890

>>505889

>If you live in a village with 2000 people and some politician decides to reside hundreds of migrants in your location because (((reasons))) then neither the people nor the infrastructure will take that gladly.

And, sadly, that's exactly what is done here. Another favourite lie from the state is that they are poor migrants. So far, for every small family I see I see at least a dozen male youths in expensive clothes.

This whole situation was nothing but a go signal for people all over the middle east and northern Africa to enter Europe as they damn well please and get paid by the state for doing absolutely nothing.


125044 No.505896

File: e85c132196d71fa⋯.gif (1.99 MB, 500x500, 1:1, roulette.gif)

>>505889

>muh decent fellas

If you roll a die, you have a 1 in 6 chance to roll any single number. If you roll two dice, then their average is closer to 7, because most combinations will give you 7. If you roll 100 dice, then this is what you get: http://anydice.com/program/5a1 What I want to say is that you can go on about how a single Arab might be such a nice guy, and we must give a damn about him being Syrian and Libyan, but it doesn't matter when we are discussing the effects of importing hundreds of thousands of inbred Moslems with an average IQ under 90.


000000 No.505898

>>505866

>Unless you go with some NS race view of Slavs being subhumans, I don't see a problem with whites mixing with whites, or is there?

Even between "whites" there are big differences. Northern Europe has always been more strict, organized and harder working than southern Europe, going back all the way to antiquity. If Germans mix enough with Slavs or southern Europeans, a lot of those qualities would go away.


abe2a8 No.505899

>>505890

It depends on the case though. Young adults buy stylish and expensive clothing, that's simply vanity and pretty normal. Especially if you come from a country where there is a lot of awareness for such matters and where things may be more scarce than here. If you come from such a background to a place like Germany ofc you are going to get the coolest shit you can get and spend a lot of money on it. Also, given muh capitalism, what do you care what others spend their money on? That's not a rational argument to begin with, but ad hominem/virtue signaling. The very thing PC people do. Anyways…

About the "getting paid by the state" thing. I'm going off memory here, but I took a thorough look into that matter. People who get here to apply for a VISA, so they entered illegally and want permission to stay, are screened medically, psychologically and probably ideologically/criminally as well. Hundreds of them are stuffed into sports halls at a time and the process is very tedious and slow. During that time they are limited in their movement (practically due to housing situation and legally as well IIRC, having to report to some place regularly, similar to sex offenders) and they get paid LESS than Hartz4/AlG II (welfare money). I think it was 230€ a month or something, but you can easily find the exact numbers online. If you are a careful spender you can get along with that amount, but it doesn't buy you anything nice in regular stores. You can easily spend that amount of money in one shopping trip without even buying luxury items here in Germany. So no, they are not paid well by any standard.

Now, there was one image that circulated the internet, claiming migrants supposedly got "special treatment" (lol) and about 1000€ per month for "being migrants". I looked into that as well and it turned out to be a disgusting propaganda lie. The "special needs" payments that family got on their balance there is given to families with children or members that have severe disability and need to cover costs caused by that circumstance. If there is one thing I can assure you it is the fact that our government does NOT hand out money for free. Even for regular welfare they crawl up your ass and search for every cent in hopes of finding anything that justifies them declining you any money. That goes to extents that families (migrants and natives, doesn't matter) have to sell their homes, cars or change apartments in order to be eligible to welfare support due to being poor enough, instead of helping individuals who lost their job over the period of unemployment and keeping their living standard. Nope, you gotta be poor as shit to get that money, else you're forced to sell assets.

So much for welfare in Germany and the gov handing out money to migrants. Does not happen. They get shit for the first months, after like 3-6 months they can apply for that 50% of welfare payment. Which in effect buys them the same shit or less than they can get at home.


abe2a8 No.505900

Another thing: I did talk with a girl from Algeria and she said she'd never leave her home country. She said guys who wander off to Europe to get welfare or marry some rich woman are seen as losers at home. Which adds up with the general attitude I learned from many Arab countries. What these migrants are accused of here does not fly well with their people back home. Take Turks for example, they're not Arabs, but still. Turks from Istanbul don't see these German-Turks as Turks. They're German to them. And when they are here we see them as Turks. They're in between or neither, depending on how you look at it. Same goes for many other migrants.

See some Arab guy smoke? Drink? Behave bad in public? Spit? Make rude gestures? Engage in criminal and illegal behavior? Well… depending on what it is (dealing cannabis, lel)… I'd say ask his father/elder brother/family/people at home about his behavior. A great many times people behave badly towards the German establishment or German "rednecks". But if you actually confront them with their behavior in presence of their relatives, they become very, very silent. Of course there are also antisocial families and such, but I often made the experience that it's mostly the younger generations escalating such situations and getting the belt at home if that ever came out.

But >>505890 is right, not all migrants that pose as refugees are actually Syrian refugees. In fact, a great many people come from other places, with good or bad intentions. The only way to understand that though is to be able to differentiate. Syrians speak the Levantine dialect of Arabic, which is fairly distinct from the way people of the Maghreb region (north African coast) speak. If a person knows a tiny bit about that, he can figure out very easily whether one is a Syrian refugee or not. Both in pronunciation and grammar/vocabulary the Arabic language changes drastically depending on region and class. Which is, in fact, the case with the German language as well: there is Hochdeutsch (high German) and there are many dialects that sometimes are not mutually intelligible (such as Ostdeutsch or Bayrisch). This applies to Arabic as well: there is the Modern Standard Arabic used in Literature and Media, then the Egyptian dialect used mostly in movies, due to Egypt being the Arabic Hollywood and then you got all kinds of dialects from the Maghreb, Arabic Peninsula, etc. who can't really understand each other.

So yeah, the practical solution is: learn to recognize Syrian Arabic and learn a few key phrases. Ask people to pronounce Arabic words and you'll find out in seconds whether they are Syrian refugees or coming from some other place. And if you go beyond that, you can even tell where exactly they are from.

(((Shibboleth))) my friends, (((shibboleth))).

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/shibboleth


abe2a8 No.505903

>>505896

>importing hundreds of thousands of inbred Moslems with an average IQ under 90

You are again overlooking what makes up the identity of these people. And that is a dangerous thing. I didn't say their nationality is the important factor, I said it's one factor to differentiate based upon.

To put it into more drastic terms: a doctor needs to understand the disease in order to cure it. And you are asking to hack off an arm because there's a rash on it. You're a bad doctor, not understanding the disease and not having the right means to cure it. Turns out, in many cases applying a healing balm to the rash makes it go away. Such is my personal experience with the people we're talking about here.

Also don't forget the actual problem: the government. Regular people don't make big decisions, they often follow in the wake of legislation and events created by governments. If you want to effectively improve the situation, look at who caused and allowed this situation. It is governments, not regular people. Apparently, if it was up to regular people, we'd have no migrants, right? So instead of scratching that rash, making it worse, get hold of the fucker who poured itching powder onto your arm.

>>505898

[citation needed]

I actually happen to have read Caesar's bellum gallicum in the original, so I know where these stereotypes originate from. His goal was to justify his actions in Europe, since he only had orders to resolve one issue in trans-alpina (the lands beyond the alps). He smoothly sent his troops into winter camp, which he noted in a single sentence at the end of a paragraph and thereby overstepped his authority given by the senate. He regularly made "observations" about the people living in "gallia" et "germania", the areas that today make France and Germany.

These "observations" were primarily intended to make it look plausible and worthwhile to the senate for him to stay on his campaign, which de jure was illegal for him. But if you read that book, you will find that your modern image of "Germanic" or "Northern European" people is partially propaganda and otherwise distinct from the original stereotype Caesar was pushing for his agenda. Just something to be aware of.

Also, the Rus were vikings, too. And they form the base of the Russians, the biggest Slavshit nation around. The Finns, however, don't come from there. They came from the black sea and migrated to that place, which explains their fucked up language (sorry Finnbros), which isn't Scandinavian at all. Up until the oil industry boom in Norway, that country was an economical snail. You should really reconsider your assessments about large groups of people and centuries of history.


0dc6fe No.505904

>>505899

>>505900

(Double dubs checked)

Well, all is well and dandy about being able to differentiate which is which but >>505896 does make a strong point. One or two, not a problem to you. If we are talking about hundreds and thousands of them drastic changes of the negative kind will happen.

I mean, those reports about "youfs" in germany harrasing the women and being a nuisance to everyone at the yule season of year 2015 or 2016 was true, right? Or do these "harrasments" only happen in specific towns with a huge migrant influx or areas where the EU drops off "refwjeez"?


125044 No.505906

File: 18bc70a615c756f⋯.jpg (2.66 MB, 2250x3100, 45:62, A_doctor,_straddled_by_a_s….jpg)

>>505903

>I didn't say their nationality is the important factor, I said it's one factor to differentiate based upon.

And what I say that after a point differentiating is not important, because it doesn't matter if you have Syrian terrorists or Libyan gangs in your country. It doesn't even matter if you have Moslem Arabs or Catholics from Sub-Saharan Africa. What matters is that they are of a lower quality as a people.

>And you are asking to hack off an arm because there's a rash on it. You're a bad doctor, not understanding the disease and not having the right means to cure it.

This isn't rash, this is cancer. And you don't fight cancer with voodoo ointments, you destroy it.

>Also don't forget the actual problem: the government.

Then fight the government.

>Also, the Rus were vikings, too. And they form the base of the Russians, the biggest Slavshit nation around.

The stereotypical Russian noble had a German name and spoke French, and for a good reason. Most of them didn't give a damn about the nationality of their peasants, because Russia was an empire, not a nation. A good example is how good old Ungern-Steinberg served the tsar while he thought that Slavs were inferior to Germans. Yes, today's Russia a Slav nation, but it's the result of a rather long chain of events that included butchering their nobility. They aren't VAIKAGNZ. It's similar to how the German state of Prussia had nothing to do with the historical Prussian people whom they displaced.


abe2a8 No.505907

>>505904

> If we are talking about hundreds and thousands of them drastic changes of the negative kind will happen.

That depends, largely on political and (((other))) reasons. Take Jerusalem, Morocco/Maghreb and other places where Muslims lived in peaceful coexistence with Europeans, Jews, Asians, Africans, etc. for centuries. Buying into the propaganda that Muslims = terrorism is a destructive and absolutely toxic axiom. It effectively forces the conclusion that a violent/apartheid kind of solution is the only way out of the situation, thus factually ignoring actual history.

The north African coast was settled by European migrants coming over Spain and assimilated into the area, same for Romans. Of course that was largely pre-Islam, yet even after that these influences stayed alive. Berbers, Tuareg and other ethnicities in the region are officially mostly Islamic, yet they have their own lifestyle and still stick with traditional magic, amulets, no veil, etc. and are not accepted as "true Muslims" from the more hardcore people in the Arabic Emirates.

Jerusalem has been a crucible of cultures for centuries, not only for religious but also for economic reasons. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully together for a long period of time. You can't ignore the role many popes and crusades played in fucking up that situation. In fact, the Muslim rulers allowed Christians to settle there, while Muslims in Europe were being impaled. And while eye and brain surgery were commonly practiced in the Arabic world, Christian doctors in Europe were practicing a barbarism that you can't even call medicine. I recommend you getting your hands on a medieval monastery book on medical treatments… you'll have the same reaction Arabic doctors who visited Europe had back then: OMG WTF?

As for today, we have to acknowledge that from the side of the US gov and NATO there exists the strategy of the "clash of cultures" and that Islam has been a hot topic in PR agendas even before it got "on the news". And if you listen to Arabic leaders (such as Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Muhammar Al-Qadafi and others) who first were "freedom fighters", "liberators" and lauded assets of the CIA and others, they later turned into "terrorists" and "dictators" when they didn't want to play ball, had outlived their usefulness, the US gov needed plausible deniability/a scapegoat or they tried to sell oil on the world market for a different currency than dollars.

I highly recommend you listening to such leaders and check their speeches held at meetings virtually unknown to most folks here in the west, such as the Pan-Arabic and Pan-African meetings. The simple fact that the average citizen of the Western nations barely ever heard of these nor knows anything about them is a warning sign. Based on the reports of our media we're practically blind as to what actually happens in the Arabic world and what the people there truly want. If you now suggest that X group of people have a certain intention, you need to A) prove that and B) understand the background of the whole ordeal. And when have I ever seen an Arabic source for political motivations? Never ever. All that is debated here comes from the Western sphere of influence. There exists practically no exchange of information on international issues. If something happens in the Arabic world, it is Western media telling us about it. It is in English, written by locals, Americans or Jews. Not by actual Arabs. Twitter, Facebook and other media (such as the Syria maps we often have here on /k/) provide new but important insights into what is happening there and they consist of reports made by actual people from there.

So unless you use all the available information (Western and foreign) I will dismiss your conclusions as conjecture. As for the coexistence, that is possible. One of the foremost reasons why it does NOT work is disrespect, lack of understanding and interest in actually coexisting. Hostile attitudes go both ways and neither side really does anything to help it. Plus it is our governments that are dropping bombs on their families over there. And it is our governments imposing economic sanctions on their countries. The West is pressuring the Arabic world further and further and has done so for decades, so don't be surprised if a lot of people from over there have a certain dislike for what is happening here.


abe2a8 No.505908

>>505906

>What matters is that they are of a lower quality as a people.

You are not making any statement, this is ad hominem sophistry. You are expressing your contempt for people you can't even define correctly or point out what is wrong with them. You simply say they are bad. If I question or disagree that statement, you will say it's obvious and anyone disagreeing must be dishonest or stupid.

This kind of argumentation is fallacious and I will not engage in it with you. You have the opportunity to make founded arguments, if you choose to not do so go ahead, I'll ignore it. Ironically, Larry King was pulling the same shit on Ahmadinejad on his show when he questioned him about the Holocaust. What is important is method, not result. If you apply the same methods as (((Larry King))) in order to denounce people who ask uncomfortable questions, then you should take a serious look into the mirror.

>This isn't rash, this is cancer. And you don't fight cancer with voodoo ointments, you destroy it.

In fact you don't. Chemo therapy has a 5% survival rate, because it destroys the whole body. So in our analogy, you are killing the West by waging the war on cultures. Which is exactly what I am talking about. If you want to cure the situation, you infuse gold particles into the cancer and make those cells pop. All healthy tissue survives, the West lives on with decent migrants intact.

>Then fight the government.

You genius must have some form of plan to do exactly that, don't you? You considered it all, you have all the solutions. You simply say "fight the government" and all is well.

You have nothing. You don't understand the people, the problems or the possible solutions. You're just channeling your fears, anger and disappointments into conflicts readily presented to you by the media.

>Slavs were inferior to Germans.

Yet Nietzsche, probably the historically most intellectual German to ever exist, expressed an extreme discontent for anything German and considered himself to be of pure Polish blood with not a drop of bad German blood in him. He said he'd not allow the young German prince to be his coachman. He considered nationalism as a disease, called it the necrose nationale (I don't speak French). He said the term "German" should be a new expression for everything stupid, nationalistic and ideological among the intellectual European countries such as France, Poland, etc.

But in any case, I'd like you to go to Russia and tell these Russian nationalists of any kind (NatSoc, whatever) that they are in the wrong. And I'd like to know whether you see them as the "good" guys for being nationalistic or as the "bad" guys for being Slavs. Because at that point your whole framework breaks down.


79973e No.505913

>>505899

>Young adults buy stylish and expensive clothing, that's simply vanity and pretty normal.

Sure. It's just hard to give me the usual "poor refugee" lie when I see the cunts clearly having money. They make up the vast majority I've ever seen here. It's anecdotal evidence, sure, but I'd rather believe what I actually see instead of the far left propaganda machine that is our government.


125044 No.505914

File: a3d98e678253fc9⋯.png (91.96 KB, 1131x438, 377:146, iranian_on_arabs.png)

>>505907

>Of course that was largely pre-Islam, yet even after that these influences stayed alive.

Yes, they conquered North Africa and it turned from Christian to Moslem. Wow, you showed us why we should really import lots of Moslems!

>You can't ignore the role many popes and crusades played in fucking up that situation.

The crusades were a response to the Seljuk Turks harassing Christian pilgrims. And no, the Seljuks weren't the Pope's long arm.

>In fact, the Muslim rulers allowed Christians to settle there

Because Christians had to pay an additional tax simply for being Christians. And again, at that time the feudal-imperial way of thinking was dominant. That is, rulers didn't really care who were their subjects as long as they fall in line and paid their taxes.

>And while eye and brain surgery were commonly practiced in the Arabic world, Christian doctors in Europe were practicing a barbarism that you can't even call medicine.

You mean Persians were better doctors back in the day, and it took some time for Western medical practices to evolve into what is objectively the best the world ever had? I see.

>OMG WTF?

rolfmao dude

>So unless you use all the available information (Western and foreign) I will dismiss your conclusions as conjecture.

So unless we agree with you you will dismiss all of our conclusions as conjecture. Noice.


abe2a8 No.505915

>>505913

What refugee or Arab here said he was poor? This kind of "gypsy"/sad dog eyes behavior does not run well with Arabs generally. They're way too proud for that. If you fell for that narrative, you bought into government/PC propaganda, but you can't blame that on Arabs.

>>505914

>Yes, they conquered North Africa and it turned from Christian to Moslem. Wow, you showed us why we should really import lots of Moslems!

*trump voice* wroooong. Learn2history. But thanks for proving that whatever point one makes, you will fit it into your narrative anyways. It's useless to give you information as you will just kvetch it into your ideology one way or another.

>Because Christians had to pay an additional tax simply for being Christians.

For being non-Muslims. The Muslim rulers allowed anyone in their countries as long as they paid a tax. Unless you prove to me now that you fight against your government because they take MUCH higher taxes from you (>implying you even work), I'll call you a hypocrite.

>You mean Persians were better doctors back in the day, and it took some time for Western medical practices to evolve into what is objectively the best the world ever had? I see.

"some time" equals centuries. And there is no evolution if you simply copy what others already practice. You are just behind the times then. For centuries. Which is due to Christianity, the true cancer. Also you are no medical practitioner, you can't make assessments on what historic or contemporary medical treatments are the "best" (under which aspects?). It proves you have never taken a look into medical research papers, else you'd see that Arabic and Asian names are very, very frequent in there. Libya and the Emirates have health care plans paid by oil money, so health care is accessible there. In the US you surely have some of the most qualified doctors, but then again most people can't afford them. I put into question your definition of "best".

>rolfmao dude

Indeed.

>So unless you use all the available information (Western and foreign) I will dismiss your conclusions as conjecture.

>So unless we agree with you you will dismiss all of our conclusions as conjecture. Noice.

If you conclude that using all the available information (Western and foreign) will definitely lead to a conclusion that agrees with me, then yes. Good thinking on your part there, though probably on accident, lol.


125044 No.505916

File: eb8e7716261d87c⋯.png (369.93 KB, 667x585, 667:585, 2016.png)

>>505908

>You are not making any statement, this is ad hominem sophistry.

You don't even know the words you use. Calling you a limp-wristed Cultural Marxist who is more interested in sophistry than in reality would be an ad hominem.

>you can't even define correctly or point out what is wrong with them.

Yes, I can! Their average IQ is lower, and that has many cultural and biological factors to it, from inbreeding to simply inferior genetics. And because of that lower average IQ they simply can't build stable and prosperous countries on their own. Or will you now tell me that all Africans were KANGZ until da ebul whitey stole their mojo?

Read this book:

http://archive.is/knjpD

https://analyseeconomique.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/richard-d-fuerle-erectus-walks-amongst-us.pdf

Or at least read this one chapter: https://archive.is/3CqF6

>You simply say they are bad.

You are putting words into my mouth. This kind of argumentation is fallacious and I will not engage in it with you. You have the opportunity to make founded arguments, if you choose to not do so go ahead, I'll ignore it.

>Chemo therapy has a 5% survival rate, because it destroys the whole body.

>you infuse gold particles into the cancer and make those cells pop

So instead of nuking Germany it's better to only infuse Moslem communities with thermobaric warheads and make those quarters pop. Hey, we are on the same page here.

>You genius must have some form of plan to do exactly that, don't you?

Am I living in a country that will soon turn into a caliphate?

>Slavs were inferior to Germans.

What you wrote has nothing to do with the subject at hand. React to everything else I wrote, namely:

>The stereotypical Russian noble had a German name and spoke French, and for a good reason. Most of them didn't give a damn about the nationality of their peasants, because Russia was an empire, not a nation.

>Yes, today's Russia a Slav nation, but it's the result of a rather long chain of events that included butchering their nobility. They aren't VAIKAGNZ. It's similar to how the German state of Prussia had nothing to do with the historical Prussian people whom they displaced.


30ecd2 No.505917

>>505878

While a shitload of rapes happend not too many children resulted from this. My mother only knew of one family in which the older sister had black hair and sterotypical East Slav features while the rest were blonde-haired and blue-eyed.

The same goes for the foreign contract workers the GDR hired, most of the these groups remained among themselves outside of work and while the occasional relationship happen they were met with societal disapproval (especially with Cubans, Mozambicans and Angolans).


abe2a8 No.505919

>>505916

>Their average IQ is lower

[citation needed]

>that has many cultural and biological factors

[citation needed]

>inbreeding to simply inferior genetics

[citation needed]

>can't build stable and prosperous countries on their own

[citation needed]

>muh links

Learn to cite sources. If you are referring to something in literature, don't simply link it but quote what you are referring to. It's obvious you have no experience with academic writing, else you'd not provide such a piss poor show here.

I will link you the "big book of fuck you" once I find it online. You can read in there all about why you're a fucktard. Your statements are not based on any actual data, you just shit your bias into this thread.

>>505917

Yeah, NVA soldiers also said their interactions with Russian soldiers were only at planned events and very superficial.


125044 No.505921

File: ed907c5f5dc69b0⋯.jpg (2.92 MB, 1386x4653, 14:47, gods_philosophers.jpg)

>>505915

>Learn2history.

Learn to argue and to type like somebody who isn't a fucking redditor trying to sound hip and cool. North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda?

>The Muslim rulers allowed anyone in their countries as long as they paid a tax.

If by anyone you mean Christians and Jews, then you are correct. Also, this doesn't negate my point.

>"some time" equals centuries.

Yes, and?

>And there is no evolution if you simply copy what others already practice.

And the Arabas only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own.

>you can't make assessments on what historic or contemporary medical treatments are the "best"

I'm not speaking about the past, but about the evolution that took pace over centuries. Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. If you needed brain surgery, would you rather trust modern Western medicine or centuries old Arab practices?

>It proves you have never taken a look into medical research papers, else you'd see that Arabic and Asian names are very, very frequent in there.

And? It's not a continuation of their own medical practices, instead they take part in the refinement and advancement of Western medical practices. Without the West they wouldn't be in a position to contribute anything.

>Which is due to Christianity, the true cancer.

All right, you are officially too ignorant to discuss these matters. Nevertheless, I will still try my best to shine some light on your ignorance. It looks like you need to read yet an other book. Pic related.

>>505919

You dishonest animal! I've linked you to a book that has a wealth of sources in it. So now it's up to you to discredit all of them, one-by-one. https://archive.is/vTi2H


79973e No.505924

>>505915

>What refugee or Arab here said he was poor? This kind of "gypsy"/sad dog eyes behavior does not run well with Arabs generally. They're way too proud for that. If you fell for that narrative, you bought into government/PC propaganda, but you can't blame that on Arabs.

None told me that. Propaganda claims that and I specifically mentioned that I don't believe it for a second. I don't talk to adolecent sandrats that have no business being here in the first place.


abe2a8 No.505926

>>505921

This will be my last reply to you, in hopes it bears some fruit (though I highly doubt that).

So you want to play the little "inferiority complex" game, yes? Okay, let's play then.

>and now it's Moslem

Not if you ask a Saudi Muslim. Go turn your TV on and check the news on that brewing conflict in Mali, the "Muslims" there wear no veil, have regular clothing, are not hardcore about their religion, are tolerant, don't give a shit about other "haram" things and are culturally Berber/Tuareg, engaged in their struggle for independence from Morocco. You make definitions very very broad and vague so they even work in your argument. Which obviously stems from a complete lack of understanding what is going on where and why.

>Yes, and?

"muh superior genes" if your people behave like the last Untermenschen for centuries while the supposed Untermenschen have surgeons even before that? I think you are having a giant blind spot here.

>And the Arabas only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own.

This is where it gets interesting. The Arabic numerals, as well as many other linguistic and mathematical ideas, actually don't come from the Arabs, Persians or the Greeks at all. In Arabic these are called the "Indian" numerals. As it turns out, Greeks, Persians and Arabs imported mathematics and numerals from there, the land of designated shitting streets.

But if you read the traditional Sanskrit literature on sciences (such as maths, physics, engineering, medicine, philosophy, law, economics, politics, war, etc.) you will find that they always give credit to a certain set of authorities, mostly individuals comprising vast amounts of literature, such as Vyasa, Valmiki or Maharishi Bharadwaja, all of which are declared as being "Devas" or "heavenly, shining ones", who reside on other "Lokas" or planets. And the Abugida used to write Sanskrit is the Devanagari script, which means "script of the heavenly city". Not surprisingly they also possess a very explicit and vast concept of cosmology and cosmogony, with countless references to more than 80 races and their respective regions in the cosmos.

And guess what, the historic ruling class of these Devas on Earth, who are mixed descendants of Devas and humans is called Arya, known to you through the way of the German National Socialist ideology who proposed that back in the day a legendary superhuman race populated the planet, tall blond people with abilities that surpass most ordinary humans, the Aryans. The Swastika, the caste system (the idea of ruling and serving races), the Abhaya Mudra (Hitler's greeting over the shoulder) and many other elements were adapted from India into the NatSoc world view. In fact the SS and other institutions had an expressed interest in Indian culture and were looking for the remainders of that ancient race, both in literature and people.

So, if you want to play the game "my people know more than you and yours stole from X", you got to trace it back all the way. Which of course you failed to do, since you don't know jack shit what you are talking about. And the very reason that inbreeding was practiced in the first case is explained by the Sumerian king list, as the authorities for a large part of human history were part Deva part human. To conserve the remaining "familiarity" with the former rulers, they had to inbreed. This had an effect on various factors, such as life expectancy, body height, the skull, complexity, etc. the more "authentic" a ruler looked, the better he was accepted, by humans and Devas. This is reflected in various practices all over the world, from the Meso-American skull deformations all to the binding of hair under veils in the Arabic world.

>I'm not speaking about the past, but about the evolution that took pace over centuries. Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. If you needed brain surgery, would you rather trust modern Western medicine or centuries old Arab practices?

Please list me those centuries old Arab practices you refer to. Oh wait, you have to google now and find out what you are even talking about, because you are bluffing again. But to answer your question: I'm equally comfortable with going into a hospital in Hamburg, Algiers or Riad.


abe2a8 No.505928

>And? It's not a continuation of their own medical practices, instead they take part in the refinement and advancement of Western medical practices. Without the West they wouldn't be in a position to contribute anything.

And that's where you are wrong. The West took almost all its medical understanding from the Greek and Arabic sources, which are based on Indian sources. But yeah, you're no medical researcher of any kind, so you can't understand.

>All right, you are officially too ignorant to discuss these matters. Nevertheless, I will still try my best to shine some light on your ignorance. It looks like you need to read yet an other book. Pic related.

Atheism is the negation of theism, but a +/- don't change the statement itself. No ancient literature mentions theism, if you read ancient literature in the original/interlinear version you'd know that. The fact that you propose either Christianity or Atheism shows that you can't find your own ass with two hands and a flashlight.

>You dishonest animal! I've linked you to a book that has a wealth of sources in it. So now it's up to you to discredit all of them, one-by-one.

Haha, you fucking pleb. Maybe you should apply for a college (well, bad idea nowadays, giving SJWs running rampart, probably converting you into some Antifa rioter based on your performance here) and learn how to research. If you got something to say, say it, cite or paraphrase a source and link it with all relevant info. You can't link books and say READ. If I did that, your internet connection would literally break down because of the masses of literature you need to read.

>>505924

See, this is what I mean, people substitute propaganda for what X group of people allegedly said. That's why I always advocate to talk to people directly, that way these discrepancies come to light very early and can be resolved. Your bias won't help you understand anything, it's merely a declaration of giving up.


9bb871 No.505929

File: e96c7c43dc76105⋯.png (863.87 KB, 1000x800, 5:4, 1374071289795.png)


125044 No.505931

File: 249377931289dd9⋯.gif (9.5 KB, 363x323, 363:323, scientific_advancement.gif)

>>505926

>This will be my last reply to you

So I won. Indeed, sophistry can't stand the hammer blows of repeating simple facts.

>Not if you ask a Saudi Muslim. Go turn your TV on and check the blahblahblah

I must repeat myself. North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

>"muh superior genes" if your people behave like the last Untermenschen for centuries while the supposed Untermenschen have surgeons even before that? I think you are having a giant blind spot here.

I'm a Hungarian man, I trace my ancestry to the ancient magyar tribes who practised certain forms of skull surgery. Of course, we could argue how close I am to them genetically, but that's not the point here. What matters is that you already put me into a box and engage with a strawman.

>This is where it gets interesting. The Arabic numerals, as well as many other linguistic and mathematical ideas, actually don't coblahblahblah

Let me just go back to my previous post again:

>the Arabas only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own.

>Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better.

Are these facts or fiction?

>So, if you want to play the game "my people know more than you and yours stole from X", you got to trace it back all the way.

I say Western medicine developed independently of those practices, because it didn't just stagnate for centuries. Or do you want to tell me that such subjects like modern bacteriology were copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

>Please list me those centuries old Arab practices you refer to.

Here is my source: >>505907

>eye and brain surgery were commonly practiced in the Arabic world

Oh, that reminds me. You didn't give a primary source to prove that eye and brain surgery were commonly practiced in the Arabic world. That's not very academic of you.

>I'm equally comfortable with going into a hospital in Hamburg, Algiers or Riad.

Would you be equally at home in Hamburg, Algiers and Riad?


abe2a8 No.505932

>>505931

>Would you be equally at home in Hamburg, Algiers and Riad?

I haven't been to Algiers or Riad, so I can't tell you. Hamburg is a weird mix of interesting harbor city and just fucking trash. I can imagine feeling at home sitting on a rug in a cool rural house next to a date forest, drinking tea and eating sandwiches with hummus, yeah. If you paid closer attention, you'd know that many Western people who traveled the world in the 18th-20th century stayed in foreign cities when they were much less developed than today, learned a lot about these cultures and didn't bitch like you do about the situation. They enjoyed learning about them and interacting with the foreign elements. That of course only goes for the actual scientists that went abroad, not royalty and political agents that had imperialistic motives. A great many people stayed in colonial territories though, much of who liked it there.


125044 No.505933

File: 651fcfdf0de5b57⋯.jpg (49.96 KB, 461x356, 461:356, smug anime girl.jpg)

>>505928

>And that's where you are wrong.

Do you want me that modern medicine came from India and not the West, or what? No, Pajeet didn't suddenly discover that the human body is made of cells.

>Atheism is the negation of…

Again, you didn't engage with what I say. I'm not religious, yet even I know that Christianity didn't slow down scientific research. If anything, modern science grew from the work of monks and priests.

>If you got something to say, say it, cite or paraphrase a source and link it with all relevant info.

I gave you links to read later, including one that leads to one chapter. There are three possibilities here:

>1. you are too retarded to click on a link

>2. you want me to clutter the thread by copypasting a whole chapter from the book

>3. you don't want to engage with that book, instead you want me to copy only a few sentences here so that you can autistically screech about how I didn't provide sources

Which one is that?

>Maybe you should apply for a college (well, bad idea nowadays, giving SJWs running rampart, probably converting you into some Antifa rioter based on your performance here)

Now, that's a genuine ad hominem right here. I'm college educated, and Hungarian colleges aren't that infested with Cultural Marxism. Even one of my more librul teachers openly spoke about how African students are simply bottom-of-the-barrel and we shouldn't let them study in our university. And he is a researcher of Africa. But I'm just rambling here. What matters is that you are only good at sophistry. I seriously suspect that you are some Germanized Turk. It would explain your retarded world view, and why you want to be a fence-sitting idiot. You can't speak for your shitskin brothers because you are culturally different from them. But you also can't speak against them, because with that you risk your own position in Germany.

>>505929

F for Italy, the new border of Africa.


abe2a8 No.505934

File: 249512362c82aff⋯.jpg (161.09 KB, 610x219, 610:219, Kybalion.jpg)

>>505933

>Do you want me that modern medicine came from India and not the West, or what? No, Pajeet didn't suddenly discover that the human body is made of cells.

He did not discover that, he was taught that. Along with that he was given literature on metallurgy, aerodynamics, space crafts, medicine, physics, mathematics, cosmology and a wide range of other topics. Funny how you completely skip three paragraphs on the matter.

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?beginning=0+&tinput=+%09%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B6&trans=Translate

vaniquotes.org/wiki/Airplane_(SB)

Thank you for proving once again that there is a reason why we are not supposed to talk about these matters.


79973e No.505935

>>505928

>That's why I always advocate to talk to people directly, that way these discrepancies come to light very early and can be resolved. Your bias won't help you understand anything, it's merely a declaration of giving up.

What are you even going on about? Understand what exactly? You don't even know what you're arguing here.


125044 No.505936

File: 1d333cfd05e1c92⋯.jpg (152.85 KB, 552x800, 69:100, battle_pope.jpg)

Sophists are slippery bastards, they are the equivalent of professional mud wrestlers. If you come across them you shouldn't wrestle them in their own mud. Instead you should fashion a warhammer from facts and clobber him with it. Worry not, even if your blows don't connect, his hands are too slippery to grab your hammer, his arguments are too unsound to rival yours. So hold on to your steel hammer!

>>505932

Yes, I can see it. You must be some Turk in Germany with some medical degree, and you want to use that piece of paper as a shield. So you always bring up medicine, because that is your field of expertise. Yet you downplay the tremendous advancement Western medicine went through in the last 200 years, so that you can feel good about yourself. It's quite something that you said you don't want to answer to me any more, yet you JUST had to answer this one rhetorical question from that post.

>>505934

>He did not discover that, he was taught that. Along with that he was given literature on metallurgy, aerodynamics, space crafts, medicine, physics, mathematics, cosmology and a wide range of other topics.

Indeed, the Brits taught them all those things. Thank you for proving my point again.

And those hammerblows:

<Do you want me that modern medicine came from India and not the West, or what?

>the Arabas only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own.

>Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better.

<Are these facts or fiction?

<do you want to tell me that such subjects like modern bacteriology were copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505939

>>505936

>Indeed, the Brits taught them all those things. Thank you for proving my point again.

No, the Brits were incapable to even translate Sanskrit literature correctly and left out pages after pages in what they attempted to translate. Whatever English "translation" they came up with was a load of rubbish, since they didn't grasp the language. You can't simply take Sanskrit and translate it word for word into the English equivalents, you can attempt that with French and German into English, but not Sanskrit. Especially if you try to project Christian theism into cosmology, that does not work at all. You can read what they ended up with, it's a fucking mess. Gladly there are scientists in India who possess the technical and linguistic know-how to reproduce what was written in the text, such as Prof. N.G. Dongre.

The only thing that blows is yo mama. I stop reaction to your sophistry because all you come up with is ad hominem, tu quoque, distorting arguments, overlooking facts and not quoting any sources. And you are too stupid to even understand that, q.e.d.


125044 No.505941

File: ca1b5fbc05419a1⋯.jpg (17.83 KB, 191x255, 191:255, boxbutthurt.jpg)

>>505939

>No, the Brits were incapable to even translate Sanskrit literature correctly and left out pages after pages in what they attempted to translate.

[citation needed]

>Whatever English "translation" they came up with was a load of rubbish, since they didn't grasp the language.

[citation needed]

>You can't simply take Sanskrit and translate it word for word into the English equivalents, you can attempt that with French and German into English, but not Sanskrit.

[citation needed]

>Especially if you try to project Christian theism into cosmology, that does not work at all.

[citation needed]

>You can read what they ended up with, it's a fucking mess.

>Gladly there are scientists in India who possess the technical and linguistic know-how to reproduce what was written in the text, such as Prof. N.G. Dongre.

[citation needed]

And remember to provide primary sources. We don't want to be non-academic, do we?

Oh, and I also have some questions for you.

<Do you want me that modern medicine came from India and not the West, or what?

>the Arabas only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own.

>Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better.

<Are these facts or fiction?

<do you want to tell me that such subjects like modern bacteriology were copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505942

>>505941

If you don't know about Sanskrit literature, you should not make any statements about it. I was not making any claims, I already told you posts ago that you are merely shitposting in this thread and that I don't take your statements serious anymore. So I am in no way responsible to give you anything in order to make you understand or agree with my arguments. Of course, an autist like you does not grasp such notions, whether expressed clearly or in the subtext, so I have to point it out, again.

If you want to shed your ignorance, read any of the works by the authors I already mentioned. Vyasa, Valmiki and Maharishi Bharadwaja all compiled works that contain more than your ant brain can stomach, which is why you pull off this charade here.

>SB 2.2.26

>TEXT 26

>atho anantasya mukhānalena

>dandahyamānaṁ sa nirīkṣya viśvam

>niryāti siddheśvara-yuṣṭa-dhiṣṇyaṁ

>yad dvai-parārdhyaṁ tad u pārameṣṭhyam

>TRANSLATION

>At the time of the final devastation of the complete universe [the end of the duration of Brahmā's life], a flame of fire emanates from the mouth of Ananta [from the bottom of the universe]. The yogī sees all the planets of the universe burning to ashes, and thus he leaves for Satyaloka by airplanes used by the great purified souls. The duration of life in Satyaloka is calculated to be 15,480,000,000,000 years.

As for your biased sophistry, I will not answer that anymore. You already got more than you deserve.


125044 No.505945

File: e4abcbd074efd1b⋯.jpg (38.03 KB, 500x500, 1:1, Smile!.jpg)

>>505942

>If you want to shed your ignorance, read any of the works by the authors I already mentioned. Vyasa, Valmiki and Maharishi Bharadwaja all compiled works that contain more than your ant brain can stomach, which is why you pull off this charade here.

Learn to cite sources. If you are referring to something in literature, don't simply link it but quote what you are referring to. It's obvious you have no experience with academic writing, else you'd not provide such a piss poor show here.

I will link you the "big book of fuck you" once I find it online. You can read in there all about why you're a fucktard. Your statements are not based on any actual data, you just shit your bias into this thread.


125044 No.505946

File: f402e8d25d7bbba⋯.jpg (178.08 KB, 1024x1041, 1024:1041, bling.jpg)

>>505942

>>505945

Oh, and forgot these:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology were copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabas only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is it true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


724466 No.505947

>>505704

(Not OP) I am leaning German, and would like some help from a Germanon. I have an interest in the life of civilians during and after the wars, WWI&II. Any good books on that? Of late, I was looking up ersatz foods, and saw mention of ersatz lamb chops made of rice, with a wood "bone", cooked with real lamb fat to give it the taste and smell. If you can find any detailed source for that it would be great.


9bb871 No.505948

>>505939

>You can't simply take Sanskrit and translate it word for word into the English equivalents

Sanskrit is an IE language dumb cuck.


abe2a8 No.505957

>>505945

I did quote and the text is referred to in the title of the quot as SB 2.2.26, that is Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 2 Book 2 Text 26 for you, you ignorant fuckwit. Now hang yourself before you lay eggs and spread your dumbfuckery into further generations.

>>505947

Check the PDF/Literature threads on this board, they have war stories from Germany from around that period. I also had a book of recipes that people used to cook back then, with a lot of "prepping" kind of foodstuffs. It's called the "Kriegskochbuch" (war cooking book) and contains all kinds of basic ingredient recipes.

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2012/02/28/kriegskochbuch/

It's in German, obviously, but since you are learning the language you will probably find it a good read and practice. I can recommend having an online dictionary and simply looking up word for word what you don't know.

Also try asking around in Spain (if you are from there), since Germany did send some troops to Spain during the civil war. Not many, but there was some fuckery going on. Maybe your grandparents remember part of what was going on there and had some "cultural exchange".

>>505948

Italy, go home. You're drunk. You have never in your whole life seen or read a Sanskrit text, nor can you read Devanagari, nor do you have any idea what the literature provides. You are pulling shit out of your ass. Just take the rope and make the world a better place.


125044 No.505960

File: 2b15b96595eb072⋯.jpg (36.25 KB, 300x518, 150:259, Judgement.jpg)

>>505957

Haha, you fucking pleb. Maybe you should apply for a college (well, bad idea nowadays, giving SJWs running rampart, probably converting you into some Antifa rioter based on your performance here) and learn how to research. If you got something to say, say it, cite or paraphrase a source and link it with all relevant info. You can't link books and say READ. If I did that, your internet connection would literally break down because of the masses of literature you need to read.

But if you want to play smart, then answer these question. And cite primary sources for your answer:

Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505962

File: 7f9da9f79e8cccf⋯.jpg (178.97 KB, 870x703, 870:703, Daedra.jpg)

>>505960

The Daedra have left a message for you.


724466 No.505964

File: 3a587b97dd3ec57⋯.jpg (507.27 KB, 1240x1736, 5:7, 04.jpg)

>>505957

> Maybe your grandparents remember part of what was going on there and had some "cultural exchange".

Funny you mention that. Both my grampas died before and shortly after I was born, the one who did died before I was born died after his wife and fought with the Wehrmacht. He came back speaking Russian, not German.

The Spanish volunteers fought in the Eastern front and were regarded as untidy but great at fighting.


125044 No.505967

File: b6882bdf02e5b96⋯.png (13.02 KB, 403x68, 403:68, válaszom.png)

>>505962

Here's my answer. And you might as well answer these:

>Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505972

>>505964

Yeah, at the end of the war a great many divisions found themselves on the Eastern front. They opened up SS Divisions all over the world, in Bosnia (Handschar), Turkey (Osttürkische Waffen-SS), Arabia (Division Freies Arabien), India (Division Freies Indien) and other places. They even declared some of them as Ehrenarier (honorary aryans), lol.

There's some good literature in German you can read, such as Nietzsche, but he's really intense. Even many German people don't grasp his expressions lol. Maybe Clausewitz could be for you. Or the world war autobiographies I saw in the /k/ literature threads. Of course there is also plenty of NS literature you can easily get, simply search for a list of forbidden literature in Germany and you have practically a list of important NS works, haha.

>>505967

Last one, seriously now, then I'll put your ID on the ignore list. In science you don't "believe" things. You do research, that means you either empirically work on experiments or historically read texts to gather information and test assumptions. If the findings of your work hold up your working hypothesis, then you can proceed and share it with others, given that you did the effort to check for methodological mistakes carefully. If other people do the same work and come up with the same conclusions that hypothesis becomes accepted as a theory, at least "in theory". Practically scientific work is tainted by financial gain, reputation, status, ego and ideological imperatives. Depending on the field that can have excessive results on the established viewpoints and not rarely do doctors who work in the field of cancer therapy die under mysterious circumstances or other engineers and scientists get censored when trying to publish their findings. The industry is protecting their investments by any means necessary. Stating that is illegal is no counter argument, when dealing with billions in profits and global reputation, there is ample motive to order a few murders here and there to shut down competitors and critics.

Whatever question you ask, I already gave you the answer. You have plenty of authors and their works you can look into. You are the one not knowing about these things, I have nothing to prove or explain to you. You are the lacking one. You do not pay me, so you don't get my work and time. If you want to know about these things, I have left more than enough references for you to research. If you don't care about them, you are not motivated to advance your understanding of the matter and thus not worth my time. Goodbye.


125044 No.505973

File: ffa230c4a029d43⋯.jpg (98.93 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, sukasuka_mutlipurpose_reac….jpg)

>>505972

>not rarely do doctors who work in the field of cancer therapy die under mysterious circumstances or other engineers and scientists get censored when trying to publish their findings

[citation needed]

>You have plenty of authors and their works you can look into.

Haha, you fucking pleb. Maybe you should apply for a college (well, bad idea nowadays, giving SJWs running rampart, probably converting you into some Antifa rioter based on your performance here) and learn how to research. If you got something to say, say it, cite or paraphrase a source and link it with all relevant info. You can't link books and say READ. If I did that, your internet connection would literally break down because of the masses of literature you need to read.

And no, you don't have the balls to answer any of these questions, because then you'd have to face your own sophistry:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505976

>>505967

Your answer…

Anyád se szeret. de a helyedben én inekább

megpró(?)blnek azokra a kibaszott kerdésekre

válaszoni, te szofista vadbamom.

Interesting to see that this ironically originally Turkish runic script is written from the right to the left, like the Arabic abjad. I can make out "answer" in the last line and that you call me a sophist, which is interesting, since a sophist and sophistry are two distinct concepts in modern usage. But then again, I didn't expect you to know that. Google translator says:

Your mother does not like either. But in your place I prefer

To try those fucking crap

Reply, you sundial wild boar.

From this day on I shall carry the name of "sundial wild boar", as given by my Hungarian brother, Mr. Dimwit.


abe2a8 No.505978

File: e0659af799f9bfa⋯.jpg (35.2 KB, 582x102, 97:17, Prophecy of Sundial, Wild ….jpg)

Btw, cudos to you that a majority of your contribution has to be stolen from my very own statements. Even though shitposting, I still accept your compliment.


267b77 No.505980

File: da9e64cedaab00a⋯.png (63.64 KB, 219x252, 73:84, 7a755b5bca8b05598be10f43a0….png)

Holy shit, it's the clash of the autists in here


125044 No.505981

File: 18e15386028943e⋯.png (25.49 KB, 759x551, 759:551, resbond.png)

>>505976

It's quite something, you keep replying to me even though you first said you'll stop that, and later you've said you will filter my ID. Yet here we are again. You do everything you can to make me speak about something else, so that you can avoid answering these questions:

>Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

>>505980

You might as well consider this thread dead.


abe2a8 No.505982

>>505981

I gave you the courtesy of replying to your other narrative and you sparked my interest with the runic phrase. But now is enough, you are right. Farewell, Hungary bro.


125044 No.505984

File: ea6450642045549⋯.png (1.38 MB, 1536x2048, 3:4, ayy_cant.png)

>>505982

But before you go you should answer a few questions:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505986

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>505984

>Do you honestly believe? Is this true or not? Answer with a simple yes or no!

Go offline, (((Larry))), you're drunk.


125044 No.505987

File: da222196c35cd83⋯.jpg (32.49 KB, 268x381, 268:381, ayyyncients.jpg)

>>505986

So…

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


abe2a8 No.505988

>>505984

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


1653f2 No.505989

>>505898

>Northern Europe has always been more strict, organized and harder working than southern Europe

Yeah, those things kinda take a hit when the Ottomans are constantly on your doorstep. The least you could give us is a "thanks", snownigger.


125044 No.505991

File: 9952f66d58f5564⋯.jpg (18.13 KB, 592x448, 37:28, hold_me_back.jpg)

>>505988

I threw your own words at you to show you that you demand standards from others you yourself don't adhere to. Instead of trying and failing at being a cheeky cunt, you should answer these questions, ayy boyo:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and


abe2a8 No.505997

>>505991

I threw your own words at you to show you that you demand standards from others you yourself don't adhere to. Instead of trying and failing at being a cheeky cunt, you should answer these questions, ayy boyo:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and


125044 No.506023

File: f0b120c1371b47e⋯.jpg (134.82 KB, 1280x896, 10:7, Medieval city by Schinkel.jpg)

>>505997

Your childish behaviour betrays your weakness and cowardice. You want to have the last word, even if those words are not yours, for you know that answering these few simple questions would mean committing suicide by words. And yet these questions just won't go away, and you must react somehow. Even if your reactions lost all meaning, you must keep replying to me without giving an answer. So answer me:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!


50ff16 No.506024

>>505989

>on your doorstep

I'd wish.


18107c No.506028

File: 3d95e9da450eb19⋯.png (91.41 KB, 364x254, 182:127, 68eb92faf2d631d79eef3a0f4a….png)

This thread makes me miss spergkraut and spergviet.


815011 No.506030

>>506028

Hungarianon is the hero /k/ deserves.


c6e80d No.506031

>>506028

>not liking Hunganeurysm


c05104 No.506042

File: e8dd413cf7c2546⋯.png (600.49 KB, 489x370, 489:370, this twisted game needs to….png)

File: bbe6565a3095c09⋯.mp4 (7.21 MB, 478x360, 239:180, Ace Combat Zero.mp4)


48ccbf No.506057

>>506028

>missing fake german and his fursona fake VC


3acbe3 No.506075

>>506028

I never thought I'd say this, but I want them back. May they rest easy in Valhalla.


abe2a8 No.506105

File: 0d95906c875b428⋯.jpg (43.9 KB, 537x475, 537:475, bd80683dfd07fb49530dcc0f5a….jpg)

>>506023

>Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

Wrong question. What I said is that advanced medicine was already instructed to people in India, remnants of that knowledge made their way to Arabia and Greece, from there the European cultures developed (very slowly) to the modern point we are at. The source and a much more sophisticated level is to be located in India and the ultimate origin lies beyond this planet. So ultimately, no human civilization developed "on its own".

"Our" modern medicine is slowly catching up to the fact that plants carry very useful therapeutic compounds which they produce. Plants are pretty much biological factories and have been genetically designed to produce their respective compounds. Studies into turmeric (main compound of curry), ginger and many other plants from India and worldwide have shown their value in medical application, often by far surpassing conventional treatments. The core problem lies within the socially imprinted notion of plants being "just plants", born out of the idea that they are almost all useless or simply decorative, due to them being used that way in our society. Thus the individual, be he a regular person or doctor, fails to understand the origin, nature and use of plants and plant compounds for medical and other applications.

Many things our modern medicine fails to reliably apply are already practiced in India for millennia. Get literature on Ayurveda if you are interested in this.

>Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

You again ask the wrong question. You fail to address that all kind of scientific and other endeavor is based on the experience of many people, which develops over time. It would be a shame if it didn't. That is not the relevant point though, as these ideas and results have been known earlier and they then got either forgotten or weren't understood anymore. And then it took hundreds of years to find out about it later by means of empirical science. You can't claim a "first" for something that has been around thousands of years ago already.

Also pic related.

>The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

The Greek copied the Arabs and both copied the Persians, who copied the Indians, who got instructed directly. Same goes for the Chinese, they have very interesting literature on these matters. The advances you can consider advancements are all happening in the past decades, maybe a century. And they are international efforts. As I said, if you had ever read any clinical research paper you'd know who's doing what work where. So no, it is not true the way you put it. You'll find a lot of Chinese doctors i.e. practicing in the US as well, I'd not consider them Western though.

>North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

Scientific questions are not to be answered in such a manner. You have to define what you see as Muslim, because there are strong disagreements even between Muslims whether the Maghreb region is practicing Islam or not. I already told you they stick with their own culture or Berber/Tuareg kind, they're mostly defined by national identity, not religious and they even practice things that are openly against Islam, such as drinking (date wine and shit) or magical amulets, which IIRC carries the death penalty in most Islamic countries.

Originally the region was indigenous, then Augustinus tried to Christianize the area, then it came under Arabic influence, later under Ottoman influence, then for the past 200 years that faded due to colonialism and Western influence. To this very day many of these ethnicities still have their culture and own language, they were never assimilated into any of these rulers.

That's it for today, I hope some of the readers of this thread will find something of interest. There's plenty of references one should check: https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-mention-of-scientific-discoveries-in-the-Indian-epics-like-Ramayana-Mahabharta/answer/Shyam-Kaushik-1

Keep in mind the severability of such tertiary sources.Even if one or more claims turn out to be wrong, that does not affect the others.


abe2a8 No.506108

Similar cases from China:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sovereigns_and_Five_Emperors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shennong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuxi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCwa

And Japan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izanagi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izanami-no-Mikoto

And Mesopotamia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninhursag

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apkallu

The same can be found in India and later on in China and medieval European literature:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saptarishi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sages

The Indian Seven Sages however differ, there is a group of seven teachers that appear at each 14th of a Kalpa. The constellation of the seven sages however goes back to the original seven sages that were at the beginning of creation of this universe, when Brahma fashioned all things inside the Brahmanda. The seven rishis were one of the first beings that came into existence and are at the origin of practically all teaching in this universe. Apparently, for that reason each culture in later times imitated this kind of role.


abe2a8 No.506110

File: bb111b5b700f1cd⋯.jpg (109.89 KB, 410x600, 41:60, huelladioses20072.jpg)

>>506023

Let me give you a counter question though:

How come African tribes, often living in extreme isolation, without writing or sciences, sometimes even without numbers or any mathematical capacities known to Western scholars, employed patterns like pic related in many aspects of their lives (clothing, art, architecture)?

Fractals were only discovered and understood much later by the West and many of the villages that are ordered in fractal patterns were thought to be completely random and unorganized until they were observed from the air.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oAJLMCkSJQc/V4XCrnZPzqI/AAAAAAAAGd0/KCp-QAYQeAo30E5S0rqV-oFAKHgAveQhACLcB/s640/ba-ila-africa-fractal-design-of-the-village.jpg

Now you can go ahead and play your racial/cultural superiority game and make the contradictory claim that, according to your criteria, the absolutely most primitive and backwards ass jungle nigger figured out, without having any means to do so, how to arrange his huts in patterns of utmost complexity and symmetry which wasn't even established in the "academic" West.

I however will stick with the more plausible explanation that people were simply taught certain "features" of civilization which they in consequence held sacred and employed in their lives. Especially when it comes to things that are only visible from the air, with Africa not being the only example of such structures.

The Nazca mountains were practically "cut off" and flattened, a work that even today is a massive effort of epic proportions. Afterwards, lines and strips were created on top of these, which are identical to modern runways for planes. The various figures in the area can only be seen from the air, too. Coincidentally, the area harbors rich amounts of uranium, gold and other materials a technologically advanced civilization might desire.

In fact, the whole South of the African continent is literally plastered with ancient village sites and mines, apparently for gold. Going by Western historians, these all fall in the "prehistoric" period, which becomes irrelevant when one considers that human progress did not go from 0-today, but was "stimulated" over the course of history and had ups and downs. 100.000 year old bone findings and other curiosities contradict the established narrative on many points.

The only way to argue around these anomalies is to ignore them all (thousands of them!) and stick blindly with your established viewpoint that uses patching in all areas and doesn't survive any questioning. You should attend a university where they teach oriental studies and ask a Professor of Egyptology how they did this or why that building exists. If you push a little or follow the lessons carefully, you will eventually drown in statements alike to "we have no idea why/how they did this, there's no real explanation".

Because that's what is the ultimate result if you manipulate data in such a massive scale, making up explanations as you go that finally lead nowhere and you have to preserve one lie/excuse with another. Meanwhile thousands of contradictory findings are waiting to be considered as well. And these can be found all over the world.


93f134 No.506196

>>505650

One half was a somewhat corrupt/cartel run NATO puppet-state and the other half was by far the most stylish communist dictatorship albeit one with the silliest-looking but very effective helmets of all time. Both sides were going to be sacrificed militarily and turned into wastelands if an actual war went down and the leaders in both nations were well aware of it (probably had plans to fuck off if it happened too).


93f134 No.506199

>>505725

>Another interesting thing are the NATO stay behind agents. Read up on "Operation Gladio" and it's non-Italian counterparts. Basically: specially trained personell would remain in the cities "overrun" by the soviet advance, concealed as civilians. After the soviet troops had advanced past them, they would come out of hiding and cause either chaos by destroying infrastructure, killing high ranking officers in the rear lines, or gather information/smuggle other agents around. During one NATO training mission they managed to smuggle two operatives from northern Norway to Sicily, without any NATO troops or law enforcement noticing. It is really interesting, and I would like to GM an RPG session where the players are Gladio operatives.

It also led to a lot of right-wing terrorism in parts of Europe since you've inherently got poor documentation of arms caches and people with extremely anti-leftist views not on easily-accessed watchlists. Arguably some degree of that terrorism was government-supported.


abe2a8 No.506200

>>506199

Would be a bummer if those evil fascists/nazis that justified so much government action would suddenly disappear with the fall of the Third Reich, eh? ;)


93f134 No.506201

>>506200

Of course anon someone had to respond to the Commies doing things like blowing shit up in Italy and if that response just happens to also justify certain new legislation then so be it. Then again you do get legitimate cases like the mess that was Turkish right-wing terrorism which is just the result of hiring crazy people to be anti-communist and giving them guns and a lack of oversight.


80f76d No.506202

>spergkraut redditor will make it to (100)

can't wait


abe2a8 No.506203

>>506201

True dat. Glad to see some people remain that are capable of differentiating such matters.


b81f83 No.506343

File: cb220b98f96108a⋯.mp4 (7.88 MB, 320x240, 4:3, gaddafi_playing_prophet.mp4)

File: 46d1aeb12bc44d3⋯.gif (38.38 KB, 500x455, 100:91, IQ by countries.gif)

File: dd7d6bf8c98c0a2⋯.png (424.87 KB, 1317x1652, 1317:1652, iq_skin_tone.png)

File: 3c26a7a6f4ca617⋯.jpg (38.87 KB, 791x520, 791:520, iq blacks-whites.jpg)

>>506202

It looks like I must give him a helping hand.

>>506105

Let's see:

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

>You again ask the wrong question.

No, I don't. You just don't want to accept this simple truth, therefore you come up with retarded excuses.

>You fail to address that all kind of scientific and other endeavor is based on the experience of many people, which develops over time.

Actually that is my main point here. That whole "the result of centuries of Western development" is about this. Because you need geniuses and legions of intelligent people for such developments. Arabs didn't have those, therefore they just sat on the knowledge robbed from others.

>You can't claim a "first" for something that has been around thousands of years ago already.

That's bullshit. There were no modern hospitals with all the bells and whistles in India. What it had (and still has) is people bathing in rivers full of rotting corpses. Clearly, those ayys failed to teach them basic hygiene. By the way, India is the perfect example of what happens with a high culture/civilization once miscegenation brings down the mental capabilities of the population: from the land of Buddhism they regressed into the land of designated shitting streets.

All in all, you've failed to answer this question.

<>The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

>The Greek copied the Arabs

That's bullshit.

>both copied the Persians

At least this is true.

>who copied the Indians, who got instructed directly

[citation needed]

>The advances you can consider advancements are all happening in the past decades, maybe a century.

So Western medicine didn't advance for centuries? Didn't it became better over time?

>And they are international efforts.

Darwin, Pasteur, van Leeuwenhoek. Just some random Western people. It was international in that sense, but those people are still from the the Western high culture.

>You'll find a lot of Chinese doctors

Do they practice ancient Chinese medicine or modern Western medicine? Besides, it's already established in the circles I frequent that East Asians have an even higher average IQ than Europeans, therefore they have no problem with Western science. Yet for some reason you didn't speak about legions of doctors from Afghanistan and Niger. Why is that?

And again, instead of just answering the question you come up with excuses to avoid giving a clear answer.

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

>Scientific questions are not to be answered in such a manner.

If I asked you if gravity exists, you'd tell me that scientific questions are not to be answered in such a manner, and I should read Sanskrit texts that already discovered gravity, because they mention that some fruit once fell down from a tree.

>because there are strong disagreements even between Muslims whether the Maghreb region is practicing Islam or not

They are strong disagreement between various Christian groups too. I could say that Catholics aren't Christian, therefore the Crusades have nothing to do with Christianity. Or I could claim the Anglican church isn't Christian, therefore the British Empire had nothing to do with Christianity. I could come up with many excuses. Do they worship Allah? Do they read the Koran? Do they look at Muhammad as a prophet?

>they stick with their own culture or Berber/Tuareg kind, they're mostly defined by national identity, not religious

Yeah, that's why the Muslim Brotherhood, a pan-Arab organization originates from Egypt… But let me guess, next you will tell me that there is a Sanskrit text that says Egypt isn't in the Maghreb. And that Gaddafi had nothing to do with Islam either.

>To this very day many of these ethnicities still have their culture and own language, they were never assimilated into any of these rulers.

All these berbergs and whatnot are just weird minorities compared to the actual masses of people living there.

And yet again, a simple question but no answer.


b81f83 No.506345

File: 5a8a204f8feab8f⋯.gif (11.56 KB, 682x647, 682:647, African_village_Ba-Ila.gif)

File: e1c189bb474a21e⋯.jpg (32.09 KB, 500x439, 500:439, Charlottenburg_1780.jpg)

File: 82e02879c78ea9d⋯.jpg (34.01 KB, 400x246, 200:123, CharlottenburgBanat2.jpg)

File: 80462e827dc1245⋯.webm (4.37 MB, 640x360, 16:9, africans mirror test.webm)

>>506110

>WE WUZ FRACTALZ'N'SHIIIEEET

Those patterns are extremely simple. They all just straight lead to the gate of the village. You can even see the small roads in that photo. And then those buildings just repeat this pattern, all leading to the main gate. I seriously doubt it's some ayyncient technology. Instead I think it means the residents of those village live most of their lives outside of the village, so they need a way to quickly get in and get out. They don't trade with their neighbourhoods, because they have nothing to trade. They only need one gate, because they don't tilt the lands around their village, for they don't have to. All they need is a fence and a big empty space for their festival. Now look at this, and tell me how these villagers in 1771 were instructed by aliums to build their village in a circle: https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg_%28Rom%C3%A1nia%29

>The Nazca mountains

Are in a plateau in Peru, in South America. That's certainly not Africa.

>You should attend a university where they teach oriental studies and ask a Professor of Egyptology how they did this or why that building exists. If you push a little or follow the lessons carefully, you will eventually drown in statements alike to "we have no idea why/how they did this, there's no real explanation".

And yet Spengler gave perfectly good explanations for all the curiosities of Egyptian architecture. You don't even need a translation, go and read Der Untergang des Abendlandes. I'm not even kidding here, you should start it today, because after a few hundred pages it will make sense.

>Because that's what is the ultimate result if you manipulate data in such a massive scale

Indeed, but you have no idea about the true nature of this manipulation. Again, read Der Untergang des Abendlandes from Spengler.

Now instead of trying to convince me that importing Africans into Europe is fine, because they build extremely primitive villages you should answer me these question:

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

At least you've answered this one:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

Yes, you indeed believe that. Yet you honestly need citations about how people from Africa and the Middle East have a significantly lower average IQ, and how it affects their ability to build and maintain stable and prosperous societies.


abe2a8 No.506352

File: 550632c844885cb⋯.jpg (105.35 KB, 520x406, 260:203, AAEAAQAAAAAAAASKAAAAJGVmOW….jpg)

>>506343

>"simple truth"

You don't even work within the framework of science, but in that of ideology. There is no truth in science, truth itself is a religiously defined concept, needed to justify absolute authority. We however can't define absolute values, be they truth, infinity or "God". That's why arguing with such values is fallacious. If we can't apply empiricism to a question, we must declare that we can't observe and thus analyze and thus conclude anything reliable. Any projection and association of results made elsewhere that appear to be similar to those in question must be subject to careful reflection.

>Because you need geniuses and legions of intelligent people for such developments.

No you don't. Science has very few people who actually advance it, you even get to know their names half of the time, depending on how deep they are affiliated with classified government programs.

>Arabs didn't have those, therefore they just sat on the knowledge robbed from others.

Bullshit, Indian and Chinese intellectual property was spread throughout the world by means of trade more than acts of war. This just shows how fucking uneducated you are, since the Mughal empire in India did not tolerate indigenous practices. If they robbed everything, they would have adapted everything, but they did not.

You simply try to wrap your hatred for Arabs into a pseudo-scientific garment here. Everything beyond the Western propaganda machine is unknown to you and thus does not exist or can not be to you. Your a sad victim and slave to propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists

There is plenty of scientific literature in Arabic from all centuries. They were very engaged scholars on many fields with a high level of sophistication. You have no fucking clue what you are blabbering on about here, kiddo.

>miscegenation

>from the land of Buddhism they regressed into the land of designated shitting streets.

Hahahaha this is ridiculous, I can't take you serious anymore. India is home to over 1.000.000.000 people, it is, similar to the US or Russia, not even a real country, as it comprises of several rather independent states or districts that govern itself. It has lived through British and Muslim rulership, which have tried to conquer it culturally and economically just as much as militarily. If you want to talk about a decline in cultural values, look there. Look at the interactions with the global trade and monetary associations, led by US influence. What a joke to put such macro-economical developments on race.

Also Buddhism didn't come from India, but from Nepal. And in fact Siddhartha Gautama was not even human. He lived on the planet of Tushita under the name of Shvetaketu (white banner) before he was asked to reincarnate on Earth. His birth was foreseen by a vision of his mother who was artificially inseminated and his physiology was being described in detail, to predict what he would look like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shvetaketu

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tushita

You can ask any medical student if those characteristics describe a human, they will deny that. Once again, the origin of the achievement ("Buddhism") lies not with humans.

>The Greek copied the Arabs

>That's bullshit.

Except it's not. You don't have to call them Arabs, but everything from Egypt to Afghanistan was populated before the Greek made their development. And knowledge traveled West.

http://philipcoppens.com/egyptgreece.html

Interestingly, the tribes of Israel spread throughout the world as well, introducing their culture into all kinds of places, such as Japan: http://www.biblemysteries.com/library/tribesjapan.htm

Or America, see the Mormons.


abe2a8 No.506353

File: d89c110f692d7f9⋯.jpg (184.3 KB, 969x570, 17:10, paint25.jpg)

>[citation needed]

Hugger, you already have enough quotes and links to open a library.

>So Western medicine didn't advance for centuries? Didn't it became better over time?

Thanks for proving you never read historical medical literature, nor secondary literature on the matter. The Romans in their peak had good doctors, bathing houses, etc. that they implemented all over the Imperium Romanum, with the split and downfall of it much of that declined however. "Barbarians" (in Europe mostly white people) and Christianity destroyed the cultural advance that the Romans had brought and the so called "dark ages" set in. You see, scientific and cultural advancement isn't just intellectual, it also has to be maintained economically. If you ruin a country economically, they lose infrastructure, health systems, schools, etc. as well. This is as true today as it was 2000 years ago. Whether the CIA fucks up countries in South America or the tribes of Europe raid Roman settlements, both have the same effect.

I already urged you to pick up monastery medical almanacs from the time in question. Read what they were practicing to heal ailments. And then compare with Arabic manuals for medicine.

>Darwin, Pasteur, van Leeuwenhoek. Just some random Western people. It was international in that sense, but those people are still from the the Western high culture.

Since that is the only thing you ever learned about. You can't claim to be right if you are working off conjecture (leaving out 80% of the world). If I only look at Berlin and check what historical scientists lived there, then it seems that all the advances have been made. But because I haven't looked elsewhere, not because there exist none beyond Berlin.

You should keep out an eye for Western scientists referring to Sanskrit literature btw. Just saying.

>Do they practice ancient Chinese medicine or modern Western medicine?

Why do you ask me that? Are you not familiar with medical disciplines? Have you not checked these matters yourself? Are you going off speculation again? YOU are the one making the claims about race and culture, you should have done the work to establish these first before making those claims. It's obvious you haven't done anything than copy shit off the net and project your inferiority complex onto cultures you don't even understand.

>Besides, it's already established in the circles I frequent that East Asians have an even higher average IQ than Europeans, therefore they have no problem with Western science.

MOVING GOAL POSTS, ACHIEVED.

>Yet for some reason you didn't speak about legions of doctors from Afghanistan and Niger. Why is that?

Because these people tend to be isolationist and in a state of disrepair. Meanwhile, 25% of blacks at universities in the US are Nigerians. It all comes down to family values, statistically speaking. Race is only a correlation in some cases, it does not cause people to become doctors or not. You misidentify the actual causes for these processes.

Also, Afghanistan does not exist in that sense. There's about 50 languages spoken in the country by even more ethnic groups, who mostly live among the mountains, either nomadic or with agriculture. There is no unity among that, with most modern people living in Kabul. Per definitionem a nation state must have a people and territory. Both are highly questionable in the case of Afghanistan.

Which you could have known, if you were actually educated on the matter.

>If I asked you if gravity exists, you'd tell me that scientific questions are not to be answered in such a manner, and I should read Sanskrit texts that already discovered gravity, because they mention that some fruit once fell down from a tree.

1. Speculation, since you never read any Sanskrit literature

2. I would tell you that we can observe gravity, that is measure and based off that establish working models and theories to predict it. Every scientists worth anything will tell you we don't understand gravity, that is WHY or HOW it actually exists and works.


abe2a8 No.506355

File: 1b0f0743bfcf188⋯.jpg (535.68 KB, 880x1197, 880:1197, 8131b001f2d4136cf9ef8f23a3….jpg)

>I could say that Catholics aren't Christian, therefore the Crusades have nothing to do with Christianity

No you couldn't, because the Clerus and Catechism largely influenced Christianity FIRST. I hope you know that a great many of ideological foundations of Christianity have been entirely made up by the Vatican and have no source whatsoever in the scripture. You would be twisting the timeline (again) and claiming the originators of a religion are not the true ones, but those who came later. It was Protestants who wanted trade benefits that later on distanced themselves slightly from the power influence of Catholicism and were thereupon branded as heretics and shit.

Cross that, of course you could make another stupid claim like that. What was I thinking.

>I could come up with many excuses.

Yes you do. First and foremost for your absolute lack of education on matters you speak about.

>Do they look at Muhammad as a prophet?

They see Yoshua as a prophet as well, though he didn't even exist (nor did Muhammad probably).

>And that Gaddafi had nothing to do with Islam either.

Gaddafi actually wrote a book, it's called the Green Book. In this ideological pamphlet of three sections he explains the idea of the Jamahiriya, an islamic form of national socialism with the goal to unite the Libyan tribes into a nation and to protect against international financial groups that want to ruin and profit of countries. If you look at the economic development of Lybia, you'll find that for decades it surpasses that of the EU and even the US. And then somehow, magically, that old fuck was killed by rebels. Woop-dee-doo.

>All these berbergs and whatnot are just weird minorities compared to the actual masses of people living there.

Yeah, no. Just no. Just stop already. Please.

"Regions with significant populations

Greater Maghreb :

Algeria 40,400,000[1]

Morocco 35,968,361[2]

Tunisia 10,982,754[3]

Europe ~10 million[4][5][6]

Libya 6,244,174[7]

Mauritania 3,537,368[8]

Canada (mostly Quebec) 141,660[9]"

"Physical anthropology[edit]

North-Africans are defined as Mediterraneans with moderate Alpinid and Nordic elements.[24] A significant proportion of the Rif Berbers, Kabyles and Chouias have blue or green eyes."

https://borderlandlevant.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/north-africa-ethnic-map.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_of_Africa#North_Africa_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebis

And finally:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maghrebis#Admixture_analysis

Oh shit hugger, you just got fucking #rekt.

"Average ancestry proportions in North African populations estimated by ADMIXTURE for k = 4 different ancestries (October 2012)"

Turns out the people there are more European than Arabic, but predominantly Maghrebi. How does that feel to be so fucking wrong on any matter you try to propagandize?


abe2a8 No.506356

File: 66e0f02bbecf6ac⋯.jpg (35 KB, 352x562, 176:281, kalu_rinpoche.jpg)

>Those patterns are extremely simple.

>I seriously doubt

>Instead I think it means

You really put a lot of research into this, didn't you? Just pulling shit out off your ass when a finding does not fit your predetermined explanations? Are you retarded or can you truly not differentiate circle/star patterns from fractals? You are aware what a fractal is, aren't you? That it has a symmetric repetition of shape with variation in size, yes? There is no variation in size in your examples. The very core feature of a fractal is that it keeps its symmetry when expanding and changing sizes.

Kid, do your fucking homework. You are boring the shit out of me.

>Are in a plateau in Peru, in South America. That's certainly not Africa.

Captain Obvious strikes again, thanks for ignoring the point I made. All cultures on earth were influenced externally, there's tons of evidence for that.

>And yet Spengler gave perfectly good explanations for all the curiosities of Egyptian architecture. You don't even need a translation, go and read Der Untergang des Abendlandes. I'm not even kidding here, you should start it today, because after a few hundred pages it will make sense.

Then quote me his explanation.

>Indeed, but you have no idea about the true nature of this manipulation. Again, read Der Untergang des Abendlandes from Spengler.

"I read a book, I am enlightened!" QUOTE, Hugger.

>Yes, you indeed believe that.

I don't believe anything, I research questions and present my findings. Learn to science, hugger.


b81f83 No.506358

File: 2565a22b5826c0a⋯.jpg (86.37 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, haifuri_artillery_despair_….jpg)

>>506352

>You don't even work within the framework of science, but in that of ideology. There is no truth in science, truth itself is a religiously defined concept, needed to justify absolute authority. We however can't define absolute values, be they truth, infinity or "God". That's why arguing with such values is fallacious. If we can't apply empiricism to a question, we must declare that we can't observe and thus analyze and thus conclude anything reliable. Any projection and association of results made elsewhere that appear to be similar to those in question must be subject to careful reflection.

>And in fact Siddhartha Gautama was not even human. He lived on the planet of Tushita under the name of Shvetaketu (white banner) before he was asked to reincarnate on Earth.

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE

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At this point I must conclude that you are insane. How else could you speak about empiricism, then tell me that Buddha wasn't even a real human bean, because centuries after his death they wrote a list of inhuman features that he allegedly had?


b81f83 No.506360

File: 0cd37e711bee962⋯.png (193.81 KB, 1251x585, 139:65, irish_monk_vs_fedoras.png)

File: 24b84a236447dff⋯.jpg (41.92 KB, 689x344, 689:344, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Nu….jpg)

File: 36aad291fc1e975⋯.jpg (121.89 KB, 960x638, 480:319, japanese_and_christ.jpg)

>>506352

>No you don't. Science has very few people who actually advance it, you even get to know their names half of the time, depending on how deep they are affiliated with classified government programs.

So medieval scientists were all affiliated with "classified government programs" in their monasteries? Do you even have a functioning mind that you can seriously come up with such bullshit?

>There is plenty of scientific literature in Arabic from all centuries.

Again, I asked if Arabic medical science stagnated or not.

>since the Mughal empire in India did not tolerate indigenous practices

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughal_Empire

>The Mughal Empire (Urdu: ‎, translit. Mughliyah Salṭanat)[6] or Mogul Empire,[7] self-designated as Gurkani (Persian: ‎‎, Gūrkāniyān, meaning "son-in-law"),[8] was an empire in the Indian subcontinent, established and ruled by a Muslim Turco-Mongol dynasty of Chagatai origin from Central Asia.

>Except it's not. You don't have to call them Arabs, but everything from Egypt to Afghanistan was populated before the Greek made their development. And knowledge traveled West.

WE WUZ AL-PHARAONS'N'ALOHA SNACKBAR! No, Egyptians and Mesopotamians weren't Arabs. True what is true, Mesopotamia was later dominated by Semitic peoples, but they weren't Arabs either.

>Interestingly, the tribes of Israel spread throughout the world as well, introducing their culture into all kinds of places, such as Japan:

You are fucking lying. It's a scientifically-empirically established fact that Jesus was Japanese. Why you ask? Because this text on my third pic says so.


b81f83 No.506361

>>506353

>dark ages

Using that term is the final proof of your complete lack of understanding. Those so-called dark ages were indeed the result of the fall of the Roman Empire. But no, Romans didn't have a stash of secret technologies. And tell me, is modern medical science superior to anything Romans had, or not?

>I already urged you to pick up monastery medical almanacs from the time in question.

And I urge you to get a traditional Arabic brain surgery. We can't establish if it's better or worse than modern practices after all.

>But because I haven't looked elsewhere, not because there exist none beyond Berlin.

Show me those non-Western scientists who independently created the bedrock of modern microbiology then.

>Why do you ask me that? Are you not familiar with medical disciplines? Have you not c[…]

You are indeed a master of sophistry. I want you to admit that serious and reputable Chinese scientists don't practice traditional Chinese medicine as their main profession, and yet you accuse me with not doing my research here.

>Race is only a correlation in some cases, it does not cause people to become doctors or not. You misidentify the actual causes for these processes.

Give me a better explanation to these globally observable patterns then. I have this: lower IQ due to biological reasons→worse day-to-day practices in family life among other things→worse societies.

>Per definitionem a nation state must have a people and territory. Both are highly questionable in the case of Afghanistan.

And you dare to accuse me with anything… Why isn't Kabul famous for its doctors?

>I would tell you that we can observe gravity, that is measure and based off that establish working models and theories to predict it

Tell me the how we can measure the godhood of Buddha!


b81f83 No.506364

>>506355

>I hope you know that a great many of ideological foundations of Christianity have been entirely made up by the Vatican and have no source whatsoever in the scripture.

You've said that North Africa isn't Moslem because some people there incorporated non-Moslem elements into their faith. By the same metric I could claim that only protestants are real Christians, because many practices of the Catholic Church have pagan origins.

>They see Yoshua as a prophet as well, though he didn't even exist (nor did Muhammad probably).

I asked three question:

>Do they worship Allah?

>Do they read the Koran?

>Do they look at Muhammad as a prophet?

Answer all three of them, and then tell me if North Africa is Moslem or not.

>Gaddafi actually wrote a book, it's called the Green Book. In this ideological pamphlet of three sections he explains the idea of the Jamahiriya, an islamic form of national socialism

I've asked you if North Africa is Moslem or not, and now you yourself gave me evidence that an important North African leader wrote a book that promoted a Moslem belief system. So tell me, is North Africa Moslem or not?

>Oh shit hugger, you just got fucking #rekt.

How so? I've asked you if North Africa was Moslem or not. And now honestly want to tell me that all people in Algeria and Morocco live as nomads and practice a non-Moslem faith?

Also, most of that European admixture is due to centuries of slave raids:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_raiding


b81f83 No.506366

File: b9494b3a67088ec⋯.webm (1.04 MB, 1414x488, 707:244, 3quadrillionkeks.webm)

>>506356

>You really put a lot of research into this, didn't you

No, I'm just not a retard who believes in ayyncient knowledge give to sub-Saharan Africans.

>That it has a symmetric repetition of shape with variation in size, yes?

Yes, and? Wow, dey keep repeating the same pattern with variations in size, dey be smart! I bet the ayys taught this amoeba how to do this trick too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKuFREOgmo

https://www.wired.com/2010/01/slime-mold-grows-network-just-like-tokyo-rail-system/

>Then quote me his explanation.

>"I read a book, I am enlightened!" QUOTE, Hugger.

>>505972

>Whatever question you ask, I already gave you the answer. You have plenty of authors and their works you can look into.

So you want me to quote hundreds of pages of text, but you refuse to do the same thing for me?

>I don't believe anything, I research questions and present my findings. Learn to science, hugger.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So, how do you scientifically replicate the godhood of Buddha?


b81f83 No.506367

File: c1be90c959d0a9b⋯.jpg (72.39 KB, 832x960, 13:15, Africa's true size.jpg)

>>506345

Despite all this text we are back here:

<Was modern bacteriology copied from some ancient devas or ayy lmaos or whatever, and aren't the result of centuries of Western development?

<The Arabs only copied Persian and ancient Greek practices without making any significant progress on their own. So Arab medicine stagnated for all that time, meanwhile Western medicine became better. Is this true or not?

And the most important one:

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

At least you've answered this one:

<Do you honestly believe that modern medicine came from ancient Indian ayy lmaos?

>Yes, you indeed believe that. Yet you honestly need citations about how people from Africa and the Middle East have a significantly lower average IQ, and how it affects their ability to build and maintain stable and prosperous societies.


abe2a8 No.506369

File: efc40deb2f9a6d2⋯.jpg (47.42 KB, 500x542, 250:271, a25a028284f7b3452a010482af….jpg)

>>506358

>At this point I must conclude that you are insane. How else could you speak about empiricism, then tell me that Buddha wasn't even a real human bean, because centuries after his death they wrote a list of inhuman features that he allegedly had?

Nice twist of logic there. Have you ever heard about historic science? Probably not. A great many of your own claims (even without sources) are based on historical sciences, not on empirical ones. That is because many things can only be reconstructed using literature, which of course brings with it certain "risks", which you didn't care for in all of your own argumentation up to this point however.

The empirical evidence lies in the reliquaries of the Buddhist temples. Hair, teeth and finger bones of Siddhartha Gautama are preserved, so are relics of many monks that look like pic related. They are implants that remain after a body is cremated and they are seen as an honorary gift. Whether the items on display are the originals can be debated, but if you want empirical proof go for a DNA analysis of the material there.

Plus, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know that this is not an isolated case, but rather quite common. Then again, I don't expect you to be able to make any connection to elements of foreign cultures, since you've only been spoon fed propaganda through your own media.

>So medieval scientists were all affiliated with "classified government programs" in their monasteries? Do you even have a functioning mind that you can seriously come up with such bullshit?

If you were using your brain correctly, you'd see that I was contextually referring to modern times, since I spoke of the last ~100 years in medical advances earlier. Which is obvious, except when one wants to play stupid, as you do. If you run out of arguments (which you have hours ago), just quit and do some reading. I won't hold it against you.

>Again, I asked if Arabic medical science stagnated or not.

You already stated it did, where is your proof of that? Since you admittedly don't know the literature on the matter, you are going off speculation again.

>Mesopotamia was later dominated by Semitic peoples, but they weren't Arabs either.

Finish the story, please. Who were the Sumerian people and where did they come from?

Protip: They were not Semites, nor related to anyone else ethnically or linguistically in the area. Modern science has no proven explanation as to their origin, since there is very little evidence of them before their cultural dawn and no traces of them having moved from another place. Their own literature however gives a detailed account of how they got there, speaking of the land of Dilmun and how they were created and placed there.

>It's a scientifically-empirically established fact that Jesus was Japanese.

Instead of making passive-aggressive unfunny jokes, ridiculing scientific work, you should read the article I linked and compare the features Shintoism and Judaism both have… (((coincidentally)))

>Using that term is the final proof

I put it in citation marks and labeled it "so-called", to make sure a reader get's what I am pointing at without having to confuse him further with specific terminology that more precisely describes the centuries of cultural and political development in Europe. But of course you jump on that and ignore what I actually wrote. All warfare is based on deception, ain't it?


abe2a8 No.506370

File: 52313d8cb043064⋯.jpg (140.17 KB, 418x633, 418:633, 6-giant.jpg)

>Show me those non-Western scientists who independently created the bedrock of modern microbiology then.

You are the one making firm assessments of their cultural and scientific nature, you must know about that yourself. I'm not here to feed you literature for the blind spots in your own research effort, if you can even call it that.

>I want you to admit that serious and reputable Chinese scientists don't practice traditional Chinese medicine as their main profession, and yet you accuse me with not doing my research here.

TCM has been accepted by many medical institutions and is being practiced and taught in the West as well. The Western academic criticism of TCM lies in the absence of a concept of mechanism that the Western academics understand and the possible toxicity of plants, since some herbs are used that under regular consumption are poisonous, however when sick their effect heals the condition (such as practically every other pharmaceutic as well). And since the WEST does not understand that medicine, they are prone to denounce it as bogus.

>Give me a better explanation to these globally observable patterns then.

I already did, if you read what I write you'd know that. You completely leave out the economic factor. Things like imperialism allow for an absurd increase in economic means (all the gold, gems, spices, tea, ivory, woods, practically stolen/robbed from abroad), which in turns allows for a significant investment into sciences and technologies. If however your population is forced to make a living first and has no means to devote to scientific and technological efforts, it will stagnate.

The German people, according to objective and NS view, were economically handicapped, though hardworking. Did their racial makeup cause the depression? Did they suddenly become lazy and degenerate? Oh noes, there was a ton of economic factors at work, among them two world wars. And it was stated by the NS gov that you can't feed that many people on that little land, thus more territory was needed yadda yadda. So, we can see that even to NS views economic factors are key for a people, not just their "character" or habits, both gross generalizations.

>I have this: lower IQ due to biological reasons→worse day-to-day practices in family life among other things→worse societies.

And you just proved you are a simpleton who projects his own inferiority complex onto other people to feel better about himself and have the illusion of superiority. Congratulations on ignoring some of the most extreme factors on people's lives in the history of mankind. You are the white equivalent to "we wuz kangz n shiet".

>Why isn't Kabul famous for its doctors?

Because you don't speak Dari or Pashto and have no ties with Afghanistan. Plus, fame is made by PR and I can't think of Afghani PR agencies trying to make their doctors famous. Which is connected to the GDP of the people there, the isolationism etc. Why do I have to answer questions for you that are so obvious?


abe2a8 No.506372

File: 70a4eded2e757f2⋯.jpg (485.02 KB, 400x710, 40:71, fce711069c67867697cfdcf3bc….jpg)

>Tell me the how we can measure the godhood of Buddha!

That statement makes no sense whatsoever. If I was to give an answer, I'd rephrase the question to "how can we differentiate between Siddhartha Gautama and a human" and point to the list of physiological characteristics, which are reflected in other works. Even the Sumerian literature states that a king must measure several hand spans, which are 49,94cm each in modern measurements. Now I ask you, how tall must a person be, with identical proportions, to have ~0,5m hand span?

>You've said that North Africa isn't Moslem

I said that you need to define Muslim before you put that label onto someone. The people of the Maghreb region are defined by national, ethnic and linguistic attributes significantly more than the fact they are all "Muslim". Same goes for Europe, people being Christian doesn't mean anything, it's rather normal and "low key". However the ethnicity, nation and language are determining factors for interaction (French hating Germans and reverse, i.e.).

>because some people there incorporated non-Moslem elements into their faith.

Which is forbidden in Islam. FORBIDDEN. You know the Muslim definition of forbidden, don't you? Absolutely haram. Death by the sword kind of forbidden, according to scripture, not really enforced in most countries.

>By the same metric I could claim that only protestants are real Christians, because many practices of the Catholic Church have pagan origins.

Christianity was made up, Muslims actually tend to stick with or at least know their religious doctrine. Every Muslim is expected to be able to recite the Qur'an, while most Christians haven't even read "the Bible".

>Answer all three of them, and then tell me if North Africa is Moslem or not.

You are too stupid to understand the problem here.

>a book that promoted a Moslem belief system

He promoted national socialism and denounced international financial groups and Jews, you fucking dimwit. The irony is that racist conservative fucks like you fail to see that Muslims are nationalistic, racist, sexist, antisemitic and religious just like yourself. They just happen to have the wrong color of skin and you bought into the media propagating the war of cultures. Himmler back in the day admired Islam and even handed out literature to his SS Divisions. "A practical and sympathetic religion for soldiers" was how he put it.

>Oh shit hugger, you just got fucking #rekt.

>How so?

You claimed:

>All these berbergs and whatnot are just weird minorities compared to the actual masses of people living there.

And you were shown that it is absolutely not the case. You have strictly stereotypical images in your head that you try to keep alive in this debate.

>That it has a symmetric repetition of shape with variation in size, yes?

>Yes, and?

You don't even understand why this is important. Seriously, just get a rope. You make up whatever you don't understand and cling to your edgy racial views to feel better than someone else. I realize Hungary is another shit hole in Eastern Europe, but you could actually practice what you preach and work hard at improving your country instead of hating on people in other countries who you never spoke to. You know, just an idea.

>So you want me to quote hundreds of pages of text, but you refuse to do the same thing for me?

You are too stupid to quote or paraphrase the explanation you said is in that book, seriously hugger? You reached a new low. Congrats.


c32893 No.506375

>>506372

>>506370

>>506369

so much idiotic babble without any arguments or sources


abe2a8 No.506378

File: 7ce9ccfa60881c7⋯.jpg (352.74 KB, 938x1285, 938:1285, cc-adi-3-plate-05-938x1285.jpg)

>>506375

What a witty reply, you sure know how to express an opinion. Do note however that the degree of comprehension is reflected in your replies. If you have nothing to address and comment on, you indicate that you have no clue about any of these matters yourself. Which is why the Hugger has to bend and break every matter down into the ideological framework he is familiar with and deny and ignore everything beyond, even going so far as to demanding other people to do the research work for his own claims or equating that with refusing to give sources for something general (as opposed to a specific argument) that is known to everyone connected to the field in question.

This broad lack of method and effort is typical for the sophistry indulged in by so many online shitposters. I hope whoever reads this thread can appreciate the material presented.


b81f83 No.506380

File: 13d28889b7230ff⋯.jpg (99.73 KB, 426x640, 213:320, ainuman.jpg)

>>506369

>That is because many things can only be reconstructed using literature, which of course brings with it certain "risks", which you didn't care for in all of your own argumentation up to this point however.

My arguments about IQ, ethnicity, society and scientific research are based on decades of data. Your beliefs are based on reading too much bullshit. I'm not the one who looks at a list that was most likely written hundreds of years after Gautama's death as definitive proof.

>Whether the items on display are the originals can be debated, but if you want empirical proof go for a DNA analysis of the material there.

You know well that I'm in no position to go to a Buddhist temple and ask them to give me those relics so that I can analyse their DNA. And even if I did that, you'd dismiss whatever results I had by claiming that those weren't genuine relics.

>Plus, if you actually knew what you were talking about, you'd know that this is not an isolated case, but rather quite common. Then

There are two distinct possibilities: either Gautama was indeed so physically different that he had to be a god; or his appearance wasn't anything uncommon. If the former is true, then there shouldn't be too many people who are physically similar to him. If the later is true, then his appearance isn't a proof of godhood.

>If you were using your brain correctly, you'd see that I was contextually referring to modern times, since I spoke of the last ~100 years in medical advances earlier.

No, you are always jumping around in time. Whenever I ask you about the advancement of Western medicine you tell me medieval medical books, and accept that Arabs were better at that point in history. And yet now you tell me that you were speaking about modern medicine when it's convenient for you. Also, you should present some evidence for the existence of those programs.

>You already stated it did, where is your proof of that? Since you admittedly don't know the literature on the matter, you are going off speculation again.

if it didn't stagnate you'd just show me evidence. Instead you are passive-aggressive and deny or dismiss the advancement of Western medicine. If you could prove me wrong you should. But you don't do that, because you can't.

>Finish the story, please. Who were the Sumerian people and where did they come from?

Finish? I'm speaking about the end of it, you imbecile. Sumerians were conquered by the Semitic Akkadians later. And Akkadians weren't Arabs, that's the point here.

>Instead of making passive-aggressive unfunny jokes, ridiculing scientific work, you should read the article I linked and compare the features Shintoism and Judaism both have…

And you should read that bullshit and believe it. It's completely true, because there is empirical evidence based on bullshit. If you were so serious about your ancient civilization stuff then you'd attribute these similarities to ayy lmaos.


abe2a8 No.506382

File: f44b2ba8f31354e⋯.jpg (57.94 KB, 600x900, 2:3, 15192776_141563832992277_2….jpg)

>>506380

>My arguments about IQ, ethnicity, society and scientific research are based on decades of data.

Then present it. So far you haven't presented a single scientific document to further that argument. You are just blushing up the dimension of your alleged evidence base here.

>Your beliefs are based on reading too much bullshit. I'm not the one who looks at a list that was most likely written hundreds of years after Gautama's death as definitive proof.

Smearing tactics and no I don't believe anything, you are free to refute whatever I present, if you can make a case against it. "Most likely", so you don't know? Ah… right. Because you have no clue and give opinion off as fact. Which is unscientific.

>You know well that I'm in no position to go to a Buddhist temple and ask them to give me those relics so that I can analyse their DNA.

Then shut up. There are plenty of scientific institutions in Asia that you could contact in order to make such a research proposal. And you have not done so.

>And even if I did that, you'd dismiss whatever results I had by claiming that those weren't genuine relics.

Speculation and smearing tactics again. You must agree with me that it's plausible to assume original relics are not put onto display, our musea do the same. And you can't speculate about the results before you have done the testing. You wanted hard evidence, I showed you where to get it. If you refuse to go after it that's on you.

>There are two distinct possibilities: either Gautama was indeed so physically different that he had to be a god; or his appearance wasn't anything uncommon. If the former is true, then there shouldn't be too many people who are physically similar to him. If the later is true, then his appearance isn't a proof of godhood.

The fuck are you blabbering on about here? Gautama was a Deva, there's millions of them, just as there is with humans. The Sumerians revered them as well, they even were the kings on earth for a long period of time (sum. Lugal means king, literally tall man). No one said anything about "god", this has nothing to do with theism. Stop spreading your ideological cancer into other cultures.

>Also, you should present some evidence for the existence of those programs.

What programs? Are you now trying to deny that MK Ultra and other CBRN/HUMINT research programs were not conducted in secret with many participants unknown? Hugger, never go full retard.

>Finish? I'm speaking about the end of it, you imbecile.

You were going backwards in time, you double hugger. So finish the story and don't let it stand there partially. The origin of the Sumerian people is only plausibly explained by their own records, modern science has no definite answer as to that.

>If you were so serious about your ancient civilization stuff then you'd attribute these similarities to ayy lmaos.

Joke is on you, it was the Elohim ("lofty ones") who destroyed the Shem in Babilim and spread the tribes of Israel across the globe, confusing their tongue so they could never again attempt building rockets to reach space.


b81f83 No.506383

>>506370

>I'm not here to feed you literature for the blind spots in your own research effort, if you can even call it that.

I believe that there are no non-Western scientists who created microbiology on their own. Therefore I could give you a list of non-Western scientists who didn't invent microbiology on their own. If they invented it, then you could give me sources. But there are none, for they didn't invent it.

>TCM has been accepted by many medical institutions and is being practiced and taught in the West as well.

Chinese soft power is backed by enormous sums of money, of course it's widely accepted by easily-corruptible institutions.

>that the Western academics understand and the possible toxicity of plants, since some herbs are used that under regular consumption are poisonous

They firmly believe for centuries that ingesting toxic metals will grant them immortality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemical_elixir_poisoning This is because it indeed operates differently from modern Western medicine: instead of empirical evidence they just follow whatever bogus techniques were passed down to them, and hope that the placebo effect will solve all their problems.

>I already did

Really? Where?

> Things like imperialism allow for an absurd increase in economic means (all the gold, gems, spices, tea, ivory, woods, practically stolen/robbed from abroad), which in turns allows for a significant investment into sciences and technologies.

Do you honestly believe this Marxist bullshit? Do you think that Copernicus worked for fucking tea? And that the industrial revolution later wasn't based on European iron and coal, but on gems and spices? If scientific development was a question of gold, then the Western civilization shouldn't have started the industrial revolution. You can't eat gold, and having more of it doesn't help. Spain had so much gold it destroyed their economy. Yet the industrial revolution started in Britain. And it started with mining and processing wool.

>Did their racial makeup cause the depression?

No, it was caused by the international financial system you yourself denounced.

>Did they suddenly become lazy and degenerate?

No, that's why they could completely rebuild Germany without relying on gold or ivory or spices. Just like how Japan too could rebuild itself. And South Korea also went through an enormous industrial development. All without gems and tea, but with Western technology. Yet Africans can't build a working modern country under any circumstances on their own. Why is that?

>And you just proved you are a simpleton who projects his own inferiority complex onto other people to feel better about himself and have the illusion of superiority.

You are simply retarded. That's all to it. You can't provide a model to explain the differences between ethnicities other than some Marxist bullshit about imperialism. Even though that doesn't explain what's been going on in East Asia with all that development and modernization.


abe2a8 No.506384

File: 46e1a8d2cb0ccdd⋯.jpg (40.83 KB, 476x353, 476:353, 1468345516770.jpg)

>>506383

>I believe that

Irrelevant. You are supposed to research and show your findings. What sources do you use, what methods? Did other people do the same work and what are their results? What can be debated based on that? What conclusions can be drawn? What further research can be suggested?

You know jack shit about science and it's so obvious it hurts. Your pseudo-intellectual acrobatics don't help that either.

>Chinese soft power is backed by enormous sums of money, of course it's widely accepted by easily-corruptible institutions.

Such as hospitals, specialized doctors and insurance companies, yeah? No. You fuckwit. These are established parts of the medical infrastructure.

>They firmly believe for centuries that ingesting toxic metals will grant them immortality.

Chinese medicine, as many other cultures as well, have a complex history of alchemy, which is based on fragments of knowledge that was once in practice. Since you don't know anything about ancient cultures and have to pull stuff out of your ass, maybe show some restraint and realize that you don't understand cultures that are thousands of years old as well. Same goes for the Chinese in your example, they were/are working with remnants of long passed civilizations.

>instead of empirical evidence they just follow whatever bogus techniques were passed down to them, and hope that the placebo effect will solve all their problems.

Bullshit, they were working off traditional accounts which surely haven't been adapted as originally intended in all cases. Since you seriously deny that plants have pharmaceutical use, you can make another mark on your "I'm an idiot" list.

>Do you honestly believe this Marxist bullshit? [denial of economic core principles]

Oh boy… just take a rope, please. Your ideological projections are beyond help.

>No, it was caused by the international financial system you yourself denounced.

Same as Gaddafi btw. who you denounced.

>No, that's why they could completely rebuild Germany without relying on gold or ivory or spices.

Lies, they did introduce a gold standard and they worked tricky business models with international help (US and other foreign nations) to create assets that they didn't have. They practically built a bubble to kick start their industrial development, but they never paid that shit off, then the war came. You should really not attempt to speculate about matters anymore, it's getting tiring.

>Just like how Japan too could rebuild itself.

Same thing, Japanese had/have an economic bubble going on as well.

>And South Korea also went through an enormous industrial development.

Again, all with foreign help. If any of these three would have been left to their own fate they'd not done jack shit.

>Yet Africans can't build a working modern country under any circumstances on their own.

You have not been to any African country ever, this bullshit is living proof of that. There are many metropoles in Africa, not everyone there is living in shacks. Just go offline already, it's enough. Really.

>You can't provide a model to explain the differences between ethnicities

I already did, it's called economics, of which you understand as much as about science, history or medicine: NADA.


b81f83 No.506385

File: 303d3c8c19c2024⋯.jpg (57.48 KB, 799x500, 799:500, discrimination_is_only_ski….jpg)

>>506372

>That statement makes no sense whatsoever.

It does. >>506356

>I don't believe anything, I research questions and present my findings.

If you don't believe in anything, then you can't believe in the godhood of Buddha. Do you believe that he was a god or not?

>Even the Sumerian literature states that a king must measure several hand spans

It has nothing to do with the godhood of Buddha.

>I said that you need to define Muslim before you put that label onto someone.

They follow the Koran, believe in Mohammed and regard themselves as Moslems. Isn't that enough?

>people being Christian doesn't mean anything,

For centuries the conflict between Christians and Moslems had a religious side.

>Which is forbidden in Islam. FORBIDDEN.

And? They can still regard themselves as Moslems. Or do you want to tell me that only wahabbists can be called Moslems?

>Christianity was made up, Muslims actually tend to stick with or at least know their religious doctrine.

You said Mohammed wasn't even a real person. Besides, you are obviously not familiar with the defining concept of the reformation: sola scriputra. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura

>He promoted national socialism and denounced international financial groups and Jews, you fucking dimwit.

Was his belief system Moslem or not? You said it was.

>The irony is that racist conservative fucks like you fail to see that Muslims are nationalistic, racist, sexist, antisemitic and religious just like yourself.

I'm well aware of that, you fucking shitlord. But really, did you came from tumblr? Those who are not nationalists are mere animals.

>They just happen to have the wrong color of skin

The differences are much deeper than skin. You know, there are those things they call genes.

>Himmler back in the day admired Islam and even handed out literature to his SS Divisions. "A practical and sympathetic religion for soldiers" was how he put it.

And I don't give a fuck about Himmler.

>And you were shown that it is absolutely not the case.

Again, they aren't nomads living in the desert. And I asked you if they are Moslem or not. You still didn't give me an answer, just went on about how I must define what is a Moslem. And tell me, do they worship Allah? Do they read the Koran? Do they look at Muhammad as a prophet?

>You don't even understand why this is important.

Wow, they repeat the same pattern. Even animals are capable of that much.

>I realize Hungary is another shit hole in Eastern Europe,

you evidently don't speak Hungarian, therefore by your own metrics you can't judge Hungary.

>but you could actually practice what you preach and work hard at improving your country

According to you India is full of designated shitting streets because of imperialism and economics. Therefore Indians can't do anything. Yet you expect me to fight these devilish forces?

>You are too stupid to quote or paraphrase the explanation you said is in that book

Read the third and fourth chapters of Decline of the West. I won't clutter the thread by copypasting all those pages here. Also, you wrote this: >>505942

>If you want to shed your ignorance, read any of the works by the authors I already mentioned. Vyasa, Valmiki and Maharishi Bharadwaja all compiled works that contain more than your ant brain can stomach, which is why you pull off this charade here.

You should provide me with chapters, because you honestly expect me to read all of that. Meanwhile I only mentioned two books, Erectus walks Among Us and Decline of the West.


abe2a8 No.506387

File: 35fbb19461c00b7⋯.jpg (43.95 KB, 736x770, 368:385, 17798910_10100867765522910….jpg)

>>506385

>If you don't believe in anything, then you can't believe in the godhood of Buddha. Do you believe that he was a god or not?

Again, there is no theism here. Why do you bring up graeco-romanic Christian ideas here? We are talking Buddhism here. It has its own terminology, which I readily use for you.

>It has nothing to do with the godhood of Buddha.

Yes it has, because the Sumerians refer to the same ancestry Siddhartha Gautama comes from, same goes for the Nordic Aesir and Chinese Xian, the Japanese Kami and the Semitic Elohim. They all describe the same entities.

>They follow the Koran, believe in Mohammed and regard themselves as Moslems. Isn't that enough?

You are blueprinting off Christianity here. Follow "the Bible", believe in Jesus and regard yourself as Christian. That shit does not pull in Islam or Judaism. They are both abrahamitic religions and monotheistic, however they were not made up by Romans, but largely influenced in actually Semitic countries. And there the rules are a bit different. You actually have to DO things and learn certain things, you can't just declare a belief and that's it. Lip service is a Christian thing, not a Muslim or Jewish one.

But thanks for revealing your ignorance through these questions. I wish you were less of a fuckwit and would just nicely ask if you don't understand something instead of making broad claims you can't back up and have to rudder back on when being face fucked with facts.

>For centuries the conflict between Christians and Moslems had a religious side.

WHEN there was a conflict and I was talking internally. Today in Europe/US being Christian is nothing special. Same goes for Islam in Arabic countries, it's everywhere and common.

>And? They can still regard themselves as Moslems. Or do you want to tell me that only wahabbists can be called Moslems?

That depends on who you ask. Which is why I already demanded your definition of Islam, because Sunni, Shia and other denominations will tell you differing stories on what is actual Islam and what is not. And if Muslims are not united in that themselves, why do you claim with blanket statements that they're all united in Islam?

>You said Mohammed wasn't even a real person.

Muslims can believe things that may have been made up. There is trickery in all walks of life, politics, economics, etc. so too in religion.

>Besides, you are obviously not familiar with the defining concept of the reformation: sola scriputra.

"Christian theological doctrine" has nothing to do with Islam. And "the Bible" does not exist. The Tanakh is a Jewish script for no one besides the "chosen people" (Semites). The NT was invented by Romans, see http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/


abe2a8 No.506388

File: ca547628cb78698⋯.jpg (70.28 KB, 960x754, 480:377, 18119029_10208738222433926….jpg)

>Was his belief system Moslem or not? You said it was.

That depends on who you ask. Why are you so hellbent on reducing his values to a Muslim identity (that's controversially debated in the Arabic world and beyond) if he has so many commonalities with your own views?

>I'm well aware of that, you fucking shitlord. But really, did you came from tumblr? Those who are not nationalists are mere animals.

You are the peak of ignorance. You have zero arguments and must refer to ad hominem to make your opponent look bad.

>The differences are much deeper than skin. You know, there are those things they call genes.

You know nothing about genetics. You can't even bring that as an argument without understanding it and how it relates to other issues, let alone that genetic and social relations are not even established in modern science.

>And I don't give a fuck about Himmler.

Edgy.

>Again, they aren't nomads living in the desert.

You said they were weird minorities, which they are not. They are the majority of people. Those regular folks living there, the masses.

>You still didn't give me an answer, just went on about how I must define what is a Moslem.

YOU alleged that I wasn't answering your questions, since they're so retardedly stupid. And now you deny giving a definition of your criteria you ask for, making an answer impossibly vague.

>Wow, they repeat the same pattern. Even animals are capable of that much.

You need geometry to do that, math and measurements, tools, writing. You fuckwit.

>you evidently don't speak Hungarian, therefore by your own metrics you can't judge Hungary.

Suddenly, yeah?

>According to you India is full of designated shitting streets because of imperialism and economics.

Part of the country was severely damaged in its development by that, yeah. So was Europe and Germany. So was Africa. So are Arabic countries. War and occupational forces mess with a countries development, if that wasn't obvious yet.

>Therefore Indians can't do anything.

You are evidently retarded.

>Read the third and fourth chapters of Decline of the West.

QUOTE or PARAPHRASE, you tripple hugger.

>You should provide me with chapters, because you honestly expect me to read all of that.

I didn't base any argument off a single statement in that literature that I'd have to quote. You however did. I gave you the general corpus of literature you can use to verify my statements.

>Meanwhile I only mentioned two books

Since you obviously don't know more, let alone have read them, let alone being able to quote or paraphrase for your own arguments sake.


b81f83 No.506391

File: 5fa13b04567dc5e⋯.jpg (106.47 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, konface.jpg)

All right, I make this whole thing a lot simpler:

SHITSKINS ARE GENETICALLY INFERIOR AND BRINGING THEM INTO EUROPE IS SUICIDAL! BABBLING ABOUT AYY LMAOS GIVING NIGGERS FRACTAL KNOWLEDGE AND CLAIMING THAT MOSLEMS DON'T REAL JUST MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A RETARD!

Clear enough?


abe2a8 No.506392

File: bcc4cfab2549b5e⋯.png (166.05 KB, 480x480, 1:1, 1499138139925.png)

>>506383

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemical_elixir_poisoning

That's an interesting link you have there by the way, even if you don't recognize it. Quote:

"Dān 丹 "cinnabar; vermillion; elixir; alchemy" is the keyword for Chinese immortality elixirs. The red mineral cinnabar (dānshā 丹砂 lit. "cinnabar sand") was anciently used to produce the pigment vermilion (zhūhóng 朱紅) and the element mercury (shuǐyín 水銀 "watery silver" or gǒng 汞)."

The oldest Chinese mummies, which are the best preserved, compared with younger ones who are failed attempts at reproducing the older efforts, were conserved with a reddish liquid of unknown origin. And coincidentally, St. Germain was said to have given a red tea to a noble lady that stopped her from aging for decades.

If you read on about that matter, you will find a strikingly similar amount of terms, among them ambrosia, nectar, amrita, soma and others. Golden liquids and brews, alike to beer, mead and wine, with herbs and fruits of immortality (such as the golden apples of Avalon or the one inscribed kalliste).

>>506391

If you have to reduce a complex issue of reality to such a primitive ideological theorem to be able to deal with it inside your head, go ahead. I won't stop you from intellectual suicide.


b81f83 No.506394

File: 411da21bbf5ebac⋯.jpg (1.03 MB, 3000x3000, 1:1, speciation.jpg)

File: 8532b35e35231ba⋯.png (50.12 KB, 962x573, 962:573, race_biological_basis.png)

File: 5c77a5fe4c843af⋯.jpeg (75.99 KB, 770x770, 1:1, races.jpeg)

File: b2745487193099e⋯.jpg (213.81 KB, 980x1154, 490:577, race skulls.jpg)

File: dfde9b3ab3a762b⋯.jpg (343.64 KB, 1080x3664, 135:458, Islam is a peaceful religi….jpg)

>>506392

Simple? If it were so simple you wouldn't fail to understand it. Although, the most likely explanation that deep down you know I'm right, and that's why you bring in all this bullshit.


abe2a8 No.506396

File: 0f4173c1f7a9793⋯.jpg (83.48 KB, 274x328, 137:164, 1460824231648.jpg)

>>506394

I didn't say simple, learn to read. I said primitive ideological theorem.

I do understand more than you are capable of grasping, that's why you are acting like a little child that is denied its will. But all your acting up does not help, you are wrong, ideologically blinded and shitpost on the internet. You have not provided any quotes I can refer to, nor scientific publications. You really think you can get anywhere here with memes and info graphics without sources, eh? Fucking lol and you claim to have studied at an university. I guess everything is possible in Hungary.


abe2a8 No.506400

>>506394

Btw. that second image talking about Neanderthal admixture, you better do your research on Reiner Protsch, a German "scientist" who was found out to be a fraud. If I'm not mistaken the idea that Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens Sapiens lived together was based on his findings, which he made up for years straight. He was eventually busted for tax fraud or something, then his scientific fraud came to light. Literally every anthropological work based in some way on his work has to be rewritten and is false.


1a9349 No.506403

>>506394

What I don't like about these pictures in general is that they never use quantitative data comparatively. I'm fine with africans being some sort subspecies if the data supports that, but these pictures never show it. If it showed the genetic diference between, say, different species of honey bees and compared that difference to the difference between europeans and africans then they would make a more convincing argument.

Islam being shit is just truth, though.


abe2a8 No.506404

File: dfd0c9a7d8e2511⋯.jpg (17.21 KB, 440x440, 1:1, dfd0c9a7d8e2511cc0c589ed1b….jpg)

>>506403

Would if they could, what they can't since the data does not support that. Plus take a look at an ethnic map of Africa, there is no "African" people, there are many ethnicities of varying belonging on that continent.

Only in a Western racialized context can you group them all together as "black", something which SJWs and other PC people ironically adapt, even going further and speaking of "people of color" lol.


ecd262 No.506405

File: 67d53c0a56c868a⋯.jpg (271 KB, 601x420, 601:420, Astronaut.jpg)

File: d30581dc4ea2a00⋯.jpg (456.07 KB, 2160x1080, 2:1, 1425492_819362304789070_17….jpg)

This thread is now dedicated to our glorious nubian alien kangz who taught all human civilizations to build pyamids and KFC's and shiiieeet.


b81f83 No.506406

File: 8c738ef1679ab2b⋯.jpg (128.6 KB, 1078x516, 539:258, Warriors of the World - Af….jpg)

>>506403

Again, I must turn your attention towards this book:

http://archive.is/RdTQt

Two relevant chapters:

https://archive.is/HX2i2

https://archive.is/aVIG7

>>506405

WE


ecd262 No.506408

File: 369622df3d9bd7b⋯.jpg (56.23 KB, 480x611, 480:611, ancient king of nubia.jpg)


abe2a8 No.506409

File: 549b11e40f4849f⋯.jpg (520.69 KB, 1005x2425, 201:485, 1493694704173.jpg)

>>506406

>I am unable to quote or paraphrase literature I claim to have read and understood

- the post.


ce75b8 No.506411

File: 7ca911d3605b0ba⋯.webm (11.8 MB, 720x480, 3:2, Kangz swagger, niggers li….webm)


1a9349 No.506416

>>506406

Nice. You should add the archive link to the images.


54d75c No.506431

>>506403

hmm, its almost like any significant research on the subject cant be done because the researchers instantly become persona non grata and excommunicated from the scientific community at large

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11261872/James-Watson-selling-Nobel-prize-because-no-one-wants-to-admit-I-exist.html

its like the "one race, the human race," meme is foundational to communistic philosophy and to admit that niggers are a subspecies would be the undoing of their jewish schemes, or something.

>>506404

>SJWs and other PC people

theyre called commies, krautsperg


54d75c No.506432

File: 08a5ae4249bc830⋯.gif (71.41 KB, 326x326, 1:1, really thinking.gif)

>>506431

didnt post my stupid fucking goddamn image the first time because i ghad to close the fucking broswer and restart to get the goddamn captycha to work


c05104 No.506458

File: ae7a6bc86ea6b9f⋯.png (47.1 KB, 302x389, 302:389, assburger and proud.png)

File: 139513848494171⋯.jpg (96.14 KB, 960x945, 64:63, Niggas Wit Autism.jpg)

File: f448541daea4241⋯.png (58.5 KB, 442x768, 221:384, asperger excuse me.png)


418505 No.506521

File: 7b749f9493a6e67⋯.jpg (58.97 KB, 480x600, 4:5, 19642785_1376428705806023_….jpg)

File: 409ddcb75cec6a5⋯.jpg (98.21 KB, 886x862, 443:431, d633785d1ad97fb2ca3ea63359….jpg)

File: 7ecb55d53e87451⋯.jpg (35.2 KB, 600x461, 600:461, 18620091_463985247279198_9….jpg)

>>506458

SHEEEEEEEIT


7bab9b No.506588

>>506521

if only that first image were true


abe2a8 No.506850

File: 65de7b60d3649b3⋯.jpg (72.65 KB, 500x599, 500:599, 1468139859695.jpg)

>>506431

>theyre called commies, krautsperg

Not all of them are communist. I know /k/ likes this cold war mentality and wholeheartedly embraces it in many topics (such as prepping/survival related ones, ignoring all technical advances of the past 30 years and still wanting to go "innawoods" like a GI in Vietnam), but reality is a tad bit more complex than "us vs. them" and the first/second world division of the globe does not hold up politically.

Even if we were to assume that everyone being "liberal" nowadays is affiliated with communism (Russian? Chinese? Norks?), we'd still have to consider that the "left vs. right" duality doesn't work equally everywhere. In many European countries the leftist extremists (i.e. Antifa, I'm actually glad the internet caught up with them after they've done shit since the 90's and have been largely ignored) demand silencing and censorship of anyone they DEEM Nazi/Fascist/Right Wing/Nationalist/whatever, they don't even have to provide any proof. The mere accusation is enough for them to go apeshit. But more importantly, they rely on THE STATE to enforce their demands. They want LAWS and POLICE to work against this. They want to enforce discrimination laws, laws that abandon free speech, they demand "right wing" ideas to be banned and people put into prison. And not for actual crimes such as arson or murder, no. But ideological "crimes".

And they rely for that on the state. They basically demand from the politicians that they gotta do something about this. And boy do the politicians go along with that. It's almost as if the two were working together, you know. Just speculation, you know… pure (((coincidence))).

tl;dr the European "leftists" are not left. They practice fascism. Further proof of that is a comparison with Israeli or South American "Antifa" movements, which are against Israel or the ruling capitalist government, while the European "Antifa" is for the Israeli government and denounce any criticism as "antisemitism". These groups share the same name tag, but completely opposite ideologies. That is, because one is a fascist controlled opposition to justify legislation in Europe and the other are actually leftist movements.

True leftist (as in: Anarchist, no ruler-ship; not: no rules) are openly disagreeing with the European Antifa movement(s) and denounce their methods and demands. And of course these people get accused of being right wing/neo-nazi sympathizers. It's a fucking joke. So no, you can't work with a black & white mentality here.

And in the US practically everyone is "right wing", even the leftists. So taking the European left & right spectrum and applying it in the US does not work. The US is more capitalistic and right oriented from the get go. But same game here: who pushes for gun control? Who finances these "moms demand action" and what not groups? Who crosses out the rights from the bill of rights? It's politicians. And luckily you have a better awareness of their names than we have in Europe. The impulse for such measures does not come from some shadow "communism" acting in secret. It comes from political people that put legislature and money behind such goals. Feinstein & Friends.


0deb9e No.506852

File: a3d27fffbb5e03a⋯.png (3.62 MB, 2166x1890, 361:315, Umi being her usual self.png)

>>506850

>If I Use Many Words Then I Look Smart: The Post

Cultural Marxism was started by communists who were salty that their revolutions failed everywhere expect Russia. The idea is that they cut society in half and pit the two groups against each other, then repeat the process with an other group. E.g. men-women, blacks-whites, normal people-faggots, relatively healthy people-fat people, etc, etc. It's based on the Marxist way of cutting society in half by calling the poor the proletariat and everybody else bourgeois. But there are many more groups, therefore nearly everybody can claim to be oppressed and be denounced as an oppressor at the same time. This kills political life, because instead of the interest of an unified nation the discussion is about which group of degenerates is the most oppressed. And you can't unite the people in that atmosphere.

Cultural Marxism peaked in the 60s, when it took over liberalism, and since then it's part of the Western world's everyday life. But in the last few decades the elites of the West took over Cultural Marxist discussions by funding their own groups and backing them up in the media. Now they use it to keep down their own population, because they can use Cultural Marxist groups to smash anyone who dares to stand up against them. Indeed, the antifa in Germany is a great example of this kind of control. But they are an extreme case, because usually if you speak against the system you lose your job, because no company can employ such a segssist-reysisd-gnadzi.


abe2a8 No.506858

>>506852

Missing the point. Just because there are communists and Marxists, does not mean everyone who works similar to them is one. And neither does it mean everyone opposing such (alleged) people is in the right.


0deb9e No.506869

File: e40d5f2e7853a43⋯.png (310.34 KB, 375x348, 125:116, Karl Marx: A Real Human Be….png)

>>506858

>Just because there are communists and Marxists, does not mean everyone who works similar to them is one.

They are still using Marxists and their narratives to further their own goals, therefore by fighting Marxist narratives you also reduce those groups' strength. A good example is how Moslems like to cry racism if somebody speaks up against their death cult, because Marxists instantly want to lynch that person for being racist. But if you completely destroy the Marxist narrative about how all humans are equal at a genetic level, then Marxists lose the power to attack you simply by labelling you racist. And it also weakens Moslems, because they can't use Marxists for their purposes. (Of course you've got all those idiots who want to argue about how Moslems aren't a race, therefore it's not racist to oppose them. But they can't notice that Marxists simply don't care.)

>And neither does it mean everyone opposing such (alleged) people is in the right.

The left-right narrative is dead, currently it's globalists with their Marxist puppets fighting to keep their power. If you don't join or oppose them, then it doesn't matter where you stand, because you are simply not an actor.


abe2a8 No.506870

File: bbdb219a52d5b9b⋯.jpg (81.41 KB, 771x960, 257:320, 15337613_10208470385105750….jpg)

>>506869

>therefore by fighting Marxist narratives you also reduce those groups' strength.

That is where you are wrong. This can be the case, however it doesn't have to be. The fact that "so many" people identify as "right wing" or "neo-nazi" today (it's not a lot, really, but some) is simply due to the fact that liberals have been pestering with their ideological bullshit for years and many people are simply sick with the political correct bullshit. Thus they "move right". If people would have just stfu about Hitler and the Third Reich, the right in our country would be a lot smaller. Protestwähler und so.

>And it also weakens Moslems

The Moslems I know don't have to cooperate with political correct "Marxist" types, but either don't care or are openly "right wing" themselves.

>The left-right narrative is dead, currently it's globalists with their Marxist puppets fighting to keep their power.

Pic related. Thanks for making me laugh.


0deb9e No.506874

File: e25b2418021067f⋯.webm (2.34 MB, 1280x608, 40:19, UK_censorship.webm)

File: cd703cfe39fa9b1⋯.jpg (113.58 KB, 637x915, 637:915, Sayonara, bongs!.jpg)

>>506870

>That is where you are wrong.

How so? I gave you a concrete example, and you started speaking about something entirely different.

>The Moslems I know don't have to cooperate with political correct "Marxist" types, but either don't care or are openly "right wing" themselves.

Do you know any of the Moslems who were involved with the M-103 motion in Canada? Or the ones who were for passing those ani-hatespeech laws in the UK? You know, the ones that force the police to go after people who say mean things on the internet about Moslems.

>Pic related. Thanks for making me laugh.

So you honestly can't believe the existence of a globalist elite?


54d75c No.506875

File: 59214d7757a358e⋯.gif (1.76 MB, 235x150, 47:30, 1454206862982.gif)

>>506850

>missing the point this hard

>antifa is da reel fascists

>NOT. REAL. COMMUNISM.

germany is beyond saving.


abe2a8 No.506876

>>506874

>How so?

This can be the case, however it doesn't have to be. The fact that "so many" people identify as "right wing" or "neo-nazi" today (it's not a lot, really, but some) is simply due to the fact that liberals have been pestering with their ideological bullshit for years and many people are simply sick with the political correct bullshit. Thus they "move right". If people would have just stfu about Hitler and the Third Reich, the right in our country would be a lot smaller. Protestwähler und so.

The same goes the other way. More "right wing" edginess, more "left wing" reaction to it. Or are you telling me liberals don't feed on that shit? You must have been asleep for a couple of years then. Welcome back to the living, I guess.

>Do you know any of the Moslems who were involved with the M-103 motion in Canada? Or the ones who were for passing those ani-hatespeech laws in the UK? You know, the ones that force the police to go after people who say mean things on the internet about Moslems.

Now I don't. I do know however that none of the Muslims I know support such shit, because, as I said, they either don't care or are openly "right" and don't have a problem with "social conflict" of that type. They don't need to be accepted, they can live with being discriminated against, since they're adults and don't need appeasement.

>So you honestly can't believe the existence of a globalist elite?

I honestly won't believe anything. And if you had paid attention at all, you'd know that and how to follow a scientific approach.

To break it down to your logical niveau: I do assume that there are various elitist groups that pull the strings of all kinds of events. I do assume there is Marxists and ex-communist/Soviet groups among them.

I do however not blindly accuse people of belonging to or following such individuals or groups simply because I dislike their views or have the impression that they might be associated in some form. To make such a statement would require me to investigate the possibility of such an association and some form of evidence or just indication that that is the case. Mere allegations are mostly the basis for such arguments on the internet, so you're not alone. It does not hold up to examination though and is mere speculation, no matter how well it might fit any narrative.


82c22e No.506890

>>506875

It was Yanks that programmed them to default to blind liberalism with a smattering of economic conservatism. Also made them internalise two successive defeats which turned into Imperial Prussia bad, war bad, defending Germany bad, defending our culture or history bad.


54d75c No.506891

File: 8138bdb9d6367e1⋯.jpg (69.55 KB, 620x413, 620:413, behind-post.jpg)

>>506890

>>its your fault that germans are the goodest of goy, fellow goyim


18107c No.506893

File: bea14c6dc730630⋯.png (222.14 KB, 769x437, 769:437, bea14c6dc7306309779ededa7c….png)

>>506850

>And in the US practically everyone is "right wing", even the leftists.

I thought Europeans were supposed to be smarter and more informed or something.


abe2a8 No.506899

>>506891

US/Israeli influence on Germany is not something you can really deny.

>>506893

>I thought Europeans were supposed to be smarter and more informed or something.

>a leaf

>shitposting

>what a surprise


54d75c No.506901

>>506899

whats your point?


ef4c3a No.506924

File: 55935c1b971ab68⋯.webm (1.34 MB, 960x540, 16:9, Arguments.webm)

>>506893

Well all I ever heard from my commisars and politruks was how wonderful your Marxist indoctrination centers were, so you tell me, Jean-Jacques.


c05104 No.506937

File: 35dd611620c4a6f⋯.jpg (104.83 KB, 800x585, 160:117, sperg is growing stronger.jpg)


abe2a8 No.507426

File: 3a5b58aea432f7c⋯.jpg (264.85 KB, 1462x1272, 731:636, 3a5b58aea432f7c673c7dd130d….jpg)

Coming back to the "defining Muslim" thing, I came across this website when looking for traditional Bedouin clothing (which is covering most of the body for men and women, since, you know, fucking hot desert). I quote:

"Islam in Under 500 Words

1.Islam comes from an Arabic root word meaning "submission"

Islam acknowledges both the Jewish and Christian traditions but considers that they have gone astray. The Prophet Muhammad is said to put a seal of divine approval on earlier prophets including Abraham, Moses, David, and Jesus.

2. A person who follows Islam is a Muslim

About 1 billion people are Muslims. Only about a quarter of these live in the Middle East – and a still smaller proportion are Arab.

The division between Sunni and Shi`a traditions relates to the succession of authority very early in Islam’s history. Shi`ites are about 10% of the total Muslim population and are found mostly in Iran and Iraq.

Sufis are the mystics of Islam. There are many orders including the Turkish Mevlevi ("whirling dervishes")

3. The Qur’an, comprising 114 sura, is the holy scripture revealed to the Prophet Muhammad. It is both poetry and a guide to living – including regulations for marriage, inheritance and food laws and prohibitions against usury, gambling and alcohol.

As with other religions the degree and nature of observance varies between societies and individuals.

As formal Arabic is a multi-layered language translations into other languages tend to only give a gist of the meaning. However, the MSA-USC Qur'an Database gives multiple English translations for sura, in context, for a given word or phrase.

While An Index To The Qur'an provides individual sura by keyword.

4. In Islam the emphasis is on practice rather than belief. The minimum practice is the five pillars of Islam revealed in the Qur’an:

expression of the belief that there is no God but God and Muhammad is his messenger(shahada)

giving alms to the poor (zakat)

prayer five times a day (salat)

observance of fast during Ramadan (saum)

pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj)

The exact manner of observance varies between Sunni and Shi`ite practice and among the four Sunni legal schools.

5. The hadith are the sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad seen or heard first hand. Various ones are regarded as more or less correct. Further, there is a range of interpretations of these.

6. Friday is the day for special worship (al-jum`a)

The Islamic year is based on the lunar year which is shorter than the solar year. Meaning the month of Ramadan is earlier every year. Here is a Current Calendar

Islam dates from the last 10 years of the life of the Prophet Muhammad (1 AH = 622 CE).

7. A jihad is a struggle against temptation and unjust oppression.

8. A fatwa is an edict from a learned theologian based on formal education in Islamic jurisprudence and is only binding on his own followers."

http://www.raqs.co.nz/me/islam.html

As for the clothing, in the desert everyone covers up, with face veils being common for men as well, because, you know, fucking sand storms.

http://www.raqs.co.nz/me/clothing_bedouin.html

So historically, there is a functional basis for this. I'm not saying it's not forced onto women in some countries (such as Afghanistan under the "Taliban" rule), yet it wasn't invented as a tool to suppress women in Islam and has been around before Islam even existed. If you take a look at modern, urban centers in the Arabic world (such as Egypt) you'll find that most people combine traditional with modern clothing, showing a great variety of styles.

If you want you can check the board for Egypt yourself, you won't be able to read much (since 90% of it is in Arabic), but you'll see that these people shitpost just like you, debating internet censorship, political issues, media, picking up girls, alcohol and smoking, drugs, porn, pretty much everything every western board I have ever been to does too.

https://8ch.net/misr/catalog.html


abe2a8 No.507431

File: 560bbf6d9a395c9⋯.jpg (107.07 KB, 1020x679, 1020:679, 28e162361c65f19c5e1e6d124b….jpg)

>>507426

It becomes even more interesting:

http://www.imuhar.eu/site/en/imuhartuareg/clothing.php?lang=EN

http://www.imuhar.eu/site/en/imuhartuareg/origin.php?lang=EN

"Communities: Tm.hw - M^sw^s – mzr (Imazieren) – mhr (Imuhar)

Etymological connection

Egypt

The community of the Tm.hw was first mentioned in the 23th century before Christ (Böhm 2002: 49). At the beginning of the 2nd millennium the community lived in the West of lower Egypt and were believed to be enemies of the Egyptians (ib.: 49). On the “dogstele” of an upper-Egypt monarch (reign 2118-2069 BC) five terms were mentioned, which can be connected with the Tamazirt language like Abaikur (beastly dog).

The community of the Tm.hw was described as light-skinned, blond and blue-eyed (Böhm 2002:55). There is a description of the clothing of the TM.HW from the Ramesside Period: men wore long capes which were knotted above the left shoulder and left the left arm uncovered. They had a braid on one side of his head, a moustache and a goatee. His arms and legs were tattooed with patterns of rectangles, crosses and lines. The women wore a skirt with fringes at the seam (Böhm 2002: 58).


Libya

The community of the Tm.hw lived in Cyrenaica 500 BC (ib.: 64). The community members sustained themselves with extensive livestock breeding. One part of the community wore capes, while the other part wore clothing made out of animal skin (ib.: 74). They showed matrilineal tendencies (ib.: 76).

During the Ramesside period the old name TM.HW soon meant Libyan in general and so the old proper name vanished. The community ^Sw^s, who also resided on the North African coast, came into the famous heritage of the Tm.hw’s traditions, the meaning of both terms are unrecorded. They soon were identified as Imaziren (“Berber“) (id.: 64)."

Shiiieeet, niggah. We wuz "berbergs". This "weird minority" that actually is a majority of people there. Anyone familiar with ancient history knows the connotation of blue clothing and skin. It is a common trend among our "ancestors", who were described as tall, fair and blue-eyed. But hey, let's ignore such origins and just rationalize it away because our current gov and media tells us these people are all hardcore Muslims with no other incentives and contents in their lives and we must hate them because they hate our freedumbs.

Who needs to differentiate and understand people if you can simply put them into a pre-made box and be done with it instantly, eh? :^)


8b7d44 No.507432

File: 9e389d959c17b41⋯.jpeg (130.46 KB, 1160x629, 1160:629, Egyptian Aryan men.jpeg)

File: b0593c9b862b9b0⋯.jpg (24.39 KB, 533x800, 533:800, ayy_high_life.jpg)

>>507426

>>507431

Wow, you've really convinced me! These people are indeed a bunch of Aryans who totes don't follow Islam! I want all 90 000 000+ of these tall Aryans from the Arab Republic of Egypt (the homeland of the Muslim Brotherhood) to migrate to Europe and enrich the continent with their ayyydvanced surgical practices!


abe2a8 No.507434

File: a236a12ccbfa60d⋯.jpg (90.75 KB, 670x447, 670:447, 03-tuareg-fighters-670.jpg)

>>507432

Way to miss my point, idiot. Yet you have consistently failed to reasonably address any point made in this thread. Your only replies have been shitposting and ideological bullshit. You still haven't moved past your failure to differentiate people by motives other than a monistic abstraction as what one commonly refers to as "Islam", with zero authentic understanding of any foreign elements, solely basing your views on Western indoctrination through the media.

The joke's on you though, because the people in Egypt generally don't want to come to Europe. They want to be left alone and prosper in their own nation. And if you had paid ANY attention whatsoever at what info I provided you with here, you could have seen that as well.


8b7d44 No.507435

>>507434

<North Africa was Christian and then the Moslems conquered it, and now it's Moslem with the odd Christian minority here and there. Are these facts or propaganda? Answer with a simple yes or no!

This is the question you've failed to address all this time.


abe2a8 No.507437

File: 4a740e35f8269fa⋯.jpg (167.62 KB, 620x628, 155:157, 35ad458c7edd7a7da1e5510195….jpg)

>>507435

Did you even read what I wrote? These people have been there even 4300 years ago, when neither Christianity nor Islam have been in existence. Their culture, their language, their traditions, their values and what makes each of the many ethnic and cultural groups there unique has been around for longer than those religions you obsess about. And as opposed to our West (America & Europe), they have lived isolated enough and kept their traditions largely alive, so to be conquered by neither Christianity nor Islam and still retaining their original lifestyle and values.

Can you say the same? No you can't. The West has submitted to Christian dogma, fucking our continent for centuries, while places like the Orient, SE-Asia, China or Mesoamerica were experiencing much higher states of civilization and academia. And without any understanding of other cultures, past or present, you now shit your ideological crap all over the thread, since that is the only thing you ever had any proficiency at. You know not a single foreign person, yet you assume that you're capable of making any statement whatsoever about them.

The people being described as "aryan" as you put it were Tuareg, not Egyptians. You didn't pay attention, once again. The articles above relate to the indigenous people of the Maghreb, not Egypt. But then again, why would I expect you to know the difference in the first place.


c326ed No.507439

File: 6bc784332ba9841⋯.gif (8.8 KB, 363x323, 363:323, christian dark ages myth g….gif)

>>507437

Wew you are unbelievably fucking retarded.


abe2a8 No.507444

File: 361c8355b2f579b⋯.jpg (84.32 KB, 700x398, 350:199, An_attempt_to_depict_the_c….jpg)

>>507439

>making an argument

>you failed at it

That graphic is also wrong. Scientific understanding of matters advanced in some forms, but was lost in others. Matters of daily application improved, so did military technologies. Other things, such as those relating to cosmology (calendars, astronomy, etc.) declined, as did historical understanding. The Babylonians i.e. could calculate the movement of Jupiter, using geometrical methods that were only recognized in the recent years, since our "modern" astronomers and orientalists lack the understanding to clearly identify what they are even dealing with when finding ancient texts. In order to translate texts, you also need to recognize the content, you can't simply translate word for word.

http://gizmodo.com/this-babylonian-astronomy-text-changes-history-1755458324

Furthermore, much of Greek advancement was lost due to Christianity and only survived in Arabic manuscripts.

>The Almagest was preserved, like most of Classical Greek science, in Arabic manuscripts (hence its familiar name).

>His Optics is a work that survives only in a poor Arabic translation and in about twenty manuscripts of a Latin version of the Arabic, which was translated by Eugene of Palermo (c. 1154).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy

So no matter how you turn it, you can't ignore the importance of Oriental (Arabic and beyond) influences on "Western" development, especially since the Greek advances were later smashed to pieces by Christian influence.

And no, the Egyptians were not the first civilization in this chain, as suggested by the graph. Limiting this development to 1000 BCE is a joke, if one was to take that serious it would be an insult.

The Egyptians trace their origin back to Ta-Ur, the land to the East. That is Mesopotamia, modern Iraq. There you have Babylon, aka Babilim, the "Gate of the Lofty Ones", as well as the big empires of the Persian and Akkadian civilizations, all coming AFTER the Sumerians bringing the first high civilization into that place, but as I said no historian today has a conclusive explanation as to how they got there.

Yet before that, the Harappan civilization predated these, since India is most likely the first high civilization of the "recent" human history, with that I mean the past 100.000 years. Africa shows vast gold mining, the South American area also provides some interesting ancient sites. Yet India has written accounts describing these areas and has not completely been corrupted by Christian or other Abrahamitic influences, as those others have been.


8b7d44 No.507445

File: a61db3f5763d8c7⋯.jpg (89.68 KB, 600x578, 300:289, ぺぺ.jpg)

File: a10750e9fd0f7c9⋯.jpg (283.2 KB, 992x1104, 62:69, science_and_liberals.jpg)

File: e0ffe1fb97cae65⋯.jpg (123.15 KB, 2048x911, 2048:911, scientific_advancement_ful….jpg)

>>507437

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Maghreb_Union

>The Arab Maghreb Union (AMU); Arabic: ‎‎ Ittiḥād al-Maghrib al-‘Arabī) is a trade agreement aiming for economic and future political unity among Arab countries of the Maghreb in North Africa. Its members are the nations of Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco and Tunisia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Arab_League

>The Arab League (Arabic: ‎‎ al-Jāmiʻah al-ʻArabīyah), formally the League of Arab States (Arabic: ‎‎ Jāmiʻat ad-Duwal al-ʻArabīyah), is a regional organization of Arab countries

>>507439

>posting the wrong graph


ecd262 No.507446

File: a43d2a373c8e1fc⋯.jpg (24.7 KB, 322x468, 161:234, laughing_bedouin.jpg)

File: d300d12a90b5751⋯.jpeg (94.38 KB, 960x960, 1:1, 1469206027949-4.jpeg)

>>507437

Actually, I know you're full of shit because I know several tuaregs, all of them dark as fuck arabs.

Oh, and they're muslim too, so there goes "muh ancient religious practices".

I have no idea why you're trying to suck the dick of islam in your last couple of posts so hard.

Maybe to find some solace in germany being flooded with muslims? So you can scream to them how they're the real aryans as they rape your women and shit on your streets?

I think the crux of your problem is that you seem to equate early human offshoots before aryans where even a thing with the master race.

Berbers, Tuaregs and a whole bunch of other assorted mountain people share some genetic similarities with aryans, largely because they mixed with northern peoples moving south around the time of the ice age and then genetically stagnated.

They're about as aryan as ancient egyptians, they share DNA that aryans evolved from, but they are very far from the same thing.


8b7d44 No.507447

File: 0a53c7e213a981e⋯.png (282.01 KB, 317x1442, 317:1442, Finno-Korean_Hyperwar_Info.png)

>>507444

> no historian today has a conclusive explanation as to how they got there.

They are a bunch of hobos who fled there to shelter themselves from the Finno-Korean Hyperwar.


abe2a8 No.507449

File: d1f1393317332d2⋯.jpg (677.38 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, 5cf95634786357.56dde53e42f….jpg)

>>507445

We already went over the cultural and ethnic composition of the Maghreb region. I already have proven you wrong that the indigenous people like the "berbergs" are "weird minorities", when in fact they pose the majority of many areas in these countries. I also have proven you wrong that these are "Arabic", when they're of only about 25% Arabic, 25% European and 50% indigenous descent. If you had paid attention, you'd not have to confuse ethno-cultural and national denominations.

Again, you fail to make an argument.

>>507446

A Nederlander making statements about Germany being flooded by foreigners, my sides have left the solar system. Thank you.

I've been regularly to the NL and I've seen just as many Africans, Turkish and Arab people in your streets as I have seen inbred white people. If anyone in this thread can make no case for racial conservation, it's your ultra-cucked country that both politically and ethnically advances multiculturalism faster than any other nation on Earth. In Germany you "at least" have racists that complain about it, the Netherlands is completely sedated about the whole issue and doesn't even admit if there's a problem. It's about 5% less cucked than Sweden, only featuring a little less feminists and having the "b-but they're from former colonies!" excuse, which also makes a part of the immigrants Indonesian, who are 90% Muslim, yet still Asians.

>>507447

Your futile attempts at being funny don't cover your lack of understanding regarding historical developments. Developments that are recorded, preserved and somewhat understood in other cultures, yet not in your own. Schools all over the West focus on the Graeco-Roman and Christian history, mostly ignoring or absurdly over-simplifying earlier human history, while paying little attention to areas outside the Mediterranean areas.

This has been criticized by literally everyone on this planet, although unknown to uneducated people such as yourself. When it comes to libraries and the way they organize their books, there are a few major systems at work. One of these, the Dewey Decimal Classification, is based on Leibniz attempt to classify all of human knowledge. It does however provide little use for foreign libraries, as it comes from a purely Western/Christian perspective. Thereby it fails the attempt to collect all of human knowledge, merely allowing for a classification of Western works on things well known to our Western academia already.

Anything going beyond that can often not clearly or precisely be sorted, making the work even harder. And since every foreign topic is practically worked on only by specialists who often fail to completely understand the pieces they work on, there is very few conclusions drawn that connect the various specified fields, let alone align with the indigenous accounts we still have left and access to.


c326ed No.507456

Wew spergkraut is back with a vengeance. I wonder if German essay assignments have word count caps instead of word count minimums


ecd262 No.507459

File: e574af6b4fe3c87⋯.png (385.08 KB, 500x628, 125:157, 1451341761896.png)

File: 674993fd9950805⋯.jpg (42.16 KB, 640x469, 640:469, deutsche_polizei_graue_wol….jpg)

>>507449

Our country isn't asking for millions of muds to flood europe, that was all you guys, and as far as our former colonies are concerned, there was never much of a demand for slaves back in our homeland, already too densely populated with farmers, we mostly just moved them around colonies and sold em to the yanks.

Not to mention that indonesians are a hell of a lot more civilized and able to adapt to dutch culture then the turks america forced down your throat after you became their vassal state.

Oh, and of the indonesians that came over, most of them where working for the dutch, usually the better educated, christian part of the country because they where forced to flee after their government literally kicked them out.

Cry about how Netherlands is completely cucked, yet our anti-migrant party became the second biggest in last election, with the first place going to another right wing party that might be bankercucks but don't particularly want to take in migrants either.

How is your AfD doing? I hear the socialists are going to take the reigns from Merkel again.

And socially dutch are a lot more outspoken about matters of race, both in person, and in media, Hans Teeuwen, probably our countries most well known comedian absolutely despises Islam for instance and is well known for these views, in germany you would be crucified by the media for stepping out of line like that.

I have been to your country quite a couple times as well, and if there's anything I've learned it's how brainwashed your people are, never questioning the narrative, always apologizing for everything and recoiling in fear if they hear anything that might be considered "racist".

Not that you should expect anything else for a country that's still littered with US bases and forced into a constant state of guilt about the 6 gorillion.

And you keep going on about all this hidden knowledge from the east we just down know about because our racist focus on roman and greeks.

I imagine this is also where you draw your rediculous obsession with the ayyyys coming over here and mine gold for sweet bling n shiieet from.

Let me tell you about the Bhagavat Ghita, the Egyptian book of the Dead or Enkidu's mystical fucking journey with the ayys, they're all largely religious drivel.

We don't have their equivalents to Plini the Elder or Herodotes, people that where actually trying to record history for practical purposes (and even then often got it wrong because they where recording second hand information), these ancient texts of mystical wisdom from the east you love so much where mostly religious doctrine and "visions" by priests and prophets high off their arse on mushrooms, alcohol or anything else they could get their hands on to give their lives some meaning.

Most recorded history starts at the romans because they where one of the few civilizations that saw the value of trying to accurately record shit for practical purposes and we actually still have a lot of their works.

Not because muh evil conspiracy to hide the ancient berber kangz civilization because whitey racist and want to make himself look big.


48ccbf No.507460

>>507456

I wonder if he is actual spergkraut or just a regular German. He hasn't been screaming and shitting himself about Americans or lolbergs enough for me to think he is the true Spergkraut, and I highly doubt Spergkraut would be defending nonwhites, or even non-Germans


c326ed No.507461

>>507460

The eternal spergkraut


abe2a8 No.507463

File: c93df6a5f43933b⋯.jpg (107.2 KB, 565x720, 113:144, 196174216674_1015165509357….jpg)

>>507456

>>507460

>>507461

Who is this supposed spergkraut? You have proven beyond a doubt that you're only thinking in ridiculously abstracted categories and medial memes, so it's no wonder that I'm classified as well under such useless imaginations instead of taken literally.

>>507459

>that was all you guys

The Nederkanker is mad, why was I anticipating this. I see a great many people in Germany who follow the Rhetoric of Hugger and Murricans and though I disagree with them you can't but call that a resistance to immigration, which does come with its problems. The mistake these people now make, as explained dozens of times already, is that they accuse all Muslims of being one and the same and having the goal of fucking up Europe/the West by migration. Something which is mostly forced by their own governments, not by Muslims, or even most Muslim immigrants. It's a shitshow of propaganda, with barely anyone understanding the problem anymore.

However, these fuckwits in the post above do argue against immigration and so do many people in Germany. I have not seen anything similar when I was in the Netherlands. You can't deny the fact that you have more foreigners present in your cities than it is the case in Germany. True, some cities in NRW (which is the most Ghetto Bundesland anyways, with highest crime rates, etc. even without taking Eastern European or other foreign immigrants into account) have significant foreigner and criminal percentages. However, neither these cities, nor the country as a whole celebrates and glorifies that. The attempts at using this politically here in Germany are rather distractions than open lies, as they are in the NL. And neither have I met a migrant in Germany that didn't speak acceptable German, however many of the migrants in the NL speak neither Dutch nor English.

So don't come me with your ridiculous excuses. I'm the one defending intercultural contacts, so why do I have to remind you, the critics of immigration, that your country is much more subject to foreign immigration than Germany is? Why do I have to push you into the truth that you yourself need in order to fight against it? You're not only a piss poor discussant, you also lie to yourself and others in order to cling to that illusion of control and superiority over others. You're a joke, Nederboy. And having Comedians that make fun of Islam is not going to change that.

>And you keep going on about all this hidden knowledge

You can't even address my arguments correctly. If you are so well educated on the matter, why make such absurd abstractions? Why not argue to the point? Because you can't and have no knowledge of what you (and I) are talking of.

>Let me tell you about the Bhagavat Ghita, […] they're all largely religious drivel.

There does not even exist a term similar to religion in the cultures this literature originates from. As I said before, you project your Christian teachings into other cultures, assuming a priori to know everything and not even having to examine what you are talking about. The Hugger did the same, assuming pure belief and lip service would make one a Muslim, when that does only work in Christianity.

>these ancient texts […] mostly religious doctrine and "visions" by priests and prophets high off their arse

Again you are speculating, dismissing everything they wrote which you can't imagine or explain and agree with as fiction. You are hopelessly arrogant, just as Plato was when he went to Egypt and was getting #rekt by the high priests for assuming Atlantis was a fictional city.

>one of the few civilizations that saw the value of trying to accurately record shit for practical purposes

What an outright lie and disinformation. The Sumerians thousands of years ago already recorded every tid-bit of shit. They had a fucking massive bureaucracy. The reason people focus on Romans is simply because they are relatively close, we have lots of archaeological sites on European soil and we know about them, since a number of cultures are still largely influenced by them. Plus they created Christianity, thus it requires little change in thought to study them.

I urge you to search for the masses of texts the Sumerians created in everyday life to keep track of things. Every package of grains and other goods was accompanied by a seal giving specific details about what the content was, who was the sender, the receiver, prices, taxes and much more: http://cdli.ucla.edu/


abe2a8 No.507464

You are talking out of your fucking ass. But that is irrelevant to scientific work, since science does rely on objective testing of information, not on shitposters who jerk off ideologically on some obscure internet forum. Sanskrit literature has been used in the past to produce scientific results, whether you know and acknowledge it or not.

http://insa.nic.in/writereaddata/UpLoadedFiles/IJHS/Vol29_4_6_NGDongre.pdf

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Infrared-transparent-glass-ceramic-as-per-ancient-V-K/08d372d71ada2e8d6001ced9b87b5fbeb5b4a69c


15ed15 No.507465


abe2a8 No.507466

>>507465

>making a point

>failing at it

>(You)


9af565 No.507474

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>506850

Lass dir mal was von Ivan sagen.


abe2a8 No.507475

>>507474

Ivan interessiert mich nicht.


9af565 No.507476

>>507475

Klar. Geh dich ficken du schwuler Knecht, du Opfer.


abe2a8 No.507477

>>507476

Mehr hätte ich auch nicht erwartet.


ef4c3a No.507487

File: a538094a627f83f⋯.jpg (88.81 KB, 960x960, 1:1, Nieuw Ankaradam.jpg)

Andere Kanker, or have I gone metastatic?

>>507463

>Who is this supposed spergkraut?

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

>The Nederkanker is mad

Of course the Nederkanker is mad. His country is usurped by alternating Red and brown waves of malignant parasites intent on destroying everything his grandfather built. Which, at the very least, your hands aren't clean in, as a nation.

Why aren't you mad about your grandfather's legacy? Is it because he has none, but what was stolen from the Greeks?

>The mistake these people now make, as explained dozens of times already, is that they accuse all Muslims of being one and the same and having the goal of fucking up Europe/the West by migration.

#NotAll.

I don't know where you get your anecdotes from, but it must be a wonderful place. Like yourself, I too am an enlightened gentleman 'defending intercultural contacts', so how come mine are different? Amizghen are a confused and confusing people, especially the exodus that ended up around these parts. In my experience you've it all twisted; They pay lip service all-right, but it's to their cultural roots. Having met many a kebab-merchant in my days, I can count the ones who chose tradition over a life pretending to be a B-grade Arab on the mangled stump of an arm that the Shariah courts left me with.

Few take any real interest, fewer still openly declare themselves apostate. And sure, they forego the hijaab, or at least the dogmatic enforcement of it. But then in the same breath as making a half-hearted disavowment of Daesh he will tell you why; Six of his cousins went to fight the good fight and didn't fight so good. Anecdotes are fun, aren't they? I wish I was a getting paid a shekel for this post, Mehmoud.

>I have not seen anything similar when I was in the Netherlands.

Where did you go; for how long; in what context?

Your characterisations of the uniform glorification of our urban centres is at best misinformed. Outside of these cities themselves, people are quite aware and open about their distaste of these cities. A large part of their inhabitants have no roots there, polderfaggots coming for the Semitic indoctrination and staying for the degeneracy. Between them and immigrants creating completely insular communities, social cohesion is kill.

Local politics, even in the worst of our urban areas, has a small but vocal opposition to immigration and the changing social landscape. Even watching state-sponsored television, you will come across people lamenting the effective murder of the neighbourhood they grew up in, and running on a ticket consisting mostly of “Fuck off, we're full” in an attempt to turn this ship right the fuck around – as if it wasn't being boarded by Berbery pirates already, it's crew resigned to slavery.

>And having Comedians that make fun of Islam is not going to change that.

>You can't even address my arguments correctly.

ET TV, KRAVT?

Are you familiar with Hans Teeuwen, at all? The man has a rather long history of clashing with Islam, which isn't just limited to comedy per se, either. Beyond that he was a good friend to the late Theo van Gogh, famous for, amongst other things, getting shot eight times in broad daylight, having his neck slit with a kukri, and subsequently having a death threat to Ayaan Hirsi Ali pinned to his chest with a kitchen knife.

Fun fact, several bystanders reportedly told him “You can't do this”, to which he replied “I can, and now you know what awaits the rest of you.”

Mohammed Bouyeri, Moroccan born to Berber parents; born and raised in Amsterdam; in a Riffian-speaking household.

Such a gud boi dindu nuffin.


80f76d No.507497

I'm not sure why you guys keep fighting him, he doesn't even know the spergkraut meme so it's obvious he's not from here.

Also

>(71)

Holy shit.


abe2a8 No.507508

File: 51a8be8890ffcd2⋯.jpg (1.66 MB, 3840x2160, 16:9, 1468085568172.jpg)

>>507487

>Why aren't you mad

Because I developed enough understanding of the world to realize that I have no influence on events before my birth, nor do I have to feel determined by those myself. Sure, both genetics and environment shape a person, but in the end you make decisions yourself. And as long as you don't trick yourself into believing you have to act a certain way because "reasons", you can always surpass that which you think goes wrong. Nietzsche gave a perfect example of that, stating that it would be a shame if one was related to ones parents in character. It would be a stagnation of development. Traditionalism always bears the risk of expressing itself that way. It's something many right wing people criticize in Jews, for example.

>Few take any real interest, fewer still openly declare themselves apostate.

You can always call out the fakes. I never spoke out against that, in fact I mentioned it earlier that one should be able to identify who a person actually is and work with that. Unless a person advocates or practices violence, I have no problem. It's not my fucking business to play "Sharia police", it's ironic that this term works both ways here. And I dislike all Abrahamic religions, it's not about the ideology but the people. They have rights and if people ride a propaganda wave to collectively incriminate people who haven't done what they are accused of, then I will defend these people. And when these people do something which they are guilty of, then I will criticize them. It's a very, very simple concept.

>Where did you go; for how long; in what context?

Mostly the Brabant area, Maastricht, etc. For several weeks at a time, multiple times a year over the span of about 3 years for vacation.

>Your characterisations of the uniform glorification of our urban centres is at best misinformed.

You step out of the train at the station and there is foreign people everywhere. You go into a shopping center, there's foreign people everywhere. You go into a restaurant (most of them fast food or foreign) and there's foreign people everywhere. You go to Mediamarkt, and there's foreign people everywhere. Don't lie to me boy, everyone can verify that. Don't make me find a city cam of any Dutch city.

The only criticism I ever found was the zwarte piet joke on Christmas that people complained about for being racist. When some Muslim militants weapon cache was found in some city, neither the police nor the media really gave a fuck. The reaction I observed was "well, shit happens". Out of the dozens of white Dutch people I spoke to, none were showing any awareness for such issues. They tended to be wrapped up in political correct candy cotton or simply not pay attention to it at all.

>ET TV, KRAVT?

A single comedian/critic of Islam does not define a whole nations attitude towards a real or perceived problem. Nor do these cases you name apply to all migrants. I wonder what is so complicated in applying regular jurisdiction to migrants just as we do to indigenous people. If someone commits a crime, persecute them. I myself am a proponent of the death sentence in clear cases. People murder? Kill them. People rape? Kill them. People make false rape accusations? Kill them as well. People beat up someone? Kill them. They're underage? Kill them. I'd never protect someone disrespecting others right for life, health and freedom.

>>507497

> it's obvious he's not from here.

If by "here" you mean /pol/, then you're right. /k/ was much less political years ago, it went to shit on halfchan and was good on here for maybe a year, now it's just a fucking joke. /pol/ is the cancer that has killed imageboards.


c6e80d No.507517

File: 50d78ee31812679⋯.gif (1.1 MB, 360x203, 360:203, 1424215713191.gif)

>>507487

>Of course the Nederkanker is mad. His country is usurped by alternating Red and brown waves of malignant parasites intent on destroying everything his grandfather built.

>I don't know where you get your anecdotes from, but it must be a wonderful place. Like yourself, I too am an enlightened gentleman 'defending intercultural contacts', so how come mine are different? Amizghen are a confused and confusing people, especially the exodus that ended up around these parts. In my experience you've it all twisted; They pay lip service all-right, but it's to their cultural roots. Having met many a kebab-merchant in my days, I can count the ones who chose tradition over a life pretending to be a B-grade Arab on the mangled stump of an arm that the Shariah courts left me with.

Toothpaste is bringing the heat tonight.


abe2a8 No.507522

File: 9645373756f35a1⋯.jpg (423.33 KB, 1024x770, 512:385, 1498920535559.jpg)

>>507517

>Toothpaste is bringing the heat tonight.

Barely so, if one actually understands what he is saying. Such as:

>Amizghen are a confused and confusing people

and

>I can count the ones who chose tradition over a life pretending to be a B-grade Arab on the mangled stump of an arm that the Shariah courts left me with.

Yet the Maghreb countries, where Berbers (Amizghen) live, only implemented Sharia law for personal issues, not for criminal ones. So by his own statement he would have to be a Muslim in order for Sharia law to affect him at all. And even our secular nations in Europe still have churches and Christian institutions involved in marriage, baptism, etc. which only affect the ones adhering to that religion. Fuck, Germany has two religious parties (CDU & CSU), something that should not even be allowed in a secular nation.

But go on, keep the indifference growing. It's not like one could seriously expect any ideological victim here to understand what he's talking about.

Oh, some more interesting things…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_world

>Frishkopf: 61: "No universally accepted definition of 'the Arab world' exists, but it is generally assumed to include the twenty-two countries belonging to the Arab League that have a combined population of about 280 million (Seib 2005, 604). For the purposes of this introduction, this territorial definition is combined with a linguistic one (use of the Arabic language, or its recognition as critical to identity), and thereby extended into multiple diasporas, especially the Americas, Europe, Southeast Asia, West Africa, and Australia."

Compared with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

If it is Islam and not (geographically) "Arab" culture, why are 3/4 of the non-Arabic Muslims not migrating into Europe to destroy our culture?


54d75c No.507525

>>507497

because he is easily provoked into saying the most retarded shit


abe2a8 No.507526

File: 76acc90cba1b94e⋯.jpg (61.67 KB, 608x608, 1:1, 12348120_1689432154610378_….jpg)

>>507525

>herp derp avoiding to address arguments


ecd262 No.507528

File: 278de5c453ef7a0⋯.jpg (13.51 KB, 468x263, 468:263, media_xl_1778501.jpg)

File: 4245b982e056d1e⋯.jpg (199.95 KB, 595x643, 595:643, 4245b982e056d1e0db64d87fff….jpg)

>>507463

>ive been to some big cities in your country and theres brown people

Yeah, no shit, same thing is true for Germany, however, over here far less of our population is concentrated in cities (and we don't even have a city with over 1 million pop.), because pretty much the entire country is habitable.

Almost like big cities attract immigrants and cucks, really makes you think.

I've seen some of your muslim ghettos in Frankfurt, Köln, München, we got nothing on the size of your (((DIVERSITY))) fam.

Wherever you may live, the idea that those 2 million+ migrants mutti Merkel brought in are already speaking acceptable german (if any beyond ficken and gelt) is absolutely laughable, guess what, so do the ones around where I live because we don't live next to a godamn asylum centre.

And I brought up our highly racist comedian purely as an example of something that can not exist in your country, ofcourse you completely miss the point and just start autistically screaming about how it doesn't prove anything.

Pic related by the way, a screenshot of him talking on state run television stations about his hatred for islam.

And if germany really was as racist as you claim, why does this not translate in your political polls either?

>You can't even address my arguments correctly.

Your arguments are based on fiction, you shout about ancient african goldmines and peruvian temples somehow proving someone was kangz, and then expect everyone to read your PDF's that totally are not written by mud people in highly corrupt countries well known for academical fraud, but we'll get to that.

You can't seriously expect to claim these things without people ridiculing you.

>you project your Christian teachings into other cultures, assuming a priori to know everything and not even having to examine what you are talking about

I've read a bunch of these ancient texts, including the Bhagavat Ghita, which largely describes mythical stories of godly war in fancy chariots and a shitload of doctrine on ethical and practical life lessons.

You know, pretty much the same shit as any other major religious book.

>Again you are speculating just as Plato was when he went to Egypt and was getting #rekt by the high priests for assuming Atlantis was a fictional city

Probably not the best example to use when Atlantis is still considered fictional, but I'm sure you have a PDF and coordinate somewhere in the antarctic to show me how ignorant I was in not acknowleding our Atlantean kangz.

>The Sumerians thousands of years ago already recorded every tid-bit of shit. They had a fucking massive bureaucracy.

Their language is poorly understood with a fairly low amount of people who can decipher it.

And the texts that are supposed to prove your ayyycient aliens are in fact mostly religious and mythical texts, not their meticulously recorded grain data.

Historically you run into problems with the Sumerians as well, because they loved embellishing battles and making up stories about defeating great demons and communing with their gods that have no practical purposes to historians whatsoever, sifting fact from fiction is a lot more difficult then with Romans.

Continued because this post can not contain all of my autism.


ecd262 No.507529

>a fucking pdf about ayyyycient spectrometers made by a paki so irrelevant he can not be found by googling

Now, let me start by saying that the validity of this mans claims are completely unprovable unless you want to learn ancient sanskrit and India is well known for academic fraud, and that the mans introduction starts with how he found that the indians kangz knew about the big bang and the creation of our solar system because he found some ancient passage with vaguely resembles it.

You're dealing with a biased historian here, the worst kind of historian.

Assuming that what this man claims is all completely true though, the version of the text he's working on seems to date from 700-800 AD, not really ayyycient, the mythical sage who is supposed to have written it is supposed to date to 1000BC, but a bunch of texts written in his name have been written by later scholars from the same school (similar to how the stories in the new testament where written).

Even with that caveat, mechanically the device is less complex then some of the mechanical contraptions the greeks made.

They do some interesting things with alchemy, which they where pretty good at and with the vast empire the invading aryans ruled having access to a lot of alchemical ingredients was only natural.

Nothing however was groundbreaking and considering a large part of their culture and religion revolved around color (caste system, chakras, etc.) them doing some research on the nature of light is no more logical then christian scholars obsession with turning lead into gold or where the center of our solar system was.

This is literally the same tier of science that says that Muhammad totally knew about the refraction of light because of some obscure passage refers to light breaking in water, while conveniently forgetting how the sun is supposed to sink down into a pool of mud every night.

>>507508

>muh /pol/ boogeyman

What a surprise, the kraut is a commie.


54d75c No.507530

File: 3de5d1001cd1018⋯.jpg (55.52 KB, 475x274, 475:274, 3de5d1001cd10185facd6afd55….jpg)

>>507526

reddit: the post


54d75c No.507532

>>507529

>What a surprise, the kraut is a commie.

you couldnt tell 40 posts ago when he exposed his fedora?


ecd262 No.507535

File: 08145fcb014a847⋯.png (56.13 KB, 666x666, 1:1, fa028aac772c7d26250780b067….png)

>>507532

I wish I remembered if I even read back that far, but it's all just one big blur of autism.


7e91a2 No.507538

>>507439

Seeing that German retard try to seriously analyze this graph was the highlight of my night. His failure to make the connection with the other two pics in >>507445 and >>507447 only made it better.


abe2a8 No.507541

File: 82b15c9fd9c2648⋯.jpg (113.98 KB, 800x931, 800:931, 800px-Islam_in_Netherlands.jpg)

>>507528

>same thing is true for Germany

See pic related. And we're working with percentages here, so saying there's less people in your country thus less migrants is ridiculous, since a ratio of X:Y stays the same even when working with smaller groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany#Immigrant_population_in_Germany_by_country_of_birth

Also compare it with Austria or Spain, which have even higher numbers than Sweden, yet are better off. So one can call into question your alleged causality.

>already speaking acceptable german

Funny, because if you were informed you'd know that in foreign countries the German departments are placing advertisements that people should not move to Germany, since immigration is a tedious process where most people are likely to be rejected and they're better off in their home country. Large white posters with information. Also, show me the German supporting Merkel for her immigration policies. I know none.

>And if germany really was as racist as you claim, why does this not translate in your political polls either?

Google Wahlbetrug. Also people vote for other issues than migration. Which could be seen as proof that we have bigger issues in our country than migrants, opposed to what you describe.


ecd262 No.507542

>>507538

It's admirable how much you've been able to accomplish with so little.

Falling for a troll graph is one thing, but desperately trying to convince you of the validity of his argument after you gave someone the equivalent of an upvote gives a peek into his psyche that I would honestly have preferred to not know.


abe2a8 No.507543

File: 432f326abaa8a65⋯.jpg (134.45 KB, 685x409, 685:409, Religion im Altertum.jpg)

>Your arguments are based on fiction

That would have to be determined first.

>expect everyone to read your PDF's that totally are not written by mud people in highly corrupt countries

I expect you to read scientific articles of scientists, yes. If you find flaws in them, tell me. If their methods lacked, tell me. If their reasoning is unsound, tell me. If their data was manipulated, show me. Science is a debate, you are free to add your educated view on the topic. If you have one, that is.

>You can't seriously expect to claim these things without people ridiculing you.

This is why most people working on these matters don't discuss them publicly, at least here in the West.

>I've read a bunch of these ancient texts, including the Bhagavat Ghita […] You know, pretty much the same shit as any other major religious book.

The Gita is part of a genre called Itihasa, which translates into "so truly it has been", aka "history". It is not a work of fiction. The same goes for the Ramayana and the rest of the Mahabharata.

As for similarities with "other major religious books", you'd a) have to name them and b) have to quote them, though I agree with you that these stories of flying crafts by other people are common.

>4I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6but each of them had four faces and four wings.

>16This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel.

>22Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome. 23Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty,b like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.

>25Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

>This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.

>Atlantis is still considered fictional

By who? It does not matter what one says or thinks, but how he comes to that conclusion. You could have learned that in first year math class if you'd paid attention.

Dwarka and Kish were considered to be fictional as well, so were Babylon, Uruk and many other cities of the ancient world.

>Their language is poorly understood with a fairly low amount of people who can decipher it.

That is correct, not many people are proficient enough to translate. Ironically, many professors teach the language when being incapable of translating it correctly. I happen to have known one of about 6 people who are proficient in translating it though and verified my views extensively.

>And the texts that are supposed to prove your ayyycient aliens are in fact mostly religious and mythical texts, not their meticulously recorded grain data.

And this is where you are wrong. Because a) there is no concept of religion in ancient cultures, as I said before that idea did not exist back then. Even mainstream historians admit that religion in ancient cultures consisted mainly of the ritual, the communication with the "gods" and an individual faith was practically non-existing, see pic related.

And the authority of the Din.Gir was constantly present in historic and bureaucratic texts, also in contracts, laws, sciences, political affairs, etc. If you would read the texts you can find in the CDLI, ETCSL, etc. you'd know that.


15ed15 No.507546

>>507466

Islam castrated its male slaves, and raped the females, well, actually both yet you're acting like they're the same cultures. Seen a lot of Vandals in North Africa lately? Have you seen a lot of Egyptians that look like Cleopatra? Ever notice that the classic Greeks are described commonly as red-headed or blonde? Is that common now?

The last thing Germany needs is another eunuch going on about how these ancient societies just got along with Islam. They didn't. You only see the survivors, not the original. It's even more ironic that you're using the Tuareg as an example of that tolerance, when they are amongst the worst of the slaver lot.


abe2a8 No.507548

File: f6752c97f75544a⋯.jpg (235.71 KB, 892x590, 446:295, Justsaying.jpg)

>Historically you run into problems with the Sumerians as well, because they loved embellishing battles and making up stories about defeating great demons and communing with their gods that have no practical purposes to historians whatsoever, sifting fact from fiction is a lot more difficult then with Romans.

Bullshit, this proves beyond a doubt that you have no formal education on the matter. Jörg Fassbinder, German archaeologist, apparently found Uruk and the grave of Gilgamesh. He was surprised how accurate the city was similar to the description in the accounts. They too thought it was glorified and "made up", however it turned out to be exactly as described in the text. Why we never heard any further news about the Gilgamesh tomb? Well, I guess they did find him, being 1/3 human and 2/3 Anunna.

Also wrong, the Romans revered a celestial weapon that was sent from Mars:

>Nach dem ältesten Beleg in den Annalen des Dichters Ennius erhielt König Numa die Ancilia von seiner Beraterin oder Geliebten, der Quellnymphe Egeria (Ennius, Annalen 114). Spätere Quellen berichten dagegen, dass die Schilde im achten Jahr von Numas Herrschaft während einer Pestepidemie als göttliches Geschenk vom Himmel herabgeschwebt seien. Entsprechend bezeichnet sie der Historiker Livius als 'himmlische Waffen' (caelestia arma: Livius, Ab urbe condita 1.20.4).

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancile

Also, by what measure do you want to differ "fact from fiction" if you don't even understand what the language means, let alone have reliable criteria?

>the validity of this mans claims are completely unprovable unless you want to learn ancient sanskrit

You are unqualified, I already guessed that much.

>because he found some ancient passage with vaguely resembles it

You do understand the fact that ancient cultures spoke and wrote differently from us today, that we are talking about different languages and that civilizations of a higher stage likely have concepts that sound weird and intelligible to us? If you wanted to translate ancient Egyptian into English literally i.e. you'd end up with a garbled mess that makes no sense whatsoever, for they express things very differently than our language does.

So yes, if we find a notion of some scientific principle, it will be very unlikely that it has the same "form" that our current scientific literature uses.

>You're dealing with a biased historian here, the worst kind of historian.

Ad hominem, dismissed. And you already admitted to being unable to address his argument due to being unqualified for the topic.

>Assuming that what this man claims is all completely true though, the version of the text he's working on seems to date from 700-800 AD

>the mythical sage who is supposed to have written it is supposed to date to 1000BC, but a bunch of texts written in his name have been written by later scholars from the same school (similar to how the stories in the new testament where written).

Maharishi Bharadwaja was the consort of the current Manu, so we can precisely calculate when he was alive. When a text reaches circulation or is written down are two historic independent events from when a text is composed. Since the Shastras are not primarily composed or preserved on Earth, they can very well disappear or remain absent for long periods of times before (re)emerging.

We can ascertain the advanced contents of the Shastras by studying them and putting them into practice. That requires dealing with them first of course, which you already declared to have no interest in. And again you project your Christian ideas into other cultures.

>mechanically the device is less complex then some of the mechanical contraptions the greeks made

Then rejoice, there is ample description of materials for space crafts and many other machines in the Shastric works of Bharadwaja and others. Alloys that were unknown to us and have the exact properties as described in the text, which have been successfully reproduced in the laboratory, which by the way ascertains the authenticity of the scriptures.

>What a surprise, the kraut is a commie.

Feindbildprojektion at work, eh? Take a guess what liberals call me. Protip: It's not commie. :^)

>I wish I remembered if I even read back that far, but it's all just one big blur of autism.

Thanks for admitting that you neither read nor understand what I write about here.


abe2a8 No.507549

>>507546

>It's even more ironic that you're using the Tuareg as an example of that tolerance, when they are amongst the worst of the slaver lot.

Do I have to remind you what white settlers and Christian missionaries did all over the world, especially in the very nation you live in right now? What was the death toll to be estimated again? 100.000.000? Did they cut off noses and ears of people? Did they employ primitive forms of biological warfare? Did they attempt to trade land for glass pearls and alcohol?

That's not what Hitler would have defined as a "culture creating people". And it's certainly not what history tells about the Nordic people who first arrived in America.


c6e80d No.507555

File: 2e83d9cc534813a⋯.jpg (78.68 KB, 750x724, 375:362, 1492909732829 (1).jpg)

>Kraut is still pulling a "not all Muslims"

Like poetry


ecd262 No.507557

>>507541

I'm not saying there's less foreigners because we have less population, I'm saying we have less foreigners because less of our population is concentrated in the big cities that they make their home.

Migrants always cluster around large cities, the larger and more crime ridden, the better, especially if it's muslims.

And because we didn't take in as much in Merkels recent enrichment, a little over 100k while germany got over 2 million, with germany hovering around 80 million population and Holland 17 million, Merkel replaced around 3 percent of your population, while forcing us to replace less then 1 percent.

I'm not sure why Spain or Austria are supposed to be great examples, Spain is pretty fucked even if it doesn't get in the news very often and Austrias immigrant population consists of far more european immigrants, italians, slavs, people that are far more inclined to adapt to a similar culture then your average somali.

>oh were spreading ads that 3% of our population being replaced is enough for now

Sure thing Comrade Heinrich, we never asked for them to begin with.

And I'm sure that not supporting Merkel means so much when the only other party in your country that gets a significant amount of votes are the socialists who totally don't have importing more immigrants as their highest priority.

>were so culturally enlightened we dont worry about immigration

Yeah, that's the conditioning talking, don't forget to remember the 6 million before going to bed, goy, and don't vote AfD because you'll be just like Hitler.

I'm not googling Wahlbetrug or reading your massive wall of text beyond

ROMAN CELESTIAL WEAPON FROM MARS

because I don't have the time right now, at least until tonight.

And because I'm honestly doubting the there's any point in trying to debate

ROMAN CELESTIAL WEAPONS FROM MARS


abe2a8 No.507560

File: bd51e0d7921fba8⋯.jpg (70.1 KB, 613x594, 613:594, Gautama his grandgrandgran….jpg)

>>507554

>Merkel replaced

You don't replace if you add to a whole without subtracting anything. Dude, I get it, you're stoned as fuck, mad that some Muzzie knocked up your gf and need to let some steam off on the net at 7 in the morning. But please, get a job or ride your fiets.

>I'm not sure why Spain or Austria are supposed to be great examples

That happens when you don't take a look at the immigration statistics.

>And I'm sure that not supporting Merkel means so much when the only other party in your country that gets a significant amount of votes are the socialists who totally don't have importing more immigrants as their highest priority.

You could simply read the Parteiprogramm der Sozialdemokraten (SPD) and tell me what they think about immigration instead of speculating.

>Yeah, that's the conditioning talking, don't forget to remember the 6 million before going to bed, goy, and don't vote AfD because you'll be just like Hitler.

I don't vote AfD because I have actually read their Parteiprogramm and it's CDU 2.0 with tons of shitty policies for the upper class. It's a Bauernfänger. Also, I don't vote, since I am not a democrat, nor are any parties worth supporting.

>I'm not googling Wahlbetrug or reading your massive wall of text beyond ==ROMAN CELESTIAL WEAPON FROM MARS== because I don't have the time right now, at least until tonight.

>And because I'm honestly doubting the there's any point in trying to debate ==ROMAN CELESTIAL WEAPONS FROM MARS==.

Yeah, go buy your gf some shitty soft bread for breakfast before another day of cuckolding starts for you. And yes, it's absolutely useless to debate this with you, since you are unqualified, dishonest and not interested.

>>507555

Wasting trips on shitposting, what a shame.


9420a3 No.507562

Somehow I knew just by the OP that this thread would be an exceptionally autistic yet entertaining trainwreck.


30ecd2 No.507568

File: 7a5c09a8b4714e0⋯.jpg (18 KB, 366x380, 183:190, oh_shit_nigga.jpg)

>>507549

>What was the death toll to be estimated again? 100.000.000?

>bitches about other people being uninformed and uneducated

>ROMAN CELESTIAL WEAPONS FROM MARS

>muh 100 gorillion Injuns


abe2a8 No.507590

File: d104bafc4367a9b⋯.jpg (87.38 KB, 544x442, 16:13, That kid would like to hav….jpg)

>>507562

Thanks to you, since you didn't contribute anything besides calling people autistic or the thread a trainwreck, yet didn't address any arguments, didn't provide any sources, nor did anyone here refrain from insulting when he should have made a point. You're free to disagree, it's about the how. And from what I can see no one else here has anything to do with scientific work.

>>507568

>death toll to be estimated

>uninformed and uneducated

You do know what an estimation is, yeah? It's basically smart guessing. Depending on the premises it can be sound or unsound. We don't know how many people exactly died and depending on the newest findings, the estimations may be subject to change. Or can you name me a census of Indian people back from the day? Or a record of deaths? No you can't.

Now, as for the Sanskrit literature… it gives detailed statements one can scientifically check. Like very specific claims about metals and alloys:

>There are 3 kinds of metals named somaka, soundaalika, and mourthwika.

>By mixing them, 16 kinds of heat-absorbing metals are produced.

>Their names are ushnambhara, ushnapaa, ushnahana, raajaamlatrit,

veerahaa, panchaghna, agnitrit, bhaarahana, sheetahana, garalaghna,

amlahana, vishambhara, vishalyakrit, vijamitra and Vaatamitra etc.

>"Maanibhadra Kaarika," or "Dictas of Manibhadra," Says, "Metals which are

light, and are suitable for producing aeroplanes are 16. They are heat

absorbing, and should be used in the manufacture of aeroplanes."

>Saamba also says that the 16 metals formed by mixing the root metals,

soma, soundaala and mourthwika, are non-heat-conductors and are useful

for Vimanas. Their characteristics are now examined.

>In the 7th layer of the earth, in the third mine therein, metals of the Soma

series are found. They are of 38 kinds. Among them there are three from

which Ooshmalohas or heat resisting metals are to be extracted.

>"Lohatantra" or "Science of Metals" also says that in the 3rd section of the

7th layer of the earth, Metals of Souma class, possessed of 5 special

qualities, are called "beejalohas" or "root-metals".

>There are 3000 metal bearing layers within the earth. Of them 1300 layers

contain the better quality. In the 7th layer metals are of 27 types. The 3rd

type of metals are of five-fold qualities, and are known as root metals. The

origin of metals of the Soma class is thus described in "Lohakalpa.":

>"The gravity of the centre of the earth, the gravity of global earth, the solar

flood, the air force, the force emanating from the planets and stars, the

sun's and moon's gravitational forces, and the gravitational force of the

Universe, all together enter the layers of the earth in the proportion of 3, 8,

11, 5, 2, 6, 4, 9, and, aided by the heat and moisture therein, cause the

origin of metals, of various varieties, grades and qualities."

These are scientific statements, that means we can check them and we can either affirm them or falsify them. In fact, the very existence and nature of these statements already is highly indicative of an advanced understanding and if they are just remotely close to what we can find today (implying our findings are correct, that is) then we have evidence on hand.

>Yojananam Sahastra Dwe Dwe Shate Dwe Cha Yojane Aken Nimishardhena Krammana Namostute.

>In this hymn, the author pays respect to the one (apparently, the sunlight, and not the sun) who moves 2202 yojanas in half a nimish.

>Therefore, speed of the sunlight, according to the hymn is:

>c = 64432281 m/ 0.21333 s

>c = 302031036.422 m/s

https://www.quora.com/Did-Sayana-know-the-speed-of-light/answer/Sudheendra-Raghavendra

There is much more than these, but I won't make the work and refer them all here just so you can shit on them again. If I don't get a sensible response in form of arguments void of shitposting on this, I'll stop contributing.


125112 No.507616

>>507562

I'd honestly be more surprised if there wasn't a kraut defending the people that are destroying his country.


125112 No.507617

>>507590

>contributing

That's a funny way of putting it.


abe2a8 No.507625

>>507617

Literally every argument that is being ridiculed here was first stated by myself and backed with references, which graciously have been ignored. If we sort the posts in this thread by shitposting vs. backed arguments, none of your posts would remain.


e75e29 No.507643

>>505919

>being this much of a cuck

>>505926

>repeating what is basically the contents of /pol/ ancient Aryan threads

>okay with sub-human invaders destroying his culture and taking his women

The worst traitor is the one who knows he's a traitor. By the way, those ancient pajeets you keep talking about, they were white. Their remnants still exist in North India in a slightly diluted form despite Dravidian racemixing.

>>505932

>this will be my last reply to you

>replies

WEW

>>506400

What are you even talking about? The fact that Africans have no Neanderthal admixture is a fact based on genetic studies and has nothing to do with the kraut you just mentioned.

>>507625

>references

>a post on quora

>shitposting about ancient pajeet alloys

Krautism, not even once.


ecd262 No.507648

File: 57f0cc2ca8b84e1⋯.jpg (64.35 KB, 600x813, 200:271, 1469048820250.jpg)

File: e79420c9d7c1643⋯.png (135.63 KB, 640x436, 160:109, ddc127360af356bf0a1e03972f….png)

>>507590

Ok, let me just tell you why this entire post is fake news.

>garble garble muh 5 qualities root metal airplanes

Yeah, this is just all meaningless drivel, they might have been talking about some decent light weight alloys, AIRPLANE METAL is about the most nu-aged biased way to translate whatever it was in original sanskrit.

Just listing a bunch of sanskrit names doesn't help anyone unless you're going to tell us what these 5 qualities are that supposedly prove it's not just a shitty fanfic.

>muh 6 million earth layers getting penetrated by a random number generator

Yeah this is just beyond stupid, is this supposed to mean that the sun and moons gravitational forces enter the planets at a proportion of 4 to 9 from the gravitational force of the universe, which if you had ANY understanding of gravity you would know is completely and utterly horseshit.

Gravity is a rapidly dissipating force (inverse sqaure law with distance if im not mistaken) and where the gravity of the moon is actually capable of altering our tides, the universes gravity, centered largely around black holes like the one in the middle of our galaxy, do fuckall to our water.

>a quora link by some confused paki about how ancient indians knew the speed of light

Ok, this is where things get absolutely fucking absurd.

He's using Yoyana's and Nimish from some ancient source to get to the speed of light.

First off, the yojana has no single size because it kept changing with the centuries because these people appearantly can not into standardized measuring sizes, we're talking about a range from 5 to 9 miles.

Then, even if we take the kos as a way to get a standard measurement of a yojana, which is generous, the 8k feet in a kos that your quora paki uses is still incorrect, as wiki notes it at slightly over 10k ft.

So, despite his units of measurement already being wildly inaccurate, he's also just pulling numbers out of his ass to make his theory of curries in space work.

This is the problem with indian scientists, they're a bunch of lying street shitters that will do anything to further themselves and their image of being the worlds toilet.

>These are scientific statements

My sides left orbit at approximately 6 million kos per nimish.

Don't worry I'll get to your claims about roman celestial weapons soon.


ecd262 No.507650

File: 68825b3c9723d1d⋯.png (108 KB, 932x518, 466:259, 1467317415216-4.png)

>>507560

>an attempt at an insult using a left wing cuckold fantasy

It's funny how you people just keep on wanting to go there, truly the thinking mans fetish eh?

>That happens when you don't take a look at the immigration statistics.

I did, and explained to you that spain is a poverty ridden shithole anyway and that austria has much more western immigrants then germany, Turks rank as the third biggest immigrant population there, below germany and serbia, whereas they're numero uno in your country.

>the socialists will save us from the immigrants

Oh sweet summer child.


abe2a8 No.507651

File: b06cc314fd8326f⋯.jpg (129.73 KB, 479x720, 479:720, ajanta-ellora-0008.jpg)

>>507643

>repeating what is basically the contents of /pol/ ancient Aryan threads

Never been active on /pol/, so I can hardly copy any ideas from there.

>okay with sub-human invaders destroying his culture and taking his women

I already stated how I think about these things and that I don't associate myself with the people living in this nation, nor with people from other nations. I differentiate based on decisions, not nationality or similar factors that are not up to choice.

>The worst traitor is the one who knows he's a traitor.

To be able to commit treason you need to hide your intent to harm someone and play a friendly role towards him. I neither intend to harm anyone, nor do I act as if I was a friend of "Western" culture. I openly criticize the West and Muslims alike, so your accusation is a complete falsehood and sad grasp for a counter-argument.

>What are you even talking about?

I am talking about that the anthropological work you so vaguely draw your ideas from has been founded on fraud for decades and now must be completely (((revisioned))).

>references

>a post on quora

No, scientific articles from academics and quotes from source literature.

>Ok, let me just tell you why this entire post is fake news.

Just stop already. You have no qualification for linguistic or geological work. If you had read the available work on this literature you'd know that they found the exact equivalents for the names via lexica and Ayurveda terminology and that they reproduced laser absorbent lead-iron alloys, non-hygroscopic IR transparent glass and various heat resistant alloys for airplanes in the lab by using the exact formulae given in the text.

>muh 6 million earth layers getting penetrated by a random number generator

If you know better, feel free to conduct a scientific study of the matter and write a paper on it. Publish it and we can debate your findings. Until then, fuck off.

>First off, the yojana has no single size because it kept changing with the centuries

Irrelevant, if any of the used sizes works we have a relevant result. Furthermore, the measurements change on context as well.

>because these people appearantly can not into standardized measuring sizes

Ever heard of miles, tons, ounces and various other measurements used in the West? You're an ignorant fuckwit.

>as wiki notes it at slightly over 10k ft.

Using Wikipedia as a source to discredit a mathematical calculation based on literature you don't understand by your own admission. Just take the rope.

>So, despite his units of measurement already being wildly inaccurate

This is a lie.

>he's also just pulling numbers out of his ass to make his theory of curries in space work.

Another lie, you said yourself there are various sizes in historic use.

>This is the problem with indian scientists, they're a bunch of lying street shitters that will do anything to further themselves and their image of being the worlds toilet.

You don't know a single Indian scientist, nor are you one yourself. You're a shitposter on a fucking obscure imageboard, thinking he knows everything better.

I'm out.


e75e29 No.507654

>>507651

>Never been on /pol/

No shit, I was just making a point that the white supremacists you seem to hate so much regurgitate the exact same information. Since, you know, ancient high-caste Indians were white. Except you have been somehow using this same information to support an argument that western civilization is shit compared to your ancient mystical Ayys despite the reality that they were the same thing all along.

from a previous post of yours

>I personally have no problem in general with migrants

You're a cuck. It's funny too because you've been calling other people in this thread cucks and accusing them of being angry about muzzies impregnating their girlfriends. Meanwhile you're perfectly okay with this yourself. Hypocrisy.

>all claims to this theory are all based on a single guy's work who was a fraud and that's why it's bullshit

Except that's wrong and you're an idiot to think that your failed kraut is at all relevant.

https://phys.org/news/2016-10-europeans-africans-immune-neanderthals-partly.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110718085329.htm

Here are some real sources.

>scientific articles

What scientific articles? You have not posted any except for ones that show that pajeet scientists exist. By the way, wikipedia isn't a scientific article.

>using wikipedia to …

That wasn't even me you were replying to but again you're a fucking hypocrite. Just end yourself now.


ecd262 No.507656

File: 9fdad08ddb0b667⋯.jpg (12.58 KB, 480x302, 240:151, 9fdad08ddb0b6672df9ab9062e….jpg)

>>507543

>If you find flaws in them, tell me. If their methods lacked, tell me. If their reasoning is unsound, tell me.

I found glaring flaws in them, not least of which being a clearly biased (((scientist))) and most of this is literally not checkable because his source text comes from a museum in India and can not be found on the internet. Not to mention not being able to read ancient sanskrit.

>all stories of flying gods in hindu mythology are really history because they called them history

What a scholar.

>atlantis is totally real uguiz cuz the ancient egyptians kangz told me so

Yeah and when you're talking about cities like Babylon, where a bunch of independent sources talk about interacting with them, it's a bit more historically credible.

>there is no concept of religion in ancient cultures

Just because you believe your gods are real doesn't mean it's not a religion, does water not exist because fish don't have a name for it?

>sumerians used seals that where attributed to gods and this somehow proves they where real

If a christian king used in the name of god at the end of his letter, would you seriously believe it was god telling him to do that?

>>507548

>sumerian Uruk being accurately described means they didn't embellish battles or make up stories around their kings to make them look like gods and gilgamesh was proven ayyyy

Yeah, non sequitors really make your point.

>a krautquote about a shield granted by the gods which to you somehow translates to ANCIENT ROMAN INTERGALACTIC MARS WEAPONRY

When I read it earlier I really was hoping you had more then this crap.

>you need to learn ancient sanskrit to be able to see if theyre ayys

Yeah, no.

>Ad hominem, dismissed. And you already admitted to being unable to address his argument due to being unqualified for the topic.

And this is how I know you're not in any field of science whatsoever, a scientist who is desperately looking for a certain outcome, so much so that he can not even contain it in his foreword is completely useless.

>mahajari poopmypants was the consort of the indian version of Adam and the writings are kept on mars

Yeah trying to gain accurate dates from holy scriptures and mythical beings is likely to go about as well as christians believing in a 4000 year old earth.

And your claim of legitimacy on these things is based on them being housed off-planet to "re-emerge" every couple centuries?

>Alloys that were unknown to us and have the exact properties as described in the text which have been successfully reproduced in the laboratory,

Now if you have a pdf on that with some actual scientific data and sources, that might be interesting, but ofcourse I get the unsourced uncheckable one about some light measuring device.

>not a commie

Sure thing, you're just a social democrat, that is a completely different thing and not just communism for pussies.


abe2a8 No.507659

File: 9a0bded505ac0f1⋯.jpg (117.35 KB, 800x1068, 200:267, Indra,_Chief_of_the_Gods_L….jpg)

>>507656

>most of this is literally not checkable because his source text comes from a museum in India and can not be found on the internet.

You are a fucking joke and disgrace to the human race.

http://www.dli.ernet.in/handle/2015/102389

>Now if you have a pdf on that with some actual scientific data and sources, that might be interesting, but ofcourse I get the unsourced uncheckable one about some light measuring device.

Just to prove you wrong, from now on you're on your own. I hope you realize your arrogance some day and take your own life in shame.

Vymanika Shastra Rediscovered, 2001, by M.P. Rao

https://www.scribd.com/document/132712474/Vymanika-Shastra-Rediscovered

High Technology in Ancient Sanskrit Manuscripts, 2015, by C.S.R. Prabhu

http://www.academia.edu/5421900/HIGH_TECHNOLOGY_IN_ANCIENT_SANSKRIT_MANUSCRIPTS


ef4c3a No.507660

File: 993f2840e587747⋯.jpg (403.75 KB, 900x900, 1:1, Big Downs.jpg)

>>507508

>Why I'm not mad

>Proceeds to vomit out an uncontrolled stream of nihilistic sophistry about being a free bird flying the thermal drafts of his once proud civilisation, reduced to smouldering ashes and lies, with nary a care in the world.

>Don't lie to me boy

So you found a few Auslanders, how does that in any way relate to the general acceptance of mass immigration; which I'll remind you was the whole point, as well as the entirety of the part you quoted?

You have the historical understanding of a Schwarze, the misplaced pride of a Turk. You whinge like a German, yet you clutch straws like a Jew. What a wonderfully quizzical being you are.

>The only criticism I ever found was the zwarte piet joke on Christmas that people complained about for being racist.

“People”, you mean other Zwarte Pieten? So the local equivalent of Jesse “Most blacks will argue that they excel because of hard work, because of intellect, determination, sweat, blood, tears and risk.” Jackson comes barging in every year to complain about an age old tradition that doesn't in any way involve their cotton pickin' arses, so attention-whoring race-baiters can try to make a lacklustre run for office on the backs of Srenang's suffering and misplaced outrage, rather than try to make structural changes for their voting block or – dare I say – address some of the systemic issues present in their communities.

You really got me there.

>The reaction I observed was "well, shit happens".

A reaction as foreign to you as most of your neighbours, I am sure.

Look, I said it before and I'll say it again: Anecdotes are a wild fucking ride. And it goes both ways. But keep pretending the cotton candy machine goes one way, as if we don't receive your Talmudvision channels.

>A single comedian/critic of Islam does not define a whole nations attitude towards a real or perceived problem. Nor do these cases you name apply to all migrants.

Oh, good, we're back to #NotAll again. As for a single comedian, would it then add weight if I kept on going? The list is not insubstantial. More to the point it is indicative of the Zeitgeist (Does this get your dick hard?), and the nations acceptance and willingness to entertain some fairly radical notions. Further still many of his appearances are on state run television, including a rather memorable 'interview' with the “Girls of Hallal”, in which he proceeded to Allahu Akbar all over their pitiful excuse of a spotlight.

>I wonder what is so complicated in applying regular jurisdiction to migrants just as we do to indigenous people.

Yeah, you and me both buddy. If only…

>>507651

>>507659

>I'm out.

IT KEEPS HAPPENING

I TOLD YOU MAN I TOLD YOU ABOUT GRACEFUL EXITS


ecd262 No.507665

File: cf3c6183292ebd8⋯.png (34.32 KB, 853x665, 853:665, 1469043429876-0.png)

File: e9d8d4686c6dd70⋯.jpg (10.87 KB, 240x240, 1:1, 0a548862bec1f2b327ea3a751d….jpg)

>>507651

>You have no qualification for linguistic or geological work

So, how do my inability to read sanskrit or being able to differentiate ignious from non ignious minerals come into this?

>laser absorbent lead-iron alloys, non-hygroscopic IR transparent glass and various heat resistant alloys for airplanes created in the lab by using the exact formulae given in the text

[citation needed]

>If you know better, feel free to conduct a scientific study of the matter and write a paper on it. Publish it and we can debate your findings. Until then, fuck off.

I don't have to, gravity is a pretty well understood force and it's pretty easy to calculate how much strength it has based on distance to gravity producing bodies, the fact that the moon can move water while the galaxy core can not really tells you all you need to know if you're unwilling to read the wiki page.

>if any of the used sizes works we have a relevant result

No it's not, we're talking about a range that doubles the minimum, where the article claims the result is almost exactly the real speed of light.

>muh wiki is not the correct measurement of my poo-meters

Yet you don't even bother giving me another source, here's one from Quora, which you consider to be more legit then wiki appearantly.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-a-yojana-measures

>Another lie, you said yourself there are various sizes in historic use

That is for the Yojana, not the Kos, for whatever reason the value of the Kos has remained constant, paki logic.

>You don't know a single Indian scientist, nor are you one yourself.

True, but I just managed to establish clearly that the 2 indian scientists you presented to me are full of shit.

>I'm out.

And I'm an annunaki hierarch of the seventh sphere.


ecd262 No.507671

File: 16b42fe1602e7e0⋯.jpg (10.58 KB, 258x195, 86:65, index.jpg)

File: 36a7a0cacbafc79⋯.jpg (107.18 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 952ed1dad99e17374498279a6b….jpg)

>>507659

>You are a fucking joke and disgrace to the human race.

Perhaps I am, but your link is shit, literally no link to the actual text there, but at least I know how many pages it has and it's metadata.

Your Scribd link at least gives me a document, presumably about ayyycient poocrafts, however the preface already says this was written by some paki in the early 20th century and current versions date from the late 20th century.

Did you actually read this thing yourself or are you just madly googling for anything to try to make your point?

On to, hopefully the last leg of our journey, the acamedia.edu text.

Again, this is based on a writing from 1991, because the original text (the same used in your previous link) even the fucking text itself states that this was gained via yogic meditation or other forms of communing with gods.

So as fancy as any of these alchemical products might be, for all we know this was all written in 1991.

I could read further into the article, but you seem to have ragequit the thread, so there's little point in further proving it a forgery.

You know, this is what I find most amusing of all, you scream and bitch and moan about how noones being scientific, then someone comes along and proves how your sources don't adhere to scientific standards and you leave in a huff.


313bd1 No.507674

>>507616

But 81 posts worth? Gone is the spergkraut, here is the turkkraut. Same amount of autism and disregard for what the thread is about, but opposite political beliefs


4c8b3b No.507676

>>507674

Remember to thank the Philippines

for bringing up the race mixin'


313bd1 No.507679

>>507676

The question seemed innocent enough, I doubt the ladyboy had any idea what he had just done until it was already too late


e75e29 No.507685

>>507674

It was the same spergkraut the entire time (ID: abe2a8)

>>507676

I don't think ladyboys had anything to do with it. Spergkraut was post #3.


4c8b3b No.507691

File: 36d02a12aee470b⋯.jpg (43.16 KB, 580x466, 290:233, not my fucking buisness.jpg)

>>507685

He was on-topic before the thread started derailing into race war,demographic djihad, ancient aliens and Gilgamesh's star-fighter.


ef4c3a No.507707

File: 3e48a3be2fa55f0⋯.jpg (635.07 KB, 1100x1400, 11:14, Remember the 100 Gorillion….jpg)

File: d58f505330e6099⋯.jpg (598.43 KB, 1300x835, 260:167, ANCILIA AD NASEVM.jpg)

File: b54766d10c62d5c⋯.jpg (900.65 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, scientific facts.jpg)

I'm just going to leave this here.


d84872 No.507713

File: f58f276701f27f7⋯.jpg (23.04 KB, 255x230, 51:46, The laughter must flow.jpg)

>>507707

These are positively great. It's a pity that it's a bit hard to use them without context though.


ecd262 No.507718

File: d27ff3e4443c5b7⋯.jpg (51.26 KB, 640x480, 4:3, wnlx40zaqgck_std640.jpg)

>>507707

May we never forget the 2202 gorillion annunaki that died in the hyperwar.


d7e839 No.507725

>>507685

See that is where i disagree. Real fake german would have been screaming about Americans and invisible libertarians the entire time while acting like a crude caricature of a /pol/ack, while this turkkraut did almost the opposite.

Is he a sperg? Most definitely

Is he a kraut? Debatably

Is he the real spergkraut? Probably not, unless Merkel's stasi detained and reeducated him.

>>507713

Save them in a textfile with explanation as to the context so in 5 years when we are all still here shitposting you can prove you are ebin /k/ oldfag


ecd262 No.507811

File: dc36c3ef040d0a8⋯.jpg (29.03 KB, 473x468, 473:468, I don't associate myself w….jpg)

>>507725

Textfile is gonna be one hell of a mess to format, big ass compilation jpg with relevant posts or just a straight up archive might be a better idea.

Feel kind of proud of him actually fucking off though (or at least for about half a day) after constantly threatening to do so because people wheren't taking him seriously, perhaps these hardships have taught him the meaning of resolve.


15ed15 No.508062

>>507549

>Do I have to remind you what white settlers and Christian missionaries did all over the world, especially in the very nation you live in right now?

No man, I know we ended slavery.

>What was the death toll to be estimated again?

Bwahaha, the muslim-loving communist German wants to compare body counts.

Go ahead, look up how many Africans died from the Muslim slave trade. Next, look up how many died from communism. And oh, just for funzies, look up what happened to your beloved India after the camel jockies invaded.


c6a4af No.508118

>>505899

>Young adults buy stylish and expensive clothing, that's simply vanity and pretty normal…

Its not just the young ones, its all of them. The /pol/ stereotype of the dumb nigger that wastes all his money on stupid shit is reality with the muslim rapefugees that come to Europe.

>People who get here to apply for a VISA, so they entered illegally and want permission to stay, are screened medically, psychologically and probably ideologically/criminally as well. >Hundreds of them are stuffed into sports halls at a time and the process is very tedious and slow.

That was the situation in 2015, since then the government spent literally hundred of millions to build houses and living containers for them.

The house usually become the crime center of the region they are build in. One living container costs around 7 million to build and is good for only 2 years of muslim occupation, after that they are destroyed and in a state that is deemed hazardous to human health by the authorities.

>During that time they are limited in their movement (practically due to housing situation and legally as well IIRC, having to report to some place regularly, similar to sex offenders) and…

Legally they are limited to the state they applied for Asyl in, but in reality nobody is controlling their movement in Germany and if somebody tried to do it, he could be sued for false imprisonment, because them breaking this restriction is not considered an offense that would allow for imprisonment.

>…and they get paid LESS than Hartz4/AlG II (welfare money). I think it was 230€ a month or something, but you can easily find the exact numbers online.

They get free housing, free food(3 meals a day for every family member), free hygiene and cleaning articles and free clothes from the government and NGOs, so of course they get less money as somebody who gets ALG2, because that person would have to pay for all that shit.

>Even for regular welfare they crawl up your ass…

Yes they do it for regular welfare, but not for immigrant welfare.

> If there is one thing I can assure you it is the fact that our government does NOT hand out money for free.

As somebody who has worked in a rapefugee camp, I can assure everyone who reads this that this does indeed happen.


8f4b7f No.509199

>>505915

>German flag

>loves Islam and shits on Christianity.

Hello, Hassan. Gtfo Deutschland, you disgusting Turkish invader.


e8b80d No.509300

File: 6b1aed918500241⋯.gif (1.95 MB, 480x320, 3:2, 1491102514048.gif)

>>506372

didnt this start as a thread about cold war Germany. the fuck


623544 No.509329

File: 64899b3ea652dbb⋯.jpg (277.11 KB, 894x1035, 298:345, putsch when.jpg)

>>509300

Nukes were dropped on the wrong country.


ecd262 No.509687

File: 9e2fbf2ccfa3ebe⋯.jpg (17.25 KB, 446x330, 223:165, 02b640fd0dfdec612b449900b1….jpg)

>>509329

The ayycient turkroach at the center of this thread was forced into Germany by the occupying US though.

At this point, yeah sure it deserves a nuke, but so does England, the US and Israel for their part in it.


a6463c No.509689

>>506372

>They just happen to have the wrong color of skin

That's all that matter, mehmet.


106109 No.509690

>>509689

Greeks are just Turks with better history at this point


a6463c No.509692

>>506431

This.

>>506403

The data you requested had been published but somehow (((wikipedia))) always fails to mention them and even if they did your

I will try to find a relvant infographic in my folder for you

>they never use quantitative data comparatively

demonstrates your ignorance over systematics since a taxon's grade is pretty arbitrary and for example a mammal family and an insect family do not represent similar levels of genetic distance within their ranks.


a6463c No.509693

>>509690

Why else would you think we are the shithole we are today, mustafa? still 6 times more pattents and literature per capita than turkroaches not to mention almost twice per capita GDP even in debts




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